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Title: Thoughts - Week Hello Chizik, My Old Friend?
Post by: Townhallsavoy on November 16, 2014, 12:10:50 AM
Auburn

- What the fuck was that?  Jesus Christ.  That was 2012-level suckage. 

- How the hell did we open the game with a commanding, dominating drive for a touchdown and then not do jackshit the rest of the game? 

- I don't think it was Gus's play calling.  We had some serious drops on drives that were going well.  You know, until the drops.  That happen all the fucking time with this team.

- This team also does a really good job of finding ways to shoot itself in the foot.  Usually twice.  Miss State was two fumbles.  Texas A&M was two quick touchdowns given up.  Georgia it was forcing two punts (hey the defense is improving!) that somehow both led to Georgia first downs that went on to be touchdowns.

- I think Gus freaked out a little bit once Georgia went up 17-7.  That's on him.  I think we could have and should have gotten another score in the 1st half.  17-14.  But we didn't call the typical plays.  Maybe we couldn't have.

- Maybe we couldn't do anything because the defense was soft, putty pudding fat slow dumbfuck slothlike apathetic maggot self-entitled hallelujah, holy shit, where's the tylenol.

- That defensive performance was 2012 bad.  WORSE.  2012 had nothing to play for.  THIS TEAM WAS STILL IN CONTENTION FOR THE FUCKING SEC WEST!  ALABAMA BEAT MISS STATE!!  And how does the team respond?  By getting bulldozed by a Georgia team that was bulldozed by a Florida team that had a lameduck coach?  I can't get my head around this.

- And it scares me.  Because this team regressed.  Not just a little.  Not some regression.  Like may need to play its starters until the 4th quarter in order to beat Samford type of regression.  Like 42-6 against Alabama won't surprise me regression.  Like hopefully we get Virginia in the Shreveport Bowl so we can maybe win regression. 

- That's on Malzahn.  This season is purely on Malzahn.  Not questioning his future or anything like that.  Well, maybe I am if I feel the need to add that qualification.  But this is bad news tonight. 

- But on the other hand, what the hell else could he do?  Maybe we were lucky to have the success we've had considering...

- We're starting a shit wide receiver at corner and a running back at safety.  Our one good safety, a senior leader of the team, took a swing at a coach and was suspended for half the season.  Our other starting corner that actual is a corner is maybe 5'7 though he's listed as 5'9.  Our STAR nearly missed games for a suspension and he's not exactly a great cover guy as he's more of a small linebacker than a DB.  Our future 1st round draft pick defensive end blew his knee out.  And finally in 2011 and 2012 we only signed six defensive linemen total, a few of which are no longer on the team, and none of which were four star or higher defensive ends. 

- We have no talent on defense.  Can it get better?

- We've recruited more defensive linemen the past two classes than the previous three combined.  Some are getting playing time.  We still need more playmakers.  Can we sell playing time?  Can we sell Ellis Johnson? 

- Unfortunately, this current class doesn't have much for defensive linemen.  Maybe because we recruited so many before.

College Football

- I'm sick of this era of college football.  Did anyone think Alabama wouldn't win today?  They were 10 point favorites over the #1 team in the country.  It's a fucking rerun.  Has been since 2008.  That's seven years where you pretty much knew going into a game that Alabama would win and were only pleasantly surprised to see them lose. 

- I've watched dynasties fall.  USC?  Fell.  Took six seasons in the Pac 10 pre-Oregon.  Florida?  Fell.  Took four seasons.  Miami?  Three seasons.  Alabama?  Seven and counting?  After losing so many key players from last year's team?  After hiring Lane Kiffin?  After the numerous should-be-scandals that have hit the news and then been swept under the rug? 

- Maybe I'm sick of college football.  But I'm not.  I love watching it.  Even if the teams I'm rooting for lose.  I still enjoy what goes on in college football.

- But I am really sick of Tuscaloosa always winning.  Call it a melt.  I want to be done with it.  Auburn like 99% of the schools in the country can't have a dominant team every year. It's just not going to happen.  But right now, one slip up of a season means ass kicking in the Iron Bowl because somehow Alabama happens to field NFL Minor League All Stars every fucking year. 

Title: Re: Thoughts - Week Hello Chizik, My Old Friend?
Post by: chinook on November 16, 2014, 12:55:01 AM
Auburn

- What the fudge was that?  Jesus Christ.  That was 2012-level suckage. 

- How the hell did we open the game with a commanding, dominating drive for a touchdown and then not do jackshoot the rest of the game? 

- I don't think it was Gus's play calling.  We had some serious drops on drives that were going well.  You know, until the drops.  That happen all the fudgeing time with this team.

- This team also does a really good job of finding ways to shoot itself in the foot.  Usually twice.  Miss State was two fumbles.  Texas A&M was two quick touchdowns given up.  Georgia it was forcing two punts (hey the defense is improving!) that somehow both led to Georgia first downs that went on to be touchdowns.

- I think Gus freaked out a little bit once Georgia went up 17-7.  That's on him.  I think we could have and should have gotten another score in the 1st half.  17-14.  But we didn't call the typical plays.  Maybe we couldn't have.

- Maybe we couldn't do anything because the defense was soft, putty pudding fat slow dumbfudge slothlike apathetic maggot self-entitled hallelujah, holy shoot, where's the tylenol.

- That defensive performance was 2012 bad.  WORSE.  2012 had nothing to play for.  THIS TEAM WAS STILL IN CONTENTION FOR THE fudgeING SEC WEST!  ALABAMA BEAT MISS STATE!!  And how does the team respond?  By getting bulldozed by a Georgia team that was bulldozed by a Florida team that had a lameduck coach?  I can't get my head around this.

- And it scares me.  Because this team regressed.  Not just a little.  Not some regression.  Like may need to play its starters until the 4th quarter in order to beat Samford type of regression.  Like 42-6 against Alabama won't surprise me regression.  Like hopefully we get Virginia in the Shreveport Bowl so we can maybe win regression. 

- That's on Malzahn.  This season is purely on Malzahn.  Not questioning his future or anything like that.  Well, maybe I am if I feel the need to add that qualification.  But this is bad news tonight. 

- But on the other hand, what the hell else could he do?  Maybe we were lucky to have the success we've had considering...

- We're starting a shoot wide receiver at corner and a running back at safety.  Our one good safety, a senior leader of the team, took a swing at a coach and was suspended for half the season.  Our other starting corner that actual is a corner is maybe 5'7 though he's listed as 5'9.  Our STAR nearly missed games for a suspension and he's not exactly a great cover guy as he's more of a small linebacker than a DB.  Our future 1st round draft pick defensive end blew his knee out.  And finally in 2011 and 2012 we only signed six defensive linemen total, a few of which are no longer on the team, and none of which were four star or higher defensive ends. 

- We have no talent on defense.  Can it get better?

- We've recruited more defensive linemen the past two classes than the previous three combined.  Some are getting playing time.  We still need more playmakers.  Can we sell playing time?  Can we sell Ellis Johnson? 

- Unfortunately, this current class doesn't have much for defensive linemen.  Maybe because we recruited so many before.

College Football

- I'm sick of this era of college football.  Did anyone think Alabama wouldn't win today?  They were 10 point favorites over the #1 team in the country.  It's a fudgeing rerun.  Has been since 2008.  That's seven years where you pretty much knew going into a game that Alabama would win and were only pleasantly surprised to see them lose. 

- I've watched dynasties fall.  USC?  Fell.  Took six seasons in the Pac 10 pre-Oregon.  Florida?  Fell.  Took four seasons.  Miami?  Three seasons.  Alabama?  Seven and counting?  After losing so many key players from last year's team?  After hiring Lane Kiffin?  After the numerous should-be-scandals that have hit the news and then been swept under the rug? 

- Maybe I'm sick of college football.  But I'm not.  I love watching it.  Even if the teams I'm rooting for lose.  I still enjoy what goes on in college football.

- But I am really sick of Tuscaloosa always winning.  Call it a melt.  I want to be done with it.  Auburn like 99% of the schools in the country can't have a dominant team every year. It's just not going to happen.  But right now, one slip up of a season means ass kicking in the Iron Bowl because somehow Alabama happens to field NFL Minor League All Stars every fudgeing year.

Wow.  You need a date with Trashy Trina.
Title: Re: Thoughts - Week Hello Chizik, My Old Friend?
Post by: AUChizad on November 16, 2014, 02:00:46 AM
Wow.  You need a date with Trashy Trina.
Go to AUNation with that shit if you think he's off base at all...
Title: Re: Thoughts - Week Hello Chizik, My Old Friend?
Post by: The Prowler on November 16, 2014, 02:33:09 AM
I'm at a loss for words. I felt going in to the UGA game that Auburn's defense could stifle the run game of Georgia's enough for Auburn's offense to get a jump...therefore causing Georgia to have to pass to catch up. Things were going somewhat as planned.
Score first? Check
Stop them on their two drives? Check
Wheels fall off after a fumbled Punt Return? Check
Look like frozen shit the rest of the game on Offense and Defense? Check
Get our shit pushed in by a Georgia team that was playing in it's first home game in7 weeks? Check.
Title: Re: Thoughts - Week Hello Chizik, My Old Friend?
Post by: jmar on November 16, 2014, 06:07:08 AM
Don't have much to say except we had a lot to play for last night and shit the bed again. We were not ready to play but somehow looking back this "keep it close, win it at the end" mentality has softened this team.
Auburn is supposed to intimidate opponents but this team doesn't scare anyone.

We haven't reverted back to last season's first half performance against LSU but we are dangerously close with what appears to be an uninspired team and a coaching staff left scratching their asses.
We dunno!
If we are leaning on past successes get ready for more humiliation.

WE DIDN"T LACK TALENT LAST SEASON!
What has changed?






   
Title: Re: Thoughts - Week Hello Chizik, My Old Friend?
Post by: Kaos on November 16, 2014, 06:32:25 AM
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Yeah, we all knew Alabama was going to win.  But it doesn't help when a caveman fumbles and the review booth says "oh, touchdown." 
Title: Re: Thoughts - Week Hello Chizik, My Old Friend?
Post by: GH2001 on November 16, 2014, 08:25:16 AM
Go to AUNation with that shit if you think he's off base at all...

I'm with you here. Consider me with pitchfork now.

But I do disagree with THS on Gus' play calling. You have to be blind to not see that it was conservative/vanilla. At some times it was downright awful. Gus even admitted it was. And then in the second half, did nothing about it. He bewilders me at times. I think he is a good coach that cannot quit falling down in fear of his own shadow. He's his own worst enemy sometimes. Thats my first issue though....

The second - the overall lack of any focus, fundamentals or discipline from this entire team. As much as we want to blame the D (which is a huge issue), I think it is a symptom of a bigger issue with this team. The D played well ENOUGH to win last night. I don't think giving up 34 points to Ga's potent O is a surprise to anyone. 9 out of 10 times under the Gus we all came to know, that was good enough to win. My big issue is: Dumb mistakes, stupid penalties (PI, PF, Holds), freak screwups (Dismukes last week), etc etc fucking etc. These are things that happen to most teams from time to time maybe once or twice 3-4 games. They happen to us every fucking game and more than once per game. Muffed punts, fumbles, numerous personal fouls, falling for trick plays, major communication breakdowns, roughing punters and QBs - it goes on and on. All self inflicted things that should be the exception not the norm. For us its the norm, and sorry to say that starts with the head guy. Its why he gets paid millions. This is 2012 level fucking up. We've regressed. This is not what I expect from Gus. Chizik maybe but not this guy. This is team culture here. Team discipline. And its lacking, and getting worse.

I hope I am wrong but I fear there are bigger things at play here on our team than just a bad D and some bad luck. We've regressed. And were getting worse. The bleeding is not stopping. This isn't good. No way to sugarcoat it.
Title: Re: Thoughts - Week Hello Chizik, My Old Friend?
Post by: jmar on November 16, 2014, 09:04:02 AM
Our performance only validates what all of the Auburn detractors have been saying.
Title: Re: Thoughts - Week Hello Chizik, My Old Friend?
Post by: Townhallsavoy on November 16, 2014, 09:04:32 AM
Our performance only validates what all of the Auburn detractors have been saying.

And what's that?
Title: Re: Thoughts - Week Hello Chizik, My Old Friend?
Post by: GH2001 on November 16, 2014, 09:15:20 AM
Our performance only validates what all of the Auburn detractors have been saying.

No...it doesn't at all asshole. Quit being fucking self righteous Uncle Rico. You and dallas have done nothing but hark from your sofas about Ellis Johnson. 7 points last night...7 points!!!! We have bigger team issues than Ellis Johnson. If we had lost 48-45 last night I would agree with you. We could have had a Bama D last night and still lost. Our coach looked lost. This team has major fundamental foundation issues, and our D is just a piece of that. See the big picture numb nuts.
Title: Re: Thoughts - Week Hello Chizik, My Old Friend?
Post by: RWS on November 16, 2014, 09:17:09 AM
Yeah, we all knew Alabama was going to win.  But it doesn't help when a caveman fumbles and the review booth says "oh, touchdown."
The ball was a foot inside the end zone before it was knocked loose.  Christ, you could see the red paint of the end zone between his arm and the plane of the goal line before it came out. It's no different than reaching the ball out and it crossing the plane before someone knocks it out. 
Title: Re: Thoughts - Week Hello Chizik, My Old Friend?
Post by: bottomfeeder on November 16, 2014, 09:33:28 AM
The ball was a foot inside the end zone before it was knocked loose.  Christ, you could see the red paint of the end zone between his arm and the plane of the goal line before it came out. It's no different than reaching the ball out and it crossing the plane before someone knocks it out.

I concur.
Title: Re: Thoughts - Week Hello Chizik, My Old Friend?
Post by: jmar on November 16, 2014, 09:49:05 AM
And what's that?
It's more about perception; from talking heads to average fans of college football regarding how this staff and team managed to make the CG last season with a smoke and mirrors, gimmicky high school offense and just enough defense to get by on through sheer luck. Defenses will catch up to that and figure it out.

GH thought me too harsh last week, too critical?
Title: Re: Thoughts - Week Hello Chizik, My Old Friend?
Post by: Townhallsavoy on November 16, 2014, 09:51:50 AM
It's more about perception; from talking heads to average fans of college football regarding how this staff and team managed to make the CG last season with a smoke and mirrors, gimmicky high school offense and just enough defense to get by on through sheer luck. Defenses will catch up to that and figure it out.


They'd have that perception anyway if we were winning 42-zip every week. 

College football is full of passion and anger, and most of the commentators in the world did not go to Auburn.  Unfortunately many of them either went to Alabama or grew up in a time when Bear Bryant ruled the world. 

Gus has four seasons at Auburn now (2009, 2010 OC) where his offense has had plenty of success.  The offense sucked last night.  It's the first time I would say his offense has sucked in any of those four seasons. Not good enough to win?  Occasionally.  Absolutely sucked?  Just last night. 
Title: Re: Thoughts - Week Hello Chizik, My Old Friend?
Post by: jmar on November 16, 2014, 09:59:24 AM
They'd have that perception anyway if we were winning 42-zip every week. 

College football is full of passion and anger, and most of the commentators in the world did not go to Auburn.  Unfortunately many of them either went to Alabama or grew up in a time when Bear Bryant ruled the world. 

Gus has four seasons at Auburn now (2009, 2010 OC) where his offense has had plenty of success.  The offense sucked last night.  It's the first time I would say his offense has sucked in any of those four seasons. Not good enough to win?  Occasionally.  Absolutely sucked?  Just last night.
And the defense?
Title: Re: Thoughts - Week Hello Chizik, My Old Friend?
Post by: WiregrassTiger on November 16, 2014, 10:35:23 AM
Gotta get this off my chest. We are the USC of the west division, except sc hasn't been manhandled like that since earlier in season.

We got worse while every other team in the west hit better or at least was able to tread water.

Not a single team in the west I think we can beat right now, based on past 2 games.

I don't know why we look like shit but typically its a domino effect. "Lawson makes a huge difference", I hear. Ok, so we lose only 31-7 with him?

I'm putting it on Gus too. He's ultimately responsible. We sucked penis in all facets last night.

I would definitely either fire Johnson or let him know Iron Bowl is like an interview. And he and Lashley had a piss poor performance too. Try the 2 qb system coach. It's obvious it can't hurt.

If Pruitt did us like that, Smart and Saban will snap our neck off.
Title: Re: Thoughts - Week Hello Chizik, My Old Friend?
Post by: Yoda on November 16, 2014, 10:38:04 AM
Gus's offense has been vanilla all year.  My opinion, he has done a hell of a job this year with the offense.  To an extent he is making chicken salad from chicken shit.  We have talent on offense but there are some obvious deficiencies as well.  We lost our best o-lineman before the year started.  Love the Coleman story but his last two games he has been beat down pretty constantly.  We have 2 great WR's. One is hurt and the other makes some big plays but also consistently has at least 2 big drops a game.  Gus's biggest mistake is being to loyal to the QB that took us to the dance last year.  We are a one dimensional offense again even though Marshall is an improved passer.  We are still not a consistently productive passing team.  Either Marshall still overthrows the ball or receivers drop perfect ones.  Gus leans on the run way too much because of this.  Anyone else notice that when we go fast all we do is run the same play again?

Defense no clue what the deal is. The one thing they have done pretty well all season is stop the run. That is until last night. I'm blaming recruiting. We have seen our 2 linebackers start for 3 years now along with a number of our secondary.  Why do we not have backups by now that are good enough to play also?  We should be 4-5 deep at linebacker but we have 2.

To jump ship now is just dumb.  If you didn't realize after the Kstate game that we were going to lose some games this year you had your colored glasses on.  However I did not see losing to a crappy ATM nor getting thumped by UGA



Title: Re: Thoughts - Week Hello Chizik, My Old Friend?
Post by: jmar on November 16, 2014, 10:45:47 AM
You will get no argument from me about the effort from our backs. We had several overthrows and drops for sure. I've pointed out the passive nature of our offensive line but Auburn experts themselves attribute that to zone blocking.
Malzahn and Lashee appeared to have lost touch last night but the defense is consistently disappointing. But the culture? FSU and Miami fought tooth and nail last night. It mattered to them!
I don't want Auburn to play that brand of football but I do expect to see our team to show up and perform when so much is on the line versus a major rival like UGA...and TAMU wasn't enough of a wake up call?
Title: Re: Thoughts - Week Hello Chizik, My Old Friend?
Post by: WiregrassTiger on November 16, 2014, 10:51:57 AM
Gus's offense has been vanilla all year.  My opinion, he has done a hell of a job this year with the offense.  To an extent he is making chicken salad from chicken shoot.  We have talent on offense but there are some obvious deficiencies as well.  We lost our best o-lineman before the year started.  Love the Coleman story but his last two games he has been beat down pretty constantly.  We have 2 great WR's. One is hurt and the other makes some big plays but also consistently has at least 2 big drops a game.  Gus's biggest mistake is being to loyal to the QB that took us to the dance last year.  We are a one dimensional offense again even though Marshall is an improved passer.  We are still not a consistently productive passing team.  Either Marshall still overthrows the ball or receivers drop perfect ones.  Gus leans on the run way too much because of this.  Anyone else notice that when we go fast all we do is run the same play again?

Defense no clue what the deal is. The one thing they have done pretty well all season is stop the run. That is until last night. I'm blaming recruiting. We have seen our 2 linebackers start for 3 years now along with a number of our secondary.  Why do we not have backups by now that are good enough to play also?  We should be 4-5 deep at linebacker but we have 2.

To jump ship now is just dumb.  If you didn't realize after the Kstate game that we were going to lose some games this year you had your colored glasses on.  However I did not see losing to a crappy ATM nor getting thumped by UGA
I don't know about the chicken salad out of chicken shit on offense. We have elite talent on offense. Players most teams would love to have. Injuries, sure but that's everywhere. Last night was the only glaring underperforming game on offense in my eyes. But I can't agree that Gus hasn't had the players.
Title: Re: Thoughts - Week Hello Chizik, My Old Friend?
Post by: Yoda on November 16, 2014, 11:12:18 AM
I don't know about the chicken salad out of chicken shit on offense. We have elite talent on offense. Players most teams would love to have. Injuries, sure but that's everywhere. Last night was the only glaring underperforming game on offense in my eyes. But I can't agree that Gus hasn't had the players.

I agree that we do have talent, poor choice of words on my part.  Point I was trying to make is that Gus is trying to hide our weaknesses.  Our o-line is not as strong as it was last year. Also while we have talent at the receiver position not one of them is reliable to make the play when needed.

I don't know that JJ is the better choice at QB, but I think our offense will be completely different when he gets the job.  We have played a game or two where we would have been better off with a more pass happy game plan, and have been in situations where we needed to come from behind.  Malzahn has stuck with his guy from day one and that is not Marshall's strength.  I don't know if that is at the fault of Malzahn being loyal or a testament that Johnson is not ready.
Title: Re: Thoughts - Week Hello Chizik, My Old Friend?
Post by: Come Honor Face on November 16, 2014, 11:19:43 AM
We should just go back to one and done QBs for now on. The whole thought process of Marshall being better in year two was pretty bust. I don't doubt Malzahn can improve a QB, but i think it needs to be a legit QB. Still hungover
Title: Re: Thoughts - Week Hello Chizik, My Old Friend?
Post by: WiregrassTiger on November 16, 2014, 11:23:31 AM
I agree that we do have talent, poor choice of words on my part.  Point I was trying to make is that Gus is trying to hide our weaknesses.  Our o-line is not as strong as it was last year. Also while we have talent at the receiver position not one of them is reliable to make the play when needed.

I don't know that JJ is the better choice at QB, but I think our offense will be completely different when he gets the job.  We have played a game or two where we would have been better off with a more pass happy game plan, and have been in situations where we needed to come from behind.  Malzahn has stuck with his guy from day one and that is not Marshall's strength.  I don't know if that is at the fault of Malzahn being loyal or a testament that Johnson is not ready.
Agree. And Marshall def can't consistently make all of the throws a lot of SEC qb's can--back shoulder stuff and short routes over the middle-- but it seems like Sammy drops 2 a game that are between the numbers. WTF? He's been disappointing this year.

I guess Gus just doesn't believe in two QB's but I truly believe that was and is our best shot this season. Although it would've been nice to have practiced it all year.
Title: Re: Thoughts - Week Hello Chizik, My Old Friend?
Post by: jmar on November 16, 2014, 11:24:01 AM
I don't know about the chicken salad out of chicken shit on offense. We have elite talent on offense. Players most teams would love to have. Injuries, sure but that's everywhere. Last night was the only glaring underperforming game on offense in my eyes. But I can't agree that Gus hasn't had the players.
Don't know if the problem is Obama, the polar vortex, Jeremy Foley, Kristy Malzahn or that embarrassing dance video that is distracting Gus. All I know is that it needs to be fixed...toot sweet!
Samford is gearing up for a showdown at JHSPDF.
Title: Re: Thoughts - Week Hello Chizik, My Old Friend?
Post by: chinook on November 16, 2014, 11:34:32 AM
Go to AUNation with that shoot if you think he's off base at all...

Ha far from it, but you shouldn't hide behind the curtains.

Title: Re: Thoughts - Week Hello Chizik, My Old Friend?
Post by: Townhallsavoy on November 16, 2014, 12:35:27 PM
Agree. And Marshall def can't consistently make all of the throws a lot of SEC qb's can--back shoulder stuff and short routes over the middle-- but it seems like Sammy drops 2 a game that are between the numbers. WTF? He's been disappointing this year.

I guess Gus just doesn't believe in two QB's but I truly believe that was and is our best shot this season. Although it would've been nice to have practiced it all year.

I think people are way too hard on Marshall.

He's not next level elite.  Well, let me take that back.  He is as a runner.  His legs owned LSU, led us to the victory against Ole MIss, and damn near completed one of the biggest comebacks in Auburn history against A&M. 

His receivers are killing him.  Way too many drops.  In a crucial drive yesterday to keep hope alive, he had two great throws to Coates and Louis.  Both dropped. 

If JJ had taken over this team at some point, are those balls caught?  Does Marshall throw the ball too hard? 

The only consistent misses from Marshall are on the deep ball.  He overthrows too many open receivers down field.  Short and intermediate passing game?  About as good as one should expect in the SEC.
Title: Re: Thoughts - Week Hello Chizik, My Old Friend?
Post by: WiregrassTiger on November 16, 2014, 12:46:14 PM
I think people are way too hard on Marshall.

He's not next level elite.  Well, let me take that back.  He is as a runner.  His legs owned LSU, led us to the victory against Ole MIss, and damn near completed one of the biggest comebacks in Auburn history against A&M. 

His receivers are killing him.  Way too many drops.  In a crucial drive yesterday to keep hope alive, he had two great throws to Coates and Louis.  Both dropped. 

If JJ had taken over this team at some point, are those balls caught?  Does Marshall throw the ball too hard? 

The only consistent misses from Marshall are on the deep ball.  He overthrows too many open receivers down field.  Short and intermediate passing game?  About as good as one should expect in the SEC.
I love Marshall. I think he's the best athlete we've ever had and the fastest Qb we've likely ever had. Cannon for an arm and improved as a passer. He's also short and doesn't have the accuracy or touch that really good passers have. He's a really effective qb but not so much in passing, which is why I would love for us to go 2 qb these last 2 games.

It's the only thing that gives us a shot at Bama, IMO.
Title: Re: Thoughts - Week Hello Chizik, My Old Friend?
Post by: Townhallsavoy on November 16, 2014, 12:49:17 PM
I love Marshall. I think he's the best athlete we've ever had and the fastest Qb we've likely ever had. Cannon for an arm and improved as a passer. He's also short and doesn't have the accuracy or touch that really good passers have. He's a really effective qb but not so much in passing, which is why I would love for us to go 2 qb these last 2 games.

It's the only thing that gives us a shot at Bama, IMO.

Ah, gotchya.

I agree from a purely strategy standpoint. 

But Marshall's done a lot for this program.  A whole lot more than most give him credit for.  I think people forget that we had one of if not the worst team in college football in 2012 and when Marshall came in at QB, we almost won the NC.  His play was one of if not the most vital component of our restoration as a power program.

With that said, how do you take playing time away from a guy that has done so much for us?  It's not like he's awful.  He's not the crutch of the team.  Benching the entire secondary and seeing if some young guys can make a play?  Yeah, I get that.  Benching Marshall to give Johnson a few more reps?  Not sure I like punishing guys that deserve a spot in Auburn lore. 
Title: Re: Thoughts - Week Hello Chizik, My Old Friend?
Post by: jmar on November 16, 2014, 01:15:22 PM
Ah, gotchya.

I agree from a purely strategy standpoint. 

But Marshall's done a lot for this program.  A whole lot more than most give him credit for.  I think people forget that we had one of if not the worst team in college football in 2012 and when Marshall came in at QB, we almost won the NC.  His play was one of if not the most vital component of our restoration as a power program.

With that said, how do you take playing time away from a guy that has done so much for us?  It's not like he's awful.  He's not the crutch of the team.  Benching the entire secondary and seeing if some young guys can make a play?  Yeah, I get that.  Benching Marshall to give Johnson a few more reps?  Not sure I like punishing guys that deserve a spot in Auburn lore.
We should have seen JJ against TAMU. But now I don't want to see him at all, not with the team playing so poorly. Sure he could gain valuable experience but I don't really see any positives beyond that. We know what he can do. Had rather him get a fresh start after this season is in the books.
Title: Re: Thoughts - Week Hello Chizik, My Old Friend?
Post by: AUChizad on November 16, 2014, 01:47:17 PM
First of all...
Gus's biggest mistake is being to loyal to the QB that took us to the dance last year.  We are a one dimensional offense again even though Marshall is an improved passer.  We are still not a consistently productive passing team.  Either Marshall still overthrows the ball or receivers drop perfect ones.  Gus leans on the run way too much because of this.  Anyone else notice that when we go fast all we do is run the same play again?
No.

There are PLENTY of places to point fingers. Nick is the absolute last. He's the only one on the team that appears to give a single fuck at this point.

Secondly,
Quote
To jump ship now is just dumb.  If you didn't realize after the Kstate game that we were going to lose some games this year you had your colored glasses on.  However I did not see losing to a crappy ATM nor getting thumped by UGA
The bold is the entire point. No one would be on the ledge right now if we took care of aTm, even if we ended up on top by a field goal, AND we didn't just get our shit turned inside out by this Georgia team that FLORIDA made a bitch out of.

A close hard-fought loss would have been a completely different animal.
Title: Re: Thoughts - Week Hello Chizik, My Old Friend?
Post by: AUChizad on November 16, 2014, 01:48:17 PM
I don't want Auburn to play that brand of football but I do expect to see our team to show up and perform when so much is on the line versus a major rival like UGA...and TAMU wasn't enough of a wake up call?
Every ounce of this.
Title: Re: Thoughts - Week Hello Chizik, My Old Friend?
Post by: AUChizad on November 16, 2014, 01:50:50 PM
Ha far from it, but you shouldn't hide behind the curtains.
What the fuck does this mean.
Title: Re: Thoughts - Week Hello Chizik, My Old Friend?
Post by: AUChizad on November 16, 2014, 01:54:13 PM
Ah, gotchya.

I agree from a purely strategy standpoint. 

But Marshall's done a lot for this program.  A whole lot more than most give him credit for.  I think people forget that we had one of if not the worst team in college football in 2012 and when Marshall came in at QB, we almost won the NC.  His play was one of if not the most vital component of our restoration as a power program.

With that said, how do you take playing time away from a guy that has done so much for us?  It's not like he's awful.  He's not the crutch of the team.  Benching the entire secondary and seeing if some young guys can make a play?  Yeah, I get that.  Benching Marshall to give Johnson a few more reps?  Not sure I like punishing guys that deserve a spot in Auburn lore.
I'm replying in this thread as I'm reading, but this is where I'm at.

No one will ever be Cam, but Nick is damn close. Crisp passer that can run it out for 10 yards if all his receivers are covered.

I don't know what some of you are seeing here to think he of all things is a problem.
Title: Re: Thoughts - Week Hello Chizik, My Old Friend?
Post by: WiregrassTiger on November 16, 2014, 02:10:52 PM
I'm replying in this thread as I'm reading, but this is where I'm at.

No one will ever be Cam, but Nick is damn close. Crisp passer that can run it out for 10 yards if all his receivers are covered.

I don't know what some of you are seeing here to think he of all things is a problem.
I haven't seen anyone say he is the problem. I do think that using he and JJ gives us the best chance to win.

Not that it matters. Prob won't happen. But if Gus doesn't make some defensive changes at the end of season, I am suspect.
Title: Re: Thoughts - Week Hello Chizik, My Old Friend?
Post by: Jumbo on November 16, 2014, 03:10:45 PM
Last night was embarrassing I think we should fire everyone and start from scratch.
Title: Re: Thoughts - Week Hello Chizik, My Old Friend?
Post by: The Six on November 16, 2014, 03:14:45 PM
http://youtu.be/v4jGSvxCRp4 (http://youtu.be/v4jGSvxCRp4)
Title: Re: Thoughts - Week Hello Chizik, My Old Friend?
Post by: djsimp on November 16, 2014, 03:43:00 PM
I agree with Jumbo in part. It was embarrassing. I don't we should fire everyone, only the defensive staff but keep T-Will. I can't wrap my head around this at all. This would have been a battle b/w a good offensive mind against a good defensive mind but our own defensive couldn't do anything but get in each others way. This was a bad loss and yes, I can't help but think of 2012.
Title: Re: Thoughts - Week Hello Chizik, My Old Friend?
Post by: Kaos on November 16, 2014, 05:09:29 PM
Ha far from it, but you shouldn't hide behind the curtains.

Dude.....

You're crossing lines.  Very, very bad form.  Not what I expect from you. 
Title: Re: Thoughts - Week Hello Chizik, My Old Friend?
Post by: djsimp on November 16, 2014, 05:34:46 PM
Dude.....

You're crossing lines.  Very, very bad form.  Not what I expect from you.

We should handle this like Sons of Anarchy.

(http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q76/omebull/1%20Sons%20of%20Anarchy/10burn2_zpsf088e13c.png)
Title: Re: Thoughts - Week Hello Chizik, My Old Friend?
Post by: Godfather on November 16, 2014, 06:18:00 PM
No one would be on the ledge right now if we took care of aTm, even if we ended up on top by a field goal, AND we didn't just get our shit turned inside out by this Georgia team that FLORIDA made a bitch out of.
You appear to be the only one I have seen on said ledge...
Title: Re: Thoughts - Week Hello Chizik, My Old Friend?
Post by: AUChizad on November 16, 2014, 06:20:00 PM
You appear to be the only one I have seen on said ledge...
How long have you been reading?

You and chinook are the only ones I see buttfucking eachother with rainbow blindfolds on.
Title: Re: Thoughts - Week Hello Chizik, My Old Friend?
Post by: Godfather on November 16, 2014, 06:22:14 PM
I agree with Jumbo in part. It was embarrassing. I don't we should fire everyone, only the defensive staff but keep T-Will. I can't wrap my head around this at all. This would have been a battle b/w a good offensive mind against a good defensive mind but our own defensive couldn't do anything but get in each others way. This was a bad loss and yes, I can't help but think of 2012.
I hope you are joking, but wow.  Even firing anyone after 2 years...2 years from being the worst team in the SEC.  Being competitive in every game but this last one.   

Wow some people need to get some perspective.  I'm just as upset and mad as everyone else btw, I think the coaching was horrible last night, as was the play of the players.  But folks calling for jobs is beyond my grasp, how short are memories are.
Title: Re: Thoughts - Week Hello Chizik, My Old Friend?
Post by: Godfather on November 16, 2014, 06:22:58 PM
How long have you been reading?

You and chinook are the only ones I see buttfucking eachother with rainbow blindfolds on.
I don't see anyone freaking out as bad as you, why don't you go cheer for bama.  You have selective reading skills.
Title: Re: Thoughts - Week Hello Chizik, My Old Friend?
Post by: AUChizad on November 16, 2014, 06:24:47 PM
I don't see anyone freaking out as bad as you, why don't you go cheer for bama.  You have selective reading skills.
You just fucking addressed someone calling for Gus's job. Please direct me to where I called for that. In fact, I'm the only one I see stating that I don't think firing Ellis will solve shit either.

And I'm one of the few defending Nick. And did so the most emphatically.

You're seeing what you want to see to be a dick for some reason, but keep tilting at windmills.
Title: Re: Thoughts - Week Hello Chizik, My Old Friend?
Post by: Godfather on November 16, 2014, 06:27:45 PM
You just fucking addressed someone calling for Gus's job. Please direct me to where I called for that. In fact, I'm the only one I see stating that I don't think firing Ellis will solve shit either.

And I'm one of the few defending Nick. And did so the most emphatically.

You're seeing what you want to see to be a dick for some reason, but keep tilting at windmills.
Because you decided to go postal on me for some fucking reason, but have at it hoss.
Title: Re: Thoughts - Week Hello Chizik, My Old Friend?
Post by: AUChizad on November 16, 2014, 06:28:42 PM
Because you decided to go postal on me for some fucking reason, but have at it hoss.
Link?
Title: Re: Thoughts - Week Hello Chizik, My Old Friend?
Post by: chinook on November 16, 2014, 06:47:25 PM
Link?

Links are for folks at aunation.
Title: Re: Thoughts - Week Hello Chizik, My Old Friend?
Post by: War Eagle!!! on November 16, 2014, 06:48:17 PM
We should just go back to one and done QBs for now on. The whole thought process of Marshall being better in year two was pretty bust. I don't doubt Malzahn can improve a QB, but i think it needs to be a legit QB. Still hungover

How people continue to have this thought process is beyond me. Marshall was about the only decent thing I saw from Auburn last night.
Title: Re: Thoughts - Week Hello Chizik, My Old Friend?
Post by: AUChizad on November 16, 2014, 06:52:11 PM
How people continue to have this thought process is beyond me. Marshall was about the only decent thing I saw from Auburn last night.
Come off the ledge, dude.
Title: Re: Thoughts - Week Hello Chizik, My Old Friend?
Post by: Yoda on November 16, 2014, 06:55:52 PM
I'm replying in this thread as I'm reading, but this is where I'm at.

No one will ever be Cam, but Nick is damn close. Crisp passer that can run it out for 10 yards if all his receivers are covered.

I don't know what some of you are seeing here to think he of all things is a problem.

No one is saying that he is the problem or that Nick does not play hard.  I also agree that he is a big part of the reason we won games last year and this year.  He does however make us pretty much a one dimensional offense.  Nick is a hell of a runner and athlete but he is not a pure passer. Does he make some great throws yes he does but he also makes some terrible ones and misses his reads.  We dont throw a lot of slants, outs or curls there is a reason.  All of our short passes are screens and we chunk a deep ball.  I'm grateful that we have Nick but to think we are a dominant team either last year or this year is absurd.  We have a great offense and a less than average defense.  We have a team that can win against anybody but can also lose against anybody.


Title: Re: Thoughts - Week Hello Chizik, My Old Friend?
Post by: chinook on November 16, 2014, 07:01:37 PM
Come off the ledge, dude.

I think he's just watching you free fall. 
Title: Re: Thoughts - Week Hello Chizik, My Old Friend?
Post by: Godfather on November 16, 2014, 07:13:38 PM
In think he's just watching you free fall.
He should use my GoPro
Title: Re: Thoughts - Week Hello Chizik, My Old Friend?
Post by: Buzz Killington on November 16, 2014, 07:28:33 PM
How people continue to have this thought process is beyond me. Marshall was about the only decent thing I saw from Auburn last night.

Well, the ball boy was spot on all night.
Title: Re: Thoughts - Week Hello Chizik, My Old Friend?
Post by: Townhallsavoy on November 16, 2014, 07:29:19 PM
Well, the ball boy was spot on all night.

We didn't miss any extra points!
Title: Re: Thoughts - Week Hello Chizik, My Old Friend?
Post by: jmar on November 16, 2014, 07:49:37 PM
MY TWO CENTS

I'm angry at how badly we have regressed and see no reason for change yet once a team takes a severe downturn a coordinator is the likely sacrifice. 
Auburn was openly ridiculed by many for wanting to fire Chizik though it was absolutely necessary.
Malzahn's job is safe and should be for helping rescue the program from years of certain mediocrity.
IMO we can do no better than Gus however it's very possible that he might not be able to sustain success, not like we want or expect.

Our strategy is to keep it close enough to win any game in the end where we should adopt a killers instinct and do our best to put teams away. And to me this is at the very core of the problem. How can a team be properly prepared to play it's best when the head coach is okay with getting by?


NICK

There is no equal to what we had with Cam Newton.
Nick Marshall is one helluva QB in this system which is run heavy. When we are having our way with the ground game he throws about 20 passes. When the defense falters badly he might have to double that many attempts. He's a terrific runner, very good at escaping and free-lancing and throws the passes he is asked to throw well enough. Very happy to have had his calm leadership as well.



     
Title: Re: Thoughts - Week Hello Chizik, My Old Friend?
Post by: War Eagle!!! on November 16, 2014, 08:22:06 PM
Come off the ledge, dude.

Ok. As to not try and misinterpret what you are saying...what exactly does that mean?

I am on the ledge because I thought Marshall played decent? I'm confused...
Title: Re: Thoughts - Week Hello Chizik, My Old Friend?
Post by: AUChizad on November 16, 2014, 08:28:32 PM
Ok. As to not try and misinterpret what you are saying...what exactly does that mean?

I am on the ledge because I thought Marshall played decent? I'm confused...
:facepalm:

I said exactly the same thing. And it was probably the most down on the team thing that I said in this thread.

And I was told I'm jumping off the ledge, am a bammer, and went postal.

For saying:
I'm replying in this thread as I'm reading, but this is where I'm at.

No one will ever be Cam, but Nick is damn close. Crisp passer that can run it out for 10 yards if all his receivers are covered.

I don't know what some of you are seeing here to think he of all things is a problem.

And

First of all...No.

There are PLENTY of places to point fingers. Nick is the absolute last. He's the only one on the team that appears to give a single fuck at this point.
Title: Re: Thoughts - Week Hello Chizik, My Old Friend?
Post by: War Eagle!!! on November 16, 2014, 08:51:29 PM
:facepalm:

I said exactly the same thing. And it was probably the most down on the team thing that I said in this thread.

And I was told I'm jumping off the ledge, am a bammer, and went postal.

For saying:
And

That's why I asked...
Title: Re: Thoughts - Week Hello Chizik, My Old Friend?
Post by: WiregrassTiger on November 16, 2014, 08:56:21 PM
No one is saying that he is the problem or that Nick does not play hard.  I also agree that he is a big part of the reason we won games last year and this year.  He does however make us pretty much a one dimensional offense.  Nick is a hell of a runner and athlete but he is not a pure passer. Does he make some great throws yes he does but he also makes some terrible ones and misses his reads.  We dont throw a lot of slants, outs or curls there is a reason.  All of our short passes are screens and we chunk a deep ball.  I'm grateful that we have Nick but to think we are a dominant team either last year or this year is absurd.  We have a great offense and a less than average defense.  We have a team that can win against anybody but can also lose against anybody.
^^this AND that I think I can appreciate Marshall while believing that JJ brings something to the table. We shouldn't be running a loyalty rewards program. Whatever will help us win the game is what we should do. Obviously, Gus believes in sticking with Nick only.

Re: Ellis J, d cor isn't a union or government job. The world I've always worked in, numbers matter. 1st place in the sales contest is a Cadillac, 2nd is a set of steak knives and 3rd is you're  fired.

It's been 2 years and very little progress. From the looks of Athens, none.
Title: Re: Thoughts - Week Hello Chizik, My Old Friend?
Post by: RottenBottom on November 16, 2014, 09:32:02 PM
I had been wondering what our offense would look like without Duke, and I'm honestly very thankful we had him this year. Otherwise, we could've been looking at 2-3 more losses.
Title: Re: Thoughts - Week Hello Chizik, My Old Friend?
Post by: GH2001 on November 16, 2014, 09:45:42 PM
How people continue to have this thought process is beyond me. Marshall was about the only decent thing I saw from Auburn last night.

I said last night numerous times that nick and cap were apparently the only ones who showed up to play. Both were also getting mauled a lot due to the OL getting their shit pushed in. Nick is not The problem. Not even close.
Title: Re: Thoughts - Week Hello Chizik, My Old Friend?
Post by: WiregrassTiger on November 16, 2014, 10:21:32 PM
You and chinook are the only ones I see buttfudgeing eachother with rainbow blindfolds on.
It's high time someone addressed GF and Chinook buttfucking in plain sight. This has been an eyesore for some time.
Title: Re: Thoughts - Week Hello Chizik, My Old Friend?
Post by: Godfather on November 16, 2014, 10:43:41 PM
It's high time someone addressed GF and Chinook buttfucking in plain sight. This has been an eyesore for some time.
Doesn't bother me, course I have a rainbow blindfold on.
Title: Re: Thoughts - Week Hello Chizik, My Old Friend?
Post by: bgreene on November 17, 2014, 06:14:23 AM
I agree that Nick is not the problem.  I think he tries hard, but let's face it, he's not a true qb.  Most of all his deep passes are thrown to double coverage.  What saves him is the wr making a good catch.  I don't recall where, but I heard someone say "offense puts butts in the seats, and defense wins championships".  My point for saying that is, why can't we have a high potent offense and lights out defense?  Why must it be one or the other?  The bend don't break attitude on defense is just not working.
Title: Re: Thoughts - Week Hello Chizik, My Old Friend?
Post by: The Six on November 17, 2014, 10:11:06 AM
I agree that Nick is not the problem.  I think he tries hard, but let's face it, he's not a true qb.  Most of all his deep passes are thrown to double coverage.  What saves him is the wr making a good catch.  I don't recall where, but I heard someone say "offense puts butts in the seats, and defense wins championships".  My point for saying that is, why can't we have a high potent offense and lights out defense?  Why must it be one or the other?  The bend don't break attitude on defense is just not working.

"Bend Don't Break" generally leaves you crooked, sore, and weak at the seams. It's not a philosophy for long-term success as has been proven time and again.
Title: Re: Thoughts - Week Hello Chizik, My Old Friend?
Post by: Godfather on November 17, 2014, 11:05:03 AM
"Bend Don't Break" generally leaves you crooked, sore, and weak at the seams. It's not a philosophy for long-term success as has been proven time and again.
TheSeven hath returned!
Title: Re: Thoughts - Week Hello Chizik, My Old Friend?
Post by: The Six on November 17, 2014, 11:08:57 AM
TheSeven hath returned!

I heard there were rainbow blindfolds here now and didn't want to miss out on that.
Title: Re: Thoughts - Week Hello Chizik, My Old Friend?
Post by: Jumbo on November 17, 2014, 11:24:46 AM
TheSeven hath returned!
Finally someone that's sensible. #starburys
Title: Re: Thoughts - Week Hello Chizik, My Old Friend?
Post by: AUJarhead on November 17, 2014, 11:25:38 AM
I heard there were rainbow blindfolds here now and didn't want to miss out on that.

Jumbo gets to fist your dog again, though.  Sorry.
Title: Re: Thoughts - Week Hello Chizik, My Old Friend?
Post by: The Six on November 17, 2014, 11:27:17 AM
Jumbo gets to fist your dog again, though.  Sorry.

Seeing as the post count has remained intact, I think the dog gets a pass - UNLIKE this Auburn team who mailed it in after that first drive Saturday in Athens. if anyone needs a fisting, this team does...with a hot glove.
Title: Re: Thoughts - Week Hello Chizik, My Old Friend?
Post by: War Eagle!!! on November 17, 2014, 11:39:57 AM
Seeing as the post count has remained intact, I think the dog gets a pass - UNLIKE this Auburn team who mailed it in after that first drive Saturday in Athens. if anyone needs a fisting, this team does...with a hot glove.

Well, if you are speaking honestly, I think it took the roughing the punter call before they mailed it in. But after that...yep...
Title: Re: Thoughts - Week Hello Chizik, My Old Friend?
Post by: Townhallsavoy on November 17, 2014, 11:53:38 AM
Something else -

This Auburn team is the worst in penalty yards per game since I'm not exactly sure when.  CFBStats only goes back to 2008, and we're winning since then.  So compared to 2008 and 2012's clusterfuck years, we're worse when it comes to maintaining composure and making smart decisions throughout a game. 

EDIT - Team website has cumulative statistics going pretty far back. 

In 2014, we're averaging 69 yards a game in penalties. 

We averaged 65 yards a game in penalties in 2009. 
68 yards a game in penalties in 2001. 

Auburnsports.com only goes back to 1997.  2014 may so far be the worst season in Auburn history for penalties.  Other than 2009 and 2001, our average penalty yards per game at most hits in the lower 50s.  60s is rare. 

What's even worse is that we're sucking like hell penalty-wise on the road.  81 yards/game during road games.

And to make matters worse, November is fucking blistering us as a team.  91 yards/game in penalties in the month of November.  August?  53 yards/game. 
Title: Re: Thoughts - Week Hello Chizik, My Old Friend?
Post by: jmar on November 17, 2014, 11:57:52 AM
"Bend Don't Break" generally leaves you crooked, sore, and weak at the seams. It's not a philosophy for long-term success as has been proven time and again.
That reply there was a pip fella. Have you got any in response to the possibility that Gus and young Lashlee are getting their signals crossed?
I call it "too many cooks in the kitchen."
Will wait on your response.
Title: Re: Thoughts - Week Hello Chizik, My Old Friend?
Post by: Godfather on November 17, 2014, 11:59:49 AM
That reply there was a pip fella. Have you got any in response to the possibility that Gus and young Lashlee are getting their signals crossed?
I call it "too many cooks in the kitchen."
Will wait on your response.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrGrOK8oZG8#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrGrOK8oZG8#ws)

$2 to THS
Title: Re: Thoughts - Week Hello Chizik, My Old Friend?
Post by: jmar on November 17, 2014, 12:04:40 PM
Something else -

This Auburn team is the worst in penalty yards per game since I'm not exactly sure when.  CFBStats only goes back to 2008, and we're winning since then.  So compared to 2008 and 2012's clusterfuck years, we're worse when it comes to maintaining composure and making smart decisions throughout a game. 

EDIT - Team website has cumulative statistics going pretty far back. 

In 2014, we're averaging 69 yards a game in penalties. 

We averaged 65 yards a game in penalties in 2009. 
68 yards a game in penalties in 2001. 

Auburnsports.com only goes back to 1997.  2014 may so far be the worst season in Auburn history for penalties.  Other than 2009 and 2001, our average penalty yards per game at most hits in the lower 50s.  60s is rare. 

What's even worse is that we're sucking like hell penalty-wise on the road.  81 yards/game during road games.

And to make matters worse, November is fucking blistering us as a team.  91 yards/game in penalties in the month of November.  August?  53 yards/game.
All but sure 2004 team was very close to our current average in penalties.
Title: Re: Thoughts - Week Hello Chizik, My Old Friend?
Post by: Townhallsavoy on November 17, 2014, 12:10:29 PM
All but sure 2004 team was very close to our current average in penalties.

Nope. And damnit, you should do your own homework, but I'll put it here for you:

2014 - 69
2013 - 40
2012 - 50
2011 - 52
2010 - 53
2009 - 65 (140 yards of penalties in the bowl game skewed this one a bit)
2008 - 47
2007 - 47
2006 - 45
2005 - 45
2004 - 52

You may think 15-20 yards extra a game is not much, but think about HOW many penalties that would be a game.  At least one pass interference call or a few false starts, holds, or offsides.  Enough to put a team in an extra difficult position to succeed.  And that's confirmed by the fact that Auburn is dead last in penalties this year.  Oh, and our penalties/yards are only going up each week since August.  53/game in August/September, 63/game in October, 91/game in November.

Also averaging about 2 more penalties a game than recent years. 

Combine that with other discipline problems (fumbles, muffed punts, drops), and it's easy to see that this team is not prepared to compete with the best teams in the country.
Title: Re: Thoughts - Week Hello Chizik, My Old Friend?
Post by: Godfather on November 17, 2014, 12:15:08 PM
Nope. And damnit, you should do your own homework, but I'll put it here for you:

2014 - 69
2013 - 40
2012 - 50
2011 - 52
2010 - 53
2009 - 65 (140 yards of penalties in the bowl game skewed this one a bit)
2008 - 47
2007 - 47
2006 - 45
2005 - 45
2004 - 52

You may think 15-20 yards extra a game is not much, but think about HOW many penalties that would be a game.  At least one pass interference call or a few false starts, holds, or offsides.  Enough to put a team in an extra difficult position to succeed.  And that's confirmed by the fact that Auburn is dead last in penalties this year.  Oh, and our penalties/yards are only going up each week since August.  53/game in August/September, 63/game in October, 91/game in November.

Also averaging about 2 more penalties a game than recent years. 

Combine that with other discipline problems (fumbles, muffed punts, drops), and it's easy to see that this team is not prepared to compete with the best teams in the country.

Is that common core?
Title: Re: Thoughts - Week Hello Chizik, My Old Friend?
Post by: jmar on November 17, 2014, 12:26:31 PM
You kids with your statistics and whatnot.
How about checking the number of fumbles of some of the better Oklahoma offenses of the seventies and eighties.
Title: Re: Thoughts - Week Hello Chizik, My Old Friend?
Post by: The Six on November 17, 2014, 01:56:45 PM
That reply there was a pip fella. Have you got any in response to the possibility that Gus and young Lashlee are getting their signals crossed?
I call it "too many cooks in the kitchen."
Will wait on your response.

I don't put much weight on that. They are both high energy guys who yell and jump and such during games. I think they are pretty well in sync. The team just didn't do anything after that opening bit for reasons which are only speculative at this point.
Title: Re: Thoughts - Week Hello Chizik, My Old Friend?
Post by: WiregrassTiger on November 17, 2014, 02:13:17 PM
I don't put much weight on that. They are both high energy guys who yell and jump and such during games. I think they are pretty well in sync. The team just didn't do anything after that opening bit for reasons which are only speculative at this point.
And occasionally bust that ass on the sideline, as Lash did Saturday. Tried to stop quick and busted that ass. Saw it on top 10 worst. I love watching people fall. I should probably consider working in a nursing home. I'd laugh my ass off all day.
Title: Re: Thoughts - Week Hello Chizik, My Old Friend?
Post by: Kaos on November 17, 2014, 02:21:17 PM
The thing that upsets me about this team is that it reminds me very much of 2003.  We had high expectations.  That year we blew it from the start.  This year we felt good, but reached sky-high limits after destroying an LSU defense that has pretty much shut everybody else in the world down. 

I'll be honest.  After we skullfucked LSU and I saw how badly A&M played, how flawed MSU was (and is), how vulnerable Alabama was (and is) and how weak SC turned out to be I truly thought we'd methodically grind our way unbeaten into the Iron Bowl.  I figured Bama would have two losses by then.  I expected the Ole Miss loss and really thought Arkansas or LSU would tag them too (both should have, but Bama is the luckiest team in the history of the universe). 

We have the talent.  We got the benefit of the doubt from the committee.  So, again, I (and I think most of us) bought in yet again. After 2003 I damn sure didn't completely buy in back in 2004.  Didn't want to get burned again.  I didn't buy in back in 2010 until the very end.  I kept thinking something had to break, we were so close in seemingly every game.  I didn't buy in last year because, well, we weren't supposed to be there.  Every game was a happy surprise. 

And then this year.  It was all right there in front of us.  We looked invulnerable on offense, we seemed to have found a comfortable groove on defense.   And then we seemed to get complacent.  Defense started half assing. Offense played well, but only when it absolutely had to.  We let a Mississippi State team we should have broken escape with some really sloppy play.  Then we let a really bad Texas A&M team run over us because, in my opinion, our players saw the point spread, saw what Alabama did to them and figured all we had to do was show up.  Instead we fucked up. 

That hangover (and perhaps some internal finger pointing) carried over to the Georgia game.  And we fucked the entire season. 

Is this a bad team?  Nope.  The team that mauled LSU is still out there somewhere.  That team would beat Alabama like a rented mule.  The Tide are as vulnerable as they've been in seven years.  They don't have a quarterback, there are big holes to exploit on defense. They can be stopped, easily.  But I don't know if the coaching staff can bring the Auburn team that dominated LSU back.  That's the challenge. 

All isn't lost, but we are staring at the abyss right now.  We shit the bed once again and we'll be back in the same position we were several years ago where we have to "prove" ourselves all over again.  We'd climbed that mountain already (See the committee rankings early on).  We don't need to fall so far that we create that perpetual doubt again. 
Title: Re: Thoughts - Week Hello Chizik, My Old Friend?
Post by: WiregrassTiger on November 17, 2014, 02:30:19 PM
The thing that upsets me about this team is that it reminds me very much of 2003.  We had high expectations.  That year we blew it from the start.  This year we felt good, but reached sky-high limits after destroying an LSU defense that has pretty much shut everybody else in the world down. 

I'll be honest.  After we skullfudgeed LSU and I saw how badly A&M played, how flawed MSU was (and is), how vulnerable Alabama was (and is) and how weak SC turned out to be I truly thought we'd methodically grind our way unbeaten into the Iron Bowl.  I figured Bama would have two losses by then.  I expected the Ole Miss loss and really thought Arkansas or LSU would tag them too (both should have, but Bama is the luckiest team in the history of the universe). 

We have the talent.  We got the benefit of the doubt from the committee.  So, again, I (and I think most of us) bought in yet again. After 2003 I damn sure didn't completely buy in back in 2004.  Didn't want to get burned again.  I didn't buy in back in 2010 until the very end.  I kept thinking something had to break, we were so close in seemingly every game.  I didn't buy in last year because, well, we weren't supposed to be there.  Every game was a happy surprise. 

And then this year.  It was all right there in front of us.  We looked invulnerable on offense, we seemed to have found a comfortable groove on defense.   And then we seemed to get complacent.  Defense started half assing. Offense played well, but only when it absolutely had to.  We let a Mississippi State team we should have broken escape with some really sloppy play.  Then we let a really bad Texas A&M team run over us because, in my opinion, our players saw the point spread, saw what Alabama did to them and figured all we had to do was show up.  Instead we fudgeed up. 

That hangover (and perhaps some internal finger pointing) carried over to the Georgia game.  And we fudgeed the entire season. 

Is this a bad team?  Nope.  The team that mauled LSU is still out there somewhere.  That team would beat Alabama like a rented mule.  The Tide are as vulnerable as they've been in seven years.  They don't have a quarterback, there are big holes to exploit on defense. They can be stopped, easily.  But I don't know if the coaching staff can bring the Auburn team that dominated LSU back.  That's the challenge. 

All isn't lost, but we are staring at the abyss right now.  We shoot the bed once again and we'll be back in the same position we were several years ago where we have to "prove" ourselves all over again.  We'd climbed that mountain already (See the committee rankings early on).  We don't need to fall so far that we create that perpetual doubt again.
That doubt is already here. A&M and the thugs back to back have spread it like wildfire. A close game with Uga would've contained it.
Title: Re: Thoughts - Week Hello Chizik, My Old Friend?
Post by: War Eagle!!! on November 17, 2014, 02:45:00 PM
The thing that upsets me about this team is that it reminds me very much of 2003.  We had high expectations.  That year we blew it from the start.  This year we felt good, but reached sky-high limits after destroying an LSU defense that has pretty much shut everybody else in the world down. 

I'll be honest.  After we skullfucked LSU and I saw how badly A&M played, how flawed MSU was (and is), how vulnerable Alabama was (and is) and how weak SC turned out to be I truly thought we'd methodically grind our way unbeaten into the Iron Bowl.  I figured Bama would have two losses by then.  I expected the Ole Miss loss and really thought Arkansas or LSU would tag them too (both should have, but Bama is the luckiest team in the history of the universe). 

We have the talent.  We got the benefit of the doubt from the committee.  So, again, I (and I think most of us) bought in yet again. After 2003 I damn sure didn't completely buy in back in 2004.  Didn't want to get burned again.  I didn't buy in back in 2010 until the very end.  I kept thinking something had to break, we were so close in seemingly every game.  I didn't buy in last year because, well, we weren't supposed to be there.  Every game was a happy surprise. 

And then this year.  It was all right there in front of us.  We looked invulnerable on offense, we seemed to have found a comfortable groove on defense.   And then we seemed to get complacent.  Defense started half assing. Offense played well, but only when it absolutely had to.  We let a Mississippi State team we should have broken escape with some really sloppy play.  Then we let a really bad Texas A&M team run over us because, in my opinion, our players saw the point spread, saw what Alabama did to them and figured all we had to do was show up.  Instead we fucked up. 

That hangover (and perhaps some internal finger pointing) carried over to the Georgia game.  And we fucked the entire season. 

Is this a bad team?  Nope.  The team that mauled LSU is still out there somewhere.  That team would beat Alabama like a rented mule.  The Tide are as vulnerable as they've been in seven years.  They don't have a quarterback, there are big holes to exploit on defense. They can be stopped, easily.  But I don't know if the coaching staff can bring the Auburn team that dominated LSU back.  That's the challenge. 

All isn't lost, but we are staring at the abyss right now.  We shit the bed once again and we'll be back in the same position we were several years ago where we have to "prove" ourselves all over again.  We'd climbed that mountain already (See the committee rankings early on).  We don't need to fall so far that we create that perpetual doubt again.

Pretty much spot on.
Title: Re: Thoughts - Week Hello Chizik, My Old Friend?
Post by: Godfather on November 17, 2014, 02:51:33 PM
Samford will help to cure the loss woes, my hope is that it is contagious enough for the team to show-up against bama. 

Also I would like to see us play balls out (Snaggle it's an expression), rather than scared like we did at UGA got nothing left to lose at this point.
Title: Re: Thoughts - Week Hello Chizik, My Old Friend?
Post by: The Six on November 17, 2014, 02:58:40 PM
Samford will help to cure the loss woes, my hope is that it is contagious enough for the team to show-up against bama. 

Also I would like to see us play balls out (Snaggle it's an expression), rather than scared like we did at UGA got nothing left to lose at this point.

That bold part is what I don't get. At times, this offense flat out plays scared of its own shadow. And K is right on with the 2003 reference. That team's offense did the same thing with Tubs directing Nall and Ensminger calling plays out of the Petrino playbook. The Nallsminger Incident, as it came to be known.
Title: Re: Thoughts - Week Hello Chizik, My Old Friend?
Post by: GH2001 on November 17, 2014, 03:23:01 PM
We seemed to get complacent. Defense started half assing. Offense played well, but only when it absolutely had to. 

Then we let a really bad Texas A&M team run over us because, in my opinion, our players saw the point spread, saw what Alabama did to them and figured all we had to do was show up.  Instead we fucked up. 

That hangover (and perhaps some internal finger pointing) carried over to the Georgia game.  And we fucked the entire season. 

Is this a bad team?  Nope.  The team that mauled LSU is still out there somewhere. 

The things above...all of them. Sums the season up entirely. PERIOD. Esp the bolded.
Title: Re: Thoughts - Week Hello Chizik, My Old Friend?
Post by: Townhallsavoy on November 17, 2014, 05:35:26 PM
I sincerely hope the team is coming together over the next few weeks. 

One great thing about college football is that with rivalry games, your season is never over.  This team can go down in Auburn lore if they beat Alabama and stop their hopes at an SECCG.  11/29 will be a great day for football.  Miss State-Ole Miss winner goes to the SECCG if Auburn beats Alabama.  It will be an epic upset that the entire conference will remember.

Not to mention, Auburn is on track for having its first back to back 10 win season since....?  Have we ever had one? 
Title: Re: Thoughts - Week Hello Chizik, My Old Friend?
Post by: WiregrassTiger on November 17, 2014, 05:45:03 PM
I sincerely hope the team is coming together over the next few weeks. 

One great thing about college football is that with rivalry games, your season is never over.  This team can go down in Auburn lore if they beat Alabama and stop their hopes at an SECCG.  11/29 will be a great day for football.  Miss State-Ole Miss winner goes to the SECCG if Auburn beats Alabama.  It will be an epic upset that the entire conference will remember.

Not to mention, Auburn is on track for having its first back to back 10 win season since....?  Have we ever had one?
I am currently almost as pessimistic if our chances as I was in 2012, which means, the second most pessimistic time re this game in my life. Usually, I can find a ray of sunshine to hang my hopes on. Now I'm resorting to hoping for key personnel injuries (nothing serious, mind you) for Bama and us getting Duke and Lawson back. Improbable hopes, except maybe getting Duke back.
Title: Re: Thoughts - Week Hello Chizik, My Old Friend?
Post by: jmar on November 17, 2014, 06:06:37 PM
I am currently almost as pessimistic if our chances as I was in 2012, which means, the second most pessimistic time re this game in my life. Usually, I can find a ray of sunshine to hang my hopes on. Now I'm resorting to hoping for key personnel injuries (nothing serious, mind you) for Bama and us getting Duke and Lawson back. Improbable hopes, except maybe getting Duke back.
Not feeling very optimistic either after seeing the Turd D in action v. Dak.
Bowling Ball was in the gutter the entire game and it looked as if Bama was playing 12.
Tuscaloosa too.

Most of us can remember some lean odds where we overcame but TAMU seems to have sent us into a spiral. Can only hope for Duke as it looks like we might need one hellified effort out of Marshall and our defense has to play out of its mind. Drugs maybe?
IDK but it's one tall order. 
Title: Re: Thoughts - Week Hello Chizik, My Old Friend?
Post by: Buzz Killington on November 17, 2014, 09:56:27 PM
Not to mention, Auburn is on track for having its first back to back 10 win season since....?  Have we ever had one?

Gene Chizik averaged 10 wins a season if you forget about that pesky 2012 squad.
Title: Re: Thoughts - Week Hello Chizik, My Old Friend?
Post by: dallaswareagle on November 18, 2014, 08:47:47 AM
Gene Chizik Gus averaged 10 wins a season if you forget about that pesky 2012 squad.


FTFY
Title: Re: Thoughts - Week Hello Chizik, My Old Friend?
Post by: GH2001 on November 18, 2014, 09:10:11 AM
I sincerely hope the team is coming together over the next few weeks. 

One great thing about college football is that with rivalry games, your season is never over.  This team can go down in Auburn lore if they beat Alabama and stop their hopes at an SECCG.  11/29 will be a great day for football.  Miss State-Ole Miss winner goes to the SECCG if Auburn beats Alabama.  It will be an epic upset that the entire conference will remember.

Not to mention, Auburn is on track for having its first back to back 10 win season since....?  Have we ever had one?

87-88-89 saw us go 9,10,10 on wins. That 9 was ALMOST a 10, but a little blip happened. More impressive is there was no SECCG or 12 game schedule then.
Title: Re: Thoughts - Week Hello Chizik, My Old Friend?
Post by: djsimp on November 19, 2014, 11:01:26 AM
Still getting some love from the CFB Playoff Committee. AU only dropped to 14th.
Title: Re: Thoughts - Week Hello Chizik, My Old Friend?
Post by: GH2001 on November 19, 2014, 11:07:35 AM
Still getting some love from the CFB Playoff Committee. AU only dropped to 14th.

Quality teams/wins and SoS are obviously huge in their eyes. Which it should be. FSU could continue to drop without a loss. If TCU, Ohio State, MSU or Baylor impress the rest of the way out, it could very well happen. No one is impressed by FSU getting drug for 3 quarters every game by inferior crap teams and having to pull them out at the end by throwing and landing bombs.
Title: Re: Thoughts - Week Hello Chizik, My Old Friend?
Post by: djsimp on November 19, 2014, 11:24:39 AM
Quality teams/wins and SoS are obviously huge in their eyes. Which it should be. FSU could continue to drop without a loss. If TCU, Ohio State, MSU or Baylor impress the rest of the way out, it could very well happen. No one is impressed by FSU getting drug for 3 quarters every game by inferior crap teams and having to pull them out at the end by throwing and landing bombs.

I think I really like this new system even if bama is the new #1. It makes much more sense to reasons that have been well covered by all of us since the first ranking came out.

I would love to see an AU/FSU rematch in a bowl game.
Title: Re: Thoughts - Week Hello Chizik, My Old Friend?
Post by: GH2001 on November 19, 2014, 11:49:08 AM
I think I really like this new system even if bama is the new #1. It makes much more sense to reasons that have been well covered by all of us since the first ranking came out.

I would love to see an AU/FSU rematch in a bowl game.

Chick Fil A bowl? Were there!