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The Library => Broun Hall => Topic started by: Kaos on February 19, 2014, 09:08:55 AM
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Bored. Watched an episode of March Game 75 and also an episode of Miami Vice.
Ben Stiller played a guido hustler with gold chains on Vice. Best work he's ever done.
Sonny complained because a soft drink cost 75 cents.
Meanwhile over on match game there was a steady stream of smarmy racist innuendo. I miss the days when people could just joke openly.
Question: Dr Frankenstein made some changes to his lair. He replaced Igor the Hunchback with a <blank>.
Contestant answered "A Wetback". And nobody gasped or filed a lawsuit.
Later Gene told a black panelist that if she didn't hurry up with her answer he was gonna put her in the back of the bus. Everybody laughed. Say that today and watch the protest Jesse and Al organize.
Later gene was complaining about a light being out and while standing near the black panelist he commented "it's dark over here." The panelist asked if she was gonna have to call the NAACP. Laughs all around.
What happened to being that kind of general sense of ease with it?
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You serious, Clark?
http://youtu.be/-I7JJChM6IQ (http://youtu.be/-I7JJChM6IQ)
Ever wonder why it's only the privileged old white men that pine for the "good old days?"
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You serious, Clark?
Very serious.
She was black. And it was okay to make jokes about it. She did. People joked about Louisa Moritz not knowing the language. About Fannie Flagg being a redneck. Charles makes sly gay jokes. Nobody got offended. No Oprah specialness needed. Nobody had to issue sham apologies. Sensitivity training wasn't required. Nobody gets fired. People are open and said whatever occurred to them. Didn't hide things.
Dang right it was better then.
Caught half a Starsky and Hutch a couple of days ago too. Pimp brother was puffing on weed and calling people the *oh the horror* n-word too.
Relaxed is better. Today is ridiculous.
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I won't speak for them, but we have a couple of posters here that are Hispanic. You'd feel comfortable and at ease throwing "wetback" around in their presence?
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I won't speak for them, but we have a couple of posters here that are Hispanic. You'd feel comfortable and at ease throwing "wetback" around in their presence?
We've got some damn spics on here? Now, that's a game changer. Next thing you know, the Jews and chinks'll be crawling all over the board.
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We've got some damn spics on here? Now, that's a game changer. Next thing you know, the Jews and chinks'll be crawling all over the board.
Look here, we'll take the blacks and the chinks, but we won't take the Irish!
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Look here, we'll take the blacks and the chinks, but we won't take the Irish!
They drink too much. Too much cost involved.
I like stereotypes. All of them. I find it funny when black comedians make white jokes too. Equal opportunity offending is the way to go. Everyone has to be able to poke fun at themselves at some point. Were too damn sensitive. Watching Sanford and Son, All in the Family and George Jefferson is classic shit. All kinds of stereotype humor on those 3 and it was friggin hilarious because it was true for the most part.
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I won't speak for them, but we have a couple of posters here that are Hispanic. You'd feel comfortable and at ease throwing "wetback" around in their presence?
Not today because everybody has a bug up their ass. I think that's stupid.
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Not today because everybody has a bug up their ass. I think that's stupid.
Ah, poor K, mean old society is stifling his slur game.
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Ah, poor K, mean old society is stifling his slur game.
It's not a slur. That's the point. It's BECOME a slur because people are so freaking sensitive.
I find the sensitivity fraudulent and the PC face people put on disingenuous.
Call a spade a spade.
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It's not a slur. That's the point. It's BECOME a slur because people are so freaking sensitive.
I find the sensitivity fraudulent and the PC face people put on disingenuous.
Call a spade a spade.
I find it fraudulent that you would attempt to define what does or does not offend an entire group to which you do not belong.
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It's not a slur. That's the point. It's BECOME a slur because people are so freaking sensitive.
I find the sensitivity fraudulent and the PC face people put on disingenuous.
Call a spade a spade.
I agree with the people are too sensitive thing, I was with you up until this. They are slurs, the same way honkey is. They were created by a generation mean't to put people down, they are insults.
The fact that you, me or anyone else were to find them funny, doesn't make them not slurs.
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Who you callin' honkey, cracka?
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I find it fraudulent that you would attempt to define what does or does not offend an entire group to which you do not belong.
I didn't do that at all. No definition of anything. I just find all the "outrage" over what somebody says, followed by the (clearly bogus) apology asinine.
Paula Deen, who I think is an absolute idiot, is crucified and her livelihood threatened because she may or may not have said the dreaded "n" word 20 years ago. Oh. the. horror. Burn her at the stake.
And while you're at it burn pretty much everybody -- of every color -- who was alive in the 70s and 80s.
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Two black girls at Jeff Davis HS nicknamed me saltine.
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I didn't do that at all. No definition of anything. I just find all the "outrage" over what somebody says, followed by the (clearly bogus) apology asinine.
Paula Deen, who I think is an absolute idiot, is crucified and her livelihood threatened because she may or may not have said the dreaded "n" word 20 years ago. Oh. the. horror. Burn her at the stake.
And while you're at it burn pretty much everybody -- of every color -- who was alive in the 70s and 80s.
You attempted to re-define "slur."
Grumble...Grumble...dang kids...lawn...
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I agree with the people are too sensitive thing, I was with you up until this. They are slurs, the same way honkey is. They were created by a generation mean't to put people down, they are insults.
The fact that you, me or anyone else were to find them funny, doesn't make them not slurs.
You think it bothers me for somebody to call me a honkey? I could not care less. Cracker, whitey, ghost, whatever. They're only "slurs" if you allow them to be.
People are simply too sensitive.
The only point here was that things seemed so much more pleasant when people of all persuasions were able to laugh with, at and about each other without someone pulling a Reverend Al Sharpton outrage because of it.
There was no animosity on this old show and there was genuine affection and respect for the different people on it as expressed in the humor and nobody being afraid that the next syllable was going to get them sued.
The contestants kissed the panelists, the host kissed everybody, there was hugging and leering.
One of the contestants had a sequin butterfly bedazzled on the front of her shirt. When she was clapping or whatever somebody made a comment about the butterfly's wings flapping. Do that today and she's filing a sexual harassment suit.
It wasn't so tight ass like it is now and ... well... they seemed to be having a lot more fun. That seems better to me than the guard-every-word-lest-you-be-forced-to-write-a-fake-apology society we have today.
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http://youtu.be/KeePAXG7uBw (http://youtu.be/KeePAXG7uBw)
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You think it bothers me for somebody to call me a honkey? I could not care less. Cracker, whitey, ghost, whatever. They're only "slurs" if you allow them to be.
The fact that it may not bother you still doesn't mean it isn't a slur. A slur is an attempt to put someone down in this case for the color of their skin. It is a slur from the giver, not from the receiver. But you know all this.
Again I agree that people are overly sensitive. However, the fact that it offends some is good enough reason in my opinion not to do it.
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You think it bothers me for somebody to call me a honkey? I could not care less. Cracker, whitey, ghost, whatever. They're only "slurs" if you allow them to be.
People are simply too sensitive.
The only point here was that things seemed so much more pleasant when people of all persuasions were able to laugh with, at and about each other without someone pulling a Reverend Al Sharpton outrage because of it.
There was no animosity on this old show and there was genuine affection and respect for the different people on it as expressed in the humor and nobody being afraid that the next syllable was going to get them sued.
The contestants kissed the panelists, the host kissed everybody, there was hugging and leering.
One of the contestants had a sequin butterfly bedazzled on the front of her shirt. When she was clapping or whatever somebody made a comment about the butterfly's wings flapping. Do that today and she's filing a sexual harassment suit.
It wasn't so tight ass like it is now and ... well... they seemed to be having a lot more fun. That seems better to me than the guard-every-word-lest-you-be-forced-to-write-a-fake-apology society we have today.
They were only stereo-types then. And every race had them. Then the NAACP started taking everything as an insult and white guilt took over. Kaos did not redefine slur, the NAACP did that for you and you allowed it. Of course there were a few words that were derogatory, but nothing that Kaos referred to in his original post. You guilty whites brought up all of the rest.
And his original post was spot on. We did not have all of the racist BS in the 70s and early 80s as there is today. We all knew how to laugh and get along. If you beat into a minority that they are always being denigrated, the denigration becomes the norm, whether it is true or not.
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They were only stereo-types then. And every race had them. Then the NAACP started taking everything as an insult and white guilt took over. Kaos did not redefine slur, the NAACP did that for you and you allowed it. Of course there were a few words that were derogatory, but nothing that Kaos referred to in his original post. You guilty whites brought up all of the rest.
And his original post was spot on. We did not have all of the racist BS in the 70s and early 80s as there is today. We all knew how to laugh and get along. If you beat into a minority that they are always being denigrated, the denigration becomes the norm, whether it is true or not.
Somehow racial stereotypes are better than slurs?
Old white guys here just fucking hate the erosion of their privilege to spout off at will, apparently.
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The fact that it may not bother you still doesn't mean it isn't a slur. A slur is an attempt to put someone down in this case for the color of their skin. It is a slur from the giver, not from the receiver. But you know all this.
Again I agree that people are overly sensitive. However, the fact that it offends some is good enough reason in my opinion not to do it.
I say screw them. Not a good enough reason.
You know what offends me? A fucking tomato. I hate the way they look. So from now on, I want every restaurant to remove every tomato in the place they all have to go because I'm offended.
You know what else offends me? Country music. I find it lowbrow and lacking in redeeming social value. I'm offended. It must be banned. Immediately.
Guess what else offends me? The Olympics. Get rid of it. Off my TV now. Cancel the whole thing.
Being "offended" isn't good enough.
My one and only point here was that it was strange and a little liberating to see people unafraid to enjoy each other's differences and be able to poke fun at them all on this 40-year old show because no one was worried about some idiot scandalizing every move they made and every word they uttered. I'm not trying to redefine anything or take over the world. Just making an observation.
I personally think we cringe far too often at the wrong thing today (some random word or action) while we shrug at things that should really matter. We're so desensitized to violence and perversion that we hardly notice either any more. My kid was bored by the horror movies that were so shocking back in the day. She sees as much gore on Law and Order or Criminal Minds than they showed on Friday the 13th or Halloween.
So make a big rainbow flag waving issue out of it. I'll continue to enjoy Match Game for its openness.
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Somehow racial stereotypes are better than slurs?
Old white guys here just fucking hate the erosion of their privilege to spout off at will, apparently.
White guilt rules the day. Again.
We are speaking of our memory of those days and of now.
We were not taught white guilt.
We were just labeled racists because that is what the liberals told you to call it.
For us, it was not racism. It was living together without all of the supposed issues of today.
And we laughed at each other without being racist.
Now, only non-white comedians are allowed to do this.
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White guilt rules the day. Again.
We are speaking of our memory of those days and of now.
We were not taught white guilt.
We were just labeled racists because that is what the liberals told you to call it.
For us, it was not racism. It was living together without all of the supposed issues of today.
And we laughed at each other without being racist.
Now, only non-white comedians are allowed to do this.
What you say is true.
Jesse Jackson and his division of the Civil Rights Movement co-opted the entire thing when King was murdered (which I believe to this day Jackson engineered). For Jesse, the movement became more about empowering HIM and less about empowering a people. To do so, he had to become a champion of the oppressed and to foster that he (and his people) created convenient oppression.
In the history of the human race there has never been a societal change of that magnitude that came about in such a miniscule amount of time. If you look at where things were in 1960 and then looked again in 1970 you'd think centuries had passed. But that wasn't enough for the good Reverend. People getting along tolerably well didn't fill his coffers. He thrives on strife and has sewn discontent with reckless abandon. And sadly it was his strident (minority) voice which became viewed as the voice of a people.
But that's a lesson for another day.
I'm gonna go watch Sanford and Son. Because it's funny when they make fun of Mexicans.
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What you say is true.
Jesse Jackson and his division of the Civil Rights Movement co-opted the entire thing when King was murdered (which I believe to this day Jackson engineered). For Jesse, the movement became more about empowering HIM and less about empowering a people. To do so, he had to become a champion of the oppressed and to foster that he (and his people) created convenient oppression.
In the history of the human race there has never been a societal change of that magnitude that came about in such a miniscule amount of time. If you look at where things were in 1960 and then looked again in 1970 you'd think centuries had passed. But that wasn't enough for the good Reverend. People getting along tolerably well didn't fill his coffers. He thrives on strife and has sewn discontent with reckless abandon. And sadly it was his strident (minority) voice which became viewed as the voice of a people.
But that's a lesson for another day.
I'm gonna go watch Sanford and Son. Because it's funny when they make fun of Mexicans.
I'm gonna drink some Champipple in honor of this occasion.
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I say screw them. Not a good enough reason.
You know what offends me? A fucking tomato. I hate the way they look. So from now on, I want every restaurant to remove every tomato in the place they all have to go because I'm offended.
You know what else offends me? Country music. I find it lowbrow and lacking in redeeming social value. I'm offended. It must be banned. Immediately.
Guess what else offends me? The Olympics. Get rid of it. Off my TV now. Cancel the whole thing.
Being "offended" isn't good enough.
My one and only point here was that it was strange and a little liberating to see people unafraid to enjoy each other's differences and be able to poke fun at them all on this 40-year old show because no one was worried about some idiot scandalizing every move they made and every word they uttered. I'm not trying to redefine anything or take over the world. Just making an observation.
I personally think we cringe far too often at the wrong thing today (some random word or action) while we shrug at things that should really matter. We're so desensitized to violence and perversion that we hardly notice either any more. My kid was bored by the horror movies that were so shocking back in the day. She sees as much gore on Law and Order or Criminal Minds than they showed on Friday the 13th or Halloween.
So make a big rainbow flag waving issue out of it. I'll continue to enjoy Match Game for its openness.
Now you are just being overly dramatic.
You know damn well and good what those "slurs" or "racial stereotypes" meant and what they were about. They were used to put a race of people down...whatever race you want.
Again open are not doesn't make it not a slur and just because they accepted it back then doesn't make it right. It's called progress towards being a human being.
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It's called progress towards being a human being.
On that we shall disagree.
I see it as one more step toward becoming a socially-engineered robot who only speaks in government-approved, non-offensive terms.
Can't we all just get along? I say NO! Because when we all get along, nothing will ever be accomplished.
I believe in Patrick Henry, Thomas Jefferson, George Washington. The best decisions are made when men disagree and feel free to express that disagreement. When you limit expression you limit creativity.
First Amendment!!
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On that we shall disagree.
I see it as one more step toward becoming a socially-engineered robot who only speaks in government-approved, non-offensive terms.
Can't we all just get along? I say NO! Because when we all get along, nothing will ever be accomplished.
I believe in Patrick Henry, Thomas Jefferson, George Washington. The best decisions are made when men disagree and feel free to express that disagreement. When you limit expression you limit creativity.
First Amendment!!
See again hyperbole for the sake of it. Now you are way off your original topic, which I again agree with you on that the world is in a state of pussification.
It isn't about getting along with everyone, its about judging someone immediately because of the color of their skin.
I hate Obama and it sure has nothing to do with his skin color. In fact he should be disgraced for the fact that he is the first black president. People are going to continue to disagree, that we can agree on. ;)
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See again hyperbole for the sake of it. Now you are way off your original topic, which I again agree with you on that the world is in a state of pussification.
It isn't about getting along with everyone, its about judging someone immediately because of the color of their skin.
I hate Obama and it sure has nothing to do with his skin color. In fact he should be disgraced for the fact that he is the first black president. People are going to continue to disagree, that we can agree on. ;)
Sorry. A flag fell down and wrapped me in it.
What does "judging" have to do with anything? I watched an old show. Thought it was great people weren't self conscious about everything and had the capacity to laugh at themselves and at others without reservation. To be quite honest it looked to me as if they were A LOT less racist/sexist/offensive or whatever because there was none of the underlying tension that permeates everything today.
Others here just went on a rainbow rampage. They'd probably like Charles Nelson Reilly if they watched the show.
And FWIW? You make judgments on what you see. It's impossible not to. To pretend otherwise is ridiculous.
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What does "judging" have to do with anything?
Ask the Russian judge.
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I am not offended by slurs but I must admit I get upset with "big dick" comments and jokes.
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I am not offended by slurs but I must admit I get upset with "big dick" comments and jokes.
Well. It really isn't nice when somebody lies about you.
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This is Big Richard from Match Game.
(http://www.nndb.com/people/376/000022310/richarddawsonMG.jpg)
I don't think he gets enough credit for inventing "duck face"
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This is Big Richard from Match Game.
(http://www.nndb.com/people/376/000022310/richarddawsonMG.jpg)
I don't think he gets enough credit for inventing "duck face"
He used to make me uncomfortable when he hosted Family Fued. The way he made out with those women made me uncomfortable as a 10 year old...
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He used to make me uncomfortable when he hosted Family Fued. The way he made out with those women made me uncomfortable as a 10 year old...
Easily explained since you obviously had not come out at that point.
That man was a legend!
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Easily explained since you obviously had not come out at that point.
That man was a legend!
True...I kept thinking that one of the women's husbands were going to deck him...
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He used to make me uncomfortable when he hosted Family Fued. The way he made out with those women made me uncomfortable as a 10 year old...
I remember thinking that if his lips ever came near me, I would turn my head. Nasty.
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I remember thinking that if his lips ever came near me, I would turn my head. Nasty.
But you would not have sued him, right?