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The Library => Haley Center Basement => Topic started by: Saniflush on September 11, 2013, 06:47:59 AM
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(http://blog.tommcfeeley.com/content/twin-towers.jpg)
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And the masterminds behind this are still in the pre-trial process here. Milking our own damn system. They will be back in court starting Monday.
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Like it was yesterday. Seeing the pics makes it hit home and realize it could easily have been me or someone I know.
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I remember saying "this was no accident" when I saw the footage of the first plane crashing. At work, pretty much all production stopped and we gathered in the conference room and just watched in silence all day.
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Very eerie day. Was in my last semester of law school and drove up to Montgomery that morning. Just as I was getting out of the car at school, the radio announcer says "We've got a report of a plane hitting a building in New York. We'll try to get more for you on that."
I thought that was weird but didn't think too much about it until I walked in the school and saw several people gathered around a TV they had in the library. Walked in there and saw the coverage of one of the twin towers on fire where the plane hit it. Now it had my attention but you still wondered what in the world happened. We're standing around speculating. Suicide? Pilot error? Plane had mechanical failure? Why would a plane hit the.....Oh shit, the other tower got hit.
Now it wasn't a matter of what happened, only who and why? As the day went on, you heard about the attack on the Pentagon and the other plane that went down. Not having a clue what might happen next, the last place anyone wanted to be was in their normal daily routine. I remember driving home that night, talking to the wife about everything and noticing every gas station had lines out into the street. I just wanted to get home.
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Very eerie day. Was in my last semester of law school and drove up to Montgomery that morning. Just as I was getting out of the car at school, the radio announcer says "We've got a report of a plane hitting a building in New York. We'll try to get more for you on that."
I thought that was weird but didn't think too much about it until I walked in the school and saw several people gathered around a TV they had in the library. Walked in there and saw the coverage of one of the twin towers on fire where the plane hit it. Now it had my attention but you still wondered what in the world happened. We're standing around speculating. Suicide? Pilot error? Plane had mechanical failure? Why would a plane hit the.....Oh shit, the other tower got hit.
Now it wasn't a matter of what happened, only who and why? As the day went on, you heard about the attack on the Pentagon and the other plane that went down. Not having a clue what might happen next, the last place anyone wanted to be was in their normal daily routine. I remember driving home that night, talking to the wife about everything and noticing every gas station had lines out into the street. I just wanted to get home.
I remember thinking I hope Snaggle doesn't decide to come home early today.
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I remember thinking I hope Snaggle doesn't decide to come home early today.
Why in the world would you be hoping I didn't come......saaayyy....wait just a damn minute.
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I remember thinking I hope Snaggle doesn't decide to come home early today.
Coffee, meet monitor.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdIOjzOevEo
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Many forget or just don't give a shit. Every time I see an old pic or watch a movie with the twin towers in it, I start to get hot.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpoudLoc8sY
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I posted before about going to a church in NY that's been turned into a memorial to those who lost their lives. This incredibly old church was barely a block away from the towers and was the only building in that area that didn't receive damage. It was quickly set up as a command post and a place to bring wounded. It now has all kinds of memorabilia from pictures to firefighter uniforms, cards, letters etc. It's one of those places you go through and after coming out, nobody really says much. It just makes the whole thing more real and hit home. I'm headed to NY in December and plan on going back and also visiting the TT site now that it's open to visitors. Was under construction and fenced off back then.
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Many forget or just don't give a shit. Every time I see an old pic or watch a movie with the twin towers in it, I start to get hot.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpoudLoc8sY
And those are the same people who have never had to sacrifice anything for this country but yet want everything this country has to offer.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Wd6ZgWq5gA
Apparently the folks at every level of Alabama government don't give a shit. I'm ashamed.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Wd6ZgWq5gA
Apparently the folks at every level of Alabama government don't give a shit. I'm ashamed.
You and your kind aren't still sticking to the "inside job" story?
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You and your kind aren't still sticking to the "inside job" story?
There is not a shortage of aluminum foil hats. You know that right?
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Watched 3 different documentaries on the History Channel last night. The first was awesome. No narration. Just the occasional "clock" showing what time it was all happening. The show was just a montage of videos that people took. Everything from news reporters to cell phone videos. People in the towers, on the street, in adjacent buildings etc. Couldn't stop watching.
Another was of the 14 people, mostly firefighters, who survived in the stairwell of the 2nd tower. One guy said when they knew 100 floors were coming down on top of them, he just found a corner, got in the Moseley position and said, "Please let this be quick".
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Two thoughts that are poignant to me about that day are what must have been racing through the minds of the jumpers and the firemen who were walking up the stairs.
The decision to jump; I wonder how hard it was. I would assume when it's that hot, maybe it was easier than I could imagine.
The decision to walk up those stairs, I think harder. They seemed to be walking slow. One tower had already fallen, they had to realize that it was very close to a lost cause. I'm almost certain I don't have the guts.
I'm not cut out to be a first responder or a soldier but I certainly appreciate those who are.
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Two thoughts that are poignant to me about that day are what must have been racing through the minds of the jumpers and the firemen who were walking up the stairs.
The decision to jump; I wonder how hard it was. I would assume when it's that hot, maybe it was easier than I could imagine.
The decision to walk up those stairs, I think harder. They seemed to be walking slow. One tower had already fallen, they had to realize that it was very close to a lost cause. I'm almost certain I don't have the guts.
I'm not cut out to be a first responder or a soldier but I certainly appreciate those who are.
I would think first responders are trained just like I was in the army but for different things. You are taught (Trained) to run towards while everybody else runs from. (if that makes any sense?)
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I'm no conspiracy theorist, but I firmly believe we blew those towers up, in-order to lessen the carnage. I'm not saying the terrorism was staged or not real, what I am saying is that I think those buildings were going to be coming down like a tree falls, creating a lot more destruction and death. So the government made arrangements to lessen those casualties.
You watch the footage and there is absolutely no reason to believe that those towers should have collapsed the way they did. There are stories out from numerous engineers that back up this exact same claim.
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I'm no conspiracy theorist, but I firmly believe we blew those towers up, in-order to lessen the carnage. I'm not saying the terrorism was staged or not real, what I am saying is that I think those buildings were going to be coming down like a tree falls, creating a lot more destruction and death. So the government made arrangements to lessen those casualties.
You watch the footage and there is absolutely no reason to believe that those towers should have collapsed the way they did. There are stories out from numerous engineers that back up this exact same claim.
I don't remember but were there reports of hearing an explosion before the towers came down?
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You and your kind aren't still sticking to the "inside job" story?
Gunderson use to head the FBI in Mobile, AL. He has uncovered a lot of corruption and sexual perversion in DC too. He is the last of a dying breed of federal agents.
MOSSAD JOB!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRaezLTU2a0
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I don't remember but were there reports of hearing an explosion before the towers came down?
Which proves absolutely nothing. It's heresay at best. For every engineer or scientist who buys into the inside job load of crap, there are 100 more who debunk it. Ie Loose Change vs Screw Loose Change. If someone can show tangible proof, then fine. I've yet to see it. Just contextual hairbrained conspiracy theories carefully constructed to fit an already existing view. Alex Jones comes to mind.
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I'm no conspiracy theorist, but I firmly believe we blew those towers up, in-order to lessen the carnage. I'm not saying the terrorism was staged or not real, what I am saying is that I think those buildings were going to be coming down like a tree falls, creating a lot more destruction and death. So the government made arrangements to lessen those casualties.
You watch the footage and there is absolutely no reason to believe that those towers should have collapsed the way they did. There are stories out from numerous engineers that back up this exact same claim.
I try to never say never because there is so much that happens that we probably can't comprehend. Like the strong possiblity that we knew about the Pearl Harbor attack before it happened but let it happen in order to sway public opinion for us joining the war. Too far out? I don't think so.
It's a fact that governments must sway opinion and they use professionals that know how to do it. It doesn't always work but they are good at what they do.
My problem with the towers is that they didn't seem to crumble from the bottom to me. It looked like they came from the sections that were hit, straight down. And where was the explosion?
I'm not saying impossible but I certainly hope that if it is ever proven, somebody has to pay for letting more responders go in.
I will give you this. It was razed quite orderly, regardless of the reason. The destruction could have been much worse.
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No way we blew them up. First off, nobody had a clue they would actually come down. Second, no way anyone had time to strategically place the charges that would make buildings that size come down in that manner. Relatively speaking, the buildings crashed not long after the planes hit. Third, if your plan is to do that, you think they might alert the hundreds of firemen in the building below the fire?
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No way we blew them up. First off, nobody had a clue they would actually come down. Second, no way anyone had time to strategically place the charges that would make buildings that size come down in that manner. Relatively speaking, the buildings crashed not long after the planes hit. Third, if your plan is to do that, you think they might alert the hundreds of firemen in the building below the fire?
I think someone already mentioned this. Oh yeah, it was me. In the post right above yours.
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Zionist Silverstein was about to have to fork out big bucks to have the asbestos abated in those three buildings. Towers 1 & 2 and bldg seven. Bldg 7 housed the records related to the Ken Lay investigation. Not to mention all of the gold that was stolen. There were many reasons behind allowing the attacks to happen, including passing draconian terrorist legislation, control of the Eurasian continent, controlling the flow and ownership of crude and heroin, reinforcing the social and economic hierarchy through wars, profiteering for defense and private contractors which enriched Bush/Cheney et al (including the big banks) and the list goes on. I am convinced the government knew and did nothing.
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Science! Explosions can happen without bombs, c4 or man made controlled detonation. Just saying.
Materials scientist Christian Simensen believes that it is overwhelmingly likely that the two aircraft were trapped inside an insulating layer of building debris within the skyscrapers. This leads him to believe that it was the aircraft hulls rather than the buildings themselves that absorbed most of the heat from the burning aircraft fuel.
The SINTEF scientist believes that the heat melted the aluminium of the aircraft hulls, and the core of his theory is that molten aluminium then found its way downwards within the buildings through staircases and gaps in the floor -- and that the flowing aluminium underwent a chemical reaction with water from the sprinklers in the floors below.
"Both scientific experiments and 250 reported disasters suffered by the aluminium industry have shown that the combination of molten aluminium and water releases enormous explosions," says Simensen.
"Explosions demolished the towers"
Simensen continues: "I regard it as extremely likely that it was these explosions that made the skyscrapers collapse by tearing out part of the internal structure, and that this caused the uppermost floors of the buildings to fall and crush the lower parts. In other words, I believe that these were the explosions that were heard by people in the vicinity and that have since given life to the conspiracy theories that explosives had been placed in the skyscrapers."
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Zionist Silverstein was about to have to fork out big bucks to have the asbestos abated in those three buildings. Towers 1 & 2 and bldg seven. Bldg 7 housed the records related to the Ken Lay investigation. Not to mention all of the gold that was stolen. There were many reasons behind allowing the attacks to happen, including passing draconian terrorist legislation, control of the Eurasian continent, controlling the flow and ownership of crude and heroin, reinforcing the social and economic hierarchy through wars, profiteering for defense and private contractors which enriched Bush/Cheney et al (including the big banks) and the list goes on. I am convinced the government knew and did nothing.
You do know he lost money on the whole deal right? Look it up. With what he paid for the lease and the low occupancy. Think for yourself with facts for once and drop the rhetoric.
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Zionist Silverstein was about to have to fork out big bucks to have the asbestos abated in those three buildings. Towers 1 & 2 and bldg seven. Bldg 7 housed the records related to the Ken Lay investigation. Not to mention all of the gold that was stolen. There were many reasons behind allowing the attacks to happen, including passing draconian terrorist legislation, control of the Eurasian continent, controlling the flow and ownership of crude and heroin, reinforcing the social and economic hierarchy through wars, profiteering for defense and private contractors which enriched Bush/Cheney et al (including the big banks) and the list goes on. I am convinced the government knew and did nothing.
I did not know the part about the Eurasian continet but I had assumed all of the rest.
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No way we blew them up. First off, nobody had a clue they would actually come down. Second, no way anyone had time to strategically place the charges that would make buildings that size come down in that manner. Relatively speaking, the buildings crashed not long after the planes hit. Third, if your plan is to do that, you think they might alert the hundreds of firemen in the building below the fire?
What makes you think the charges weren't already in place?
I guess firmly believe was a little strongly worded on my part. All I'm saying is that I find it very interesting they collapsed the way they did.
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I think someone already mentioned this. Oh yeah, it was me. In the post right above yours.
I'm sorry. You thought I actually read your posts?
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I'm sorry. You thought I actually read your posts?
Anddddddd we have a battle in the wiregrass
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Anddddddd we have a battle in the wiregrass
I have you on ignore too.
Wait.....I mean, BATTLE!!!
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Anddddddd we have a battle in the wiregrass
Break out the band aids.
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Anddddddd we have a battle in the wiregrass
Said by many of "guys"
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Anddddddd we have a battle in the wiregrass
CRIPPLE FIGHT!
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CRIPPLE FIGHT!
I do believe you have it confused with Cullman.
Wiregrass would simply be a pillow fight.
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I do believe you have it confused with Cullman.
Wiregrass would simply be a pillow fight.
:fu:
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PLZ excuse any spelling or grammatical errors on my part.
No way we blew them up. First off, nobody had a clue they would actually come down. Second, no way anyone had time to strategically place the charges that would make buildings that size come down in that manner. Relatively speaking, the buildings crashed not long after the planes hit.
I'm not theorizing on how the buildings came down or how the Pentagon was hit, or what crashed into the ground in PA. I'm just saying the government knew and allowed it to happen. The explosions could have been anything from gas leaks to high voltage transformers. Also, thermate reactions are used to burn steel. Thermite is use in missiles resulting in a thermate reaction after the fact. Also, pictures of I-beams cut at a 45 degree angle were present in most magazines in the following days. Whether or not these were cut after the collapse is for someone else to answer. I watched the tribute thing-me on PBS (NOVA), and it was an exact regurgitation of the accounts given on that day by the government's 911 commission. There was also a guy that was interview ed (CNN) just after the collapse/attacks that suggested there was structural weakening resulting in the collapse of both buildings. WhereTF did this fucker come from? OBVIOUSLY a plant.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_u9Ni6jHfw
tl; already read
http://realityzone-realityzone.blogspot.com/2009/10/imperial-strategy-for-new-world-order.html
An Imperial Strategy for a New World Order: The Origins of World War III:
Part 1
by Andrew Gavin Marshall
Introduction
In the face of total global economic collapse, the prospects of a massive international war are increasing. Historically, periods of imperial decline and economic crisis are marked by increased international violence and war. The decline of the great European empires was marked by World War I and World War II, with the Great Depression taking place in the intermediary period.
Currently, the world is witnessing the decline of the American empire, itself a product born out of World War II. As the post-war imperial hegemon, America ran the international monetary system and reigned as champion and arbitrator of the global political economy.
To manage the global political economy, the US has created the single largest and most powerful military force in world history. Constant control over the global economy requires constant military presence and action.
Now that both the American empire and global political economy are in decline and collapse, the prospect of a violent end to the American imperial age is drastically increasing.
This essay is broken into three separate parts. The first part covers US-NATO geopolitical strategy since the end of the Cold War, at the beginning of the New World Order, outlining the western imperial strategy that led to the war in Yugoslavia and the “War on Terror.†Part 2 analyzes the nature of “soft revolutions†or “colour revolutions†in US imperial strategy, focusing on establishing hegemony over Eastern Europe and Central Asia. Part 3 analyzes the nature of the imperial strategy to construct a New World Order, focusing on the increasing conflicts in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iran, Latin America, Eastern Europe and Africa; and the potential these conflicts have for starting a new world war with China and Russia.
Read more>>>>http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=15686
The usual suspects are behind this curtain. ZBIG, PNAC, and many more. They have been setting the table for a long time. We are now living the [Grand Chess Game] in real time.
Here is the section on PNAC>>>>
The War on Terror and the Project for the New American Century (PNAC)
When Bill Clinton became President, the neo-conservative hawks from the George H.W. Bush administration formed a think tank called the Project for the New American Century, or PNAC. In 2000, they published a report called, Rebuilding America’s Defenses: Strategy, Forces, and Resources for a New Century. Building upon the Defense Policy Guidance document, they state that, “the United States must retain sufficient forces able to rapidly deploy and win multiple simultaneous large-scale wars.â€[23] Further, there is “need to retain sufficient combat forces to fight and win, multiple, nearly simultaneous major theatre wars,â€[24] and that “the Pentagon needs to begin to calculate the force necessary to protect, independently, US interests in Europe, East Asia and the Gulf at all times.â€[25]
Interestingly, the document stated that, “the United States has for decades sought to play a more permanent role in Gulf regional security. While the unresolved conflict with Iraq provides the immediate justification, the need for a substantial American force presence in the Gulf transcends the issue of the regime of Saddam Hussein.â€[26] However, in advocating for massive increases in defense spending and expanding the American empire across the globe, including the forceful destruction of multiple countries through major theatre wars, the report stated that, “Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event – like a new Pearl Harbor.â€[27] That event came one year later with the events of 9/11. Many of the authors of the report and members of the Project for the New American Century had become officials in the Bush administration, and were conveniently in place to enact their “Project†after they got their “new Pearl Harbor.â€
The plans for war were “already under development by far right Think Tanks in the 1990s, organisations in which cold-war warriors from the inner circle of the secret services, from evangelical churches, from weapons corporations and oil companies forged shocking plans for a new world order.†To do this, “the USA would need to use all means - diplomatic, economic and military, even wars of aggression - to have long term control of the resources of the planet and the ability to keep any possible rival weak.â€
Among the people involved in PNAC and the plans for empire, “Dick Cheney - Vice President, Lewis Libby - Cheney's Chief of Staff, Donald Rumsfeld - Defence Minister, Paul Wolfowitz - Rumsfeld's deputy, Peter Rodman - in charge of 'Matters of Global Security', John Bolton - State Secretary for Arms Control, Richard Armitage - Deputy Foreign Minister, Richard Perle - former Deputy Defence Minister under Reagan, now head of the Defense Policy Board, William Kristol - head of the PNAC and adviser to Bush, known as the brains of the President, Zalmay Khalilzad,†who became Ambassador to both Afghanistan and Iraq following the regime changes in those countries.[28]
http://www.amazon.com/The-Grand-Chessboard-Geostrategic-Imperatives/dp/0465027261
The Grand Chessboard presents Brzezinski’s bold and provocative geostrategic vision for American preeminence in the twenty-first century. Central to his analysis is the exercise of power on the Eurasian landmass, which is home to the greatest part of the globe’s population, natural resources, and economic activity. Stretching from Portugal to the Bering Strait, from Lapland to Malaysia, Eurasia is the â€grand chessboard†on which America’s supremacy will be ratified and challenged in the years to come. The task facing the United States, he argues, is to manage the conflicts and relationships in Europe, Asia, and the Middle East so that no rival superpower arises to threaten our interests or our well-being.The heart of The Grand Chessboard is Brzezinski’s analysis of the four critical regions of Eurasia and of the stakes for America in each arena—Europe, Russia, Central Asia, and East Asia.
Add to that the fact that the NSA is giving Israel information on every American and it gets pretty damn creepy. The bible tells us exactly what they are going to do and history confirms that the cycle is recurring. I dis all religion, period.
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What makes you think the charges weren't already in place?
I guess firmly believe was a little strongly worded on my part. All I'm saying is that I find it very interesting they collapsed the way they did.
I don't think they should have fallen on their own footprint, but instead, they should have fallen over to one side.
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I don't think they should have fallen on their own footprint, but instead, they should have fallen over to one side.
Look I think the theory of they knew it was gonna happen and let it is much more plausible than the inside job theory.
As far as it imploding, it's also very plausible considering there were explosions that happened from the different chemical reactions of elements mixing. You had electricity, water/hydrogen, fuel, fire, aluminum. Firefighters can also tell you this first hand. Explosions happen quite often in fires of that size. And when they do in a building of that size, you get the inward leaning collapse like you saw.
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Yeah, someone definitely planted the charges in the lower portion of the building before the attack, along with the diagonal cabling from low columns up to higher columns. Oh, and don't forget the smaller charges to weaken key column and beam sections to help once the big mechanism is initiated.
The towers were 225 feet square, if I recall. You think that gravity acting downwards can tip a block of the top of the tower (which is not actually a solid rigid block) over sideways to spill onto a different lot? Do you realize the amount of force exerted on the outward line of columns if they were actually acting as a fulcrum for that?
Those towers had clear "lease spans" out from the core to the perimeter "tube" of closely-spaced columns. Lose a few floors of framing, and the exterior columns lose their out-of-plane bracing. Couple that with the altered load path due to severed columns creating an increase in load in the un-severed columns, along with potential softening of the steel due to heat from the fire, and there is the collapse mechanism. Initially ductile, possibly inelastic buckling local to the impact. Once the mass started moving down, there is a continuing cycle of floors getting overloaded due to debris impact / pancaking, resulting in failure of floor framing and the loss of the floor diaphragm removing bracing for those next columns below.
If the planes hit higher, the whole building may not come down. The second plane with the banked impact took out more levels of structure, which led to that tower collapsing first.
Conspiracy is bullshit
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Yeah, someone definitely planted the charges in the lower portion of the building before the attack, along with the diagonal cabling from low columns up to higher columns. Oh, and don't forget the smaller charges to weaken key column and beam sections to help once the big mechanism is initiated.
The towers were 225 feet square, if I recall. You think that gravity acting downwards can tip a block of the top of the tower (which is not actually a solid rigid block) over sideways to spill onto a different lot? Do you realize the amount of force exerted on the outward line of columns if they were actually acting as a fulcrum for that?
Those towers had clear "lease spans" out from the core to the perimeter "tube" of closely-spaced columns. Lose a few floors of framing, and the exterior columns lose their out-of-plane bracing. Couple that with the altered load path due to severed columns creating an increase in load in the un-severed columns, along with potential softening of the steel due to heat from the fire, and there is the collapse mechanism. Initially ductile, possibly inelastic buckling local to the impact. Once the mass started moving down, there is a continuing cycle of floors getting overloaded due to debris impact / pancaking, resulting in failure of floor framing and the loss of the floor diaphragm removing bracing for those next columns below.
If the planes hit higher, the whole building may not come down. The second plane with the banked impact took out more levels of structure, which led to that tower collapsing first.
Conspiracy is bullshoot
^^All of this is what I was about to say.
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Yeah, someone definitely planted the charges in the lower portion of the building before the attack, along with the diagonal cabling from low columns up to higher columns. Oh, and don't forget the smaller charges to weaken key column and beam sections to help once the big mechanism is initiated.
The towers were 225 feet square, if I recall. You think that gravity acting downwards can tip a block of the top of the tower (which is not actually a solid rigid block) over sideways to spill onto a different lot? Do you realize the amount of force exerted on the outward line of columns if they were actually acting as a fulcrum for that?
Those towers had clear "lease spans" out from the core to the perimeter "tube" of closely-spaced columns. Lose a few floors of framing, and the exterior columns lose their out-of-plane bracing. Couple that with the altered load path due to severed columns creating an increase in load in the un-severed columns, along with potential softening of the steel due to heat from the fire, and there is the collapse mechanism. Initially ductile, possibly inelastic buckling local to the impact. Once the mass started moving down, there is a continuing cycle of floors getting overloaded due to debris impact / pancaking, resulting in failure of floor framing and the loss of the floor diaphragm removing bracing for those next columns below.
If the planes hit higher, the whole building may not come down. The second plane with the banked impact took out more levels of structure, which led to that tower collapsing first.
Conspiracy is bullshit
I've always found it feasible to pancake downward. Good info.
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Yeah, someone definitely planted the charges in the lower portion of the building before the attack, along with the diagonal cabling from low columns up to higher columns. Oh, and don't forget the smaller charges to weaken key column and beam sections to help once the big mechanism is initiated.
The towers were 225 feet square, if I recall. You think that gravity acting downwards can tip a block of the top of the tower (which is not actually a solid rigid block) over sideways to spill onto a different lot? Do you realize the amount of force exerted on the outward line of columns if they were actually acting as a fulcrum for that?
Those towers had clear "lease spans" out from the core to the perimeter "tube" of closely-spaced columns. Lose a few floors of framing, and the exterior columns lose their out-of-plane bracing. Couple that with the altered load path due to severed columns creating an increase in load in the un-severed columns, along with potential softening of the steel due to heat from the fire, and there is the collapse mechanism. Initially ductile, possibly inelastic buckling local to the impact. Once the mass started moving down, there is a continuing cycle of floors getting overloaded due to debris impact / pancaking, resulting in failure of floor framing and the loss of the floor diaphragm removing bracing for those next columns below.
If the planes hit higher, the whole building may not come down. The second plane with the banked impact took out more levels of structure, which led to that tower collapsing first.
Conspiracy is bullshoot
Ok, so you're saying it's probably bombs. Gotcha.
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Ok, so you're saying it's probably bombs. Gotcha.
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2i43wByNw1qf9if6o1_500.jpg)
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Yeah, someone definitely planted the charges in the lower portion of the building before the attack, along with the diagonal cabling from low columns up to higher columns. Oh, and don't forget the smaller charges to weaken key column and beam sections to help once the big mechanism is initiated.
The towers were 225 feet square, if I recall. You think that gravity acting downwards can tip a block of the top of the tower (which is not actually a solid rigid block) over sideways to spill onto a different lot? Do you realize the amount of force exerted on the outward line of columns if they were actually acting as a fulcrum for that?
Those towers had clear "lease spans" out from the core to the perimeter "tube" of closely-spaced columns. Lose a few floors of framing, and the exterior columns lose their out-of-plane bracing. Couple that with the altered load path due to severed columns creating an increase in load in the un-severed columns, along with potential softening of the steel due to heat from the fire, and there is the collapse mechanism. Initially ductile, possibly inelastic buckling local to the impact. Once the mass started moving down, there is a continuing cycle of floors getting overloaded due to debris impact / pancaking, resulting in failure of floor framing and the loss of the floor diaphragm removing bracing for those next columns below.
If the planes hit higher, the whole building may not come down. The second plane with the banked impact took out more levels of structure, which led to that tower collapsing first.
Conspiracy is bullshit
So from an engineering standpoint, if everyone had put the fire out an gathered on that floor and held their hands up, they could have held the building up until crews came with braces?
I do do not understand engineering.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqiVpeIw-m0
An Italian MP has described the 9/11 terrorist attacks, in which around 3,000 people were killed, as “an inside job†and slammed the official version of events as a “conspiracyâ€.
Paolo Bernini, an MP for the Five Star Movement (M5S) was speaking in parliament on Wednesday, the 12th anniversary of the attacks.
He said that the official version of the event has been “proved wrong from every point of viewâ€.
“It’s clearly false and by now, the world has realized.â€
On 11th September 2001 terrorists hijacked four planes in the US; two crashed into New York’s World Trade Centre, another struck the Pentagon in Washington, while the fourth crashed in Pennsylvania after passengers fought against the hijackers.
But Bernini believes the account of what happened is a “conspiracyâ€.
“We will probably never know the truth, but it is definitely completely different to the story told by mainstream media. In which case you can say that everything that you know is false and, as the American phrase goes, ‘It was an inside job’,†he said.
The 26-year-old, elected in February in the central Emilia-Romagna region, went on to elaborate on Twitter.
“If someone can show me a video where you can clearly see the plane hitting the Pentagon (the most watched place in the world)…I will resign,†Bernini wrote.
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http://www.hangthebankers.com/911-was-an-inside-job-italian-mp-in-parliament/
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I've always found it feasible to pancake downward. Good info.
Of course it is. Every structural collapse and/or building construction class that I attended in my 14 years of firefighting included pancake collapse. It is a risk for any multi-story structure fire. The twin towers situation was a textbook pancake collapse, and makes complete sense. It is the same concept as fires in large span buildings (grocery stores, Lowes, etc) causing failure of a roof system. Had they hit closer to the top, maybe the weakened compenents would have held because less weight on them. But where it was, once the top starts coming down, there is too much weight to be stopped dead.
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Of course it is. Every structural collapse and/or building construction class that I attended in my 14 years of firefighting included pancake collapse. It is a risk for any multi-story structure fire. The twin towers situation was a textbook pancake collapse, and makes complete sense. It is the same concept as fires in large span buildings (grocery stores, Lowes, etc) causing failure of a roof system. Had they hit closer to the top, maybe the weakened compenents would have held because less weight on them. But where it was, once the top starts coming down, there is too much weight to be stopped dead.
Yeah but that makes sense. A conspiracy with no proof is much more entertaining.
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Of course it is. Every structural collapse and/or building construction class that I attended in my 14 years of firefighting included pancake collapse. It is a risk for any multi-story structure fire. The twin towers situation was a textbook pancake collapse, and makes complete sense. It is the same concept as fires in large span buildings (grocery stores, Lowes, etc) causing failure of a roof system. Had they hit closer to the top, maybe the weakened compenents would have held because less weight on them. But where it was, once the top starts coming down, there is too much weight to be stopped dead.
Now that your overpriced bammer edumacation finally paid off, I still think the fucking government knew and stood down and/or participated in some capacity. We can discuss the collapse ad nauseum, however, the real story is the government's complacency and/or participation in said attacks.
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Now that your overpriced bammer edumacation finally paid off, I still think the fucking government knew and stood down and/or participated in some capacity. We can discuss the collapse ad nauseum, however, the real story is the government's complacency and/or participation in said attacks.
You know he's a firefighter right? They do know a tiny bit about fire science. He will probably tell you one of the basic tenants of firefighting is that they like to have the water and electricity shutoff to the burning structure if at all possible. When those two combine with certain metal elements internal explosions WILL happen. It's happened and is documented. It's been done in labs and has happened in real fires. But these gut feeling conspiracy theories? They hold no weight. None
I think you'd be better off sticking with the "they knew but let it happen" line of thought. That can be debated with a lot of the evidence we have that they were complacent or just flat out ignored warnings. Inside job? Good luck with your evidence-less witch hunt.
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You know he's a firefighter right? They do know a tiny bit about fire science. He will probably tell you one of the basic tenants of firefighting is that they like to have the water and electricity shutoff to the burning structure if at all possible. When those two combine with certain metal elements internal explosions WILL happen. It's happened and is documented. It's been done in labs and has happened in real fires. But these gut feeling conspiracy theories? They hold no weight. None
I think you'd be better off sticking with the "they knew but let it happen" line of thought. That can be debated with a lot of the evidence we have that they were complacent or just flat out ignored warnings. Inside job? Good luck with your evidence-less witch hunt.
So we're sticking with bombs?
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So we're sticking with bombs?
"Charges"
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"Charges"
Stupid credit cards. I knew it.
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I could sware that's what i stress. Oh, and that's why we electwisans put shunt trip main brkrs for indoor mains. NFPA member here.
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Now that your overpriced bammer edumacation finally paid off, I still think the fucking government knew and stood down and/or participated in some capacity. We can discuss the collapse ad nauseum, however, the real story is the government's complacency and/or participation in said attacks.
You are dead fucking wrong dumb ass!!
Everyone knows that RWS is a side walk Alabama fan...
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You are dead fucking wrong dumb ass!!
Everyone knows that RWS is a side walk Alabama fan...
Da hussel wuz strong
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Now that your overpriced bammer edumacation finally paid off, I still think the fucking government knew and stood down and/or participated in some capacity. We can discuss the collapse ad nauseum, however, the real story is the government's complacency and/or participation in said attacks.
This guy did it. I saw him buy the bomb.
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-mPS67zxIJd4/UBC_pLGQCCI/AAAAAAAAJYk/x4r3P1IfBzc/s1600/title00_204733532.jpg)
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This guy did it. I saw him buy the bomb.
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-mPS67zxIJd4/UBC_pLGQCCI/AAAAAAAAJYk/x4r3P1IfBzc/s1600/title00_204733532.jpg)
A BUH!