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The Library => Haley Center Basement => Topic started by: Vandy Vol on August 02, 2013, 07:42:10 PM
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Got a question for the gun nuts out there.
I inherited my dad's Remington Woodsmaster Model 742 (and have yet to shoot my eye out). Externally, the rifle appears to have been taken care of. Internally, however, I suspect that there's some rust and/or gun powder build up, as the bolt action won't pull back to unload the magazine, nor will the magazine budge. To make matters worse, the screw on the forearm will not budge, so I can't disassemble the gun to try to remove the bullets and see what's going on with the inside.
This model is known to be bad about jamming if it's not cleaned after each use. That may sound like solid advice for any gun, but this model is really bad about it from what I've read. It literally has to be spotless, or else it will jam or develop rust in the chamber or gas system. It looks like it got jammed, and my dad said, "Fuck it," threw it in a closet, and let it sit there for God knows how many years. Although I can see why the chamber and action might be all fucked up with rust, I'm confused as to why the forearm screw is stuck.
Any suggestions on what to do? Soak the gun in some sort of solvent, or spray solvent in the chamber and around the magazine to hopefully loosen up the rust? The most obvious answer is to take it to a gunsmith, but I'd rather deal with it myself if I can.
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Not sure about the current jam but for starters get yourself a can of break free and soak it down good. That should break it loose. I'll be happy to look at it in a couple of weeks when I'm over there.
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Not sure about the current jam but for starters get yourself a can of break free and soak it down good. That should break it loose. I'll be happy to look at it in a couple of weeks when I'm over there.
Thanks...I'll give it a whirl. Should I be cautious about where it's sprayed, or is it safe for any part of the gun? Obviously the break free will be cleaned off once I can get it apart, but just wanted to make sure that it's not going to cause any permanent issues if sprayed in a certain area, sprayed in excess, left on for too long, etc.
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Nah, you can't use too much of it. It is the commercial version of what we used in the corps. When I put my guns up I leave a heavy coat of it on all metal parts. It won't hurt the non metal parts but you will want to wipe it off of them just so they aren't greasy.
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Nah, you can't use too much of it. It is the commercial version of what we used in the corps. When I put my guns up I leave a heavy coat of it on all metal parts. It won't hurt the non metal parts but you will want to wipe it off of them just so they aren't greasy.
Sweet...the "you can't fuck this up" option is always the best. I'll give it a try within the next couple of days and give an update. I'll buy you a beer or three when you get to town.
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I'll buy you a beer or three when you get to town. Maybe slip a roofie or two in them, get out the can of break free, and then I'll go to town.
fixt
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fixt
I'm definitely going to need two roofies for his big ass.
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Uh. If it jammed on him while loaded, be very careful. I have one of these and it has NEVER jammed. Like any auto, it has to stay clean and lubricated.
Like has been said, soak it down. WD 40 can help brake it loose also. After you get it loose, you can clean the extra oil off of it and just apply a thin coat of gun oil.
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Uh. If it jammed on him while loaded, be very careful. I have one of these and it has NEVER jammed. Like any auto, it has to stay clean and lubricated.
Like has been said, soak it down. WD 40 can help brake it loose also. After you get it loose, you can clean the extra oil off of it and just apply a thin coat of gun oil.
I'm not actually sure if it jammed on him, or if he just put it away loaded and the gun powder has allowed to set and/or rust has developed. It might just be that he left it loaded, and it wasn't jammed, but has rusted...the other rifle he had (Winchester Model 94, 30-30) was loaded as well, but it was operational enough to get the bullets out. Haven't had a chance to break that one down yet, as it's apparently a bitch to get disassembled.
Tried WD-40 on the jammed/rusted Remingtom and haven't had any luck yet. I'm hoping the Breakfree is better at breaking up the rust than WD-40. Based on my innerwebs searches, it looks like it is, but we'll see. It may not even be rust, but I have a hard time believing it's not...nothing will budge on the fucker, so I don't see what else it could be. A jammed bullet shouldn't cause the magazine to not come out, and it definitely shouldn't cause the forearm screw to not come out.
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I guess if we don't hear from you in like two days we can assume you have shot yourself?
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I jammed my rifle over and over this weekend and found it quite enjoyable. I jammed it to the east and I jammed it to the west.
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I jammed my rifle over and over this weekend and found it quite enjoyable. I jammed it to the east and I jammed it to the west.
Jammed it to the woman that you love the best?
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Jammed it to the woman that you love the best?
How did you know? Have you been jamming her too?
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How did you know? Have you been jamming her too?
Every waking moment.
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Every waking moment.
Oh, yeah, well, you don't jam as deep as I jam, so. Whatever.
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I guess if we don't hear from you in like two days we can assume you have shot yourself?
Either that or I scheduled another two day blow job marathon.
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I have a 7400 (model that replaced the 742). After you get it fixed one tip that I will give you is that when you load the mag make sure the rounds are pushed as far rearward as possible. That will help keep it from jamming.
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Look at the thread title and author. I am pretty certain this thread is not even about a gun.
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I have a 7400 (model that replaced the 742). After you get it fixed one tip that I will give you is that when you load the mag make sure the rounds are pushed as far rearward as possible. That will help keep it from jamming.
Thanks for the tip! I was thinking about having it converted to a pump action, as the manual loading action would be less likely to jam. However, I don't hunt or otherwise do long range shooting (at least not yet), so converting the gun for reliability's sake may not be worthwhile at this point. Plus the gas-operated reloading is more efficient if it works correctly. Not to mention that I don't even know if it's jammed, I just assumed that was the reason it was put away loaded and left to sit for years.
I'll probably be a little more strict about cleaning it than my dad was, especially if I don't fire it often. My dad hunted deer fairly frequently years ago, so he may have just been lazy about cleaning it after every use, whereas I won't be using it as much and cleaning it after every use wouldn't be such a pain for me. So if frequent cleaning and loading of the magazine like you suggested solves the (potential) jamming issue, then I probably won't convert it to a pump action.
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Look at the thread title and author. I am pretty certain this thread is not even about a gun.
Sure it is...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eyDBLTApEUo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eyDBLTApEUo)
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Thanks for the tip! I was thinking about having it converted to a pump action, as the manual loading action would be less likely to jam. However, I don't hunt or otherwise do long range shooting (at least not yet), so converting the gun for reliability's sake may not be worthwhile at this point. Plus the gas-operated reloading is more efficient if it works correctly. Not to mention that I don't even know if it's jammed, I just assumed that was the reason it was put away loaded and left to sit for years.
I'll probably be a little more strict about cleaning it than my dad was, especially if I don't fire it often. My dad hunted deer fairly frequently years ago, so he may have just been lazy about cleaning it after every use, whereas I won't be using it as much and cleaning it after every use wouldn't be such a pain for me. So if frequent cleaning and loading of the magazine like you suggested solves the (potential) jamming issue, then I probably won't convert it to a pump action.
Why even bother? If you want a pump, they are cheap. If you want a gun your dad has used, then fix it for old times sake. Or sell it to me for a $100.
If you are just target shooting and gun jams, you just cycle it. I have never heard of one of these jamming shut. Mostly just mis-feeds or misfires that are referred to erroneously as a jam.
Once you get the action free and cleaned up, you should be fine.
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Any suggestions on how long to let the Break Free do its work? Just sprayed a shit ton in the action, around the magazine, and inside the rifle butt's screw hole (insert buttsecks joke here), but there's still no movement.
This shit smells horrendous, so if it doesn't work, I'm not sure what else will. Just tried the Break Free Powder Blast, but I also picked up a can of Break Free CLP. The CLP seems to be a combination of cleaner, lubricant, and preservative, so I figured I'd try the Powder Blast first, as it seems to be just a cleaner/solvent.
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On closer inspection, I don't think this is a rust issue. It looks like there is a bullet that didn't completely load. It is just slightly above the next bullet in the magazine, but looks like it is more to the side of that bullet and is catching the lip of the magazine. This would explain why the action isn't working, as it can't move back with the bullet in the way caught on the magazine...if that makes sense.
I don't really see why the magazine would not come out because of this. Also, I have no fucking clue why the screw on the forearm won't budge so that I can break the damn thing down to try and unload/unjam it from the inside.
This was the best picture I could get given the small space that you can see into the chamber:
(http://www.imageshack.com/scaled/large/842/nggd.jpg)
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Any suggestions on how long to let the Break Free do its work?
I'm no gunsmith, but I'd say until it breaks free. :rimshot:
Seriously though, leaving it on for a day wouldn't hurt. After this period of time, check it to see if it did the trick. If you notice movement, give it another shot and try it again the following morning.
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The powder blast stuff has no value except if you are shooting a lot of black powder and are not going to be able to clean you gun for an extended period of time.
I'll look at it next weekend if you don't have it sorted out yet by then.
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On closer inspection, I don't think this is a rust issue. It looks like there is a bullet that didn't completely load. It is just slightly above the next bullet in the magazine, but looks like it is more to the side of that bullet and is catching the lip of the magazine. This would explain why the action isn't working, as it can't move back with the bullet in the way caught on the magazine...if that makes sense.
I don't really see why the magazine would not come out because of this. Also, I have no fudgeing clue why the screw on the forearm won't budge so that I can break the damn thing down to try and unload/unjam it from the inside.
This was the best picture I could get given the small space that you can see into the chamber:
(http://www.imageshack.com/scaled/large/842/nggd.jpg)
Regarding the forearm screw... If I remember right from way back when I mounted a sling swivel to that screw those things are torqued down and loctited on from the factory like you would not believe. I had to take mine to a smith to get him to put it in his vise and use some special tool to get it off.
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OK. OK. I hear ya! $110?
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The powder blast stuff has no value except if you are shooting a lot of black powder and are not going to be able to clean you gun for an extended period of time.
I'll look at it next weekend if you don't have it sorted out yet by then.
I got the CPL as well, but tried the Powder Blast first. However, upon taking a closer look at the inside, I don't think it's a rust issue. I couldn't get a good enough angle for the picture, but I can see that the partially chambered bullet is hung up on the edge/lip of the magazine. It just didn't make it all the way out of the magazine and into the chamber, so the action can't pull back because the bullet is stopping it.
Would this cause the magazine not to come out? I've never unloaded the magazine on this gun, but I know where the release mechanism is at; it just won't do anything.
Regarding the forearm screw... If I remember right from way back when I mounted a sling swivel to that screw those things are torqued down and loctited on from the factory like you would not believe. I had to take mine to a smith to get him to put it in his vise and use some special tool to get it off.
That would explain it. I thought maybe getting a larger flathead would give me a little more torque, but if the factory screws and loctites it in, then I may have to take it in to a gunsmith.
However, there is a sling swivel on the screw, so unless they came standard on some models, I would assume my dad had taken it apart at some point to install the swivel. Unless he had someone else install the swivel and they also tightened the screw like a mofo. But then again, I have a hard time believing my dad had not taken the gun apart at some point in time to clean it, and he wouldn't have gone to this extreme to tighten the screw after putting it back together.
But given that there's no rust that I can see externally or internally, I also have a hard time believing that it would be anything other than extreme torque that's holding the screw in. Maybe the gun jammed on him pretty early on and he never actually cleaned the thing, therefore never taking the screw off? I have no clue...he's passed and my mom doesn't know diddly about what he did or didn't do with his guns.
OK. OK. I hear ya! $110?
To repair, restore, and clean it for me? Deal!
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I'll say it again...please don't shoot yourself.
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I'll say it again...please don't shoot yourself.
Actually...... If this thing is loaded and you can't unchamber the round, I would be taking it to a gunsmith myself to get it fixed.
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PSA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRIr7c35zuY
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Actually...... If this thing is loaded and you can't unchamber the round, I would be taking it to a gunsmith myself to get it fixed.
I'm probably going to have to wind up doing that, but if I could get the forearm screw out to disassemble it, then I could get it unloaded. Afterall, this is what a gunsmith would do...I don't see any other way to unload a gun that won't cycle due to a bullet being halfway out of the magazine.
The round isn't chambered (as it's not even completely out of the magazine), the safety is on, and the action can't move due to the bullet's location, so the rifle randomly firing is the least of my worries. It's always a worry when you're working with a loaded gun, of course, but when the bullet jammed in there like this 20+ years ago and sat in a closet ever since then, it's a very low likelihood that the thing is going to randomly fire.
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ll67glVjfV1qijfqzo1_400.gif)
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Look down the barrel and tell me what you see.
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Look down the barrel and tell me what you see.
Nothing as of right now, but in a few seconds I might see a bright white light...