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The Library => Haley Center Basement => Topic started by: bottomfeeder on May 20, 2013, 04:54:03 PM
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Two schools wiped out, don't know specifics on injuries yet.
http://wgnradio.com/2013/05/19/live-video-tornadoes-in-oklahoma/
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Holy crap. Mind blowing how bad those things can be. I can't see how the death toll won't be way up there unless there was big time advanced warning and underground shelters are the norm out there.
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Is it bad that I'm wishing these things on another place? Because I am.
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Is it bad that I'm wishing these things on another place? Because I am.
I don't think they have many tornadoes in North Korea. Usually it's those sunami.....oh wait....you meant....oh, that's bad.
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Is it bad that I'm wishing these things on another place? Because I am.
Triumph to Tragedy
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I don't think they have many tornadoes in North Korea. Usually it's those sunami.....oh wait....you meant....oh, that's bad.
What I meant is not what you might think.
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Holy crap. Mind blowing how bad those things can be. I can't see how the death toll won't be way up there unless there was big time advanced warning and underground shelters are the norm out there.
I think they had a 30 minute warning. Hundreds of horse dead, along with other animals.
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Gary! Hey Gary!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIR4A3KQ-zA
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Damn...at least 24 kids killed. Prayers out to the folks in OK.
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Damn...at least 24 kids killed. Prayers out to the folks in OK.
You know it's as bad as it gets when 3 hours after the storm hit the reporter says, "They've officially called the operation in this neighborhood a search & recover. It's no longer a search and rescue."
In other words, if you weren't underground, you ceased to exist.
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You know it's as bad as it gets when 3 hours after the storm hit the reporter says, "They've officially called the operation in this neighborhood a search & recover. It's no longer a search and rescue."
In other words, if you weren't underground, you ceased to exist.
I read this morning though that they actually found over 100 people that were buried under the rubble all in one place. That is nothing short of a miracle.
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I read this morning though that they actually found over 100 people that were buried under the rubble all in one place. That is nothing short of a miracle.
No question about it. You look at those scenes and wonder how anyone could survive.
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Dang...it's really dusty in my office today.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=653577151323552 (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=653577151323552)
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If the government wants to piss away money, then I suggest they do it on a good cause. Every home in those flat ares should have a subsidy to put some sort of underground shelter at each house. (this would not be wasted money)
There has to be some sort of very reasonable shelter that can be installed. They wasted millions in New Orleans with little to no return. Help these folks for future events such as this.
I wonder if these folks will get the relief that NO and NJ got. Or if they are just a bunch of midwesterners that nobody cares about.
The finger of God is a devastating thing. God help and bless the families affected.
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The finger of God is a devastating thing. God help and bless the families affected.
I get so confused.
Is this when god has a plan or is he working in mysterious ways here?
PS - the finger of god is no match for the fist of Jumbo.
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Help crews are leaving Dallas this morning.
They say we have a similar cold front building to the west and moving this way this afternoon. Could be a bumby afternoon.
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Help crews are leaving Dallas this morning.
They say we have a similar cold front building to the west and moving this way this afternoon. Could be a bumby afternoon.
I wonder if OK will stop them at the state line and send them back because they are not union?
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I get so confused.
Is this when god has a plan or is he working in mysterious ways here?
PS - the finger of god is no match for the fist of Jumbo.
Hopefully, this won't open this thread up to a religious debate. However, this is a good example of what I believe concerning God. While I do think there are times God intervenes in life, there is no way anyone could make me believe that God is up in Heaven, pushing buttons and pulling levers, deciding who lives and who dies today. What can I do today? Hmmm....think I'll send a few F5 tornadoes through the Midwest and really fruck things up. Yeah, that'll teach em' a lesson. Not sure they'll understand the lesson, but that's okay. If they don't, I'll just send that jet into the side of a mountain and kill all 300 people aboard. Wait, no. Some widlfires that will wipe out hundreds of homes might work better.
Several years back, some friends of ours lost their infant child to spinal menengitis. We were in line at visitation and just before we got to our friends, this lady in front of us was trying to tell them that God has a plan and don't question why this happened. When I finally resisted the urge to punch her lights out, I thought if God really did decide He wanted to take this couple's child from them, then that's not a God I want anything to do with. But people believe that. And plenty of people believe that God decided to wipe whole cities out with storms the last few days.
How about leaving God out of this as far as the cause and just accept that when different weather systems converge, bad stuff can and often does happen. Humans are imperfect and the planes they build don't always work at 100%. Some idiot carelessly throws a lit cigarette butt out the car window and fires start that devastate people's lives.
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How about leaving God out of this as far as the cause and just accept that when different weather systems converge, bad stuff can and often does happen. Humans are imperfect and the planes they build don't always work at 100%. Some idiot carelessly throw a lit cigarette butt out the car window and fires start that devastate people's lives.
That's what I was saying...without the snark.
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It was a meat-of-four!
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Hopefully, this won't open this thread up to a religious debate. However, this is a good example of what I believe concerning God. While I do think there are times God intervenes in life, there is no way anyone could make me believe that God is up in Heaven, pushing buttons and pulling levers, deciding who lives and who dies today. What can I do today? Hmmm....think I'll send a few F5 tornadoes through the Midwest and really fruck things up. Yeah, that'll teach em' a lesson. Not sure they'll understand the lesson, but that's okay. If they don't, I'll just send that jet into the side of a mountain and kill all 300 people aboard. Wait, no. Some widlfires that will wipe out hundreds of homes might work better.
Several years back, some friends of ours lost their infant child to spinal menengitis. We were in line at visitation and just before we got to our friends, this lady in front of us was trying to tell them that God has a plan and don't question why this happened. When I finally resisted the urge to punch her lights out, I thought if God really did decide He wanted to take this couple's child from them, then that's not a God I want anything to do with. But people believe that. And plenty of people believe that God decided to wipe whole cities out with storms the last few days.
How about leaving God out of this as far as the cause and just accept that when different weather systems converge, bad stuff can and often does happen. Humans are imperfect and the planes they build don't always work at 100%. Some idiot carelessly throws a lit cigarette butt out the car window and fires start that devastate people's lives.
Spot on, I have some very religious friends which I don’t mind as they have their believes and I have my mind, but when they start spouting about how this was god’s plan, I really want to ask them at what part of his divine plan includes killing innocent children and brining devastation to a region who had similar devastation in 1999.
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Thunder boomers are on there way: Projected 4:00pm weather
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Thunder boomers are on there way: Projected 4:00pm weather
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God is mad with the people of Grapevine?
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Hopefully, this won't open this thread up to a religious debate. However, this is a good example of what I believe concerning God. While I do think there are times God intervenes in life, there is no way anyone could make me believe that God is up in Heaven, pushing buttons and pulling levers, deciding who lives and who dies today. What can I do today? Hmmm....think I'll send a few F5 tornadoes through the Midwest and really fruck things up. Yeah, that'll teach em' a lesson. Not sure they'll understand the lesson, but that's okay. If they don't, I'll just send that jet into the side of a mountain and kill all 300 people aboard. Wait, no. Some widlfires that will wipe out hundreds of homes might work better.
Several years back, some friends of ours lost their infant child to spinal menengitis. We were in line at visitation and just before we got to our friends, this lady in front of us was trying to tell them that God has a plan and don't question why this happened. When I finally resisted the urge to punch her lights out, I thought if God really did decide He wanted to take this couple's child from them, then that's not a God I want anything to do with. But people believe that. And plenty of people believe that God decided to wipe whole cities out with storms the last few days.
How about leaving God out of this as far as the cause and just accept that when different weather systems converge, bad stuff can and often does happen. Humans are imperfect and the planes they build don't always work at 100%. Some idiot carelessly throws a lit cigarette butt out the car window and fires start that devastate people's lives.
Word. Had something similar happen to me about 7 years ago. and the people saying things like that did a lot of damage in my return to the church. I was bitter about those comments and thought process for a long time. It still bothers me to think about...
I kind of understand what they were trying to say...but to hear something like that from someone who has no earthly idea what it feels like to feel that pain, pissed me off to no end...
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Of course, now I go to a church where the preacher kind of puts it in to perspective by saying, "If the church you attend or the people that attend your church haven't pissed you off at some point, you haven't been going to that church long enough."
I think that applies to that logic as well...
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God is mad with the people of Grapevine?
With all the construction going on in Grapevine, I don't blame him.
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With all the construction going on in Grapevine, I don't blame him.
But it will be nice when finished...
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But it will be nice when finished...
We will most likley have Jetson like transportation by then.
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Hopefully, this won't open this thread up to a religious debate. However, this is a good example of what I believe concerning God. While I do think there are times God intervenes in life, there is no way anyone could make me believe that God is up in Heaven, pushing buttons and pulling levers, deciding who lives and who dies today. What can I do today? Hmmm....think I'll send a few F5 tornadoes through the Midwest and really fruck things up. Yeah, that'll teach em' a lesson. Not sure they'll understand the lesson, but that's okay. If they don't, I'll just send that jet into the side of a mountain and kill all 300 people aboard. Wait, no. Some widlfires that will wipe out hundreds of homes might work better.
Several years back, some friends of ours lost their infant child to spinal menengitis. We were in line at visitation and just before we got to our friends, this lady in front of us was trying to tell them that God has a plan and don't question why this happened. When I finally resisted the urge to punch her lights out, I thought if God really did decide He wanted to take this couple's child from them, then that's not a God I want anything to do with. But people believe that. And plenty of people believe that God decided to wipe whole cities out with storms the last few days.
How about leaving God out of this as far as the cause and just accept that when different weather systems converge, bad stuff can and often does happen. Humans are imperfect and the planes they build don't always work at 100%. Some idiot carelessly throws a lit cigarette butt out the car window and fires start that devastate people's lives.
My approach is likely too simplistic but I kind of justify the bad things happening to good people in my mind by telling myself that there are things that we just aren't capable of understanding. And that there is some good that can come out of bad things, even though it seems impossible to connect the dots. That's not much but it's all I got.
There were people who were punished in the bible but I can't go along with everything that happens bad is punishment. Those of us who are believers have likely all questioned the bad things before. We don't know why. Maybe that's why they call it faith instead of certainty. If it was all good all of the time, it would be a lot easier to believe for sure.
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My approach is likely too simplistic but I kind of justify the bad things happening to good people in my mind by telling myself that there are things that we just aren't capable of understanding. And that there is some good that can come out of bad things, even though it seems impossible to connect the dots. That's not much but it's all I got.
There were people who were punished in the bible but I can't go along with everything that happens bad is punishment. Those of us who are believers have likely all questioned the bad things before. We don't know why. Maybe that's why they call it faith instead of certainty. If it was all good all of the time, it would be a lot easier to believe for sure.
I have alot of questions-one being:
Man wrote the bible based on the word of god, if man is imperfect what makes you think he would write this as it needed to be.
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I have alot of questions-one being:
Man wrote the bible based on the word of god, if man is imperfect what makes you think he would write this as it needed to be.
I told you not to turn this into a religious debate. Now see what you've done?
There's a lot of troof in what you just wrote....in my mind anyway.
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I have alot of questions-one being:
Man wrote the bible based on the word of god, if man is imperfect what makes you think he would write this as it needed to be.
The bible is the work of over 60 writers over a time frame of 1500 years with very little interaction from most writers themselves...and they still managed to write a coherent book with basically the same ideas and theme all the way around. Seems pretty unrealistic that that could happen any other way than divine intervention.
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I have alot of questions-one being:
Man wrote the bible based on the word of god, if man is imperfect what makes you think he would write this as it needed to be.
If God truly is omnipotent and omnipresent AND he used man to write his words, I feel like he'll make sure they are correct. At the same time, along the same lines of what you are saying, a group of men met and decided which books made the cut and which ones didn't. So, I assume their decision was divinely inspired as well.
But while we're at it, since we are supposed to be in an ever expanding universe since the supposed big bang, what is on the other side of the expansion?
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I told you not to turn this into a religious debate. Now see what you've done?
There's a lot of troof in what you just wrote....in my mind anyway.
Origin Cuneiform. It was twisted to a certain religious intent and to control an entire globe.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKZhd3mJeBE
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The bible is the work of over 60 writers over a time frame of 1500 years with very little interaction from most writers themselves...and they still managed to write a coherent book with basically the same ideas and theme all the way around. Seems pretty unrealistic that that could happen any other way than divine intervention.
Four Rabbis discussed how the Moses story was to be written.
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Four Rabbis discussed how the Moses story was to be written.
You may have a point if I knew you didn't think 911 was an inside job...
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Hopefully, this won't open this thread up to a religious debate. However, this is a good example of what I believe concerning God. While I do think there are times God intervenes in life, there is no way anyone could make me believe that God is up in Heaven, pushing buttons and pulling levers, deciding who lives and who dies today. What can I do today? Hmmm....think I'll send a few F5 tornadoes through the Midwest and really fruck things up. Yeah, that'll teach em' a lesson. Not sure they'll understand the lesson, but that's okay. If they don't, I'll just send that jet into the side of a mountain and kill all 300 people aboard. Wait, no. Some widlfires that will wipe out hundreds of homes might work better.
Several years back, some friends of ours lost their infant child to spinal menengitis. We were in line at visitation and just before we got to our friends, this lady in front of us was trying to tell them that God has a plan and don't question why this happened. When I finally resisted the urge to punch her lights out, I thought if God really did decide He wanted to take this couple's child from them, then that's not a God I want anything to do with. But people believe that. And plenty of people believe that God decided to wipe whole cities out with storms the last few days.
How about leaving God out of this as far as the cause and just accept that when different weather systems converge, bad stuff can and often does happen. Humans are imperfect and the planes they build don't always work at 100%. Some idiot carelessly throws a lit cigarette butt out the car window and fires start that devastate people's lives.
I remember that in the Bible when God decided to destroy something there was:
1) A warning (Noah warned about flood, Lot warned about Sodom and Gomorrah, Jonah warned about Nineveh which repented and was not destroyed)
2) There was little doubt that God was pissed and completely removed the city from everything but the historical record.
Didn't see either of those things in OK.
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You may have a point if I knew you didn't think 911 was an inside job...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ISoUzy_6K4#t=15m15s
The Epic of Gilgamesh itself (whose name is drawn in cuneiform like a flame and a hollowed bowl) begins with a command to find a copper box which contains the writing of what occurred before the flood:
He who has seen everything, I will make known (?) to the lands.
I will teach (?) about him who experienced all things,
... alike,
Anu granted him the totality of knowledge of all.
He saw the Secret, discovered the Hidden,
he brought information of (the time) before the Flood.
In those places, Umal was made clean in a purification bath,
fully immersed, he did emerge clean.
As the young men of Dilmun (unreadable)
readied the new ship, the new ships, the planned vessels,
Inscribed by Ut napishtim at the direction of Enlil on behalf of Ea,
were made ready in those designated places.
Umal is the location of a potential inexplicable ‘meteor crash’ in Iraq around the same time that the Epic of Gilgamesh was said to have been written. It was discovered after the marshes began to be drained by Saddam Hussein starting in December of 1992. What once was covered over is now a dry bed and it is given the name Umm al Binni Lake that was a part of an extensive study by the University of the Witwatersrand at Johannesburg (http://www.itc.nl/library/Papers_2004/tech_rep/woldai_umm.pdf). It hit the news in 2001 as the site of a potential bolide meteor crash in the marshes, thus being a possible explanation for the Biblical flood. However, a mystery was embedded within the report, stating that the actual crater site had a ‘polygonal outline’ which differed greatly from the highly irregular outlines of the surrounding lakes. The bolide meteor was presented as a theory, but there were still several mysteries sited in the analysis.
http://www.itc.nl/library/Papers_2004/tech_rep/woldai_umm.pdf
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ISoUzy_6K4#t=15m15s
http://www.britishmuseum.org/PDF/Iraq%20Report_with%20images.pdf
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Hopefully, this won't open this thread up to a religious debate. However, this is a good example of what I believe concerning God. While I do think there are times God intervenes in life, there is no way anyone could make me believe that God is up in Heaven, pushing buttons and pulling levers, deciding who lives and who dies today. What can I do today? Hmmm....think I'll send a few F5 tornadoes through the Midwest and really fruck things up. Yeah, that'll teach em' a lesson. Not sure they'll understand the lesson, but that's okay. If they don't, I'll just send that jet into the side of a mountain and kill all 300 people aboard. Wait, no. Some widlfires that will wipe out hundreds of homes might work better.
Several years back, some friends of ours lost their infant child to spinal menengitis. We were in line at visitation and just before we got to our friends, this lady in front of us was trying to tell them that God has a plan and don't question why this happened. When I finally resisted the urge to punch her lights out, I thought if God really did decide He wanted to take this couple's child from them, then that's not a God I want anything to do with. But people believe that. And plenty of people believe that God decided to wipe whole cities out with storms the last few days.
How about leaving God out of this as far as the cause and just accept that when different weather systems converge, bad stuff can and often does happen. Humans are imperfect and the planes they build don't always work at 100%. Some idiot carelessly throws a lit cigarette butt out the car window and fires start that devastate people's lives.
It's usually the agnostics that start that debate. Just saying. Live and let live. Don't like the concept of God? Then don't believe in it.
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It's usually the agnostics that start that debate. Just saying. Live and let live. Don't like the concept of God? Then don't believe in it.
It's usually started by an evangelical sort who just can't help but opine on god's grand plan/mysterious ways.
Just saying.
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Dang...it's really dusty in my office today.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=653577151323552 (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=653577151323552)
I know that's sad and all, but you really hate to be in the bathroom when the stool comes up out of the ground.
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I know that's sad and all, but you really hate to be in the bathroom when the stool comes up out of the ground.
Not sure that matters when a tornado is directly over the top of you, especially when stool has filled your pants.
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blah blah, blah blah blah
This is strange coming from someone who has such care for an innocent animal, even though that animal may have just pooped all over your newly finished floor.
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It's usually started by an evangelical sort who just can't help but opine on god's grand plan/mysterious ways.
Just saying.
Like you did in this thread?
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Like you did in this thread?
I think the "God's plan/finger" angle was brought up first.
But I may not be able to read timestamps correctly.
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Like you did in this thread?
Uh..go check and see who started the talk about god fingering people.
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Uh..go check and see who started the talk about god fingering people.
Now it's getting hawt in here.
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I told you not to turn this into a religious debate. Now see what you've done?
There's a lot of troof in what you just wrote....in my mind anyway.
And I am not trying to be a dick, these are just questions I have had: ( I have my own beliefs)
10 Commandants says: Thou shall not kill
Doesn't say what, it doesn't say your situation my dictate it say (SHALL NOT KILL)
God has given man free will which we answer for by mans laws and moral law. I kill in a man in cold blood I have punishment on earth and to god.
What about what military guys do by being under orders?
What about hunters who hunt for sport (not to feed your family?)
Is it not all killing?
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Now it's getting hawt in here.
Nelly suggests taking off all yo clothes.
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Is Bottomfeeder the Time Cube guy?
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Now it's getting hawt in here.
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I believe in one man...and Wesus (Way-su-s) is his name.
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I like simple pleasures, like butter in my ass and a lollipop in my mouth.
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I like simple pleasures, like butter in my ass and a lollipop in my mouth.
This here's the future. Videotape tells the truth.
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And I am not trying to be a dick, these are just questions I have had: ( I have my own beliefs)
10 Commandants says: Thou shall not kill
Doesn't say what, it doesn't say your situation my dictate it say (SHALL NOT KILL)
God has given man free will which we answer for by mans laws and moral law. I kill in a man in cold blood I have punishment on earth and to god.
What about what military guys do by being under orders?
What about hunters who hunt for sport (not to feed your family?)
Is it not all killing?
Is Bottomfeeder the Time Cube guy?
I believe the Hebrew translation means murder.
The degrees to which one is punished correlates to the class of the victim, in some cases. As much as we hate to admit it, our laws are more like the "Legacy of Mesopotamia" than Judaism. Even then, the Fertile Crescent thought that someone who killed by accident was just as guilty as some who had intentionally committed a law violation (see DUI laws with respect to vehicular homicide). According to the bible, killing during war time is justified. (I'm not touching this one, terrorism or collateral damage). Animals are another subject and would require tl;dr.
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And I am not trying to be a richard, these are just questions I have had: ( I have my own beliefs)
10 Commandants says: Thou shall not kill
Doesn't say what, it doesn't say your situation my dictate it say (SHALL NOT KILL)
God has given man free will which we answer for by mans laws and moral law. I kill in a man in cold blood I have punishment on earth and to god.
What about what military guys do by being under orders?
What about hunters who hunt for sport (not to feed your family?)
Is it not all killing?
I'm no bible scholar but Jesus forgave the soldier in some situation. I took it to mean, when you are working for the king and the king says kill, you can be forgiven. But, don't go out and kill somebody based on my explaination. I don't want to get you killed or sent to hell.
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"...Jesus forgave the soldier in some situation."
I'd love to see that one. The only time I can remember Him forgiving a soldier is when He was being crucified. And to me, He was asking for forgiveness for all of mankind and not just the Roman soldiers.
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I'm no bible scholar but Jesus forgave the soldier in some situation. I took it to mean, when you are working for the king and the king says kill, you can be forgiven. But, don't go out and kill somebody based on my explaination. I don't want to get you killed or sent to hell.
What some? Do we once again we have Mans views of holy laws.
What is the difference between the bible and the book of Mormon?
Both written by man. Edit" and yet I know alot of Christians who make fun of the Book of Mormon.
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I like simple pleasures, like butter in my ass and a lollipop in my mouth.
That's just me. That's just something that I enjoy.
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What about what military guys do by being under orders?
What about hunters who hunt for sport (not to feed your family?)
Is it not all killing?
I sleep fine at night.
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What some? Do we once again we have Mans views of holy laws.
What is the difference between the bible and the book of Mormon?
Both written by man.
Who wrote the bible?
www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ISoUzy_6K4#t=15m00s
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I sleep fine at night.
As do I. I have no qualms about anything I did in the military, (Especially the stuff I didn't get caught doing)
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That's just me. That's just something that I enjoy.
Now I get it. Now I understand. You want it to happen... but it's not going to happen. Because it's a Catch-22.
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Now I get it. Now I understand. You want it to happen... but it's not going to happen. Because it's a Catch-22.
I know fucking karate.
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I know fucking karate.
Now thats a big cock.
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I got a feeling that behind those jeans is something wonderful just waiting to get out.
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And I am not trying to be a richard, these are just questions I have had: ( I have my own beliefs)
10 Commandants says: Thou shall not kill
Doesn't say what, it doesn't say your situation my dictate it say (SHALL NOT KILL)
God has given man free will which we answer for by mans laws and moral law. I kill in a man in cold blood I have punishment on earth and to god.
What about what military guys do by being under orders?
What about hunters who hunt for sport (not to feed your family?)
Is it not all killing?
Sorry I'm a little late to the party, but I'll take a stab at this from this Christian's perspective.
God gave the commandment "Thou shalt not kill" in the Old Testament. That's a pretty easy one for most of us (excluding those of you who served in the military). However, take a look at what Jesus said in the New Testament (Matthew 5:21-22):
"You have heard that it was said to those of old, You shall not murder; and whoever murders will be liable to judgment. But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother will be liable to judgment; whoever insults his brother will be liable to the council; and whoever says, You fool! will be liable to the hell of fire."
So essentially Jesus comes along and takes a somewhat easy-to-follow rule and equates anger in one's heart with murder. I'm pretty sure that covers the rest of us, myself included.
The point is not that if you follow a set of rules you'll be judged as a "good" person and get to go to Heaven when you die, or you don't follow the rules and you go to hell. It's that every one of us is completely incapable of living up to the perfect standard that God has. The only person that could and did was Jesus. He lived the life we can't live and he paid the punishment that we should have received when he died on the Cross. The good news is that three days later he was resurrected and in doing so defeated death once and for all. As a result he calls us to live a life of repentance and believe in Him, accept the work he did for you on the Cross. He did everything. You don't have to do anything but believe in faith, and in doing so you will receive eternal life.
Being a Christian doesn't mean that you're perfect. It means that you realize that you are anything but, and you put your hope and faith in the One who was. There is such freedom in that. I don't have to sit around and worry about following a set of rules. I still royally screw up on a daily basis, but I know that my sins are forgiven - past, present and future. And in a morbid way, the day I die will be the greatest day of my life, because I won't have to live in a broken creation that produces F5 tornadoes, Sandy Hook school shootings, cancer, and the like.
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Sorry I'm a little late to the party, but I'll take a stab at this from this Christian's perspective.
God gave the commandment "Thou shalt not kill" in the Old Testament. That's a pretty easy one for most of us (excluding those of you who served in the military). However, take a look at what Jesus said in the New Testament (Matthew 5:21-22):
"You have heard that it was said to those of old, You shall not murder; and whoever murders will be liable to judgment. But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother will be liable to judgment; whoever insults his brother will be liable to the council; and whoever says, You fool! will be liable to the hell of fire."
So essentially Jesus comes along and takes a somewhat easy-to-follow rule and equates anger in one's heart with murder. I'm pretty sure that covers the rest of us, myself included.
The point is not that if you follow a set of rules you'll be judged as a "good" person and get to go to Heaven when you die, or you don't follow the rules and you go to hell. It's that every one of us is completely incapable of living up to the perfect standard that God has. The only person that could and did was Jesus. He lived the life we can't live and he paid the punishment that we should have received when he died on the Cross. The good news is that three days later he was resurrected and in doing so defeated death once and for all. As a result he calls us to live a life of repentance and believe in Him, accept the work he did for you on the Cross. He did everything. You don't have to do anything but believe in faith, and in doing so you will receive eternal life.
Being a Christian doesn't mean that you're perfect. It means that you realize that you are anything but, and you put your hope and faith in the One who was. There is such freedom in that. I don't have to sit around and worry about following a set of rules. I still royally screw up on a daily basis, but I know that my sins are forgiven - past, present and future. And in a morbid way, the day I die will be the greatest day of my life, because I won't have to live in a broken creation that produces F5 tornadoes, Sandy Hook school shootings, cancer, and the like.
What the fuck Obama got to do with this? j/k
OK, let me ask this, had Hitler asked for forgiveness on his death bed and became a Christian, would his sins had been forgiven?
And once again I am not trying to prod or goat answers, I am simply trying to ask questions about how some religious folks come to their understandings of their faith.
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Sorry I'm a little late to the party, but I'll take a stab at this from this Christian's perspective.
God gave the commandment "Thou shalt not kill" in the Old Testament. That's a pretty easy one for most of us (excluding those of you who served in the military). However, take a look at what Jesus said in the New Testament (Matthew 5:21-22):
"You have heard that it was said to those of old, You shall not murder; and whoever murders will be liable to judgment. But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother will be liable to judgment; whoever insults his brother will be liable to the council; and whoever says, You fool! will be liable to the hell of fire."
So essentially Jesus comes along and takes a somewhat easy-to-follow rule and equates anger in one's heart with murder. I'm pretty sure that covers the rest of us, myself included.
The point is not that if you follow a set of rules you'll be judged as a "good" person and get to go to Heaven when you die, or you don't follow the rules and you go to hell. It's that every one of us is completely incapable of living up to the perfect standard that God has. The only person that could and did was Jesus. He lived the life we can't live and he paid the punishment that we should have received when he died on the Cross. The good news is that three days later he was resurrected and in doing so defeated death once and for all. As a result he calls us to live a life of repentance and believe in Him, accept the work he did for you on the Cross. He did everything. You don't have to do anything but believe in faith, and in doing so you will receive eternal life.
Being a Christian doesn't mean that you're perfect. It means that you realize that you are anything but, and you put your hope and faith in the One who was. There is such freedom in that. I don't have to sit around and worry about following a set of rules. I still royally screw up on a daily basis, but I know that my sins are forgiven - past, present and future. And in a morbid way, the day I die will be the greatest day of my life, because I won't have to live in a broken creation that produces F5 tornadoes, Sandy Hook school shootings, cancer, and the like.
Unlike this guy.
GRAPHIC: http://www.wkrg.com/story/22397656/cameron-indications-london-attack-terror
I would have jacked this motherfucker on the spot.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRIFpkUFtl4
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What the fudge Obama got to do with this? j/k
OK, let me ask this, had Hitler asked for forgiveness on his death bed and became a Christian, would his sins had been forgiven?
And once again I am not trying to prod or goat answers, I am simply trying to ask questions about how some religious folks come to their understandings of their faith.
Ultimately that's between him and God. However, I believe that Jesus paid for the sins of the entire world, so that would include those committed by Hitler. If he had a truly repentant heart I would have to believe that his sins would be forgiven just like yours and mine would. That said, only God can judge the sincerity of a person's heart and I certainly am in no position to answer for Him.
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Ultimately that's between him and God. However, I believe that Jesus paid for the sins of the entire world, so that would include those committed by Hitler. If he had a truly repentant heart I would have to believe that his sins would be forgiven just like yours and mine would. That said, only God can judge the sincerity of a person's heart and I certainly am in no position to answer for Him.
This is what I guess I don't understand, Dude killed 10 million folks and at the last minute has a change of heart and all is ok.
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This is what I guess I don't understand, Dude killed 10 million folks and at the last minute has a change of heart and all is ok.
Like I said, that's ultimately between him and God. I can't answer that with 100% certainty. However, I know that people could run down a list of all the things I've done in my life and there is absolutely no way I'd be allowed in either except by the grace of God.
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Like I said, that's ultimately between him and God. I can't answer that with 100% certainty. However, I know that people could run down a list of all the things I've done in my life and there is absolutely no way I'd be allowed in either except by the grace of God.
I will never count myself as sheep going to slaughter. I'm sorry, I just don't buy the passivity of it all. Furthermore, I don't buy into the different dogma, or different religions, made by man. Every culture/new country has a religion that is used to control and manipulate them. I'm no longer affected by this.
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I will never count myself as sheep going to slaughter.
The irony of this statement is that (to me) that is exactly what you are.
I'm sorry, I just don't buy the passivity of it all. Furthermore, I don't buy into the different dogma, or different religions, made by man. Every culture/new country has a religion that is used to control and manipulate them. I'm no longer affected by this.
That is completely your prerogative. Good luck doing life on your own. I tried it for 31 years and realized that I make a terrible God.
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And the questions I ask I should be asking to the bible thumpers around here where I live. They use religion when it suits there purpose or make them feel better.
I did kind of shut one guy up here at work. We all have seen the video of the lady being interviewed in OK and right at the end she finds her dog. No doubt kick-ass, but he claims that was gods miracle so my question to him was " was that not gods plan to put the dog there via that massive killer tornado?
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This is what I guess I don't understand, Dude killed 10 million folks and at the last minute has a change of heart and all is ok.
Sounds like a great example of how God would show his mercy and forgiveness. A good portion of the New Testament was written by a man transformed from a Christian murderer. On his way to find another to kill, he met Christ. Well, lets just say things changed for the guy.
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And the questions I ask I should be asking to the bible thumpers around here where I live. They use religion when it suits there purpose or make them feel better.
I did kind of shut one guy up here at work. We all have seen the video of the lady being interviewed in OK and right at the end she finds her dog. No doubt kick-ass, but he claims that was gods miracle so my question to him was " was that not gods plan to put the dog there via that massive killer tornado?
This^^^^^^^
It's a festivus miracle.
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I did kind of shut one guy up here at work. We all have seen the video of the lady being interviewed in OK and right at the end she finds her dog. No doubt kick-ass, but he claims that was gods miracle so my question to him was " was that not gods plan to put the dog there via that massive killer tornado?
So you're resting in the notion that because bad things happen that there is no God? The bottom line is we live in a broken creation. Do I believe that God sent that tornado to Oklahoma? Not at all. Could he have prevented it from happening? Yes he could. Why didn't he? I have no idea. Just like I have no idea why he didn't prevent the tornado outbreak that hit Alabama in 2011, or that tsunami that killed 250k people in 2004, or why he didn't prevent my dad from getting cancer.
Bad things happen and will continue to happen until the return of Christ. It's not up to me to know why. What events like this do for me is remind me that I am not promised tomorrow. I mean, none of those people who were killed woke up and thought to themselves "Well, this could be it." It goes to show how fragile life really is.
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So you're resting in the notion that because bad things happen that there is no God? The bottom line is we live in a broken creation. Do I believe that God sent that tornado to Oklahoma? Not at all. Could he have prevented it from happening? Yes he could. Why didn't he? I have no idea. Just like I have no idea why he didn't prevent the tornado outbreak that hit Alabama in 2011, or that tsunami that killed 250k people in 2004, or why he didn't prevent my dad from getting cancer.
Bad things happen and will continue to happen until the return of Christ. It's not up to me to know why. What events like this do for me is remind me that I am not promised tomorrow. I mean, none of those people who were killed woke up and thought to themselves "Well, this could be it." It goes to show how fragile life really is.
Exactly my point from earlier. Does He intervene at times? I'm sure He does. Is he arbitrarily wiping people and property off the face of the earth without any clear understanding as to why? Never, ever make me believe it.
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I make a terrible God.
I like to picture Jesus in a tuxedo T-shirt. 'Cause it says like, I wanna be formal but I’m here to party too. I like to party, so I like my Jesus to party.
And I like my God to hang brain.
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And I like my God to hang brain.
That was definitely my super power. It was mesmorizing!
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That was definitely my super power. It was mesmorizing!
It was so veiney!
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So you're resting in the notion that because bad things happen that there is no God? The bottom line is we live in a broken creation. Do I believe that God sent that tornado to Oklahoma? Not at all. Could he have prevented it from happening? Yes he could. Why didn't he? I have no idea. Just like I have no idea why he didn't prevent the tornado outbreak that hit Alabama in 2011, or that tsunami that killed 250k people in 2004, or why he didn't prevent my dad from getting cancer.
Bad things happen and will continue to happen until the return of Christ. It's not up to me to know why. What events like this do for me is remind me that I am not promised tomorrow. I mean, none of those people who were killed woke up and thought to themselves "Well, this could be it." It goes to show how fragile life really is.
Ok, let me ask another question, as children we are taken to church and we learn about religion. Let take a young boy in the deep woods of (any country of your choice) deep woods, no other human contact other than the locals. They have never learned nor have been taught about any kind of higher power, any kind of religion. So he knows of no god, doesn’t ever get baptized, leads his life and dies.
Does he go to heaven?
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Ok, let me ask another question, as children we are taken to church and we learn about religion. Let take a young boy in the deep woods of (any country of your choice) deep woods, no other human contact other than the locals. They have never learned nor have been taught about any kind of higher power, any kind of religion. So he knows of no god, doesn’t ever get baptized, leads his life and dies.
Does he go to heaven?
Honestly, I have no clue. I don't think anyone truly knows.
There are tons of questions that I have similar to that one. I just have to accept the fact that I won't know the answer to them all in this life, and maybe not even in the next one.
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Honestly, I have no clue. I don't think anyone truly knows.
There are tons of questions that I have similar to that one. I just have to accept the fact that I won't know the answer to them all in this life, and maybe not even in the next one.
The bible says that they can look around them and know that HE created all. I have no idea how that translates, but all sentient beings have the ability to know.
Then again he says he will not come again until all have heard. So, I have no idea how deep the depths of his mercy reach.
If we had all the proof in the world in front of us daily, the sinful nature of man would still cause many to deny it.
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It's all fun and games till the Jesus freak gets involved.
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Honestly, I have no clue. I don't think anyone truly knows.
There are tons of questions that I have similar to that one. I just have to accept the fact that I won't know the answer to them all in this life, and maybe not even in the next one.
You got questions? We got answers - Science.
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The bible says that they can look around them and know that HE created all. I have no idea how that translates, but all sentient beings have the ability to know.
Then again he says he will not come again until all have heard. So, I have no idea how deep the depths of his mercy reach.
If we had all the proof in the world in front of us daily, the sinful nature of man would still cause many to deny it.
How many gods are there?
Christian
Buddha
All-ah (or whatever)
Why so many when the bible teaches us that it is only god? How did the other folks come up with their own god (s)?
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How many gods are there?
Christian
Buddha
All-ah (or whatever)
Why so many when the bible teaches us that it is only god? How did the other folks come up with their own god (s)?
Our God can kick all the other gods' asses.
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Our God can kick all the other gods' asses.
Can ours make fun of Prophet mommand?
Cause you know who would get pissed?
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Our God can kick all the other gods' asses.
Our God is bigger,
Stronger,
Smarter,
And much wealthier.
So wave those flags with pride...
Especially the white part.
- Sage Francis, "Makeshift Patriot"
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"My God is bigger than the boogie man!" - Bob the Tomato
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You got questions? We got answers - Science.
If anyone on this board is going to claim to have scientific evidence on his side it is definitely not you.
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If anyone on this board is going to claim to have scientific evidence on his side it is definitely not you.
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/egipto/fingerprintgods/fingerprintgods.htm
http://www.poodwaddle.com/clocks/worldclock/
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If anyone on this board is going to claim to have scientific evidence on his side it is definitely not you.
How would you know that BF isn't a PhD in biochemistry, microbiology or something--and only masquerading as...well, bottomfeeder.
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How would you know that BF isn't a PhD in biochemistry, microbiology or something--and only masquerading as...well, bottomfeeder.
Nice try. My cousin is a Phd and has written many books. I'm just, well, a bottomfeeder.
I'm just a bacon fiend.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCqzQDv1Q1M
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9HljNtkXLw
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You got questions? We got answers - Science.
To me it takes more faith to believe that everything came from nothing than it does to believe that there is a Creator. But that's just me. To each their own.
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To me it takes more faith to believe that everything came from nothing than it does to believe that there is a Creator. But that's just me. To each their own.
Depends on the scientific theory...some just presume that all matter and energy in the universe has always existed. Sort of like those who are religious believe that God has always existed.
Either way, one is putting their faith into something that the human mind can't concretely grasp or definitively prove.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9HljNtkXLw
0:34 in - VV never had a bigger craving for bacon, and Snaggle weeps
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Depends on the scientific theory...some just presume that all matter and energy in the universe has always existed. Sort of like those who are religious believe that God has always existed.
Either way, one is putting their faith into something that the human mind can't concretely grasp or definitively prove.
Yes. But one has an eternal reward as the final outcome. The other does not.
If I am wrong, no big deal. If the others are wrong......
I am still just in awe of the mass destruction that the finger of God created.
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Yes. But one has an eternal reward as the final outcome. The other does not.
If I am wrong, no big deal. If the others are wrong......
Unless you're wrong because another religion is right.
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Unless you're wrong because another religion is right.
Well then you're just hooped.
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I believe humanity cycles with respect to population numbers. Ever 3600 years this turrible brown dwarf reappears and destroys humanity except for a chosen number (See Noah's Ark and other writings describing this event.). The story has recurred in every writing and religion known today. We probably have until 2087 or 2800- 2900. So enjoy it while it lasts. The 2012 thingy was just to get into the pants of unsuspecting women, milfs, cougars and young college grads.
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I believe humanity cycles with respect to population numbers. Ever 3600 years this turrible brown dwarf reappears and destroys humanity except for a chosen number (See Noah's Ark and other writings describing this event.). The story has recurred in every writing and religion known today. We probably have until 2087 or 2800- 2900. So enjoy it while it lasts. The 2012 thingy was just to get into the pants of unsuspecting women, milfs, cougars and young college grads.
I won't be here. Fuck it.
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I won't be here. Fuck it.
Well. You can at least watch the finger of God at work from your eternal spot on the mother wheel!
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Well. You can at least watch the finger of God at work from your eternal spot on the mother wheel!
What if we are all just living on the cusp of a very large clit.
/mind blown
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I won't be here. fudge it.
This is a rather pessimistic attitude. But if you do by chance make it that long, I bet you won't have any SS left. I recommend planning on working part-time and couponing.