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The Library => The SGA => Topic started by: AUChizad on May 13, 2013, 05:15:11 PM
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Today was a bad day for Obama. Between the IRS scandal and this...
http://blog.ap.org/2013/05/13/ap-responds-to-intrusive-doj-seizure-of-journalists-phone-records/
AP responds to intrusive DOJ seizure of journalists’ phone records
Posted on 05/13/2013 by Erin Madigan White
The U.S. Department of Justice notified The Associated Press on Friday, May 10, that it had secretly obtained telephone records for more than 20 separate telephone lines assigned to AP journalists and offices, including cell and home phone lines.
AP is asking the DOJ for an immediate explanation of the extraordinary action and for the records to be returned to AP and all copies destroyed.
AP President and CEO Gary Pruitt protested the massive intrusion into AP’s newsgathering activities in a letter to Attorney General Eric Holder on Monday, May 13.
In the letter Pruitt states:
“There can be no possible justification for such an overbroad collection of the telephone communications of The Associated Press and its reporters. These records potentially reveal communications with confidential sources across all of the newsgathering activities undertaken by the AP during a two-month period, provide a road map to AP’s newsgathering operations, and disclose information about AP’s activities and operations that the government has no conceivable right to know.â€
“We regard this action by the Department of Justice as a serious interference with AP’s constitutional rights to gather and report the news.â€
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Cue BF response (with links) in 3....2.....1.....
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What does Gary Pruitt have to hide? His racism?
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:popcorn:
I watched Obammer talking about Benghazi/Rice on C-Span and now this. I need to get some more popcorn and tinfoil. Obammer is toast.
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/govt-obtains-wide-ap-phone-records-probe
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The sheeple don't care. I mean half of the people in this nation never even knew who Ben Ghazi was to begin with!
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The sheeple don't care. I mean half of the people in this nation never even knew who Ben Ghazi was to begin with!
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The sheeple don't care. I mean half of the people in this nation never even knew who Ben Ghazi was to begin with!
You can say that again.
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You can say that again.
He did. That's positive reinforcement for you.
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He hasn't had a good last couple of months. Benghazi may end up being his watergate. The ap records thing and IRS targeting is just more fuel on the fire.
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He hasn't had a good last couple of months. Benghazi may end up being his watergate. The ap records thing and IRS targeting is just more fuel on the fire.
I don't think Benghazi will amount to anything. It'll be a faint memory in time.
However, if he did for some reason get impeached, I have no doubt that the left will say that the courts are rigged and that we need some kind of reform because they wrongfully accused or convicted Barack Obama.
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I don't think Benghazi will amount to anything. It'll be a faint memory in time.
However, if he did for some reason get impeached, I have no doubt that the left will say that the courts are rigged and that we need some kind of reform because they wrongfully accused or convicted Barack Obama.
If whistleblowers keep testifying, it will be big and hard to get out of. It's already snowballing a bit
And remember, the courts are only rigged when things dont go your way. Otherwise, they're legit (obamacare ruling)
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What does Gary Pruitt have to hide? His racism?
Uh, please tell me that you are joking here?
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The sheeple don't care. I mean half of the people in this nation never even knew who Ben Ghazi was to begin with!
He was in that movie, right?
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I don't think Benghazi will amount to anything. It'll be a faint memory in time.
In my opinion, Benghazi, while certainly not entirely negligible as some liberals would like to portray it, is way overblown by conservatives.
Bush had 13 similar attacks (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bob-cesca/13-benghazis-that-occurre_b_3246847.html) on US Consulates. Many more injuries, many more deaths, and many more American deaths than Benghazi.
Saying it was a spontaneous reaction to the YouTube video in hindsight was dumb, but it was based on US intelligence at the time and what the Libyan government was saying publicly. To the administration's credit, this was corrected relatively quickly and they acknowledge that was an organized terror attack. Really semantics either way. Now you can argue that the lapse in intelligence itself is problematic, but then if you're up in arms over that, but defended Bush's WMD claims that were not retracted for several years, and directly pulled us into a war that lasted nearly a decade due to "bad intelligence", then your bias is glaring.
To me, the IRS & AP scandals are a much bigger deal. When combined, this is pretty damn similar to the Watergate scandal, IMO.
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In my opinion, Benghazi, while certainly not entirely negligible as some liberals would like to portray it, is way overblown by conservatives.
Bush had 13 similar attacks (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bob-cesca/13-benghazis-that-occurre_b_3246847.html) on US Consulates. Many more injuries, many more deaths, and many more American deaths than Benghazi.
Saying it was a spontaneous reaction to the YouTube video in hindsight was dumb, but it was based on US intelligence at the time and what the Libyan government was saying publicly. To the administration's credit, this was corrected relatively quickly and they acknowledge that was an organized terror attack. Really semantics either way. Now you can argue that the lapse in intelligence itself is problematic, but then if you're up in arms over that, but defended Bush's WMD claims that were not retracted for several years, and directly pulled us into a war that lasted nearly a decade due to "bad intelligence", then your bias is glaring.
To me, the IRS & AP scandals are a much bigger deal. When combined, this is pretty damn similar to the Watergate scandal, IMO.
The fact that the attack happened is not Obama's fault. What I believe was a cover up is his fault. And, it likely helped save the election for him. One man's spin is another man's cover up.
Also, I wonder if the lack of response and order to stand down had anything to do with politics. Lives were lost because of this decision. If someone in my family died because of this, I would want answers very soon.
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In my opinion, Benghazi, while certainly not entirely negligible as some liberals would like to portray it, is way overblown by conservatives.
Bush had 13 similar attacks (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bob-cesca/13-benghazis-that-occurre_b_3246847.html) on US Consulates. Many more injuries, many more deaths, and many more American deaths than Benghazi.
Saying it was a spontaneous reaction to the YouTube video in hindsight was dumb, but it was based on US intelligence at the time and what the Libyan government was saying publicly. To the administration's credit, this was corrected relatively quickly and they acknowledge that was an organized terror attack. Really semantics either way. Now you can argue that the lapse in intelligence itself is problematic, but then if you're up in arms over that, but defended Bush's WMD claims that were not retracted for several years, and directly pulled us into a war that lasted nearly a decade due to "bad intelligence", then your bias is glaring.
To me, the IRS & AP scandals are a much bigger deal. When combined, this is pretty damn similar to the Watergate scandal, IMO.
A malicious coverup at the presidential level is a big deal. It's just a matter of proving it.
Bush had his faults. But he isn't president now. Obama is. All these things combined IMO are huge.
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The fact that the attack happened is not Obama's fault. What I believe was a cover up is his fault. And, it likely helped save the election for him. One man's spin is another man's cover up.
Also, I wonder if the lack of response and order to stand down had anything to do with politics. Lives were lost because of this decision. If someone in my family died because of this, I would want answers very soon.
I'm just saying. Targeting political opponants for IRS audits. Monitoring the press's phone conversations in order to be ahead of any critical news stories. That's a way bigger deal.
If I were a far right-winger bent on the destruction of the US President, I would be infinitely more focused on the two scandals that broke yesterday than trying to connect dots on Benghazi.
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I'm just saying. Targeting political opponants for IRS audits. Monitoring the press's phone conversations in order to be ahead of any critical news stories. That's a way bigger deal.
If I were a far right-winger bent on the destruction of the US President, I would be infinitely more focused on the two scandals that broke yesterday than trying to connect dots on Benghazi.
Agree. Targeting and phone taps are very troubling.
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Uh, please tell me that you are joking here?
Of course not. The guy's name is Gary. That's a white man's name. A racist white man.
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This has little to do with this little blame-game discussion. But....as long as the U.S.of A. continues to do what we always have and try to police the world...as long as we try to impose our will on others and attempt to make them do things the right way (Our way)....as long as we, unlike almost all others in the world, continue to have a military presence all over the world, especially in places where millions of people who don't think or act anything like we do and most importantly, who hate our damn guts and have sworn to wipe us off the face of the earth...
PEOPLE ARE GOING TO DO THEIR LEVEL BEST TO KILL US!!!
It will never stop. Ever!!! And every single time it does, the two "sides" will continue to point the finger at each other in an attempt to make the other look bad and gain a stronger political foothold. One of the main reasons I loathe politics. Everything is us against them.
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I'm just saying. Targeting political opponants for IRS audits. Monitoring the press's phone conversations in order to be ahead of any critical news stories. That's a way bigger deal.
If I were a far right-winger bent on the destruction of the US President, I would be infinitely more focused on the two scandals that broke yesterday than trying to connect dots on Benghazi.
I am not disagreeing that the IRS audits and AP scandal aren't important. And it has nothing to do with being a right-winger or wishing for the destruction of the president. It has more to do with us maintaining some semblance of a democratic society.
And my reason for thinking Benghazi is a big deal is because lives were lost due to the lack of response when pleas for help were given and the election was hanging in the balance. I believe that the immediate response and the ensuing report were politically motivated. If it were Bush, he would be burning in effigy today. I don't sense the same outrage from the right-wingers you speak of. But, if there are no hearings, I'm fearful it will provoke the right's fringe idiots. Which would only help the socialist's cause.
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"democratic society"
Fuck those two words.
Spirit of 1776!
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I am not disagreeing that the IRS audits and AP scandal aren't important. And it has nothing to do with being a right-winger or wishing for the destruction of the president. It has more to do with us maintaining some semblance of a democratic society.
And my reason for thinking Benghazi is a big deal is because lives were lost due to the lack of response when pleas for help were given and the election was hanging in the balance. I believe that the immediate response and the ensuing report were politically motivated. If it were Bush, he would be burning in effigy today. I don't sense the same outrage from the right-wingers you speak of. But, if there are no hearings, I'm fearful it will provoke the right's fringe idiots. Which would only help the socialist's cause.
What this guy said.
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I am not disagreeing that the IRS audits and AP scandal aren't important. And it has nothing to do with being a right-winger or wishing for the destruction of the president. It has more to do with us maintaining some semblance of a democratic society.
And my reason for thinking Benghazi is a big deal is because lives were lost due to the lack of response when pleas for help were given and the election was hanging in the balance. I believe that the immediate response and the ensuing report were politically motivated. If it were Bush, he would be burning in effigy today. I don't sense the same outrage from the right-wingers you speak of. But, if there are no hearings, I'm fearful it will provoke the right's fringe idiots. Which would only help the socialist's cause.
That cause we are at work, we are working longer and harder for less money to support the 49%.
Most of them (both parties) want to rule not govern.
Fuck all the politicians.
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Of course not. The guy's name is Gary. That's a white man's name. A racist white man.
So you are seriously asking why the President of the Associated Press is mad about this?
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So you are seriously asking why the President of the Associated Press is mad about this?
No need to ask. He's obviously a supporter of critical race theory along with other hate group-supported archaic views.
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I just hope they aren't recording my calls to 1-800-HOT-BABE. And if they did , I hope they can't hear me spanking the monkey. I'm terrified that one day a video of me whipping meself will surface. I worry that they hide the cameras in hotel rooms and hotels make me horny.
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No need to ask. He's obviously a supporter of critical race theory along with other hate group-supported archaic views.
Then we must be thinking of a different set of Gary Pruitt's.
Now if you are just fucking with me and don't see the clear trampling of constitutional rights over this issue then I would ask you to go back and read the constitution again.
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Then we must be thinking of a different set of Gary Pruitt's.
Now if you are just fucking with me and don't see the clear trampling of constitutional rights over this issue then I would ask you to go back and read the constitution again.
I do believe Mr Townhall is using some of his world famous "extreme hyperbole".
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I do believe Mr Townhall is using some of his world famous "extreme hyperbole".
I was/am hoping so. I am not up to detecting it today. Too busy and my sinuses are killing me so my sense of humor/wit is not up to snuff.
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I was/am hoping so. I am not up to detecting it today. Too busy and my sinuses are killing me so my sense of humor/wit is not up to snuff sniff.
isn't that what you meant?
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isn't that what you meant?
That too.
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yu-nI6KWAAQ#t=4m30s
100 Percent FED Up
IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN THIS YET, IT'LL MAKE YOU WONDER WHO VOTES FOR PEOPLE LIKE SHEILA JACKSON LEE. AT ABOUT 4:30 INTO THIS HEATED EXCHANGE, MS. LEE BREAKS IN WITH MIND NUMBING QUESTIONS......EPIC
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Throw another log on the "DOJ vs. the Press" Fire.
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/obama-admin-spied-fox-news-reporter-james-rosen-134204299.html
The Justice Department spied extensively on Fox News reporter James Rosen in 2010, collecting his telephone records, tracking his movements in and out of the State Department and seizing two days of Rosen’s personal emails, the Washington Post reported on Monday.
In a chilling move sure to rile defenders of civil liberties, an FBI agent also accused Rosen of breaking anti-espionage law with behavior that—as described in the agent's own affidavit—falls well inside the bounds of traditional news reporting. (Disclosure: This reporter counts Rosen among his friends.)
UPDATE: Fox News responds with a blistering statement that asserts Rosen was "simply doing his job" in his role as "a member of what up until now has always been a free press.â€
The revelations surfaced with President Barack Obama’s administration already under fire for seizing two months of telephone records of reporters and editors at the Associated Press. Obama last week said he makes “no apologies†for investigations into national security-related leaks. The AP's CEO, Gray Pruitt, said Sunday that the seizure was "unconstitutional."
The Obama administration has prosecuted twice as many leakers as all previous administrations combined.
“The president is a strong defender of the First Amendment and a firm believer in the need for the press to be unfettered in its ability to conduct investigative reporting and facilitate a free flow of information,†White House press secretary Jay Carney insisted last week. “He also, of course, recognizes the need for the Justice Department to investigate alleged criminal activity without undue influence.â€
The details of the government's strategy against Rosen sound like something out of a spy novel.
Investigators looking into disclosures of sensitive information about North Korea got Rosen’s telephone records and a warrant for his personal emails but also used his State Department security badge to track his movements in and out of that building, the Post reported, citing court documents.
The case began when Rosen reported on June 11, 2009, that U.S. intelligence believed North Korea might respond to tighter United Nations sanctions with new nuclear tests. Rosen reported that the information came from CIA sources inside the hermetic Stalinist state.
Investigators zeroed in on State Department arms expert Stephen Jin-Woo Kim, who was among a small group of intelligence officials to receive a top-secret report on the issue the same day that Rosen's piece ran online.
But FBI agent Reginald Reyes wrote that there was evidence Rosen had broken the law, “at the very least, either as an aider, abettor and/or co-conspirator,†the Post said.
And just what did Rosen do? Here's Reyes in an affidavit to support his request for a search warrant:
“From the beginning of their relationship, the Reporter asked, solicited and encouraged Mr. Kim to disclose sensitive United States internal documents and intelligence information about the Foreign Country," the FBI agent wrote. "The Reporter did so by employing flattery and playing to Mr. Kim’s vanity and ego.â€
"Much like an intelligence officer would run an clandestine intelligence source, the Reporter instructed Mr. Kim on a covert communications plan," Reyes said, explicitly comparing reportorial tactics to espionage.
Here is how the Post described another section of Reyes' report:
Using italics for emphasis, Reyes explained how Rosen allegedly used a “covert communications plan†and quoted from an e-mail exchange between Rosen and Kim that seems to describe a secret system for passing along information.
In the exchange, Rosen used the alias “Leo†to address Kim and called himself “Alex,†an apparent reference to Alexander Butterfield, the man best known for running the secret recording system in the Nixon White House, according to the affidavit.
Rosen instructed Kim to send him coded signals on his Google account, according to a quote from his e-mail in the affidavit: “One asterisk means to contact them, or that previously suggested plans for communication are to proceed as agreed; two asterisks means the opposite.â€
He also wrote, according to the affidavit: “What I am interested in, as you might expect, is breaking news ahead of my competitors†including “what intelligence is picking up.†And: “I’d love to see some internal State Department analyses.â€
The communications system is a bit cloak-and-dagger, but it's not clear from the Post report or the affidavit that Rosen did anything outside the bounds of traditional reporting. People who know Rosen will smile at the Butterfield reference: The tenacious Fox News reporter is known as a Beatles fanatic, Tom Wolfe devotee and Watergate obsessive.
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Not good. Not good at all.
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Less outrage from the MSM because the guy was a fox reporter, he prolly had it coming.
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Less outrage from the MSM because the guy was a fox reporter, he prolly had it coming.
I actually read an article or two today where some in the MSM actually was really pissed about this one too. Didn't matter that he worked for Fox, they were still pissed for him.
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Throw another log on the "DOJ vs. the Press" Fire.
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/obama-admin-spied-fox-news-reporter-james-rosen-134204299.html
The Obama administration has prosecuted twice as many leakers as all previous administrations combined.
Tarheel's old ass has been reported
(When they start going after the dumpers, then Uncle Sani is next)
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STOP. GO TO OTHER THREAD.
PRESIDENT STILL GREAT. NOTHING TO SEE HERE. MOVE ALONG!