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The Library => Haley Center Basement => Topic started by: AUChizad on December 14, 2012, 01:00:37 PM
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/14/sandy-hook-elementary-school-shooting_n_2300831.html
Sandy Hook Elementary School Shooting: Newtown, Connecticut Administrators, Students Among Victims, Reports Say
Police reported a shooting Friday morning at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn.
Authorities in Connecticut responded to a shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown Friday morning, the local NBC station reports.
Police reported multiple deaths, several wounded children and at least one injured teacher, according to the Hartford Courant.
One gunman is dead, authorities told ABC News. Two guns were recovered from the shooter, according to CNN.
Unconfirmed reports say that principal Dawn Hochsprung and a school psychologist were killed, according to a parent who claimed to witness part of the attack, CNN reported.
CBS reports that a student's father was the shooter.
A hospital representative in Danbury told NBC that medical facilities admitted three victims from Sandy Hook School.
Do you have information on this developing story? Let us know: openreporting@huffingtonpost.com
Reports say that the alleged shooter appeared in the building's main office at about 9:40 a.m., approximately 30 minutes after the school day began.
The initial 911 call said that students were trapped in a classroom with the adult shooter who had two guns, according to WABC.
Students were escorted out of the building single-file. There are approximately 626 students enrolled in kindergarten through 4th grade classes at Sandy Hook Elementary, with another 46 faculty members, Newtown Patch reported.
More from the Associated Press:
NEWTOWN, Conn. — A shooting at a Connecticut elementary school Friday left the gunman dead and at least one teacher wounded and sent frightened pupils into the parking lot.
The shooter was killed and apparently had two guns, a person with knowledge of the shooting said. The person spoke on condition of anonymity because the investigation was still under way.
It wasn't clear how many people were injured at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown. A dispatcher at the Newtown Volunteer Ambulance Corps said a teacher had been shot in the foot and taken to Danbury Hospital.
Stephen Delgiadice said his 8-year-old daughter heard two big bangs and teachers told her to get in a corner. His daughter was fine.
"It's alarming, especially in Newtown, Connecticut, which we always thought was the safest place in America," he said.
The superintendent's office said the district had locked down schools in Newtown, about 60 miles northeast of New York City. Schools in neighboring towns also were locked down as a precaution.
State police said Newtown police called them around 9:40 a.m.
A photo posted by The Newtown Bee newspaper showed a group of young students – some crying, others looking visibly frightened – being escorted by adults through a parking lot in a line, hands on each other's shoulders.
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Right at the top of my list of a parent's worst nightmare...
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Fox News reporting 26 dead and 18 injured.
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Fox News reporting 26 dead and 18 injured.
Absolutely sickening, but not surprising. This shit just keeps happening. So sad.
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And while the death toll adds up, the news networks are putting microphones and cameras in the faces of children. God damnit.
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And while the death toll adds up, the news networks are putting microphones and cameras in the faces of children. God damnit.
Fuckers.
It's unclear how many people have been shot, but 25 people, mostly children are dead, multiple federal and state sources tell ABC News. That number could rise, officials said.
Who DOES THIS??? You want to kill another adult, that ain't right, but an adult may have a fighting chance. Kids didn't do ANYTHING to you. NOTHING justifies this.
Makes me want to go get my two out of school.
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Fuckers.
Who DOES THIS??? You want to kill another adult, that ain't right, but an adult may have a fighting chance. Kids didn't do ANYTHING to you. NOTHING justifies this.
Makes me want to go get my two out of school.
Early reports are that it's a father of one of the kids who lost custody.
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I just don't know what we can do about:
@mbyhoff 31 U.S. school shootings since Columbine. School shootings in every other country in the world combined since that time: 14.
Why are we shooting up our schools? Why do kids attempt to murder their classmates?
Also, it looks like two shooters involved. One is dead; one is arrested.
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I see the headline and :facepalm: but in all honesty, I think we've almost become numb to this sort of thing. Two kids walk into their high school and start blowing away fellow students. A guy hates a politician so he goes to a mall where she's at and starts busting off caps in people, including children. Premier of a movie....think I'll walk in and waste everybody in sight.
The expression of not being able to "wrap my mind around it" really holds true for me when I see shit like this. What is it about the human psyche that says I've got shit wrong in my life....so I I'll just go kill a bunch of innocent people that I don't know? Yeah, that'll fix things.
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This one messed me up pretty bad. Not only because of it being young children involved, but because when I first read the initial reports, I thought, "Oh, some disgruntled employee shot up his principal, vice principal, and school counselor. Sucks that it was in a school, but this happens."
We really are numb to it. And I'll admit that if it were high schoolers involved, I wouldn't be that affected.
I had to look up where the mall shooting was. I forgot. Oregon. Could have been any state. Doesn't make a difference.
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This one messed me up pretty bad. Not only because of it being young children involved, but because when I first read the initial reports, I thought, "Oh, some disgruntled employee shot up his principal, vice principal, and school counselor. Sucks that it was in a school, but this happens."
We really are numb to it. And I'll admit that if it were high schoolers involved, I wouldn't be that affected.
I had to look up where the mall shooting was. I forgot. Oregon. Could have been any state. Doesn't make a difference.
No doubt. The wife taught 2nd grade for 26 years. Home schooling our boy this year. Just heard that the room he/they opened fire in was a Kindergarten classroom. Small children. WTF? Just WTF?
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Early reports are that it's a father of one of the kids who lost custody.
So if he can't have him/her, no one can. Oh, and let's ruin the lives of another 17 sets of parents while we are at it. That'll show 'em.
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God damn this makes me sick.
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The question I have is why do we seemingly have this much more mental illness than other countries? Any person that would do this is obviously completely screwed up. Most of us will prob have a screw or two loose at some point in our life, but we still know the difference between right and wrong. The morons who do this type of thing are likely too far gone for any counseling. This is just something to add to the growing list of our major problems in this country.
I cannot fathom what these parents are going through. There is no place to direct the anger.
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Turns out that he had parent issues. He left New Jersey and travelled to Connecticut to shoot up his mother's classroom.
What the fuck.
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Why that other motherfucker is in custody I have no idea? He should have already been take out back and had one put behind his ear.
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Well, supposedly he had nothing to do with it. Literally wrong place, wrong time, wrong outfit.
But who knows with the media.
Speaking of the shit media, they put a picture up of a Ryan Lanza. One problem. It wasn't THE Ryan Lanza the shooter.
Sucks for that guy.
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Not just in America. Remember last year in Norway when a guy set off a bomb at some government building (I believe) then went to an island youth camp where he calmly and systematically blew away about 80 kids and counselors?
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Turns out that he had parent issues. He left New Jersey and travelled to Connecticut to shoot up his mother's classroom.
What the fuck.
Kill your mom, then shoot yourself. Bad enough at that (other than the second part). Or just walk in and shoot yourself. Same outcome. Maybe some messed up kids, but at least they are alive.
But killing all her young students, destroying hundreds of lives, traumatizing hundreds of other kids...
That's my son's age. I can all too easily imagine what those little kindergarten kids must have thought as he gunned them down - if I am one of those poor parents, that haunts me to an early grave. Was my son scared? Did my daughter suffer? Dear God.
UPDATE: He also killed his father before driving to CT and taking out his mom.
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So sad and so pointless this is
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Not just in America. Remember last year in Norway when a guy set off a bomb at some government building (I believe) then went to an island youth camp where he calmly and systematically blew away about 80 kids and counselors?
IF GUNS WERE ILLEGAL, THIS SHIT WOULD NEVER HAPPEN! ONLY IN AMERICA DOES THIS TYPE OF SHIT HAPPEN.
http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/14/world/asia/china-knife-attack/index.html?hpt=hp_bn2
Knife attack at Chinese school wounds 22 children
By CNN Staff
Fri December 14, 2012
Beijing (CNN) -- Twenty-two primary school children were wounded in a knife attack Friday in central China, authorities said.
The attack took place at the entrance to the Chenpeng Village Primary School in Henan province, according to the public information department of Guangshan county, the area where the school is located. An adult was also wounded, it said.
Several of the children are in critical condition, the state-run website Chinanews.com said, citing local authorities.
Police say they have detained a suspect, a 36-year-old man from the village, state media reported.
Initial assessments suggest the man is mentally ill, Chinanews.com said, citing Guangshan authorities.
China was hit by a spate of knife and cleaver attacks that targeted school children in 2010.
A number of measures were introduced at the time, including increased security at schools across the country and a regulation requiring people to register with their national ID cards when buying large knives.
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This makes me sick to my stomach. My heart and prayers honestly go out to all the parents of those children. I have kids around that age, and if something like this happened to one of them or any of my kids for that matter, I don't think I could ever get myself going again.
Little 6/7 year olds that have spent the last few weeks writing wish lists to Santa, and trying to be as nice as they could to make sure Santa didn't skip em. They didn't deserve this kinda shit. I'm glad that fucker is dead. God knows if they would've taken him into custody that sorry fucker would live for years with our fucked up justice system.
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This makes me sick to my stomach. My heart and prayers honestly go out to all the parents of those children. I have kids around that age, and if something like this happened to one of them or any of my kids for that matter, I don't think I could ever get myself going again.
Little 6/7 year olds that have spent the last few weeks writing wish lists to Santa, and trying to be as nice as they could to make sure Santa didn't skip em. They didn't deserve this kinda shit. I'm glad that fucker is dead. God knows if they would've taken him into custody that sorry fucker would live for years with our fucked up justice system.
This^^^ I'd love for him to have lived if we had a system that allowed for someone to torture his worthless ass in every way imagineable....all the while, showing him pictures of each of those kids....until he died. Fuck him if he had a bad home life. Fuck him if he was abused as a kid. Fuck him if he lost custody of his own kid. This was not the answer to any of that.
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I hate these types of things. Not just for the obvious loss of innocent life.
But it brings out the anti-gun crowd using these tragedies to further their agenda.
My heart breaks for these parents who thought they were sending their kids off to school on Friday and were getting ready to make memories on the weekend.
I will kiss my kids when they get home. And they are 13 and 16!
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I would like to once again point out the ineptitude of our mainstream media:
Ryan Lanza? Not the shooter. Despite every news network reporting that Ryan Lanza was the shooter, it turns out, he was not.
It's his brother. Adam Lanza.
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This^^^ I'd love for him to have lived if we had a system that allowed for someone to torture his worthless ass in every way imagineable....all the while, showing him pictures of each of those kids....until he died. fudge him if he had a bad home life. fudge him if he was abused as a kid. fudge him if he lost custody of his own kid. This was not the answer to any of that.
Yes, but if we only had stricter gun laws! I saw that all over the fbook today. Even from people I thought that I knew. Then again, I guess a little over every other person that you see voted for the guy that's in office. :facepalm:
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IMO, this is why beating someones ass doesn't need to be a felony.
http://www.examiner.com/article/connecticut-school-shooting-westboro-baptist-church-planning-to-picket
These motherfuckers need to be handled the old fashion way, by beating the living fuck out of them. I gaurantee if it wasn't such a harsh penalty to kick someones ass then stupid shit like wouldn't be going on.
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IMO, this is why beating someones ass doesn't need to be a felony.
http://www.examiner.com/article/connecticut-school-shooting-westboro-baptist-church-planning-to-picket
These motherfuckers need to be handled the old fashion way, by beating the living fuck out of them. I gaurantee if it wasn't such a harsh penalty to kick someones ass then stupid shit like wouldn't be going on.
I would not be surprised to flip on the tv one day and hear of someone saying "fuck it" and taking some of these sick son-of-a-bitches out.
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Yes, but if we only had stricter gun laws! I saw that all over the fbook today. Even from people I thought that I knew. Then again, I guess a little over every other person that you see voted for the guy that's in office. :facepalm:
Yeah if only those criminals obeyed laws. Murder is also against the law. Did this sick fuck seem to care? And he (and other criminals) wouldn't care about guns being illegal either. Except that it would make crime more likely knowing there is an unarmed populace.
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Yeah if only those criminals obeyed laws. Murder is also against the law. Did this sick fuck seem to care? And he (and other criminals) wouldn't care about guns being illegal either. Except that it would make crime more likely knowing there is an unarmed populace.
Lanza's Mom collected guns. It is reported that he came from a well-to-do family and had a normal upringing in an area that had one homicide in the last ten years. He was known to be intelligent and quiet without any criminal past.
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I'm just going to go ahead and say I have not read anyones post and I can't watch this on TV any longer.
This is right up there with 911 in my opinion; as far as the shock of it. My heart goes out to the families. I'm not gonna lie, I shed a tear when I heard this. I wish that little cock sucking sonofabitch would not have killed himself so he could be fucking ripped a part at the seems, then shit on, and then burned to a fucking crisp. Instead, the SICK FUCKING PUSSY died by a bullet.
I can't even stand thinking about this. I've talked about it too much already.
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I picked my 7 year old son up from his mother a few hours after this happened Friday. Apparently he had seen something about it on the news. He's a pretty sharp kid, so he knows what's what. I had to spend part of the trip from Greenville back to Gulf Shores assuring him that it could never happen at his school (in Montgomery).
This shit is absolutely ridiculous.
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I picked my 7 year old son up from his mother a few hours after this happened Friday. Apparently he had seen something about it on the news. He's a pretty sharp kid, so he knows what's what. I had to spend part of the trip from Greenville back to Gulf Shores assuring him that it could never happen at his school (in Montgomery).
This shit is absolutely ridiculous.
But the problem is, it can. It could happen everyday for the next 100 days and there is barely shit we can do to stop it. Especially under these same circumstances. Short of locking the school doors AND the teachers keeping the classroom doors closed and locked, I'm not sure there is a viable answer.
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But the problem is, it can. It could happen everyday for the next 100 days and there is barely shit we can do to stop it. Especially under these same circumstances. Short of locking the school doors AND the teachers keeping the classroom doors closed and locked, I'm not sure there is a viable answer.
You're right. It really is a scary world. I'm only 29, but the world was so much different when I was young. It's so sad. All of a sudden the paranoid people aren't so paranoid anymore. Count me in. I've been carrying my pistol on me much more recently. It's becoming painfully obvious that it could happen anywhere at anytime. We were at my daughter's The Nutcracker dance recital Saturday night. I thought to myself "Shit, fish in a barrel." How sad is it to think that way?
The only way to fix the thing with schools is to make them secure like prisons. Which, obviously, isn't a solution at all.
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But the problem is, it can. It could happen everyday for the next 100 days and there is barely shit we can do to stop it. Especially under these same circumstances. Short of locking the school doors AND the teachers keeping the classroom doors closed and locked, I'm not sure there is a viable answer.
The doors were locked in the classrooms at Sandy Hook. He busted through a window.
One of my classes asked me about what we would do if a shooter came into our room. I told them n all honesty that most of us would die. That a gunman in a school classroom has all of the power.
I think teachers should be given tasers. We'll never get guns. But tasers may give us a chance.
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The doors were locked in the classrooms at Sandy Hook. He busted through a window.
One of my classes asked me about what we would do if a shooter came into our room. I told them n all honesty that most of us would die. That a gunman in a school classroom has all of the power.
I think teachers should be given tasers. We'll never get guns. But tasers may give us a chance.
Tasers aren't the answer. I'm telling you, from someone who rode the full ride, as soon as the 5 seconds is up, your gunman is ready to go again. You could try to approach and take the gun while tasing, but you would stand the same chance as rushing him. I would suggest you to carry concealed. Ankle holster with a smaller gun, glock 27 is a great choice. I wouldn't care about school policy.
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Tasers isn't the answer. I'm telling you, from someone who rode the full ride, as soon as the 5 seconds is up, your gunman is ready to go again. You could try to approach and take the gun while tasing, but you would stand the same chance as rushing him. I would suggest you to carry concealed. Ankle holster with a smaller gun, glock 27 is a great choice. I wouldn't care about school policy.
Wouldn't a teacher go to jail if caught with a gun on campus? The odds are still very small that a shooting happens at my school.
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Wouldn't a teacher go to jail if caught with a gun on campus? The odds are still very small that a shooting happens at my school.
My wife has been to Newtown, CT. It is a very sleepy town. She said she never would have guessed that anything like this would happen there. This type of thing could happen anywhere. I know that is somewhat cliche, but is it really?
Token is also right about tasers. I have taken a full 5 second ride as well, and I was actually getting up and trying to fight the guys that were holding me for a few seconds after it cycled. I know that it makes me sound like a hillbilly, but guns really are the only answer to the "gun problem".
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Wouldn't a teacher go to jail if caught with a gun on campus? The odds are still very small that a shooting happens at my school.
Maybe so. 1 in a million perhaps. But still, if I'm you, or anyone else in this free world, I'm carrying concealed.
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Don't know what the answer is short of hiring an armed security guard at every school. But, what about theaters? What about malls? What about churches?
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Don't know what the answer is short of hiring an armed security guard at every school. But, what about theaters? What about malls? What about churches?
Theaters, I'm not sure.
Malls have security and police and citizens can carry concealed weapons. Many large churches have police to direct traffic. Not to mention, adults.
Schools are a different animal. It's a no gun zone. Gun free. It's advertised as you drive in that if you are carrying a firearm with the intent to harm, you will have no resistance.
My school is very long. It's not a square. It would take a good two minutes to sprint from one side to the other, and I'm very far away from the main office. We do have a police officer on campus full time. However, there's nothing he could do to help if someone tried to enter my classroom with multiple handguns or an assault rifle. Absolutely nothing.
The ONLY way to for sure prevent these kind of atrocities is to build large, prisonesque fences around the campus, have only one way to enter through an armed security guard, and then have all doors locked inside the school at all times.
Essentially, you would have to turn the school into a prison, which is not an effective learning environment.
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This is one political issue that I align 100% with the rednecks of TigersX on. :poke:
In all seriousness, it absolutely blows my mind that so many people (judging by Twitter, the media, etc.) seem to think that the only logical magic wand answer is banning guns. Repealing the second amendment of the Bill of Rights. As if there's no consequences to that. As if making guns illegal will make them disappear from society. Cliche's just end up becoming white noise, but it bears repeating: Criminalize guns and only criminals will have guns.
It blows my mind that the same people who see that the war on drugs is a failure, don't see that a gun ban would be just as much of a failure. The last two high-profile shootings were in Colorado & Connecticut. Two states with the strictest gun laws in the U.S. Guess what, they didn't work. They also have the strongest assault rifle ban in the country. How'd that work out for ya? (That being said, I will say, in the spirit of compromise, I don't necessarily have a problem with trying to ban assault weapons. No one but psychos need those, and I'm ok with minor limitations on the first 10 amendments. You can't yell fire in a crowded theater either, and I'm ok with that. However, more to the point, I don't believe, as evidenced here, that assault weapon bans can or will have their desired affect.)
Guns are illegal in schools...didn't stop him. Trespassing is illegal...didn't stop him. Murder is illegal...didn't stop him. The kid tried to buy his guns from the store, and the waiting period did exactly what it was designed to do and deterred him, so he just stole them from his mother and ultimate victim who acquired them legally and would have passed any background check you can throw at her. Thinking you can just eradicate society from the over 300,000 guns owned by civilians is a fool's errand. Simple as that. Pure lunacy to even entertain the idea for more than a second that it's even possible, let alone speculate that accomplishing it would suddenly end all attacks from psychopaths. EVEN IF somehow all guns were impossible to get, even on the black market, this kid would have built a dirty bomb and blew up the entire fucking school. How do these people not see that?
Fuck the 31 pro-gun rights Republicans who pussed out and declined to go on Meet the Press. I watched a little bit of it, and it was just treated as a forgone conclusion that banning guns was the only solution. David Gregory smugly announced at least five times while I was watching that they reached out to all 31 and had no takers. WHY DO THIS? This implies heavily that the right to bear arms is indefensible when juxtaposed with a real-life scenario. Why not bring up all of these points that my dumb ass can clearly see? Why not rant about how if they allowed teachers to carry, they could have stopped this fucking psycho after the first shot? WHY FORFEIT THE DEBATE???
And speaking of Meet the Press, Bloomberg is a fucking fascist. It seems like he literally gets off from controlling people. Like he inhales deeply and has a tantric orgasm because he may get to take a constitutional right away like he did with evil large sodas.
People trying to blame video games, violent movies, and rap music: fuck you. This kid didn't partake in any of that. Most of these psychos didn't. Scapegoat cop-out, plain and simple. Statistics simply do not bear that theory out. Sorry. Maybe prayer in school's the magic bullet (no pun intended) as many on my Facebook have implied? Adam Lanza was active in his church. Doubt that him being forced to bow his head back when he was in school (he was 20) would have made a damn bit of difference. Sometimes, there just isn't an answer. The human psyche wants to believe there's a reason. There's an answer. There's a solution. Sometimes, there just isn't, as comforting as it would be if there was.
I'll tell you what wouldn't hurt, though. What would be far more effective than a gun ban or any of the other bullshit political agenda driven "solutions". Make it fucking illegal for the police to give out this fucker's name. The dude was a recluse with Asperger's. A loner that didn't fit in with anyone. He longed to be known. Guess what, now you can't turn on the TV without seeing his bitch-assed little face all over the screen and he's now a household name. He'll go down in the history books. He'll get a wiki page, the modern equivalent. I have no doubt, he saw "the Joker" from Aurora, and thought "Wow, people paid attention to him. Look at all the attention he's getting. I've got to outdo that. The bigger the body count, the more likely I am to be remembered forever. I need to one-up these other guys. Maybe I should kill some 5 year olds, that'll get people's attention. Stop with the nonstop coverage of the shooter himself, his story, his motivations, and his ugly fuckin' mug for weeks on end, and maybe, just maybe you won't inspire the next psycho.
That's what's different. Citizens have owned guns for hundreds of years. Kids have grown up with a media that glorifies guns for generations. Every one of you old fuckers had a cowboy hat and cap gun. The difference is the nonstop media coverage infecting these already deranged minds by glamorizing the killer.
End rant.
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Schools are a different animal. It's a no gun zone. Gun free. It's advertised as you drive in that if you are carrying a firearm with the intent to harm, you will have no resistance.
A microcosm of a "gun-free" society.
Why do schools comprise of 90% of these massacres? Followed by hospitals or government buildings i.e. post offices? What's the common denominator? Gun-free environments. Ever hear of a massacre like this at a gun show or a shooting range? It's not rocket science.
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A microcosm of a "gun-free" society.
Why do schools comprise of 90% of these massacres? Followed by hospitals or government buildings i.e. post offices? What's the common denominator? Gun-free environments. Ever hear of a massacre like this at a gun show or a shooting range? It's not rocket science.
This reminds me of this:
http://youtu.be/gLr-oZWPXVc
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What makes this even more sick and bizarre was that Lanza killed his mom before going to the school.
So what the fuck was he doing going to her school for?
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Ridgefield Conn. school district on lockdown right now after someone spotted a man with a rifle. About 19 miles from Newtown.
Chad, your mention about a dirty bomb is spot on. I was talking about that with someone this weekend. Take away guns. So what? Now a psycho will just blow shit up. A guy in China took a hatchet to 20+ people last week. Guess we should ban hatchets.
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Ridgefield Conn. school district on lockdown right now after someone spotted a man with a rifle. About 19 miles from Newtown.
Chad, your mention about a dirty bomb is spot on. I was talking about that with someone this weekend. Take away guns. So what? Now a psycho will just blow shit up. A guy in China took a hatchet to 20+ people last week. Guess we should ban hatchets.
Exactly. Taking away a gun doesn't address the cause. The weapon is merely a mechanism. If a crazy person needed to, they would use a hammer or a steal knife. If taking away guns worked, the strictest gun control states/cities would have lower murders/mass shootings. They don't. In fact they are worse. 2 cases in point: DC and Chicago.
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This is one political issue that I align 100% with the rednecks of TigersX on. :poke:
In all seriousness, it absolutely blows my mind that so many people (judging by Twitter, the media, etc.) seem to think that the only logical magic wand answer is banning guns. Repealing the second amendment of the Bill of Rights. As if there's no consequences to that. As if making guns illegal will make them disappear from society. Cliche's just end up becoming white noise, but it bears repeating: Criminalize guns and only criminals will have guns.
It blows my mind that the same people who see that the war on drugs is a failure, don't see that a gun ban would be just as much of a failure. The last two high-profile shootings were in Colorado & Connecticut. Two states with the strictest gun laws in the U.S. Guess what, they didn't work. They also have the strongest assault rifle ban in the country. How'd that work out for ya? (That being said, I will say, in the spirit of compromise, I don't necessarily have a problem with trying to ban assault weapons. No one but psychos need those, and I'm ok with minor limitations on the first 10 amendments. You can't yell fire in a crowded theater either, and I'm ok with that. However, more to the point, I don't believe, as evidenced here, that assault weapon bans can or will have their desired affect.)
Guns are illegal in schools...didn't stop him. Trespassing is illegal...didn't stop him. Murder is illegal...didn't stop him. The kid tried to buy his guns from the store, and the waiting period did exactly what it was designed to do and deterred him, so he just stole them from his mother and ultimate victim who acquired them legally and would have passed any background check you can throw at her. Thinking you can just eradicate society from the over 300,000 guns owned by civilians is a fool's errand. Simple as that. Pure lunacy to even entertain the idea for more than a second that it's even possible, let alone speculate that accomplishing it would suddenly end all attacks from psychopaths. EVEN IF somehow all guns were impossible to get, even on the black market, this kid would have built a dirty bomb and blew up the entire fucking school. How do these people not see that?
Fuck the 31 pro-gun rights Republicans who pussed out and declined to go on Meet the Press. I watched a little bit of it, and it was just treated as a forgone conclusion that banning guns was the only solution. David Gregory smugly announced at least five times while I was watching that they reached out to all 31 and had no takers. WHY DO THIS? This implies heavily that the right to bear arms is indefensible when juxtaposed with a real-life scenario. Why not bring up all of these points that my dumb ass can clearly see? Why not rant about how if they allowed teachers to carry, they could have stopped this fucking psycho after the first shot? WHY FORFEIT THE DEBATE???
And speaking of Meet the Press, Bloomberg is a fucking fascist. It seems like he literally gets off from controlling people. Like he inhales deeply and has a tantric orgasm because he may get to take a constitutional right away like he did with evil large sodas.
People trying to blame video games, violent movies, and rap music: fuck you. This kid didn't partake in any of that. Most of these psychos didn't. Scapegoat cop-out, plain and simple. Statistics simply do not bear that theory out. Sorry. Maybe prayer in school's the magic bullet (no pun intended) as many on my Facebook have implied? Adam Lanza was active in his church. Doubt that him being forced to bow his head back when he was in school (he was 20) would have made a damn bit of difference. Sometimes, there just isn't an answer. The human psyche wants to believe there's a reason. There's an answer. There's a solution. Sometimes, there just isn't, as comforting as it would be if there was.
I'll tell you what wouldn't hurt, though. What would be far more effective than a gun ban or any of the other bullshit political agenda driven "solutions". Make it fucking illegal for the police to give out this fucker's name. The dude was a recluse with Asperger's. A loner that didn't fit in with anyone. He longed to be known. Guess what, now you can't turn on the TV without seeing his bitch-assed little face all over the screen and he's now a household name. He'll go down in the history books. He'll get a wiki page, the modern equivalent. I have no doubt, he saw "the Joker" from Aurora, and thought "Wow, people paid attention to him. Look at all the attention he's getting. I've got to outdo that. The bigger the body count, the more likely I am to be remembered forever. I need to one-up these other guys. Maybe I should kill some 5 year olds, that'll get people's attention. Stop with the nonstop coverage of the shooter himself, his story, his motivations, and his ugly fuckin' mug for weeks on end, and maybe, just maybe you won't inspire the next psycho.
That's what's different. Citizens have owned guns for hundreds of years. Kids have grown up with a media that glorifies guns for generations. Every one of you old fuckers had a cowboy hat and cap gun. The difference is the nonstop media coverage infecting these already deranged minds by glamorizing the killer.
End rant.
Golf clap.
More on how the media is having a negative effect:
The teacher across the hall from me has gone batshit insane. She's already a bit of a headcase with depression issues and I know she takes anxiety medicine. But she watches the news all the time. She eats lunch alone to watch CNN. She posts on Facebook every night her thoughts on the current headline news. She's 40 years old, a mother of two (8 and 5), and softer than soggy wad of toilet paper.
So today, I'm walking to my room, and there she is looking solemn. She's holding a large poster board that says, "No purses, bookbags, pencil bags, jackets, or hoodies allowed." She's also standing a foot from her door instead of the usual spot where a few of us teachers stand. When the bell rings, she immediately closes the door. I then hear something scooting on the floor in her room. Her door window is covered with some kind of thick blanket.
One of her tardy students knocked on the door. I heard the scooting sound, and she barely cracked the door. I noticed that she had moved her long rectangular table in front of the door. The student squeezed in and she quickly slammed it shut and the door lock clanked.
Now, I understand that she's just being a basket case, but a few minutes ago, I asked her what was going on. She said she spent the weekend watching the news reports on this guy and hearing reports about other school shootings. She said she knows a shooting could happen at any time and isn't going to be a victim.
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Golf clap.
More on how the media is having a negative effect:
The teacher across the hall from me has gone batshit insane. She's already a bit of a headcase with depression issues and I know she takes anxiety medicine. But she watches the news all the time. She eats lunch alone to watch CNN. She posts on Facebook every night her thoughts on the current headline news. She's 40 years old, a mother of two (8 and 5), and softer than soggy wad of toilet paper.
So today, I'm walking to my room, and there she is looking solemn. She's holding a large poster board that says, "No purses, bookbags, pencil bags, jackets, or hoodies allowed." She's also standing a foot from her door instead of the usual spot where a few of us teachers stand. When the bell rings, she immediately closes the door. I then hear something scooting on the floor in her room. Her door window is covered with some kind of thick blanket.
One of her tardy students knocked on the door. I heard the scooting sound, and she barely cracked the door. I noticed that she had moved her long rectangular table in front of the door. The student squeezed in and she quickly slammed it shut and the door lock clanked.
Now, I understand that she's just being a basket case, but a few minutes ago, I asked her what was going on. She said she spent the weekend watching the news reports on this guy and hearing reports about other school shootings. She said she knows a shooting could happen at any time and isn't going to be a victim.
Yep thats gonna do a lot of good when he shoots out her lock and kicks open the door.
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Golf clap.
More on how the media is having a negative effect:
The teacher across the hall from me has gone batshit insane. She's already a bit of a headcase with depression issues and I know she takes anxiety medicine. But she watches the news all the time. She eats lunch alone to watch CNN. She posts on Facebook every night her thoughts on the current headline news. She's 40 years old, a mother of two (8 and 5), and softer than soggy wad of toilet paper.
So today, I'm walking to my room, and there she is looking solemn. She's holding a large poster board that says, "No purses, bookbags, pencil bags, jackets, or hoodies allowed." She's also standing a foot from her door instead of the usual spot where a few of us teachers stand. When the bell rings, she immediately closes the door. I then hear something scooting on the floor in her room. Her door window is covered with some kind of thick blanket.
One of her tardy students knocked on the door. I heard the scooting sound, and she barely cracked the door. I noticed that she had moved her long rectangular table in front of the door. The student squeezed in and she quickly slammed it shut and the door lock clanked.
Now, I understand that she's just being a basket case, but a few minutes ago, I asked her what was going on. She said she spent the weekend watching the news reports on this guy and hearing reports about other school shootings. She said she knows a shooting could happen at any time and isn't going to be a victim.
You and Chadskins are spot on. Everything is an empathetic reaction now. I really believe the purpose of the underlying gun control movement is to disarm the populace. I really do. Not to make us safer which is what they peddle to the messes via people's emotions. The same shit was done in Germany and the soviet union with the same propaganda. And the masses are falling for it again by not thinking with their brains.
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Guess we should ban hatchets.
Well just don't ban the hatchet wound.
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Well just don't ban the hatchet wound.
Can we ban the bleeding of said wound?
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You and Chadskins are spot on. Everything is an empathetic reaction now. I really believe the purpose of the underlying gun control movement is to disarm the populace. I really do. Not to make us safer which is what they peddle to the messes via people's emotions. The same shit was done in Germany and the soviet union with the same propaganda. And the masses are falling for it again by not thinking with their brains.
And emotions are the main problem.
I feel like a dissertation could be written (and may have been written) on the effects of the 1950s and 60s on America.
In the 1950s, many Americans experienced a great deal of success and happiness and lived the Leave it to Beaver life. However, quite a few felt that the 1950s American dream was not their ideal place. But because they were heirs to the Madison Ave crowd, they felt entitled to a life of happiness instead of a life pursuing happiness. And with that entitlement came the 60s movement and Civil Rights. And with the 60s movement and Civil Rights came the perpetual expecation that progression should be full speed ahead at all times.
We're a very emotional group, we Americans.
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Am I the only one who is thinking about the weakest co-worker to grab and use as a shield?
Too soon?
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Just a side note and :facepalm: I was watching some of the coverage on one of the networks that afternoon. The reporter, news anchor....whatever...was interviewing the mayor of that city and asked him not once, not twice, but four times if he could comment on the victims. (Who they were...how many were kids etc.) Each time, he told her he could not and that would be a job for the police at the press conference. He actually laughed a little the last time she asked and you could tell he was thinking, "What kind of dumbass is asking me these questions?" Then, when it was clear that the lady was reaching for anything to ask, she comes up wit this jewel.
"Does this kind of thing happen very much in your city?"
:blink:
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You and Chadskins are spot on. Everything is an empathetic reaction now.
Yeah, that's another thing.
My twitter feed (mostly follow celebrities, so this isn't unexpected) was ranting and raving about how guns should be banned NOW! TODAY! during the day on Friday. Before we even knew all of the details. Because knee-jerk reactions are always the best way to legislate. :taunt:
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I have only heard a few people talk about what seems to me to be a bigger problem - treatment for mental illness. And I know Token will back me up here.
This guy could have threatened to kill his mother daily - but until he made a move on her, there is NOTHING she can do legally to protect herself or anyone else. He has to make good on a violent act before he can be charged with anything, which is then too little too late.
Access to appropriate care for the mentally ill is non-existent. THAT is a common thread among all of these cases - not only are they in strict gun control states, but they are in touchy feeley "even crazy people got rights" states. If someone is a threat to himself, fine. If they are a threat to others? They need to be removed from society - yeah, I said it. You keeping your violent son with congnitive disassociation disorder living next door to me because you can't stand the thought of him being locked up somewhere safe? I don't think so. But there is also no where to send these damaged people.
Go read the article I posted in another thread called "I am Adam Lanza's Mother" and see if you don't want to just reach through your computer and bitch slap this woman.
And yeah, let's pile on the mother a little bit: you have a mentally disturbed kid in your house and you have GUNS accessible to him? You take him to the gun range to improve his aim? This is not a gun control issue - she can legally own as many as she likes, I don't care. But dammit, she should have made sure they were secured and out of his reach. I am held liable if my small kids get a gun and hurt themselves or others - a mentally disabled person is no different. If she had survived? Criminal charges should have been filed.
Holy shit. THe gun control issue is an easy, politically popular hot button - but mental health care is not - and THAT is the real problem in this country.
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Let me see if I have this right according to what the MSM is feeding the sheeple.:
Sources:
A clumsy 20 year old autistic kid -
http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/14/justice/connecticut-shooting-suspect-profile/index.html
dressed in camo -
http://dailycaller.com/2012/12/14/suspected-conn-elementary-school-shooters-parents-found-dead/
and full body armor -
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/12/what-happened-newtown-connecticut-elementary-school-shooting
drives to another state -
http://www.inquisitr.com/438753/adam-lanza-connecticut-school-shooting-suspect-reportedly-killed-both-parents/
Gets into a locked school looking like rambo-
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/15/nyregion/shooting-reported-at-connecticut-elementary-school.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
kills 26 people with dead on accuracy -
http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/15/us/connecticut-school-shooting/index.html
at a school his mother, (a retired teacher no one ever heard of before) used to work there in years before - http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57559420/connecticut-town-mourns-as-police-look-for-answers/
after allegedly killing her ...-
http://www.niticentral.com/2012/12/us-school-shooting-how-it-happened.html
with the gun that belonged to her in the first place -
http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/15/us/connecticut-lanza-family-profile/index.html
http://newsfeed.time.com/2012/12/14/massacre-of-the-innocents-chilling-details-about-the-gunman-in-the-schoolhouse/
Then takes his own life
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/15/nyregion/shooting-reported-at-connecticut-elementary-school.html?pagewanted=all
(http://www.secretsofthefed.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/photo-2.jpg)
http://www.secretsofthefed.com/facebook-now-suspending-accounts-which-question-mainstream-media-reportingaccount-of-events/
And who shot Kennedy and why?
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Let me see if I have this right according to what the MSM is feeding the sheeple.:
http://www.secretsofthefed.com/facebook-now-suspending-accounts-which-question-mainstream-media-reportingaccount-of-events/
And who shot Kennedy and why?
Don't forget the army dude caught in the woods and the LIBOR connection.
BLACK HELICOPTERS
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Let me see if I have this right according to what the MSM is feeding the sheeple.:
And who shot Kennedy and why?
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lgerig9miu1qbet6eo1_500.jpg)
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I have only heard a few people talk about what seems to me to be a bigger problem - treatment for mental illness. And I know Token will back me up here.
This guy could have threatened to kill his mother daily - but until he made a move on her, there is NOTHING she can do legally to protect herself or anyone else. He has to make good on a violent act before he can be charged with anything, which is then too little too late.
Access to appropriate care for the mentally ill is non-existent. THAT is a common thread among all of these cases - not only are they in strict gun control states, but they are in touchy feeley "even crazy people got rights" states. If someone is a threat to himself, fine. If they are a threat to others? They need to be removed from society - yeah, I said it. You keeping your violent son with congnitive disassociation disorder living next door to me because you can't stand the thought of him being locked up somewhere safe? I don't think so. But there is also no where to send these damaged people.
Go read the article I posted in another thread called "I am Adam Lanza's Mother" and see if you don't want to just reach through your computer and bitch slap this woman.
And yeah, let's pile on the mother a little bit: you have a mentally disturbed kid in your house and you have GUNS accessible to him? You take him to the gun range to improve his aim? This is not a gun control issue - she can legally own as many as she likes, I don't care. But dammit, she should have made sure they were secured and out of his reach. I am held liable if my small kids get a gun and hurt themselves or others - a mentally disabled person is no different. If she had survived? Criminal charges should have been filed.
Holy shit. THe gun control issue is an easy, politically popular hot button - but mental health care is not - and THAT is the real problem in this country.
You kind of brought this up in your post - What more could the government and mental health services do? Routine inspections of homes with autistic kids to make sure they don't have any weapons around?
You could have the perfect system in place to help Adam Lanza, but if Mama is going to have guns and knives and other harmful materials accessible to the kid, then damage is going to happen.
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Don't forget the army dude caught in the woods and the LIBOR connection.
BLACK HELICOPTERS
I think I have enough already. My point has been proven. I shot down the black helicopter shortly after I shot down the drone. 10 gauge magnum full bore. I'm off to be the wizard.
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I think I have enough already. My point has been proven. I shot down the black helicopter shortly after I shot down the drone. 10 gauge magnum full bore. I'm off to be the wizard.
Are you Adam Lanza's mother?
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Today, the Baldwin County School superintendent here in Alabama is proposing at least one armed police officer in every school in the system each school day. The estimated cost would be $3.5 million per year, or 66 cents per day per student.
Will this guarantee that nothing like the CT tragedy will happen in my county? No. Do I think it is a sad state of affairs that this is even contemplated? Yes. I don't care if it costs $7 million. Do it. If we aren't going to allow teachers to arm themselves, I think that this is the next best thing. Fight fire with fire. Here in Baldwin county, we pay an extra penny tax that goes directly to the school system. We voted for this tax hike to combat proration by the state. Baldwin County can certainly afford it, and I'm glad they're going to try to make it happen.
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I think I have enough already. My point has been proven. I shot down the black helicopter shortly after I shot down the drone. 10 gauge magnum full bore. I'm off to be the wizard.
This frog shows up at the doctor's office and explains to the Doc that his johnson has turned yellow. The Doc examines him and says "Ooohh, this is a case that only the wizard can handle. You need to see the wizard." He gives the frog directions and off he goes.
Next patient is a rabbit with the same problem except his willy has turned orange. The Doc examines him and says, "Oh, a lot of this going around. You need to see the wizard. He can cure you."
Okay, but how do I get there?
It's easy. Just follow the yellow dick toad.
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This frog shows up at the doctor's office and explains to the Doc that his johnson has turned yellow. The Doc examines him and says "Ooohh, this is a case that only the wizard can handle. You need to see the wizard." He gives the frog directions and off he goes.
Next patient is a rabbit with the same problem except his willy has turned orange. The Doc examines him and says, "Oh, a lot of this going around. You need to see the wizard. He can cure you."
Okay, but how do I get there?
It's easy. Just follow the yellow dick toad.
:rofl:
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Today, the Baldwin County School superintendent here in Alabama is proposing at least one armed police officer in every school in the system each school day. The estimated cost would be $3.5 million per year, or 66 cents per day per student.
Will this guarantee that nothing like the CT tragedy will happen in my county? No. Do I think it is a sad state of affairs that this is even contemplated? Yes. I don't care if it costs $7 million. Do it. If we aren't going to allow teachers to arm themselves, I think that this is the next best thing. Fight fire with fire. Here in Baldwin county, we pay an extra penny tax that goes directly to the school system. We voted for this tax hike to combat proration by the state. Baldwin County can certainly afford it, and I'm glad they're going to try to make it happen.
Dropped off my daughter at school this morning and a deputy was there at the door, gun at his side. I asked if he was going to be there all day and he answered in the affirmative. I think he was standing there in plain view as more of a reassurance to the parents than the kids.
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Dropped off my daughter at school this morning and a deputy was there at the door, gun at his side. I asked if he was going to be there all day and he answered in the affirmative. I think he was standing there in plain view as more of a reassurance to the parents than the kids.
He was. And I've seen the argument that the gunman would simply shoot the officer first. It's a valid argument, and could probably happen. But Chad already touched on this today. Why is it always schools? Because the crazy, deranged, mentally unstable gunman are always stable enough to know where there isn't a gun. They aren't afraid to die, obviously, but if there is a chance they are going to be shot and killed before stepping in the door, probably going to find somewhere else first. And if they don't? If they do get into a gun fight with an officer at the door? Even if they kill the officer, 1 round being fired is enough for teachers to start shutting and locking classroom doors while other officers are on the way.
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Dropped off my daughter at school this morning and a deputy was there at the door, gun at his side. I asked if he was going to be there all day and he answered in the affirmative. I think he was standing there in plain view as more of a reassurance to the parents than the kids.
Alot of our local departments did this, and plan to do so for the whole week. The department that I work for included. Some parents actually don't like it and they think it sends the wrong message to the kids. Like you said, it is more so for reassurance than anything.
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He was. And I've seen the argument that the gunman would simply shoot the officer first. It's a valid argument, and could probably happen. But Chad already touched on this today. Why is it always schools? Because the crazy, deranged, mentally instable gunman are always stable enough to know where there isn't a gun. They aren't afraid to die, obviously, but if there is a chance they are going to be shot and killed before stepping in the door, probably going to find somewhere else first. And if they don't? If they do get into a gun fight with an officer at the door? Even if they kill the officer, 1 round being fired is enough for teachers to start shutting and locking classroom doors while other officers are on the way.
Exactly.
Call him a deterrent, a decoy, or whatever you want. I don't know that I would guarantee, but I would be willing to bet that an officer at every school would more than likely save more lives than not having one. You hit the nail on the head. The turds target the places that they do because they want to kill as many as possible, and they know that they will be unopposed. I think it is past time to change that.
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Dropped off my daughter at school this morning and a deputy was there at the door, gun at his side. I asked if he was going to be there all day and he answered in the affirmative. I think he was standing there in plain view as more of a reassurance to the parents than the kids.
I approve of this message and Hallie Dixon cause she don't play. Sad that Mobile hasn't that type of leadership. Instead, we have fucking Moon Pies falling out of the sky. Makes me wanna move across the bay where Sheriff Huey “Hoss†Mack has things under control.
There is a nonviolent cure for this shit, but it involves security systems that would only be known by very few. With artificial intelligence it can be done though. Here is the main weapon to be use outside of the school and classrooms.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmuyLIrSjxI
"All the calling card of satan"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W90BwRwVaIM
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I am tired of the "assault weapon" and high cap mag bullshit.
Many uneducated people talk about assault weapons. None if them can actually explain what one is. But they can show you a picture of it!
As I sit here, my high cap mag is begging me to go out and shoot some people. I'm not sure if I can withstand its allure. I have to put it up. I can't control myself.
Knee jerk reactions from people who have had it drilled in their head that all of the gun nuts are running around with assault rifle machine guns just waiting for somebody to piss us off.
And for the record, there are over 200 million guns in the US. You'd think us crazy gun nuts would have wiped out everybody by now!
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I blame the drugs.
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I blame the drugs.
I must agree, or lack thereof.
You may as well say that, from this point on, the rest of the events in Newtown, Connecticut, will be brought to you by Merck, Glaxo, and Pfizer.
Media outlets are already reporting that “a raft of services†will be available for the children of Sandy Hook Elementary school, and the Newtown community, where Adam Lanza killed 26 people yesterday.
This is phase two. It always happens at these mass murder events. The grief counselors. The social service workers. The psychologists.
They pour in. And they end up referring people to psychiatrists, who will in turn prescribe some of the very drugs that trigger murder and suicide.
The drugs that cause people to kill.
This is one way the psychiatric drug industry spreads its heinous influence.
http://lewrockwell.com/orig13/rappoport3.1.1.html
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"All the calling card of satan"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W90BwRwVaIM
Well, there's your answer. Same reason Auburn sucked this year, according to Jonna Chizik.
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Well, there's your answer. Same reason Auburn sucked this year, according to Jonna Chizik.
Sorry, I wasn't going to comment further, but I can't help it.
WHAT THE FUCK. This is up there with Westboro lunacy. So basically Rick is saying that the reason this is happening is because God is punishing us for not hating fags enough? "I don't wanna hear no medical science mumbo jumbo about no mental disorders!" Why isn't this happening more often in the Middle East and Asia where pretty much no one believes in the Christian God?
Maybe he wore body armor because he wanted to do as much damage as possible before offing himself? Nahhh...illogical. "Seems to be a conflict there, dudn't it," as Bubba so eloquently put it.
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Sorry, I wasn't going to comment further, but I can't help it.
WHAT THE FUCK. This is up there with Westboro lunacy. So basically Rick is saying that the reason this is happening is because God is punishing us for not hating fags enough? "I don't wanna hear no medical science mumbo jumbo about no mental disorders!" Why isn't this happening more often in the Middle East and Asia where pretty much no one believes in the Christian God?
Maybe he wore body armor because he wanted to do as much damage as possible before offing himself? Nahhh...illogical. "Seems to be a conflict there, dudn't it," as Bubba so eloquently put it.
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The Rev Billy Ray Collins reminds you to turn.....before ya burn!!!
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Sorry, I wasn't going to comment further, but I can't help it.
WHAT THE fudge. This is up there with Westboro lunacy. So basically Rick is saying that the reason this is happening is because God is punishing us for not hating fags enough? "I don't wanna hear no medical science mumbo jumbo about no mental disorders!" Why isn't this happening more often in the Middle East and Asia where pretty much no one believes in the Christian God?
Maybe he wore body armor because he wanted to do as much damage as possible before offing himself? Nahhh...illogical. "Seems to be a conflict there, dudn't it," as Bubba so eloquently put it.
If you heard that (bolded) then you heard what you wanted to hear. I am not defending Rick, but at the same time you cannot say that there is not evil in this world. And I have news for you...this is nothing new. Massacres have been taking place all over the world for a long, long time. It's just this one was on our proverbial doorstep and we live in a 24/7 news era where it gets flaunted incessantly.
The reality is that we live in a broken world. I'll stop there before I step off into a theological rant.
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And there is so much wrong with this sign that it makes me simultaneously :facepalm: and :&
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I think Chad's issue with Rick's rant is that he is not addressing the issue. The issue is mental illness and how to prevent similar instances in the future. Instead, Rick decides to use the tragedy as a way to preach down to people and sway people towards his religious view point.
Like you said, there have been tragedies throughout history. To say God is smiting us and that we need to beg his forgiveness or we will burn like Rome, is...well...why a lot of people turn up there noses towards some Christians.
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Sorry, I wasn't going to comment further, but I can't help it.
WHAT THE fudge. This is up there with Westboro lunacy. So basically Rick is saying that the reason this is happening is because God is punishing us for not hating fags enough? "I don't wanna hear no medical science mumbo jumbo about no mental disorders!" Why isn't this happening more often in the Middle East and Asia where pretty much no one believes in the Christian God?
Maybe he wore body armor because he wanted to do as much damage as possible before offing himself? Nahhh...illogical. "Seems to be a conflict there, dudn't it," as Bubba so eloquently put it.
Seriously? The only difference is there it is carried out by "sane" people who are well organized.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/afghanistan/9014282/Afghan-boy-suicide-bombers-tell-how-they-are-brainwashed-into-believing-they-will-survive.html (Afghan child suicide bombers)
http://articles.latimes.com/2012/oct/26/world/la-fg-pakistan-education-taliban-20121027 (Taliban attacks schools and individual children in Afghanistan)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_attacks_in_China_%282010%E2%80%932011%29 (Multiple school attacks in China)
http://chronicle.augusta.com/stories/2007/02/25/let_117908.shtml (Child prostitutes in Thailand)
Took me all of 3 minutes to find.
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I think Chad's issue with Rick's rant is that he is not addressing the issue. The issue is mental illness and how to prevent similar instances in the future. Instead, Rick decides to use the tragedy as a way to preach down to people and sway people towards his religious view point.
Like you said, there have been tragedies throughout history. To say God is smiting us and that we need to beg his forgiveness or we will burn like Rome, is...well...why a lot of people turn up there noses towards some Christians.
Exactly.
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Shaking his head with disgust that we are "chasin' off after gun control. Chasin' off after...we're gon' have some discussion about mental illness. So God can't stop someone who's mentally ill from slaughtering people? Of course he can! The question you'd better ask yourself is why isn't God holdin back his wrath? Why is he allowing it to happen, because he is. That better be our focus. Anything less than that will solve nothing."
Seriously? So he's saying A) humans don't have free will, and B) he's dismissing the very notion of even having discussions about mental illness because it's ignoring the "real" issue, which is that our society is not "righteous" enough for God's liking, so he's punishing us?
Tell me how this is different from the Westboro Baptist Church?
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Seriously? So he's saying A) humans don't have free will, and B) he's dismissing the very notion of even having discussions about mental illness because it's ignoring the "real" issue, which is that our society is not "righteous" enough for God's liking, so he's punishing us?
Tell me how this is different from the Westboro Baptist Church?
Rick's view is Rick's view. I don't necessarily agree that this is part of "God's Wrath." Evil events occur, and will continue to occur until Jesus returns. In saying that, no person, group or society will ever be "righteous" enough for God's liking. From America to Israel to Iran to North Korea, not one country will ever attain that status. No one person will either, for that matter.
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I think Chad's issue with Rick's rant is that he is not addressing the issue. The issue is mental illness and how to prevent similar instances in the future. Instead, Rick decides to use the tragedy as a way to preach down to people and sway people towards his religious view point.
Like you said, there have been tragedies throughout history. To say God is smiting us and that we need to beg his forgiveness or we will burn like Rome, is...well...why a lot of people turn up there noses towards some Christians.
The treatment for Autism/Assburgers and the condition itself are the cause of violence.
Shame on the Columbia Journalism Review for such shoddy claims. Nobody is saying that Asperger's or Autism leads to violence. It is the medications prescribed for those conditions that are the problem. There is a long and well-documented link between SSRI medications and random acts of otherwise inexplicable violence. The web site ssristories.com lists 66 incidents of violence at schools in which the perpetrators were taking or withdrawing from prescription anti-depressants at the time. One of the Columbine killers, Eric Harris, was on Zoloft then later Luvox (the other shooter's medical records have never been released). It is reasonable to ask what medications the Dark Knight Shooter was taking, or the man who shot up that mall in Portland.
Congress has already held hearings on the dangers of SSRIs, but members of congress do not want to risk campaign contributions from Big Pharma, nor does the corporate media wish to lose those lucrative pharmaceutical advertising deals, so the public is kept in the dark, and the blame for violence dropped on guns.
The medical profession also knows there is a problem. They even have a fancy-sounding name for it, "Akathisia", a name used to cloud the link between psychotic episodes and prescription anti-depressants. According to the website lawyersandsettlements.com it is normal for pharmaceutical corporations to settle claims out of court and include a non-disclosure clause along with payment to the families. When cases do go to court, the court records are usually sealed.
Don’t take my word for it, web-search “SSRI suicide†and “SSRI homicide†and “SSRI violence†and you shall know the truth, and the truth shall piss you off!
http://whatreallyhappened.com/node/208201
http://lib.bioinfo.pl/pmid:10647977
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The treatment for Autism/Assburgers and the condition itself are the cause of violence.
http://lib.bioinfo.pl/pmid:10647977
For once I agree with you somewhat. Although I think the drugs are a component of the entire problem.
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In saying that, no person, group or society will ever be "righteous" enough for God's liking. From America to Israel to Iran to North Korea, not one country will ever attain that status. No one person will either, for that matter.
Even these guys?
(http://www.soulwalking.co.uk/%A5Artist%20GIF%20Images/Righteous-Brothers-9.jpg)
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I'm not going to preach, and it may or may not have had anything to do with this case....
But if you take God out of EVERYTHING, you end up with a GODLESS society
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I'm not going to preach, and it may or may not have had anything to do with this case....
But if you take God out of EVERYTHING, you end up with a GODLESS society
Isn't that what we presently have in this country?
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Isn't that what we presently have in this country?
No. Not even close
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Even these guys?
(http://www.soulwalking.co.uk/%A5Artist%20GIF%20Images/Righteous-Brothers-9.jpg)
Especially those guys.
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I'm not going to preach, and it may or may not have had anything to do with this case....
But if you take God out of EVERYTHING, you end up with a GODLESS society
Like taking God out of the Catholic Church, which led to all those child molestations.
Or taking God out of the evangelical church, which led to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_scandals_involving_evangelical_Christians#List_of_evangelical_Christians_involved_in_scandals .
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Hey, Jimmy Swaggart was really, really sorry.
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No. Not even close
I think we are closer than most people realize.
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Like taking God out of the Catholic Church, which led to all those child molestations.
Or taking God out of the evangelical church, which led to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_scandals_involving_evangelical_Christians#List_of_evangelical_Christians_involved_in_scandals .
Big difference between God and man...and man made religions. Religions unto themselves are fallible because they are made, run and determined by fallible men based on books written 2000 plus years ago.
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Big difference between God and man...and man made religions. Religions unto themselves are fallible because they are made, run and determined by fallible men based on books written 2000 plus years ago.
Interesting take. So with that stated, what you do you make of Jesus' life? I'm genuinely curious.
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Interesting take. So with that stated, what you do you make of Jesus' life? I'm genuinely curious.
The story of Jesus was written by a man, not named Jesus.
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The story of Jesus was written by a man, not named Jesus.
So, first hand, eye witness accounts from those who walked side by side with him mean nothing?
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So, first hand, eye witness accounts from those who walked side by side with him mean nothing?
No one said that.
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No one said that.
Why was the comment even necessary if that wasn't pretty much the intent? The question was what do you think about Jesus' life. Answer: It was a story written by man.
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Why was the comment even necessary if that wasn't pretty much the intent? The question was what do you think about Jesus' life. Answer: It was a story written by man.
Well, it was. And I was just adding to Godfather's comment for further discussion.
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Porn is great....until you have to explain it to your 10 year old daughter who just found your stash
Pot is great.....until you catch your 6th grader doing it in the bathroom because he found your stash in your night stand
Drugs should be legal until your own kid gets hooked
God should be removed from the public square until you need the community to pray for your kidnapped kid
If evolution were a proven fact...why do we still have monkeys?
Violent video games are great.....until your kid takes an UZI to his classroom
just saying that society ought to look back to the days where "everything goes" is not the norm
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Interesting take. So with that stated, what you do you make of Jesus' life? I'm genuinely curious.
I'll give you a for instance. I believe that Jesus was the son of God. I believe that the apostles were men and were fallible. Noted numerous times in said bible. Even Peter on whom the Catholic Church was built was a fallible man, whom denied Jesus himself. I believe the teachings in the book were meant to act as a guide towards living a better life, not sodom and gomorrah, not worshiping multiple gods.
I consider myself a pretty devout Catholic, I don't however believe in every teaching that the Catholic Church feeds me. (which would lead one to question the devout I suppose)
Based on religions teachings each religion believes their religion to be the correct one. So God only accepts Catholics into heaven? I don't believe that, religion itself is as much an upbringing combined with ones own demography. I think you should believe in something, respect your God, do right by all and live your life the best way you can.
I would rather be the guy that prays every night but doesn't believe in one organized religion lives a good life vs. The Guy that goes to church every Sunday, but beats his wife and kid.
I also don't believe that a book written 2000 plus years ago gives us the answers to today's every question. Medical advances are lightyears (bigger then that) from what was going on at the time of Jesus. So who tells us these answers, in my faith the Catholic Church/ Vatican.
Great men of God no doubt, however I have a hard time buying into men, who have never had sex telling me I can't use todays medical advances to try and have a baby. The Catholic Churchs teaching say no artificial means.
Listen God created us all. He gave us the knowledge and free will to create these advances so I have a hard time believing he then wouldn't want us to use them. In the end it is my belief that his power is still creating the miracle of life.
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Porn is great....until you have to explain it to your 10 year old daughter who just found your stash
Pot is great.....until you catch your 6th grader doing it in the bathroom because he found your stash in your night stand
Drugs should be legal until your own kid gets hooked
God should be removed from the public square until you need the community to pray for your kidnapped kid
If evolution were a proven fact...why do we still have monkeys?
Violent video games are great.....until your kid takes an UZI to his classroom
just saying that society ought to look back to the days where "everything goes" is not the norm
Lulz wut?
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Well, it was. And I was just adding to Godfather's comment for further discussion.
I understand and actually agree with Godfather's comments more than you know. But, I think there's a huge difference...IF...you believe Jesus was/is the son of God. I always have and always will. Certainly don't live my life like it but that's another story for another time. I agree that the Bible was written by man and as such, there are certain things that need to be taken in the context of the times in which they were written. I believe one verse in Corinthians (Don't quote me...not a Bible scholar) instructs people to be kind to their slaves. Appropriate for those times. Not now. You get the idea.
But the difference for me is that belief in Jesus as the son of God and the first hand accounting of his life, his works and his teachings. Jesus didn't teach "religion". He gave us the blueprint for how to live our lives. Everything that he taught comes back to one central theme that transcends all religions. Do unto others as you would have others do unto you. It's really as simple as that for me. Again, I don't even pretend to have an in depth knowledge of the Bible. If the preacher says turn to Phillipians...I turn to the table of contents for the page. And I don't give a rat's fanny about learning the lineage of Abraham or any other Bible figure. My belief is what the story of Jesus' life shows us as an example of how to live our lives. It's my decision whether or not I tithe. Not the Methodist Church's or any other church/religion.
And THAT will be the end of my sermon and as much as you'll ever hear me speak from the pulpit.
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Just now catching up with this thread....been a little busy.
I for one am sick of hearing and reading about this. Not that I think the victims should be forgotten and I am not heartbroken, but a little time for the parents and families of those who died to grieve in peace would be nice.
I had to agree with Chizads post earlier. It's not the guns that are the problem. In the case of McVeigh it wasn't the U-Haul, fertiziler and igniter source that was the problem. The problem was and always will be is that some people just have snakes in their head, are evil and flat out suck at life so they want to take it out on others. Also agree with the news media giving him his 15 minutes of fame so to speak. Now everyone in the nation and across most of the world know who this kid is. Stop with that shit already. Also I can't believe that the media was right there sticking a camera and mic in kids faces. Really? I hate the media.
This whole situation.... tragedy sucks and is heartbreaking. I don't know what the solution is short of making the schools prison like with armed guards and razor wire fences, but identifying "problem" kids earlier would go a long way. Then again, schools will never do this b/c they are afraid of getting sued.
/tiredrant
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Just now catching up with this thread....been a little busy.
Look at the plus side, Cinemax shows all the softcore shit between 1am and 5am. You can get caught up on that.
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Saw this elsewhere. Assuming these facts are correct.
The USA passed the Gun Free school zones act in 1990. From 1990 to today, there have been 106 mass shootings.
From 1927 to 1989, there were only 16 mass murders. The worst of all didn't use any guns, and it was in 1927. Until 1986, anyone could buy a brand new automatic weapon. Until 1968 you could mail order guns with no background check. Why didn't it happen more before?
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I'll give you a for instance. I believe that Jesus was the son of God. I believe that the apostles were men and were fallible. Noted numerous times in said bible. Even Peter on whom the Catholic Church was built was a fallible man, whom denied Jesus himself. I believe the teachings in the book were meant to act as a guide towards living a better life, not sodom and gomorrah, not worshiping multiple gods.
I consider myself a pretty devout Catholic, I don't however believe in every teaching that the Catholic Church feeds me. (which would lead one to question the devout I suppose)
Based on religions teachings each religion believes their religion to be the correct one. So God only accepts Catholics into heaven? I don't believe that, religion itself is as much an upbringing combined with ones own demography. I think you should believe in something, respect your God, do right by all and live your life the best way you can.
I would rather be the guy that prays every night but doesn't believe in one organized religion lives a good life vs. The Guy that goes to church every Sunday, but beats his wife and kid.
I also don't believe that a book written 2000 plus years ago gives us the answers to today's every question. Medical advances are lightyears (bigger then that) from what was going on at the time of Jesus. So who tells us these answers, in my faith the Catholic Church/ Vatican.
Great men of God no doubt, however I have a hard time buying into men, who have never had sex telling me I can't use todays medical advances to try and have a baby. The Catholic Churchs teaching say no artificial means.
Listen God created us all. He gave us the knowledge and free will to create these advances so I have a hard time believing he then wouldn't want us to use them. In the end it is my belief that his power is still creating the miracle of life.
And just to expand a little futher, its worth noting that the version of the bible we read today was edited by an English king in the mid 1500s. There is truely no telling what was omitted and what might have been embellished to fit the King's agenda during his day.
With that said, I do believe the bible is the word of God and that eventhough parts of it were written hundreds of years after Jesus walked the earth, the main points of it should be followed. As in trying to live our lives in a Christ like manner.
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Saw this elsewhere. Assuming these facts are correct.
Good observation. And those are correct.
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Btw, good to see some take a stand against those Westboro assholes...
http://www.complex.com/tech/2012/12/anonymous-attacks-the-westboro-baptist-church-for-sandy-hook-funeral-protest
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And just to expand a little futher, its worth noting that the version of the bible we read today was edited by an English king in the mid 1500s. There is truely no telling what was omitted and what might have been embellished to fit the King's agenda during his day.
With that said, I do believe the bible is the word of God and that eventhough parts of it were written hundreds of years after Jesus walked the earth, the main points of it should be followed. As in trying to live our lives in a Christ like manner.
The English translation of the Bible we used until the mid 1970's was translated by order of an English king (who was no great guy) in the mid 1500's. Most of the modern English translations are from the direct from Latin and Greek.
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The English translation of the Bible we used until the mid 1970's was translated by order of an English king (who was no great guy) in the mid 1500's. Most of the modern English translations are from the direct from Latin and Greek.
Yep. And we have plenty of hard evidence to prove it. Also, the Dead Sea Scrolls helped establish the Old Testament as also being accurately translated from its original text.
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Yep. And we have plenty of hard evidence to prove it. Also, the Dead Sea Scrolls helped establish the Old Testament as also being accurately translated from its original text.
The bottom line on this issue is to pick it up and read it for yourself. Do not sit quietly in a pew (like a good little catholic) and trust another man's interpretation.
And if you do pick it up, read it, believe it, and follow it, you might or might not remain catholic. The many different flavors of religion we have today are closely based with just a few major tenets being in conflict with each other. But those tenets are ones that individuals find important enough to have a different church etc..
The bible really comes down to one truth for Christians. The surrounding issues are man's issues.
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The bottom line on this issue is to pick it up and read it for yourself. Do not sit quietly in a pew (like a good little catholic) and trust another man's interpretation.
And if you do pick it up, read it, believe it, and follow it, you might or might not remain catholic. The many different flavors of religion we have today are closely based with just a few major tenets being in conflict with each other. But those tenets are ones that individuals find important enough to have a different church etc..
The bible really comes down to one truth for Christians. The surrounding issues are man's issues.
I grew up catholic. I had issues with many of their beliefs and became Methodist during college.
I just had/have huge issue with the need to confess something to another mortal man or take my marching orders from the Vatican. No thanks. Not biblical and makes no practical sense in the teachings of JC. IMHO, Rome really messed up the catholic church.
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Look at the plus side, Cinemax shows all the softcore shit between 1am and 5am. You can get caught up on that.
True dat.
Saw this elsewhere. Assuming these facts are correct.
:thumsup:
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I grew up catholic. I had issues with many of their beliefs and became Methodist during college.
We like to refer to that as Roman Catholic twice removed.
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Samuel Mothafuckin' Jackson gets it:
http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/movies/moviesnow/la-et-mn-connecticut-shooting-samuel-jackson-gun-control-20121216,0,2690925.story
Shooting: Samuel Jackson says fewer guns aren't necessarily the answer
By Steven Zeitchik
December 16, 2012, 5:27 p.m.
The shootings at an elementary school in Newtown, Conn., have stirred up a slew of gun-control sentiment in Hollywood.
But an actor who stars in perhaps the most gun-heavy movie of the season says that an abundance of firearms in this country isn't necessarily the problem, and that reducing them isn't automatically the answer.
"I don't think it's about more gun control," said Samuel L. Jackson, who stars as a conniving house slave in Quentin Tarantino's upcoming revenge fantasy "Django Unchained." "I grew up in the South with guns everywhere and we never shot anyone. This [shooting] is about people who aren't taught the value of life."
Parents and role models who emphasize that value, he said, will accomplish more than legislators reducing the number of firearms.
Tarantino's movie features numerous scenes of gun violence, including two major shootouts in the final section involving Jamie Foxx's title character. Jackson's character, Stephen, figures prominently in both scenes, though he's a lot more likely to use his scheming mind as a weapon.
Jackson waved aside the idea that on-screen violence has an influence on someone who decides to behave violently in real life.
"I don't think movies or video games have anything to do with it," he said in an interview with The Times for an upcoming article about him. (Jackson has appeared in a public-service announcement calling for a reduction of violence in the inner city.)
On Sunday, Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) said she had introduced a bill to again ban assault weapons following the shooting that killed more than two dozen people, most of them children, at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown.
Activists have also called for closing the "gun show loophole," under which people can purchase guns without a background check.
Jackson acknowledged that restrictions of this sort could reduce the amount of firearm-related violence. "We need to stop deranged people from getting access to guns," he said.
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Try not to rage.
http://youtu.be/-FVQgLkbLjQ
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Watched a report last night where a gun shop owner was being interviewed. The reporter asked him how fast he could change out the clip on the AR-15 (I think that's what it's called) he was holding. 30 round clip out...pop....30 round clip in. 3 seconds max. The owner said it would have made no difference whether or not the guy had a 30 round clip or a 10 round clip given how fast you can change them out. In addition, he said he carries 60 round clips but sold out of all 2,000 he had in the last 4 days alone.
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Porn is great....until you have to explain it to your 10 year old daughter who just found your stash
Pot is great.....until you catch your 6th grader doing it in the bathroom because he found your stash in your night stand
Drugs should be legal until your own kid gets hooked
God should be removed from the public square until you need the community to pray for your kidnapped kid
If evolution were a proven fact...why do we still have monkeys?
Violent video games are great.....until your kid takes an UZI to his classroom
just saying that society ought to look back to the days where "everything goes" is not the norm
Well stated. My only addition is that even if evolution is proven 100% (which many would argue that it is), I have zero problem with keeping my faith. Just because I have a tail bone doesn't prove to me that I wasn't created by God.
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Then again, schools will never do this b/c they are afraid of getting sued.
/tiredrant
So, if I understand you correctly, you are saying that the root of this (as with lots of other problems) is lawyers?
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So, if I understand you correctly, you are saying that the root of this (as with lots of other problems) is lawyers?
Some of us them care.
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Some of us them care.
I might. Unless I don't
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Watched a report last night where a gun shop owner was being interviewed. The reporter asked him how fast he could change out the clip on the AR-15 (I think that's what it's called) he was holding. 30 round clip out...pop....30 round clip in. 3 seconds max. The owner said it would have made no difference whether or not the guy had a 30 round clip or a 10 round clip given how fast you can change them out. In addition, he said he carries 60 round clips but sold out of all 2,000 he had in the last 4 days alone.
I can breakdown and AR15 in 30 seconds and reassemble it in 30 seconds. Two clips are taped together at the bottoms, so as to release, flip, insert.
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I can breakdown and AR15 in 30 seconds and reassemble it in 30 seconds. Two clips are taped together at the bottoms, so as to release, flip, insert.
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lhcbdaG5qg1qgne6io1_250.gif)
(http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lnp6ngKGMR1qbjxm7.gif)
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I can breakdown and AR15 in 30 seconds and reassemble it in 30 seconds. Two clips are taped together at the bottoms, so as to release, flip, insert.
I can knock a dove off the fence behind my back patio at about 30 yds with my pellet rifle, stone dead. I can't reload that fast but I don't need to. One shot, one kill mf's.
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I wouldn't be smiling if I had just lost my 6 year-old daughter. What a fraud.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urrRcgB581w
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I wouldn't be smiling if I had just lost my 6 year-old daughter. What a fraud.
Why are you still allowed to have contact with the outside world?
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Why are you still allowed to have contact with the outside world?
Because I'm the fucking Wizard that's why.
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I can knock a dove off the fence behind my back patio at about 30 yds with my pellet rifle, stone dead. I can't reload that fast but I don't need to. One shot, one kill mf's.
I agree. However, 40 for 40 at the range in the Army qualifies me for the Expert Badge.
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I wouldn't be smiling if I had just lost my 6 year-old daughter. What a fraud.
You know, my first reaction to you posting this was "Here we go with another insane conspiracy theory", and I still think trying to say the entire shooting was a fraud would fall into those insane ramblings...but...
Something is definitely strange about that video.
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You know, my first reaction to you posting this was "Here we go with another insane conspiracy theory", and I still think trying to say the entire shooting was a fraud would fall into those insane ramblings...but...
Something is definitely strange about that video.
And to expound a bit, whoever titled the video, and to consider that proof that the entire incident was an orchestrated hoax...well, yeah, that is insane.
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Try not to rage.
http://youtu.be/-FVQgLkbLjQ
Piers Morgan likes to use the example of how the UK fags enacted strict gun control after the 1996 Dublane massacre. What he fails to elaborate on is that in the five years after the homicide rate by guns went up 4 fold in the UK and at BEST we're at the levels they were at the year of the massacre. The laws didn't lower the gun fatality rates a bit in fact making them worse. To add more, there have been gun massacres since this happened. There have been more in the 15 yrs since then the 15 years before. Gun control laws do not work... Period.
Also, the places these massacres are happening - including dunblane and newtown? Already gun free zones. Criminals don't obey laws.
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You know, my first reaction to you posting this was "Here we go with another insane conspiracy theory", and I still think trying to say the entire shooting was a fraud would fall into those insane ramblings...but...
Something is definitely strange about that video.
They do this shit every time they want to pass legislation which removes our liberties. EVERY FUCKING TIME. They don't want us to be self-sufficient. They wish for us to be totally dependent upon them for everything (that's what government means...control). I say fuck 'em all, and let 'em eat each other.
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They do this shit every time they want to pass legislation which removes our liberties. EVERY FUCKING TIME. They don't want us to be self-sufficient. They wish for us to be totally dependent upon them for everything (that's what government means...control). I say fuck 'em all, and let 'em eat each other.
Because, as the great Breitbart said, "they are a bunch of totalitarian freaks".
And it's scary you are starting to make sense somewhat. Maybe the Myans are right.
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They do this shoot every time they want to pass legislation which removes our liberties. EVERY fudgeING TIME. They don't want us to be self-sufficient. They wish for us to be totally dependent upon them for everything (that's what government means...control). I say fudge 'em all, and let 'em eat each other.
The gun control advocates jumped on the incident in order to promote their agenda, yes. The gov't orhestrated the killing of these innocent kids or are only pretending that it happened? Come on man.
I haven't seen it with my own eyes but I'm pretty sure there are dead babies up there. I don't want to see it. I wouldn't call this man's reaction unusual for someone who lost a 6 yr. old. I don't want to think about it.
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The gun control advocates jumped on the incident in order to promote their agenda, yes. The gov't orhestrated the killing of these innocent kids or are only pretending that it happened? Come on man.
I haven't seen it with my own eyes but I'm pretty sure there are dead babies up there. I don't want to see it. I wouldn't call this man's reaction unusual for someone who lost a 6 yr. old. I don't want to think about it.
I think he may mean more something along the lines of Rahm Emmanuels famous line: dont let a good tragedy or disaster go to waste. To be fair, Bush did the same shit with 9-11 in re patriot act and homeland security.
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If the Mayans are right, we're all fucked.
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The gun control advocates jumped on the incident in order to promote their agenda, yes. The gov't orhestrated the killing of these innocent kids or are only pretending that it happened? Come on man.
I haven't seen it with my own eyes but I'm pretty sure their are dead babies up there. I don't want to see it. I wouldn't call this man's reaction unusual for someone who lost a 6 yr. old. I don't want to think about it.
I agree with all of this, except, I do think that behavior is unusual for a man who just lost a 6 year old. I guess it's entirely possible that he was discussing fond memories of her with his family, and then the gravity of the situation hit him as he approached the podium to speak. Much more plausible than some grand conspiracy that the government staged the entire thing, by a country mile.
Just saying, I actually do agree with him that something very strange with the video. I can't imagine grinning and chuckling at all within 24 hours of this happening to my daughter. But I guess people grieve differently. As he approaches the camera chuckling something inaudibly (trying to figure out the first thing he says) and then "So, just read the card?" , to which someone off camera says "Yeah, read the card", and them him grinning and saying "K", as his face drops, he inhales deeply like an actor preparing for a scene and transforms completely into what you would expect someone who just lost a child to a horrific violent act would look like. That's definitely out of the ordinary.
Now I feel bottomfeeder-level crazy for analyzing it as much as I already have.
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The gun control advocates jumped on the incident in order to promote their agenda, yes. The gov't orhestrated the killing of these innocent kids or are only pretending that it happened? Come on man.
I haven't seen it with my own eyes but I'm pretty sure there are dead babies up there. I don't want to see it. I wouldn't call this man's reaction unusual for someone who lost a 6 yr. old. I don't want to think about it.
Exactly.
All y'all who are even slightly considering anything that idiot bottomfeeder said are idiots yourselves. The stages of grief include denial - and people grieve in very different ways. I have no problem with imagining that man smiling as he spoke of his beloved daughter - I smile all the time thinking about my kids and silly things they have done. He has still not wrapped his mind around the fact that his daughter is GONE FOREVER - and even when he reaches that realization, it does not mean that he cannot smile at some happy memory or some funny story. It's called smiling through your tears, and for you assholes or anyone else to insinuate that there is something off about this man's reaction is ludicrous.
Not only that? He probably realized as he approached the mike that he'd better stop smiling, regardless of the reason WHY he was smiling, or assholes like bottomfeeder would read more into it than he intended.
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Exactly.
All y'all who are even slightly considering anything that idiot bottomfeeder said are idiots yourselves. The stages of grief include denial - and people grieve in very different ways. I have no problem with imagining that man smiling as he spoke of his beloved daughter - I smile all the time thinking about my kids and silly things they have done. He has still not wrapped his mind around the fact that his daughter is GONE FOREVER - and even when he reaches that realization, it does not mean that he cannot smile at some happy memory or some funny story. It's called smiling through your tears, and for you assholes or anyone else to insinuate that there is something off about this man's reaction is ludicrous.
Not only that? He probably realized as he approached the mike that he'd better stop smiling, regardless of the reason WHY he was smiling, or assholes like bottomfeeder would read more into it than he intended.
I was only referring to his comment in regards to the govt using every incident to enact knee jerk legislation that does more harm than good.
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Who are the Mayans?
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Exactly.
All y'all who are even slightly considering anything that idiot bottomfeeder said are idiots yourselves. The stages of grief include denial - and people grieve in very different ways. I have no problem with imagining that man smiling as he spoke of his beloved daughter - I smile all the time thinking about my kids and silly things they have done. He has still not wrapped his mind around the fact that his daughter is GONE FOREVER - and even when he reaches that realization, it does not mean that he cannot smile at some happy memory or some funny story. It's called smiling through your tears, and for you assholes or anyone else to insinuate that there is something off about this man's reaction is ludicrous.
Not only that? He probably realized as he approached the mike that he'd better stop smiling, regardless of the reason WHY he was smiling, or assholes like bottomfeeder would read more into it than he intended.
I think I made it pretty clear that a widespread conspiracy theory claiming the whole thing is false, and virtually everything that bottomfeeder has said regarding this (and pretty much anything else) is batshit insane.
I'm just saying, I was fully prepared to lash out at him, then watched the video and was like, "Well, I'll be damned...that is really strange." I guess more from a sociological standpoint. I can't imagine painting a smile and chuckling right after my daughter was gunned down, but maybe that's just me. Then the quickchange was offputting as well. Does that mean that the Sandy Hook incident is entirely fictional? That is beyond insane.
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I think I made it pretty clear that a widespread conspiracy theory claiming the whole thing is false, and virtually everything that bottomfeeder has said regarding this (and pretty much anything else) is batshoot insane.
I'm just saying, I was fully prepared to lash out at him, then watched the video and was like, "Well, I'll be damned...that is really strange." I guess more from a sociological standpoint. I can't imagine painting a smile and chuckling right after my daughter was gunned down, but maybe that's just me. Then the quickchange was offputting as well. Does that mean that the Sandy Hook incident is entirely fictional? That is beyond insane.
Too late. We can already tell that you spend your spare time looking for crop circles.
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I think I made it pretty clear that a widespread conspiracy theory claiming the whole thing is false, and virtually everything that bottomfeeder has said regarding this (and pretty much anything else) is batshit insane.
I'm just saying, I was fully prepared to lash out at him, then watched the video and was like, "Well, I'll be damned...that is really strange." I guess more from a sociological standpoint. I can't imagine painting a smile and chuckling right after my daughter was gunned down, but maybe that's just me. Then the quickchange was offputting as well. Does that mean that the Sandy Hook incident is entirely fictional? That is beyond insane.
He may have been a paid actor to fill in for the real family members who didn't wish to be interviewed.
Then we have this jagoff Rockefeller. Pfft.
http://www.wchstv.com/newsroom/eyewitness/121218_12578.shtml
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Exactly.
All y'all who are even slightly considering anything that idiot bottomfeeder said are idiots yourselves. The stages of grief include denial - and people grieve in very different ways. I have no problem with imagining that man smiling as he spoke of his beloved daughter - I smile all the time thinking about my kids and silly things they have done. He has still not wrapped his mind around the fact that his daughter is GONE FOREVER - and even when he reaches that realization, it does not mean that he cannot smile at some happy memory or some funny story. It's called smiling through your tears, and for you assholes or anyone else to insinuate that there is something off about this man's reaction is ludicrous.
Not only that? He probably realized as he approached the mike that he'd better stop smiling, regardless of the reason WHY he was smiling, or assholes like bottomfeeder would read more into it than he intended.
I'm so glad we have a mind-reader/psychoanalyst here. I was beginning to think I was crazy.
The seven emotional stages of grief are shock or disbelief, denial, bargaining, guilt, anger, depression, and acceptance/hope.
Soooo....where in here does it say that laughter/smiling is part of shock? Within 12 hours of the occurrence he should have still been in shock. IMO.
http://www.medicinenet.com/loss_grief_and_bereavement/article.htm
I'm sorry. I'm just not buying what you're selling, Tiger Wrench. (http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT83cnXwPAYQuNYCWJfSePjPgHGhwnZGZyGg7wXgwumqlDHcKfNbIdh8LY)
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/complicated-grief/DS01023/DSECTION=symptoms
http://www.webmd.com/balance/tc/grief-and-grieving-symptoms
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I'm not half as think as you crazy I am.
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Who are the Mayans?
Mayonaise industry PAC. Apparently, they promote the ending of the world so that people will stock up on mayo.
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Piers Morgan likes to use the example of how the UK fags enacted strict gun control after the 1996 Dublane massacre. What he fails to elaborate on is that in the five years after the homicide rate by guns went up 4 fold in the UK and at BEST we're at the levels they were at the year of the massacre. The laws didn't lower the gun fatality rates a bit in fact making them worse. To add more, there have been gun massacres since this happened. There have been more in the 15 yrs since then the 15 years before. Gun control laws do not work... Period.
I'm curious. Link?
I have seen that there hasn't been a school shooting since, and homicides involving firearms have dramatically decreased. I'm assuming non-gun-related homicides escalated even more dramatically?
You know where I stand on this issue, but I'm just curious where you got that information from.
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I'm curious. Link?
I have seen that there hasn't been a school shooting since, and homicides involving firearms have dramatically decreased. I'm assuming non-gun-related homicides escalated even more dramatically?
You know where I stand on this issue, but I'm just curious where you got that information from.
He made it up just now....as he sat there. It was a creative opportunity.
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Mayonaise industry PAC. Apparently, they promote the ending of the world so that people will stock up on mayo.
Not to be confused with Louise Gossett Jr or Richard Gere's characters in "An officer and a Gentleman"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuuTS_WNw5w
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Hmmm, interesting.
http://www.secretsofthefed.com/footage-of-police-arresting-second-man-in-woods-right-after-the-sandy-hook-shooting/
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Hmmm, interesting.
http://www.secretsofthefed.com/footage-of-police-arresting-second-man-in-woods-right-after-the-sandy-hook-shooting/
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/la-na-nn-sandy-hook-connecticut-school-shooting-20121214,0,1650719.story?page=2
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http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/la-na-nn-sandy-hook-connecticut-school-shooting-20121214,0,1650719.story?page=2
This? On Friday morning, her husband, Chris, went to help make gingerbread houses in the first-grade class of the couple’s daughter. As he approached the school, he heard popping sounds, then smelled sulfur.
He attempted to reach his daughter by going around the side of the school. Police had arrived by then, stopped him and briefly handcuffed him.
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This?
Thats who other people on the web tend to think it was.
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I'm curious. Link?
I have seen that there hasn't been a school shooting since, and homicides involving firearms have dramatically decreased. I'm assuming non-gun-related homicides escalated even more dramatically?
You know where I stand on this issue, but I'm just curious where you got that information from.
From a second amendment foundation study that included cites:
By year six since the 1997 handgun ban, crimes with the very weapons banned more than doubled, and firearm crime increased markedly.iii In 2002, for the fourth consecutive year, gun crime in England and Wales rose—by 35 percent for all firearms, and by a whopping 46 percent for the banned handguns. Nearly 10,000 firearms offences were committed.iv
The main mass shooting that comes to mind in the UK since Dunblane is the Cumbria incident. Basically the point is, gun control didn't stop it. Banning all guns didn't stop it. It happens with or without gun control because a deranged loon is going to find a way to accomplish their goal, gun control or not.
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Well, according to CNN the shooter had an assault weapon that never left the backseat his car. He used handguns to do the deed.
A CNN reporter said police recovered three weapons at the scene: a Glock and a Sig-Sauer, which are handguns, as well as a .223 Bushmaster rifle. The rifle was in the back seat of the car the gunman drove to the school, the handguns were inside the school. The car belonged to Nancy Lanza.
http://www.fox5vegas.com/story/20346133/reports-of-multiple-dead-including-1-child-from-ct-elementary-school-shooting
The discrepancy is obvious. Either the news reports are incorrect, the medical examiner is wrong, or someone other than Adam Lanza shot the children.
http://lewrockwell.com/roberts/roberts382.html
Other reports have him shooting out a window to gain access into the school. I didn't bother to research that because how he gained access is of little consequence, now. What I do know is Gulf Shores is proactive in protecting their kids with $50,000 approved yesterday for security and bullet-proof glass in the plans for the near future. Obviously the sales of bullet-proof glass will skyrocket along with the price. Assault weapon sales have skyrocketed in anticipation of a ban. The market economy is being manipulated by this event, and can be quite profitable if you know how to play it. Sadly, it won't bring back those babies which is the part that hurts me the most. I cannot heal the pain with money and I'll not play the market to profit on such a tragedy, however, there are those who will. The cold-hearted fucks.
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Thats who other people on the web tend to think it was.
I tend to this so too. Adam was nothing more that a patsy who looked guilty before he even was considered a suspect (dead men don't testify). He too is a victim of the government run system.
"So another mass-murder conducted by a product of government schools, in a government school, under the government-recommended/mandated care of a government-employed/licensed shrink, on government-approved and government-promoted mind-altering drugs, in a government-mandated weapon-free zone, protected by a government agency the government claims 'serves and protects' (though it is incapable of doing so). Clearly the problem is guns." (Thanks to Sam)
https://www.facebook.com/LewRockwell
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I tend to this so too. Adam was nothing more that a patsy who looked guilty before he even was considered a suspect (dead men don't testify). He too is a victim of the government run system.
That's an almost perfect quote.
I would change it to this:
"So another mass-murder conducted by a product of government schools, in a government school, under the government-recommended/mandated care of a government-employed/licensed shrink, on government-approved and government-promoted mind-altering drugs, in a government-mandated weapon-free zone, protected by a government agency the government claims 'serves and protects' (though it is incapable of doing so). Then, the perpetrator is one of many that are known by the government to being enabled by their parents. Clearly the solution relies with the government."
It's not so much identifying the problem. We know what the problem is. The issue here is figuring out where the solution comes from. So many are flocking to the government, which is going to be ineffective.
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That's an almost perfect quote.
I would change it to this:
"So another mass-murder conducted by a product of government schools, in a government school, under the government-recommended/mandated care of a government-employed/licensed shrink, on government-approved and government-promoted mind-altering drugs, in a government-mandated weapon-free zone, protected by a government agency the government claims 'serves and protects' (though it is incapable of doing so). Then, the perpetrator is one of many that are known by the government to being enabled by their parents. Clearly the solution relies with the government."
It's not so much identifying the problem. We know what the problem is. The issue here is figuring out where the solution comes from. So many are flocking to the government, which is going to be ineffective.
I'll accept that.
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1196941/The-violent-country-Europe-Britain-worse-South-Africa-U-S.html
The most violent country in Europe: Britain is also worse than South Africa and U.S.
By James Slack
UPDATED: 18:14 EST, 2 July 2009
Britain's violent crime record is worse than any other country in the European union, it has been revealed.
Official crime figures show the UK also has a worse rate for all types of violence than the U.S. and even South Africa - widely considered one of the world's most dangerous countries.
The figures comes on the day new Home Secretary Alan Johnson makes his first major speech on crime, promising to be tough on loutish behaviour.
Britain even has a worse violence rate than South Africa
Britain has an even worse violence rate than South Africa (file picture)
The Tories said Labour had presided over a decade of spiralling violence.
In the decade following the party's election in 1997, the number of recorded violent attacks soared by 77 per cent to 1.158million - or more than two every minute.
The figures, compiled from reports released by the European Commission and United Nations, also show:
The UK has the second highest overall crime rate in the EU.
It has a higher homicide rate than most of our western European neighbours, including France, Germany, Italy and Spain.
The UK has the fifth highest robbery rate in the EU.
It has the fourth highest burglary rate and the highest absolute number of burglaries in the EU, with double the number of offences than recorded in Germany and France.
But it is the naming of Britain as the most violent country in the EU that is most shocking. The analysis is based on the number of crimes per 100,000 residents.
In the UK, there are 2,034 offences per 100,000 people, way ahead of second-placed Austria with a rate of 1,677.
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/07/02/article-1196941-05900DF7000005DC-677_468x636.jpg)
The U.S. has a violence rate of 466 crimes per 100,000 residents, Canada 935, Australia 92 and South Africa 1,609.
Shadow Home Secretary Chris Grayling said: 'This is a damning indictment of this government's comprehensive failure over more than a decade to tackle the deep rooted social problems in our society, and the knock on effect on crime and anti-social behaviour.
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Shadow Home Secretary Chris Grayling said: 'This is a damning indictment of this government's comprehensive failure over more than a decade to tackle the deep rooted social problems in our society, and the knock on effect on crime and anti-social behaviour.
Exactly. The government is NOT and NEVER is the solution.
You cannot control morality and personal choices. Until Minority Report becomes a reality, you will not stop crimes from happening, and pressing your judicial finger on the non-actions of law-abiding citizens only leads to a worse quality of life which breeds criminal activity.
But the "progressive lefts" that are arguing for ludicrously strict and/or total banishment of gun rights probably look at those statistics and say, "Well, if you are robbed, at least you weren't murdered." Or "rape is a horrible crime that our academic psychologists are trying to cure, but at least 20 school children weren't massacred once every 100 years."
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Exactly. The government is NOT and NEVER is the solution.
You cannot control morality and personal choices. Until Minority Report becomes a reality, you will not stop crimes from happening, and pressing your judicial finger on the non-actions of law-abiding citizens only leads to a worse quality of life which breeds criminal activity.
But the "progressive lefts" that are arguing for ludicrously strict and/or total banishment of gun rights probably look at those statistics and say, "Well, if you are robbed, at least you weren't murdered." Or "rape is a horrible crime that our academic psychologists are trying to cure, but at least 20 school children weren't massacred once every 100 years."
Your thinking that gov't isn't the answer to all of society's ills makes you abby normal. What is wrong with you?