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Pat Dye Field => War Damn Eagle => Topic started by: War Eagle!!! on September 23, 2012, 10:06:38 AM
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I was wrong about this game. Completely wrong. There are still some glaring weaknesses, but the guys showed heart. They played hard and didn't let LSU come in and intimidate them. They played how I expect an Auburn team to play. I honestly thought LSU would score 40 on us. Offensively we are bad, but I really think that is because Keihl sucks. The o-line played pretty well and gave Keihl some time...he just can't pull the trigger. All we would have had to have is one nice completion at the end for a chance. Or a clean catch from Quan and defense maybe holds LSU to 9.
I can live with that though. We ARE still young and we DO have a new QB and we DO have 2 new coordinators. There are going to be mistakes. I just expect Auburn to come out, play hard and have a chance....and that is what happened last night.
If we play like this, we will have a shot at a big upset this year and that excites me.
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I was wrong about this game. Completely wrong. There are still some glaring weaknesses, but the guys showed heart. They played hard and didn't let LSU come in and intimidate them. They played how I expect an Auburn team to play. I honestly thought LSU would score 40 on us. Offensively we are bad, but I really think that is because Keihl sucks. The o-line played pretty well and gave Keihl some time...he just can't pull the trigger. All we would have had to have is one nice completion at the end for a chance. Or a clean catch from Quan and defense maybe holds LSU to 9.
I can live with that though. We ARE still young and we DO have a new QB and we DO have 2 new coordinators. There are going to be mistakes. I just expect Auburn to come out, play hard and have a chance....and that is what happened last night.
If we play like this, we will have a shot at a big upset this year and that excites me.
The killing mistakes:
1) Dance around too long, get a safety. That close to to the goal, you should just dive forward.
2) Drop a nicely thrown ball on the opening play.
3) Penalties. Extended LSU drives, killed our own.
4) First down plays. Offense is going to suck when you lose three to five yards on first down -- which happened a lot.
5) Fucking up the punt. Get the ball there and LSU never comes close to scoring.
6) Blowing the fucking wheel route (my favorite of all time when it went to Ronnie Brown). Had time, had the guy open by ten yards and you throw the fucking ball eight yards into the sidelines and ten yards over his head? That's not a quarterback not suited to the Pro-Style offense, that's a SHITTY quarterback. Moseley, as shitty as he is, would have made that throw.
7) Whiffing the third down tackle on LSU's last drive.
8) Punting with less than five minutes remaining in the game. Boo.
9) The fairy floater pass that Frazier threw, after which he went full tard and could not pull the trigger. Again, not the product of a pro-style offense, the product of SHITTY quarterbacking skills.
10) The timeout after the injury timeout that fucked more than two minutes of clock away.
And did I hear the announcers say that LSU's defense had seven freshmen/redshirt freshmen on the field in the fourth quarter?
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While mistakes were made that could have changed the outcome I also think Chizik made some.
Defense played extremely well, Chizik plays field position, that's fine but when you realize the offense is worse than stagnant, you have to try to block some punts. Also I think he should have went for it on 4th down on our last two offensive series.(not counting the series that ended the game)
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And did I hear the announcers say that LSU's defense had seven freshmen/redshirt freshmen on the field in the fourth quarter?
Yes.
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Yall thought I was crazy with my purrdiction...but it was damn close.
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Yes.
Well that must be it then. They're young. It will be three to five years before LSU is any good.
Wait... huh?
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Here's the thing for me. If the team that showed up last night had been present in the first three games, I might be more accepting. Play hard, learn from your mistakes, and do better next time. Give us a reason to think "Yep, growin' pains/new coordinators , etc., but we'll get better." But we didn't see any of that, and had no reason to believe. Nothing to hang our hat on, much less cattle to herd. It was the glaring lack of heart and effort that did me in and made me upset.
You can coach technique, you can coach scheme, and if you have talent, it will all fall into place eventually. But you can't coach leadership and you can't coach heart, and if you don't have that, you are DONE.
We'll see in two weeks if the lessons from the LSU game stuck or not. Kind of wishing we didn't have the off week right now.
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The killing mistakes:
1) Dance around too long, get a safety. That close to to the goal, you should just dive forward.
2) Drop a nicely thrown ball on the opening play.
3) Penalties. Extended LSU drives, killed our own.
4) First down plays. Offense is going to suck when you lose three to five yards on first down -- which happened a lot.
5) Fucking up the punt. Get the ball there and LSU never comes close to scoring.
6) Blowing the fucking wheel route (my favorite of all time when it went to Ronnie Brown). Had time, had the guy open by ten yards and you throw the fucking ball eight yards into the sidelines and ten yards over his head? That's not a quarterback not suited to the Pro-Style offense, that's a SHITTY quarterback. Moseley, as shitty as he is, would have made that throw.
7) Whiffing the third down tackle on LSU's last drive.
8) Punting with less than five minutes remaining in the game. Boo.
9) The fairy floater pass that Frazier threw, after which he went full tard and could not pull the trigger. Again, not the product of a pro-style offense, the product of SHITTY quarterbacking skills.
10) The timeout after the injury timeout that fucked more than two minutes of clock away.
And did I hear the announcers say that LSU's defense had seven freshmen/redshirt freshmen on the field in the fourth quarter?
#1 there wasn't any dancing around in the endzone, Prosch got knocked down into Mason, then Mason tried to dive out of the endzone but fell short.
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Moseley, as shitty as he is, would have made that throw.
Well sure cause that would be a bomb to him.
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I fully and completely expected a 52-0 type of blowout.
Had awesome seats, but thought it would be like having great seats to your grandmother's rape.
Turned out to be electric in Jordan-Hare. Was having flashbacks to the 2001 Florida game.
We led at the half, and held LS-fuckin-U to only a field goal for the following half.
Woulda, coulda, shoulda, but we had so many opportunities that could have won that game for us.
I fully expected to come into the office full of corndogs today wrought with utter shame. Not the case. I can look people in the eye and say, "Yeah, it was a great game. If only we had capitalized on an opportunity here or there, we should have beaten you guys." Unfathomable before kickoff Saturday.
That's all I could reasonably expect, and then some. My pitchfork is down, for now. It's not stored away where I can't get to it, but I'm not grasping it tightly today.
The Mississippi State game was abysmal and inexcusable. Fortunately, we have shown progress from that rock-bottom performance since. And if this is where we're at? I can live with it.
The youth excuse, for the most part, is garbage. Teams can and do often easily overcome that. However, it can also be a factor, and it certainly appears to be with our team. They're maturing. The defense certainly flipped a switch this weekend. That's encouraging. Can the offense do the same at some point this year? The first drive, despite going 3-and-out, consisted of 3 good passes from Frazier. The one to Lutz, was a bit behind him, but certainly catchable, especially by Lutz in the past. The other two were automatic first downs, including a 70ish yard bomb, both between the numbers. Can't ask for more than that. Coming up short on plays like that doesn't wear well on the confidence of a young QB having obvious problems as it is.
All I'm saying, is, while I'm not quite in Prowler's camp (but, honestly, what sane person is?), you're not going to hear me bitching about how the program is in complete disarray, demanding for heads to roll. Not after that game. If another MSU game happens, then we can revisit.
Assuming we don't regress again, I see definitely five, and probably six more wins. If the defense keeps doing what it's doing, then possibly even a shocking upset against the dawgs, or if the stars align just right, and karma pays me back for rescuing a baby from its death or something, we could have Bama on the ropes in the same way we just had LSU.
It's been said before that this team is very reminiscent of the 2003 team. The talent is there, they're just still too green and haven't gelled yet, for whatever reason. The USC game is our Clemson, except we didn't get blown out 0–23. The Mississippi State game is our Georgia Tech of that year.
If we go on to six more wins, as I've stated I'm expecting, and we win our bowl game, we'll be pretty much exactly where we were last year. So far, at least, the losses to our rival(s) have not been complete anal rapings.
I had hoped to build more from last year, but realistically, I can accept a 7-8 win season. It still would be Chizik outperforming the expert predictions, for the fourth year in a row.
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I fully expected to come into the office full of corndogs today wrought with utter shame. Not the case. I can look people in the eye and say, "Yeah, it was a great game. If only we had capitalized on an opportunity here or there, we should have beaten you guys." Unfathomable before kickoff Saturday.
The line I got from people was "wow, I'm going to be up late wondering how far LSU will drop."
To which I replied, "You sure it's not the realization that ULM has a better offense than you guys that's keeping you up at night?"
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I fully and completely expected a 52-0 type of blowout.
Had awesome seats, but thought it would be like having great seats to your grandmother's rape.
Turned out to be electric in Jordan-Hare. Was having flashbacks to the 2001 Florida game.
We led at the half, and held LS-fuckin-U to only a field goal for the following half.
Woulda, coulda, shoulda, but we had so many opportunities that could have won that game for us.
I fully expected to come into the office full of corndogs today wrought with utter shame. Not the case. I can look people in the eye and say, "Yeah, it was a great game. If only we had capitalized on an opportunity here or there, we should have beaten you guys." Unfathomable before kickoff Saturday.
That's all I could reasonably expect, and then some. My pitchfork is down, for now. It's not stored away where I can't get to it, but I'm not grasping it tightly today.
The Mississippi State game was abysmal and inexcusable. Fortunately, we have shown progress from that rock-bottom performance since. And if this is where we're at? I can live with it.
The youth excuse, for the most part, is garbage. Teams can and do often easily overcome that. However, it can also be a factor, and it certainly appears to be with our team. They're maturing. The defense certainly flipped a switch this weekend. That's encouraging. Can the offense do the same at some point this year? The first drive, despite going 3-and-out, consisted of 3 good passes from Frazier. The one to Lutz, was a bit behind him, but certainly catchable, especially by Lutz in the past. The other two were automatic first downs, including a 70ish yard bomb, both between the numbers. Can't ask for more than that. Coming up short on plays like that doesn't wear well on the confidence of a young QB having obvious problems as it is.
All I'm saying, is, while I'm not quite in Prowler's camp (but, honestly, what sane person is?), you're not going to hear me bitching about how the program is in complete disarray, demanding for heads to roll. Not after that game. If another MSU game happens, then we can revisit.
Assuming we don't regress again, I see definitely five, and probably six more wins. If the defense keeps doing what it's doing, then possibly even a shocking upset against the dawgs, or if the stars align just right, and karma pays me back for rescuing a baby from its death or something, we could have Bama on the ropes in the same way we just had LSU.
It's been said before that this team is very reminiscent of the 2003 team. The talent is there, they're just still too green and haven't gelled yet, for whatever reason. The USC game is our Clemson, except we didn't get blown out 0–23. The Mississippi State game is our Georgia Tech of that year.
If we go on to six more wins, as I've stated I'm expecting, and we win our bowl game, we'll be pretty much exactly where we were last year. So far, at least, the losses to our rival(s) have not been complete anal rapings.
I had hoped to build more from last year, but realistically, I can accept a 7-8 win season. It still would be Chizik outperforming the expert predictions, for the fourth year in a row.
Spot on.
I do think that the "light came on" for the defense. We still got gashed up the middle (hey, Jake!), but we attacked and disrupted...and...gasp...TACKLED.
Frazier looked better. His first half line was pretty impressive when you consider the opposition.
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If we go on to six more wins, as I've stated I'm expecting, and we win our bowl game, we'll be pretty much exactly where we were last year. So far, at least, the losses to our rival(s) have not been complete anal rapings.
Yea us, year 5 of rebuilding next year.
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If we go on to six more wins, as I've stated I'm expecting, and we win our bowl game, we'll be pretty much exactly where we were last year. So far, at least, the losses to our rival(s) have not been complete anal rapings.
You're right. That's exactly what I was expecting before this season as well. 8-5, about the same as last year, and competitive with our rivals.
But. We lost to Miss State. We struggled and nearly lost to LA Monroe. We are no lock to beat any team on the rest of our schedule except for New Mexico State Tech A&M Institute and Alabama Black College. The defense could be lights out differen the rest of the year, and we could still miss a bowl game.
Soooo...yeah. Hand is still gripped on the pitchfork. However, I will ease up on the torch just a bit.
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You're right. That's exactly what I was expecting before this season as well. 8-5, about the same as last year, and competitive with our rivals.
But. We lost to Miss State. We struggled and nearly lost to LA Monroe. We are no lock to beat any team on the rest of our schedule except for New Mexico State Tech A&M Institute and Alabama Black College. The defense could be lights out differen the rest of the year, and we could still miss a bowl game.
Soooo...yeah. Hand is still gripped on the pitchfork. However, I will ease up on the torch just a bit.
Eh.
I'll have to consult with Prowler to determine the exact degree of good that ULM is, but I want to say they are at about a "Pretty good". Certainly above "Kinda-sorta good."
They should have beaten Baylor this weekend. Not that they are a powerhouse themselves, but it would have been impressive, and they were pwning them for the majority of the game. And they beat Arkansas. And that's all we have to measure them by. I can live with the idea that we may have been looking past them on to LSU, so long as we didn't come out with the L, which we didn't.
Really, it's that MSU game I can't get past or get my head around, but the larger the sample size becomes, the more it becomes apparent that that game was more of an anomaly than this LSU game was, IMO.
That being said, I do not think LSU is the 2nd, or even 3rd best team in the nation, I do think that Bama will beat the brakes off them. But they are solidly in the "Pretty damn good" category, for sure.
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Eh.
I'll have to consult with Prowler to determine the exact degree of good that ULM is, but I want to say they are at about a "Pretty good". Certainly above "Kinda-sorta good."
They should have beaten Baylor this weekend. Not that they are a powerhouse themselves, but it would have been impressive, and they were pwning them for the majority of the game. And they beat Arkansas. And that's all we have to measure them by. I can live with the idea that we may have been looking past them on to LSU, so long as we didn't come out with the L, which we didn't.
Really, it's that MSU game I can't get past or get my head around, but the larger the sample size becomes, the more it becomes apparent that that game was more of an anomaly than this LSU game was, IMO.
That being said, I do not think LSU is the 2nd, or even 3rd best team in the nation, I do think that Bama will beat the brakes off them. But they are solidly in the "Pretty damn good" category, for sure.
And MSU might not be as bad as usual this year is another possibility. They might finish 3rd in the West (depending on their game against A&M), they could probably finish 3rd in the East. They haven't played anybody yet (including us) and won't until they play UT in 2 weeks. But still, they lead the nation in turnovers and turnover margin (with a big assist from us), top 20 in pass efficiency D, and top 20 in scoring D. It was an ugly loss, but I don't think we should keep pointing at it as the downfall of western civilization. It's just a young team looking ahead to the big matchup with ULM. Could happen to anybody.
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We need a quarterback
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Really, it's that MSU game I can't get past or get my head around, but the larger the sample size becomes, the more it becomes apparent that that game was more of an anomaly than this LSU game was, IMO.
Seriously?
Three years and four games in and the result against LSU was without question the anomaly.
AU gives up 26 ppg. In four years not counting cupcakes we've had three games and one half of successful defensive effort. And that's the recurring trend?
I'm all for sunshine and rainbows too, but I for damn sure don't see any developing trend at this point.
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We need a quarterback
hey hey, ho ho, say say, no no
tackle tackle tackle tackle tack tack tack
show those other boys what they lack lack lack
if i gave you a dollar, you could keep most of the change
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Eh.
I'll have to consult with Prowler to determine the exact degree of good that ULM is, but I want to say they are at about a "Pretty good". Certainly above "Kinda-sorta good."
They should have beaten Baylor this weekend. Not that they are a powerhouse themselves, but it would have been impressive, and they were pwning them for the majority of the game. And they beat Arkansas. And that's all we have to measure them by. I can live with the idea that we may have been looking past them on to LSU, so long as we didn't come out with the L, which we didn't.
Really, it's that MSU game I can't get past or get my head around, but the larger the sample size becomes, the more it becomes apparent that that game was more of an anomaly than this LSU game was, IMO.
That being said, I do not think LSU is the 2nd, or even 3rd best team in the nation, I do think that Bama will beat the brakes off them. But they are solidly in the "Pretty damn good" category, for sure.
I've been catching up on The Walking Dead this week, and I think you've been bitten by a Prowler.
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I've been catching up on The Walking Dead this week, and I think you've been bitten by a Prowler.
Great now we have to kill Chizad.
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Great now we have to kill Chizad.
but we still have to listen to AWK and VV bitch.
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but we still have to listen to AWK and VV bitch.
We are 1 - 3.
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We are 1 - 3.
I thought that was to be expected from what I've been hearing and reading from the :wartim: crew. Is it not so?
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Patience is a virtue.
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Patience is a virtue.
As is prudence, which is actually one of the four cardinal virtues (of which patience is not) - and is often considered the auriga virtutum of all virtues. (yeah, I knows me some fancy words).
You can keep your patience. I prefer to use reason (prudence), and reason tells me it is foolish to make a rash change of opinion based on one solitary event, when the other 16 outcomes in the sample lot have been nothing short of dismal.
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As is prudence, which is actually one of the four cardinal virtues (of which patience is not) - and is often considered the auriga virtutum of all virtues. (yeah, I knows me some fancy words).
You can keep your patience. I prefer to use reason (prudence), and reason tells me it is foolish to make a rash change of opinion based on one solitary event, when the other 16 outcomes in the sample lot have been nothing short of dismal.
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As is prudence, which is actually one of the four cardinal virtues (of which patience is not) - and is often considered the auriga virtutum of all virtues. (yeah, I knows me some fancy words).
You can keep your patience. I prefer to use reason (prudence), and reason tells me it is foolish to make a rash change of opinion based on one solitary event, when the other 16 outcomes in the sample lot have been nothing short of dismal.
This guy gets it.
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I thought that was to be expected from what I've been hearing and reading from the :wartim: crew. Is it not so?
.250 winning percentage is unacceptable.
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.250 winning percentage is unacceptable.
It's not even that great of a batting average. Also why do you hate Chizad?
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IMO, it's really the MSU game that leaves most of y'all either wanting or wondering if a HC change is needed...might want to take a step back off that ledge. I'll refresh your memory, it was one of, if not, the worst performance by an Auburn QB in it's 120 years (off the top of my head).
Horrendous QB play hinders EVERYTHING (take time to think about that). Did Frazier look like that against a really good defense of LSU, a good defense of Clemson or even a decent ULM defense? No.
So, what's the word again...oh yeah, anomaly.
The changes that needed to be made, regarding the coaching staff, were made and the changes on both sides of the ball were drastic, but needed changes.
Those changes need time to take hold (you can bring up the past three seasons all you want, but each time you do, you make it known that the change was needed and that's exactly what Coach Chizik did). So, I say again, have some Mutha Fuckin Patience.
I still don't understand why the fuck I'm the only one that is levelheaded about this, maybe it's because I don't listen to the â€talking headsâ€, or Finebaum or any other bammer media personnel, or bama co-workers, I don't know. But for people here to post shit about me like I'm some lunatic fringe fan, should really take a second look to realize who in fact is the lunatic fringe fan here and in doing so, look at everything I've posted. Notice the theme of nearly every single post, not only are they all true (call it excuses all you fuckin want to, but it's the truth) but it states to have some patience in the new coaching on both sides of the ball.
I'll admit, I felt Frazier would be further along than he is as well as Defense, but he and they aren't...yet. That's when I step back to consider why. While I'm doing this, I'm looking up Frazier's background as well as the new coaches. I then realize that Frazier has been in the Spread-Option since his Freshman year in HS (think about that for a little while and know that he's now being asked to do something completely different in his first year as a starter), it's easy to see the open receivers from your stadium seat or from the TV, but for a first year starter I'm sure he can't see everything because it's moving at and around him quicker than he's able to make the decision (that takes time and experience for everything to slow down)...least we not forget â€the booing of Jason Campbellâ€, that turned out just fine with him gaining that experience and that trust with the OL and not to mention the All-American backfield. I'm rambling now, but I know and everyone here should know that it takes time to develop a QB. (better QB play and we're sitting at 4-0 right now, everyone here knows that to be true and I'm not talking about Cam Newton type QB play either, more like Chris Todd).
As for the defense, CBVG brought in his NFL type 4-3 and he's molding the players to fit his defense (that's the way he did it at UGA back in '01 and it began to pay off towards the end of that season onto the rest of his coaching career there, winning the Broyles Award in '03). So, it takes time...time that Coach Chizik has earned.
If changes hadn't been made and we still look like we do, then I too would be looking for a soft spot to land when I jump off the wagon.
All, I'm saying is have some patience, not only in the players, but also the Coordinators (Coach Loeffler is still learning what Frazier can and can't do, IMO).
I'm sure the â€Lynch Mob†(who thinks of themselves as the rational ones, LMAO) will have something to say....probably along the lines of tl;dr or whatever, but hey what do I know, I'm just the irrational one telling everyone to have a little patience and that I've seen improvement.
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IMO, it's really the MSU game that leaves most of y'all either wanting or wondering if a HC change is needed...might want to take a step back off that ledge. I'll refresh your memory, it was one of, if not, the worst performance by an Auburn QB in it's 120 years (off the top of my head).
Horrendous QB play hinders EVERYTHING (take time to think about that). Did Frazier look like that against a really good defense of LSU, a good defense of Clemson or even a decent ULM defense? No.
No? NO? Are you fucking kidding me? He looked like lukewarm baby shit in ALL those games. Haven't you been watching?
So, what's the word again...oh yeah, anomaly.
I'm really glad you learned a new word. Now learn to apply it properly. When something happens every single fucking time, that's not an anomaly.
The changes that needed to be made, regarding the coaching staff, were made and the changes on both sides of the ball were drastic, but needed changes.
Those changes need time to take hold (you can bring up the past three seasons all you want, but each time you do, you make it known that the change was needed and that's exactly what Coach Chizik did). So, I say again, have some Mutha Fuckin Patience.
Horseshit. 2004 Al Borges says you can go fuck yourself sideways.
I still don't understand why the fuck I'm the only one that is levelheaded about this, maybe it's because I don't listen to the â€talking headsâ€, or Finebaum or any other bammer media personnel, or bama co-workers, I don't know. But for people here to post shit about me like I'm some lunatic fringe fan, should really take a second look to realize who in fact is the lunatic fringe fan here and in doing so, look at everything I've posted. Notice the theme of nearly every single post, not only are they all true (call it excuses all you fuckin want to, but it's the truth) but it states to have some patience in the new coaching on both sides of the ball.
You done lost your damn mind. You want anomaly? The performance against LSU was the anomaly. It was such an anomaly most rational people think that LSU played poorly more so than AU played well. Since Chizik first put on the white pullover the AU defense has had two good games and one half of a good one -- excluding raping cupcakes. So excuse those who understand the meaning of the word anomaly and apply it to what happened Saturday. Because the trend is to give up 26 a game. The trend is to give up more yards and more points than any Auburn team in history. Ever. And that wouldn't be quite as alarming had Chizik's two seasons at ISU not produced two of the worst five defenses in the history of that craptastic program. Oh, that's right. They were young. And nobody can win there.
Nobody here is basing a damn thing they think on "talking heads" or "Bammers" or Finebaum. Our opinions are based on what we fucking see. Fact is nobody wants things to get better any more than we do. We don't enjoy the rapes that happened last year or the rape at MSU or the close calls against ULM and Utah State. We don't like having to make mental excuses or justifications for those things.
And we don't like when they happen over and over. When they're not... what's that word again... anomalies.
I'll admit, I felt Frazier would be further along than he is as well as Defense, but he and they aren't...yet. That's when I step back to consider why. While I'm doing this, I'm looking up Frazier's background as well as the new coaches. I then realize that Frazier has been in the Spread-Option since his Freshman year in HS (think about that for a little while and know that he's now being asked to do something completely different in his first year as a starter), it's easy to see the open receivers from your stadium seat or from the TV, but for a first year starter I'm sure he can't see everything because it's moving at and around him quicker than he's able to make the decision (that takes time and experience for everything to slow down)...least we not forget â€the booing of Jason Campbellâ€, that turned out just fine with him gaining that experience and that trust with the OL and not to mention the All-American backfield. I'm rambling now, but I know and everyone here should know that it takes time to develop a QB. (better QB play and we're sitting at 4-0 right now, everyone here knows that to be true and I'm not talking about Cam Newton type QB play either, more like Chris Todd).
Frazier sucks raw rancid ass. Jason Campbell on his worst day looked like a combination of Superman and Batman compared to Frazier's Care Bear.
The fact that everyone recognizes that this team could be 4-0 or 3-1 with the midget from Game of Thrones running the show belies your "have patience" bullshit. Frazier isn't doing the simplest of things. It has nothing to do with what system he was in. The system doesn't make him throw the ball straight to defenders, toss up fairy passes like he did against LSU, doesn't make him stand in the pocket failing to make any reads before dancing around and looking like the geico gecko before fucking the play up. Has zero to do with system, zero to do with experience. When he does make a decent throw or a good decision it's ...... what's that word again.... that's right and ANOMALY.
As for the defense, CBVG brought in his NFL type 4-3 and he's molding the players to fit his defense (that's the way he did it at UGA back in '01 and it began to pay off towards the end of that season onto the rest of his coaching career there, winning the Broyles Award in '03). So, it takes time...time that Coach Chizik has earned.
Blah blah fucking blah. Shit gets changed at other programs and they don't look like roosters fucking a picture frame for several years. Bowden won the motherfucking Coach of the Year award, too. Want that back?
If changes hadn't been made and we still look like we do, then I too would be looking for a soft spot to land when I jump off the wagon.
All, I'm saying is have some patience, not only in the players, but also the Coordinators (Coach Loeffler is still learning what Frazier can and can't do, IMO).
I'm sure the â€Lynch Mob†(who thinks of themselves as the rational ones, LMAO) will have something to say....probably along the lines of tl;dr or whatever, but hey what do I know, I'm just the irrational one telling everyone to have a little patience and that I've seen improvement.
The fact that changes were made and the things that looked fucked up STILL look fucked up except there are now other things that are just as fucked up or worse is what has people concerned.
There is no motherfucking lynch mob, dammit. But nobody wants to see the program flounder or get worse unless there's a clear and obvious path that says these things are necessary. There's not. There was in 1981. There was in 1982. And AU didn't have nearly the talent we supposedly have today. Based on rankings alone there is more talent on the field than at almost any time in the program's history. We're used to coaches doing more with less. Nobody likes the idea that we're doing less with more.
And no you're NOT the rational one. You're the... what's that word? ..... yep. Anomaly.
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What Kaos said.
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No? NO? Are you fucking kidding me? He looked like lukewarm baby shit in ALL those games. Haven't you been watching?
I'm really glad you learned a new word. Now learn to apply it properly. When something happens every single fucking time, that's not an anomaly.
Horseshit. 2004 Al Borges says you can go fuck yourself sideways.
You done lost your damn mind. You want anomaly? The performance against LSU was the anomaly. It was such an anomaly most rational people think that LSU played poorly more so than AU played well. Since Chizik first put on the white pullover the AU defense has had two good games and one half of a good one -- excluding raping cupcakes. So excuse those who understand the meaning of the word anomaly and apply it to what happened Saturday. Because the trend is to give up 26 a game. The trend is to give up more yards and more points than any Auburn team in history. Ever. And that wouldn't be quite as alarming had Chizik's two seasons at ISU not produced two of the worst five defenses in the history of that craptastic program. Oh, that's right. They were young. And nobody can win there.
Nobody here is basing a damn thing they think on "talking heads" or "Bammers" or Finebaum. Our opinions are based on what we fucking see. Fact is nobody wants things to get better any more than we do. We don't enjoy the rapes that happened last year or the rape at MSU or the close calls against ULM and Utah State. We don't like having to make mental excuses or justifications for those things.
And we don't like when they happen over and over. When they're not... what's that word again... anomalies.
Frazier sucks raw rancid ass. Jason Campbell on his worst day looked like a combination of Superman and Batman compared to Frazier's Care Bear.
The fact that everyone recognizes that this team could be 4-0 or 3-1 with the midget from Game of Thrones running the show belies your "have patience" bullshit. Frazier isn't doing the simplest of things. It has nothing to do with what system he was in. The system doesn't make him throw the ball straight to defenders, toss up fairy passes like he did against LSU, doesn't make him stand in the pocket failing to make any reads before dancing around and looking like the geico gecko before fucking the play up. Has zero to do with system, zero to do with experience. When he does make a decent throw or a good decision it's ...... what's that word again.... that's right and ANOMALY.
Blah blah fucking blah. Shit gets changed at other programs and they don't look like roosters fucking a picture frame for several years. Bowden won the motherfucking Coach of the Year award, too. Want that back?
The fact that changes were made and the things that looked fucked up STILL look fucked up except there are now other things that are just as fucked up or worse is what has people concerned.
There is no motherfucking lynch mob, dammit. But nobody wants to see the program flounder or get worse unless there's a clear and obvious path that says these things are necessary. There's not. There was in 1981. There was in 1982. And AU didn't have nearly the talent we supposedly have today. Based on rankings alone there is more talent on the field than at almost any time in the program's history. We're used to coaches doing more with less. Nobody likes the idea that we're doing less with more.
And no you're NOT the rational one. You're the... what's that word? ..... yep. Anomaly.
Every word of this ^^^
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You done lost your damn mind. You want anomaly? The performance against LSU was the anomaly. It was such an anomaly most rational people think that LSU played poorly more so than AU played well. Since Chizik first put on the white pullover the AU defense has had two good games and one half of a good one -- excluding raping cupcakes. So excuse those who understand the meaning of the word anomaly and apply it to what happened Saturday. Because the trend is to give up 26 a game. The trend is to give up more yards and more points than any Auburn team in history. Ever. And that wouldn't be quite as alarming had Chizik's two seasons at ISU not produced two of the worst five defenses in the history of that craptastic program. Oh, that's right. They were young. And nobody can win there.
Nobody here is basing a damn thing they think on "talking heads" or "Bammers" or Finebaum. Our opinions are based on what we fucking see. Fact is nobody wants things to get better any more than we do. We don't enjoy the rapes that happened last year or the rape at MSU or the close calls against ULM and Utah State. We don't like having to make mental excuses or justifications for those things.
And we don't like when they happen over and over. When they're not... what's that word again... anomalies.
Spot on.
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K, you definitely are skilled with words.
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K, you definitely are skilled with words.
He's an anomaly wrapped in an enigma.
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And that is pretty much that....
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Kaos-That shit was keen-dare I say 'Super keen"
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I can't get the image of a rooster fucking a picture frame out of my head.
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I can't get the image of a rooster fucking a picture frame out of my head.
I guess that's what you call getting wood.
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I guess I have been bit by the Prowler, but if the LSU game is such an anomaly, and the MSU game was business as usual, then where the fuck was all of this prior to the MSU game??
Were we not touting how Chizik has outperformed expectations every single year he's been at the helm?
Were we not thinking along these lines (http://www.nevertoyieldfoundation.com/2012/the-numbers-game/)?
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I can't get the image of a rooster fucking a picture frame out of my head.
we've got videos.
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I guess I have been bit by the Prowler, but if the LSU game is such an anomaly, and the MSU game was business as usual, then where the fuck was all of this prior to the MSU game??
Were we not touting how Chizik has outperformed expectations every single year he's been at the helm?
Were we not thinking along these lines (http://www.nevertoyieldfoundation.com/2012/the-numbers-game/)?
I'm not on or off the bandwagon yet. I said last week I wanted to see two things. First for this team and this staff to sack up and show some fight against LSU. I wanted to see the players show some fire and the coaches to show they were at least trying something to be competitive in that game. I honestly didn't believe the game would go the way it did and whether LSU had an "off night" or not, I was satisfied they accomplished #1.
Second, they need to beat Arkansas. No excuses. The Hawgs are reeling and we have two weeks to prepare for an SEC battle at JHS. Win and I'll believe we're really turning the corner. Lose to Arky and this staff needs to start sending out resumes and making plans for where they'll be in 2013.
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I'm not on or off the bandwagon yet. I said last week I wanted to see two things. First for this team and this staff to sack up and show some fight against LSU. I wanted to see the players show some fire and the coaches to show they were at least trying something to be competitive in that game. I honestly didn't believe the game would go the way it did and whether LSU had an "off night" or not, I was satisfied they accomplished #1.
Second, they need to beat Arkansas. No excuses. The Hawgs are reeling and we have two weeks to prepare for an SEC battle at JHS. Win and I'll believe we're really turning the corner. Lose to Arky and this staff needs to start sending out resumes and making plans for where they'll be in 2013.
Yeah we lose to Arkansas and I call shotgun.
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I'm not on or off the bandwagon yet. I said last week I wanted to see two things. First for this team and this staff to sack up and show some fight against LSU. I wanted to see the players show some fire and the coaches to show they were at least trying something to be competitive in that game. I honestly didn't believe the game would go the way it did and whether LSU had an "off night" or not, I was satisfied they accomplished #1.
Second, they need to beat Arkansas. No excuses. The Hawgs are reeling and we have two weeks to prepare for an SEC battle at JHS. Win and I'll believe we're really turning the corner. Lose to Arky and this staff needs to start sending out resumes and making plans for where they'll be in 2013.
No, we will just need to be patiencerrr.
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Yeah we lose to Arkansas and I call shotgun.
Speaking of Arkansas and their fine interim Corch John L..... I know it's probably been discussed on here but I just saw the comments he made to an Arky QB Club. Not only does his team belong to Alabama but he thinks Bobby Mutha Fuckin' Petrino will be at AU next year.
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Speaking of Arkansas and their fine interim Corch John L..... I know it's probably been discussed on here but I just saw the comments he made to an Arky QB Club. Not only does his team belong to Alabama but he thinks Bobby Mutha Fuckin' Petrino will be at AU next year.
did he happen to mention rick pitino too?
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I guess I have been bit by the Prowler, but if the LSU game is such an anomaly, and the MSU game was business as usual, then where the fuck was all of this prior to the MSU game??
Were we not touting how Chizik has outperformed expectations every single year he's been at the helm?
Were we not thinking along these lines (http://www.nevertoyieldfoundation.com/2012/the-numbers-game/)?
That was before the rooster fucked the picture frame I guess. I don't think I was thinking along those lines. That's not radical enough for me.
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How things are really run, I have no clue. A lot of speculation over how Chizik handles his job. My thoughts have/had always been more hands on than Tuberville but still a CEO who lets his assistants run their respective shows. I also thought he stayed out of his assistants way to a fault, as had to be evidenced by Roof and our defense the last 3 years. Was/is that the case? Again, I have no clue.
But with that in mind, I was pumped with the addition of Van Gorder and Martinez. Loeffler? Didn't know enough about him to be excited but glad to see us getting back to the traditional running game that we've all grown up with. My overall take going into the season, like many others, was we may not win more games but we will be much improved over last year.
Then the season started. And with the 1-3 start, I can no longer ignore the with/without Cam comparisons made by our rivals that used to gripe our collective asses. No, you can't take away what Chizik did in 2010. But you can't turn a blind eye to 22-32, a totally inept offense and the worst stretch of defense in AU history either. I'm still okay with this staff if they do show some Prowler improvement over the next 8 games. However....
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How things are really run, I have no clue. A lot of speculation over how Chizik handles his job. My thoughts have/had always been more hands on than Tuberville but still a CEO who lets his assistants run their respective shows. I also thought he stayed out of his assistants way to a fault, as had to be evidenced by Roof and our defense the last 3 years. Was/is that the case? Again, I have no clue.
But with that in mind, I was pumped with the addition of Van Gorder and Martinez. Loeffler? Didn't know enough about him to be excited but glad to see us getting back to the traditional running game that we've all grown up with. My overall take going into the season, like many others, was we may not win more games but we will be much improved over last year.
Then the season started. And with the 1-3 start, I can no longer ignore the with/without Cam comparisons made by our rivals that used to gripe our collective asses. No, you can't take away what Chizik did in 2010. But you can't turn a blind eye to 22-32, a totally inept offense and the worst stretch of defense in AU history either. I'm still okay with this staff if they do show some Prowler improvement over the next 8 games. However....
Does Chizik get the same results with Trotter? Nope.
More and more 2010 is because of Cam and less of Chiz.
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Does Chizik get the same results with Trotter? Nope.
More and more 2010 is because of Cam and less of Chiz.
Cam was THE man, no doubt. But you also had 24 seniors, the majority of which were major contributors in one way or another. You had an O-line that had been together since they were mere pups. You had 3 juniors in Darvin Adams, Cam Newton and Nick Fairley along with a stud, dope smokin' love child of Emmit Smith and Rudi Johnson at RB. So, it could have been even more of that and even less of Chiz. Don't know. BUT...if Chizik is really a good coach, he'd better start proving it right now.
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We'd be 3-1 if Dyer was still on the team. He would still be
smoking running past Clemson's defense.
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Hey....um, mods.....yeah..hey, it's me. Yeah...look, I was only kidding about locking that bitch down. You know...the high school thread. Yeah, that one. Just funnin' and all that. :poke: Messin' around.
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Hey....um, mods.....yeah..hey, it's me. Yeah...look, I was only kidding about locking that bitch down. You know...the high school thread. Yeah, that one. Just funnin' and all that. :poke: Messin' around.
somewhere in south florida an e-penis has risen.
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somewhere in south florida an e-penis has risen.
TitanFather
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I guess I have been bit by the Prowler,
(http://www.tigersx.com/images/prowler_bite.jpg)
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Cam was THE man, no doubt. But you also had 24 seniors, the majority of which were major contributors in one way or another. You had an O-line that had been together since they were mere pups. You had 3 juniors in Darvin Adams, Cam Newton and Nick Fairley along with a stud, dope smokin' love child of Emmit Smith and Rudi Johnson at RB. So, it could have been even more of that and even less of Chiz. Don't know. BUT...if Chizik is really a good coach, he'd better start proving it right now.
Based on our talent alone the next 5 games are winnable: I don't see any excuse for losing to one of these teams.
Arky
Ole Piss
Vandy
A&M
NMS
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Look at the shout out he's giving me on his shirt.
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Look at the shout out he's giving me on his shirt.
you're on the rag?
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you're on the rag?
I don't think she has to deal with that anymore...menopause and all.
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We'd be 3-1 if Dyer was still on the team. He would still be smoking running past Clemson's defense.
I think with Trotter we beat Clemson and LSU. There were some passes that Fraizer went full tard on that I think Trotter could have made.
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I think with Trotter we beat Clemson and LSU. There were some passes that Fraizer went full tard on that I think Trotter could have made.
I wondered if he was somewhere in the stands with his year of eligibility more than once on Saturday.
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I guess I have been bit by the Prowler, but if the LSU game is such an anomaly, and the MSU game was business as usual, then where the fuck was all of this prior to the MSU game??
Were we not touting how Chizik has outperformed expectations every single year he's been at the helm?
Were we not thinking along these lines (http://www.nevertoyieldfoundation.com/2012/the-numbers-game/)?
I'm pretty sure the complaining started after the Clemson game and continued through ULM.
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I'm pretty sure the complaining started after the Clemson game and continued through ULM.
I think it was started last year when he was losing to our 4 main rivals by a combined score last of 170-45.
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I think it was started last year when he was losing to our 4 main rivals by a combined score last of 170-45.
Let's play hangman, P _ _ _ _ _ _ _ .
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I think it was started last year when he was losing to our 4 main rivals by a combined score last of 170-45.
That's not tooo bad.
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Notre Dame has had patience since Lou Holtz left.
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Let's play hangman, P _ _ _ _ _ _ _ .
Let me see if this helps: Is it a virtue?
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Let me see if this helps: Is it a virtue?
A really really good one.
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Notre Dame has had patience since Lou Holtz left.
And alot less players covered in spit.
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Let's play hangman, P _ _ _ _ _ _ _ .
Any Q's?
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I wondered if he was somewhere in the stands with his year of eligibility more than once on Saturday.
I would imagine he was.
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I don't think she has to deal with that anymore...menopause and all.
Since the hormone pills are working today, fine, +1, GF.
Although, I imagine Simp would love to have a woman going through menopause.
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Any Q's?
Nope.
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Prowlers Skreetz?
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Prowlers Skreetz?
(http://www.tigersx.com/images/patience_st.jpg)
Fact.
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Prowlers Skreetz?
(http://www.tigersx.com/images/patience_st.jpg)
Proof that we rolled Toomers when the Bahr died
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Proof that we rolled Toomers when the Bahr died
Bahr died? I thought he just got smaller.
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Nope.
RSTLNE
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RSTLNE
P_ T _ E N _ E
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Can I buy a U?
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Give me an A!!!
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OOOHH!! I know!!
NAGGERS.
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OOOHH!! I know!!
NAGGERS.
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I'm pretty sure the complaining started after the Clemson game and continued through ULM.
Yes and I remember 3/4's or 81% of this board getting pissed about the Clay Travis article I posted the Thursday or so before the msu game. I had a bad feeling about it. And at the time I was really starting to believe what he wrote. Didn't want to but I did. Sure the score was close with Clemson but......
I knew Clemson was without the best offensive player in cfb. I knew they put up 550 yards on us and it probably should have been closer to 700. I knew we scored one TD against one of the worst defenses in college football and even that one was due to busted coverage. I just couldn't ignore all of those things and had that awful feeling that things were about to go south. I guess that's why I was a little shocked that many fled to the ledge after msu. The issues were apparent after Clemson.
My initial thoughts on the team post Clemson in the travis thread:
The next 2, maybe 3 games will tell you exactly what this team is made of. We have a SEC team we should beat, a patsy we should pound and an SEC team that is better than us. Will we look like shit against LSU? I don't mind a loss to LSU but I can't take another blowout. Miss State? Sorry, but if we lose this game that's underachieving. We have loads more talent than MSU. Anything other than a 3+TD win against La-Monroe is full of fail too (see Utah State 2011). I hope (and think) this team will get better but the next 3 games will be a teetering point of whether we get better and make solid strides or whether we become unraveled. That's just the honest truth.
I'm not chicken little like a lot of fuckers are on here but I'm also not going to be naive to the fact that we have some glaring issues that do NOT seem to have gotten any better the last 2 years. New DC, a year's more experience with a great pass rush and still almost 600 yards of offense given up? Sorry, but that's a little excessive. I didn't expect to give up 300 yards or less every game and right off the bat - but shit, 600 yards?? And would have been closer to 700 if Clemson's WRs knew how to catch.
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A I C...is a virtue.
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What Kaos said.
Ditto