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Pat Dye Field => War Damn Eagle => Topic started by: Townhallsavoy on September 22, 2012, 10:38:36 PM
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See what you want from this game, but there's one fact - We lost.
We lost when Quan Bray muffed the punt.
We lost when Kiehl Frazier had misreads and poor, inaccurate throws.
We lost when our offensive coordinator called fifteen sweeps that never worked.
We lost when our head coach took a timeout for no apparent reason when we had an injured player.
We lost when we failed to make necessary adjustments to win the game.
We lost when it was 3rd and 12 with 5 minutes left in the and we ran it up the middle with Tre Mason.
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As usual WITH THIS COACHING STAFF. We lost
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Time to quit with the negativity. We are 1-3, the season won't amount to shit. I would feel like a hypocrite if I gave up on them now. I don't want the players to quit playing and learning. This year is now a learning season, play the young players and get ready for next year. It will be gut check time, they are not playing for the goals they set before the season. It is now about pride. Pride in yourself, your teammates, your coaches, your fans and your school.
We should all quit bitching, that is exactly what all the Bam's want. It is the reason that they talk shit now, call talk shows posing as Auburn fans, the proof of that was on Colege Gameday. If we give in now, we are no better than they are.
I will correct one thing, the players are now playing to beat the other school in this state the Saturday after Thanksgiving. I only hope that do not give up but day in and day out continue to progress.
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Time to quit with the negativity.
If I found out that players and coaches read this board and were emotionally affected by what we say, I'd agree with you.
But they don't. And even if they did, they probably wouldn't give two shits about what Townhallsavoy thinks about their football team.
So I'm going to continue with voicing negativity where it's due. Why? So that when Jay Jacobs or Jay Gogue or whoever has the power to make the tough decisions looks out at the Auburn fanbase, they may see a majority of people who are unhappy with mediocre football and see a majority of people who are unhappy with playing for pride and looking forward to the Alabama game.
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Gene brought us a BCSNC. Gene also brought us the first 3 loss team before the month of OCT in our FUCKING HISTORY! :puke:
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If we play this hard from here on out, we will at least be playing like an AU team.
I was proud of the fight tonight. If we had win, folks would just bitch that we got lucky.
Either way, it at least looked like an SEC Football game!
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Gene brought us a BCSNC. Gene also brought us the first 3 loss team before the month of OCT in our FUCKING HISTORY! :puke:
You realize that stat is very misleading, we didn't start playing more than two games before Oct. until after 1972 or '73. But hey, don't let facts stop you and the â€Lynch Mob†from trashing Auburn players and the coaching staff in the hopes that they'll be fired.
Any Auburn fan that is giving up on the coaches after four games and noticeable improvement, at the same time giving up on the players...well, y'all can fucking suck my dick, you pieces of shit fans. Y'all might as well as rename this board The NurseryX, because all I see is a bunch of fucking crybabies looking for a tit to suck on.
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Moral victory?
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Moral victory?
We improved!
I think we should peruse Ole Miss websites for a while. See how they phrase their emotions after losing football games.
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If I found out that players and coaches read this board and were emotionally affected by what we say, I'd agree with you.
But they don't. And even if they did, they probably wouldn't give two shits about what Townhallsavoy thinks about their football team.
So I'm going to continue with voicing negativity where it's due. Why? So that when Jay Jacobs or Jay Gogue or whoever has the power to make the tough decisions looks out at the Auburn fanbase, they may see a majority of people who are unhappy with mediocre football and see a majority of people who are unhappy with playing for pride and looking forward to the Alabama game.
Wasn't really the point I was going for. I understand calling out problems, such as Holland. Jacobs isn't make any decisions by what we post on this board either.
I'm just tired of blasting the team and Chizik even if I don't agree with what is going on, I don't want the players to quit playing because of the losses and the negativity from fans. We are only a third through the season, I can voice my opinion but it doesn't affect anything.
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You realize that stat is very misleading, we didn't start playing more than two games before Oct. until after 1972 or '73. But hey, don't let facts stop you and the â€Lynch Mob†from trashing Auburn players and the coaching staff in the hopes that they'll be fired.
Any Auburn fan that is giving up on the coaches after four games and noticeable improvement, at the same time giving up on the players...well, y'all can fucking suck my dick, you pieces of shit fans. Y'all might as well as rename this board The NurseryX, because all I see is a bunch of fucking crybabies looking for a tit to suck on.
You do realize that we have played at least three fucking games before Oct 1 for my (and probably your) entire fucking life. Keep sucking those dicks and keep burying your head deeper in the sand.
And for the record, I haven't said that anybody should be fired. Fucker.
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If I found out that players and coaches read this board and were emotionally affected by what we say, I'd agree with you.
But they don't. And even if they did, they probably wouldn't give two shoots about what Townhallsavoy thinks about their football team.
So I'm going to continue with voicing negativity where it's due. Why? So that when Jay Jacobs or Jay Gogue or whoever has the power to make the tough decisions looks out at the Auburn fanbase, they may see a majority of people who are unhappy with mediocre football and see a majority of people who are unhappy with playing for pride and looking forward to the Alabama game.
If the players aren't reading the message boards I doubt that Jacobs or Gogue are either.
I did see improvement tonight. If they continue to improve then the coaches deserve another season. If they don't, then we have decisions to make.
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If the players aren't reading the message boards I doubt that Jacobs or Gogue are either.
I did see improvement tonight. If they continue to improve then the coaches deserve another season. If they don't, then we have decisions to make.
I didn't mean that Gogue and Jacobs do. I meant that our small voices can point out areas of needed improvement and can poignantly criticize the program where criticism is warranted. That, hopefully, will wake up some Auburn fans who look at this season combined with last season and think that Chizik is doing an upstanding job.
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I didn't mean that Gogue and Jacobs do. I meant that our small voices can point out areas of needed improvement and can poignantly criticize the program where criticism is warranted. That, hopefully, will wake up some Auburn fans who look at this season combined with last season and think that Chizik is doing an upstanding job.
There is only one person on this board that meets the above, and he is completely lost, absolutely no hope, delusional. Proof, see the "after 4 games thread" we go 7-5/8-4 this year. :haha:
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There is only one person on this board that meets the above, and he is completely lost, absolutely no hope, delusional. Proof, see the "after 4 games thread" we go 7-5/8-4 this year. :haha:
No, stupid fuck, I'm realistic. I see continuous improvement and I'll continue to see improvement which will put us over the .500 mark.
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You do realize that we have played at least three fucking games before Oct 1 for my (and probably your) entire fucking life. Keep sucking those dicks and keep burying your head deeper in the sand.
And for the record, I haven't said that anybody should be fired. Fucker.
My bad, I figured that you did...since it seems like everyone here, except me and a couple others that I've spoken to, were all about firing anyone and everyone.
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No, stupid fuck, I'm realistic. I see continuous improvement and I'll continue to see improvement which will put us over the .500 mark.
You are the furthest thing from realistic dumbass. In year four of a program you should not be seeing continuos improvement leading to a 6-6 season. And again how is 187 total offensive yards an improvement? You really need to shut the fuck up.
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From the perspective of a guy who went to the game (me), there was no shame in the way we fought tonight. Defensively, a hard hitting, hard fought game. The defense came to play ball.
On offense, the only word I can use to accurately describe it is enept. Very frustrating watching us bumble fuck around. The play calling was absolutely horrible. Our OC put us in a bad spot over and over.
The crowd was fucking electric during the game. Driving in to Auburn, the atmosphere was blah. No excitement whatsoever from either Auburn or LSU fans. It definitely took a 180 turn inside the stadium. It reminded me of the old "knock a snot bubble" games we're used to seeing in this rivalry.
I bought a ticket outside the stadium for $20. Lower level seat in section 13.
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All I'm going to say about this is the following:
1) If we hadn't been completely embarrassed by Mississippi Fucking State, the loss tonight would be a hell of a lot easier to take. If we'd beaten them a lot of things might feel differently. But we didn't.
2) The offense is a fucking disgrace. There's no excuse for a college team looking that bumbling. And yeah, you can put a whole heaping load of it on Frazier. The fairy pass he floated that was intercepted? Full tard. And once that happened? He turned into Fred Fucking Astaire again. Dance, dance, dance, fall down. Like the Apple Dumpling Gang, can't pull the trigger. Pretty obvious the team has no confidence in him.
3) If we don't beat the trailer fire that is Arkansas? Shut the gates and just practice until next season.
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All I'm going to say about this is the following:
1) If we hadn't been completely embarrassed by Mississippi Fucking State, the loss tonight would be a hell of a lot easier to take. If we'd beaten them a lot of things might feel differently. But we didn't.
Exactly.
How do we know the defensive effort tonight wasn't a fluke?
I haven't seen an AU defense play like that since Chizik arrived. Now I'm suddenly supposed to apologize for my previous feelings and think that we're just a work in progress? All after one game against a team that is known for having offensive buffoonery at times during a season?
Crow's not served. Not yet. Definitely not after a loss. Definitely not when we're 1-3.
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I am about 50/50 on Chiziks decision not to go for it with such little time left. With the way the D had been playing all night, I would have probably made the same decision. I feel bad for Evans because dude was on
fire last night and he missed that one tackle that would have made LSU punt.
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As far as the OC goes, if he keeps calling plays like he did last night, he will be this years coaching
casualty. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt with not having a serviceable QB for Pro Style offense.
It doesn't take a smart sombitch to figure out you can't call plays running around the corners on LSU.
Once they started hitting the middle, Mason was gaining some good yardage. Back to Frazier, I thought
he actually played pretty well for the most part. Well, he played much better. He still made some boneheaded moves. There were several times that he should have just ran the ball or threw it away.
I'm still scratching my head as to why he didn't run.
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As far as the OC goes, if he keeps calling plays like he did last night, he will be this years coaching
casualty. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt with not having a serviceable QB for Pro Style offense.
It doesn't take a smart sombitch to figure out you can't call plays running around the corners on LSU.
Once they started hitting the middle, Mason was gaining some good yardage. Back to Frazier, I thought
he actually played pretty well for the most part. Well, he played much better. He still made some boneheaded moves. There were several times that he should have just ran the ball or threw it away.
I'm still scratching my head as to why he didn't run.
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"Pro Style offense" doesn't have dick to do with it, Corso.
Not serviceable in ANY offense. My friend's comment? "He looks so scared! He looks like a sad, soft little baby. Somebody should hug him and make him feel better. He doesn't look anything like a quarterback at all."
And the comment on LSU's quarterback? "I know a girl who dated him in ninth grade. IN 1977! That's the gayest mustache I've ever seen. "
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And the comment on LSU's quarterback? "I know a girl who dated him in ninth grade. IN 1977! That's the gayest mustache I've ever seen. "
No shit. My first thought was a porno Bieber.
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"Pro Style offense" doesn't have dick to do with it, Corso.
Yes, he does look timid but he looked more in control last night.....ok, just a little but a lot more
than he has. Honestly though, I'm thinkin its a combination of the OC and Frazier, not just
Frazier.
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Yes, he does look timid but he looked more in control last night.....ok, just a little but a lot more
than he has. Honestly though, I'm thinkin its a combination of the OC and Frazier, not just
Frazier.
He looked like a scared little gerbil last season too. It's not the "style" it's him.
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Yes, he does look timid but he looked more in control last night.....ok, just a little but a lot more
than he has. Honestly though, I'm thinkin its a combination of the OC and Frazier, not just
Frazier.
He didn't do dick under malzahn either. Cgm started Moseley and trotter for a reason. I think the kid was overvalued at the hs level. And also has regressed under our head man. Loeffler aint the common denominator here. Kf is just plain lost.
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He didn't do dick under malzahn either. Cgm started Moseley and trotter for a reason. I think the kid was overvalued at the hs level. And also has regressed under our head man. Loeffler aint the common denominator here. Kf is just plain lost.
I can hear the responses..."It's Loeffler's job to make chicken salad out of chicken shit." It's never "the kid just can't play, and he's all we got". It's play calling and coaching.
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I'm not expecting for Loaf to do magic on Frazier, only that both
are reasons for lack of offensive production. Why did Loaf keep
trying to run the edges? Finally he started calln plays up the middle
and we all the sudden had a running game.
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I'm not expecting for Loaf to do magic on Frazier, only that both
are reasons for lack of offensive production. Why did Loaf keep
trying to run the edges? Finally he started calln plays up the middle
and we all the sudden had a running game.
You ever consider, for just even a brief minute, that sometimes you have to call Play A (the "edges play"), which may or may not be wildly successful, in order to get Play B (the "inside play") to work?
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Yes
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You ever consider, for just even a brief minute, that sometimes you have to call Play A (the "edges play"), which may or may not be wildly successful, in order to get Play B (the "inside play") to work?
Not only that you have to run A and B b/c your personnel isn't capable of running play C which is what you know will take advantage of an opponents weakness.
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Not only that you have to run A and B b/c your personnel isn't capable of running play C which is what you know will take advantage of an opponents weakness.
Right. Loeffler has 3 choices. Run inside, run outside, or incomplete pass/INT. It's quite limiting.
I really do think since they chose to burn Wallace's red shirt, that we're either fixing to see some battling going on at the QB spot, or he's going to be given a package of plays like Frazier was given last year, except (hopefully) a bigger one, and one where he's a threat to throw. If neither of those is true, then it's one more clue that this staff is clueless if we don't see more of him in the future after burning his red shirt.
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Right. Loeffler has 3 choices. Run inside, run outside, or incomplete pass/INT. It's quite limiting.
I really do think since they chose to burn Wallace's red shirt, that we're either fixing to see some battling going on at the QB spot, or he's going to be given a package of plays like Frazier was given last year, except (hopefully) a bigger one, and one where he's a threat to throw. If neither of those is true, then it's one more clue that this staff is clueless if we don't see more of him in the future after burning his red shirt.
I don't have any reason to believe it won't be exactly the same as last year.
Wallace is the new Frazier.
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I don't have any reason to believe it won't be exactly the same as last year.
Wallace is the new Frazier.
I'd give a testicle to get back to being as good as last year.
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I'd give a testicle to get back to being as good as last year.
You don't value your testicles very much, better talk to Snags before making that decision.
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You don't value your testicles very much, better talk to Snags before making that decision.
He still has his, they are just in his carry on bag now.
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I saw Snaggle before the game, we had a great 30 second conversation until my wife yelled for me for talking.....Grow a pair Snaggle.
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I saw Snaggle before the game, we had a great 30 second conversation until my wife yelled for me for talking.....Grow a pair Snaggle.
I lol'd
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See what you want from this game, but there's one fact - We lost.
We lost when Quan Bray muffed the punt.
We lost when Kiehl Frazier had misreads and poor, inaccurate throws.
We lost when our offensive coordinator called fifteen sweeps that never worked.
We lost when our head coach took a timeout for no apparent reason when we had an injured player.
We lost when we failed to make necessary adjustments to win the game.
We lost when it was 3rd and 12 with 5 minutes left in the and we ran it up the middle with Tre Mason.
Question on the time out. I think it was Florence that got banged up right at the AU sideline. Were we still on D after that play?
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Alright I got a question, we have shown that we are able to run up the middle with Mason. We can run outside with misdirection on occasion when it is set up properly. We have used the fake sweep to set up the run up the middle. Why have we not transitioned that into a play action pass? Would have been a good use when we got the safety and also on the 2nd down play before the overthrow to Omac.
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I watched the first half on the ESPN replay (which sucks since they edit out the "non-productive series"), and I thought I saw Loeffler on the sidelines talking with Chizik after a failed 3rd down conversion. He started the season in the booth, has he made a transition to the sideline? If so, can we read anything into that? Some in-game coaching for Frazier, perhaps?
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I watched the first half on the ESPN replay (which sucks since they edit out the "non-productive series"), and I thought I saw Loeffler on the sidelines talking with Chizik after a failed 3rd down conversion. He started the season in the booth, has he made a transition to the sideline? If so, can we read anything into that? Some in-game coaching for Frazier, perhaps?
Gotta be honest - that is where I have wanted him all season. If you are just the OC, then maybe being in the booth is a good thing so you can see the plays develop, see formations, etc.. But if you are also a position coach, ESPECIALLY the QB coach, and you have specific players that are your specific responsibility, then talking on a phone won't work. You need to be there for him, to praise, to get in his face, make adjustments, coach up, whatever.
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Gotta be honest - that is where I have wanted him all season. If you are just the OC, then maybe being in the booth is a good thing so you can see the plays develop, see formations, etc.. But if you are also a position coach, ESPECIALLY the QB coach, and you have specific players that are your specific responsibility, then talking on a phone won't work. You need to be there for him, to praise, to get in his face, make adjustments, coach up, whatever.
Totally agree. Assistants can sit in the booth and relay info to the sidelines, but I want my OC/DC and especially my QB coach on the sideline.
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I watched the first half on the ESPN replay (which sucks since they edit out the "non-productive series"), and I thought I saw Loeffler on the sidelines talking with Chizik after a failed 3rd down conversion. He started the season in the booth, has he made a transition to the sideline? If so, can we read anything into that? Some in-game coaching for Frazier, perhaps?
I read Chizik's lips during one of the camera shots. Chizik was telling Loeffler to go talk to Frazier and tell him to calm down. It was after a really badly overthrown ball.
Maybe Loeffler lacks in-game coaching skills? Motivational skills? Who knows. But Chizik was definitely coaching him up during the game.
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I read Chizik's lips during one of the camera shots. Chizik was telling Loeffler to go talk to Frazier and tell him to calm down. It was after a really badly overthrown ball.
Maybe Loeffler lacks in-game coaching skills? Motivational skills? Who knows. But Chizik was definitely coaching him up during the game.
So, the answer to my question is: Yes, Loeffler was on the sideline?
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So, the answer to my question is: Yes, Loeffler was on the sideline?
Yes, he was. I also thought I saw Chizik getting on Loeffler at one point.
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I saw a write up on it yesterday how they decided to make the switch and put him on the field. I think that was Loeffler's preference in the first place. Not sure why he's been in the booth.
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I saw a write up on it yesterday how they decided to make the switch and put him on the field. I think that was Loeffler's preference in the first place. Not sure why he's been in the booth.
Not according to the article at the beginning of the season Loeffler wanted to be in the booth. Damn Jay Jacobs.
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copypasta teh eagle
Auburn notebook: Freshman quarterback Wallace debuts in Wildcat role
By: Ryan Wood | Opelika-Auburn News
Published: September 23, 2012 Updated: September 23, 2012 - 12:16 AM
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AUBURN - Finally, the time was right for Auburn freshman quarterback Jonathan Wallace.
Playing a Wildcat role during a 12-10 loss Saturday night to LSU – the same job starting quarterback Kiehl Frazier had last season – Wallace ran for 15 yards on three carries.
It was the first time the former Central star got on the field in four games.
“It was a lot of fun, and it was exciting as a freshman getting able to play,†Wallace said.
Auburn coach Gene Chizik said the true freshman deserved playing time.
“Jonathan has made a pretty consistent track in terms of improvement out of practice, and we like his poise,†Wallace said. “He is an extremely intelligent young man when it comes to the game of football. He was very successful in high school with his team, and he earned the right to play.
“That is as simple as I can put it, and he will continue to earn the right to play some more.â€
Loeffler likes view from the sideline
Auburn offensive coordinator Scot Loeffler usually stays in the coaching box during games, calling plays down to the field.
Against LSU’s stout defense, he and Chizik decided it was better to be able to have personal interaction with their young starting quarterback. So for the first time this season, Loeffler coached from the sideline Saturday.
“We thought it was best that I could be face-to-face with Kiehl,†Loeffler said. “It was good to be face-to-face with him to make adjustments.â€
Loeffler said he will likely coach from the sideline when Auburn plays Arkansas in two weeks at Jordan-Hare Stadium.
Defensive tackles get penetration
No matter which players rotated in, Auburn’s defensive tackles had struggled to get into the offensive backfield this season.
Junior Jeff Whitaker said the tackles penetrated more Saturday, one of the primary changes that led to defensive improvement. The reason, Whitaker said, was a better understanding of run fits in defensive coordinator Brian VanGorder’s system.
“We’re in this defense, it’s a new defense and each week we’re getting better and better with understanding what are the things that you can and can not do, and what are your gap responsibilities,†Whitaker said. “I think it’s just coming all together, and plus we played together today.â€
Auburn plays with heavy hearts
Auburn had an emotional Saturday night for a much more important reason than its close loss to LSU.
Before the game, Chizik said he and the team learned Joe Bagwell, a 23-year-old student assistant coach from Huntsville, had died. The cause of death was not revealed.
“It is a very heavy heart for myself and a lot of our players and a lot of our coaches right now,†Chizik said. “The young man, who was a student assistant with us in football, passed away shortly before the game unexpectedly, and it is very tragic. Our thoughts and prayers go out to him and his family.â€
Bagwell was a student trainer for Auburn last season.
Quick hits
With his 59 return yards Saturday, senior running back Onterio McCalebb now has 1,058 kick return yards for his career, making him the first player in Auburn history to have more than 2,000 rushing, 1,000 kick return and 500 receiving yards. The last SEC player to accomplish that feat was Kentucky's Derrick Locke (2007-10). ... Cody Parkey's 40-yard field goal ties him with Wes Byrum for the longest streak of made field goals with nine in a row. ... Emory Blake's 56 receiving yards gives him 1,455 for his career, moving him into 11th all-time atAuburn, passing Ronney Daniels (1,446). ...Auburn lost just its third game under Chizik when leading at halftime. The Tigers are now 23-3 when taking a lead into the break. ... The first-quarter safety was the first Auburn has given up since the 2008 Mississippi State game. That game ended in a 3-2 Tigers' victory in Starkville, Miss.
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Anyone see Ladarius Owens play Saturday? I know he's firmly in the rotation at DE but I kept looking for him Saturday night and never saw him get in. Not saying he didn't just missed him if he did.
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Anyone see Ladarius Owens play Saturday? I know he's firmly in the rotation at DE but I kept looking for him Saturday night and never saw him get in. Not saying he didn't just missed him if he did.
He played. Some good and some bad. LSU's RB beat him to the corner for their only TD of the night
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He played. Some good and some bad. LSU's RB beat him to the corner for their only TD of the night
If you're keeping score at home that was one of the bad ones.
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If you're keeping score at home that was one of the bad ones.
He's not the best color man in the business for nothin folks.
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He's not the best color man in the business for nothin folks.
You can't say goddamn on the air.
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You can't say goddamn on the air.
Relax, nobody's listening anyway.
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You are the furthest thing from realistic dumbass. In year four of a program you should not be seeing continuos improvement leading to a 6-6 season. And again how is 187 total offensive yards an improvement? You really need to shut the fuck up.
It's time for you to wake the fuck up and realize that this is the fourth year, we have a NEW OC bringing in a Pro-Style Offense, transitioning from the Spread Option Offense (hint: The QB had played in the same Spread Option Offense since his Freshman year, in High School)...we're also have a NEW DC bringing in his NFL style of 4-3, trying to unfuck the the situation that he was brought into (hint: the MLB is the QB of the Defense, CBVG's Defense takes more than a few games to grasp...this coming from former UGA LBer Boss Bailey). Both systems take time, it's nearly the same systematic change that Michigan went through when they hired Rich Rod, but this time it's on both side of the ball and we don't have a pocket passing QB, yet (Frazier is still in the learning phase and he could become something special with a little more time and maturity)....there it is again, time (patience).
Also, you should watch the game again...watch the ZERO push that our OL gets on their front 4 and realize that yes they have underclassmen on their Defense, but it's a system that's been in place for a few years now, coached by a top notch DC in John Chavis (If you have a Dominant front 4, everyone behind them looks a lot better).
So, maybe you should be the one to shut your fucking mouth...unless you want to keep making an ass out of yourself with each and every post.
Patience is a virtue.
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..........patience........patience........patience........just a little patience
Patience is a virtue.
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I don't have any reason to believe it won't be exactly the same as last year.
Wallace is the new Frazier.
Not even close. Wallace actually runs the ball. Captain tip-toe NEVER actually ran the ball.
If they can get Wallace a few short passes off of the run fake, it will open up the field for him to run. And he does look to have some wheels.
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That's Hawt!
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BOOM MUTHAFUCKA!!!!
Thats 6 grillz and a pimp cup.
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It's time for you to wake the fuck up and realize that this is the fourth year, we have a NEW OC bringing in a Pro-Style Offense, transitioning from the Spread Option Offense (hint: The QB had played in the same Spread Option Offense since his Freshman year, in High School)...we're also have a NEW DC bringing in his NFL style of 4-3, trying to unfuck the the situation that he was brought into (hint: the MLB is the QB of the Defense, CBVG's Defense takes more than a few games to grasp...this coming from former UGA LBer Boss Bailey). Both systems take time, it's nearly the same systematic change that Michigan went through when they hired Rich Rod, but this time it's on both side of the ball and we don't have a pocket passing QB, yet (Frazier is still in the learning phase and he could become something special with a little more time and maturity)....there it is again, time (patience).
Also, you should watch the game again...watch the ZERO push that our OL gets on their front 4 and realize that yes they have underclassmen on their Defense, but it's a system that's been in place for a few years now, coached by a top notch DC in John Chavis (If you have a Dominant front 4, everyone behind them looks a lot better).
So, maybe you should be the one to shut your fucking mouth...unless you want to keep making an ass out of yourself with each and every post.
Patience is a virtue.
Our front four was pretty dominant, yet Holland did not look "a lot" better.
Plenty of head coaches have changed coordinators/schemes and have not looked like complete crap doing so. I can somewhat understand a slower development on offense, but not a crawl like we are doing. As for the "Frazier is a spread QB" argument that is crap, that is where you look dumb. Even a spread QB can throw the ball, Frazier has been most inaccurate when scrambling from pressure, not a weakness a "spread" QB should have. He has also shown no signs of being able to run. I actually think that if things at some point click for him, he will be better as a pro style than spread.
But the whole point is that the head man has been there for going on 4 years. He is the one that has made the DECISIONS that have us in the position we are withe developing players, changing coaches and schemes. He was credited for winning a tittle and must also be accountable for how things were last year and this year. Things might change you never know, what we do know is what has already happened and that is what he is judged on. So your patience argument is not much of an argument, people are free to express their feelings and thoughts as they wish. We still have 8 games left and its not like anyone is saying fire everyone tomorrow or even at the end of the year.
You have some good points, you also have some that are completely fan driven those are the ones that most on this board are tired of. You can support Auburn, support Chizik and support the players and also be realistic with how you see the development of the team. If shit was always sunshine and roses there would never be room for improvement.
Great coaching and also cover up player weaknesses, ie. Saban's 2nd and 3rd year at Alabama.
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Our front four was pretty dominant, yet Holland did not look "a lot" better.
Plenty of head coaches have changed coordinators/schemes and have not looked like complete crap doing so. I can somewhat understand a slower development on offense, but not a crawl like we are doing. As for the "Frazier is a spread QB" argument that is crap, that is where you look dumb. Even a spread QB can throw the ball, Frazier has been most inaccurate when scrambling from pressure, not a weakness a "spread" QB should have. He has also shown no signs of being able to run. I actually think that if things at some point click for him, he will be better as a pro style than spread.
But the whole point is that the head man has been there for going on 4 years. He is the one that has made the DECISIONS that have us in the position we are withe developing players, changing coaches and schemes. He was credited for winning a tittle and must also be accountable for how things were last year and this year. Things might change you never know, what we do know is what has already happened and that is what he is judged on. So your patience argument is not much of an argument, people are free to express their feelings and thoughts as they wish. We still have 8 games left and its not like anyone is saying fire everyone tomorrow or even at the end of the year.
You have some good points, you also have some that are completely fan driven those are the ones that most on this board are tired of. You can support Auburn, support Chizik and support the players and also be realistic with how you see the development of the team. If shit was always sunshine and roses there would never be room for improvement.
Great coaching and also cover up player weaknesses, ie. Saban's 2nd and 3rd year at Alabama.
Holland had ten tackles (2 solos 8 asst.) and broke up a pass, certainly his best game. Yeah I'd say he improved and I'm sure he realizes he can do much better including one missed sack of a QB, the one that he is being called out on the most. Happens to all defenders!
Frazier had a good first half, 8-11 with two drops. He did have that awful second half pick and was sacked twice when he clearly should have thrown the ball away. And other than those three decisions I would say he managed a fair game overall because he gave us a chance which is what he was asked to do.
Bray's muffed punt might have changed the momentum but I saw Lutz fail on some blocks which would have led to positive yards as well. Plenty of blame to go around. We got little from our offensive line late into the third quarter and that hinders Loeffler's play calling ability.
We have our MLB and our QB and I think the DC and OC are sticking with them.
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Holland had ten tackles (2 solos 8 asst.) and broke up a pass, certainly his best game. Yeah I'd say he improved and I'm sure he realizes he can do much better including one missed sack of a QB, the one that he is being called out on the most. Happens to all defenders!
Frazier had a good first half, 8-11 with two drops. He did have that awful second half pick and was sacked twice when he clearly should have thrown the ball away. And other than those three decisions I would say he managed a fair game overall because he gave us a chance which is what he was asked to do.
Bray's muffed punt might have changed the momentum but I saw Lutz fail on some blocks which would have led to positive yards as well. Plenty of blame to go around. We got little from our offensive line late into the third quarter and that hinders Loeffler's play calling ability.
We have our MLB and our QB and I think the DC and OC are sticking with them.
8 assists means he ran to the pile and dove on at the end of the play. I've seen that happen repeatedly.
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8 assists means he ran to the pile and dove on at the end of the play. I've seen that happen repeatedly.
That is correct, and I believe at least one of the solo tackles was a pass to the man he was defending.
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That is correct, and I believe at least one of the solo tackles was a pass to the man he was defending chasing.
adjusted it.
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1) Our front four was pretty dominant, yet Holland did not look "a lot" better.
2)Plenty of head coaches have changed coordinators/schemes and have not looked like complete crap doing so. I can somewhat understand a slower development on offense, but not a crawl like we are doing. As for the "Frazier is a spread QB" argument that is crap, that is where you look dumb. Even a spread QB can throw the ball, Frazier has been most inaccurate when scrambling from pressure, not a weakness a "spread" QB should have. He has also shown no signs of being able to run. I actually think that if things at some point click for him, he will be better as a pro style than spread.
3)But the whole point is that the head man has been there for going on 4 years. He is the one that has made the DECISIONS that have us in the position we are withe developing players, changing coaches and schemes. He was credited for winning a tittle and must also be accountable for how things were last year and this year. Things might change you never know, what we do know is what has already happened and that is what he is judged on. So your patience argument is not much of an argument, people are free to express their feelings and thoughts as they wish. We still have 8 games left and
3a)its not like anyone is saying fire everyone tomorrow or even at the end of the year.
4)You have some good points, you also have some that are completely fan driven those are the ones that most on this board are tired of. You can support Auburn, support Chizik and support the players and also be realistic with how you see the development of the team. If shit was always sunshine and roses there would never be room for improvement.
5)Great coaching and also cover up player weaknesses, ie. Saban's 2nd and 3rd year at Alabama.
1) Never stated that Holland looked â€a lot betterâ€, stated that I saw improvement nothing more.
2) With Frazier being a first year starter it's gonna take a little time to develop...on top of that it takes time to develop a QB, that has played in one particular system during his whole HS football career and his first year in College then makes the transition to a different system.
3) Coach Chizik is the type of Head Coach that lets his Coordinators coach (he steps in when he feels the need too, see last year with the Defense).
3a)Did you forget this thread? (http://www.tigersx.com/forum/index.php?topic=19399.0)
4) & 5) I agree
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3) Coach Chizik is the type of Head Coach that lets his Coordinators coach (he steps in when he feels the need too, see last year with the Defense).
This is the stuff I'm talking about Prowler, you are just talking out of your ass. You have no idea whether this is true or not.
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3a)Did you forget this thread? (http://www.tigersx.com/forum/index.php?topic=19399.0)
I didn't forget about that thread, but again most are not saying that they want Chizik gone at the end of the year, simply bringing it up. And rightfully so. After 3 years and 4 games this season, it has to be considered, however the decision should not be made now. But if this season gets any worse there is definitely reason to strongly consider it at the end of the year. I think that is the disconnect with you and most others on here. You want to hate us because we are considering his firing at the end of the year based on facts to this point, yet you want to give him the benefit of doubt and firmly believe it will get better. I really hope you are correct, but if you take out the 2010 season there are very strong signs suggesting that Chizik is not going to turn this ship around. For me the biggest issue I have is that we have not had a defense for 3 going on 4 years. That is a problem in the SEC. Even in 2010 our defense had holes, thankfully we had an offense that could overcome.
IMO Chizik came in and made some great decisions with the staff he put together. He also made a great decision to go to the spread, while trying to rebuild the program. He has made two big mistakes. First, (I know you Prowler won't agree with this one) he did not get rid of Roof after 2010. Ok so he let winning the NCG affect his decision, but all of the reasons to fire Roof were there. Second, hiring Loeffler as OC I believe will be his second horrible decision. While I think he did it to at least attempt to make Frazier a serviceable QB as he knew we had no other option, it was a big gamble. He should have found a proven OC and hired a QB coach as well. I don't dislike Chizik at all, I understand that he is a good man a man of character but it bothers me that we have had so many off the field issues. Is he able to teach his beliefs and football knowledge to the players? To me that is the biggest question.
Look at Chizik's tenure:
2009 showed signs of promise, defense struggled.
2010 won title, defense struggled.
2011 horrible. Offense struggled, defense was pure crap. Blow out against UGA, LSU and UA.
2012 off to a 1-3 start, let's see what happens in the next 8 games, but given the facts if huge improvement is not made Chizik's fate should be at least questioned.
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Look at Chizik's tenure:
2009 showed signs of promise, defense struggled.
2010 won title, defense struggled.
2011 horrible. Offense struggled, defense was pure crap. Blow out against UGA, LSU and UA.
2012 off to a 1-3 start, let's see what happens in the next 8 games, but given the facts if huge improvement is not made Chizik's fate should be at least questioned.
If you flip flopped the 2011 and 2012 seasons, I'd get it, I'd say we're improving. But we've regressed, and it's more than changing schemes.
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If you flip flopped the 2011 and 2012 seasons, I'd get it, I'd say we're improving. But we've regressed, and it's more than changing schemes.
I agree, I could somewhat see it on offense if we weren't so bad, but on defense there is no reason to still be struggling.
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Written equivalent to :&
I admire your tenacity but you do realize that you couldn't get him to admit the stupidity and contradictions and downright Cleopatra nature of his positions with anything short of a two by four, a rabid mongoose and a cement truck, right?
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G Att Comp Pct. Yards Yards/Att TD Int Rating Att/G Yards/G
13 328 198 60.4 2612 8.0 22 6 145.73 25.2 200.9
These are the serviceable numbers that should keep us in games since our QB is taking the brunt of the criticism.
At this juncture Frazier can't match the TD/Int ratio obviously but I'm more interested in his Pct. and Yards/Att which are both low numbers (mid fifties and less than five yards per attempt) And as much as I like to see a new guy like Wallace gets some work it makes it tough on a QB to stay in a rythym with the offense, especially one without a 25 carry/game back to help move the chains (see Newton, Campbell and Cox) Nevertheless Chizik and Loeffler have elected to go with this approach and like everyone else I'm just looking for results.
IMO Frazier struggles mainly with his short game, the finesse stuff. This is generally when he is flushed becomes indecisive and bad things happen. He can air it out effectively to the WRs when he sets and throws as witnessed by the first half in the LSU game. (8-11)
I'm just as impatient as the next fan only I see a future winner in the kid that apparently few here do. So for the next 8 games (cupcakes incl.) I'm looking for progress at the position beyond just missing an open receiver or throwing a pick in a desperate last second drive. I think he can become a very good QB, better than just serviceable. Couldn't care less for stats when it comes to winning games but it helps to have something to shoot for.
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This is the stuff I'm talking about Prowler, you are just talking out of your ass. You have no idea whether this is true or not.
Coach Chizik hired the guys to do the job and if he ever has to step in and start doing their job (ie having to get a lot more involved than usual), then that particular coach won't be around to start the next season. That's the type of coach, Coach Chizik is. Don't fucking tell me what I know and don't know.
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On the new coordinators: I'm very happy at the present with CBVG with the addition of Martinez.
As far as Loeffler goes I'm quite a bit more reticent due to his lack of experience in running an offense on this level but the man needs an opportunity to prove himself since his only true stint was at Temple.Why? How about because he has a fucking contract. We were in desperate need of a QB's coach and he had at least been around some pretty good ones albeit mostly with ground oriented offenses as a player, graduate assistant and full time assistant.
There is no doubt in my mind that Gus Malzahn could systematically cut any defense up if left to his own designs. But whatever took place from his first few years changed my opinion of him dramatically as a "position coach" and play caller. Was it Chizik? I'm going to say yes but the greatest leftovers from the 2010 defense were gone and statistically the numbers were abysmal. I agree Roof should have been gone but who fires the DC after a NC? No seriously! He should have at least been demoted and I think Chizik might have even considered doing just that but given the depth issues and lack of development, he might have looked at a demotion as just a way of prolonging the inevitable. And these are the same decisions that Tub's faced throughout his tenure, the majority of which were well timed and successful.
So as a fan I have no choice but to observe this marriage of wannabe smashmouth offense and lockdown defense while we "tutor" an entire team whose only experience with such is as a four star recruit that has watched Nick Saban's Alabama defenses rule the SEC. But this is what I kept reading and hearing from others including many here. And as impatient as I am I can see some progress being made on the defensive side of the ball. Again, we do not have a runner like Dyer and we have a mostly fledgeling offensive line learning to play together with a shotgun QB relegated to running that had to be confused by how he was utilized last season (I use worse language to describe even a perceived normal 2 QB system) and I'm willing to exercize some "patience" and see what takes place in the games ahead.
I have the Texas A&M game circled as an exam date and expect to have a better feel for what Chizik and Loeffler are trying to accomplish with this offense and Frazier. If I can't exclude the MSU first roadgame results I can't ignore the home game cupcakes either. I agree that Barrett Trotter would have us in better shape at the QB position if for nothing less than his experience but for some reason he elected not to return. Go fucking figure!
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I admire your tenacity but you do realize that you couldn't get him to admit the stupidity and contradictions and downright Cleopatra nature of his positions with anything short of a two by four, a rabid mongoose and a cement truck, right?
I get what you're cooking, I don't have half the talent of the likes of Kaos when it comes to expressing myself through writing. I wanted to make a rational attempt to get my point accross as opposed to the posts I have made in anger after the games.
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Coach Chizik hired the guys to do the job and if he ever has to step in and start doing their job (ie having to get a lot more involved than usual), then that particular coach won't be around to start the next season. That's the type of coach, Coach Chizik is. Don't fucking tell me what I know and don't know.
All you are doing is making more assumptions, you can think all you want. You still don't know shit.
Booooom Rivals fanboi.
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The only thing I know from the limited times I've watched practice, is that Chizik is extremely involved in the actual practices. How much or how little he has as far as influence over what the OC and DC are doing, I have zero clue. Anyone who has been to Chizik's version of a spring game and seen how he stands behind the play and coaches in between plays...that's similar to how he is in practice, except a hell of a lot more vocal.
From the outside looking in, I still can't bring myself to believe he interferes that much in the schemes or overall philosophies of Loeffler or Von Goiter. I tend to think he does a good bit of in-game direction, as in seeing what the opposing D is doing and telling Loeffler to try this or that, or maybe telling BVG he wants to bring the heat this time. But IMO, I think he lets them coach and is going to sink or swim with who he hires. But, the last time Gene Chizik and I had a conversation about it was....oh....let's see.....
One quick note. Several years back, FSU was playing and they had Bobby Bowden mic'd up for the game. Pretty cool to listen to. On one series, he told his OC something about how the DB's were playing and it would be a good time to go deep. Next play....BAM...fly pattern for 6. That's more along the lines of what I would think Chizik does.
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The only thing I know from the limited times I've watched practice, is that Chizik is extremely involved in the actual practices. How much or how little he has as far as influence over what the OC and DC are doing, I have zero clue. Anyone who has been to Chizik's version of a spring game and seen how he stands behind the play and coaches in between plays...that's similar to how he is in practice, except a hell of a lot more vocal.
From the outside looking in, I still can't bring myself to believe he interferes that much in the schemes or overall philosophies of Loeffler or Von Goiter. I tend to think he does a good bit of in-game direction, as in seeing what the opposing D is doing and telling Loeffler to try this or that, or maybe telling BVG he wants to bring the heat this time. But IMO, I think he lets them coach and is going to sink or swim with who he hires. But, the last time Gene Chizik and I had a conversation about it was....oh....let's see.....
One quick note. Several years back, FSU was playing and they had Bobby Bowden mic'd up for the game. Pretty cool to listen to. On one series, he told his OC something about how the DB's were playing and it would be a good time to go deep. Next play....BAM...fly pattern for 6. That's more along the lines of what I would think Chizik does.
Oh I agree with you, and I actually do agree that Chizik is probably pretty hands off when it comes to letting his assistants coach. I am just tired of Zombie Prowler acting like he knows all the inner-workings of the Auburn Football program.
Shhhhh I think my Chizik phone is ringing.
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On one series, he told his OC something about how the DB's were playing and it would be a good time to go deep. Next play....BAM...fly pattern for 6. That's more along the lines of what I would think Chizik does.
Without the positive outcome, of course
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Without the positive outcome, of course
:thumsup: As soon as I typed that, I thought..."Wait for it.."
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The only thing I know from the limited times I've watched practice, is that Chizik is extremely involved in the actual practices. How much or how little he has as far as influence over what the OC and DC are doing, I have zero clue. Anyone who has been to Chizik's version of a spring game and seen how he stands behind the play and coaches in between plays...that's similar to how he is in practice, except a hell of a lot more vocal.
From the outside looking in, I still can't bring myself to believe he interferes that much in the schemes or overall philosophies of Loeffler or Von Goiter. I tend to think he does a good bit of in-game direction, as in seeing what the opposing D is doing and telling Loeffler to try this or that, or maybe telling BVG he wants to bring the heat this time. But IMO, I think he lets them coach and is going to sink or swim with who he hires. But, the last time Gene Chizik and I had a conversation about it was....oh....let's see.....
One quick note. Several years back, FSU was playing and they had Bobby Bowden mic'd up for the game. Pretty cool to listen to. On one series, he told his OC something about how the DB's were playing and it would be a good time to go deep. Next play....BAM...fly pattern for 6. That's more along the lines of what I would think Chizik does.
Generally speaking, I'm pretty sure you're right. He hires guys that he doesn't have to micromanage, and that mirror his philosophy. That said, any good CEO will take the reigns from an underling if need be. I'm virtually certain he did that last year with Malzahn. He didn't take complete control, but he dictated that he needed to slow it down to help the defense. You know what we were supposed to get with BVG. Not there yet. Hired Loeffler, IMHO, because he could tell him to implement a "run first, multiple, pro style offense", and that Loeffler had the knowledge and experience base to do so. You can bet Chiz is all up in the game plan too, but not from a micromanaging standpoint.
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Oh I agree with you, and I actually do agree that Chizik is probably pretty hands off when it comes to letting his assistants coach. I am just tired of Zombie Prowler acting like he knows all the inner-workings of the Auburn Football program.
Shhhhh I think my Chizik phone is ringing.
So, you did agree with my post about Coach Chizik, but you felt the need to make an dumbass post telling me that I'm talking out of my ass and I don't know shit...when in reality, I do know what the fuck I'm talking about and you just proved it.
Do you and Wench share the high horse or do y'all each have one?
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So, you did agree with my post about Coach Chizik, but you felt the need to make an dumbass post telling me that I'm talking out of my ass and I don't know shit...when in reality, I do know what the fuck I'm talking about and you just proved it.
Do you and Wench share the high horse or do y'all each have one?
You pretty much nailed it right there.
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So, you did agree with my post about Coach Chizik, but you felt the need to make an dumbass post telling me that I'm talking out of my ass and I don't know shit...when in reality, I do know what the fuck I'm talking about and you just proved it.
Do you and Wench share the high horse or do y'all each have one?
See this where you don't see a difference..you state everything as fact as if you knew the inner workings of Auburn's Athletic Department. It's not fact, it is your opinion.
It is fine to have an opinion Prowler, but to say with absolute certainty that this is how Chizik does things is moronic. That is why I said you were talking out of your ass.
As far as proving anything, what I said doesn't prove you know anything. I said I do agree that you are probably correct. However, I don't nor have I ever said I know the inner workings of the football team, so while this appears to be the case...he could also be the biggest micromanager this side of saban who the fuck knows. Again you always state everything as fact.
As for horses, I don't care for them, they make too big of a mess.
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an dumbass?
Don't be an butthole
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See this where you don't see a difference..you state everything as fact as if you knew the inner workings of Auburn's Athletic Department. You state everything as fact. Its not fact, it is your opinion.
It is fine to have an opinion Prowler, but to say with absolute certainty that this is how Chizik does things is moronic. That is why I said you were talking out of your ass.
As far as proving anything, what I said doesn't prove you know anything. I said I do agree that you are probably correct. However, I don't nor have I ever said I know the inner workings of the football team, so while this appears to be the case...he could also be the biggest micromanager this side of saban who the fuck knows. Again you always state everything as fact.
As for horses, I don't care for them, they make too big of a mess.
See what happens when you ASSume shit? You make an (ass) out of (you)rself with a certain post, then someone has to come around and point it out to everyone (me).
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See what happens when you ASSume shit? You make an (ass) out of (you)rself with a certain post, then someone has to come around and point it out to everyone (me).
I give up, if you don't see the fucking difference you are an idiot. Your post above doesn't even make any sense btw.
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Why Axl Rose ever left Gun N Roses I have no idea.
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Why Axl Rose ever left Gun N Roses I have no idea.
He didn't have enough patience.
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He didn't have enough patience.
#winning
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He didn't have enough patience.
Yeeeahh yeeeah
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I give up, if you don't see the fucking difference you are an idiot. Your post above doesn't even make any sense btw.
Quiter!!!
I see that I made a statement, which you agreed with, but since I didn't put, IMO/this is what I think/I feel/whatever in the post, you automatically jump to the conclusion that I'm stating I know all the inner working of the Auburn Athletic Department. Also, who the fuck stated anything about knowing the inner workings of the Ath. Dept.? I never said that I knew the inner workings of anything. Are you going to keep Assuming shit after every post I make, dissecting every post to find irregularities in it?
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Quiter!!!
I see that I made a statement, which you agreed with, but since I didn't put, IMO/this is what I think/I feel/whatever in the post, you automatically jump to the conclusion that I'm stating I know all the inner working of the Auburn Athletic Department. Also, who the fuck stated anything about knowing the inner workings of the Ath. Dept.? I never said that I knew the inner workings of anything. Are you going to keep Assuming shit after every post I make, dissecting every post to find irregularities in it?
For fucks sake, you might actually be worse than Birmingham....
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I was irregular this morning but I put a couple of spoon fulls of Metamusil on my Post Grape Nuts and got it all worked out.
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I was irregular this morning but I put a couple of spoon fulls of Metamusil on my Post Grape Nuts and got it all worked out.
PFFFFTTTTTT.......coffe is the way to go man.
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PFFFFTTTTTT.......coffe is the way to go man.
Coffee is good too. I'm talking about getting the plumbing going, not something to pick me up after a massive hangover. Just.....sayin'......
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Coffee is good too. I'm talking about getting the plumbing going, not something to pick me up after a massive hangover. Just.....sayin'......
Stomach mad at you for all the alcohol you consumed the night before? That biscuit not helping? Do you feel tired and lethargic? Try coffee! Get the best of both worlds.
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I think I'm gonna go over to Target and see if they got any of those Candy Corn Flavored Oreos.
(http://cdn.foodbeast.com.s3.amazonaws.com/content/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/candy-corn-package.jpg)
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I think I'm gonna go over to Target and see if they got any of those Candy Corn Flavored Oreos.
(http://cdn.foodbeast.com.s3.amazonaws.com/content/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/candy-corn-package.jpg)
That looks fucking disgusting
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Coffee is good too. I'm talking about getting the plumbing going, not something to pick me up after a massive hangover. Just.....sayin'......
a pinch of fine cut in the early morning...gets the sphincter quivering.
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a pinch of fine cut in the early morning...gets the sphincter quivering.
Long cut, works every morning.
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Long cut, works every morning.
long cut...pfffft.
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Quiter!!!
I see that I made a statement, which you agreed with, but since I didn't put, IMO/this is what I think/I feel/whatever in the post, you automatically jump to the conclusion that I'm stating I know all the inner working of the Auburn Athletic Department. Also, who the fuck stated anything about knowing the inner workings of the Ath. Dept.? I never said that I knew the inner workings of anything. Are you going to keep Assuming shit after every post I make, dissecting every post to find irregularities in it?
You're a dumb ass...
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I was irregular this morning but I put a couple of spoon fulls of Metamusil on my Post Grape Nuts and got it all worked out.
What's the deal with Grape Nuts cereal? I open the box, there's no grapes and no nuts. I mean what's the deal?
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What's the deal with Grape Nuts cereal? I open the box, there's no grapes and no nuts. I mean what's the deal?
:gold:
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a pinch of fine cut in the early morning...gets the sphincter quivering.
Yes, very much so, but only Copenhagen.
Long cut, works every morning.
long cut...pfffft.
Double pffffft. Bunch of rookies.
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You're a dumb ass...
You're a fucking retard.
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That looks fucking disgusting
Candy corn, it's neither.
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Yes, very much so, but only Copenhagen.
Double pffffft. Bunch of rookies.
Rookie I think not, 17 + years of skoal straight long cut. That's where it's at, ya'll just don't know. Something I wish I never picked up tho.
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Candy corn, it's neither.
I disagree, never have liked that stuff.
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Coffee is good too. I'm talking about getting the plumbing going, not something to pick me up after a massive hangover. Just.....sayin'......
Good, hot, black coffee in the a.m. gets the plumbing going.
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Good, hot, black coffee in the a.m. gets the plumbing going.
So does a line of cocaine.
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Rookie I think not, 17 + years of skoal straight long cut. That's where it's at, ya'll just don't know. Something I wish I never picked up tho.
Copenhagen Snuff. I tried Skoal Finecut Wintergreen once.............
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So does a line of cocaine.
It's a helluva drug!
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Rookie I think not, 17 + years of skoal straight long cut. That's where it's at, ya'll just don't know. Something I wish I never picked up tho.
20+ years for me and yes I wish that I never started. I've gone from Kodiak Wintergreen to Skoal wintergreen to Copenhagen fine cut now I'm on to Redman straight & Skoal straight (Redman straight tastes like Skoal straight, Redman wintergreen tastes like Kodiak wintergreen & Redman original tastes like Copenhagen snuff)
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20+ years for me and yes I wish that I never started. I've gone from Kodiak Wintergreen to Skoal wintergreen to Copenhagen fine cut now I'm on to Redman straight & Skoal straight (Redman straight tastes like Skoal straight, Redman wintergreen tastes like Kodiak wintergreen & Redman original tastes like Copenhagen snuff)
What's the price on that redman straight. Why did you switch from skoal to redman? I've tried almost all of them Copenhagen, Hawkins, timber wolf, red seal always go back to skoal. Shit gets expensive when you go through a can a day.
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What's the price on that redman straight. Why did you switch from skoal to redman? I've tried almost all of them Copenhagen, Hawkins, timber wolf, red seal always go back to skoal. Shit gets expensive when you go through a can a day.
About $2.50 a can (that's why I switched, never liked timber wolf or red seal).
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Still on Copenhagen. Tried the Red Man once. Taste was the same but didn't go as far.
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Still on Copenhagen. Tried the Red Man once. Taste was the same but didn't go as far.
Yeah, I only like the Redman straight (since I usually keep my dip in for a couple hours at a time), and the straight keeps its flavor.
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You hillbillies and your spit tobacco. Don't y'all know that shit will rot your teefs?
I went to hang out in Odenville one time back when I was in high school. There was this fine ass chick that my cousin went to school with that he wanted me to meet. I get to the Piggly Wiggly parking lot at the intersection of highway 411 and 174 (that's where shit went down in Odenville), found my cousin, and waited on this girl to show up. She gets there and we start chatting it up, and I came to the realization that she was worthy of some funky cold medina. Right about the time I was going to throw down some of my "A game" material on her, she whips out a can of Skoal - the old school kind, cardboard container with the metal lid - does the side grip wrist snap packing motion, and then puts a gigantic dip between her cheek and gum that would have made Dandy Don Meredith envious. Grossed me the hell out. There was no way, no way in hell, that a chick who could fill out a pair of Levi's like her should be putting shit like that in her mouth.
I walked back over to my cousin and called him an asshole. He said, "What's wrong with that? Most of the girls up here dip". I responded that I wasn't a picky kind of fellow, but I didn't want snuff stains on the side of my pecker. He laughed and called me a city boy.
Needless to say, I never went back looking for love in Odenville.
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You hillbillies and your spit tobacco. Don't y'all know that shit will rot your teefs?
I went to hang out in Odenville one time back when I was in high school. There was this fine ass chick that my cousin went to school with that he wanted me to meet. I get to the Piggly Wiggly parking lot at the intersection of highway 411 and 174 (that's where shit went down in Odenville), found my cousin, and waited on this girl to show up. She gets there and we start chatting it up, and I came to the realization that she was worthy of some funky cold medina. Right about the time I was going to throw down some of my "A game" material on her, she whips out a can of Skoal - the old school kind, cardboard container with the metal lid - does the side grip wrist snap packing motion, and then puts a gigantic dip between her cheek and gum that would have made Dandy Don Meredith envious. Grossed me the hell out. There was no way, no way in hell, that a chick who could fill out a pair of Levi's like her should be putting shit like that in her mouth.
I walked back over to my cousin and called him an asshole. He said, "What's wrong with that? Most of the girls up here dip". I responded that I wasn't a picky kind of fellow, but I didn't want snuff stains on the side of my pecker. He laughed and called me a city boy.
Needless to say, I never went back looking for love in Odenville.
Lookin fer love in all the wrong places bubba
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Lookin fer love in all the wrong places bubba
It could have been worse, I suppose. She could have whipped out a plug of Bloodhound.
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It could have been worse, I suppose. She could have whipped out a plug of Bloodhound.
Or her penis.
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Or her penis.
So we are saying that's a bad thing, right?
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So we are saying that's a bad thing, right?
Depends on the kind of tobbaco she's dipping.
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You hillbillies and your spit tobacco. Don't y'all know that shit will rot your teefs?
I went to hang out in Odenville one time back when I was in high school. There was this fine ass chick that my cousin went to school with that he wanted me to meet. I get to the Piggly Wiggly parking lot at the intersection of highway 411 and 174 (that's where shit went down in Odenville), found my cousin, and waited on this girl to show up. She gets there and we start chatting it up, and I came to the realization that she was worthy of some funky cold medina. Right about the time I was going to throw down some of my "A game" material on her, she whips out a can of Skoal - the old school kind, cardboard container with the metal lid - does the side grip wrist snap packing motion, and then puts a gigantic dip between her cheek and gum that would have made Dandy Don Meredith envious. Grossed me the hell out. There was no way, no way in hell, that a chick who could fill out a pair of Levi's like her should be putting shit like that in her mouth.
I walked back over to my cousin and called him an asshole. He said, "What's wrong with that? Most of the girls up here dip". I responded that I wasn't a picky kind of fellow, but I didn't want snuff stains on the side of my pecker. He laughed and called me a city boy.
Needless to say, I never went back looking for love in Odenville.
Uh what was the problem? If she'd put a dip in her mouth you know she'd also put a cock in it too. Nobody said marry her just tap that ass.
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Not true PCT...you and I will raff our asses off when they all look like this.
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If she'd put a dip in her mouth you know she'd also put a cock in it too.
The redneck corollary to the first law of female dynamics:
If she smokes, she'll fuck.
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So we are saying that's a bad thing, right?
You loved it, you were crying saying how special it was. She had to slow down so she didn't drop her load too quick.
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I've never understood what the big draw to dip is. To each his own, but I would never put that shit in my mouth.
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I've never understood what the big draw to dip is. To each his own, but I would never put that shit in my mouth.
You prefer goatpenis
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I've never understood what the big draw to dip is. To each his own, but I would never put that shit in my mouth.
Riiiight. This coming from the one who likes to dip his stick in a goats chocolate.
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Dipped Skoal all through college. Switched to Levi Garrett for a couple of years afterward and then quit. When I started law school, I was commuting from Dothan to Montgomery after work and was putting in 4 hours of driving 3-4 nights a week. Thought it would be a good idea (Yeah right) to start back up so I'd have something to keep me alert on the drive. Stopped one night and picked up some Skoal. 15 minutes later, I was outside my truck on the side of the road, puking like a frat boy during rush.
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puking like a frat boy during rush. New Kid on the Block with a belly full of spunk.
Mo ackrit.
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You loved it, you were crying saying how special it was. She had to slow down so she didn't drop her load too quick.
Theres a reason they don't call it Bangmommy part.
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Theres a reason they don't call it Bangmommy part.
Maybe you don't.
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Dipped Skoal all through college. Switched to Levi Garrett for a couple of years afterward and then quit. When I started law school, I was commuting from Dothan to Montgomery after work and was putting in 4 hours of driving 3-4 nights a week. Thought it would be a good idea (Yeah right) to start back up so I'd have something to keep me alert on the drive. Stopped one night and picked up some Skoal. 15 minutes later, I was outside my truck on the side of the road, puking like a frat boy during rush.
Was it because of the Skoal, or merely a side effect of having pregnant tonsils?
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I've never understood what the big draw to dip is. To each his own, but I would never put that shit in my mouth.
Again it's something I wish I never started, but it started when I was 15. Had an older brother that left his can laying around. At that age you try everything, smoking drinking etc. I use to switch back and forth from smoking to dipping, mainly dipped during football season and smoked when we were out for football. Been able to quit smoking, I've only quit dipping once in college. The summer before my senior year I quit. I had always said that I would quit when I grew up to me that was getting out of college. I had quit for 2-3 months then one of my best friends (Ogre) came back from summer break and that fucker had picked it up. I bummed a dip from him one night and was right back on the wagon. It has been so long now that it is just a habit, anytime I'm in the car longer than 15 minutes, doing any kind of manual labor or relaxing in the recliner. I keep thinking that I will quit but the want to is just not there.
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I started dipping four years ago to quit smoking. I don't hear any shit about second hand spit, so I'm pretty happy.
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I started dipping four years ago to quit smoking. I don't hear any shit about second hand spit, so I'm pretty happy.
I will give you a ration of shit. Seeing anyone spit makes me physically ill to the point of having to fight to keep from throwing up.
True story = I had to give a presentation last year to some of our field guys, as in, guys from OK and west TX who turn wrenches for a living with greasy fingernails. I walked to the front of the room of about 40 people and faced them to begin speaking, only realized that all but about 8 of them had a spit cup in front of them, including the one female mechanic.
They say you are supposed to make eye contact with your audience as you speak, but that was not going to happen in this world or any other. I gagged once when I realized what was going on (hell, I gagged just now thinking about it...), and thought "There is no fucking way I can get through this speech without literally puking on that guy's steel toed boots..." But then I saw a fire sprinkler on the ceiling near where it met the back wall, and gave that fire sprinkler the best training in the world about our warranty obligations to our customers.
So yeah - second hand spit is nasty, unhygenic and makes me want to puke.
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I will give you a ration of shit. Seeing anyone spit makes me physically ill to the point of having to fight to keep from throwing up.
True story = I had to give a presentation last year to some of our field guys, as in, guys from OK and west TX who turn wrenches for a living with greasy fingernails. I walked to the front of the room of about 40 people and faced them to begin speaking, only realized that all but about 8 of them had a spit cup in front of them, including the one female mechanic.
They say you are supposed to make eye contact with your audience as you speak, but that was not going to happen in this world or any other. I gagged once when I realized what was going on (hell, I gagged just now thinking about it...), and thought "There is no fucking way I can get through this speech without literally puking on that guy's steel toed boots..." But then I saw a fire sprinkler on the ceiling near where it met the back wall, and gave that fire sprinkler the best training in the world about our warranty obligations to our customers.
So yeah - second hand spit is nasty, unhygenic and makes me want to puke.
You like to swallow. Got it.
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I'm seriously thinking about quiting, something that I've been thinking about for a while....starting today. Should be an interesting couple of weeks.
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I'm seriously thinking about quiting, something that I've been thinking about for a while....starting today. Should be an interesting couple of weeks.
Just have some patience with it.
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Just have some patience with it.
Does he have that virtue?
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Smoked for a long while. Easy to quit. Just put them down.
Chewed red man after my HS coach gave me a wad in the dugout when I was a freshman. Never dipped but chewed like a sonofabitch.
Best was to mix bubble gum with it.
Chewed when I played baseball and softball. Chewed when I played golf. Chewed when I drove anywhere. Chewed at my desk. Chewed when I worked in the yard. Chewed at night when the kids were in bed. Went to sleep with a chew in and woke up the next morning to start over.
Could not put it down. Quit numerous times after the wife freaked out at finding two liter bottles completely filled with spit. One chew and it would start up again. Would fight with it for months.
Finally quit for good about six years ago. Had a benign tumor cut out of my neck this year. Will never chew or smoke again. At least not cigarettes or cigars.
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Never started-never will Smoking or chewing.
I have to laugh at people here as laws now have no smoking within 25' of front doors to buildings and some work campuses and banned it from the entire campus. In the dead of summer when it’s 105 and people are outside breathing fire into their lungs or when it’s below 30 and they have to make that trip to the sidewalk to get there fix.
And I agree with wench spit cups-cans or whatever is just as nasty when left lying around or a big chunk of chew with spit in the garage can as second hand smoke.
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A girl I was dating had a mother who smoked. The family had given her shit about it for years and she'd only go outside to fire one up. One day, it was cold as a witch's titty and I was over at her house. They had a wood burning stove as a heater/fireplace and since it was too cold to go stand outside, she was all hunched over with her face literally in the side of the thing, puffing and blowing the smoke in there. She looks up and catches me staring at her in amazement. I said, "Are you really enjoying that?"
She quit right after that.
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A girl I was dating had a mother who smoked. The family had given her shit about it for years and she'd only go outside to fire one up. One day, it was cold as a witch's titty and I was over at her house. They had a wood burning stove as a heater/fireplace and since it was too cold to go stand outside, she was all hunched over with her face literally in the side of the thing, puffing and blowing the smoke in there. She looks up and catches me staring at her in amazement. I said, "Are you really enjoying that?"
She quit right after that.
On a flight back from Dublin Ireland they caught a guy smoking in the bathroom, what I found out is they smoke into the commode and hold the little flab open to blow the smoke down into the blue water. Well some must not have made it cause it set off the smoke detector in the bathroom and when he came out the flight attendant was waiting on him and when we landed in New York so were the local airport cops.
The upside-He was first off the plane.
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A girl I was dating had a mother who smoked. The family had given her shit about it for years and she'd only go outside to fire one up. One day, it was cold as a witch's titty and I was over at her house. They had a wood burning stove as a heater/fireplace and since it was too cold to go stand outside, she was all hunched over with her face literally in the side of the thing, puffing and blowing the smoke in there. She looks up and catches me staring at her in amazement. I said, "Are you really enjoying that?"
She quit right after that.
Wow - you really do care
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Wow - you really do care
It says it on the sign
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I'm actually really surprised on how many of you cats dip or have dipped tobacco. You can add me to that list of who still has this disgusting habit. My little girls actually calls it doo doo when they see it. At one time I was a smoker; 18-19 yrs old. Due to all the running and constant night training when I was in
the service, that changed to dipping. For those that are curious, you're not allowed to smoke at night
if you are in training exercises, or play war as some may call it.
This is the year I quit because I really am tired of it and of course as I get older I am more concerned
about the health issue it can cause.
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It says it on the sign
He even made sure the name of his partner had Care in it.
DEDICATION...some of you fuckers could learn a thing or two.
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I'm actually really surprised on how many of you cats dip or have dipped tobacco. You can add me to that list of who still has this disgusting habit. My little girls actually calls it doo doo when they see it. At one time I was a smoker; 18-19 yrs old. Due to all the running and constant night training when I was in
the service, that changed to dipping. For those that are curious, you're not allowed to smoke at night
if you are in training exercises, or play war as some may call it.
This is the year I quit because I really am tired of it and of course as I get older I am more concerned
about the health issue it can cause.
Nonsense...you will look so much slimmer.
(http://whyquit.com/whyquit/Gruen2.jpg)
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I'm actually really surprised on how many of you cats dip or have dipped tobacco. You can add me to that list of who still has this disgusting habit. My little girls actually calls it doo doo when they see it. At one time I was a smoker; 18-19 yrs old. Due to all the running and constant night training when I was in
the service, that changed to dipping. For those that are curious, you're not allowed to smoke at night
if you are in training exercises, or play war as some may call it.
This is the year I quit because I really am tired of it and of course as I get older I am more concerned
about the health issue it can cause.
It always amazed me to see guys come off a long run 10 or 12 miles and the first thing they do after we get released out of formation was go fire up. You could also tell who the smokers were in units because of night movements they were heavy dippers. The unit I was in when I was in the 101st try to ban dipping as you could really smell the stuff when you were out in the boonies and if you need medical attention (mouth to mouth) you shit was up a creek.
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Nonsense...you will look so much slimmer.
(http://whyquit.com/whyquit/Gruen2.jpg)
Damn man.
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It always amazed me to see guys come off a long run 10 or 12 miles and the first thing they do after we get released out of formation was go fire up. You could also tell who the smokers were in units because of night movements they were heavy dippers. The unit I was in when I was in the 101st try to ban dipping as you could really smell the stuff when you were out in the boonies and if you need medical attention (mouth to mouth) you shit was up a creek.
I was also 101st. No dipping was never enforced unless you were in Air Assault or Airborne training.
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I was also 101st. No dipping was never enforced unless you were in Air Assault or Airborne training.
I was only there about 14 months 2nd/187th, it was one of those things that somebody came up with to justify his job as S-2 or HQ or some desk LT. I don't think it was ever post wide.
Ever visit Cat West club?
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Ever visit Cat West club?
Do you like movies about gladiators?
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I haven't picked up a cigarette since I was 16. I remember I was driving with my brother out to get fireworks one summer and I was smoking because I thought I was cool. I happened to look down at the filter and noticed that the once white filter was brown. I grabbed a white shirt...I remember it was an old Michael Jordan shirt...out of the back of my car, took a puff, and then blew it into the shirt. There was a dark brown stain on the shirt where I blew out. I flicked my cigarette out the window, took my brothers cigarette out of his mouth and threw it out the window, and threw the rest of the pack out the window. That shirt was washed several times but that brown stain stayed there. Anytime anyone offered me a cigarette I thought of that brown staid and never had any desire.
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I haven't picked up a cigarette since I was 16. I remember I was driving with my brother out to get fireworks one summer and I was smoking because I thought I was cool. I happened to look down at the filter and noticed that the once white filter was brown. I grabbed a white shirt...I remember it was an old Michael Jordan shirt...out of the back of my car, took a puff, and then blew it into the shirt. There was a dark brown stain on the shirt where I blew out. I flicked my cigarette out the window, took my brothers cigarette out of his mouth and threw it out the window, and threw the rest of the pack out the window. That shirt was washed several times but that brown stain stayed there. Anytime anyone offered me a cigarette I thought of that brown staid and never had any desire.
cool advice, bro
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Ever seen a grown man naked?
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Ever visit Cat West club?
Not that I recall. Most of the clubs outside post were dumps and most of the civilians in Clarksville didn't like the soldiers a whole lot. If you went to joint in town, you were bound to see a fight in which said
civilian usually got their asses kicked...badly. I would typically go to Nashville. Can't remember the name, but there was this 5 level club downtown we'd go to.
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cool advice, bro
You have been waiting a long time to do that to me huh?
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You have been waiting a long time to do that to me huh?
He's had that sticky note on his monitor for a while now.
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He's had that sticky note on his monitor for a while now.
That is not how he saw that ending.
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IIIII'm about to whip somebody's ass.
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IIIII'm about to whip somebody's ass.
You and that kinky shit.
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Do you like movies about gladiators?
Depends on whos in it and the rating.
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Roger-Over.
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Victor, what's our vector?
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Not that I recall. Most of the clubs outside post were dumps and most of the civilians in Clarksville didn't like the soldiers a whole lot. If you went to joint in town, you were bound to see a fight in which said
civilian usually got their asses kicked...badly. I would typically go to Nashville. Can't remember the name, but there was this 5 level club downtown we'd go to.
The clubs were- I just mentioned that cause I drove by it every day (lived in Oak grove) right off of 41A-We use to go to Nashville to watch the Sounds and (forgot their triple club). Also went to watch Auburn play Vandy one year-Was on RDF alert (2 hour recall if I member) and at the end of every Qtr had to run home and call the answering Machine. (Cell phones had not made it to this area yet). Also use to go out to Amish country and get their bread and Cinnamon rolls.
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The dude looks like a young Frank Beamer.
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The dude looks like a young Frank Beamer.
Well except this guy probably coaches better.