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Pat Dye Field => War Damn Eagle => Topic started by: Townhallsavoy on September 17, 2012, 03:58:18 PM
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BATON ROUGE — Any way Louisiana State can move up that game it is scheduling against Texas Christian from next September to this September?
Otherwise, this awesome conglomeration of talent at LSU does not have a game to get its juices flowing until Oct. 6 when it ventures to suddenly improved Florida.
Washington was supposed to mount a bit of a threat on Sept. 8. LSU did the Huskies' business, 41-3. Little was expected of the Idaho Vandals on Saturday, and though the Tigers gave them the alarm code in the first half and a near pick-six for old time's sake, LSU still beat the 42-point spread with a 63-14 victory.
This week No. 2 LSU (3-0) travels to Auburn University (1-2, 0-1 Southeastern Conference) for a 6 p.m. game on ESPN. College Game Day will not be there. What looked like an interesting game a month ago — as did the Washington game — now looks like another Washington game.
Auburn may have its worst team since Tommy Tuberville's fall from 13-0 in 2004 led him to 5-7 in 2008. Present Auburn coach Gene Chizik is 9-7 overall and 4-5 in the Southeastern Conference since he went 14-0 and won it all in 2010. He has apparently transplanted Iowa State, where he was 5-19 and 2-14 from 2007-08, on the Plains.
At least Tuberville was able to maintain a defense in his off years. The defense, which is Chizik's specialty, at Auburn is as hollow as the oak trees at Toomer's Corner, and no Alabama fan had anything to do with this mess. Auburn is 14th in the Southeastern Conference out of 14 teams and 107th nationally out of 120 teams in rush defense with 217 yards allowed a game. Auburn is 13th in the SEC and 94th nationally in total defense with 442 yards allowed a game.
LSU is going to be able to run to and through Toomer's Corner. Clemson gained 320 yards on the ground against Auburn in a 26-19 victory. Louisiana-Monroe made Auburn look like a Sun Belt team Saturday as it gained 165 rushing and 410 overall in a 31-28 loss in overtime. LSU could gain 300 at Auburn unless it wants to work the passing game with quarterback Zach Mettenberger to get ready for Towson on Sept. 29.
Towson? Really? This late in the season? When's TCU's open date?
LSU is as good as it was last year when it went 13-0 and 8-0 before "» you know. Auburn looks worse than it was last year when it went 8-5 and 4-4 with a 45-10 loss at LSU with the Bayou Bengals fresh off three suspensions to key players. Auburn will be lucky to keep it respectable Saturday.
Auburn is almost as bad on offense as it is on defense. It is also 14th out of 14 SEC teams and 111th in the nation in pass offense with 160 yards a game. It is 14th in the SEC and 104th nationally in scoring with 20 points a game. It is 14th in the SEC and 102nd in the nation in total offense with 336 yards a game.
Is this game going to count?
At least, the game is on the road. The Tigers need to break their routine. They were bored Saturday night.
"It has gotten kind of dull in some of the games," Mettenberger said. "But we have to finish off the win, like coach says. But this week will be good. We have to go on the road in the SEC for the first time. Auburn is a tough place to play."
The University of Louisiana at Monroe did not seem uncomfortable or distracted Saturday and should have won.
If Auburn needed a flea-flicker, a Hail Mary, two blocked field goals and a field goal in overtime just to squeak by UL-Monroe in OT, it's going to need a bounty scandal, two Our Fathers, 12 suspensions, replacement referees and a whole lot of industrial strength herbicide to beat LSU.
http://www.thetowntalk.com/article/20120917/SPORTS/120917001/Guilbeau-Looks-like-stroll-LSU-until-Florida-Oct-6?gcheck=1&nclick_check=1
Bulletin board material? Or the truth. The motherfucker took shots at Toomer's Oaks - one of our beloved traditions ruined by an Alabama fan - and there's not a got damn thing we can do about it.
You can't talk trash back. You can't pinpoint the areas that we could win. You can't show where the spark could come from.
All we can do is talk about how this season is building for maybe a good one next year when we have to go on the road against these teams.
I can't fucking believe this.
Even in 2008 before the Iron Bowl, I was hopeful for a victory. I thought about how Auburn had a decent defense. We had some playmakers against Georgia the week before. Alabama had lost 6 in a row and could possibly be in for a mental let down. We had gotten rid of Franklin and were trying to get back to running the football downhill.
This year? I'd be happy to be within three touchdowns when the game ends. That would impress me.
Shoot me.
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Remember when we used to be able to be happy we were the underdogs. Cause we knew they would come in and we were gonna beat them. Yeah not so much.
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WE have become Ole Miss and MSU.
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You know what would be some fucking awesome football? A Tuberville AU team against a Saban Alabama team. I don't give a shit if Alabama lost half of them in the process. That would be some badass football. That's what rivalries SHOULD be. Such a good game that you're just glad it's over so you can breathe again, win, lose, or draw. Not all of this venomous shit going on nowadays.
Just thinking out loud.
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WE have become Ole Miss and MSU.
I'd say more like Kentucky without the basketball.
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WE have become Ole Miss and MSU.
Worst-we were good at one time. :facepalm:
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We will be good again.
Not sure what that will take, but it will happen.
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We will be good again.
Not sure what that will take, but it will happen.
No doubt....just wonder how long.
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We will be good again.
Not sure what that will take, but it will happen.
Agree wholeheartedly with your first sentence.
It's the second sentence that makes me sad. And like GF said, how long?
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How long will it take?
If the axe falls it will take one year to settle, the second year will be competitive week in and week out.
And that's the rub there. Tell me -- other than the last year of Tuberville's tenure -- when you EVER thought we were going to get donkey fucked in a game? Even though you might have expected to lose, when was the last time (and I'm talking all the way back to the 1970s) that you honestly thought we had NO chance.
We lost games. We played better teams. But I never doubted we'd be competitive.
:facepalm:
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How long will it take?
If the axe falls it will take one year to settle, the second year will be competitive week in and week out.
And that's the rub there. Tell me -- other than the last year of Tuberville's tenure -- when you EVER thought we were going to get donkey fucked in a game? Even though you might have expected to lose, when was the last time (and I'm talking all the way back to the 1970s) that you honestly thought we had NO chance.
We lost games. We played better teams. But I never doubted we'd be competitive.
:facepalm:
Just watch this Sat-It will be a donkey-taint punch the likes we have not seen for awhile.
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How long will it take?
If the axe falls it will take one year to settle, the second year will be competitive week in and week out.
And that's the rub there. Tell me -- other than the last year of Tuberville's tenure -- when you EVER thought we were going to get donkey fucked in a game? Even though you might have expected to lose, when was the last time (and I'm talking all the way back to the 1970s) that you honestly thought we had NO chance.
We lost games. We played better teams. But I never doubted we'd be competitive.
:facepalm:
That is what I meant in the above. We always thought we had a chance, look at the teams that came in ranked above us and we beat. UF at least twice.
How about rankings in general, this has got to be the longest period since Bowden -Tubs (1st year) that we have been unranked. I don't count the pre-season ranking we had.
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That is what I meant in the above. We always thought we had a chance, look at the teams that came in ranked above us and we beat. UF at least twice.
How about rankings in general, this has got to be the longest period since Bowden -Tubs (1st year) that we have been unranked. I don't count the pre-season ranking we had.
If we're being honest, I truly thought we had no prayer against UF in 2001.
Almost forgot: doubly so for the bama game in '02.
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Tell me -- other than the last year of Tuberville's tenure -- when you EVER thought we were going to get donkey fucked in a game?
In in 1998, we had a good D. We lost to the eventual national champions by 8, and had the ball inside their 10 when time ran out.
The only game that year that I remember getting plastered was UGA. Hell, against Shawn Alexander, we had the lead in the second half.
I'd have to go back to 1992, and the Iron Bowl, when I last expected us to get the hell beat out of us... and it was 0-0 at halftime.
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And that's the rub there. Tell me -- other than the last year of Tuberville's tenure -- when you EVER thought we were going to get donkey fucked in a game? Even though you might have expected to lose, when was the last time (and I'm talking all the way back to the 1970s) that you honestly thought we had NO chance.
See, that's the worst part about all of this to me. I am SUCH a homer that I NEVER feel like we have no chance. I always think that some way, somehow, Auburn can pull it out, because we are better people, a better fan base, whatever sunshine pumping prayer I can come up with. I am an "All the way to the fat lady singing" kind of fan. 45 seconds left, down by two touchdowns? IT COULD HAPPEN!!!1!11!
But for the first time in my life, I honestly do not feel this way. And I am lost.
If they leave the field bruised and bloodied after getting the shit kicked out of them. I stand up and applaud. There should be no clean uniforms on Saturdays. All I ask is that they leave it all out there. God knows the 1970s teams did that. BE COMPETITIVE. LEARN FROM YOUR MISTAKES AND DO BETTER NEXT TIME.
But they aren't doing that. And I find myself wishing I wasn't even coming home for the game. This, from a woman who has sat in freaking LSu Tiger Stadium and watched loss after loss every other year for the last 10 years. But every year I go, because... you just never know...
This year? I know.
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I'm usually the optimistic type but even the most sunshine pumping out of a unicorns penith can
blind me to see the current state of Auburn football. Honestly, I do like Chizik but not even close
to how I feel about Auburn football. Whats even worse is that I am actually hoping that we have one
of the worse seasons in AU history in order to find a new HC. :facepalm:
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Whats even worse than that, I'm gonna have to change my sig. Priorities and shit.
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Right now, I truly believe that LSU could have their offense sit this one out - just repeatedly give us the ball at our 25 - and beat us by playing defense the entire game. They'd probably still cover the spread, too.
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Have to agree with everyone, I use to try not to talk shit before a game as to not jinx the game. Now I just can't talk shit without looking like a dumbass. That feeling we all had when we were the underdog stemmed from us having a great defense. You knew anything could happen, one big hit forcing a fumble, pick six, or a punt block. Now nothing I know I won't see a big hit at least not from our defense, can only hope that we can stop a couple of drives.
To be honest I'd take Tubbs back tomorrow.
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To be honest I'd take Tubbs back tomorrow.
I wouldn't his time was done, he knew it.
Wench, I am with you. What's worse is I haven't been to Auburn in 2 years, and still have no interest in going to the game. Of course I will be there decked all in Orange and blue screaming through the first 3rd down.
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Got to agree. I was with Fl and Tenn grads watching their game Saturday night. I told both of them be glad you don't play AU this year. Looked at me like I was crazy.
Of course I added I would hate for them to get a player hurt and ruin their chances. No confidence at all.
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I'm calling it now. UPSET!
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I'm calling it now. UPSET!
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<snicker>
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I wouldn't his time was done, he knew it.
That's true, but he'd still be better than what we have now.
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That's true, but he'd still be better than what we have now.
And I think he would rethink his offensive coaching personnel.
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That's true, but he'd still be better than what we have now.
Good bet we'd have something resembling a defense.
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How long will it take?
If the axe falls it will take one year to settle, the second year will be competitive week in and week out.
And that's the rub there. Tell me -- other than the last year of Tuberville's tenure -- when you EVER thought we were going to get donkey fudgeed in a game? Even though you might have expected to lose, when was the last time (and I'm talking all the way back to the 1970s) that you honestly thought we had NO chance.
We lost games. We played better teams. But I never doubted we'd be competitive.
:facepalm:
My senior year at Auburn playing defending champ Tennessee in Knoxville. They had Jamaal Lewis, Travis Henry, and Tee Martin. We had former WR Clifton Robinson and Rusty Williams playing running back. Though the D was still top notch, I think everybody knew we didn't stand a chance. I had a class with Jimmy Brumbaugh, he looked like he had been physically assaulted the next Monday in class. Ended up losing 24-0, Leard threw 3 int's to Deon Grant.
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My senior year at Auburn playing defending champ Tennessee in Knoxville. They had Jamaal Lewis, Travis Henry, and Tee Martin. We had former WR Clifton Robinson and Rusty Williams playing running back. Though the D was still top notch, I think everybody knew we didn't stand a chance. I had a class with Jimmy Brumbaugh, he looked like he had been physically assaulted the next Monday in class. Ended up losing 24-0, Leard threw 3 int's to Deon Grant.
The film of that game is on this board somewhere.
Leard didn't throw the picks. Jeff Klein did. Leard had been grounded by an injury at Ole Miss the week before.
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My senior year at Auburn playing defending champ Tennessee in Knoxville. They had Jamaal Lewis, Travis Henry, and Tee Martin. We had former WR Clifton Robinson and Rusty Williams playing running back. Though the D was still top notch, I think everybody knew we didn't stand a chance. I had a class with Jimmy Brumbaugh, he looked like he had been physically assaulted the next Monday in class. Ended up losing 24-0, Leard threw 3 int's to Deon Grant.
Same here. Was at that one. As bad as we were, it wasn't a runaway until the end. Seeing what Tenn had, it was amazing we kept it that close.
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The film of that game is on this board somewhere.
Leard didn't throw the picks. Jeff Klein did. Leard had been grounded by an injury at Ole Miss the week before.
Klein, Leard, is there really a difference?
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Klein, Leard, is there really a difference?
By his senior year, Ben Leard was a pretty good college QB.
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By his senior year, Ben Leard was a pretty good college QB.
Actually by the end of that season he lit up UGA for 400+yds.
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Actually by the end of that season he lit up UGA for 400+yds.
I was going to add that Ronnie Daniels just scored another touchdown.
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How long will it take?
If the axe falls it will take one year to settle, the second year will be competitive week in and week out.
And that's the rub there. Tell me -- other than the last year of Tuberville's tenure -- when you EVER thought we were going to get donkey fucked in a game? Even though you might have expected to lose, when was the last time (and I'm talking all the way back to the 1970s) that you honestly thought we had NO chance.
We lost games. We played better teams. But I never doubted we'd be competitive.
:facepalm:
The last time I saw a team this hapless overall, was 1998. Then we knew...it was no talent. Bowden had pissed off everybody across the state, and couldn't get any talent to come to Auburn. I'd sat in my seat on Sept. 19th and watched then #7 ranked LSU thump us. That LSU team, coached by Gerry DiNardo, went 4-7 that year. On Oct. 3, after an off week, I remember being at the UT game in Auburn. UT was ranked #3, and Demontrey Carter broke a long run early in the game, I had hope we could pull it off vs the soon to be National Champion Vols, he was tackled inside their 20 after about a 70 yard gain...and fumbled. I slumped down in my seat, half drunk, and tears welled up in my eyes, and I got a lump in my throat. I was at my tailgate when I learned of the Bowden resignation/firing/whatever just before we went to watch Auburn play La Tech. on Oct. 24th, 1998...[suspicious]I turned 33 that day. [/suspicious]
On August 31, 2000, I watched from those same seats (7 rows above where GH sits) as Rudi Johnson ran all over Wyoming. I was in the Ga. Dome on Dec. 2, 2000 for Auburn vs Florida and the SECC. We finished the season 9-4 and SECW Champs in just the second season after a major, maybe the biggest, collapse of the program in modern times.
It takes about that long. IF, the crootin services are accurate, in rating our talent, then it could take even less time.
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The last time I saw a team this hapless overall, was 1998. Then we knew...it was no talent. Bowden had pissed off everybody across the state, and couldn't get any talent to come to Auburn. I'd sat in my seat on Sept. 19th and watched then #7 ranked LSU thump us. That LSU team, coached by Gerry DiNardo, went 4-7 that year. On Oct. 3, after an off week, I remember being at the UT game in Auburn. UT was ranked #3, and Demontrey Carter broke a long run early in the game, I had hope we could pull it off vs the soon to be National Champion Vols, he was tackled inside their 20 after about a 70 yard gain...and fumbled. I slumped down in my seat, half drunk, and tears welled up in my eyes, and I got a lump in my throat. I was at my tailgate when I learned of the Bowden resignation/firing/whatever just before we went to watch Auburn play La Tech. on Oct. 24th, 1998...I turned 33 that day.
On August 31, 2000, I watched from those same seats (7 rows above where GH sits) as Rudi Johnson ran all over Wyoming. I was in the Ga. Dome on Dec. 2, 2000 for Auburn vs Florida and the SECC. We finished the season 9-4 and SECW Champs in just the second season after a major, maybe the biggest, collapse of the program in modern times.
It takes about that long. IF, the crootin services are accurate, in rating our talent, then it could take even less time.
I was sitting in those same seats that game too. You were probably the drunk ass I heard yelling 12 feet up. Weren't you?
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I was sitting in those same seats that game too. You were probably the drunk ass I heard yelling 12 feet up. Weren't you?
The chances are pretty good it was me or my brother.
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The last time I saw a team this hapless overall, was 1998. Then we knew...it was no talent. Bowden had pissed off everybody across the state, and couldn't get any talent to come to Auburn. I'd sat in my seat on Sept. 19th and watched then #7 ranked LSU thump us. That LSU team, coached by Gerry DiNardo, went 4-7 that year. On Oct. 3, after an off week, I remember being at the UT game in Auburn. UT was ranked #3, and Demontrey Carter broke a long run early in the game, I had hope we could pull it off vs the soon to be National Champion Vols, he was tackled inside their 20 after about a 70 yard gain...and fumbled. I slumped down in my seat, half drunk, and tears welled up in my eyes, and I got a lump in my throat. I was at my tailgate when I learned of the Bowden resignation/firing/whatever just before we went to watch Auburn play La Tech. on Oct. 24th, 1998...[suspicious]I turned 33 that day. [/suspicious]
On August 31, 2000, I watched from those same seats (7 rows above where GH sits) as Rudi Johnson ran all over Wyoming. I was in the Ga. Dome on Dec. 2, 2000 for Auburn vs Florida and the SECC. We finished the season 9-4 and SECW Champs in just the second season after a major, maybe the biggest, collapse of the program in modern times.
It takes about that long. IF, the crootin services are accurate, in rating our talent, then it could take even less time.
Which could be our real silver lining.
But who out there do we get? ( I don't CGC is going anywhere this year) and not until end of next year with the same kind of problems.
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The last time I saw a team this hapless overall, was 1998.
I'm not sure there is a member of the 2012 Auburn Defense that would start on the 1998 defense.
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I'm not sure there is a member of the 2012 Auburn Defense that would start on the 1998 defense.
Lemonier.
But seriously, yeah. I think I'd want every single player on our defense replaced by somebody else.
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Lemonier.
But seriously, yeah. I think I'd want every single player on our defense replaced by somebody else.
Ford has been solid.
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I'm not sure there is a member of the 2012 Auburn Defense that would start on the 1998 defense.
Hells yeah , give me
Leonardo Carson
Rob Pate
James Callier
Brad Ware
Charles Dorsey
T. Pounds
Haven Fields
Ryan Taylor
M. Washington
Antwoine Nolan
Jayson Bray
Quinton Reese
Larry Casher
Courtney Rose
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Hells yeah , give me
Leonardo Carson
Rob Pate
James Callier
Brad Ware
Charles Dorsey
T. Pounds
Haven Fields
Ryan Taylor
M. Washington
Antwoine Nolan
Jayson Bray
Quinton Reese
Larry Casher
Courtney Rose
This guy was paying attention.
But yeah, I get it, we had a few players on D. The last 4 years is the first time in recent Auburn history when Defense was not just the weak point, but it fucking sucks!
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This guy was paying attention.
But yeah, I get it, we had a few players on D. The last 4 years is the first time in recent Auburn history when Defense was not just the weak point, but it fucking sucks!
Which is why Coach Van Gorder was brought in, to unfuck the situation...and that takes a little time, longer than three games into his first season. Btw, it's only been the last 3 years that the defense has gotten progressively worse, since this year hasn't finished yet (facts and stuff).
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Which is why Coach Van Gorder was brought in, to unfuck the situation...and that takes a little time, longer than three games into his first season. Btw, it's only been the last 3 years that the defense has gotten progressively worse, since this year hasn't finished yet (facts and stuff).
No, it really doesn't. At least not to show a hint of improvement.
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No, it really doesn't. At least not to show a hint of improvement.
Auburn's Defense has showed improvement (small steps, but improvement nonetheless)
Thought this was interesting...
Midway through the season, Georgia's defense was struggling, surrendering passing yards at a discouraging rate and drawing a skeptical look from fans and the media.
Brian VanGorder, who was hired this year to coordinate that defense, didn't panic. He didn't question his ability, which until this year had been tested only at smaller schools. And he didn't question his players, who had proven capable earlier in the year.
He just worked. He worked because that's what he has known since he made his first honest dollar as a 9-year-old delivering papers outside Detroit, Mich.
I think the word that describes Coach VanGorder is solid," UGA coach Mark Richt said. He's about work. He's a real strong work-ethic guy. His dad was that way, and that's the way he is."
Robert and Gloria VanGorder raised four boys - all of whom were good athletes and all of whom worked their way through childhood.
He was a very difficult man," Brian VanGorder said of his father. We had to be working. If you were sitting down or laying around when he got home, it would be an ugly scene."
One of VanGorder's older brothers, Ron, played football and baseball at Eastern Michigan. His younger brother Bobby played in the CFL. Brian VanGorder was an all-conference linebacker at Wayne State.
We worked and played sports," he said. That was our life."
Brian VanGorder began work at 9 with his paper route. By age 11, he was making a buck as a caddy. Robert VanGorder was a factory worker for General Motors. He worked hard for a living and made sure his boys worked hard, too.
He stood for all the right things -- honesty, integrity and work ethic," Brian VanGorder said. I've always tried to keep those things in line in my life."
So when the Bulldogs began to get torched by the likes of Greg Zolman, Jared Lorenzen and Rex Grossman, VanGorder didn't change his style. Georgia stuck with its plan, merely shifting its focus slightly from the run to the pass.
I don't think he ever wavered from his plan," linebacker Will Witherspoon said. Maybe he did get some heat, but he never changed. I think the last few games we showed that his game plan really works."
The results were seen in the last four games of the season, when Georgia gave up just 278.8 yards and 15.8 points per game.
I think he's done outstanding," Richt said. I got what I wanted in him. We had a chance to really hit the skids, but that didn't happen. We've improved, and that's encouraging."
Georgia finished the regular season third in the SEC in scoring defense (18.9 points per game) and sixth in total defense (361.5 yards per game).
I feel good that there was steady improvement throughout the year," VanGorder said. We just had a tendency in three or four games this year to give up big plays. You always felt like there was some good defense, but we had the tendency to give up the big plays."
Georgia's defense gave up 19 plays of 25 yards or more for a total of 727 yards in its first eight games. (Georgia's defensive coaches will pick a day after the season is over to break down a tape containing all 19 of those plays. We'll sit down and watch that and think about how bad we are as coaches," VanGorder said. That's a sick day."But the Bulldogs gave up only one big play, a 37-yard touchdown run by Georgia Tech's Joe Burns, in the final three games of the season.
VanGorder has tracked it all -- the good plays and the bad -- on what he calls a quality control sheet. It's a computer printout that charts Georgia's success rate on particular down and distances, at certain field position, using certain defensive fronts and coverage schemes.
All in all, it's a very workmanlike approach.
He doesn't think about much else but working and preparing," Richt said.
http://savannahnow.com/stories/122701/SPTugafeech.shtml
Have patience, we're only 3 games into the season, no one is getting fired for this season. Btw, the 2nd season as UGA's DC VanGorder's defense was 4th nationally and 1st in the SEC in scoring D.
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And he didn't question his players, who had proven capable earlier in the year.
Whut?
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The results were seen in the last four games of the season, when Georgia gave up just 278.8 yards and 15.8 points per game.
If Auburn gets anywhere close to this over the last four games of the season, I will eat my official Pat Dye cap.
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If Auburn gets anywhere close to this over the last four games of the season, I will eat my official Pat Dye cap.
Between you and RWS, I'm finding new reasons to cheer for Auburn this year.
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If Auburn gets anywhere close to this over the last four games of the season, I will eat my official Pat Dye cap.
I've been wondering what I'm going to do if Prowler is right and we end up pretty good.
I may donate some money to a charity or something a little less horrible.
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Which is why Coach Van Gorder was brought in, to unfuck the situation...and that takes a little time, longer than three games into his first season. Btw, it's only been the last 3 years that the defense has gotten progressively worse, since this year hasn't finished yet (facts and stuff).
Tood Grantham is in Athens disagreeing with you.
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Which is why Coach Van Gorder was brought in, to unfuck the situation...and that takes a little time, longer than three games into his first season. Btw, it's only been the last 3 years that the defense has gotten progressively worse, since this year hasn't finished yet (facts and stuff).
The problem shouldn't have been fucked to begin with.
Thats the problem though dude, Chizik is a defensive coach, why the fuck has our defense gotten progressively worse (don't say Ted Roof cause Chizik hired him). He doesn't suddenly get a pass because he has hired a good defensive coordinator...it is year 4 Prowler not year 1. We should not be having the same defensive problems year after year.
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Next time one of the talking richard heads talks about how fast and awesome Oregon is remind them that it took Ted Roof with 40 days to prepare shut that shoot down like Walter Peck on the GhostBusters containment unit.
Like Mike Tyson said, “Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the face.â€
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Like Mike Tyson said, “Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the face.â€
He also said' :
I want to rip out his heart and feed it to Lennox Lewis. I want to kill people. I want to rip their stomachs out and eat their children.
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He also said' :
I want to rip out his heart and feed it to Lennox Lewis. I want to kill people. I want to rip their stomachs out and eat their children.
Yes. Mike's criminally insane. Thankful the meds are working for him these days.
Our defense could use some of that insanity.
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He also said' :
I want to rip out his heart and feed it to Lennox Lewis. I want to kill people. I want to rip their stomachs out and eat their children.
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A CHA CHA CHA
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Yes. Mike's criminally insane. Thankful the meds are working for him these days.
Our defense could use some of that insanity.
I remain a huge Mike fan. I loved watching his bouts when he was a raging bull. I feel sorry for him and the exploitation that he has experienced since D'Amato died.
After watching Tyson, I really had a greater appreciation for what little sanity the guy has managed to hang onto.
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I remain a huge Mike fan. I loved watching his bouts when he was a raging bull. I feel sorry for him and the exploitation that he has experienced since D'Amato died.
After watching Tyson, I really had a greater appreciation for what little sanity the guy has managed to hang onto.
Agreed. It's scary to think how fast he'd have died or been in prison had D'Amato not been there.
In the hey day, Tyson was such a force to watch. Though if you blinked, you missed it. That's what made it great.
Now I want to play Punchout!
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I remain a huge Mike fan. I loved watching his bouts when he was a raging bull. I feel sorry for him and the exploitation that he has experienced since D'Amato died.
After watching Tyson, I really had a greater appreciation for what little sanity the guy has managed to hang onto.
Funny, a younger coworker and I were discussing Tyson yesterday, he only knew the current, post crazy, subdued Tyson and asked what kind of boxer he really was. I told him to get on YouTube and look up Tyson vs Michael Johnson. He came back with fear in his eyes saying that he thought the guy's neck was broken.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mwn53RU4p9Y
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Funny, a younger coworker and I were discussing Tyson yesterday, he only knew the current, post crazy, subdued Tyson and asked what kind of boxer he really was. I told him to get on YouTube and look up Tyson vs Michael Johnson. He came back with fear in his eyes saying that he thought the guy's neck was broken.
That guy looked scared as fuck before the bell even rang.
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The problem shouldn't have been fucked to begin with.
Thats the problem though dude, Chizik is a defensive coach, why the fuck has our defense gotten progressively worse (don't say Ted Roof cause Chizik hired him). He doesn't suddenly get a pass because he has hired a good defensive coordinator...it is year 4 Prowler not year 1. We should not be having the same defensive problems year after year.
The problem was recognized last year (2009 & National Champion 2010 seasons it wasn't as evident) and it was rectified after last season with nearly all underclassmen (there wasn't any improvement from the first game to the last). You don't fire a DC the same year you win the National Championship. The move was made when it needed to be made, it's really not that fucking hard to understand. So, just put the torches down and have some damn patience (it takes longer to unlearn & then learn, than it does to start with a fresh slate and learn).
Chizik and staff gets a pass, regardless of what the â€Lynch Mob†wants.
What would be better, the fanbase sticking behind their coaches and players and realizing that the scheme change over takes time...and having a little more patience than 2-3 games or the fanbase kicking and screaming â€fire everyone and burn everything to the ground†because we haven't seen the mass improvement that we expect to see?
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The problem was recognized last year (2009 & National Champion 2010 seasons it wasn't as evident) and it was rectified after last season with nearly all underclassmen (there wasn't any improvement from the first game to the last).
ARE YOU SHITTING ME?
Prowler, Prowler, Prowler. I've stayed out of this and watched you flail but my lord man, were you in some kind of asylum with no television, radio, internet, phone, newspaper or anything?
IT WASN'T AS EVIDENT?
Three worst defenses in the history of Auburn football. Pretty evident.
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The problem was recognized last year (2009 & National Champion 2010 seasons it wasn't as evident) and it was rectified after last season with nearly all underclassmen (there wasn't any improvement from the first game to the last). You don't fire a DC the same year you win the National Championship. The move was made when it needed to be made, it's really not that fucking hard to understand. So, just put the torches down and have some damn patience (it takes longer to unlearn & then learn, than it does to start with a fresh slate and learn).
Chizik and staff gets a pass, regardless of what the â€Lynch Mob†wants.
What would be better, the fanbase sticking behind their coaches and players and realizing that the scheme change over takes time...and having a little more patience than 2-3 games or the fanbase kicking and screaming â€fire everyone and burn everything to the ground†because we haven't seen the mass improvement that we expect to see?
(http://newspaper.li/static/d7b823c010131a93dd833240e72f724f.jpg)
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ARE YOU SHITTING ME?
Prowler, Prowler, Prowler. I've stayed out of this and watched you flail but my lord man, were you in some kind of asylum with no television, radio, internet, phone, newspaper or anything?
IT WASN'T AS EVIDENT?
Three worst defenses in the history of Auburn football. Pretty evident.
I don't have the resources to look up every season, but I'll go ahead and guess that you're over exaggerating about that, we've had some horrible defenses, worse than the '09 & '10 ones.
So, after the first season (2009) you go ahead and can the DC? Nope. You wait until after the second one to see if the players make the necessary improvements. Well, they made some improvements from the previous season, but they help win you the National Championship. That bought the DC one more year. The third year, the defense is one of the worse in Auburn History...then you fire the DC, WHEN IT BECOMES EVIDENT THAT NO IMPROVEMENTS HAVE BEEN MADE.
You don't fire someone after the first season, also your first season as HC & you don't fire someone after they helped you win the National Championship. You fire them when it becomes clear that no improvement is being made after you've given them a chance. (I still remember a game last year, 5th or 6th game, when they showed the discussion between Roof and Chizik...reading lips Roof said, â€do you want me to call that playâ€, Chizik said, â€yes it's your job, so do your job.†I told my Dad that Roof is gone after this season.)
Anytime the HC has to step in and do the coordinator's job, then it's a good bet that the coordinator won't be there the next season.
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I don't have the resources to look up every season, but I'll go ahead and guess that you're over exaggerating about that, we've had some horrible defenses, worse than the '09 & '10 ones.
So, after the first season (2009) you go ahead and can the DC? Nope. You wait until after the second one to see if the players make the necessary improvements. Well, they made some improvements from the previous season, but they help win you the National Championship. That bought the DC one more year. The third year, the defense is one of the worse in Auburn History...then you fire the DC, WHEN IT BECOMES EVIDENT THAT NO IMPROVEMENTS HAVE BEEN MADE.
You don't fire someone after the first season, also your first season as HC & you don't fire someone after they helped you win the National Championship. You fire them when it becomes clear that no improvement is being made after you've given them a chance. (I still remember a game last year, 5th or 6th game, when they showed the discussion between Roof and Chizik...reading lips Roof said, â€do you want me to call that playâ€, Chizik said, â€yes it's your job, so do your job.†I told my Dad that Roof is gone after this season.)
Anytime the HC has to step in and do the coordinator's job, then it's a good bet that the coordinator won't be there the next season.
No, you fire someone when you know they are not doing their job. Roof should have been fired after year one, unless he was not in complete control of the defense. Which leads me to your observation between Roof and Chizik, so in year three the DC is asking for permission to call a play is how I see it.
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No, you fire someone when you know they are not doing their job. Roof should have been fired after year one, unless he was not in complete control of the defense. Which leads me to your observation between Roof and Chizik, so in year three the DC is asking for permission to call a play is how I see it.
No, Chizik is telling him what play to call, I'm guessing by that point he'd seen enough and he started stepping in more than a HC should. The opponent's next play resulted in a 3rd & 12 conversion, but that's beside the point.
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I don't have the resources to look up every season, but I'll go ahead and guess that you're over exaggerating about that, we've had some horrible defenses, worse than the '09 & '10 ones.
No. No we haven't.
I did the numbers before and they're around here somewhere.
NO AUBURN DEFENSE IN THE HISTORY OF THE PROGRAM BACK TO 1892 gave up more points than the three defenses since Chizik arrived. Those three defenses gave up more points per game than any defense in the fucking history of Auburn football. Take the three highest games from any year since 2009 and you can find several defenses under Dye and Tuberville that did not surrender that many points FOR AN ENTIRE FUCKING SEASON.
Coincidentally? Iowa State under Chizik gave up more points in his time there than all but two teams (if my memory serves) in the entire morbid history of that school at the threshold of hell.
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No. No we haven't.
I did the numbers before and they're around here somewhere.
NO AUBURN DEFENSE IN THE HISTORY OF THE PROGRAM BACK TO 1892 gave up more points than the three defenses since Chizik arrived. Those three defenses gave up more points per game than any defense in the fucking history of Auburn football. Take the three highest games from any year since 2009 and you can find several defenses under Dye and Tuberville that did not surrender that many points FOR AN ENTIRE FUCKING SEASON.
Coincidentally? Iowa State under Chizik gave up more points in his time there than all but two teams (if my memory serves) in the entire morbid history of that school at the threshold of hell.
But you can't win at Iowa State. Unless your name is Paul Rhodes
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But you can't win at Iowa State. Unless your name is Paul Rhodes
Chizik's recruits. Duh.
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No. No we haven't.
I did the numbers before and they're around here somewhere.
NO AUBURN DEFENSE IN THE HISTORY OF THE PROGRAM BACK TO 1892 gave up more points than the three defenses since Chizik arrived. Those three defenses gave up more points per game than any defense in the fucking history of Auburn football. Take the three highest games from any year since 2009 and you can find several defenses under Dye and Tuberville that did not surrender that many points FOR AN ENTIRE FUCKING SEASON.
Coincidentally? Iowa State under Chizik gave up more points in his time there than all but two teams (if my memory serves) in the entire morbid history of that school at the threshold of hell.
But you're forgetting that George W Bush left Chizik an impossible situation. The war in Iraq and Afghanistan, the failed economic policies, and the general divisive nature of his regime.
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No. No we haven't.
I did the numbers before and they're around here somewhere.
NO AUBURN DEFENSE IN THE HISTORY OF THE PROGRAM BACK TO 1892 gave up more points than the three defenses since Chizik arrived. Those three defenses gave up more points per game than any defense in the fucking history of Auburn football. Take the three highest games from any year since 2009 and you can find several defenses under Dye and Tuberville that did not surrender that many points FOR AN ENTIRE FUCKING SEASON.
Coincidentally? Iowa State under Chizik gave up more points in his time there than all but two teams (if my memory serves) in the entire morbid history of that school at the threshold of hell.
This is all that needs to be said. Hard numbers. No defense of them either.
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But you're forgetting that George W Bush left Chizik an impossible situation. The war in Iraq and Afghanistan, the failed economic policies, and the general divisive nature of his regime.
We've already got the political forum being monitored by ATTACKWATCH. Do we really need to get them watching the football one, too?
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We've already got the political forum being monitored by ATTACKWATCH. Do we really need to get them watching the football one, too?
He railed on Bush, not Obama.
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You don't fire someone after the first season
Major Applewhite was fired after 1 season at Alabama when they went 7-6. Since then, they have gone 51-6. Just sayin.
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Major Applewhite was fired after 1 season at Alabama when they went 7-6. Since then, they have gone 51-6. Just sayin.
He wasn't the OC.
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He wasn't the OC.
Yes, he was.
Major Lee Applewhite (born July 26, 1978) is the Co-Offensive Coordinator and Running Backs Coach for the University of Texas. Prior to Texas, Applewhite served as offensive coordinator at Rice University under Todd Graham in 2006, and at the University of Alabama under Nick Saban in 2007. He was the youngest offensive coordinator among Division I-A schools at that time.
Please note the lack of name calling aimed in your direction.
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Yes, he was.
Please note the lack of name calling aimed in your direction.
No he wasn't...it was sabbin's Offense and Joe Pendry was the one pulling the strings.
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No he wasn't...it was sabbin's Offense and Joe Pendry was the one pulling the strings.
Skreetz.
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No he wasn't...it was sabbin's Offense and Joe Pendry was the one pulling the strings.
Applemuffin was the OC. Period.
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No he wasn't...it was sabbin's Offense and Joe Pendry was the one pulling the strings.
Forgot you had bammer insider skreers too. :rolleyes:
"OC" was on Applewhite's business cards, tinfoil hat theories aside.