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This has always been one of my biggest fears.
(CNN) -- A heavily armed gunman tossed tear gas into an Aurora, Colorado move theater, then sprayed the audience with gunfire during an early morning screening of the new Batman movie, authorities said. Twelve people died and 50 were wounded.
One of the wounded victims was just 3 months old, according to hospital workers.
Police arrested a man believed to be the shooter in a rear parking lot of the theater, Frank Fania, a police spokesman, told CNN. The suspect was not immediately identified, though Fania said he was believed to be in his early 20s.
"He did not resist. He did not put up a fight," Fania said. Police seized a rifle and a handgun from the suspect, and another gun was found in the theater, he said.Oates said there was no evidence of a second gunman, and FBI spokesman Jason Pack said it did not appear the incident was related to terrorism.
President Barack Obama issued a statement saying he and first lady Michelle Obama were "shocked and saddened" by the shooting and pledged the administration's support for victims of the shooting.
"As we do when confronted by moments of darkness and challenge, we must now come together as one American family," it said.
Chaos broke out during the showing of "The Dark Knight Rises" at the Century Aurora 16 theater when the shooting began, police and witnesses said.
Witnesses told KUSA that the gunman kicked in an emergency exit door and threw a smoke bomb into the darkened theater before opening fire. A federal law enforcement official told CNN the smoke bomb described by witnesses was tear gas.
One movie-goer, who was not identified, told KUSA the gunman was wearing a gas mask.
KUSA: One person in custody
Some people in the audience thought the thick smoke and gunfire was a special effect accompanying the movie, police and witnesses said.
"We just heard a pop, pop, pop, pop," said Quentin Caldwell, who was attending the Batman showing in an adjacent theater.
Cell phone video taken by someone at the theater showed scores of people screaming and fleeing the building. Some had blood on their clothes.
One police officer carried a girl believed to be about 9 with gunshot wounds to her back out of the theater, a witness said. "She wasn't moving."
Authorities also have evacuated the suspect's Aurora apartment building after "he made a statement about explosives" in his unit, Oates said.
The shooter used at least four guns -- an "AK type" rifle, a shotgun and two handguns, the federal law enforcement official told CNN.
Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms agents have searched the suspect's car and went to his home to search for explosives, agency spokesman Tom Mangan said. They also are conducting emergency traces on the weapons used to see how they were obtained, he said.
KWGN: Witnesses first thought gunfire was part of movie
Police initially said 14 people had died, 10 in the theater and four at area hospitals, but revised the death toll to 12 later Friday morning, according to Lanigan.
Several people remained in critical condition at area hospitals, however.
Of the wounded, at least 20 were being treated at the University of Colorado Hospital, said spokeswoman Jacque Montgomery. All of the wounded suffered from gunshot wounds, which ranged from minor to critical, she said.
"They're arriving by police, by ambulance. Some are walking in," she said.
The victims being treated there ranged in age from 3 months to 45, the hospital said.
Denver Health Center had six patients from the shooting, one of them in critical condition, five in fair, said Shelly Davis, house supervisor.
Swedish Health Center spokeswoman Nicole Williams said her hospital was treating three people, two of them in critical and one in fair condition. A fourth patient was on the way, she said.
Parker Adventist Hospital was treating two people for minor injuries, according to a spokeswoman.
Hundreds of police officers descended on the theater, and the FBI has joined the investigation.
"We were calling for help from every police and fire agency," Fania said.
Aurora, a Denver suburb, is about 13 miles from Littleton, Colorado -- site of the April 1999 Columbine High School massacre.
In that incident, two teenage students, Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris, armed themselves with guns and bombs and opened fire inside the high school. They killed 13 people and wounding 23 others before killing themselves.
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http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/20/us/colorado-theater-shooting/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
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So he didn't like the movie?
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So he didn't like the movie?
I'm sure Moms Against Fun will come out and claim he liked the movie too much.
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Seriously, what is wrong with people.
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So he didn't like the movie?
It was probably Stan Lee.
Or somebody who read my review.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6ZRSQAuHY0&feature=relmfu
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Twelve people died and 50 were wounded.
One of the wounded victims was just 3 months old, according to hospital workers.
That's it, string him up. No trial. No jury. Guilty. And fuck any lawyers that try to get in the way.
Seriously though, why was a 3 month old at a Batman Midnight Screening?
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Seriously though, why was a 3 month old at a Batman Midnight Screening?
You know that was my first thought. The parents should have been the ones killed for being dumbasses.
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I'm sure Moms Against Fun will come out and claim he liked the movie too much.
This was my first thought too.
Censorship advocates will point out the "terrorist themes" influenced him. They will ignore that the shooting occurred before the showing began...anywhere in the world.
Gun control lobbyists will again use this as a platform. They will ignore that this and Columbine occurred outside of Denver, CO. A city filled with hippies, and with one of the strictest gun control laws allowed by the US Constitution.
Over-protective mothers (outside of Aurora, CO) will use this to tell their teenaged son, "See! I told you not to go to this thing! I told you nothing good can happen after midnight!"
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All of a sudden what Fred Willard did in a theater doesn't seem so bad.
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This was my first thought too.
Censorship advocates will point out the "terrorist themes" influenced him. They will ignore that the shooting occurred before the showing began...anywhere in the world.
Gun control lobbyists will again use this as a platform. They will ignore that this and Columbine occurred outside of Denver, CO. A city filled with hippies, and with one of the strictest gun control laws allowed by the US Constitution.
Over-protective mothers (outside of Aurora, CO) will use this to tell their teenaged son, "See! I told you not to go to this thing! I told you nothing good can happen after midnight!"
That's we need to just string him up and kill him. Hang his ass the old fashioned way. No warning. I bet no one will do it again if we did that. This idiot probably did it because it was a grand opportunity with this many people in one place, AT NIGHT. Although that's not much different than most night time showings, other than this one was probably more chaotic and it was easier to slip in/sneak around.
But your point is correct....especially in a hippie, anti gun infested state like Colorado. At least we agree on Gun Rights. :thumsup:
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All of a sudden what Fred Willard did in a theater doesn't seem so bad.
and Pee Wee Herman, all he did was shoot it on the back of the seats.
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and Pee Wee Herman, all he did was shoot it on the back of the seats.
Willard too. But it was a more topical reference.
http://news.bostonherald.com/track/inside_track/view/20220720the_lowdown/srvc=home&position=recent
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Willard too. But it was a more topical reference.
http://news.bostonherald.com/track/inside_track/view/20220720the_lowdown/srvc=home&position=recent
I know..I saw it. I was playing off your reference.
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Sorry to ruin your day. This is fucked up.
Aspiring Sportscaster Among 12 Killed At Colorado Movie Theater; Last Blog Entry Was First-Person Account Of Eaton Centre Shootings
Tommy Craggs
Jessica Ghawi, who wrote and tweeted about hockey under the name Jessica Redfield, was among the 12 people killed early this morning when a gunman opened fire during a midnight screening of Dark Knight Rises in an Aurora, Colo., movie theater. KEN5 in San Antonio received confirmation from family members. Ghawi had recently moved to Denver from San Antonio, according to the TV station. This was Ghawi's last tweet:
@jessespector MOVIE DOESN'T START FOR 20 MINUTES
— Jessica Redfield (@JessicaRedfield) July 20, 2012
Ghawi wrote for Busted Coverage and kept a blog of her own. Her last entry was an account of the Eaton Centre shooting last month in Toronto:
I can't get this odd feeling out of my chest. This empty, almost sickening feeling won't go away. I noticed this feeling when I was in the Eaton Center in Toronto just seconds before someone opened fire in the food court. An odd feeling which led me to go outside and unknowingly out of harm‘s way. It's hard for me to wrap my mind around how a weird feeling saved me from being in the middle of a deadly shooting.
What started off as a trip to the mall to get sushi and shop, ended up as a day that has forever changed my life. I was on a mission to eat sushi that day, and when I'm on a mission, nothing will deter me. When I arrived at the Eaton Center mall, I walked down to the food court and spotted a sushi restaurant. Instead of walking in, sitting down and enjoying sushi, I changed my mind, which is very unlike me, and decided that a greasy burger and poutine would do the trick. I rushed through my dinner. I found out after seeing a map of the scene, that minutes later a man was standing in the same spot I just ate at and opened fire in the food court full of people. Had I had sushi, I would've been in the same place where one of the victims was found.
My receipt shows my purchase was made at 6:20 pm. After that purchase I said I felt funny. It wasn't the kind of funny you feel after spending money you know you shouldn't have spent. It was almost a panicky feeling that left my chest feeling like something was missing. A feeling that was overwhelming enough to lead me to head outside in the rain to get fresh air instead of continuing back into the food court to go shopping at SportChek. The gunshots rung out at 6:23. Had I not gone outside, I would've been in the midst of gunfire.
I walked around the outside of the mall. People started funneling out of every exit. When I got back to the front, I saw a police car, an ambulance, and a fire truck. I initially thought that maybe the street performer that was drumming there earlier had a heart attack or something. But more and more police officers, ambulances, and fire trucks started showing up. Something terrible has happened. I overheard a panicked guy say, "There was a shooting in the food court." I thought that there was no way, I was just down there. I asked him what happened. He said "Some guy just opened fire. Shot about 8 shots. It sounded like balloons popping. The guy is still on the loose." I'm not sure what made me stick around at this point instead of running as far away from the mall as possible. Shock? Curiosity? Human nature? Who knows.
Standing there in the midst of the chaos all around us, police started yelling to get back and make room. I saw a young shirtless boy, writhing on a stretcher, with his face and head covered by the EMS as they rushed him by us to get him into an ambulance. The moment was surprisingly calm. The EMTs helping the boy weren't yelling orders and no one was screaming like a night time medical drama. It was as if it was one swift movement to get the boy out of the mall and into the ambulance. That's when it really hit me. I felt nauseas. Who would go into a mall full of thousands of innocent people and open fire? Is this really the world we live in?
Police start yelling again "GET BACK NOW!" Another stretcher came rushing out of the mall. I saw a man on a stretcher, the blanket underneath him spotted with blood. Multiple gunshot holes in his chest, side, and neck were visible. It's not like in the movies when you see someone shot and they're bleeding continuously from the wound. There was no blood flowing from the wounds, I could only see the holes. Numerous gaping holes, as if his skin was putty and someone stuck their finger in it. Except these wounds were caused by bullets. Bullets shot out of hatred. His dark skin on his torso was tinted red with what I assume was his own blood. He was rushed into the ambulance and taken away.
More people joined the crowd at the scene and asked what happened. "There was a shooting in the food court," kept being whispered through the crowd like a game of telephone. I was standing near a security guard when I heard him say over his walkie talkie, "One fatality." At this point I was convinced I was going to throw up. I'm not an EMT or a police officer. I'm not trained to handle crime and murder. Gun crimes are fairly common where I grew up in Texas, but I never imagined I'd experience a violent crime first hand. I'm on vacation and wanted to eat and go shopping. Everyone else at the mall probably wanted the same thing. I doubt anyone left for the mall imagined they witness a shooting.
I was shown how fragile life was on Saturday. I saw the terror on bystanders' faces. I saw the victims of a senseless crime. I saw lives change. I was reminded that we don't know when or where our time on Earth will end. When or where we will breathe our last breath. For one man, it was in the middle of a busy food court on a Saturday evening.
I say all the time that every moment we have to live our life is a blessing. So often I have found myself taking it for granted. Every hug from a family member. Every laugh we share with friends. Even the times of solitude are all blessings. Every second of every day is a gift. After Saturday evening, I know I truly understand how blessed I am for each second I am given.
I feel like I am overreacting about what I experienced. But I can't help but be thankful for whatever caused me to make the choices that I made that day. My mind keeps replaying what I saw over in my head. I hope the victims make a full recovery. I wish I could shake this odd feeling from my chest. The feeling that's reminding me how blessed I am. The same feeling that made me leave the Eaton Center. The feeling that may have potentially saved my life.
http://deadspin.com/5927673?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_twitter&utm_source=deadspin_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow
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He should have been shot in the back parking lot......
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and Pee Wee Herman, all he did was shoot it on the back of the seats.
We have some visual evidence that it did not happen that way:
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Sorry to ruin your day. This is fucked up.
Ghawi wrote for Busted Coverage and kept a blog of her own. Her last entry was an account of the Eaton Centre shooting last month in Toronto:
http://deadspin.com/5927673?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_twitter&utm_source=deadspin_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow
That is pretty nuts.
She is clearly a character in Final Destination.
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@celebboutique
#Aurora is trending, clearly about our Kim K(ardashian) inspired #Aurora dress ;)
Then after getting eviscerated by all of Twitter, and removing the offending tweet:
@celebboutique
We apologise for our misunderstanding about Aurora. - CB
@celebboutique
We didn't check what the trend was about hence the confusion, again we do apologise.
@celebboutique
We are incredibly sorry for our tweet about Aurora - Our PR is NOT US based and had not checked the reason for the trend, at that time our
:haha:
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One armed person could have taken out that son of a Hillary.
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One armed person could have taken out that son of a Hillary.
Is it illegal to own a gun in Aurora, Colorado?
Do we have any documented incidents where a deranged lunatic looking to kill a lot of people has been thwarted by a gun carrying citizen that took him or her out?
I'm not against carrying guns in any way, but I do get tired of these kind of comments. How would a person carrying a gun stopped this guy? He hit a crowded room of people with tear gas and it was pitch black for a movie. A Navy SEAL wouldn't be able to stop that asshole.
Guns give you the chance to protect yourself. They do not give you the chance to stop psychos from shooting up a bunch of other people.
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Is it illegal to own a gun in Aurora, Colorado?
Do we have any documented incidents where a deranged lunatic looking to kill a lot of people has been thwarted by a gun carrying citizen that took him or her out?
I'm not against carrying guns in any way, but I do get tired of these kind of comments. How would a person carrying a gun stopped this guy? He hit a crowded room of people with tear gas and it was pitch black for a movie. A Navy SEAL wouldn't be able to stop that asshole.
Guns give you the chance to protect yourself. They do not give you the chance to stop psychos from shooting up a bunch of other people.
After Va Tech shooting some guys did a study that was on the news that said if a student was armed he only had something like a 5% chance of surviving a shooter busting into the room. But still that is 5% better than you had before.
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Is it illegal to own a gun in Aurora, Colorado?
Do we have any documented incidents where a deranged lunatic looking to kill a lot of people has been thwarted by a gun carrying citizen that took him or her out?
I'm not against carrying guns in any way, but I do get tired of these kind of comments. How would a person carrying a gun stopped this guy? He hit a crowded room of people with tear gas and it was pitch black for a movie. A Navy SEAL wouldn't be able to stop that asshole.
Guns give you the chance to protect yourself. They do not give you the chance to stop psychos from shooting up a bunch of other people.
But there is the thought. The shooter clearly wasn't looking to die or he would have given the cops a chance....or took his own life. Do you think he would have hesitated at all if he knew 50% of the people in the audience also had guns?
It's an "if" argument, I know, but it's something to consider.
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But there is the thought. The shooter clearly wasn't looking to die or he would have given the cops a chance....or took his own life. Do you think he would have hesitated at all if he knew 50% of the people in the audience also had guns?
It's an "if" argument, I know, but it's something to consider.
Posted below is information regarding Colorado carrying laws.
There is no law against carrying a firearm in Colorado and there is no law against carrying a concealed one into the movie theater.
Why didn't the shooter think about that before firing?
Colorado Concealed Carry Permit Information
Click here to view Colorado’s Concealed Carry Permit Map at the bottom of the page.
If you would like to contribute to this page, please post the information in the Colorado State Forums.
Concealed Permit:
Shall Issue to Residents only.
Example Resident Permit:
Issuing Authority:
You can apply to the sheriff of your home county, the sheriff of the county in which you own or rent real property to operate a business, or the sheriff of the county in which you currently hold a permit.
NICS/Background Check:
Yes
Permit Valid For:
Permits are valid for five years.
Processing Time:
Cost:
Initial Applications: TOTAL $52.50
CCIC Fingerprint check $17.50
InstaCheck $13.00
FBI Fingerprint check $22.00
Temporary Emergency Permits: TOTAL $30.50
CCIC Fingerprint check $17.50
InstaCheck $13.00
Renewals: (Fingerprints previously sent to CBI) TOTAL $13.00
InstaCheck $13.00
Renewals: (Fingerprints NOT previously sent to CBI) TOTAL $52.50
CCIC Fingerprint check $17.50
InstaCheck $13.00
FBI Fingerprint check $22.00
Requirements:
1. Colorado resident
2. Age 21 or older
3. Not precluded by state or federal law from owning or possessing a firearm (e.g. felony conviction, mentally incompetent)
4. Does not chronically or habitually abuse alcohol
5. Is not an unlawful user of or addicted to controlled substances
6. Is not the subject of a civil or criminal restraining order
7. Complete background check, including fingerprint verification by FBI/CBI
8. Demonstrates competence with a handgun by one of the following means:
a. evidence of experience with a firearm through participation in organized shooting competitions or current military service
b. certified firearms instructor
c. honorable discharge from the Armed Forces within past three yearss
d. proof of pistol qualification in Armed Forces within past ten years, if discharged
e. retired law enforcement with pistol qualification within past ten years
f. proof of completion of a handgun training class within the past ten years
Required Documents:
1. Completed application
2. Copy of your training certificate
3. Cop0y of your driver’s license
4. State ID Card or Passport photo
5. Application Fee
Renewal Information:
Permit may be renewed as early as 120 days before expiration or as late as six months after expiration. Renewal fee is $25; an additional late fee of $15 must be paid if the permit has expired.
Change of Name or Address:
You need to notify the issuing sheriff of your change of address within thirty days after you move.
Lost, Stolen, or Damaged Permits:
Informing Law Enforcement of Carry:
Automobile carry:
You may carry concealed in an automobile for protection while traveling or for any other lawful purpose while lawfully engaged in hunting.
Places off-limits when carrying:
1. Any place prohibited by federal law (e.g. federal offices or courthouse)
2. Any property of public school grades kindergarten through 12, unless the firearm remains inside a container in a locked vehicle
3. Any public building that prohibits ALL weapons which posts guards and permanent metal detectors at all entrances and requires all entrants to surrender handguns to security personnel before entry
Alcohol and Drugs:
It is unlawful to possess a firearm while under the influence of alcohol or controlled substances.
Deadly Force / Castle Doctrine:
Colorado is a Castle Doctrine state and does have a stand-your-ground law.
Open Carry:
Unrestricted under state law; localities may regulate this aspect independently.
http://www.usacarry.com/colorado_concealed_carry_permit_information.html
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Posted below is information regarding Colorado carrying laws.
There is no law against carrying a firearm in Colorado and there is no law against carrying a concealed one into the movie theater.
Why didn't the shooter think about that before firing?
http://www.usacarry.com/colorado_concealed_carry_permit_information.html
People don't know about the open carry law. Hell, some police officers don't know about open carry laws. My point is (as is most 2nd amendment thumpers) IF more people knew the law, and IF more people decided to carry most of the time, things would change.
If you were carrying a gun, and witnessed an armed robbery taking place in a convenience store, would you shoot the suspect? Maybe you wouldn't. But you'd have a choice. I'd say less than 5% of our country carries at all times. Criminals know that. But what if 50% carried? What about 80%? What if every day, an armed robber was shot and killed in the act of a felony by a citizen who was carrying? What if everyday, a burglar was shot and killed breaking into someone's house by the homeowner or neighbor? You don't think that would deter some of the crime?
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A Navy SEAL wouldn't be able to stop that asshole.
I'd put $500 down on the SEAL.
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My wife gets on my case when I carry my pistol somewhere. She doesn't like guns. For example, if I carry in a restaurant, her theory is if it is so unsafe that I need to carry my pistol in there then we shouldn't be there. But my point is, it is unsafe EVERYWHERE. Shit like this can happen anywhere. If somebody was carrying in there, who knows. Maybe they could have got a lucky shot off and hit the shooter. Maybe not. But at least there would have been some sort of chance. Even if it saved only one person from being injured, or killed, then the purpose of carrying would have been served.
Of course, gun control nuts will have a field day with this. Guns are no different than knives, baseball bats, alcohol, gasoline, matches, etc. In the hands of the right people who are responsible, there isn't a problem. In the hands of those who want to do harm, they are dangerous. Guns don't cause violence anymore than forks cause people to be fat. It all falls on the person using it.
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People don't know about the open carry law. Hell, some police officers don't know about open carry laws. My point is (as is most 2nd amendment thumpers) IF more people knew the law, and IF more people decided to carry most of the time, things would change.
If you were carrying a gun, and witnessed an armed robbery taking place in a convenience store, would you shoot the suspect? Maybe you wouldn't. But you'd have a choice. I'd say less than 5% of our country carries at all times. Criminals know that. But what if 50% carried? What about 80%? What if every day, an armed robber was shot and killed in the act of a felony by a citizen who was carrying? What if everyday, a burglar was shot and killed breaking into someone's house by the homeowner or neighbor? You don't think that would deter some of the crime?
I'm sure it would. But people don't want to live their life ready to shoot others. That's a utopian fairy tale.
We can't stop criminal acts. Unfortunately, if a person wants to ruin a bunch of people's lives, they can do it with ease. Issuing justice is a different matter.
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I'd put $500 down on the SEAL.
Why?
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I'm sure it would. But people don't want to live their life ready to shoot others. That's a utopian fairy tale.
We can't stop criminal acts. Unfortunately, if a person wants to ruin a bunch of people's lives, they can do it with ease. Issuing justice is a different matter.
Deterrence is a great thing. It's why we still keep nuclear weapons. It's why people buy alarm systems. It's why people lock their cars and homes. It's why Wal Mart has cameras. You might not catch every one, but you're going to make people think twice.
If some guy walked into a gas station with every intention of robbing it, and saw 2-3 customers in there carrying guns, do you think he is going to still rob it? I doubt that.
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This sick fuck also booby trapped his apartment.
The news stations are covering it live. Police are trying to set off trip wires so they can enter his apartment.
I also saw on CNN that he had died his hair red and was referring to himself as the Joker.
Cue Moms Against Fun.
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Why?
If a guy can score a shot between the eyes of a Somali pirate in a dinghy at 150 yards from a ship that is bobbing up and down on the high seas, a little smoke in a theater isn't going to be much of a challenge to him.
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Shit like this happens in the hippy dippy states. It does not happen in Texas (maybe Austin).
I guarantee you that there were at LEAST five legal handguns and probably one or two illegal ones at the last movie I saw.
These fuckers want to kill sheep. They don't pull stunts like this in places where there may be a wolf in sheep's clothing. That should speak volumes to the pinkos who think gun control is a good idea.
But it won't.
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It does not happen in Texas (maybe Austin).
Only illegals there commit random acts of violence.
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This sick fudge also booby trapped his apartment.
The news stations are covering it live. Police are trying to set off trip wires so they can enter his apartment.
I also saw on CNN that he had died his hair red and was referring to himself as the Joker.
Cue Moms Against Fun.
Wait a second! Bombs are illegal to have!!! How dare he!!
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Wait a second! Bombs are illegal to have!!! How dare he!!
The hustle was strong.
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If a guy can score a shot between the eyes of a Somali pirate in a dinghy at 150 yards from a ship that is bobbing up and down on the high seas, a little smoke in a theater isn't going to be much of a challenge to him.
This^^
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I just watched the feed from the court room. The guy looked heavily sedated or completely out of his mind.
This is such a strange story. Two days before the shooting, he's having beers with a friend shooting the shit about the Denver Broncos. Then he shoots 70 people and a few days later looks like he's been stuffed in a Jack in the Box for the majority of his life.
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I just watched the feed from the court room. The guy looked heavily sedated or completely out of his mind.
This is such a strange story. Two days before the shooting, he's having beers with a friend shooting the shit about the Denver Broncos. Then he shoots 70 people and a few days later looks like he's been stuffed in a Jack in the Box for the majority of his life.
Sometimes, people just fucking snap.
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Sometimes, people just fucking snap.
High him high. I bet the next fuckstick may think twice before pulling a stunt like that with innocent people. Maybe not, but it's a deterrent more times than not.
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High him high. I bet the next fuckstick may think twice before pulling a stunt like that with innocent people. Maybe not, but it's a deterrent more times than not.
Why do you want him high?
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Shit like this happens in the hippy dippy states. It does not happen in Texas (maybe Austin).
I guarantee you that there were at LEAST five legal handguns and probably one or two illegal ones at the last movie I saw.
These fuckers want to kill sheep. They don't pull stunts like this in places where there may be a wolf in sheep's clothing. That should speak volumes to the pinkos who think gun control is a good idea.
But it won't.
I am reminded of the tragic and infuriating incident at Ft. Hood in 2009 where a crazed, Islamo-fascist Muzzie would ironically find unarmed US soldiers. I don't think that "Major Hasan, the Soldier of Allah" has been hanged yet!
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I am reminded of the tragic and infuriating incident at Ft. Hood in 2009 where a crazed, Islamo-fascist Muzzie would ironically find unarmed US soldiers. I don't think that "Major Hasan, the Soldier of Allah" has been hanged yet!
Major Hasan had personal knowledge. He knew that the processing center would be full of unarmed soldiers. He did not try to shoot up the gun range. He did not attack the MP barracks. He chose a place where HE KNEW people would not be armed. Same as this douche and the movie theater.
I think my example still holds water.
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Way to go ABC News:
Arlene Holmes, the mother of Colorado theater shooting suspect James Holmes, has suggested that ABC News mischaracterized her when it reported that her initial statement to the reporter, "you have the right person," was a reference to her son.
"This statement is to clarify a statement made by ABC media. I was awakened by a call from a reporter by ABC on July 20 about 5:45 in the morning. I did not know anything about a shooting in Aurora at that time," Holmes said in a statement this afternoon, read to the national press by attorney Lisa Damiani. "He asked if I was Arlene Holmes and if my son was James Holmes who lives in Aurora, Colorado. I answered yes, you have the right person. I was referring to myself."
(See also: Full coverage Colorado theater shooting)
"I asked him to tell me why he was calling and he told me about a shooting in Aurora," she continues. "He asked for a comment. I told him I could not comment because I did not know if the person he was talking about was my son, and I would need to find out."
In the first paragraph of its initial report on Friday, ABC News reported that it had identified the correct James Holmes because his mother "told ABC News her son was likely the alleged culprit, saying, 'You have the right person.'"
If Arlene Holmes' latest statement is true, it means that she did not tell ABC News her son was likely the alleged culprit, calling into question the reporting of a network that has already been marred by one inaccuracy.
(PHOTOS: Obama visits Aurora)
In the very same article, published on Friday, ABC News initially suggested that the suspect might have connections to the Colorado Tea Party Patriots. The report, based off a single web profile of a man with the same name, was inaccurate. ABC News and one of the reporters, Brian Ross, later apologized for the "mistake" in a statement that now tops the very same article in questsion.
Sources tell POLITICO that on an editorial conference call this morning, ABC News SVP James Goldston said the network is taking steps to ensure that incorrect reports such as Ross's do not happen again.
A spokesperson with ABC News told POLITICO that it will address Arlene Holmes' statement in a forthcoming blog post later this afternoon.
Developing...
http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2012/07/holmes-mother-suggests-abc-news-mischaracterized-her-129835.html
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Did anyone else hear about Mitt Romney shooting up that theater full of people?
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Major Hasan had personal knowledge. He knew that the processing center would be full of unarmed soldiers. He did not try to shoot up the gun range. He did not attack the MP barracks. He chose a place where HE KNEW people would not be armed. Same as this douche and the movie theater.
I think my example still holds water.
Perhaps. But my broader point is that Texas is not immune to this type of attack given the perp knows a location where he can assault the unarmed...in the civilian world that'd probably Austin as you suggested...yes, I have actually lived in Texas for a while too.
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Perhaps. But my broader point is that Texas is not immune to this type of attack given the perp knows a location where he can assault the unarmed...in the civilian world that'd probably Austin as you suggested...yes, I have actually lived in Texas for a while too.
Legislation wise, Texas is far from being one of the more conservative states in regards to regulation. Talked with a few people out there 3 weeks ago (a good friend + couple of Aggies actually) who personally told me they wish their laws in regards to regulation were as lax as they were here, Miss and SC. I'm just taking the guy's word for it, but he was an avid hunter and said the hunting and gun laws were a lot more liberal than they used to be because of Austin and that crowd up there. Still better than what you would find in the Northeast but far from perfect. Texas has slowly went in that direction lately going from being 60% for Bush in 2000 to now being a toss up state in the 2012 election with a slight Romney lean per Karl Rove (a Texas native). The electoral map in itself isn't quite as relevant but it does show a political shift in a southern state.
TW, annex Austin (and maybe San Antonio) now or they will ruin your state politically. Atlanta is almost doing the same thing to Ga to a lesser degree (regulation and taxes).
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I think David Petzal (shooting editor, Field and Stream) hits the nail on the head.
So now it is Aurora. Another homicidal geek has gotten his 15 minutes of fame via mass murder.
Amidst all the breast-beating, recriminations, and yowls for gun control, ammo control, and tactical equipment control, there are a number of questions that no one is bringing up. I think they should be asked.
The United States has always been a country in which guns of all types have been readily available. In the 1920s, Sears Roebuck sold Thompson submachine guns. After World War II, we were awash in military weapons. Yet Aurora and Columbine and Virginia Tech are all very recent. What’s changed?
http://www.fieldandstream.com/blogs/gun-nuts/2012/07/my-thoughts-aurora-co-shooting
What has changed is this: We seem to have finally succeeded in creating young men with no regard for human life. Probably there are not legions of them, but only one is too many. Their numbers cut across lines of race, education, and class. They shoot people, friends or strangers, singly or en masse, as casually as they slaughter in video games.
Maybe we’ve been in a few wars too many. Maybe our popular entertainment is too violent. Maybe our educational system has failed in this respect, as it has in many others. Maybe the news media should stop feasting on these horrors as vultures do on a carcass. Maybe it’s part of a general breakdown in society.
What are we going to do? No one has a clue. No one is even asking the question.
Guns are the least part of the equation. They are machines, and they do what their users want, no more no less. There is a line from the movie Full Metal Jacket that sums this up perfectly.
“Your rifle is only a tool. It is a hard heart that kills.â€
There are more hard hearts out there, and we have no idea how to change them, so this is going to happen again.
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I like Austin. I don't see how it's Haight-Ashbury like you guys seem to.
I don't have the numbers, but I feel like over 50% of Atlanta's either gay or black (NTTAWWT), and then add in just run-of-the-mill liberals, and I'd be very surprised if the polling demographics of Austin and Atlanta are that far apart.
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I like Austin. I don't see how it's Haight-Ashbury like you guys seem to.
I don't have the numbers, but I feel like over 50% of Atlanta's either gay or black (NTTAWWT), and then add in just run-of-the-mill liberals, and I'd be very surprised if the polling demographics of Austin and Atlanta are that far apart.
So Sani's a black gay guy? I thought that was just face paint.
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I like Austin. I don't see how it's Haight-Ashbury like you guys seem to.
I don't have the numbers, but I feel like over 50% of Atlanta's either gay or black (NTTAWWT), and then add in just run-of-the-mill liberals, and I'd be very surprised if the polling demographics of Austin and Atlanta are that far apart.
When compared to the conservative demographics of Georgia and Texas outside of their respective capitals, the political demographics of their capitals are very liberal. Perhaps compared to each other each capital may be about the same in my anecdotal opinion (having lived in both states) although they may not reach the enlightened progressiveness of Haight-Ashbury or Greenwich Village.
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I like Austin. I don't see how it's Haight-Ashbury like you guys seem to.
I don't have the numbers, but I feel like over 50% of Atlanta's either gay or black (NTTAWWT), and then add in just run-of-the-mill liberals, and I'd be very surprised if the polling demographics of Austin and Atlanta are that far apart.
They are not that far apart. Not at all actually. They both have 2 things in common too: Both are in traditionally conservative states that have gotten more liberal lately and both are full of people not from the native state (Atlanta with yankees and Austin with Berkely transplants). Austin IS weird and very progressive in the political context. I saw that in person about 3 weeks ago. Cool town, but it is very liberal in it's mindset and also happens to be the capital hence the change in legislation over the last decade or two. Just saying it doesn't quite fit the demographic of the rest of the state.
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Legislation wise, Texas is far from being one of the more conservative states in regards to regulation. Talked with a few people out there 3 weeks ago (a good friend + couple of Aggies actually) who personally told me they wish their laws in regards to regulation were as lax as they were here, Miss and SC. I'm just taking the guy's word for it, but he was an avid hunter and said the hunting and gun laws were a lot more liberal than they used to be because of Austin and that crowd up there. Still better than what you would find in the Northeast but far from perfect. Texas has slowly went in that direction lately going from being 60% for Bush in 2000 to now being a toss up state in the 2012 election with a slight Romney lean per Karl Rove (a Texas native). The electoral map in itself isn't quite as relevant but it does show a political shift in a southern state.
TW, annex Austin (and maybe San Antonio) now or they will ruin your state politically. Atlanta is almost doing the same thing to Ga to a lesser degree (regulation and taxes).
The Nanny-State socialists who run Atlanta must be taking lessons from Bloomberg in that they just recently passed a city-wide smoking ban stricter than the statewide ban adopted a few years back but you probably heard about that already. They'll be coming after our soda and salt next. Of course Mayor Kasim Reed is also supporting the upcoming T-SPLOST transportation referendum which (and I cringe at citing him as a reference) Bob Barr has said is the largest tax increase in Georgia history.
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The Nanny-State socialists who run Atlanta must be taking lessons from Bloomberg in that they just recently passed a city-wide smoking ban stricter than the statewide ban adopted a few years back but you probably heard about that already. They'll be coming after our soda and salt next. Of course Mayor Kasim Reed is also supporting the upcoming T-SPLOST transportation referendum which (and I cringe at citing him as a reference) Bob Barr has said is the largest tax increase in Georgia history.
The smoking thing I see both sides of the fence on. Its an unusual topic and I do oppose it in many places because of the nature of the activity, not because of the nannny state reasom or because I think it's bad for you. Smoke travels via the air and has such a dynamic effect in regard to affecting others depending on conditions and proximity. As long as the smoke isn't getting in my face I could careless. I respect anyone's right to do something as long as it doesn't interfere with my right NOT to do it.
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The smoking thing I see both sides of the fence on. Its an unusual topic and I do oppose it in many places because of the nature of the activity, not because of the nannny state reasom or because I think it's bad for you. Smoke travels via the air and has such a dynamic effect in regard to affecting others depending on conditions and proximity. As long as the smoke isn't getting in my face I could careless. I respect anyone's right to do something as long as it doesn't interfere with my right NOT to do it.
Off-topic I know; I'm always considerate and mindful of others when I have occasion to smoke but these draconian outdoor smoking bans are really getting beyond ridiculous. If it's that bad then ban the product...end of story. It's grown, manufactured, sold, and it's taxed, and then it's regulated to the point that one can't consume it anywhere. This issue alone has almost pushed me into the Libertarian Party.
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This issue alone has almost pushed me into the Libertarian Party.
Same thing for me with the Patriot Act and the Federal Reserve. 2 things I wholeheartedly agree with Ron Paul/Gary Johnson on.
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Same thing for me with the Patriot Act and the Federal Reserve. 2 things I wholeheartedly agree with Ron Paul/Gary Johnson on.
(http://www.tigersx.com/images/garyjohnston.jpg)
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(http://www.tigersx.com/images/garyjohnston.jpg)
Now, suck my cock.
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(http://www.tigersx.com/images/garyjohnston.jpg)
Thats just fucking scary
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Now, suck my cock.
It's not about sex. It's about trust.
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Off-topic I know; I'm always considerate and mindful of others when I have occasion to smoke but these draconian outdoor smoking bans are really getting beyond ridiculous. If it's that bad then ban the product...end of story. It's grown, manufactured, sold, and it's taxed, and then it's regulated to the point that one can't consume it anywhere. This issue alone has almost pushed me into the Libertarian Party.
:kimclap:
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At least 3 men accused of making threats during or after watching the new Batman movie have been arrested in separate incidents, underscoring U.S. moviegoers' anxieties and heightened security in the wake of a deadly mass shooting at a Colorado theater showing the film.
Moviegoers in Sierra Visa, Arizona, panicked when a man who appeared intoxicated was confronted during a showing of the movie. The Cochise County Sheriff's office said it caused "mass hysteria" and about 50 people fled the theater.
Michael William Borboa, 27, was arrested on suspicion of disorderly conduct, and threatening and intimidating.
A Maine man was arrested when he told authorities that he was on his way to shoot a former employer a day after watching "The Dark Knight Rises," Maine state police said Monday.
Timothy Courtois of Biddeford, Maine, had been stopped for speeding, and a police search of his car found an AK-47 assault weapon, four handguns, ammunition and news clippings about the mass shooting that left 12 people dead early Friday, authorities said.
In Southern California, a man at a Sunday afternoon showing of the film was arrested after witnesses said he made threats and alluded to the Colorado shooting when the movie didn't start.
Los Angeles County sheriff's deputies were called to a cinema complex in Norwalk after moviegoers said 52-year-old Clark Tabor shouted: "I should go off like in Colorado." They said he then asked: "Does anybody have a gun?"
A security guard saw Tabor with a backpack on his knees in the second row, but deputies who searched the bag, the theater and its surrounding area did not find any weapon.
Despite some jitters over the horrific shooting, moviegoers around the U.S. still flocked to theaters to see the film, which was the final installment of the phenomenally successful Batman trilogy. Warner Bros. reported that it brought in $160.9 million over the weekend, making it the third highest opening weekend ever, after "The Avengers" and "Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows -- Part 2."
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/07/24/at-least-3-men-arrested-in-separate-dark-knight-incidents-at-movie-theaters/#ixzz21ZtaTSEl
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We're dicks! We're reckless, arrogant, stupid dicks.
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Shut down fucking Hollywood. It's their fault.
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Shut down fucking Hollywood. It's their fault.
There is some kind of desensitizing that has happened somehow. These people take this shit way too serious to the point where they are not drawing lines between fiction and reality.
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There is some kind of desensitizing that has happened somehow. These people take this shit way too serious to the point where they are not drawing lines between fiction and reality.
You mean like this crazy google eyed fuck
(http://static.globalgrind.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/gallery_image/images/2012_july/ayg9shiceaeotqr_1.jpg)
It's all in the google eyes, and shortened arms.
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You mean like this crazy google eyed fuck
(http://static.globalgrind.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/gallery_image/images/2012_july/ayg9shiceaeotqr_1.jpg)
It's all in the google eyes, and shortened arms.
Just think - if that cat shaved his head he would look similar to uncle fester.
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Just think - if that cat shaved his head he would look similar to uncle fester.
You think? I don't see it.
(http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d58/saniflush/tannerfester-1.jpg)
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You think? I don't see it.
(http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d58/saniflush/tannerfester-1.jpg)
Oh.....shit......
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WOW....Just WOW
James Holmes, the accused gunman in last Friday's midnight movie massacre in Colorado, mailed a notebook "full of details about how he was going to kill people" to a University of Colorado psychiatrist before the attack, but the parcel sat unopened in a mailroom for as long as a week before its discovery Monday, a law enforcement source told FoxNews.com.
Police and FBI agents were called to the University of Colorado Anschutz medical campus in Aurora on Monday morning after the psychiatrist, who is also a professor at the school, reported receiving a package believed to be from the suspect. Although that package turned out to be from someone else and harmless, a search of the Campus Services' mailroom turned up another package sent to the psychiatrist with Holmes’ name in the return address, the source told FoxNews.com.
A second law enforcement source said authorities got a warrant from a county judge and took the package away Monday night. When it was opened, its chilling contents were revealed.
“There were drawings of what he was going to do in it--drawings and illustrations of the massacre."
- Law enorcement source
“Inside the package was a notebook full of details about how he was going to kill people,†the source told FoxNews.com. “There were drawings of what he was going to do in it - drawings and illustrations of the massacre."
Among the images shown in the spiral-bound notebook’s pages were gun-wielding stick figures blowing away other stick figures.
The source said the package had been in the mailroom since July 12, though another source who confirmed the discovery to FoxNews.com could not say if the package arrived prior to Friday's massacre. It was not clear why it had not been delivered to the psychiatrist. The notebook is now in possession of the FBI, sources told FoxNews.com.
Both sources said the intended recipient of Holmes’ notebook was a professor who also treated patients at the psychiatry outpatient facility, located in Building 500, where the first suspicious package was delivered. It could not be verified that the psychiatrist had had previous contact with Holmes, who was a dropout from the school’s neuroscience doctoral program and had studied various mental health issues and ailments as part of his curriculum.
Holmes is accused of killing 12 and injuring 58 at a midnight showing of the Batman movie “The Dark Knight Rises†at the Century 16 Theater in Aurora.
University of Colorado spokeswoman Jacque Montgomery said she was not aware of the contents of the package or who had sent it.
Agent Dave Joly, of the FBI’s Denver Division, declined to comment on the matter, citing a gag order issued Monday by Arapahoe County District Judge William Sylvester. Arapahoe County District Attorney Carol Chambers' office and Aurora police also could not comment due to the gag order.
Police believe the July 20 attack was meticulously planned. Holmes allegedly tossed tear gas canisters into the crowded theater, and then fired his 12-gauge shotgun at the ceiling before turning it on the crowd. As panicked movie watchers raced for the exits, he switched to a .40 Glock pistol and a .223 Smith & Wesson M&P semi-automatic with a high-capacity drum clip, sources told Fox News. The gun jammed, likely preventing far more deaths.
After the gun jammed, Holmes allegedly walked out of the theater through the door he'd entered and was removing his body armor beside his car when he was confronted by the officers who took him down, the source said, adding that the gunman seemed surprised authorities arrived so quickly.
Before mounting the horrific attack, Holmes allegedly booby-trapped his apartment and left music blasting, possibly to create a diversion that would occupy police and rescue personnel several miles away from the theater, the source said.
Fox News has learned that the door was wired with a booby-trap and a backup system that would have triggered an explosive designed to "cut in half" the first person through the door. After that, explosions and flames would have likely consumed the entire building, presumably with the intention of trapping other residents as they slept and forcing a massive response of police and rescue personnel.
Holmes, who made his first court appearance Monday and looked disoriented and disheveled, could face the death penalty.
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/07/25/exclusive-movie-massacre-suspect-laid-out-plans-in-package-mailed-to/#ixzz21eRYv5Cr
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Major Hasan had personal knowledge. He knew that the processing center would be full of unarmed soldiers. He did not try to shoot up the gun range. He did not attack the MP barracks. He chose a place where HE KNEW people would not be armed. Same as this douche and the movie theater.
I think my example still holds water.
You know, too, I had forgotten about the Luby's Diner massacre in Killeen which resulted in the Texas Legislature changing their concealed carry law making it easier to get the permit. I heard an interview with a Dr. Hup who was at the scene of this particular crime in 1991; both her parents were shot and killed along with some 20+ other people while her gun was in her car a few yards from where she was sitting...thought about that again while I was at lunch today in a similar crowded restaurant.
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You know, too, I had forgotten about the Luby's Diner massacre in Killeen which resulted in the Texas Legislature changing their concealed carry law making it easier to get the permit. I heard an interview with a Dr. Hup who was at the scene of this particular crime in 1991; both her parents were shot and killed along with some 20+ other people while her gun was in her car a few yards from where she was sitting...thought about that again while I was at lunch today in a similar crowded restaurant.
Maybe it’s today’s world or my military background or a combination of both, but when I enter I place (90% of the time with my concealed weapon) I always locate another exit. I recon the room for anything I think is out of the ordinary(people-objects-etc). I sit with my back to a solid wall if possible.
And with all that I do it would not help in some situations. Sometimes somebody else decides your number is up.
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Maybe it’s today’s world or my military background or a combination of both, but when I enter I place (90% of the time with my concealed weapon) I always locate another exit. I recon the room for anything I think is out of the ordinary(people-objects-etc). I sit with my back to a solid wall if possible.
And with all that I do it would not help in some situations. Sometimes somebody else decides your number is up.
I have a few friends (current and former police and military) who do exactly the same thing all-the-time. I'm not quite that thorough yet but I do look around a restaurant or bar before I take a seat.
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I have a few friends (current and former police and military) who do exactly the same thing all-the-time. I'm not quite that thorough yet but I do look around a restaurant or bar before I take a seat.
Well you don't know where the hot single chick is so you gotta look.
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Well you don't know where the hot single chick is so you gotta look.
I wasn't going to mention the other shallower, self-serving, ulterior motive for casing a joint...
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I wasn't going to mention the other shallower, self-serving, ulterior motive for casing a joint...
There's another reason?
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There's another reason?
Hot dudes.
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Hot dudes.
Well sure. Goes without saying.
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Hot dudes.
Sexy children.
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There's another reason?
I guess in the great scheme of things it is less-important to identify alternate exits, solid walls, and nefarious individuals intent on shooting everybody as opposed to identifying the hot, single chicks.
Sexy children.
You're scared!?
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You're scared!?
Tarheel, you'll appreciate this......
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Sexy children.
Send your kids to Penn State...The memories will last a life time
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Tarheel, you'll appreciate this......
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What was Jerry Sandusky's defensive philosophy at Penn State?
Get penetration and always cover the Tight End.
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What was Jerry Sandusky's defensive philosophy at Penn State?
Get penetration and always cover the Tight End.
Don't you think it's just a little too soon for this kind of comment? I mean, think of the children.
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Don't you think it's just a little too soon for this kind of comment? I mean, think of the children.
I am. Trust me, I am.
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Don't you think it's just a little too soon for this kind of comment? I mean, think of the children.
I'm sure he is, all of them.