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Title: The Shark Once Jumped...
Post by: Kaos on March 20, 2012, 11:10:01 PM
Occasionally shows can recover from jumping the shark and extend beyond the grisly, awkward end to a series. 

Most can't avoid jumping the shark in the first place -- even the greatest series in episodic television jumped on a whale shark with the gay Vito arc -- and even fewer can recover once astride the beast of the deep. 

One of my favorite shows of recent years is firmly entrenched in shark filled waters and I fear there is no hope of return. 

The Office is, to be quite honest, awful now.  It's a terrible show. 

Andy sucks balls, he was annoying as a supporting character and definitely can't carry the show. 

Trying to wring Jim/Pam, Michael/Holly drama out of the asinine lack of chemistry between Andy and Erin is about as viable as pairing Phyllis and Oscar would be.  Nobody buys or wants to see that nasty shit.  Erin, yes.  She's cute.  But paired with annoying Andy?   

The Robert California schtick is lame and brings little to the table. 

The new chick with the british accent is abrasive and detracts from the show.

Kevin, Dwight, Oscar, Angela, Stanley and Darryl have basically become caricatures of the roles they once played with subtlety.

The stupid fat whore with the two stupid dogs was a fail of epic proportions. 

Gabe had potential but failed to deliver.

Kelly, Ryan, Toby and Creed are wasted in throwaway roles. 

There is no sense of fun.  It's like a funeral.  They're all just dragging through the motions. 

I know NBC said after this season The Office would bow out gracefully with one last hurrah.  Too late for graceful goodbyes.  It's floundering like the Titanic after an iceberg bath or the Hindenburg in a thunderstorm. Part of me hopes they put it out of its misery before it befouls its legacy with another crapfest of a season.  Part of me wishes they'd fire everybody and retool with an almost entirely new cast to see if it could be salvaged.  All of me wishes they would fire Andy and Robert California to at least see if they could resurrect SOME of the fun.  But it's over probably.  It's laying there dying and nobody seems to know what to do.

Sad thing is that people like Jenna Fischer and John Krasinki who might have had some small chance outside that realm are going to be covered in the stink of the dying show and it's going to limit their future options.  Not that they had that many, but still. 

I hate to watch it now.  It's like watching a good friend slowly wither away and you can't do anything to help.
Title: Re: The Shark Once Jumped...
Post by: Godfather on March 21, 2012, 12:34:06 AM
Robert California is gone after this season.

Unfortunately so is Dwight which will pretty much suck the rest of the funny out of the show.  They are going to make a Dwight spinoff....we know how those always work out. :suicide:
Title: Re: The Shark Once Jumped...
Post by: Kaos on March 21, 2012, 07:49:00 AM
Robert California is gone after this season.

Unfortunately so is Dwight which will pretty much suck the rest of the funny out of the show.  They are going to make a Dwight spinoff....we know how those always work out. :suicide:

Notable exception: Frasier.   It turned out to be better than the show from which it spun.  More depth.   Also a show that never really jumped the shark. Did at least gaze at the water during the Niles/Daphne wedding season.

Dwight is no Frasier.
Title: Re: The Shark Once Jumped...
Post by: GH2001 on March 21, 2012, 09:31:35 AM
Occasionally shows can recover from jumping the shark and extend beyond the grisly, awkward end to a series. 

Most can't avoid jumping the shark in the first place -- even the greatest series in episodic television jumped on a whale shark with the gay Vito arc -- and even fewer can recover once astride the beast of the deep. 

One of my favorite shows of recent years is firmly entrenched in shark filled waters and I fear there is no hope of return. 

The Office is, to be quite honest, awful now.  It's a terrible show. 

Andy sucks balls, he was annoying as a supporting character and definitely can't carry the show. 

Trying to wring Jim/Pam, Michael/Holly drama out of the asinine lack of chemistry between Andy and Erin is about as viable as pairing Phyllis and Oscar would be.  Nobody buys or wants to see that nasty shit.  Erin, yes.  She's cute.  But paired with annoying Andy?   

The Robert California schtick is lame and brings little to the table. 

The new chick with the british accent is abrasive and detracts from the show.

Kevin, Dwight, Oscar, Angela, Stanley and Darryl have basically become caricatures of the roles they once played with subtlety.

The stupid fat whore with the two stupid dogs was a fail of epic proportions. 

Gabe had potential but failed to deliver.

Kelly, Ryan, Toby and Creed are wasted in throwaway roles. 

There is no sense of fun.  It's like a funeral.  They're all just dragging through the motions. 

I know NBC said after this season The Office would bow out gracefully with one last hurrah.  Too late for graceful goodbyes.  It's floundering like the Titanic after an iceberg bath or the Hindenburg in a thunderstorm. Part of me hopes they put it out of its misery before it befouls its legacy with another crapfest of a season.  Part of me wishes they'd fire everybody and retool with an almost entirely new cast to see if it could be salvaged.  All of me wishes they would fire Andy and Robert California to at least see if they could resurrect SOME of the fun.  But it's over probably.  It's laying there dying and nobody seems to know what to do.

Sad thing is that people like Jenna Fischer and John Krasinki who might have had some small chance outside that realm are going to be covered in the stink of the dying show and it's going to limit their future options.  Not that they had that many, but still. 

I hate to watch it now.  It's like watching a good friend slowly wither away and you can't do anything to help.

Agree.

It's another on my list from yesterday that started out good but waded into catshit territory eventually.
Title: Re: The Shark Once Jumped...
Post by: AUTiger1 on March 21, 2012, 09:47:26 AM
Agree, I don't like it now.  It's on the DVR schedule.  The wife still watches it, but I don't. 
Title: Re: The Shark Once Jumped...
Post by: Godfather on March 21, 2012, 09:55:00 AM
Notable exception: Frasier.   It turned out to be better than the show from which it spun.  More depth.   Also a show that never really jumped the shark. Did at least gaze at the water during the Niles/Daphne wedding season.

Dwight is no Frasier.

Sorry Frasier wasn't better than Cheers...maybe the last few seasons but not Cheers as a whole.
Title: Re: The Shark Once Jumped...
Post by: Snaggletiger on March 21, 2012, 09:57:31 AM
Cheers was awesome. 

Noooorrrm

Can I get you a beer, Mr. Peterson?

Yeah, but stop me at 1......okay, 1:30.
Title: Re: The Shark Once Jumped...
Post by: AUChizad on March 21, 2012, 09:58:16 AM
As soon as Carell left, it became Caddy Shack II, which is exactly what everyone expected.

Why no one else in the cast salvaged their dignity and left with Michael Scott, I have no idea.

Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
Title: Re: The Shark Once Jumped...
Post by: Buzz Killington on March 21, 2012, 10:02:28 AM
Cheers was awesome. 

Noooorrrm

Can I get you a beer, Mr. Peterson?

Yeah, but stop me at 1......okay, 1:30.

What would you say to a nice beer, Normie?

Going down?
Title: Re: The Shark Once Jumped...
Post by: GH2001 on March 21, 2012, 10:05:44 AM
As soon as Carell left, it became Caddy Shack II, which is exactly what everyone expected.

Why no one else in the cast salvaged their dignity and left with Michael Scott, I have no idea.

Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

I almost said that too.

Caddyshack II, Season 6 of Sopranos (Kaos), Season 10 of Friends/Joey, Mayberry RFD, Smokey and the Bandit 2, Godfather III

Title: Re: The Shark Once Jumped...
Post by: wesfau2 on March 21, 2012, 10:31:16 AM
What would you say to a nice beer, Normie?

Going down?

How's the world treating you, Mr. Peterson?

It's a dog eat dog world out there, Woody, and I'm wearing Milk Bone underwear.
Title: Re: The Shark Once Jumped...
Post by: Snaggletiger on March 21, 2012, 10:42:30 AM
How's the world treating you, Mr. Peterson?

It's a dog eat dog world out there, Woody, and I'm wearing Milk Bone underwear.

How's a beer sound, Norm?

I dunno. I usually finish them before they get a word in
Title: Re: The Shark Once Jumped...
Post by: Kaos on March 21, 2012, 12:20:59 PM
So sue me.   Cheers had its moments but kept jumping on and off the shark. 
Sam and Diane. Sam and Rebecca.  Diane and Frasier.  Frasier and Lilith. Woody and Kelly.

It was never as consistently good as Frasier IMO.  It's one of those shows I watch even if I've seen it 15 times already. Cheers I grew tired of.

B&w Andy Griffith.  WKRP. News Radio.    Seinfeld (sometimes).   Those I like.  At one time MASH but not any more.
Title: Re: The Shark Once Jumped...
Post by: bird35 on March 21, 2012, 12:44:07 PM
They need to add another Jim / Pam baby to the office to save the show.   Or perhaps Jim and Pam can adopt a cute 5 year old and bring him into the office daily.   
Title: Re: The Shark Once Jumped...
Post by: Snaggletiger on March 21, 2012, 01:21:59 PM
How's it going Mr. Peterson?
Poor.
I'm sorry to hear that.
No, I mean pour.
Title: Re: The Shark Once Jumped...
Post by: Kaos on March 21, 2012, 01:25:52 PM
The babies are enormous sharks.  Never cared less about a baby in my life. 

Also sharkish?  Will Ferrell's short time.  Really stupid. 

Also sharkish?  The whole "Katherine is going after Jim" angle.  Went nowhere, netted nothing.

Also sharkish?  Wasting the entire Stanley Gone Wild setup in Florida with a big fat nothing.

Also sharkish?  Georgia Engel.

Also sharkish? Todd Packer wasted in an unfunny, lengthy cameo. 

Should have ended it with the place getting shut down when Michael left. 
Title: Re: The Shark Once Jumped...
Post by: chinook on March 21, 2012, 01:43:06 PM
little house on the prairie jumped the shark when nancy was introduced. 
Title: Re: The Shark Once Jumped...
Post by: Snaggletiger on March 21, 2012, 02:29:11 PM
little house on the prairie jumped the shark when nancy was introduced.

Little Hou....you didn't just.....wait, did you say.........Umm....I got nuthin'.
Title: Re: The Shark Once Jumped...
Post by: AU_Tiger_2000 on March 21, 2012, 02:56:48 PM
How's it going Mr. Peterson?
Poor.
I'm sorry to hear that.
No, I mean pour.

What'll you have Mr. Peterson?
I'll have a glass of whatever comes out of that tap.
Looks like it's beer.
Call me Mr. Lucky!
Title: Re: The Shark Once Jumped...
Post by: AU_Tiger_2000 on March 21, 2012, 02:58:23 PM
So sue me.   Cheers had its moments but kept jumping on and off the shark. 
Sam and Diane. Sam and Rebecca.  Diane and Frasier.  Frasier and Lilith. Woody and Kelly.

It was never as consistently good as Frasier IMO.  It's one of those shows I watch even if I've seen it 15 times already. Cheers I grew tired of.

B&w Andy Griffith.  WKRP. News Radio.    Seinfeld (sometimes).   Those I like.  At one time MASH but not any more.

NewsRadio was one of the best shows ever.  I have the series on DVD minus the post Phil Hartman shark jumped season.
Title: Re: The Shark Once Jumped...
Post by: Kaos on April 05, 2012, 08:51:05 AM
I recently discovered ME-TV which airs episodes of great (in retrospect many are awful) old shows like Family Affair, Petticoat Junction, Gomer Pyle, Love American Style (an old favorite of mine), Cannon, Mission Impossible, Hawaii Five-O, Kojack, Rockford Files, Batman, That Girl, My Three Sons and a bunch of other shows that were staples of my growing up years. 

One show that I watched religiously with my grandmother was Perry Mason.  Still love the theme song. 

So a Mason episode was on the other night and as I watched it I discovered that even the great litigator Mason could jump the shark.  This may not be the only episode in which Mason leaped astride the beast of the deep, but he was certainly clinging to a dorsal fin in Episode 239 of his 271 episode run:  The Case of the Grinning Gorilla.

Della buys a package of junk at an auction and it turns out that some rich guy wants it back.  In the process of dealing with the rich guy, Mason interacts with overacting Victor Buono and deals with Captain Stubing (who is stuffed into a suit meant for somebody half his size).  There's also a rampaging gorilla trashing the room of the now-dead rich guy. Mason manages to escape the monkey and rescue a former housekeeper being terrorized by the hairy silverback by throwing a few coins on the floor and staring at the ape with his manson lamps as he walks past it.  Of course the ape isn't the killer and the story unravels from there, but the ape interaction?  Shark written all over it. 

Saw an episode of Brady Bunch recently too.  The introduction of Cousin Fuckersludge.  Little bastard looked like John Denver playing Benjamin Button.  That was very sharkish too. 

Just out of curiosity can you pinpoint other instances where a show jumped the shark and hastened its decline?

For Sopranos?  It was the moment Vito popped up from between the construction worker's legs.  Some of the greatest episodes in the series followed in the wake of that disaster of a scene, but the remainder of the series run devolved from that storyline tangent. 
Title: Re: The Shark Once Jumped...
Post by: GH2001 on April 05, 2012, 09:17:30 AM
Funny you mentioned ME-TV. I caught it last week on the HD Antenna. Not sure where it is coming from but Petticoat Junction was on. Fan-friggin-tastic. Perry Mason (b&w, not the newer color) was on afterwards.

I used to watch Rockford Files in syndication on another network as a kid. Also with Emergency and Mannix. I thought Rockford Files was the coolest show ever. Reminds me of Hunter in the 80's which I thought was also a decent show. What does this all mean? TV shows today SUCK for the most part if middle of the pack shows from way back are better.
Title: Re: The Shark Once Jumped...
Post by: Godfather on April 05, 2012, 10:09:46 AM
Happy Days has a terrible jumping the shark episode.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDthMGtZKa4# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDthMGtZKa4#)
Title: Re: The Shark Once Jumped...
Post by: AUChizad on April 05, 2012, 10:14:32 AM
Happy Days has a terrible jumping the shark episode.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDthMGtZKa4# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDthMGtZKa4#)
It would seem as if this was a witty pun since the phrase "jumping the shark" has taken on its own meaning, but this is actually where the term derived.
Title: Re: The Shark Once Jumped...
Post by: GH2001 on April 05, 2012, 10:18:11 AM
It would seem as if this was a witty pun since the phrase "jumping the shark" has taken on its own meaning, but this is actually where the term derived.

I saw that Episode as a kid and thought to myself at the time that it was terrible compared to the rest of the earlier episodes. Guess I wasn't alone in thinking that. Fonzy waterskis? Gimme a break. Horrible. He needed to stick to getting free plays on the jukebox.
Title: Re: The Shark Once Jumped...
Post by: Snaggletiger on April 05, 2012, 10:33:52 AM
I saw that Episode as a kid and thought to myself at the time that it was terrible compared to the rest of the earlier episodes. Guess I wasn't alone in thinking that. Fonzy waterskis? Gimme a break. Horrible. He needed to stick to getting free plays on the jukebox.

Did exactly the same thing.  I was watching thinking, oh man don't go there. 
Title: Re: The Shark Once Jumped...
Post by: Kaos on April 05, 2012, 10:39:06 AM
Funny you mentioned ME-TV. I caught it last week on the HD Antenna. Not sure where it is coming from but Petticoat Junction was on. Fan-friggin-tastic. Perry Mason (b&w, not the newer color) was on afterwards.

I used to watch Rockford Files in syndication on another network as a kid. Also with Emergency and Mannix. I thought Rockford Files was the coolest show ever. Reminds me of Hunter in the 80's which I thought was also a decent show. What does this all mean? TV shows today SUCK for the most part if middle of the pack shows from way back are better.

I don't know if middle of the pack are way better.  I caught an episode of Cannon.  It was laughably bad.  It was like a parody it was so awful. 

Rockford was on last night, BTW. 
Title: Re: The Shark Once Jumped...
Post by: Godfather on April 05, 2012, 10:39:43 AM
It would seem as if this was a witty pun since the phrase "jumping the shark" has taken on its own meaning, but this is actually where the term derived.

No shit...really.




























:sarcasm:
Title: Re: The Shark Once Jumped...
Post by: Kaos on April 05, 2012, 10:49:40 AM
I saw that Episode as a kid and thought to myself at the time that it was terrible compared to the rest of the earlier episodes. Guess I wasn't alone in thinking that. Fonzy waterskis? Gimme a break. Horrible. He needed to stick to getting free plays on the jukebox.

Then it took the shark and fucked it in the gills when aliens from Ork started showing up.  And Chachi.  Fuck Chachi. 

Even Gunsmoke apparently jumped the shark.  Today's episode?

A midget shows up in Dodge City claiming he'll turn into an elephant at midnight. 

Yes.  That's the storyline. 

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-W0IwARQtxGQ/Tww5RVFJUtI/AAAAAAAAABw/jicJYHi2TLY/s1600/jumping-the-shark%255B1%255D.jpg)
Title: Re: The Shark Once Jumped...
Post by: GH2001 on April 05, 2012, 10:58:39 AM
Then it took the shark and fucked it in the gills when aliens from Ork started showing up.  And Chachi.  Fuck Chachi. 

Even Gunsmoke apparently jumped the shark.  Today's episode?

A midget shows up in Dodge City claiming he'll turn into an elephant at midnight. 

Yes.  That's the storyline. 

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-W0IwARQtxGQ/Tww5RVFJUtI/AAAAAAAAABw/jicJYHi2TLY/s1600/jumping-the-shark%255B1%255D.jpg)

Gunsmoke was bound to. They only had over 500 episodes or something. I think they are the longest running show (fiction) ever.
Title: Re: The Shark Once Jumped...
Post by: AUChizad on April 05, 2012, 11:01:34 AM
Gunsmoke was bound to. They only had over 500 episodes or something. I think they are the longest running show (fiction) ever.
Simpsons.
Title: Re: The Shark Once Jumped...
Post by: AUChizad on April 05, 2012, 11:05:49 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Simpsons (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Simpsons)

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The Simpsons is the longest-running American sitcom, the longest-running American animated program, and in 2009 it surpassed Gunsmoke as the longest-running American primetime, scripted television series.
Title: Re: The Shark Once Jumped...
Post by: GH2001 on April 05, 2012, 11:08:23 AM
Simpsons.

Ok, until recently then.

Not trying to knock the simpsons or anything because I like it, but keeping a real live cast together as long as Gunsmoke did is amazing. Animation is no walk in the park either, but what GS did for that long was just nuts. There aren't too many shows now that will reach that magic 200 episode mark.
Title: Re: The Shark Once Jumped...
Post by: Kaos on April 05, 2012, 11:18:22 AM
Simpsons.

Difference is nobody's watched that show since 1994.  It may still be on but nobody knows it.
Title: Re: The Shark Once Jumped...
Post by: wesfau2 on April 05, 2012, 11:36:40 AM
What does this all mean? TV shows today SUCK for the most part if middle of the pack shows from way back are better.

No, it means that nostalgia has you believing that those old shows are that much better.  Network tv has always been mostly garbage.


Side Note:  HUGE props to GF for the new avatar.  The man gots mad skillz, yo.  So far I've been Terry Bowden, Alan from The Hangover and Danny Noonan.  Kudos, sir.
Title: Re: The Shark Once Jumped...
Post by: GH2001 on April 05, 2012, 11:44:37 AM
No, it means that nostalgia has you believing that those old shows are that much better.  Network tv has always been mostly garbage.


Side Note:  HUGE props to GF for the new avatar.  The man gots mad skillz, yo.  So far I've been Terry Bowden, Alan from The Hangover and Danny Noonan.  Kudos, sir.

Well, if it isn't Sigmund Freud telling me why I think what I do.

Surely, you don't think the "ahead of it's time" writing on Andy Griffith and the chemistry/dialogue between its characters was "garbage".

Back then, half the shows were junk. Now, 99% of them are junk. That's the difference. Better humor, better writing, better acting (although it wasn't great on many old shows either).
Title: Re: The Shark Once Jumped...
Post by: wesfau2 on April 05, 2012, 11:47:45 AM
Surely, you don't think the "ahead of it's time" writing on Andy Griffith and the chemistry/dialogue between its characters was "garbage".

No.  What I said was: 
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Network tv has always been mostly garbage.


Then you said:
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(although it wasn't great on many old shows either).

So, essentially we're saying the same fucking thing, Cochise.
Title: Re: The Shark Once Jumped...
Post by: AUChizad on April 05, 2012, 11:52:02 AM
Well, if it isn't Sigmund Freud telling me why I think what I do.

Surely, you don't think the "ahead of it's time" writing on Andy Griffith and the chemistry/dialogue between its characters was "garbage".

Back then, half the shows were junk. Now, 99% of them are junk. That's the difference. Better humor, better writing, better acting (although it wasn't great on many old shows either).
I can't watch a full episode of Andy Griffith without falling asleep.

Give me American Horror Story, Eastbound & Down, Curb Your Enthusiasm, Increasingly Poor Decisions of Todd Margaret, and at least a dozen other shows currently on the air a thousand times before an episode of Andy Griffith.

Wes is right. Nostalgia is kinder than time.
Title: Re: The Shark Once Jumped...
Post by: GH2001 on April 05, 2012, 11:53:50 AM
No.  What I said was: 

Then you said:
So, essentially we're saying the same fucking thing, Cochise.

I was speaking of the acting actually. Some of it was horrid. Gilligans Island and Green Acres are two prime example. I'd rather smell hot vomit mixed with Pabst Blue Ribbon than to watch either of those.

And how dare you use racial slurs. Bigot!
Title: Re: The Shark Once Jumped...
Post by: GH2001 on April 05, 2012, 11:57:14 AM
I can't watch a full episode of Andy Griffith without falling asleep.

Give me American Horror Story, Eastbound & Down, Curb Your Enthusiasm, Increasingly Poor Decisions of Todd Margaret, and at least a dozen other shows currently on the air a thousand times before an episode of Andy Griffith.

Wes is right. Nostalgia is kinder than time.

Also remember that you may be using today's metrics to judge a show from 1960. Andy was way ahead of its time for 1960. Especially if you look around that time period at the other shows and compare. Light years ahead of everything else, including Lucy, Beaver, Hillbillies, etc.
Title: Re: The Shark Once Jumped...
Post by: Godfather on April 05, 2012, 11:58:11 AM
Side Note:  HUGE props to GF for the new avatar.  The man gots mad skillz, yo.  So far I've been Terry Bowden, Alan from The Hangover and Danny Noonan.  Kudos, sir.

You forgot Wesman and my personal favorite Wesus (my Lord and Saviour).

(http://www.tigersx.com/images/wesman.jpg) <---this one sucks but the idea was funny

(http://www.tigersx.com/images/wesus.jpg)
Title: Re: The Shark Once Jumped...
Post by: wesfau2 on April 05, 2012, 11:59:42 AM
You forgot Wesman and my personal favorite Wesus (my Lord and Saviour).

(http://www.tigersx.com/images/wesman.jpg)

(http://www.tigersx.com/images/wesus.jpg)

Damn, I sure did.  Mea culpa.

For the record, the correct pronunciation is: Way-zeus.

And that one is my favorite as well.
Title: Re: The Shark Once Jumped...
Post by: AUChizad on April 05, 2012, 12:07:19 PM
Also remember that you may be using today's metrics to judge a show from 1960.
I thought that's what we were doing, when you say something like:
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What does this all mean? TV shows today SUCK for the most part if middle of the pack shows from way back are better.
Title: Re: The Shark Once Jumped...
Post by: GH2001 on April 05, 2012, 12:11:41 PM
I thought that's what we were doing, when you say something like:

And I'm not saying you can't, just explaining why it might not appeal to you as much. Meaning the brand of comedy. It's not going to be nearly as aggressive as say, East Bound or even Sunny in Philly. I could see where it would seem boring to many now, but at the time it wasn't. Again, comparing it to other shows around it at the time does it the most justice. It was a man amongst boys in 1961.
Title: Re: The Shark Once Jumped...
Post by: AUChizad on April 05, 2012, 12:18:22 PM
Meaning the brand of comedy. It's not going to be nearly as aggressive as say, East Bound. I could see where it would seem boring to many now, but at the time it wasn't. Again, comparing it to other shows around it at the time does it the most justice. It was a man amongst boys in 1961.
I can agree with that, because in my opinion, all TV from that time sucked major donkey cocks. None of it can be considered remotely entertaining to me.

Which is the complete opposite of:
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What does this all mean? TV shows today SUCK for the most part if middle of the pack shows from way back are better.

I feel like we're actually in a Golden Age of television that started with the Soprano's. TV shows for the most part did used to all suck, and they're far, far better now. The sitcom format is and always has been campy and terrible (with few exceptions like Seinfield and Married With Children). Of course, the 90's are my nostalgia period, so maybe that has something to do with me still thinking those are funny.
Title: Re: The Shark Once Jumped...
Post by: GH2001 on April 05, 2012, 12:27:14 PM
I can agree with that, because in my opinion, all TV from that time sucked major donkey cocks. None of it can be considered remotely entertaining to me.

Which is the complete opposite of:
I feel like we're actually in a Golden Age of television that started with the Soprano's. TV shows for the most part did used to all suck, and they're far, far better now. The sitcom format is and always has been campy and terrible (with few exceptions like Seinfield and Married With Children). Of course, the 90's are my nostalgia period, so maybe that has something to do with me still thinking those are funny.

Let me rephrase: Most mainstream network sitcoms suck today. How I Met Your Mother, Two Half Men, Big Bang and most of the other - all terrible to me. I even hated That 70's Show. I do find the others on the cable channels more entertaining - Sopranos, Breaking Bad, Mad Men, Boardwalk Empire, etc. From the 90's,  Friends was decent slapstick, as good as you can expect from slapstick I guess. I didn't dig Seinfeld much but I do appreciate it. I agree with Kaos on Frazier. Two shows I always liked were Wings and News Radio.

Hated hated hated Home Improvement. Its the epitomy of the type of sitcom I despise. I had a respect for Roseanne because it pushed the envelope on certain things that were maybe taboo, but jumped the shark with the whole Lottery/Dan Dying/Its all a dream angle.
Title: Re: The Shark Once Jumped...
Post by: GarMan on April 05, 2012, 01:37:11 PM
I feel like we're actually in a Golden Age of television...

Mainstream Prime Time television sucks worse than ever today for an abundance of obvious reasons.  There might be a handful of shows worth watching when you have absolutely nothing better to do, but I find myself spending the majority of my TV time on the History channels, Discovery, Science, some of the news and business channels and Sports, especially The Ocho.  Seriously, 90+% of the crap coming out of Hollyweird isn't worth a shit. 
Title: Re: The Shark Once Jumped...
Post by: Tarheel on April 05, 2012, 02:14:42 PM
I can't watch a full episode of Andy Griffith without falling asleep.

Give me American Horror Story, Eastbound & Down, Curb Your Enthusiasm, Increasingly Poor Decisions of Todd Margaret, and at least a dozen other shows currently on the air a thousand times before an episode of Andy Griffith.

Wes is right. Nostalgia is kinder than time.


You better pump your brakes kid.  That man is a state treasure in my native home.
 :poke:


TV shows were mostly crap back then and they are still mostly crap with few exceptions.
Title: Re: The Shark Once Jumped...
Post by: Snaggletiger on April 05, 2012, 02:58:29 PM
I think one thing you have to take into account with us "older" guys is that when Andy Griffith, Beverly Hillbillies etc. were on, that was all that was on.  We only had NBC, ABC, CBS and PBS.  You lived for those shows then and had little to compare them with.  Came at a time when the most "potty mouth" humor you could find was on Dean Martin's variety show or Johnny Carson.  It just didn't exist for the most part.  Now, a lot of shows have gone so far over the top with cussing a sexual references, they just look like they're trying too hard and stop being funny.  Now you know the Snags, I loves me some dirty jokes and women's naughty parts.  I'm just saying today it seems like most sitcoms and other shows try to be filthy because they think that's the only thing that sells.

May be lame to some but I've gotten into 2 1/2 Men reruns and laugh my ass off.  Yeah, it's all about sex and funny as hell.  But I laugh just as hard every time I see Deputy Barney P. try to recite the Preamble to the Constitution.   

 
Title: Re: The Shark Once Jumped...
Post by: GH2001 on April 05, 2012, 03:20:59 PM
I think one thing you have to take into account with us "older" guys is that when Andy Griffith, Beverly Hillbillies etc. were on, that was all that was on.  We only had NBC, ABC, CBS and PBS.  You lived for those shows then and had little to compare them with.  Came at a time when the most "potty mouth" humor you could find was on Dean Martin's variety show or Johnny Carson.  It just didn't exist for the most part.  Now, a lot of shows have gone so far over the top with cussing a sexual references, they just look like they're trying too hard and stop being funny.  Now you know the Snags, I loves me some dirty jokes and women's naughty parts.  I'm just saying today it seems like most sitcoms and other shows try to be filthy because they think that's the only thing that sells.

May be lame to some but I've gotten into 2 1/2 Men reruns and laugh my ass off.  Yeah, it's all about sex and funny as hell.  But I laugh just as hard every time I see Deputy Barney P. try to recite the Preamble to the Constitution.

Laugh my ass off as well to that particular episode....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBuPQgV8yBM# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBuPQgV8yBM#)
Title: Re: The Shark Once Jumped...
Post by: Kaos on April 06, 2012, 08:47:41 AM
I can't watch a full episode of Andy Griffith without falling asleep.

Give me American Horror Story, Eastbound & Down, Curb Your Enthusiasm, Increasingly Poor Decisions of Todd Margaret, and at least a dozen other shows currently on the air a thousand times before an episode of Andy Griffith.

BLASPHEMY

Andy Griffith  is one of the greatest shows in the history of television. Yes it's simpler.  We don't have to see Andy's ass as he walks through the kitchen.  There are no steamy scenes of Miss Ellie's foot rubbing Andy's back as the two writhe in carnal bliss. There's no profanity, no homoerotic undertones, no evil scheming, no leering innuendo.  Good and bad is pretty clearly defined.

Almost every episode (and there are some clunkers, but they're few and far between) illustrates a solid moral principle, one we'd all be better if we followed. It's not biblical, per se, but it does provide great insight on the human condition. 

As ridiculous as it sounds I aspire to be the father and man that Andy illustrated. I want to believe in my kids as much as he did when Opie met Mr. McBeevy, I want to be as wise as he was when he had Opie raise the baby birds, and be strong enough to teach my kids that sometimes you have to stand up for your rights even in the face of long odds -- or a bully.  I want to be as compassionate as he is toward people who don't deserve it -- The Darlings, Ben Weaver or Ernest T. -- and as loyal as he is toward his friends, who also don't deserve it - Barney. I want to be as patient as he is with the crass stupidity of people in general (like Floyd). I hope to elevate myself by elevating those around me.  And I'd like to possess his honesty and sense of fairness.

When you're ranking the greatest shows in television history, Andy is right near the top.  The Andy before color, before Deputy huh yeah, before Emmit, before Howard and before RFD that is.
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Post by: Buzz Killington on April 06, 2012, 09:01:03 AM
I don't know, Kaos.  There were some pretty steamy episodes of the Andy Griffith Show.  Like the time the butter and egg man was supposedly calling on Aunt Bea.  She buttered him up, and he egged her on...
Don't get me started on the Fun Girls from Mt. Pilot, or the time the escaped cons had Barney held hostage.
Title: Re: The Shark Once Jumped...
Post by: GH2001 on April 06, 2012, 09:14:44 AM
I don't know, Kaos.  There were some pretty steamy episodes of the Andy Griffith Show.  Like the time the butter and egg man was supposedly calling on Aunt Bea.  She buttered him up, and he egged her on...
Don't get me started on the Fun Girls from Mt. Pilot, or the time the escaped cons had Barney held hostage.

Cue jr, Dallas and snags to fire up the underground Mayberry discussion again.

We all know mr darling was the one really nailing aunt bea (while jugging). And we all know when bea went to the store late she was really in the back of the barber shop with Floyd after hours.
Title: Re: The Shark Once Jumped...
Post by: Buzz Killington on April 06, 2012, 09:16:56 AM
Cue jr, Dallas and snags to fire up the underground Mayberry discussion again.

We all know mr darling was the one really nailing aunt bea (while jugging). And we all know when bea went to the store late she was really in the back of the barber shop with Floyd after hours.

I seriously doubt Floyd was nailing Aunt Bea.  Now, Goober on the other hand...
Title: Re: The Shark Once Jumped...
Post by: GH2001 on April 06, 2012, 09:19:39 AM
I seriously doubt Floyd was nailing Aunt Bea.  Now, Goober on the other hand...

The show takes on a new kind of funny when you start pondering their sex lives.

Judy Judy Judy
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Post by: Buzz Killington on April 06, 2012, 09:24:35 AM
The show takes on a new kind of funny when you start pondering their sex lives.

Judy Judy Judy

And Earnest T. giving the bidness to "Romina" Wiley in his army uneeform.
Title: Re: The Shark Once Jumped...
Post by: Godfather on August 06, 2012, 03:18:32 PM
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Who's ready for some football?



Wes Williams, Jr. is!!!
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Post by: wesfau2 on August 06, 2012, 03:28:24 PM
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Who's ready for some football?



Wes Williams, Jr. is!!!

Ugh...looks like the unholy spawn of me and chadskins.
Title: Re: The Shark Once Jumped...
Post by: Godfather on August 06, 2012, 03:31:26 PM
Ugh...looks like the unholy spawn of me and chadskins.
rofl
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Post by: AUChizad on August 06, 2012, 03:44:31 PM
Ugh...looks like the unholy spawn of me and chadskins.

 :thumsup:

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Title: Re: The Shark Once Jumped...
Post by: GH2001 on August 06, 2012, 04:01:34 PM
Ugh...looks like the unholy spawn of me and chadskins.

Holy crap.....
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Post by: Tiger Wench on August 22, 2012, 01:24:36 PM
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'The Office' will end next season
by James Hibberd

 NBC is closing The Office.

The veteran comedy — and NBC’s highest-rated scripted series (gulp!) — will conclude after the upcoming ninth season.

Despite its status as the network’s top entertainment program, the show fell to an all-time ratings low last season following the exit of Steve Carell and general sense among fans that the comedy’s best days were behind it. Now original showrunner (seasons 1-5) Greg Daniels is retaking the creative reins for one last season.

“This year feels like the last chance to really go out together and make an artistic ending for the show that pays off a lot of the stuff that matters most to fans,” Daniels announced to reporters Tuesday. “This will be the last season of The Office. And we’re planning a very big exciting last season. We’re going to have a lot of faces coming back … There are a lot of things that I’ve personally been wanting to do since season two … All questions will be answered this year. We’re going to see who’s behind the documentary … Now that we know we have an end date we can blow things up and take some chances and it will be very freeing, creatively.”

The decision was partly driven by the sense that many of the actors would likely not be around for a tenth season (either due to commitments on other projects, like Mindy Kaling and Rainn Wilson, or due to the rising cost of the show’s key players, like John Krasinski and Jenna Fischer). “You have a choice — only tell the beginning of story and the middle, or allow a story to end,” Daniels said. “If we didn’t let it end this year, I don’t think we would have been able to tell the ending stories of so many characters… we couldn’t count on getting everybody back for season 10.”

That said, creatively rebooting the show was considered. “You could see a world where new people keep coming on the show,” Daniels said. “But I think [we want to] do justice to the existing characters in the most creative and explosive way and that means the show will be changed to such a degree that if anything was to continue it wouldn’t be the same show.”

The showrunner said to expect some “crazy Dwight” stories, a lot of drama in the Jim and Pam storyline, to see Roy’s wedding and David Wallace running Dunder Mifflin. But will the show’s former star, Carell, be back? “We would certainly wish for it,” Daniels said. “We’re not going to put so much pressure on Steve by writing something that would only work if he would return. He really loves how he was exited. He’s probably anxious about not messing up such a stylish exit. It’s a perfectly legitimate point. We’ll see.”

Here’s Daniels talking to EW.com about The Office a few days ago (and much more vaguely):

EntertainmentWeekly: Broadly, what can fans expect to be new/different about season 9?

Greg Daniels: We will be doing more [character] arcs, and more drama in the Jim and Pam story line. We are planning some big surprises … I’m guessing the show will feel more like Dunder-Mifflin from before the Sabre merger [when former showrunner Paul Lieberstein took over].

Given the age of the show and the spinoff plans [The Farm], are you expecting to write a series finale next season?

Daniels: Considering we are still NBC’s highest-rated scripted show, with a cast of 17 all-stars, any decision about a series finale will be made for creative reasons only. [Which, clearly, have now been made].

What can you tell us about [new hire] Jake Lacy’s character, how does he impact things?

Daniels: Jake Lacy and Clark Duke are both hired to handle the enormous number of customer service complaints that Kelly [Mindy Kaling] neglected over the years. They are pals and in their mid 20s.
How much will David Denman [Roy -- Pam's former love interest] be in the show? And Mindy Kaling will be in two episodes?

Daniels: So far, David Denman and Mindy have shot one episode each. I hope to get a few more out of them before the season is over.

Any other new characters or departures that we don’t already know about?

Daniels: All you know about the season are a couple of scraps of hiring information that we couldn’t hide. The other surprises will impact on air.