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The Library => The SGA => Topic started by: djsimp on December 16, 2011, 03:47:42 PM
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I think we all know that Gingrich has had issues in the past. Now that he seems to be the Republican front-runner, it was only a matter of time that the Dems played on it. This particular article doesn't seem to damning but I am sure many more are to follow.
The article is just way too long so I just quoted the first paragraph. Go to the link for the rest.
http://news.yahoo.com/fbi-considered-sting-aimed-gingrich-014000611.html (http://news.yahoo.com/fbi-considered-sting-aimed-gingrich-014000611.html)
It is a curious case in the annals of the FBI: The bureau considered a sting operation against then-House Speaker Newt Gingrich after sifting through allegations from a notorious arms dealer that a $10 million bribe might get Congress to lift the Iraqi arms embargo.
The FBI ended up calling off the operation in June 1997. It decided there was no evidence that Gingrich knew anything about the conversations the arms dealer was secretly recording with a man who said he was acting on behalf of Gingrich’s then-wife, Marianne, according to people with knowledge of the investigation.
But details of the case, which became public this week in an article and documents posted online by a nonprofit journalist, show how a series of second- and third-hand conversations alleging that the top man in Congress might be for sale caught the attention of federal investigators.
“There are so many falsehoods,” Marianne Gingrich said Thursday. “The FBI, they should have been protecting me, not going after me. This is scary stuff.”
Her lawyer, Victoria Toensing, said: “There was no basis whatsoever for an investigation. These were people puffing, which means they were making up access to a high-level goverment person.”
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The GOP establishment is going after him hard. Bachmann should be ashamed of herself for lying. I hate that bitch.
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The GOP establishment is going after him hard. Bachmann should be ashamed of herself for lying. I hate that bitch.
I told you muthafuckas early on about that Gingrich would be a top player. Not only does the Dems agree by their actions but so do the Pubs. Its gonna be interesting to see what both groups throw at him because they know that he is now a serious contender. Please be posting it here. I like Cain, but he folded. Gingrich at least will fight the hell out of it. At this point I want to see Gingrich make it the finals with Obama on the other podium just so I can see Gingrich eat his fucking lunch and make Obama like it.
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Remember when I said this should be a landslide for the Republicans but they were going to run their version of John Kerry and Obama will have four more years. I still stand by that. He is being attacked by both sides and it will keep him from getting elected. I just don't see him beating Obama. The only bit of silver lining is that they should gain back majority control of the house and senate and it will make him a lame duck the last 4 years. The only problem with that is I don't know that we can take four years of nothing getting accomplished.
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Remember when I said this should be a landslide for the Republicans but they were going to run their version of John Kerry and Obama will have four more years. I still stand by that. He is being attacked by both sides and it will keep him from getting elected. I just don't see him beating Obama. The only bit of silver lining is that they should gain back majority control of the house and senate and it will make him a lame duck the last 4 years. The only problem with that is I don't know that we can take four years of nothing getting accomplished.
I somewhat agree with you here but regardless of how much shit is thrown at Newt, he'll has the mojo to fight back. I do think that he would kill Obama in any debates; it would be the Roast of Barak Obama. I also think it would depend upon who he has as his running mate.
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The ONLY way Obama will have a leg to stand on against Newt is if he doesn't debate him.
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This may get kind of fun.
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/newt-gingrich-unloads-mitt-romney-ron-paul-hampshire-184017787.html (http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/newt-gingrich-unloads-mitt-romney-ron-paul-hampshire-184017787.html)
Newt Gingrich unloads on Mitt Romney and Ron Paul in New Hampshire
By Chris Moody
Newt Gingrich talks to reporters after a campaign stop, Wednesday in Concord, N.H. (AP)
CONCORD, N.H. -- They poked the bear one too many times.
After a long effort to stay on message and stick to discussing his ideas for the future, Newt Gingrich on Wednesday morning unloaded on Mitt Romney and Ron Paul in front of reporters here. Gingrich's choice of targets was clearly deliberate, since Paul and Romney have spent millions attacking him directly in campaign ads, and indirectly through surrogates, over the past month.
And now, it seems, Newt's had enough. In one lengthy sentence, Gingrich recited his rendition of Romney's biography. Among other things, Gingrich blasted Romney for backing "the most liberal" Democratic presidential candidate in 1992, for signing an abortion provision into the Massachusetts health care law passed under his leadership and for being "to the left" of most in the party.
"Governor Romney was first an independent, then repudiated Reagan-Bush, then voted for Paul Tsongas, the most liberal candidate in the '92 campaign, then ran to the left of Teddy Kennedy in 1994, then became a moderate to run for governor in 2002, and then with Romneycare, for example, that included state-funded abortions and specifically designating Planned Parenthood as a part of Romneycare, appointed liberal judges in order to placate Democrats and raised taxes on businesses, which I think is a job-killing approach," Gingrich said. "The contrast will be very wide and that will be a key part of what we describe going forward. I suspect it's going to be a very lively campaign."
His comments are part of a new effort to show a heightened "contrast" between him and his competitors.
Gingrich predicted that Romney would do "fairly well" in New Hampshire, a state where he is consistently polling at around 40 percent, but added that the party's conservative base is by no means sold on the former Massachusetts governor. "The fact is, in the end, Governor Romney has a very limited appeal in a conservative party," Gingrich announced, noting that Romney "failed totally to change Boston" during his governorship. When given an opportunity to congratulate Romney for winning in Iowa, Gingrich passed.
"I find it amazing that the news media continues to say he's the most electable Republican when he can't even break out of his own party," Gingrich went on to say, adding finally: "Governor Romney will get the message."
Then, when provoked by a reporter's question in which she read a new quote from Ron Paul that accused Gingrich of dodging the draft during Vietnam, Gingrich took aim at the Texas congressman.
"What he just said has about the same amount of accuracy as the newsletters he said he never wrote," Gingrich said, referring to a series of mailings published under Paul's name in the 1980s and 1990s that included several racist and incendiary passages. "This is a man who says wild and outrageous things with no facts and later denies that he said them or wonders who wrote them because it couldn't have been him."
As for the specific charge--that Gingrich evaded his duty by not serving in the military during the war--he said he received an automatic deferment because he was the father of two children at the time. (He probably wasn't fit to serve, anyhow. Gingrich's step-father, who was a career solider in the U.S. Army, said in an interview in 1996 that his son had "two of the flattest feet that there ever was" and that "he was never physically capable or qualified to be military.")
Gingrich signaled last week that he was planning to increasingly emphasize the records of his competitors. The Gingrich campaign also has a new ad buy in the works that it will unveil sometime this week.
Newt Gingrich talks to reporters after a campaign stop, Wednesday in Concord, N.H. (AP)
CONCORD, N.H. -- They poked the bear one too many times.
After a long effort to stay on message and stick to discussing his ideas for the future, Newt Gingrich on Wednesday morning unloaded on Mitt Romney and Ron Paul in front of reporters here. Gingrich's choice of targets was clearly deliberate, since Paul and Romney have spent millions attacking him directly in campaign ads, and indirectly through surrogates, over the past month.
And now, it seems, Newt's had enough. In one lengthy sentence, Gingrich recited his rendition of Romney's biography. Among other things, Gingrich blasted Romney for backing "the most liberal" Democratic presidential candidate in 1992, for signing an abortion provision into the Massachusetts health care law passed under his leadership and for being "to the left" of most in the party.
"Governor Romney was first an independent, then repudiated Reagan-Bush, then voted for Paul Tsongas, the most liberal candidate in the '92 campaign, then ran to the left of Teddy Kennedy in 1994, then became a moderate to run for governor in 2002, and then with Romneycare, for example, that included state-funded abortions and specifically designating Planned Parenthood as a part of Romneycare, appointed liberal judges in order to placate Democrats and raised taxes on businesses, which I think is a job-killing approach," Gingrich said. "The contrast will be very wide and that will be a key part of what we describe going forward. I suspect it's going to be a very lively campaign."
His comments are part of a new effort to show a heightened "contrast" between him and his competitors.
Gingrich predicted that Romney would do "fairly well" in New Hampshire, a state where he is consistently polling at around 40 percent, but added that the party's conservative base is by no means sold on the former Massachusetts governor. "The fact is, in the end, Governor Romney has a very limited appeal in a conservative party," Gingrich announced, noting that Romney "failed totally to change Boston" during his governorship. When given an opportunity to congratulate Romney for winning in Iowa, Gingrich passed.
"I find it amazing that the news media continues to say he's the most electable Republican when he can't even break out of his own party," Gingrich went on to say, adding finally: "Governor Romney will get the message."
Then, when provoked by a reporter's question in which she read a new quote from Ron Paul that accused Gingrich of dodging the draft during Vietnam, Gingrich took aim at the Texas congressman.
"What he just said has about the same amount of accuracy as the newsletters he said he never wrote," Gingrich said, referring to a series of mailings published under Paul's name in the 1980s and 1990s that included several racist and incendiary passages. "This is a man who says wild and outrageous things with no facts and later denies that he said them or wonders who wrote them because it couldn't have been him."
As for the specific charge--that Gingrich evaded his duty by not serving in the military during the war--he said he received an automatic deferment because he was the father of two children at the time. (He probably wasn't fit to serve, anyhow. Gingrich's step-father, who was a career solider in the U.S. Army, said in an interview in 1996 that his son had "two of the flattest feet that there ever was" and that "he was never physically capable or qualified to be military.")
Gingrich signaled last week that he was planning to increasingly emphasize the records of his competitors. The Gingrich campaign also has a new ad buy in the works that it will unveil sometime this week.
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This may get kind of fun.
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/newt-gingrich-unloads-mitt-romney-ron-paul-hampshire-184017787.html (http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/newt-gingrich-unloads-mitt-romney-ron-paul-hampshire-184017787.html)
He should have a long time ago when it was obvious that Mitt didn't give a fuck about the issues.
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He should have a long time ago when it was obvious that Mitt didn't give a fuck about the issues.
Yeah, but I bet you old Flat-foot can bring the pain. I am curious to see this new ad.
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http://news.yahoo.com/gingrich-black-people-paychecks-not-food-aid-234405279.html (http://news.yahoo.com/gingrich-black-people-paychecks-not-food-aid-234405279.html)
..Gingrich to black people: paychecks, not food aid
By SUZANNE GAMBOA | AP
Republican presidential candidate Newt Gingrich said Thursday he is willing to go before the NAACP and urge blacks to demand paychecks, not food stamps.
Gingrich told a town hall meeting at a senior center in Plymouth, N.H., that if the NAACP invites him to its annual convention this year, he'd go there and talk about "why the African-American community should demand paychecks and not be satisfied with food stamps."
He also said he'd pitch a new Social Security program aimed at helping young people, particularly African-American males, who he said get the smallest return on Social Security.
Gingrich routinely lambasts President Barack Obama as the "best food stamp president in American history." He also has spoken previously about welcoming an invitation from the NAACP to speak and has been critical of GOP candidates who have not accepted such an invitation.
The National Association for the Advancement of Colored People had no immediate comment on Gingrich's remarks. His campaign spokesman, R.C. Hammond, said the former Georgia congressman has often said the GOP needs to be inclusive of all Americans.
"He has said since he became a presidential candidate that any Republican should always accept an invitation to speak to the NAACP on any topic," Hammond said.
Gingrich's comments follow those by rival candidate Rick Santorum, a former senator from Pennsylvania who said Sunday that he did not want to "make black people's lives better by giving them somebody else's money. I want to give them the opportunity to go out and earn the money."
Santorum's comments were criticized by National Urban League President Marc H. Morial as pandering to racist elements within the GOP. Morial also said that 70 percent of people on food stamps are white. The Agriculture Department does not break down food stamp participation rates by race.
NAACP President Ben Jealous also criticized Santorum's remarks.
Food stamp participation and costs have risen under Obama, from 28.2 million participants at a cost of $37.6 billion in 2008 to 44.7 million participants at a cost of $75.3 billion last year, according to federal data of what is officially known as the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program. The increases followed the steep economic downturn that began in 2008.
Gingrich said if he has a chance to go before the NAACP, he would explain a "brand-new Social Security opportunity" for young people, "which would be particularly good for African-American males, because they are the group that gets the smallest return on Social Security."
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This is essentially what he did as Speaker with Welfare to Work. It was brilliant and worked like a charm. People really need to remember the effect of his policies in the 90's. Good times indeed.
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What color are these "Colored People"?
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What color are these "Colored People"?
Well apparently they're not white. To be honest, I have yet to see a black person.
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Hey Newt, you know you can probably get you one of those scheduling calendars for free right?
http://news.yahoo.com/wheres-newt-sc-campaign-stumbles-plague-gingrich-151013688.html (http://news.yahoo.com/wheres-newt-sc-campaign-stumbles-plague-gingrich-151013688.html)
..Where's Newt? SC campaign stumbles plague Gingrich
By JULIE PACE | Associated Press
COLUMBIA, S.C. (AP) — Republican presidential candidate Newt Gingrich was greeted with a standing ovation when he was announced at a barbecue.
Too bad the former House speaker wasn't around to see it.
He was inexplicably missing, and his absence forced the event's moderator to ask awkwardly, "Can we check and see where the speaker is?"
It was just one in a string of clumsy, head-scratching events staged by the Gingrich campaign since the Republican primary moved to South Carolina, a state that the candidate says he must win if he wants a shot at the nomination.
The chain of slip-ups raises questions about the campaign's staffing and organizational skills, issues that have haunted Gingrich during the 2012 race.
Gingrich's campaign manager and other senior advisers resigned en masse in June after disagreeing with the candidate about the direction of the campaign. In a bureaucratic blunder, the campaign failed to meet the requirements to get Gingrich on the ballot in Virginia, where Gingrich lives.
If Gingrich's campaign survives next Saturday's South Carolina contest, the organizational challenges will only grow.
Florida, the next state on the primary calendar, is a complex, expensive and often unwieldy battleground. That vote is Jan. 31.
In at least one instance in South Carolina, Gingrich's campaign missteps have given his opponents a chance to take advantage.
With Gingrich running late to Friday's barbecue in Duncan, the only other candidate at the event stepped up and stepped in.
Former Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santorum worked the room with his wife, Karen, scoring valuable one-on-one time with the conservative and evangelical voters that both he and Gingrich are courting.
Gingrich also was running late to two events Thursday in Columbia, where he was being introduced by a former ally in the U.S. House, ex-Oklahoma Rep. J.C. Watts. Both times, Watts had to stall. At one point, Watts told the crowd that he only had three minutes of material prepared, but was going to need to talk far longer.
"I think I see the speaker's bus!" he finally exclaimed, a hint of relief in his voice.
Gingrich's choice of venue has also seemed off-base at times given the voting bloc he needs to win South Carolina.
One of the events where he kept Watts waiting was a home-ownership rally that appeared to be dominated by Democratic speakers and attendees.
On Saturday, Gingrich attended a question-and-answer session at a black church. Yet blacks made up just 2 percent of voters in the 2008 South Carolina GOP primary, according to exit polls.
Oh, and it looked like nobody checked to make sure the microphones were working at the church forum.
The first questioner, E.T. Williams, tried two different hand-held microphones, but neither worked. As staff scrambled to fix the problem, Williams, a Democrat and supporter of President Barack Obama — joked that someone must not have wanted him to ask what turned out be critical questions of Gingrich.
Technical problems have plagued the Gingrich campaign during their telephone conferences with voters in other parts of the country.
A call scheduled for Saturday morning never took place. The dial-in number was invalid.
The campaign set up a new number for a Saturday night call with Florida voters. This time the number worked, and Gingrich was able to field questions from several voters.
But the call wasn't incident-free.
There was nothing but silence on the other end of the line when the moderator introduced the first two questioners. The issue was resolved, but not before Gingrich himself raised an important question.
"I wonder if we're having a technical problem," Gingrich said.
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Hey Newt, you know you can probably get you one of those scheduling calendars for free right?
http://news.yahoo.com/wheres-newt-sc-campaign-stumbles-plague-gingrich-151013688.html (http://news.yahoo.com/wheres-newt-sc-campaign-stumbles-plague-gingrich-151013688.html)
I do know he spanked Romney's ass last night in the debate. Badly.
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I do know he spanked Romney's ass last night in the debate. Badly.
What I watched, he kicked everyones ass last night. It wasn't even close.
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What I watched, he kicked everyones ass last night. It wasn't even close.
I didn't watch but from what I have read I agree. Newt needs to leave SC with a win in a bad way. I think we all knew that once Newt put his boots on, he was gonna kick some ass. I guess its a good thing that Romney had been taking so many punches at Newt.
I think we have us a ballgame folks.
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What I watched, he kicked everyones ass last night. It wasn't even close.
Like you, I dont care for Santorum much, but I did like how he punched Romney a few times for not answering the question he asked (which was a trap question that Romney fell right into) about Felons being able to vote. Romney - like he always does - danced around the question, gave generics and made excuses. Such a politician. Reminds me of the guy in the WH now. No specifics, just generics and catch phrases. Ive done a total 180 on Newt since the Summer. The guy has ideas. Economic ideas. And the last time he did that the country was as prosperous as it ever was (1994-2000). Romney has a track record in office of actually raising taxes and unemployment going UP. People need to wake up to this clown.
Oh and Ron Paul? Total lost me on the Foreign Policy garbage he keeps spitting out. The whole "its our fault the Arabs attack us and are mad at the world" line of crap. Know your audience in SC dickhead. So was it our fault from the 7th century to the 15th century: Roman–Persian Wars, Byzantine–Sassanid Wars, Byzantine-Sassanid War of 602–628, and Siege of Constantinople?
Or Conquest of Persia and Iraq: 633–651, Conquest of Transoxiana: 662–709, Conquest of Sindh: 664–712, Conquest of Hispania 711–718, Conquest of Septimania 719–720, Conquest of the Caucasus: 711–750, Umayyad conquests: 718–750, Conquest of Nubia: 700–1606, Incursions into southern Italy: 831–902, Conquest of Anatolia: 1060–1360, Byzantine-Ottoman Wars: 1299–1453???
Did the US piss them off then? Paul doesn't get that these folks are fanatics and hate anyone NOT like them. It is what it is. Yes, they do hate us for what we are Ron Paul! Perhaps he should listen to Billy Joel's "We Didn't Start the Fire". And the constant taking up or Iran......SMH. :sad: :facepalm:
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People need to wake up to this clown.
If anything good comes of these debates, I think this will be one that we can count on. Again, Romney has taken one too many punches at Newt. Payback is a bitch.
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http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/cnn-rick-perry-end-campaign-141912141.html (http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/cnn-rick-perry-end-campaign-141912141.html)
Rick Perry ends presidential campaign, endorses Newt Gingrich
By Chris Moody
Political Reporter
Rick Perry ended his presidential campaign Thursday and endorsed Newt Gingrich's candidacy for the 2012 Republican presidential nomination.
At a press conference in Charleston, S.C., Perry called Gingrich "a conservative visionary who can transform our country."
"Newt is not perfect, but who among us is?" Perry said. "The fact is, there is forgiveness for those who seek God." He mentioned the importance of redemption to Christianity.
In an interview with ABC News that is scheduled to be broadcast Thursday on Nightline, Gingrich's second ex-wife, Marianne, says the former Speaker of the House "wanted an open marriage."
At an event in Beaufort, S.C., on Thursday, Gingrich said Perry would lead a "Tenth Amendment enforcement project" for his campaign, "reaching out to every governor in the country of both parties, reaching out to mayors, reaching out to state legislatures and working with conservative legislators in Washington so that we can have a very strong platform plank in Tampa in August on the Tenth Amendment."
Perry, who catapulted to the top of public-opinion polls when he first announced his candidacy last summer, placed a disappointing fifth in the Iowa caucuses and sixth in the New Hampshire primaries, where he received less than 1 percent of the vote.
South Carolina Republicans will vote in the state's primaries on Saturday.
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http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/cnn-rick-perry-end-campaign-141912141.html (http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/cnn-rick-perry-end-campaign-141912141.html)
Its a two man race really at this point. Anyone else seen the poll numbers for all the major states left?
Santorum and Paul are flashes in the pan. They are the Rudy and Huckabee of this election. Santorum doesnt have a ton of money left to go very far and Paul will only have his 12-20% moonbat loon base in every state. Move the majority of Perry and Santorum's votes to Newt and you have yourself a new ballgame.
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http://news.yahoo.com/exclusive-gingrich-lacks-moral-character-president-ex-wife-135852543--abc-news.html (http://news.yahoo.com/exclusive-gingrich-lacks-moral-character-president-ex-wife-135852543--abc-news.html)
Gingrich Lacks Moral Character to Be President, Ex-Wife Says
By BRIAN ROSS and RHONDA SCHWARTZ | ABC News
Newt Gingrich lacks the moral character to serve as President, his second ex-wife Marianne told ABC News, saying his campaign positions on the sanctity of marriage and the importance of family values do not square with what she saw during their 18 years of marriage.
In her first television interview since the 1999 divorce, to be broadcast tonight on Nightline, Marianne Gingrich, a self-described conservative Republican, said she is coming forward now so voters can know what she knows about Gingrich.
Catch the full interview tonight on ABC News' Nightline at 11:35 p.m. ET.
In her most provocative comments, the ex-Mrs. Gingrich said Newt sought an "open marriage" arrangement so he could have a mistress and a wife.
She said when Gingrich admitted to a six-year affair with a Congressional aide, he asked her if she would share him with the other woman, Callista, who is now married to Gingrich.
"And I just stared at him and he said, 'Callista doesn't care what I do,'" Marianne Gingrich told ABC News. "He wanted an open marriage and I refused."
Marianne described her "shock" at Gingrich's behavior, including how she says she learned he conducted his affair with Callista "in my bedroom in our apartment in Washington."
"He always called me at night," she recalled, "and always ended with 'I love you.' Well, she was listening."
All this happened, she said, during the same time Gingrich condemned President Bill Clinton for his lack of moral leadership.
She said Newt moved for the divorce just months after she had been diagnosed with Multiple Sclerosis, with her then-husband present.
"He also was advised by the doctor when I was sitting there that I was not to be under stress. He knew," she said.
Gingrich divorced his first wife, Jackie, as she was being treated for cancer. His relationship with Marianne began while he was still married to Jackie but in divorce proceedings, Marianne said.
There was no immediate comment from Gingrich on his ex-wife's allegations. Gingrich has said during the campaign he has "no relationship" with Marianne.
While she had been quoted earlier as saying she could end his career, Marianne Gingrich defended Newt's ethics while he served in Congress and came under several ethics investigations.
"At the time, I believed him to be ethical," she said in the interview.
The former Mrs. Gingrich says Newt began to plan a run for President at the time of the divorce and told her that Callista "was going to help him become President."
In a statement to ABC News provided by the campaign, Gingrich's two daughters from his first marriage said, "The failure of a marriage is a terrible and emotional experience for everyone involved."
The daughters, Kathy Lubbers and Jackie Cushman said they would not say anything negative about Marianne and said their father "regrets any pain he may have caused in the past to people he loves."
Marianne Gingrich said Newt has never expressed any such regrets or apologized to her.
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http://news.yahoo.com/exclusive-gingrich-lacks-moral-character-president-ex-wife-135852543--abc-news.html (http://news.yahoo.com/exclusive-gingrich-lacks-moral-character-president-ex-wife-135852543--abc-news.html)
The timing with the debate tonight and election 48 hours away is not suspicious at all.
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The timing with the debate tonight and election 48 hours away is not suspicious at all.
If Newt plays his cards right, he can use this to his advantage.
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Hell hath no fury....
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Hell hath no fury....
To hell with that skank... We don't even know if what she's claiming is true. Wasn't this the same woman who cheated with Newt, while he was still married to his first wife? She's a reliable source of information. Nothing more than sour grapes, even if what she's claiming were true.
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To hell with that skank... We don't even know if what she's claiming is true. Wasn't this the same woman who cheated with Newt, while he was still married to his first wife? She's a reliable source of information. Nothing more than sour grapes, even if what she's claiming were true.
It's been over 11 years since he rolled over and patted that thang. She is one mo bitter chick.
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It's been over 11 years since he rolled over and patted that thang. She is one mo bitter chick.
True but like I said if Newt plays this right, he can use it to his advantage. I believe he is smart man, and if he is as smart as I think he is, he will use not hide behind the political curtains. The American people are tired of the fake ass Presidents. I truly believe if Newt hits this thing head on, the American people will see a real candidate.
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True but like I said if Newt plays this right, he can use it to his advantage. I believe he is smart man, and if he is as smart as I think he is, he will use not hide behind the political curtains. The American people are tired of the fake ass Presidents. I truly believe if Newt hits this thing head on, the American people will see a real candidate.
Although I hated that opening question last night by John King, it might have won Newt SC. Dude went off on CNN.
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Although I hated that opening question last night by John King, it might have won Newt SC. Dude went off on CNN.
I hate that I missed it. I head a snippet on the way into work this morning but wasn't really paying attention. Cliffs?
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I hate that I missed it. I head a snippet on the way into work this morning but wasn't really paying attention. Cliffs?
In bold really happened. The rest is just me funning because Santorum gets on my last nerve.
CNN Moderator John King: So, were gonna start the debate off by asking, Newt what he thinks about his ex wife spilling the beans about him on ABC right before the SC election. Mr Speaker, what do you think about that? Would you like to talk about that with us?
Newt: NO.....But I will. How dare you open this debate with that kind of crap. CNN is a real piece of shit for doing it. It doesn't get any more low down than that. And don't try to blame ABC. You chose to ask the question and it had nothing to do with the issues. You are a real piece of shit John and your network should be ashamed for doing, and so should you - little cocksucker. FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU!
CNN Mod: Umm ok, thanks Mr Speaker. I will ask the other candidates what they think about it as well.
Mitt Romney: Let's talk about the real issues, can we please?
Ron Paul: The media's always trying to make us look bad. That is what is happening here. Corporations own the media so they are to blame as well.
Rick Santorum: I'm a Christian. I'm going to heaven. I never cheated like Newt. He will have to answer to God one day. Did I mention I am a Christian? Ya know, we should really bring back family values. My father came from Italy and....
CNN Mod: Umm Mr Santorum, we didn't ask you about your father.
Santorum: Oh, right. Gotcha. Sorry, its just such a good story to tell. Makes me look like a regular Joe American.
NEWT: Yes we know Rick - you tell this story every 4 mins.
Santorum: Newt, are you going to heaven? Because I am pretty sure I am the only one on the stage who is. I am a Christian. I have values.
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See I would have whole heatedly believed all of that. Why? B/c Santorum is a dumbass and would say something like that.
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Newt tore that ass up tonight. Huge win. Blew Romney out of the water.
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The Romney camp is really desperate now.
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That debate won it for him. He went from 8 to 10% down to a 13.5% victory. If he had lost SC, he was out of it for the most part. Now he may just be in the catbird seat looking towards FL. FL conservatives are pretty conservative and would more than likely support Newt over Romney, it's the other so called Repubs from there will be interesting.
Dis gone be good!
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That debate won it for him. He went from 8 to 10% down to a 13.5% victory. If he had lost SC, he was out of it for the most part. Now he may just be in the catbird seat looking towards FL. FL conservatives are pretty conservative and would more than likely support Newt over Romney, it's the other so called Repubs from there will be interesting.
Dis gone be good!
I agree. Romney has a better chance in the Northern areas where the fluff Repubs are. I certainly expect to see Newt to sweep Dixie.
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That debate won it for him. He went from 8 to 10% down to a 13.5% victory. If he had lost SC, he was out of it for the most part. Now he may just be in the catbird seat looking towards FL. FL conservatives are pretty conservative and would more than likely support Newt over Romney, it's the other so called Repubs from there will be interesting.
Dis gone be good!
If Santorum would drop out, it would be over. Newt pulled 41% splitting the vote with him! Imagine if he gets 90% of Santorum's voters. That would have put him around 55-60%. Santorum staying in helps Romney.
And Ron Paul......I shake my head at this guy. I 100% agree with his economic train of thought. But he does a total brain fart on foreign policy and loses me. He will still have his 9-18% moonbat core, but he is NOT a threat.
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So, is Romneys bs adds starting to bite him in the ass?
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/power-players-abc-news/truth-squadding-romney-anti-gingrich-ads-020753202.html (http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/power-players-abc-news/truth-squadding-romney-anti-gingrich-ads-020753202.html)
............Truth squadding Romney’s anti-Gingrich ads
By Jonathan Karl, Richard Coolidge and Sherisse Pham
Spinners & Winners with Jonathan Karl
As we get closer to the critical Florida primary on Jan. 31, the rhetoric and spin among the Republican hopefuls Florida is just plain vicious. Take the anti-Newt Gingrich ad from Mitt Romney's supporters meant to blunt the former Speaker's momentum. The pro-Romney Super PAC is spending $5 million on ads in Florida. But is the ad fair?
The ad has some elements of truth — the former Speaker was indeed fined for ethics violations and he did earn a large sum of money from the troubled mortgage giant Freddie Mac. Fair enough. But the ad goes way over the line when it says that Gingrich co-sponsored a bill in Congress with Democratic leader Nancy Pelosi that would give $60 million a year to a UN program supporting China's brutal one-child policy.
That's a lot of spin, but it's just not true.
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So, is Romneys bs adds starting to bite him in the ass?
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/power-players-abc-news/truth-squadding-romney-anti-gingrich-ads-020753202.html (http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/power-players-abc-news/truth-squadding-romney-anti-gingrich-ads-020753202.html)
Iowa's evangelicals and hicks bought that crap from Romney and Santorum. It will not be as effective in most other states.
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Iowa's evangelicals and hicks bought that crap from Romney and Santorum. It will not be as effective in most other states.
Yup.
Santorum needs to drop off the face of the earth. No one would miss him. Ron Paul..........I love the ole coot, I actually agree with his foreign policy, If, IF we lived in a perfect world, but we don't, so it's batshit crazy. His economic policies would be spot on. I also think that it would be a good idea to have him as the Sec of Treasury.
I read something the other day about Paul, and he is going to be the winner. He knows that he can run 3rd party and kill the Republicans chances. Rumors are out that he is going to hold the party hostage and make them get tough and start to look into pushing his agenda to not run as a third part candidate. Pretty smart on his part. I wouldn't mind for some of his agenda to get pushed through. As long as it is not foreign policy related. Then again this is all rumor and he might not even be thinking this. He need not run third party if he cares about Rand's hopes as a politician. I have also noticed that some of the Ron Paul fringe saying "we can't wait for Rand to run". I chortle knowing that he is nothing like his dad when it comes to foreign relations.
I think if Newt can pick up some of Perry's supporters and if Santorum would go ahead and drop out, we are looking at Newt as being the nominee.
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I think if Newt can pick up some of Perry's supporters and if Santorum would go ahead and drop out, we are looking at Newt as being the nominee.
I think I read just a day after Perry decided to step out that he publicly supported Newt. This would help. I also think that the majority of Santorum supporters would also back Newt.
Also, it appears that Newt has big money backing him now.
http://news.yahoo.com/behind-gingrichs-rise-billionaire-pal-sheldon-adelson-150006162--abc-news.html (http://news.yahoo.com/behind-gingrichs-rise-billionaire-pal-sheldon-adelson-150006162--abc-news.html)
Behind Gingrich's Rise, Billionaire Pal Sheldon Adelson
By MATT NEGRIN | ABC News
Before Newt Gingrich dominated the South Carolina primary, a so-called super PAC supporting him spent millions of dollars savaging Mitt Romney in negative ads and fliers.
A driving force behind that super PAC is Sheldon Adelson, a Las Vegas casino tycoon who has translated his deep friendship with Gingrich into a financial bonanza to buoy his candidacy. Adelson gave the PAC, Winning Our Future, $5 million just before the South Carolina primary, and this week, his wife gave the group another $5 million.
The Adelsons make Mitt Romney look like Tom Joad. Adelson, the eighth-richest American, is worth more than $20 billion. He built the iconic Venetian hotel (and another in Macao to match) and has given to a host of Jewish causes — in addition to funding a nonprofit group that led to Gingrich's presidential run.
Adelson met Gingrich when he was the speaker of the House, and they bonded over their dedication to support Israel as Congress debated passing a bill that would encourage the American Embassy in Tel Aviv to be moved to Jerusalem, the capital. Since then they've been friends, with obvious benefits.
"He admires and likes Newt for his intellect and his creativity, and those are two traits that are very strong with Sheldon himself," said Robert List, a former governor of Nevada who was Adelson's legal counsel when he acquired the historic Sands Hotel. "It's no surprise that he's liked Newt from the beginning."
In October, Adelson attended a fundraiser for Gingrich at a Las Vegas restaurant owned by George Harris, a former political consultant who worked for the casino baron for years and ate lunch with him every day. They raised $60,000 for Gingrich.
Next week, Gingrich is due back at the restaurant, and so is Adelson, Harris said. Nevada's Republican caucus is Feb. 4.
"Sheldon Adelson — if he said he's going to do something, he does it," Harris said. "He's a humongous supporter of Newt. They're friends. They're buddies. It's a true relationship."
The money that the Adelsons have given to Winning Our Future is double what the super PAC has already spent to support Gingrich, which is just over $5 million as of Wednesday. It's unclear how much money the group has ready to spend, because super PACs aren't required to report how much they've raised until the end of January — after the four first primary contests.
Lifted by the donation from Adelson's wife, Winning Our Future is placing a big bet on the Florida primary, spending $6 million to run a TV ad that demonizes the health care plan that Romney led in Massachusetts.
The plan is awfully similar to what happened in South Carolina, where Romney's lead over the other candidates shrank by the day as the pro-Gingrich super PAC crowded the airwaves with anti-Romney commercials. Now the PAC is spending much more in Florida, though the Adelsons are said to have asked that the ads be positive.
"He wants to advance Newt's cause," List said. "He'll do what he can to help."
Gingrich was seen as a serious candidate only recently, months after Adelson first attended that Las Vegas fundraiser for him in October. The headlines were about Romney, and Gingrich was being called a long-shot. In some ways, Adelson's friends saw a parallel to a meeting with his senior staff when he was describing his vision to build a "new Las Vegas strip" in Macao.
"At that time, it was just a dream, and huge, involving billions and billions and billions of dollars," List said. "People were sitting around the table saying, 'Do you really think this could happen?' You know? And it did."
In an alternate universe, if Gingrich had never befriended Adelson years ago, the super PAC supporting the former speaker would probably have a significantly diminished effect. Perhaps South Carolina would have gone Romney's way, all but crowning him the nominee before January is over. Or maybe Gingrich's victory would have just been smaller.
Either way, Adelson reportedly doesn't expect anything in return from Gingrich. "Sheldon doesn't need anything from anybody," Harris said.
And those who know Adelson well say that despite his loyalty to Gingrich, he'll be quick to reopen his checkbook for Romney if the ex-governor wins the Republican nomination.
"I don't think there's any doubt that he would support Romney, absolutely not one doubt in the entire world," said Fred Zeidman, a Romney fundraiser who speaks often with Adelson and who was the chairman of the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Council (the Adelsons have donated profusely to the museum). "This is all about beating Barack Obama."
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I think I read just a day after Perry decided to step out that he publicly supported Newt. This would help. I also think that the majority of Santorum supporters would also back Newt.
Also, it appears that Newt has big money backing him now.
http://news.yahoo.com/behind-gingrichs-rise-billionaire-pal-sheldon-adelson-150006162--abc-news.html (http://news.yahoo.com/behind-gingrichs-rise-billionaire-pal-sheldon-adelson-150006162--abc-news.html)
With Romney's SUPER PACs and millions.......an eye for an eye.
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Pelosi knows....something
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Yup.
Santorum needs to drop off the face of the earth. No one would miss him. Ron Paul..........I love the ole coot, I actually agree with his foreign policy, If, IF we lived in a perfect world, but we don't, so it's batshit crazy. His economic policies would be spot on. I also think that it would be a good idea to have him as the Sec of Treasury.
I read something the other day about Paul, and he is going to be the winner. He knows that he can run 3rd party and kill the Republicans chances. Rumors are out that he is going to hold the party hostage and make them get tough and start to look into pushing his agenda to not run as a third part candidate. Pretty smart on his part. I wouldn't mind for some of his agenda to get pushed through. As long as it is not foreign policy related. Then again this is all rumor and he might not even be thinking this. He need not run third party if he cares about Rand's hopes as a politician. I have also noticed that some of the Ron Paul fringe saying "we can't wait for Rand to run". I chortle knowing that he is nothing like his dad when it comes to foreign relations.
I think if Newt can pick up some of Perry's supporters and if Santorum would go ahead and drop out, we are looking at Newt as being the nominee.
Then there is the fact that Ron Paul's claim that the reason the Arabs have been pissed at the world for eternity due to America, is factually inaccurate as hell. I posted a few pages back last week, these folks have been running crusades against "infidels" long before the US was even thought about.
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This may sting a little.....for Gingrich anyways.
http://news.yahoo.com/gingrich-under-fire-conservative-media-093418787.html (http://news.yahoo.com/gingrich-under-fire-conservative-media-093418787.html)
Gingrich under fire from conservative media
By BETH FOUHY | Associated Press – 5 hrs ago....Email
Forget the so-called liberal media. Right now Newt Gingrich's most ardent critics are conservative pundits and columnists, many of whom have launched aggressive campaigns to discredit him and trip up his run for the Republican nomination.
This crew has largely been lukewarm about Gingrich's chief rival, Mitt Romney, considering him too moderate. But their open criticism of Gingrich is evidence that for all their misgivings about the former Massachusetts governor, they see him as a much stronger contender against President Barack Obama.
To hear columnists Ann Coulter and Charles Krauthammer and the conservative media aggregator Matt Drudge tell it, Gingrich is an inconsistent conservative who didn't fully support President Ronald Reagan and whose undisciplined nature mirrored that of President Bill Clinton, who was Gingrich's Democratic adversary in the 1990s.
The conservative media hits against Gingrich have come with force just as the GOP establishment seems to be rallying around Romney in earnest, perhaps out of fear that Gingrich may end up winning the nomination.
On Thursday, Romney's campaign released a scathing open letter from the 1996 Republican presidential nominee, Bob Dole, who served as Senate Republican leader when Gingrich presided over the House. In the letter, Dole glowingly endorses Romney and repudiates Gingrich.
"If Gingrich is the nominee it will have an adverse impact on Republican candidates running for county, state, and federal offices," Dole wrote. "Hardly anyone who served with Newt in Congress has endorsed him and that fact speaks for itself. He was a one-man-band who rarely took advice. It was his way or the highway."
Jacob Heilbrunn, in the conservative-leaning magazine The National Interest, mused that Gingrich "is essentially bragging that his prime credential to become president is that he's willing to debate for hours and bring a knuckle-duster. This is evidence of his sober judgment? This is supposed to induce swing voters to back him?"
Conservative radio titan Rush Limbaugh also weighed in, seemingly to defend Gingrich from some of the attacks. But, in doing so, he also vividly outlined many of the critiques against Gingrich from other conservatives.
Conservatives "are raising questions here about Newt and his mendacity, his forthrightness — it's incredible," Limbaugh marveled on his show Thursday.
Gingrich stormed to a decisive win over Romney in the South Carolina primary last week fueled in part by two well-timed attacks on the news media. Both came during nationally televised debates, guaranteeing maximum exposure.
In a CNN debate, Gingrich pushed back at anchor John King when King questioned him about an interview Gingrich's second wife, Marianne, had given ABC News. In the interview, Marianne Gingrich suggested her husband had asked her for an open marriage so he could carry on with a mistress, Callista Bisek, now his third wife.
"I think the destructive, vicious, negative nature of much of the news media makes it harder to govern this country, harder to attract decent people to run for public office. And I am appalled that you would begin a presidential debate on a topic like that," Gingrich said. "I am tired of the elite media protecting Barack Obama by attacking Republicans."
The audience rose in a standing ovation.
Gingrich also told King that his campaign had given ABC News the names of friends who would vouch for him but that the network had rejected the offer. On Wednesday, a Gingrich spokesman acknowledged that the claim was a mistake and that the campaign had offered only Gingrich's two adult daughters to defend him.
Gingrich drew raves at another Fox News debate before the South Carolina primary when asked about his oft-stated assertion that Obama is a "food stamp president." He angrily denied the statement had anything to do with race.
Mark Jurkowitz of the Pew Center for Excellence in Journalism said Gingrich had tapped into longstanding resentment of many conservatives against mainstream news outlets.
"Running against the elite media — we've seen now for a good 30 years — certainly has resonance among Republican base voters. In conservative circles, there's been the perception that the media are tilted against them," Jurkowitz said.
Brent Bozell, founder of the conservative Media Research Center, announced Thursday that his group was set to spend $5 million on an advertising campaign to expose media bias in the 2012 election.
"You have a left-leaning media that's out of control. You've got to corral them," Bozell said in a news briefing, promising radio ads, billboards and an "unprecedented" effort in social media outlets like Twitter and Facebook.
Gingrich, for his part, promised in his South Carolina victory speech to keep up his attacks on the media. But the hits he took this week while campaigning in Florida came from other conservatives.
By Thursday, Gingrich was disparaging the Commission on Presidential Debates, suggesting he might not participate in debates the commission organizes if he becomes the Republican nominee.
"We've had enough of newsmen deciding what the topics would be," Gingrich told supporters in Jacksonville, many of whom waved "Don't Believe the Liberal Media" signs.
Later, Gingrich was asked about the attacks from conservative pundits, particularly from the American Spectator's Emmett Tyrell, who wrote that Gingrich has had "private encounters with the fair sex that doubtless will come out."
Gingrich tried to turn such criticisms to his advantage, suggesting they represent "establishment" thinking.
"Tyrrell has to write whatever Tyrrell wants to write," Gingrich said. "There's the Washington establishment sitting around in a frenzy, having coffee, lunch and cocktail hour talking about, 'How do we stop Gingrich?'"
While Gingrich relishes bashing the media "elite" in public, he is friendly with the reporters who cover his campaign and makes himself available for media questions daily on the campaign trail. He seems to relish the back-and-forth with journalists, sometimes labeling questions he dislikes "bizarre."
At a campaign stop in South Carolina, he wished a reporter covering his campaign a happy birthday, and he typically stops by to chat with reporters at dinner after a day of campaigning.
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This may sting a little.....for Gingrich anyways.
http://news.yahoo.com/gingrich-under-fire-conservative-media-093418787.html (http://news.yahoo.com/gingrich-under-fire-conservative-media-093418787.html)
Maybe Krautface and that stupid bitch Coulter should actually talk to Michael Reagan and Nancy Reagan. They disagree. So do these pundits know more about Newt's relationship to Ronnie than his own family? As Limbaugh says below, there is a coordinated attack to take Newt out of this race by the GOP Establishment. Emphasis on bolded in 2nd part of article. I guess it was lost on me too that Romney voted for Carter and Mondale against Reagan. He also voted for Paul Tsongas against Bill Clinton in 1992. Wow.
On a side note: Tom DeLay and Bob Dole???? REALLY???? Sad.
Mike Reagan, Rush Limbaugh Blast Romney
By Jim Meyers
Ronald Reagan's eldest son Mike Reagan has issued a statement lambasting Mitt Romney and his supporters for claims that Romney's Republican presidential rival Newt Gingrich was a strong critic of President Reagan.
Reagan says such claims are false.
Even Rush Limbaugh, shocked by the Romney claims, chimed on his Thursday radio broadcast to say "This is obviously a coordinated attack to take Newt out here in Florida."
Rush slammed the Romney-backed smear campaign against Newt.
"That kind of stuff is why people hate Romney so much," Limbaugh said.
Limbaugh added that Newt has always been a conservative from his early days in national talk radio in the 1980s.
"He was perhaps the premier defender of Ronald Reagan," Limbaugh said.
On Thursday, Mike Reagan, a respected conservative commentator, responded to the Gingrich critics with this statement to Newsmax:
"I am deeply disturbed that supporters of Mitt Romney are claiming that Newt Gingrich is not a true Reaganite and are even claiming that Newt was a strong critic of my father.
"Recently I endorsed Newt Gingrich for president because I believe that Newt is the only Republican candidate who has both consistently backed the conservative policies that my father championed and the only Republican that will continue to implement his vision.
"It surprises me that Mitt Romney and his supporters would raise this issue - when Mitt by his own admission voted for Jimmy Carter and Walter Mondale who opposed my father, and later supported liberal Democrat Paul Tsongas for president.
"As governor of Massachusetts, Romney's achievement was the most socialistic healthcare plan in the nation up until that time.
"Say what you want about Newt Gingrich but when he was Speaker of the House he surrounded himself with Reagan conservatives and implemented a Ronald Reagan program of low taxes and restrained federal spending.
"Newt's conservative program created a huge economic boom and balanced the budget for the first time in more than a generation."
Mike Reagan concluded: "I would take Newt Gingrich's record any day over Mitt Romney's."
And Nancy Reagan, Reagan's wife, has stressed Gingrich's close relationship with her late husband.
In a 1995 speech at a dinner honoring Ronald Reagan, Nancy said: "The dramatic movement of 1995 is an outgrowth of a much earlier crusade that goes back half a century. Barry Goldwater handed the torch to Ronnie, and in turn Ronnie turned that torch over to Newt and the Republican members of Congress to keep that dream alive."
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Maybe Krautface and that stupid bitch Coulter should actually talk to Michael Reagan and Nancy Reagan. They disagree. So do these pundits know more about Newt's relationship to Ronnie than his own family? As Limbaugh says below, there is a coordinated attack to take Newt out of this race by the GOP Establishment. Emphasis on bolded in 2nd part of article. I guess it was lost on me too that Romney voted for Carter and Mondale against Reagan. He also voted for Paul Tsongas against Bill Clinton in 1992. Wow.
On a side note: Tom DeLay and Bob Dole???? REALLY???? Sad.
All of this. Although I don't dislike Krautface (love that name for him) I hate Coulter with a passion. She is an arrogant bitch, who says stupid shit to sell books. I heard her make a comment on Hannity one night about how our founding fathers would be disappointed, yada ,yada, yada......and she is correct. But she is so far right that they would horse laugh her and her adams apple right out of the studio.
I think Newt is going to shock folks and take FL.
To hear columnists Ann Coulter and Charles Krauthammer and the conservative media aggregator Matt Drudge tell it, Gingrich is an inconsistent conservative who didn't fully support President Ronald Reagan and whose undisciplined nature mirrored that of President Bill Clinton, who was Gingrich's Democratic adversary in the 1990s.
Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong. Ask Dick Morris how wrong that is. They worked together and Clinton was forced to sign a lot of things that he didn't want. Newt was not a mirror of Clinton.
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All of this. Although I don't dislike Krautface (love that name for him) I hate Coulter with a passion. She is an arrogant bitch, who says stupid shit to sell books. I heard her make a comment on Hannity one night about how our founding fathers would be disappointed, yada ,yada, yada......and she is correct. But she is so far right that they would horse laugh her and her adams apple right out of the studio.
I think Newt is going to shock folks and take FL.
Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong. Ask Dick Morris how wrong that is. They worked together and Clinton was forced to sign a lot of things that he didn't want. Newt was not a mirror of Clinton.
In fact Newt made Bill his little bitch and in the end made him look really good. He made a lot of enemies in DC as speaker because he went against the establishment then like he is doing now.
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In fact Newt made Bill his little bitch and in the end made him look really good. He made a lot of enemies in DC as speaker because he went against the establishment then like he is doing now.
I would say that most of the time, going against the establishment is not smart politics. In our current era, this may actually be the smart thing to do, as far as the voters go anyway.
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Along the same lines...
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/romney-gingrich-spar-over-immigration-florida-cnn-debate-012610947.html (http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/romney-gingrich-spar-over-immigration-florida-cnn-debate-012610947.html)
Romney and Gingrich spar over immigration, housing and personal investments at Florida debate
By Rachel Rose Hartman
The tension between Mitt Romney and Newt Gingrich as the Florida primary approaches was on display Thursday at a Republican presidential debate in Jacksonville, Fla. The two men attacked each other on immigration, housing and their personal investments.
"The idea that I am anti-immigrant is repulsive," Romney told Gingrich, referring to an accusation in a Spanish-language ad that Gingrich later pulled from the airwaves. "You should apologize."
Fifty delegates are up for grabs for a single candidate in the Jan. 31 primary. Florida chose to flout Republican National Committee rules and allocate all of its delegates in a winner-take-all election.
In a rare moment of solidarity in the debate, Rick Santorum and Newt Gingrich expressed support for Romney's policy of "self-deportation," an attempt to improve enforcement of the laws so that illegal immigrants leave the United States because they can't find suitable employment.
"I actually agree with Governor Romney," Santorum said. "We have to have a country that not only do you respect the law when you come here, you respect the law when you stay here."
But Gingrich and Romney quickly turned on one another, sparring over immigration and the housing crisis.
Romney said Gingrich should have been "a whistleblower, not a horn tooter" on the housing crisis, highlighting Gingrich's work for housing giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. Gingrich turned that around by accusing Romney of profiting from major entities that have gone into crisis, including Fannie and Freddie as well as Goldman Sachs.
Romney's defense was "my investments are not made by me," but are instead managed in a blind trust. "Have you checked your own investments?" he asked Gingrich.
At times, each of the candidates expressed annoyance with debate moderator Wolf Blitzer's focus on the conflict between the two frontrunners.
"This subject really doesn't interest me a whole lot," Ron Paul said when asked to comment on the two candidates' argument over their connections to the housing crisis.
"These two gentlemen are distracting from the most important issues we have," Santorum said.
When an unemployed woman in the audience asked the candidates about health care, Santorum took the opportunity to attack Romney for "Romneycare," arguing that a candidate who supports a individual mandate to purchase health insurance in his home state is not the best opponent to take on Barack Obama in November.
"We can't give this issue away in this election," Santorum said.
On the subject of U.S. relations with Cuba, Gingrich, Romney and Santorum took a hard line against dictator Fidel Castro--the position taken by a majority of Republicans--while Paul, who is anti-war, argued that isolating Castro only empowers him. Sanctions "inevitably backfire," Paul said, pushing instead for opening trade relations with the country.
When asked to name a Hispanic they would consider placing in their cabinet, Romney, Gingrich and Santorum each named one of Florida's highest-profile Cubans: Marco Rubio. Rubio, a Republican senator, was himself courted to run for president this cycle following his successful tea party candidacy in 2010.
Gingrich took the question a step further, teasing that he has Rubio on his vice presidential short list. I had a "central," "more dignified" role for Rubio in mind, Gingrich said
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I would say that most of the time, going against the establishment is not smart politics. In our current era, this may actually be the smart thing to do, as far as the voters go anyway.
From 94-2000 it got results. He got Congress away from the Bush policies and back to Reagan policies. And it worked. It pissed off a lot of the establishment Bush types like Dole and DeLay.
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From 94-2000 it got results. He got Congress away from the Bush policies and back to Reagan policies. And it worked. It pissed off a lot of the establishment Bush types like Dole and DeLay.
Yes, but I'm strictly referring to one making a Presidential run and the surface level of politics in a voters view.
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Its amazing how in just a week and a half things can change so drastically. Maybe I'm going out on a limb here but I think Gingrich is done.
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Its amazing how in just a week and a half things can change so drastically. Maybe I'm going out on a limb here but I think Gingrich is done.
The Repuklickin' establishment along with the lamestream media made this decision for us. Romney will be the nominee. Another fair weather, McCain-like moderate... Just like Bush 41 and Bush 43... My early predictions... He'll try to fix healthcare rather than repeal it, and he'll end up raising taxes just like Bush 41.
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The Repuklickin' establishment along with the lamestream media made this decision for us. Romney will be the nominee. Another fair weather, McCain-like moderate... Just like Bush 41 and Bush 43... My early predictions... He'll try to fix healthcare rather than repeal it, and he'll end up raising taxes just like Bush 41.
They aren't worried about fixing this country. They think and are convinced that Romney is the best chance to beat Obama and that is what they pushed for. Forget the fact that the shitty healthcare bill is patterened after Romney's, forget the fact that he is a liberal lite, he has that R behind his name and that is all that matters. Fuck'em. I hope the Republicans get majority control of the house and senate, and Obama wins in a way. That way a real Conservative Republican like Paul Ryan, Rand Paul, Marco Rubio or someone else can run with a real chance in 2016. If I have to suffer for 4 more years to get my "Reagan" then so be it.
On the other hand, Romeny would be smidgen better than Obama, but to me would almost be business as usual.
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They aren't worried about fixing this country. They think and are convinced that Romney is the best chance to beat Obama and that is what they pushed for. Forget the fact that the shitty healthcare bill is patterened after Romney's, forget the fact that he is a liberal lite, he has that R behind his name and that is all that matters. Fuck'em. I hope the Republicans get majority control of the house and senate, and Obama wins in a way. That way a real Conservative Republican like Paul Ryan, Rand Paul, Marco Rubio or someone else can run with a real chance in 2016. If I have to suffer for 4 more years to get my "Reagan" then so be it.
On the other hand, Romeny would be smidgen better than Obama, but to me would almost be business as usual.
Newt was right - Romney will just manage the chaos, not fix it. He's a RINO to the core. Voted for Mondale, Voted for Carter, Voted for Tsongas AGAINST Clinton in 1992. Lifelong demo until 1994. Being a lifelong demo in itself isn't that bad, but its the kind of democrat he was (liberal from Mass.). He wasn't a lifelong democrat in the way that Reagan was before 1964.
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Newt was right - Romney will just manage the chaos, not fix it. He's a RINO to the core. Voted for Mondale, Voted for Carter, Voted for Tsongas AGAINST Clinton in 1992. Lifelong demo until 1994. Being a lifelong demo in itself isn't that bad, but its the kind of democrat he was (liberal from Mass.). He wasn't a lifelong democrat in the way that Reagan was before 1964.
Even way back then, your democrats had some conservative tendencies to them. Then they were taken over by McGovern, but the downfall started several years before that.
I honestly think that Romney will be mostly business as usual.
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Even way back then, your democrats had some conservative tendencies to them. Then they were taken over by McGovern, but the downfall started several years before that.
I honestly think that Romney will be mostly business as usual.
The downfall started on a nice day in Dallas in 1963.
Then the liberal demos took over, and its never been the same. That is by no coincidence the same year Reagan switched sides. Johnson took the party off a ledge.
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The downfall started on a nice day in Dallas in 1963.
Then the liberal demos took over, and its never been the same. That is by no coincidence the same year Reagan switched sides. Johnson took the party off a ledge.
Ummm... Have you forgotten about FDR's New Raw Deal programs?
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Ummm... Have you forgotten about FDR's New Raw Deal programs?
A chicken in every pot.
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A chicken in every pot.
Always liked this one.
Moses said, "Pick up your shovels, mount your asses and camels, and I will lead you to the Promised Land."
When Welfare was introduced, Roosevelt said, "Lay down your shovels, sit on your asses, and light up a Camel, this is the Promised Land."
Today, the government has stolen your shovel, taxed your asses, raised the price of camels and mortgaged the Promised Land toChina.
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Always liked this one.
For some reason that reminded me of what Jay Leno said the other night to mock the Chrysler "Halftime in America" Super Bowl ad, "'Yeah, it's halftime in America alright, we're down by 17 Trillion and China has possession of the ball.'"
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For some reason that reminded me of what Jay Leno said the other night to mock the Chrysler "Halftime in America" Super Bowl ad, "'Yeah, it's halftime in America alright, we're down by 17 Trillion and China has possession of the ball.'"
Welcome noob. Please report to Jumbo with your dog. Post often. Prayers sent.
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Welcome noob. Please report to Jumbo with your dog. Post often. Prayers sent.
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Welcome noob. Please report to Jumbo with your dog. Post often. Prayers sent.
I'll take that under advisement.
Thanks for the proper welcome.
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Fdr did hijack the demos but Kennedy had taken a lot of it back. It pissed off a lot of the liberals in the party. Some had to have been cheering when he was killed.
New deal of Fdr = great society of lbj
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I'll take that under advisement.
Thanks for the proper welcome.
Never mind him, he just enjoys the festivities.