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Pat Dye Field => War Damn Eagle => Topic started by: AWK on December 13, 2011, 11:32:42 PM
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Goes to Gus Malzahn...Seriously, What the fuck? Houston Nutt II...
AUBURN, Alabama -- Gus Malzahn is stepping down as Auburn's offensive coordinator to return to his home state to become the head coach at Arkansas State.
Malzahn, who made $1.3 million a year at Auburn, is expected to earn around $850,000 a year with his new school, according to people familiar with the hiring. Malzahn will replace Hugh Freeze, who was named Ole Miss' head coach last week.
A press conference to announce the hiring is set for 3:30 p.m. Wednesday to "announce its new head coach," according to the school, which invited fans to attend.
It wasn't immediately known if he'll stay with Auburn as the Tigers prepare for the Chick-fil-A Bowl on New Year's Eve.
Malzahn was a high school coaching legend in Arkansas before getting into the college game as Arkansas' offensive coordinator in 2006. He then put together two dominating offensive seasons at Tulsa in 2007 and 2008 before joining coach Gene Chizik's staff at Auburn for the 2009 season.
The Tigers set a school record for touchdown passes in his first season, then rewrote just about every school record for offense with Cam Newton at quarterback on the way to the national championship last year.
Malzahn won the Frank Broyles Award as the top college assistant coach in the country in 2010.
Auburn struggled offensively this season, however, with a new offensive line and quarterbacks, and stands at 104th in the nation in total offense heading to its Chick-fil-A Bowl game against Virginia on New Year's Eve.
Auburn is already without a defensive coordinator. Ted Roof left for Central Florida last week.
Malzahn was a hot commodity after the 2010 season, but passed on head coaching opportunities at Maryland and Vanderbilt. He signed a new contract that paid $1.3 million annually, making him the highest paid coordinator in the nation.
Chizik hired Malzahn only weeks after taking over as Auburn's new coach in December of 2008.
Prior to joining Chizik's staff, Malzahn spent two seasons at Tulsa. The Golden Hurricane had the top-ranked offense in 2007 and No. 2 overall in 2008.
Malzahn was a well-respected high school coach in Arkansas before entering the college ranks. His five-year tenure at Springdale High culminated in undefeated state championship season in 2005. His prospect-loaded team helped him land the offensive coordinator job at Arkansas under Houston Nutt after the season.
The Razorbacks won 10 games in 2006, Malzahn's first and only season with the team, but he wasn't always on the same page with Nutt and his coaching staff.
A Fort Smith, Ark., native, Malzahn played two years at Arkansas and two years at Henderson State, where he earned his degree.
http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2011/12/gus_malzahn_leaving_auburn_to.html (http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2011/12/gus_malzahn_leaving_auburn_to.html)
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So.
Cattle or hats. What's left?
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So.
Cattle or hats. What's left?
chizik's firing after next season...after we go 3-9.
all in.
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:hammer:
:staytuned:
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So.
Cattle or hats. What's left?
You must be a high jumper from all the side swapping...
but seriously though? Arkansas State for a $450,000 pay cut. What a retard.
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You must be a high jumper from all the side swapping...
but seriously though? Arkansas State for a $450,000 pay cut. What a retard.
Strange indeed.
And the hits keep coming.
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You must be a high jumper from all the side swapping...
but seriously though? Arkansas State for a $450,000 pay cut. What a retard.
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Not swapping sides. Just asking a question. No panic here. No worry, really.
What they did in 2010 when everybody seemed on the same page was pretty amazing. Never seen any AU team withstand that kind of assault from all sides.
The adversity this season seemed to impact everybody in a much different way. Didn't see the same pulling together, the same unity.
Don't think coaching staffs are meant to stay together forever. Egos won't allow it no matter how much somebody is making. When things start to fray, it's time for a change.
Tuberville knew that. He made some bad hires and he made some great ones. His success as a head coach was directly tied to the capability of his assistants. That's who he was.
Other head coaches are different in that assistants are plug and play and it doesn't really matter who's there. Dye, for instance. His teams were pretty much the same no matter what scheme was being run on offense or defense. Same with Saban, unfortunately.
Now we get to see what Chizik's made of. Be interesting to see if he turns out to be a guy who waxes and wanes with his assistants or if he can be THE guy and the assistants fade into the background.
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$850,000 plus a new home in a gated community on the Jonesboro Country Club golf course ($550,000-$950,000 home).
Here's my thoughts on the matter and no it's not a dumb move by Coach Malzahn.
The Red Wolves now former HC, Hugh Freeze, will be the Black Bears of Ole Miss' new HC in 2012.
IMO, Coach Malzahn should start there if he's looking to become a HC anywhere. You gotta start somewhere and it's better to not get in over your head in your first head coaching gig.
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chizik's firing after next season...after we go 3-9.
all in.
InbeforeJRmocksyouforthinkingtheskyisfalling
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How they want you to feel:
schadjoe Joe Schad
Told Malzahn willing to take the pay cut for chance to be happier and enjoy new situation
ClayTravisBGID Clay Travis
This could be true. Mess on Plains. RT @RockyTopGA: Trooper Taylor will leave #Auburn if they don't make him OC. Book it.
YahooForde Pat Forde
Makes you wonder. RT @KevinScarbinsky Malzahn to Arkansas State, Roof to Central Florida. Two BCS championship coordinators. Ponder that.
ClayTravisBGID Clay Travis
For the people who think Malzahn move wouldn't be odd, how many of you would take a "promotion" and lose 60% of your salary?
jimdunaway Jim Dunaway
Gus Malzahn was the toast of College Football 365 days ago, tonight he's a head coach at Arkansas St. Those dots don't connect.
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They're doing anything they can to make this look bad, instead of realizing that Coach Malzahn is only 7 years removed from the HS ranks, with zero college Head Coaching experience. Also, the $850,000 + $450,000 new home (minimum) = 1.3 Million (minimum)...Also, I'm sure that there are stipulations in his contract (win X amount of games, winning conference, going to a bowl, winning the bowl, etc.) that would bump up his pay as the HC.
Nah, fuck that common sense, there's something fishy going on at Auburn. Lets see what Evan Woodbammer has to say.
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Let's look at this realistically.
1) He could have had his pick a year ago but opted to stay. Maybe he thought he could burnish his resume and get traction for jobs like Ohio State, Penn State, etc.
2) This is the first time he's ever been in a place (other than HS) for more than two years. For whatever reason -- and the reasons were many -- his offense absolutely shit the bed this year. It was completely dysfunctional. Other coaches running similar attacks with similar (or less) talent were far more successful than he was.
3) He could sense his star beginning to fade. Another abysmal season and he wouldn't get consideration from even Arkansas State. Then what does he do?
4) Norm Chow. Waited too long. Never got the opportunity anywhere.
5) Pay cut? If you sense that you've reached a stagnation level where you are (and maybe he had) isn't it better to move to a new situation even if the pay is a little less? Better to start fresh with a clean slate and lowered expectations. Plus he was making more as OC than the majority of head coaches. Unless he had taken a high profile job (and it became apparent that those were unlikely to be offered) he was going to take a cut no matter where he went.
6) Urban Meyer. Jim Tressell. Nick Saban. All started at small colleges where they learned the ropes and then stepped up the ladder. It's the right path of succession. How often do you see hot coordinators bite off more than they can chew and flame the fuck completely out?
The only thing that pisses me off is the reaction. Alabama's OC leaves for a shit job. Colorado State Tech? Bottom of the barrel. Of course he got a raise, he was making about 3/8ths what Malzahn made. Where are the Bama beat writers questioning the move? Where are the interviews with the players he recruited? Where's the mocking from the media?
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there's something fishy going on at Auburn.
Rats jumping ship! :poke:
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InbeforeJRmocksyouforthinkingtheskyisfalling
It is falling, and for one reason. Most Auburn people think so. Sadly, whether they admit it or not, most Auburn people buy the constant "little brother" shit pumped out of WJOX and the papers around the state. They believe no coach really wants to be at Auburn, they're simply relegated there until they can find a way out. They believe Roof bailed to UCF, not that he was told by Chiz a few weeks back "Find another gig, I've got to make a change".
I wouldn't have hired Gus at a major BCS program, but not for the same reason many of you wouldn't. I don't give a shit about the performance of the offense this season. I know why it was, and it was no surprise, except maybe for Trotter. Gus hasn't been in the college ranks very long. Running a major program isn't like running an offense. Gus doesn't have near the experience I'd want, even from an OC.
Ark. State? Good move, and like this season at Auburn, not unexpected. It's a perfect place for him to prove he has the HC skills. You can win there.
If I were Gus, I'd give Auburn folks the big :fu: No appreciation or any credit for anything accomplished, none. All the good players? They came that way. The ones that didn't or haven't yet stepped up? All his fault for not tutoring or developing them. Idiotic, and sad, but that's the way it is.
I just hope we go I formation, it's the only real football there is. And at least Auburn people will feel better if we go 7-5 running "The I formation".
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So what will be said when Auburn makes some big hires to replace those that left?
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So what will be said when Auburn makes some big hires to replace those that left?
Same thing they said before...Chiz can't coach, he has to hire it done. Many Auburn folks will buy in to that.
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I would never take a promotion for a 50% pay cut. NEVER.
Vandy handed him over a million last year and he said no. This just bewilders me.
Any candidates on a replacement? Chow maybe? Borges? Bueller......bueller.....
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It's amazing how many people think they're in the know. Yes, I'm surprised it was Arky State simply because I saw him getting a bigger gig. However, wasn't it also widely speculeted that he hurt himself tremendously with the way the offense was run this year? There's no question he did some bonehead stuff in 2011. Why would a North Carolina or Texas A&M etc. now take a chance on a guy with no HC experience coming off a less than stellar season as OC?
If a fat house is thrown in, yes, it's comparable to his Auburn salary...he's close to home...he's getting HC experience and it may be a longer term contract than what he had at Auburn. Not trying to sugar coat it here but this is not something that signals the sky is falling. As for the recruiting deal, the recruits can read too...hopefully. Not exactly a secret he was interviewing and trying to land his own HC gig.
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It's amazing how many people think they're in the know. Yes, I'm surprised it was Arky State simply because I saw him getting a bigger gig. However, wasn't it also widely speculeted that he hurt himself tremendously with the way the offense was run this year? There's no question he did some bonehead stuff in 2011. Why would a North Carolina or Texas A&M etc. now take a chance on a guy with no HC experience coming off a less than stellar season as OC?
If a fat house is thrown in, yes, it's comparable to his Auburn salary...he's close to home...he's getting HC experience and it may be a longer term contract than what he had at Auburn. Not trying to sugar coat it here but this is not something that signals the sky is falling. As for the recruiting deal, the recruits can read too...hopefully. Not exactly a secret he was interviewing and trying to land his own HC gig.
Most HCs get a house much like a preacher with a parsonage. He would have gotten that at a lot of places.
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Does anyone else think the OC from Baylor would be a good hire for Auburn?
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Most HCs get a house much like a preacher with a parsonage. He would have gotten that at a lot of places.
Tooberville is still trying to sell his house in Auburn. Lord Saybinz built a phat azz house on the river. Still, even if he is given a house to live in, that's an enormous benefit.
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Tooberville is still trying to sell his house in Auburn.
I thought you bought that bitch?
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I would never take a promotion for a 50% pay cut. NEVER.
What if you faced the very real possibility that the job you were in would be eliminated within a year. Would you stay where you were and ride it out with your fingers crossed or take the 50% cut with a guarantee of three years plus a new house that you didn't have to pay for.
Only two options for Malzhan really.
1) Stay and hope he could turn things around. Downside? What if he doesn't. He saw Roof eased gently out the door for a lesser job. This is a HC position, which regardless of pay, outranks coordinator. BIG difference in answering to somebody and being in charge. Big.
2) Leave for either another OC job or take a HC job at a place he thinks he can win and use that as a springboard to a BCS level job in a couple of years. Larry Fedora, Urban Meyer, Saban. All followed that route. All did pretty okay.
It's pretty obvious to me that this season of dysfunction (whether you blame diapers, Tuberville, Trotsley or bad attitudes) had the guy scratching his head. He tried all the usual things he's always tried and none of them worked. If he stays he's got to modify what he does probably. And if it doesn't work? He's screwed.
Time to go? Yeah. And Arky State makes sense.
Is there REALLY that much difference between 850k and 1,300,000 if you live in Fuckerstick Arkansas? And don't pooh-pooh the house deal. He wasn't getting free residence in AU.
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Crazy theory? What if in all his interviews he was asked about his lack of HC experience and felt like he had to take something like the Arky St job to build his name up as a HC and not just be a top OC at a program? Could that be the case? Could him and Chizik left on good terms?
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What if you faced the very real possibility that the job you were in would be eliminated within a year. Would you stay where you were and ride it out with your fingers crossed or take the 50% cut with a guarantee of three years plus a new house that you didn't have to pay for.
Only two options for Malzhan really.
1) Stay and hope he could turn things around. Downside? What if he doesn't. He saw Roof eased gently out the door for a lesser job. This is a HC position, which regardless of pay, outranks coordinator. BIG difference in answering to somebody and being in charge. Big.
2) Leave for either another OC job or take a HC job at a place he thinks he can win and use that as a springboard to a BCS level job in a couple of years. Larry Fedora, Urban Meyer, Saban. All followed that route. All did pretty okay.
It's pretty obvious to me that this season of dysfunction (whether you blame diapers, Tuberville, Trotsley or bad attitudes) had the guy scratching his head. He tried all the usual things he's always tried and none of them worked. If he stays he's got to modify what he does probably. And if it doesn't work? He's screwed.
Time to go? Yeah. And Arky State makes sense.
Is there REALLY that much difference between 850k and 1,300,000 if you live in Fuckerstick Arkansas? And don't pooh-pooh the house deal. He wasn't getting free residence in AU.
Gets it...mostly.
By the way the "Auburn is crumbling" train has left the station and is to warp speed on WJOX.
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Crazy theory? What if in all his interviews he was asked about his lack of HC experience and felt like he had to take something like the Arky St job to build his name up as a HC and not just be a top OC at a program? Could that be the case? Could him and Chizik left on good terms?
No. No way. Haven't you seen Joe Shat's tweets? He was happy to get out of Dodge. The program will go down hard unless Troopa Taylor leaves as well. I just got hit by a big 'ol piece of the sky this morning, so I'm staying in until the Chikin Bowl so I don't get hit again.
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What if you faced the very real possibility that the job you were in would be eliminated within a year. Would you stay where you were and ride it out with your fingers crossed or take the 50% cut with a guarantee of three years plus a new house that you didn't have to pay for.
Only two options for Malzhan really.
1) Stay and hope he could turn things around. Downside? What if he doesn't. He saw Roof eased gently out the door for a lesser job. This is a HC position, which regardless of pay, outranks coordinator. BIG difference in answering to somebody and being in charge. Big.
2) Leave for either another OC job or take a HC job at a place he thinks he can win and use that as a springboard to a BCS level job in a couple of years. Larry Fedora, Urban Meyer, Saban. All followed that route. All did pretty okay.
It's pretty obvious to me that this season of dysfunction (whether you blame diapers, Tuberville, Trotsley or bad attitudes) had the guy scratching his head. He tried all the usual things he's always tried and none of them worked. If he stays he's got to modify what he does probably. And if it doesn't work? He's screwed.
Time to go? Yeah. And Arky State makes sense.
Is there REALLY that much difference between 850k and 1,300,000 if you live in Fuckerstick Arkansas? And don't pooh-pooh the house deal. He wasn't getting free residence in AU.
I think your first paragraph is probably his train of thought. Not saying he panicked, but he saw a way out, in his home state, with a pretty good salary. It was worth the cut for him apparently.
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What if you faced the very real possibility that the job you were in would be eliminated within a year. Would you stay where you were and ride it out with your fingers crossed or take the 50% cut with a guarantee of three years plus a new house that you didn't have to pay for.
Only two options for Malzhan really.
1) Stay and hope he could turn things around. Downside? What if he doesn't. He saw Roof eased gently out the door for a lesser job. This is a HC position, which regardless of pay, outranks coordinator. BIG difference in answering to somebody and being in charge. Big.
2) Leave for either another OC job or take a HC job at a place he thinks he can win and use that as a springboard to a BCS level job in a couple of years. Larry Fedora, Urban Meyer, Saban. All followed that route. All did pretty okay.
It's pretty obvious to me that this season of dysfunction (whether you blame diapers, Tuberville, Trotsley or bad attitudes) had the guy scratching his head. He tried all the usual things he's always tried and none of them worked. If he stays he's got to modify what he does probably. And if it doesn't work? He's screwed.
Time to go? Yeah. And Arky State makes sense.
Is there REALLY that much difference between 850k and 1,300,000 if you live in Fuckerstick Arkansas? And don't pooh-pooh the house deal. He wasn't getting free residence in AU.
Precisely!
It is also not all about money for everyone, he is still getting a buttload of it. IMO it is also a job with A LOT less stress. He was getting attacked from bammers and the Auburn Family.
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I think your first paragraph is probably his train of thought. Not saying he panicked, but he saw a way out, in his home state, with a pretty good salary. It was worth the cut for him apparently.
Ten years ago I left a stable company making a very good salary with plenty of benefits to take a chance on finishing/selling a piece of software my partner and I developed, had ONE order for and believed in.
Didn't even have enough money to rent a real office, had to trade out doing software maintenance work for a guy to have a one-room office space. I went from making a guaranteed $xx,xxx to no guarantee at all. Wasn't even able to pay myself for a while.
I still remember my incredulous boss asking me what I was thinking. Why would I trade my salary and bennies for that?
Why? Because I got to be my own boss. I got to make the decisions. I didn't have to rely on some CEO/CIO choosing a path and then shoving it on me to implement when it was quite possibly the most ignorant thing I'd ever heard of. I got to make the ignorant decisions.
Because I didn't trade my position for a higher one in that company (or another) with added pressures and expectations I was able to learn and grow on my own. Looking back if the today me was the boss of the ten year ago me, I would fire myself for some of the blunders I made getting this thing off the ground and running. But I also probably wouldn't have done some of the things that succeeded beyond my anticipation.
Risk? Yep. Reward? Check.
So don't tell me nobody would ever take the right opportunity for less money. If you believe in what you do and think the opportunity is right, less money is always temporary situation.
I'd like to take the time now to publicly thank my wife for sticking with me when I vaulted out of my previous position ten years ago. She trusted me to do what's right and now that I think about it, that took a lot of trust on her part. Just dawned on me how much trust it took.
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Ten years ago I left a stable company making a very good salary with plenty of benefits to take a chance on finishing/selling a piece of software my partner and I developed, had ONE order for and believed in.
Didn't even have enough money to rent a real office, had to trade out doing software maintenance work for a guy to have a one-room office space. I went from making a guaranteed $xx,xxx to no guarantee at all. Wasn't even able to pay myself for a while.
I still remember my incredulous boss asking me what I was thinking. Why would I trade my salary and bennies for that?
Why? Because I got to be my own boss. I got to make the decisions. I didn't have to rely on some CEO/CIO choosing a path and then shoving it on me to implement when it was quite possibly the most ignorant thing I'd ever heard of. I got to make the ignorant decisions.
Because I didn't trade my position for a higher one in that company (or another) with added pressures and expectations I was able to learn and grow on my own. Looking back if the today me was the boss of the ten year ago me, I would fire myself for some of the blunders I made getting this thing off the ground and running. But I also probably wouldn't have done some of the things that succeeded beyond my anticipation.
Risk? Yep. Reward? Check.
So don't tell me nobody would ever take the right opportunity for less money. If you believe in what you do and think the opportunity is right, less money is always temporary situation.
I'd like to take the time now to publicly thank my wife for sticking with me when I vaulted out of my previous position ten years ago. She trusted me to do what's right and now that I think about it, that took a lot of trust on her part. Just dawned on me how much trust it took.
Even more true when so many of your own fan base don't appreciate you.
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I would humbly accept an $850,000 salary.
When you look at it in terms of a $450,000 loss, to average Joe with a 5 figure income, that's a shit ton of money. Not to a millionaire.
He's not going to be in the food stamp line. After several years of making millions, he could work for free and still be comfortable off of interest. The $850,000 and a free ballin ass house will keep him from giving hand jobs in the streets for change.
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Malzahn will coach the chicken bowl.
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Malzahn will coach the chicken bowl.
But I thought he couldn't wait to get out of Auburn? I thought Chizik was such a buffoon that Malzahn was paying people to hire him as their interim head coach? I thought Malzahn was Dyer's best friend and was ditching the bowl game in order to protest his suspension?
I thought Schad said he was leaving to be happy. And now you're telling me he's a masochist?
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But I thought he couldn't wait to get out of Auburn? I thought Chizik was such a buffoon that Malzahn was paying people to hire him as their interim head coach? I thought Malzahn was Dyer's best friend and was ditching the bowl game in order to protest his suspension?
I thought Schad said he was leaving to be happy. And now you're telling me he's a masochist?
According to sources close to the situation, he likes it when Kristi ties him up and kicks him in the balls.
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But I thought he couldn't wait to get out of Auburn? I thought Chizik was such a buffoon that Malzahn was paying people to hire him as their interim head coach? I thought Malzahn was Dyer's best friend and was ditching the bowl game in order to protest his suspension?
I thought Schad said he was leaving to be happy. And now you're telling me he's a masochist?
Surely you jest? :)
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According to sources close to the situation, he likes it when Kristi ties him up and kicks him in the balls.
she enjoys it more, because she can bitch at him and he can't get away
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Even more true when so many of your own fan base don't appreciate you.
You're breakin' my heart.
*sniff*
(http://blog.al.com/tigerscorner/2008/10/large_tubbpress.jpg)
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But I thought he couldn't wait to get out of Auburn? I thought Chizik was such a buffoon that Malzahn was paying people to hire him as their interim head coach? I thought Malzahn was Dyer's best friend and was ditching the bowl game in order to protest his suspension?
I thought Schad said he was leaving to be happy. And now you're telling me he's a masochist?
I enjoyed your use of hyperbole. The post was very facetious.
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Another reason for Gus to take the job? Ark. St. was 10-2, 8-0 in the Sun Belt this year, and returns a very athletic Sr. QB that can also throw. The whole offense will be mostly Jr. and Sr. And they were productive this year. Like Freeze, it may be a one year gig for Malzahn.
Also, that youtube video of his obnoxious wife, it hurt him with bigger jobs.
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After reading many posts (rational, ir- and all in between), here is my take (if I rip of your thoughts/posts, consider it an homage):
1) Gus committed to Auburn for 3 years...and that's what he gave. He probably WANTED the Vandy job last year, but didn't want to earn the rep of a liar amongst his coaching brethren.
2) After year 3 Gus interviewed for a pretty good gig in UNC. He was (speculation warning) likely passed over due to a glaring gap in his coaching resume: collegiate HC.
3) He took a gig on familiar ground, with a loaded roster, with which he can make immediate noise and garner some instant interest to be parlayed into a big-time gig. He will be the man, responsible for the entire program. I'll be very surprised if he's at ASU after 2 years.
4) Problems with Chizik/Auburn? Pfffft. He probably chafed, like any strong-willed and competent person, under authority, but realized that coordinators have to defer to the head man. If there was ill will, I doubt he'd stick around for the Chicken Bowl.
Parse away, fret, chew your fingernails and shake your fist at the ill-winds of fortune, but the end is NOT nigh for the Auburn Tigers. Chizik, when he was hired, spoke of always having a list of assistants that he would want to hire. I doubt he's ignored that list in the last three years. He put together a mostly great coaching staff the first time around (remember...not much turnover in 3 years) and I trust the guy to do it again.
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After reading many posts (rational, ir- and all in between), here is my take (if I rip of your thoughts/posts, consider it an homage):
1) Gus committed to Auburn for 3 years...and that's what he gave. He probably WANTED the Vandy job last year, but didn't want to earn the rep of a liar amongst his coaching brethren.
2) After year 3 Gus interviewed for a pretty good gig in UNC. He was (speculation warning) likely passed over due to a glaring gap in his coaching resume: collegiate HC.
3) He took a gig on familiar ground, with a loaded roster, with which he can make immediate noise and garner some instant interest to be parlayed into a big-time gig. He will be the man, responsible for the entire program. I'll be very surprised if he's at ASU after 2 years.
4) Problems with Chizik/Auburn? Pfffft. He probably chafed, like any strong-willed and competent person, under authority, but realized that coordinators have to defer to the head man. If there was ill will, I doubt he'd stick around for the Chicken Bowl.
Parse away, fret, chew your fingernails and shake your fist at the ill-winds of fortune, but the end is NOT nigh for the Auburn Tigers. Chizik, when he was hired, spoke of always having a list of assistants that he would want to hire. I doubt he's ignored that list in the last three years. He put together a mostly great coaching staff the first time around (remember...not much turnover in 3 years) and I trust the guy to do it again.
Bravo!
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After reading many posts (rational, ir- and all in between), here is my take (if I rip of your thoughts/posts, consider it an homage):
1) Gus committed to Auburn for 3 years...and that's what he gave. He probably WANTED the Vandy job last year, but didn't want to earn the rep of a liar amongst his coaching brethren.
2) After year 3 Gus interviewed for a pretty good gig in UNC. He was (speculation warning) likely passed over due to a glaring gap in his coaching resume: collegiate HC.
3) He took a gig on familiar ground, with a loaded roster, with which he can make immediate noise and garner some instant interest to be parlayed into a big-time gig. He will be the man, responsible for the entire program. I'll be very surprised if he's at ASU after 2 years.
4) Problems with Chizik/Auburn? Pfffft. He probably chafed, like any strong-willed and competent person, under authority, but realized that coordinators have to defer to the head man. If there was ill will, I doubt he'd stick around for the Chicken Bowl.
Parse away, fret, chew your fingernails and shake your fist at the ill-winds of fortune, but the end is NOT nigh for the Auburn Tigers. Chizik, when he was hired, spoke of always having a list of assistants that he would want to hire. I doubt he's ignored that list in the last three years. He put together a mostly great coaching staff the first time around (remember...not much turnover in 3 years) and I trust the guy to do it again.
What are your thoughts about the X being down all day? Surely this is a sign there are problems down on the plains.
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What are your thoughts about the X being down all day? Surely this is a sign there are problems down on the plains.
It means that Gus is disgruntled with the pussy that runs this joint and shut it down like Dyer's running game.
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Bravo!
ass kisser.
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ass kisser.
Your avatar could use a good ass kissing.
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After reading many posts (rational, ir- and all in between), here is my take (if I rip of your thoughts/posts, consider it an homage):
1) Gus committed to Auburn for 3 years...and that's what he gave. He probably WANTED the Vandy job last year, but didn't want to earn the rep of a liar amongst his coaching brethren.
2) After year 3 Gus interviewed for a pretty good gig in UNC. He was (speculation warning) likely passed over due to a glaring gap in his coaching resume: collegiate HC.
3) He took a gig on familiar ground, with a loaded roster, with which he can make immediate noise and garner some instant interest to be parlayed into a big-time gig. He will be the man, responsible for the entire program. I'll be very surprised if he's at ASU after 2 years.
4) Problems with Chizik/Auburn? Pfffft. He probably chafed, like any strong-willed and competent person, under authority, but realized that coordinators have to defer to the head man. If there was ill will, I doubt he'd stick around for the Chicken Bowl.
Parse away, fret, chew your fingernails and shake your fist at the ill-winds of fortune, but the end is NOT nigh for the Auburn Tigers. Chizik, when he was hired, spoke of always having a list of assistants that he would want to hire. I doubt he's ignored that list in the last three years. He put together a mostly great coaching staff the first time around (remember...not much turnover in 3 years) and I trust the guy to do it again.
I won't quibble with details, which, in the end, are mere opinion differences on insignificant details. Pretty much spot on.
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I won't quibble with details, which, in the end, are mere opinion differences on insignificant details. Pretty much spot on.
Praise from Caesar!
/hyperbole
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After reading many posts (rational, ir- and all in between), here is my take (if I rip of your thoughts/posts, consider it an homage):
1) Gus committed to Auburn for 3 years...and that's what he gave. He probably WANTED the Vandy job last year, but didn't want to earn the rep of a liar amongst his coaching brethren.
2) After year 3 Gus interviewed for a pretty good gig in UNC. He was (speculation warning) likely passed over due to a glaring gap in his coaching resume: collegiate HC.
3) He took a gig on familiar ground, with a loaded roster, with which he can make immediate noise and garner some instant interest to be parlayed into a big-time gig. He will be the man, responsible for the entire program. I'll be very surprised if he's at ASU after 2 years.
4) Problems with Chizik/Auburn? Pfffft. He probably chafed, like any strong-willed and competent person, under authority, but realized that coordinators have to defer to the head man. If there was ill will, I doubt he'd stick around for the Chicken Bowl.
Parse away, fret, chew your fingernails and shake your fist at the ill-winds of fortune, but the end is NOT nigh for the Auburn Tigers. Chizik, when he was hired, spoke of always having a list of assistants that he would want to hire. I doubt he's ignored that list in the last three years. He put together a mostly great coaching staff the first time around (remember...not much turnover in 3 years) and I trust the guy to do it again.
Boooooooooooo! We want a writer not a loser!
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Praise from Caesar!
/hyperbole
are you being facetious?
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Aight, I'll try to explain this one more time for those that say he took a huge paycut.
He's getting $800,000 + a $550,000 house on the Ridgepointe Country Club (gated community) + two $30,000 (minimum) vehicles. Stop listening to the talking heads and/or the people that are trying to make this into some "As The Plains Burns" bullshit. Step back and look at it.
Like I said a week ago, Coach Malzahn should take that job, it's a HC gig...he wants to be a HC...you'd be better off starting small and building up...and he didn't take a paycut.
Here's his new house.
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-RsK515M-qEk/TujfnjvkyOI/AAAAAAAACyc/l8mjJi_4Kn8/s280/Malzahn%2527s+house.jpg)
3613 Lacoste in the gated Ridgepointe Country Club
http://www.nationalfootballauthority.com/2011/12/new-arkansas-state-hc-gus-malzahn.html?m=1 (http://www.nationalfootballauthority.com/2011/12/new-arkansas-state-hc-gus-malzahn.html?m=1)
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Aight, I'll try to explain this one more time for those that say he took a huge paycut.
He's getting $800,000 + a $550,000 house on the Ridgepointe Country Club (gated community) + two $30,000 (minimum) vehicles. Stop listening to the talking heads and/or the people that are trying to make this into some "As The Plains Burns" bullshit. Step back and look at it.
Like I said a week ago, Coach Malzahn should take that job, it's a HC gig...he wants to be a HC...you'd be better off starting small and building up...and he didn't take a paycut.
Here's his new house.
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-RsK515M-qEk/TujfnjvkyOI/AAAAAAAACyc/l8mjJi_4Kn8/s280/Malzahn%2527s+house.jpg)
3613 Lacoste in the gated Ridgepointe Country Club
http://www.nationalfootballauthority.com/2011/12/new-arkansas-state-hc-gus-malzahn.html?m=1 (http://www.nationalfootballauthority.com/2011/12/new-arkansas-state-hc-gus-malzahn.html?m=1)
Oh, that was you parked out in front of my house?
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Aight, I'll try to explain this one more time for those that say he took a huge paycut.
He's getting $800,000 + a $550,000 house on the Ridgepointe Country Club (gated community) + two $30,000 (minimum) vehicles. Stop listening to the talking heads and/or the people that are trying to make this into some "As The Plains Burns" bullshit. Step back and look at it.
Like I said a week ago, Coach Malzahn should take that job, it's a HC gig...he wants to be a HC...you'd be better off starting small and building up...and he didn't take a paycut.
Here's his new house.
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-RsK515M-qEk/TujfnjvkyOI/AAAAAAAACyc/l8mjJi_4Kn8/s280/Malzahn%2527s+house.jpg)
3613 Lacoste in the gated Ridgepointe Country Club
http://www.nationalfootballauthority.com/2011/12/new-arkansas-state-hc-gus-malzahn.html?m=1 (http://www.nationalfootballauthority.com/2011/12/new-arkansas-state-hc-gus-malzahn.html?m=1)
He made $1.3 Mil, for ONE YEAR. He allegedly turned down $3Mil a year at "coach killer vandy". Go look up the list of coaches at Vandy, their records, and more importantly how many of them never landed another HC gig following Vandy since WWII and tell me it wasn't smart to turn it down. Now all you hear is "he turned down AN SEC JOB". Vandy is NOT an SEC job. It's a job in the SEC. Not the same thing. Mark it down...IF Franklin can't parlay his 6-6 (2-6 in the SEC) success in to a better gig inside of 2 years, he'll be fired at Vandy. Every coach is. Also factor in he's just 6 years removed from being a $50K a year HS HC. He's hit the fucking lottery whether it's $850K a house and 2 cars, or $1.3Mil a year.
The video, which was clearly heavily edited, and clearly designed to hurt Kristi, and Gus, did just that. All I've heard about Kristi out of Auburn is how good she is to the players. Nothing remotely like she came across in that video. Still, perception, and yes she looked obnoxious as hell.
You can't win at Vandy. You can at Ark. State. I don't give a fuck if you say "it's the Sun Belt". It's a HC position at a very good program. They've been competing for conference championships there for a while. IF he has to stay more than one year
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He made $1.3 Mil, for ONE YEAR. He allegedly turned down $3Mil a year at "coach killer vandy". Go look up the list of coaches at Vandy, their records, and more importantly how many of them never landed another HC gig following Vandy since WWII and tell me it wasn't smart to turn it down. Now all you hear is "he turned down AN SEC JOB". Vandy is NOT an SEC job. It's a job in the SEC. Not the same thing. Mark it down...IF Franklin can't parlay his 6-6 (2-6 in the SEC) success in to a better gig inside of 2 years, he'll be fired at Vandy. Every coach is. Also factor in he's just 6 years removed from being a $50K a year HS HC. He's hit the fucking lottery whether it's $850K a house and 2 cars, or $1.3Mil a year.
The video, which was clearly heavily edited, and clearly designed to hurt Kristi, and Gus, did just that. All I've heard about Kristi out of Auburn is how good she is to the players. Nothing remotely like she came across in that video. Still, perception, and yes she looked obnoxious as hell.
You can't win at Vandy. You can at Ark. State. I don't give a fuck if you say "it's the Sun Belt". It's a HC position at a very good program. They've been competing for conference championships there for a while. IF he has to stay more than one year
Are you arguing with Prowler? It looks like you are saying pretty much the same thing.
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He made $1.3 Mil, for ONE YEAR. He allegedly turned down $3Mil a year at "coach killer vandy". Go look up the list of coaches at Vandy, their records, and more importantly how many of them never landed another HC gig following Vandy since WWII and tell me it wasn't smart to turn it down. Now all you hear is "he turned down AN SEC JOB". Vandy is NOT an SEC job. It's a job in the SEC. Not the same thing. Mark it down...IF Franklin can't parlay his 6-6 (2-6 in the SEC) success in to a better gig inside of 2 years, he'll be fired at Vandy. Every coach is. Also factor in he's just 6 years removed from being a $50K a year HS HC. He's hit the fucking lottery whether it's $850K a house and 2 cars, or $1.3Mil a year.
The video, which was clearly heavily edited, and clearly designed to hurt Kristi, and Gus, did just that. All I've heard about Kristi out of Auburn is how good she is to the players. Nothing remotely like she came across in that video. Still, perception, and yes she looked obnoxious as hell.
You can't win at Vandy. You can at Ark. State. I don't give a fuck if you say "it's the Sun Belt". It's a HC position at a very good program. They've been competing for conference championships there for a while. IF he has to stay more than one year
(http://www.muppetcentral.com/articles/reviews/pics/palisades_6_statler.jpg)
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Aight, I'll try to explain this one more time for those that say he took a huge paycut.
He's getting $800,000 + a $550,000 house on the Ridgepointe Country Club (gated community) + two $30,000 (minimum) vehicles. Stop listening to the talking heads and/or the people that are trying to make this into some "As The Plains Burns" bullshit. Step back and look at it.
Is he getting a new house and two new vehicles every year? If not, then it's a pay cut for every year after his first.
This is neither here nor there when discussing whether it was the "right" decision for him to make, but I think it's pretty clear that it was a pay cut.
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Are you arguing with Prowler? It looks like you are saying pretty much the same thing.
Supporting his argument with mine. I've been pretty clear that just because he didn't immediately land a BCS job doesn't make it a bad decision. I agree with everyone that has posted why it's a sound career decision to take a HC job at a mid major level school like Ark. State even though it appears to be a pay cut, though it's not as big as some seem to think.
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Is he getting a new house and two new vehicles every year? If not, then it's a pay cut for every year after his first.
This is neither here nor there when discussing whether it was the "right" decision for him to make, but I think it's pretty clear that it was a pay cut.
Ok, and?
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Is he getting a new house and two new vehicles every year? If not, then it's a pay cut for every year after his first.
This is neither here nor there when discussing whether it was the "right" decision for him to make, but I think it's pretty clear that it was a pay cut.
And that's only if he is being given the DEED to the house and will own it outright as an asset.
~poking stick at JR~
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Is he getting a new house and two new vehicles every year? If not, then it's a pay cut for every year after his first.
This is neither here nor there when discussing whether it was the "right" decision for him to make, but I think it's pretty clear that it was a pay cut.
He's going to be allowed to supplement is income by renting out the top floor to itinerant rice pickers.
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I don't understand why it's so mind boggling to some. Everybody is looking at right now, and Malzahn is looking at long term. While he is taking a pay cut now, he will be a HC, and will more than likely be successful at Arkansas St. If I think that, then he probably knows it as well. If he is as successful as I think he will be, he will probably be making over a million a year in a year or two anyway. Him leaving AU is just as much a gamble as him staying at AU. For all we know, AU won't win a single game in two years. They might win a NC in two years. You just don't know what's going to happen. If he is successful at Arkansas St., then another team will want him as their HC eventually.
The good thing about it is he is inheriting a program that is rising. He isn't walking into a situation where a coach has ran a program into the ground. I think Arkansas St. is a perfect fit for him.
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Well, I can tell you this much, I wouldn't want to play ol Ark State the next couple of years. They do have substantial talent. Now with Malzahn, they will come up with some big wins.
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Well, I can tell you this much, I wouldn't want to play ol Ark State the next couple of years. They do have substantial talent. Now with Malzahn, they will come up with some big wins.
I think he will do well recruiting the area as well. I can't think of a more perfect HC job scenario for him.
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I think he will do well recruiting the area as well. I can't think of a more perfect HC job scenario for him.
I personally am not real surprised at this move. He is back home running his own program with a lot of senior and juniors with skillz. Thats plenty of time for him to pad the stats and for Petrino to leave.
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Yeah, but does the home come with maid service? That's a big ass house and someone's got to clean it.
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Yeah, but does the home come with maid service? That's a big ass house and someone's got to clean it.
Wife and 2 daughters...that's what wimmenz are put on earth for.
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Wife and 2 daughters...that's what wimmenz are put on earth for.
Feelin' pretty smug without Shug Dye and Wench logged in, aren'tcha? You just wait, Mister.
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Feelin' pretty smug without Shug Dye and Wench logged in, aren'tcha? You just wait, Mister.
I was hoping to provoke a response from a female, and well....
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I was hoping to provoke a response from a female, and well....
I did cross dress once.
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I did cross dress once.
Don't lie, you still have your dancing shoes on.
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Don't lie, you still have your dancing shoes on.
I was born to dance. Learned the "Wobble" just last weekend.
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I was born to dance. Learned the "Wobble" just last weekend.
(http://gifsoup.com/webroot/animatedgifs/447352_o.gif)
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Wife and 2 daughters...that's what wimmenz are put on earth for.
Which explains why JR is single and most likely living in an efficiency with a hot plate and a mini-fridge.
I was hoping to provoke a response from a female, and well....
Guess there really is a first time for everything...
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Which explains why JR is single and most likely living in an efficiency with a hot plate and a mini-fridge.
Guess there really is a first time for everything...
That hurt!
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I know you di'in't. House the Party, bitch.
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I know you di'in't. House the Party, bitch.
I'll whip that damn high top fade up off ya. I'm sick of your shit. I done worked too hard and too [smack]
LONG for you to be running over me like you're outta your damn mind. I done walked all across this damn city, got stopped by the [smack] GOT-damn law, looking for your monkey ass.
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I'll whip that damn high top fade up off ya. I'm sick of your shit. I done worked too hard and too [smack]
LONG for you to be running over me like you're outta your damn mind. I done walked all across this damn city, got stopped by the [smack] GOT-damn law, looking for your monkey ass.
I'm from a small town called foot up a cops ass, and I'm gettin' homesick. Where is dat boy? Head look like a whisk broom.
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That hurt!
Now we get to see if you smarten up or if you want more like those bitches in the domestic violence shelter.
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Now we get to see if you smarten up or if you want more like those bitches in the domestic violence shelter.
Yes ma'am.
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Yes ma'am.
You're a passive aggressive little fucker...
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I'm from a small town called foot up a cops ass, and I'm gettin' homesick. Where is dat boy? Head look like a whisk broom.
Ah, I shoulda known you was at this Party, and ya know, with all that Jheri Curl juice you got in your hair, you better not Ever do a crime! The police won't have any problem finding you! "Follow the drip, follow the drip!"
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Is he getting a new house and two new vehicles every year? If not, then it's a pay cut for every year after his first.
This is neither here nor there when discussing whether it was the "right" decision for him to make, but I think it's pretty clear that it was a pay cut.
Fuck. I've been doing it wrong.
Somebody call the bank for me and tell them I only have to pay for my house for ONE year. After that it doesn't count.
And call them about my cars, too.
I need a refund on any payments I made after the first year.
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I'm going to have to step in here for GF and call it...
-1000 to each and every one of you who have just quoted Kid & Play. May God have mercy on your souls.
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I'm going to have to step in here for GF and call it...
-1000 to each and every one of you who have just quoted Kid & Play. May God have mercy on your souls.
I figured you would do it next.
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I'm going to have to step in here for GF and call it...
-1000 to each and every one of you who have just quoted Kid & Play. May God have mercy on your souls.
Yo, I'l put my foot so far up yo ass you be shittin' sneaker for a month
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I'm going to have to step in here for GF and call it...
-1000 to each and every one of you who have just quoted Kid & Play. May God have mercy on your souls.
Problem is....you recognized it.
I smell.....I smell....PUSSY
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Problem is....you recognized it.
I smell.....I smell....PUSSY
What's the name of that group? Public Enemy? Public Enima? What the hell's a Public Enima anyway? Hey! Shut up all that damn noise!
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What's the name of that group? Public Enemy? Public Enima? What the hell's a Public Enima anyway? Hey! Shut up all that damn noise!
Richard Pryor said that when he was in prison, he kept folks laughing to keep their mind off his booty. Do you know any jokes?
I don't know any jokes.
Well, you better think of something.
What if I can't think of anything?
Light's out, party's over, cake's on the griddle, and you're already greased.
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Richard Pryor said that when he was in prison, he kept folks laughing to keep their mind off his booty. Do you know any jokes?
I don't know any jokes.
Well, you better think of something.
What if I can't think of anything?
Light's out, party's over, cake's on the griddle, and you're already greased.
I don't know why they named that boy that African name. Knowing he from Cleveland!
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I was born to dance. Learned the "Wobble" just last weekend.
Ah but can you dougie?
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Ah but can you dougie?
They be like Smoove (what?)
Can u teach me how to dougie?
You know why?
'Cause all da bitches love me (aye! )
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Fuck. I've been doing it wrong.
Somebody call the bank for me and tell them I only have to pay for my house for ONE year. After that it doesn't count.
And call them about my cars, too.
I need a refund on any payments I made after the first year.
Umm, I think you misunderstood my post; house payments weren't even part of the discussion.
Several people are saying that leaving Auburn did not result in a pay cut for Malzahn because he is being given an $850,000 salary and a $500,000 house. $850,000 + $500,000 = $1.35 million, so voila! He's making just as much at Arkansas State as he did at Auburn.
However, he's not being given a new house every year. His second year there, he's only going to be getting an $850,000 salary. There won't be another $500,000 house given to him in order to bring the value of his salary up to $1.35 million.
And like GH said, we don't even know if he's being given actual ownership of the house.
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Umm, I think you misunderstood my post; house payments weren't even part of the discussion.
Several people are saying that leaving Auburn did not result in a pay cut for Malzahn because he is being given an $850,000 salary and a $500,000 house. $850,000 + $500,000 = $1.35 million, so voila! He's making just as much at Arkansas State as he did at Auburn.
However, he's not being given a new house every year. His second year there, he's only going to be getting an $850,000 salary. There won't be another $500,000 house given to him in order to bring the value of his salary up to $1.35 million.
And like GH said, we don't even know if he's being given actual ownership of the house.
Only those that want to focus on "taking a pay cut to leave Auburn" vs. " stepping up from Asst. Coach to getting a HC job" give a single fucking shit about any of that.
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Only those that want to focus on "taking a pay cut to leave Auburn" vs. " stepping up from Asst. Coach to getting a HC job" give a single fucking shit about any of that.
Like I already said, the fact that he took a pay cut is neither here nor there when discussing whether it was the "right" decision for him. I'm not saying that he's a dumb ass because his pay was cut by $X.
My only point is that it was incorrect to state that this is not a pay cut due to the value of the house, a one-time gift that won't recur and thus won't increase his annually received salary amount for years to come.
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Like I already said, the fact that he took a pay cut is neither here nor there when discussing whether it was the "right" decision for him. I'm not saying that he's a dumb ass because his pay was cut by $X.
My only point is that it was incorrect to state that this is not a pay cut due to the value of the house, a one-time gift that won't recur and thus won't increase his annually received salary amount for years to come.
Oh, well since you put it that way...
I still don't give a shit.
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