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Title: Homeland
Post by: Kaos on November 14, 2011, 01:03:03 AM
If you're not watching this show on Showtime (right after Dexter) you're fucking up. 

I was a little on the fence before tonight while trying to figure it out, but tonight's episode was top shelf. 

Claire Danes is a little too breezy and boozy for me to take her seriously in the role of crack analyst/spy and she was the weakest part of tonight's show.  But the rest of the cast is pretty good.  She's not bad and I do find her oddly sexy in a gawky way. 

Interesting story and it's told pretty well. 

Do NOT watch tonight's episode unless you've backfilled from the beginning. 
Title: Re: Homeland
Post by: Jumbo on November 14, 2011, 01:38:21 AM
If you're not watching this show on Showtime (right after Dexter) you're fucking up. 

I was a little on the fence before tonight while trying to figure it out, but tonight's episode was top shelf. 

Claire Danes is a little too breezy and boozy for me to take her seriously in the role of crack analyst/spy and she was the weakest part of tonight's show.  But the rest of the cast is pretty good.  She's not bad and I do find her oddly sexy in a gawky way. 

Interesting story and it's told pretty well. 

Do NOT watch tonight's episode unless you've backfilled from the beginning.
Tonights show was kick ass, I had no idea it would turn out this way. The drunk parts were pretty damn weak.
Title: Re: Homeland
Post by: Kaos on November 14, 2011, 08:30:55 AM
Tonights show was kick ass, I had no idea it would turn out this way. The drunk parts were pretty damn weak.

The face she was making at the table when he was telling his story is what threw me.  She looked like a bird. 

I don't think we're done with Brody's involvement either.  There are gaps. 

Tonight's show definitely paid off the first few episodes. 

Hope Boss (Frasiers's new show on Starz) also has a payoff episode pretty quickly. 
Title: Re: Homeland
Post by: Kaos on November 22, 2011, 01:11:20 AM
Just got to watch Sunday's episode. 

Another fucking outstanding effort.  Fucking outstanding. 

I like this show more and more every week.  Watch 20 minutes of this and compare it to four hours of Walking Dead.  Homeland beats the dogshit out of Dead.  Beats the utter dogshit out of it. 
Title: Re: Homeland
Post by: GH2001 on November 22, 2011, 09:25:27 AM
If you're not watching this show on Showtime (right after Dexter) you're fucking up. 

I was a little on the fence before tonight while trying to figure it out, but tonight's episode was top shelf. 

Claire Danes is a little too breezy and boozy for me to take her seriously in the role of crack analyst/spy and she was the weakest part of tonight's show.  But the rest of the cast is pretty good.  She's not bad and I do find her oddly sexy in a gawky way. 

Interesting story and it's told pretty well. 

Do NOT watch tonight's episode unless you've backfilled from the beginning.

Always liked Danes as well.
Title: Re: Homeland
Post by: Vandy Vol on November 22, 2011, 12:49:10 PM
Always liked Danes as well.

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Title: Re: Homeland
Post by: GH2001 on November 22, 2011, 03:13:38 PM
(http://www.cutepuppiesforsale.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/Great-Danes-For-Sale.jpg)

Thats more the kind of Danes that RWS probably likes. Similar to a goat.
Title: Re: Homeland
Post by: Kaos on December 05, 2011, 10:55:36 PM
Another solid show on Sunday. 

Best line? 

"I suck cock.  I love sucking cock. Yummy yum yum yum yum." 


It's definitely an intriguing show.
Title: Re: Homeland
Post by: Jumbo on December 06, 2011, 12:54:11 AM
Another solid show on Sunday. 

Best line? 

"I suck cock.  I love sucking cock. Yummy yum yum yum yum." 


It's definitely an intriguing show.
I think next weeks show is going to kick ass.
Title: Re: Homeland
Post by: War Eagle!!! on December 15, 2011, 05:22:59 PM
Thanks for the heads up on this one. I just started watching and finished shows 1 & 2 so far. This looks to be another good one.
Title: Re: Homeland
Post by: AUTiger1 on December 15, 2011, 05:28:32 PM
I fucked up and canceled Showtime a while back when this show was starting up.  Do they show the reruns?  I decided Showtime was actually worth and just picked it back up last week.   If they do I may set it to record all episodes and give it a watch.
Title: Re: Homeland
Post by: War Eagle!!! on December 15, 2011, 05:38:00 PM
I fucked up and canceled Showtime a while back when this show was starting up.  Do they show the reruns?  I decided Showtime was actually worth and just picked it back up last week.   If they do I may set it to record all episodes and give it a watch.

They have them all right now on my VOD
Title: Re: Homeland
Post by: Jumbo on December 20, 2011, 02:38:47 PM
The season finale was crazy, I feel really bad for Carrie.
Title: Re: Homeland
Post by: Kaos on December 20, 2011, 04:17:52 PM
The season finale was crazy, I feel really bad for Carrie.

It left me a little flat. 

Dexter, on the other hand, paid off a blase storyline and tepid acting (ruining the series, frankly) with a final 30 seconds that you saw coming from a mile away but still went "oh damn.  what now?" 

Opens crazy doors for another Dexter season.
Title: Re: Homeland
Post by: Token on December 21, 2011, 09:20:24 AM
Because of medication I'm taking, ended up staying up all last night.  Watched the first 6 or 7 episodes.  Thank you Kaos, damn good show. 
Title: Re: Homeland
Post by: AWK on December 21, 2011, 04:20:14 PM
Because of medication I'm taking, ended up staying up all last night. Watched the first 6 or 7 episodes.  Thank you Kaos, damn good show.
Cocaine is not medication, sir.
Title: Re: Homeland
Post by: Token on December 21, 2011, 06:53:57 PM
Cocaine is not medication, sir.

True dat.....but it was free!!!
Title: Re: Homeland
Post by: AWK on December 21, 2011, 07:41:00 PM
True dat.....but it was free!!!
You ever had a peanut butter and crack sandwich?
Title: Re: Homeland
Post by: Token on December 22, 2011, 12:04:11 PM
The season finale was crazy, I feel really bad for Carrie.

Part of me wanted him to hit the switch in the safe room.  Talk about a fantastic ending.  Of course, it would kill the series, but damn that would have been sweet. 
Title: Re: Homeland
Post by: Jumbo on December 22, 2011, 01:23:13 PM
Part of me wanted him to hit the switch in the safe room.  Talk about a fantastic ending.  Of course, it would kill the series, but damn that would have been sweet.
That would have been awesome.
Title: Re: Homeland
Post by: Kaos on December 22, 2011, 03:43:34 PM
Part of me wanted him to hit the switch in the safe room.  Talk about a fantastic ending.  Of course, it would kill the series, but damn that would have been sweet.

Wouldn't have killed the series.  Could have made it better, actually. 

Carrie vindicated.  Saul vindicated.

Estes could have been in the bathroom and injured, not killed.

Walker still out there.  Other parts of Abu's plan still in motion. 

Country in political turmoil and shocked fury.  Changes in American attitudes, suspicious of all middle easterners, calls for roundups and WWII style camps to keep tabs on them.  Changes to immigration and travel policy.

Would have had Jess grieving and Mike coming back into the picture (yay, more tits!), the kids dealing with the dad they didn't know and how the public would trash them.  They'd be pariahs. 

Yeah, you lose Brody.  But I think the series could actually have been stronger without him and the Carrie/Brody romantic angle.
Title: Re: Homeland
Post by: Kaos on October 08, 2012, 08:57:09 PM
Two episodes in and the second season is just as good as the first.

The rationale for bringing Carrie back in is a little thin but the payoff was worth it. 

Really good show. 

Dexter, on the other hand, is wandering badly.  There was a thirty seconc "what the fuck" at the end of the season premiere but other than that it is drifting.
Title: Re: Homeland
Post by: Kaos on October 15, 2012, 03:33:49 AM
Still the best show on TV and proved it again tonight. 

Walking Dead was solid, but Homeland continues to deliver the goods.   

Every episode is taut, filled with tension and tightly written.  It wants to nibble around the edges of Brody's wife and kid drama, it sneaks ever so slightly into "broken Carrie" melodium from time to time but it doesn't dawdle there.  It gets right back to the true moving pieces that make the show work. 

I do wish I'd seen wifey's titties again though.  They cut that story arc off just seconds before they popped out. 

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Title: Re: Homeland
Post by: Token on October 16, 2012, 09:52:57 PM
Fucking awesome show. Best on tv right now. Very few shows leave me wanting the next episode immediately, this one does it every week.
Title: Re: Homeland
Post by: Token on October 23, 2012, 10:39:54 PM
Well, they went there a lot faster than I thought they would. Will be interesting to see how they play it out now.
Title: Re: Homeland
Post by: Tarheel on October 24, 2012, 06:38:39 PM
Well, they went there a lot faster than I thought they would. Will be interesting to see how they play it out now.


This is a great show indeed; glad I'm not the only one watching it.  I too was surprised that they 'went there' so fast but it was so very satisfying to see Carrie finally get vindicated.
Title: Re: Homeland
Post by: Token on October 29, 2012, 02:29:14 PM
Well, that was just a little too predictable.  First time for the show, but now I believe they are going to have a hard time bringing the suspense back.
Title: Re: Homeland
Post by: Tarheel on October 31, 2012, 05:43:22 PM
Well, that was just a little too predictable.  First time for the show, but now I believe they are going to have a hard time bringing the suspense back.

I don't know; you may be right however I think it's adds a whole new dynamic.  I'm rarely interested in "dialogue scenes" since most of the writing on tv theatrics is grammar-school dreck in my opinion but those interrogation scenes were some intensely good drama as far as I'm concerned.
Title: Re: Homeland
Post by: Vandy Vol on November 29, 2012, 02:43:15 PM
Nicholas Brody has a Twitter account.

Some of the posts are pretty funny, others are so-so.

Also, if you're not up to date on the show, there are a few spoilers.  Nothing too big or detailed enough to give a lot away, but just a warning nonetheless.

https://twitter.com/SergeantBrody
Title: Re: Homeland
Post by: Tarheel on November 29, 2012, 03:00:30 PM
Nicholas Brody has a Twitter account.

Some of the posts are pretty funny, others are so-so.

Also, if you're not up to date on the show, there are a few spoilers.  Nothing too big or detailed enough to give a lot away, but just a warning nonetheless.

https://twitter.com/SergeantBrody


"'I'm like NEVER doing my Congressman shit.  Surprised people aren't more pissed.'"

I think he's a Democrat anyway so why be surprised.
Title: Re: Homeland
Post by: Vandy Vol on November 29, 2012, 09:54:08 PM
I think he's a Democrat anyway so why be surprised.

Is he?  I could never spot any clues one way or the other.  Not that it matters as far as the story goes, but I've always noticed that they never make any mention of political parties despite having so much of the show focused on his involvement in a presidential campaign.
Title: Re: Homeland
Post by: Token on November 29, 2012, 10:37:13 PM
Is he?  I could never spot any clues one way or the other.  Not that it matters as far as the story goes, but I've always noticed that they never make any mention of political parties despite having so much of the show focused on his involvement in a presidential campaign.

Which makes it that much better.
Title: Re: Homeland
Post by: Tarheel on November 30, 2012, 12:19:57 PM
Is he?  I could never spot any clues one way or the other.  Not that it matters as far as the story goes, but I've always noticed that they never make any mention of political parties despite having so much of the show focused on his involvement in a presidential campaign.

Just a humorous assumption on my part based on that Tweet; like you, I can never spot any definitive clues.
Title: Re: Homeland
Post by: dallaswareagle on November 30, 2012, 02:31:14 PM
Just a humorous assumption on my part based on that Tweet; like you, I can never spot any definitive clues.

You ever coach at Auburn? :facepalm:
Title: Re: Homeland
Post by: Token on December 16, 2012, 10:46:38 PM
Holy. Fuck.
Title: Re: Homeland
Post by: Token on December 16, 2012, 10:56:57 PM
Damn this show is great.
Title: Re: Homeland
Post by: Kaos on December 17, 2012, 08:00:38 AM
Carrie would be under two prisons.  Actively rooting for her and Brody to die in a dumpster fire.
Title: Re: Homeland
Post by: Tarheel on December 20, 2012, 12:50:28 PM
Holy. Fuck.


I finally watched the conclusion.  Similar reaction.
Title: Re: Homeland
Post by: Tarheel on December 20, 2012, 12:54:33 PM
Carrie would be under two prisons.  Actively rooting for her and Brody to die in a dumpster fire.

She is quite the Janus in a couple of ways.  I like what Saul Berenson said to her, "'You are the smartest and the dumbest fucking person I know.'"

And the dumpster fire would be appropriate but that would end the show.
Title: Re: Homeland
Post by: Tarheel on December 20, 2012, 12:56:20 PM
You ever coach at Auburn? :facepalm:

...didn't go un-noticed.
Title: Re: Homeland
Post by: dallaswareagle on December 20, 2012, 02:13:17 PM
Just got around the watching the season finally, I have enjoyed the show as it kind of mirrored what has been going on. To me the ending was fucking weak at best.  At no time is any vehicle going to get that close to that many dignitaries in one location. No CIA agent or contractor is going to get away with the shit Carrie gets away with. I’ll watch next season cause I am hooked.

Everybody has to send me $100.00 for every episode Carrie cry’s in.   
Title: Re: Homeland
Post by: Token on December 20, 2012, 03:04:46 PM
Just got around the watching the season finally, I have enjoyed the show as it kind of mirrored what has been going on. To me the ending was fucking weak at best.  At no time is any vehicle going to get that close to that many dignitaries in one location. No CIA agent or contractor is going to get away with the shit Carrie gets away with. I’ll watch next season cause I am hooked.

Everybody has to send me $100.00 for every episode Carrie cry’s in.   

I still say ending the first season with Brodie setting that bomb off would have been fantabulous. 
Title: Re: Homeland
Post by: dallaswareagle on December 20, 2012, 03:09:26 PM
I still say ending the first season with Brodie setting that bomb off would have been fantabulous.

Bomb making materials    $500.00

Watching that many politicans blow up          Priceless. 
Title: Re: Homeland
Post by: Jumbo on December 21, 2012, 01:59:45 PM
Holy. Fuck.
I agree.
Title: Re: Homeland
Post by: War Eagle!!! on January 08, 2013, 10:54:30 AM
Dissappointed with the finale on this one.

However, the Burn Notice finale was the tits!
Title: Re: Homeland
Post by: Token on January 09, 2013, 10:29:01 AM
Dissappointed with the finale on this one.

However, the Burn Notice finale was the tits!

Why?  Just wondering. 
Title: Re: Homeland
Post by: War Eagle!!! on January 09, 2013, 10:40:31 AM
Why?  Just wondering.

The whole thing was very slow. The bomb at the end was a good way to carry over to next year, but the rest of the episode sucked.

Also, Carry drawing the gun on Brodie, and then immediately helping him. It just seems weird.
Title: Re: Homeland
Post by: Token on January 12, 2013, 10:50:14 AM
The whole thing was very slow. The bomb at the end was a good way to carry over to next year, but the rest of the episode sucked.

Also, Carry drawing the gun on Brodie, and then immediately helping him. It just seems weird.

Yeah, I agree with that assessment.  I was gonna be pissed until the bomb.  I think they made it slow to try to throw off the fact that they were going to kill a shit ton of people in the final moments of the show. 

And I get the Carrie thing. 

I guess judging the entirety of the show, I see your point.   
Title: Re: Homeland
Post by: Vandy Vol on April 12, 2013, 05:44:15 PM
I'm just now figuring out that Saul is Inigo Montoya...

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Title: Re: Homeland
Post by: Kaos on September 30, 2013, 01:18:56 AM
VERY disappointing opening for season three. Noticed that Clare Danes is now executive producer.  Kiss. Of. Death.

Was really bored by it, hated Saul's hair, didn't find a single story thread I was interested in following.  It will have to get better quickly or end up on the scrap heap of shows that started extremely well but had no idea where to go after the first season. 
Title: Re: Homeland
Post by: Token on September 30, 2013, 10:39:05 PM
VERY disappointing opening for season three. Noticed that Clare Danes is now executive producer.  Kiss. Of. Death.

Was really bored by it, hated Saul's hair, didn't find a single story thread I was interested in following.  It will have to get better quickly or end up on the scrap heap of shows that started extremely well but had no idea where to go after the first season.

Agreed. Daughter storyline already bothers me, as does her new bf. Who gives a shit?  Dude smokes a kid, seemed like they wanted that to be important, but why?  Not blowing up the administration (and killing Brodie) to end the first season seems like a mistake now.  I'll watch just to see, but very disappointed.
Title: Re: Homeland
Post by: Kaos on October 06, 2013, 09:26:21 PM
Wow.

I'm 15 minutes in to the second episode and this once awesome show is nearly completely unwatchable.

Moping Brody daughter is a turd storyline. I can't imagine anyone caring about that at all.

Crazy face Carrie is shockingly bad.  She is completely overplaying the part. Even Saul -- an actor I like a lot - is flailing around with a crappy script. 

If this continues I will turn this lunacy off before this episode ends. 

It's terrible. Awful. Horrendous.

I want to beat the crap out of hysteria, freak out Carrie.
Title: Re: Homeland
Post by: Kaos on December 16, 2013, 11:12:20 AM
Homeland is dead.  Show has faded so badly it's not worth watching at all. 

I've come to absolutely detest Carrie. I find myself wishing she will be shot, tortured, stabbed, gassed, anything to rid the show of her.

Season two was sort of stupid and contrived.  This season was just a muddle of dead story threads.  Glad it's over, hope it doesn't come back. 

I'm out.  Season four, if there is one, can go on without me.  And not because of the characters who died after the stupidest storyline imaginable, but because of the ones who lived.   
Title: Re: Homeland
Post by: Kaos on December 16, 2013, 11:10:36 PM
Wouldn't have killed the series.  Could have made it better, actually. 

Carrie vindicated.  Saul vindicated.

Estes could have been in the bathroom and injured, not killed.

Walker still out there.  Other parts of Abu's plan still in motion. 

Country in political turmoil and shocked fury.  Changes in American attitudes, suspicious of all middle easterners, calls for roundups and WWII style camps to keep tabs on them.  Changes to immigration and travel policy.

Would have had Jess grieving and Mike coming back into the picture (yay, more tits!), the kids dealing with the dad they didn't know and how the public would trash them.  They'd be pariahs. 

Yeah, you lose Brody.  But I think the series could actually have been stronger without him and the Carrie/Brody romantic angle.

I just read my own post from two years ago and realized how freaking astute I obviously am. I had the thin pegged. By not killing Brody as originally planned, the show spun out of control and became a crappy a Lifetime movie.  Too late to salvage now.
Title: Re: Homeland
Post by: Token on December 16, 2013, 11:49:31 PM
I just read my own post from two years ago and realized how freaking astute I obviously am. I had the thin pegged. By not killing Brody as originally planned, the show spun out of control and became a crappy a Lifetime movie.  Too late to salvage now.

Agreed. If they were gonna kill him anyway, him blowing up the entire administration would have been a thing of beauty.

I don't see the point in a season 4.
Title: Re: Homeland
Post by: Kaos on December 07, 2015, 01:43:15 PM
Sometimes you can pull the crap out of the fire and make it work.

The current season of Homeland has pulled away from the whole Carrie needs to take her meds and fuck somebody random dud storylines and instead focused on intrigue in the Middle East. 

Doesn't even really need Carrie and her facial grimaces any longer.  She's stil there but she's a part of the story and not THE story. 

Yeah some of the plot points are contrived and even silly. But it's tighter and more realistic than it has been in a while.  I actually look forward to watching it now. Don't watch it live like I used to but do watch the recorded version. 
Title: Re: Homeland
Post by: Kaos on January 24, 2017, 10:41:04 AM
Well....

Homeland is back to passionate "I'm about to go into hysterics or cry at every single line" Carrie.  I'm back to wanting her character to be murdered. 

Trauma addled Quinn is stupid. 

I enjoy the interplay between Saul and the administration, but I'm sick of outraged Carrie and wish that part of the show would just be eliminated.

Title: Re: Homeland
Post by: dallaswareagle on January 24, 2017, 10:45:52 AM
Well....

Homeland is back to passionate "I'm about to go into hysterics or cry at every single line" Carrie.  I'm back to wanting her character to be murdered. 

Trauma addled Quinn is stupid. 

I enjoy the interplay between Saul and the administration, but I'm sick of outraged Carrie and wish that part of the show would just be eliminated.

I watched the first show of this season and could tell it was going to be the " we don't understand the motherfuckers that want to blow us up" type of season. Frees up an hour on Sunday night to watch something else. 
Title: Re: Homeland
Post by: Kaos on January 24, 2017, 11:10:15 AM
I watched the first show of this season and could tell it was going to be the " we don't understand the motherfuckers that want to blow us up" type of season. Frees up an hour on Sunday night to watch something else.

Agreed.  It's morphed somehow into a "these Islamics are so misunderstood and we Americans are such evil twats" that it is offending me. 

And this? 

(http://brightcove.vo.llnwd.net/e1/pd/16991917/16991917_2597581170001_Picture-4.jpg?pubId=16991917)

I've had enough of this to last me a lifetime.  The fact that she's being portrayed as the only one who "gets it" is pathetic. 

Title: Re: Homeland
Post by: dallaswareagle on January 24, 2017, 11:26:36 AM
Agreed.  It's morphed somehow into a "these Islamics are so misunderstood and we Americans are such evil twats" that it is offending me. 

And this? 

(http://brightcove.vo.llnwd.net/e1/pd/16991917/16991917_2597581170001_Picture-4.jpg?pubId=16991917)

I've had enough of this to last me a lifetime.  The fact that she's being portrayed as the only one who "gets it" is pathetic.

I've wondered if she gets paid per tear she sheds?  She would be one rich bitch if so.
Title: Re: Homeland
Post by: Ogre on January 24, 2017, 12:42:58 PM
I quit watching about 3 episodes after they killed Brodie.  That's where the show went off the rails, IMO.  I just can't take Carrie for all the reasons mentioned above. 

Title: Re: Homeland
Post by: dallaswareagle on January 24, 2017, 12:58:14 PM
I quit watching about 3 episodes after they killed Brodie.  That's where the show went off the rails, IMO.  I just can't take Carrie for all the reasons mentioned above.

I'd fuck her, but only when she was OFF her med's.
Title: Re: Homeland
Post by: Kaos on February 19, 2018, 11:22:52 PM
Keep going back to this well. 

I cannot think of a single show where I hated the lead character as much as I do Carrie.  I loathe her. But I keep giving it a chance and I really don't know why.

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Title: Re: Homeland
Post by: CCTAU on February 20, 2018, 01:37:38 PM
Keep going back to this well. 

I cannot think of a single show where I hated the lead character as much as I do Carrie.  I loathe her. But I keep giving it a chance and I really don't know why.

Because you are waiting for the bucket of blood to fall and then everybody gets burned alive?
Title: Re: Homeland
Post by: Snaggletiger on February 20, 2018, 01:45:16 PM
Because you are waiting for the bucket of blood to fall and then everybody gets burned alive?

They're all gonna' laugh at you.  They're all gonna' laugh at you.
Title: Re: Homeland
Post by: Ogre on February 21, 2018, 07:20:16 AM
I lost interest in this show after Brodie died.
Title: Re: Homeland
Post by: Kaos on April 13, 2018, 09:20:50 AM
If this show wants to continue, it needs to kill Carrie off.  Her hysterics while being (for years) the only person who knows what's going on has grown unrealistic and ridiculous.  She really should have died three seasons ago so the show could explore Quinn's arc without turning him into just another bumbling pawn in Carrie's chaos.  

I hate Carrie.  It stretches the bounds of credulity when she has these breakdowns, hysterical freakouts and manic episodes yet still finds herself in the midst of some of the most sensitive and critical issues facing the nation -- and is allowed to operate in that realm.  

(https://i.gifer.com/8LcU.gif)
Title: Re: Homeland
Post by: Kaos on May 01, 2018, 11:46:45 PM
As much as I'm loathe to do so, I'm going to briefly review the season finale.  

The show was good. The political machinations were intriguing and all of performances reasonably well-inhabited --  although I do hate the pinched face of Elizabeth Keene and there is no way that squinty smirk would ever have been elected president.  Beau (or Luke or Uncle Jesse one of them) Bridges gave a powerful turn as the vice president and his motivations were never clear -- until they were.  Mandy is his usual solid self.  The Russian bad guy had gravitas. Jack McCoy's Law and Order underling acquitted himself well as the president's advisor.  

But as has been the case for too many seasons, each of those compelling characters was diminished when they had to interact with Carrie.  Thankfully she had little to do in the finale other than run around, look like stinky ass and offer sex for something she wanted (yet again).  

Sadly this season ends once again with a "Carrie has gone insane" moment that was so horribly overacted by Claire Danes as Carrie that it bordered on something you'd see in a silent movie from the 30s.  Her bug-eyed bad acting in the show's last ten seconds took a show that was rocking along at a solid 8 or 9 and dropped it to a six.  It was pathetic. 

The show is substantially better off without Carrie, her mental problems, her weeping overacting, her stupid disposable kid, her gross misuse of her limited sexuality and her penchant for being the only person in the universe who understands what's going on.  When it forgets about Carrie's weak ass for a minute and works with Saul, his technical and field teams, the political moving and shaking that keeps the intelligence community in turmoil and the life and death tensions of playing both sides against each other?  It's a quality show and well worth watching.  When it's forced to deal with Carrie's trumped up insanity or her "who gives a purple turd" child custody issues?  It completely loses its way.  The entire season was like that.  Every time she was on the screen (typically on the verge of some emotional breakdown with her lip quivering and her eyes tearing up) she dragged the show down. 

Season 8 is said to be the last.  That's a shame because if it could jettison the baggage of Carrie Mathison, this series could evolve and grow to be one of the best political dramas of the time.