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Pat Dye Field => War Damn Eagle => Topic started by: AUChizad on September 10, 2011, 10:27:45 PM
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Texas (Probably really will drop out)
Ohio State
Nebraska
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damn you stole my thunder ...just sitting here thinking about starting a similar thread.
definitely agree with ohio state...however the brad thayers of the world would kindly remind you that Toledo was 7 - 1 in conference and went bowling last year despite loosing.
do we pull ahead of Starkville?
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Auburn should be back in the top 25 this week.
Also. I would think Utah St is better than Toledo.
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Almost forgot about Virginia Tech. Maybe South Carolina as well.
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Utah State put 60 on somebody today I think.
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Utah State put 60 on somebody today I think.
Weber State from the mighty Big Sky conference.
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Weber State from the mighty Big Sky conference.
Better than anybody Bama's played. Kent fucking State? Kiss my ass you goat fucking neanderthal.
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Better than anybody Bama's played. Kent fucking State? Kiss my ass you goat fucking neanderthal.
Weber State > Penn State? Really?
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Texas (Probably really will drop out)
Ohio State
Nebraska
Texas will drop out, Ohio State and Nebraska will not. Nor should they if they are held to the "Auburn standard."
Ohio State barely beat Toledo, but was ranked 15th. Nebraska didn't put up a great performance, but still beat their opponent by 13 and was ranked 10th.
Auburn dropped four spots. Even if both were held to the "Auburn standard," (which Nebraska should not, in my opinion, based upon the margin of victory) neither would drop out of the top 25.
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Weber State > Penn State? Really?
Yes. Weber makes grills. Penn makes stations. I prefer grills.
Goat fucker.
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Texas will drop out, Ohio State and Nebraska will not. Nor should they if they are held to the "Auburn standard."
Ohio State barely beat Toledo, but was ranked 15th. Nebraska didn't put up a great performance, but still beat their opponent by 13 and was ranked 10th.
Auburn dropped four spots. Even if both were held to the "Auburn standard," (which Nebraska should not, in my opinion, based upon the margin of victory) neither would drop out of the top 25.
I agree UT is probably out with OSU, VT & USCe each dropping a few spots...USCe & OSU more than VT.
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I agree UT is probably out with OSU, VT & USCe each dropping a few spots...USCe & OSU more than VT.
If it were up to me, USCe wouldn't drop more than VT. I give a close win against Georgia (even considering their recent years of relative shittiness) more props than a close win against East Carolina. Especially given the fact that USCe beat East Carolina by a larger margin. They started off slow, but blew them out in the second half, which is something VT failed to do.
I expect to see OSU drop out entirely, VT ranked between 20-25 (probably closer to 20), and USCe ranked 15-20 (probably closer to 20 as well).
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I agree UT is probably out with OSU, VT & USCe each dropping a few spots...USCe & OSU more than VT.
I am willing to bet OSU dosen't drop at all.
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Looks like South Carolina went up a spot, Virginia Tech went down two, and Ohio State went down two. Texas maintained its spot at 24.
They dropped Mississippi state 9 spots to #25, which helped Texas stay in, as did dropping Penn State out of the top 25.
Further proof that the polls make no sense.
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Looks like South Carolina went up a spot, Virginia Tech went down two, and Ohio State went down two. Texas maintained its spot at 24.
They dropped Mississippi state 9 spots to #25, which helped Texas stay in, as did dropping Penn State out of the top 25.
Further proof that the polls make no sense.
I rest my case, counselor.
Texas is Texas, so they don't move a goddamn spot. That's a textbook example of the bias I'm talking about. Ole Miss was ridiculed for losing to BYU by one point at the very end (as they should have been). Not Texas though. You stay right where you are in the polls Texas. Cause you're the Long-byGod-Horns.
Notice that none of them dropped 4 spots or more. And again, part of my argument is that we should not have been ranked as low as we were to begin with. Any other school coming off a NC would have gotten the benefit of the doubt. As evidenced by historical precedent.
If ECU gave Virginia Tech the fits they did, I wouldn't be surprised to see them struggle similarly with Arizona State next week. Will they drop more than two spots then? I doubt it.
Really and truly there should be no preseason polls because they are composed almost entirely on bias.
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Hey Chad how do you feel now that the AP has us at 21...and MSU at 25. :taunt:
What a fuckin joke MSU at #25 and bammer jumps LSU after beating a shitty PSU team. These voters have their heads so far up their asses.
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I rest my case, counselor.
I never stated that the polls were perfect, or that they even made sense. My point of contention with your posts was that they have never heavily relied upon what a team did last season in order to rank them for this season, so expecting them to do so for Auburn is not realistic.
Teams are ranked on the preseason poll based upon a lot of speculation, and then are moved around from there based upon their performance as the season progresses. Now, that movement may not make sense, but again, the main point here was that it's never been based upon last year's performance.
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Beyond ridiculous, of course.
Again, no team with a loss at this point should be ranked. Maybe in the 20-25 range if they beat a ranked yeam and barely lostto another ranked team. That doesn't apply to any of the 1-lossers. State beating Memphis, who got smoked by Arkansas State, and losing to an unranked team (us) is barely less impressive than us beating them and coming back from behind to beat Utah State. More impressive than our win last week.
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Michigan has to have some ranked opponents to play with the feel good story running. Plus by the fourth or fifth week Smith, Herbie and other Big Ten honks will prop up some teams that they will need to oppose the W'rines to rationalize it. I think we could take 'em right now maybe 68-65. Roof would put a halt to that shit as everyone knows that defense wins championships.
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Call me a homer.
I've been saying it all preseason. I don't see how Auburn is ranked as low as we are, primarily for losing Cam & Nick, while Alabama is considered world-beaters despite losing Greg, Marcel, Mark, & Julio. Haven't seen it in their first two games. Kent State is a fucking joke, and I don't think Penn State is a hell of a lot better. Put it this way Mississippi State was a far superior opponent than Penn State. For that matter, Utah State was a far superior opponent than Kent State.
Point being, yes, Alabama has played pretty solidly, making few mistakes. But I didn't see any jaw-dropping amazing plays. I didn't see an utter blowout. I didn't see this untouchable team the media seems to see. I didn't see much different than I have seen with Auburn so far. A better-than-average SEC team. I have zero doubt that the Iron Bowl will be much more evenly matched than any "expert" is predicting, and at this point, I would give us the edge if I'm being perfectly honest, just because it's at home, and we don't know how to lose close games.
October's going to be rough for us, no doubt. If the polls are based on how they think our final record will be based on our schedule (which is asinine, punishing teams for having a stronger strength of schedule), then I could see a point. Swap schedules with Alabama, and I doubt we're sitting at #3 and they're sitting at #21.
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I have zero doubt that the Iron Bowl will be much more evenly matched than any "expert" is predicting, and at this point, I would give us the edge if I'm being perfectly honest, just because it's at home, and we don't know how to lose close games.
Agree...so let the media prop up bama and downplay Auburn. The win, and resulting anguish of the crimson masses, will be glorious.
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It is possible that we have 4 losses in the month of October alone depending on which teams show up where.
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It is possible that we have 4 losses in the month of October alone depending on which teams show up where.
This is very true.
That's the only reason I don't see us having another great season. At least one as good as Alabama's last year.
If we drop all four, I'll have expected it.
If we drop three, I will be extremely happy.
If we only drop two, I will be ecstatic.
Drop one or win it all, I will be beside myself, because we will be repeating for the National Championship, fuck the haters.
I don't see us getting out alive in Fayetville or Baton Rouge. Columbia and at home against Florida will definitely be a challenge as well.
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Well technically we could drop five in October but unless we are just so beat the hell up by the time we get ole mrs we should roll them. I am hoping for 2 and 3 coming out of October. I think we catch somebody not expecting us. Anything more than that in October and it will surpass my expectations.
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Call me a homer.
Homer.
I don't see how Auburn is ranked as low as we are, primarily for losing Cam & Nick . . .
Losing Cam and Nick, your offensive and defensive leaders, is a pretty big deal. Enough to have you ranked 23rd in the preseason polls? Maybe not.
But you're overlooking the other players lost. If you "ranked" teams by the number of starting players they were returning, then Auburn would be #120 with three returning offensive starters, four returning defensive starters, and no returning starters on special teams. Two months after the national championship, Auburn was going through spring training with 32 less players than the team that played for the national championship.
Taking into account a loss of that magnitude, being ranked 23rd is not that far-fetched. Sure, it's still debatable, but let's not act like it was just "Cam and Nick" that were lost, and that everyone is overreacting by wanting to rank Auburn significantly lower than #1. This simply is not the same team as the defending national championship team.
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I think we beat UF.
I think Columbia is winnable.
LSU and Arky are losses to me.
BTW I still don't understand how #4 LSU beats #3 Oregon 40-27 (13 points) but #3 Bammer beats #23 Penn State 27-11 (16 points) and jumps LSU for the #2 spot. I know they have to play each other so in the end it doesn't really matter, but in what bizarro world does that fucking make any sense?
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Homer.
Losing Cam and Nick, your offensive and defensive leaders, is a pretty big deal. Enough to have you ranked 23rd in the preseason polls? Maybe not.
But you're overlooking the other players lost. If you "ranked" teams by the number of starting players they were returning, then Auburn would be #120 with three returning offensive starters, four returning offensive starters, and no returning starters on special teams. Two months after the national championship, Auburn was going through spring training with 32 less players than the team that played for the national championship.
Taking into account a loss of that magnitude, being ranked 23rd is not that far-fetched. Sure, it's still debatable, but let's not act like it was just "Cam and Nick" that were lost, and that everyone is overreacting by wanting to rank Auburn significantly lower than #1. This simply is not the same team as the defending national championship team.
Come on, don't you remember that AU won the NC last year?
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Come on, don't you remember that AU won the NC last year?
Come on, don't you remember Bama only lost three games with McElroy, Ingram, Jones, and Dareus? That automatically = National Champions this year.
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Come on, don't you remember Bama only lost three games with McElroy, Ingram, Jones, and Dareus? That automatically = National Champions this year.
If AU had only lost half of what they did, I would say they would be top 10. If they only lost 3-4 people and kept Cam, top 5 easy. You're not getting it.
AU LOST A FUCKTON OF STARTERS ON BOTH SIDES OF THE BALL. The biggest thing with Alabama is the defense returns 9 starters (actually 10 depending on which package). And we have seen alot of the guys behind those starters play alot of time as well due to heavy rotation during games. So, you know what you're getting on the 2 deep on defense. Losing Julio hurts more than losing McElroy or Ingram. I think Eddie Lacy is a harder runner than Ingram. QB wasn't a huge position last year. Judging two games in, I think McCarron will be OK. You're comparing Alabama losing 4 starters to AU losing like 12-14. One of which has the Heisman winner and literally put that team on his back to win some games. I think AU lost as many starters on their OL alone as Alabama lost on both sides of the ball combined.
Apples and oranges.
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If AU had only lost half of what they did, I would say they would be top 10. If they only lost 3-4 people and kept Cam, top 5 easy. You're not getting it.
AU LOST A FUCKTON OF STARTERS ON BOTH SIDES OF THE BALL. The biggest thing with Alabama is the defense returns 9 starters (actually 10 depending on which package). And we have seen alot of the guys behind those starters play alot of time as well due to heavy rotation during games. So, you know what you're getting on the 2 deep on defense. Losing Julio hurts more than losing McElroy or Ingram. I think Eddie Lacy is a harder runner than Ingram. QB wasn't a huge position last year. Judging two games in, I think McCarron will be OK. You're comparing Alabama losing 4 starters to AU losing like 12-14. One of which has the Heisman winner and literally put that team on his back to win some games. I think AU lost as many starters on their OL alone as Alabama lost on both sides of the ball combined.
Apples and oranges.
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