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http://www.wsbtv.com/sports/25778803/detail.html
Exclusive: Cam Newton's Dad Admits Money Talks, Says Source
Cecil Newton Stresses Son's Hands Are Clean
Posted: 9:38 pm EST November 12, 2010
Updated: 10:18 pm EST November 12, 2010
ATLANTA -- While Auburn University quarterback Cameron Newton has had to overcome more than tacklers in his well-chronicled, redemptive run to college football stardom, his dad has been scrambling in recent days to explain his own actions.
A source close to the situation exclusively told Channel 2 Action News investigative reporter Mark Winne that the player's father, Cecil Newton, has admitted having conversations with an ex-Mississippi State University player about the possibility of under-the-table money if Cam Newton signed to play football at Mississippi State, though he's steadfastly maintained that no money ever changed hands and said no official at Mississippi State ever made such an offer.
According to Winne’s source, Cecil Newton said his son’s hands are clean, and has made it clear that Cam Newton himself and his mother knew nothing about the money discussions, nor did Auburn University, with whom the Westlake High School grad from College Park eventually signed with out of junior college.
Winne’s source, who acknowledged sympathies on the Newton side of things, said the player and both parents have demonstrated a willingness to cooperate with the NCAA, beyond even the financial records turned over by the family, and from churches Cecil Newton oversees.
Watch Winne's exclusive report on the Channel 2 Action News Nightbeat at 11 p.m.
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This is the most tangled story I've ever seen.
So, there was money talks between Cecil and the ex MSU player? Rogers is telling the truth? WTF?
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This is the most tangled story I've ever seen.
So, there was money talks between Cecil and the ex MSU player? Rogers is telling the truth? WTF?
I mean, it's a weak weak story.
But it's the first on the record article claiming Cecil admits to talking about money.
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I agree. I'm going to need to see Cecil say, with his own lips moving, that he discussed money talks with MSU. No more fucking sources.
BUT if that happens. IF Cecil admits to talking cash for play. He'll have a lot more to worry about than the FBI or the NCAA.
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I agree. I'm going to need to see Cecil say, with his own lips moving, that he discussed money talks with MSU. No more fucking sources.
BUT if that happens. IF Cecil admits to talking cash for play. He'll have a lot more to worry about than the FBI or the NCAA.
What if the offer was brought to Cecil though? What if he didn't really believe that he could get that much money, and thought for a brief second of all the things that the money could do. What if he asked do you really think I could get all that money? What if, after a little bit of thought about it, he realized it was a bad idea and Cam went to Auburn.
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What if the offer was brought to Cecil though? What if he didn't really believe that he could get that much money, and thought for a brief second of all the things that the money could do. What if he asked do you really think I could get all that money? What if, after a little bit of thought about it, he realized it was a bad idea and Cam went to Auburn.
Prove it.
Let's say this is how it goes down. How do you change public perception?
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Prove it.
Let's say this is how it goes down. How do you change public perception?
Audio tapes would be the only way to prove it, other than that it's a "he said-he said" deal. I'm fed up with "sources", a crackhead that needs their fix could call up ESPN and talk to Joe Schad and give him a "story" for some $$$.
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What if the offer was brought to Cecil though? What if he didn't really believe that he could get that much money, and thought for a brief second of all the things that the money could do. What if he asked do you really think I could get all that money? What if, after a little bit of thought about it, he realized it was a bad idea and Cam went to Auburn.
If he talked about money. If he entertained the ideas of cash from Rogers. Then he has been telling lies until now. Forget the FBI. Forget the NCAA. This man is an ordained man of God. And if he admits to discussing cash only after the alleged "tapes" are brought to light, then he has all but destroyed his testimony. And that, for a Christian, is much worse than anything the world can bring down upon him.
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What if the offer was brought to Cecil though? What if he didn't really believe that he could get that much money, and thought for a brief second of all the things that the money could do. What if he asked do you really think I could get all that money? What if, after a little bit of thought about it, he realized it was a bad idea and Cam went to Auburn.
Exactly. What was the context?
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There are no tapes, end of story. If there are, well this is no good for MSU; plain and simple. If there are, they will be lost unless it is to give Kenny Rogers the shaft.
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Come to think of it, I think it is great news. No more "ammo" by the ones trying to bring Auburn down. The Newtons recently spoke with the NCAA, and they were supposedly satisfied with what was discussed (skreets). Cam nor his mother knew about the $$$ being talked about. Therefore, Cecil didn't act on behalf of Cam. Cam & Auburn are in the clear, unless it can be proven (audio/video) that Cam knew. Whew, what a week this has been, lol.
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What does this mean?
http://www.wsbtv.com/sports/25778803/detail.html
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What does this mean?
http://www.wsbtv.com/sports/25778803/detail.html
This is the most tangled story I've ever seen.
So, there was money talks between Cecil and the ex MSU player? Rogers is telling the truth? WTF?
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This is the most tangled story I've ever seen.
So, there was money talks between Cecil and the ex MSU player? Rogers is telling the truth? WTF?
I mean, it's a weak weak story.
But it's the first on the record article claiming Cecil admits to talking about money.
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I agree. I'm going to need to see Cecil say, with his own lips moving, that he discussed money talks with MSU. No more fucking sources.
BUT if that happens. IF Cecil admits to talking cash for play. He'll have a lot more to worry about than the FBI or the NCAA.
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What does this mean?
http://www.wsbtv.com/sports/25778803/detail.html
It means that Auburn finally jumped out in front of the story with one of their own reporters (read, orcrastrated by Auburn) and squashed any hopes of the "Breaking News" bullshit and hopefully put this fuckin soap opra to bed, once and for all.
"This has nothing to do with Auburn."
So, unless Cam says that he knew about the $$$ or there's audio of him claiming it, then Cam & Auburn are clear...10-0, one game away from clinching our first SEC Champioship appearance since '04, and on track to playing in our first ever BCS Championship.
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It means that Auburn finally jumped out in front of the story with one of their own reporters (read, orcrastrated by Auburn) and squashed any hopes of the "Breaking News" bullshit and hopefully put this fuckin soap opra to bed, once and for all.
"This has nothing to do with Auburn."
So, unless Cam says that he knew about the $$$ or there's audio of him claiming it, then Cam & Auburn are clear...10-0, one game away from clinching our first SEC Champioship appearance since '04, and on track to playing in our first ever BCS Championship.
But I thought this was explained already.
I thought the NCAA ruled that solicitation is just as bad as accepting/providing extra benefits. And that it would be ruled as such.
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We had something beautiful going.
And if it were orchestrated by Auburn to have Cecil Newton admit to talking about money with Rogers? After he just went on record last week saying he had no knowledge of such a thing and only knew of Rogers? Well, someone needs to shoot the orchestrator.
Cecil's already denied this. Nothing good will come by changing stories now. Especially not when every media outlet in the Universe has blamed him more than anyone.
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We had something beautiful going.
And if it were orchestrated by Auburn to have Cecil Newton admit to talking about money with Rogers? After he just went on record last week saying he had no knowledge of such a thing and only knew of Rogers? Well, someone needs to shoot the orchestrator.
Cecil's already denied this. Nothing good will come by changing stories now. Especially not when every media outlet in the Universe has blamed him more than anyone.
We did have something good going. I think djsimp's head might have exploded. And he's probably drunk.
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But I thought this was explained already.
I thought the NCAA ruled that solicitation is just as bad as accepting/providing extra benefits. And that it would be ruled as such.
If Cecil even as much hinted to MSU about being paid, Cam is ineligible, whether he or anybody else in the family knew about it or not. Period. It doesn't matter where Cam ended up playing at. And you are correct on the NCAA ruling. They changed this in 2009. And here's the kicker about proof; the NCAA is kind of like comparing a civil court to a criminal court. The NCAA doesn't even have to have a smoking gun. In their rules, they simply have to find within reason that something probably happened.
Again, I highly highly doubt AU paid Cam. However, it's looking more and more like Cecil solicited something from somebody. If he did, he will be ruled ineligible. Prowler, you can whistle past the greaveyard all you want, but this is fact. While it sucks for AU because they didn't really do anything wrong, they will forfeit or vacate any game Cam played in if they decide Cecil solicited cash.
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We did have something good going. I think djsimp's head might have exploded. And he's probably drunk.
Not drunk, just fucking confuses. Its like I can't help myself. I am so caught up in this shit that I am just confusing myself. I love Auburn so much that I have disregarded myself as a object of common decency. I have dug and scraped so much through hundreds of different sources that I find myself in the midst of exhaustion. Its like I can't not help myself. I need help. Please for the love of God, lets find a resolution.
With all my insanity, I will tell you without my fucking O&B glasses on, MSU is in a world of shit and AU is in the clear, FOR NOW! I fully believe, regardless of who is right or wrong, Kenny Rogers will be the fall guy and both AU an MSU will be in the clear. This I say is a combined effort of AU, MSU and yes bama in the end. If you don't believe me then oh well, I just don't have the energy to explain myself right now.
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1. Cecil fessed up to Auburn and the NCAA back in July.
2. Since then the focus of the investigation has been on MSU and boosters...and one rogue agent.
3. Cecil has cooperated fully, and beyond.
4. Cam will start tomorrow because of the cooperation since before the season.
5. AU is in the clear at this point.
6. MSU is fucked.
Just my opinion. Kind of like my theory earlier.
We'll see about 230pm tomorrow.
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1. Cecil fessed up to Auburn and the NCAA back in July.
If you're saying Cecil fessed up in July to discussing money with MSU, then AU is incredibly.....incredibly stupid for playing Cam. Sure, AU wouldn't have won as many games without him, but any number of wins is better than 0-10. Even if Cam didn't know about it, I guarantee you, if Cecil discussed money with MSU, Cam will be ineligible. No matter how much he or his dad cooperated in the investigation.
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If you're saying Cecil fessed up in July to discussing money with MSU, then AU is incredibly.....incredibly stupid for playing Cam. Sure, AU wouldn't have won as many games without him, but any number of wins is better than 0-10. Even if Cam didn't know about it, I guarantee you, if Cecil discussed money with MSU, Cam will be ineligible. No matter how much he or his dad cooperated in the investigation.
You're wrong.
You're interpreting the rule the way you believe. The problem you have is that the rule states "on the athlete's behalf", which in this case it was not, because Cam was unaware.
Cecil took no money, has cooperated and because of this, Cam has been allowed to play. The NCAA is more interested in smacking the bigger fish, and that's the rogue agent.
Again, let's see who starts for AU tomorrow. It's going to say a lot.
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You're wrong.
You're interpreting the rule the way you believe. The problem you have is that the rule states "on the athlete's behalf", which in this case it was not, because Cam was unaware.
Cecil took no money, has cooperated and because of this, Cam has been allowed to play. The NCAA is more interested in smacking the bigger fish, and that's the rogue agent.
Again, let's see who starts for AU tomorrow. It's going to say a lot.
Any immediate family member is automatically considered to be acting on the athlete's behalf. Otherwise, everybody would be soliciting money from everybody, and the easy out would be "Meh, my kid didn't know." The rule was amended in 2009 by the NCAA to make it clear the athlete himself doesn't have to have knowledge of the deal. I'm trying to find it now. Look at the Albert Means case. His coach was collecting all of the money, and supposedly, Means didn't know. That wasn't even a family member. Last I checked, we got ass raped with that.
As far as who starts for AU tomorrow, I don't see how that says anything. They've already played him to this point; what does a few more games matter?
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Any immediate family member is automatically considered to be acting on the athlete's behalf. Otherwise, everybody would be soliciting money from everybody, and the easy out would be "Meh, my kid didn't know." The rule was amended in 2009 by the NCAA to make it clear the athlete himself doesn't have to have knowledge of the deal. I'm trying to find it now. Look at the Albert Means case. His coach was collecting all of the money, and supposedly, Means didn't know. That wasn't even a family member. Last I checked, we got ass raped with that.
As far as who starts for AU tomorrow, I don't see how that says anything. They've already played him to this point; what does a few more games matter?
Found it yet rws?
If the player has no knowledge of it, then the person, or in this case a family member, was not acting on behalf of the player. If it was cut and dry as you're saying, then there would be no wondering of Cam was going to play, he would've been ruled ineligible before the season started...back in Jan or July.
"Cam is eligible to play at Auburn."
Now if he would've signed with MSU, we wouldn't have ever heard about the "pay-for-play"...but if would've still came out, then yes, MSU would've waited until they had the final verdict on Cam to play him.
Until some kind of new *Breaking News* comes out that Auburn had a deal with the Newton family, Auburn is in the clear....as they have been since the beginning. "This has nothing to do with Auburn".
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"the player and both parents have demonstrated a willingness to cooperate with the NCAA, beyond even the financial records turned over by the family, and from churches Cecil Newton oversees."
The bullies just pooped their fur....MSU has A Lot of explaining to do, even after they throw Rogers under the bus. NCAA will be digging into that program pretty deep, probably find some players that they signed that went through the Booster Chain of Command. Wasn't there some boosters involved in their last run in with the NCAA under Jackie Sherrell?
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Any immediate family member is automatically considered to be acting on the athlete's behalf. Otherwise, everybody would be soliciting money from everybody, and the easy out would be "Meh, my kid didn't know." The rule was amended in 2009 by the NCAA to make it clear the athlete himself doesn't have to have knowledge of the deal. I'm trying to find it now. Look at the Albert Means case. His coach was collecting all of the money, and supposedly, Means didn't know. That wasn't even a family member. Last I checked, we got ass raped with that.
As far as who starts for AU tomorrow, I don't see how that says anything. They've already played him to this point; what does a few more games matter?
Have fun with your narrow mind and what BOL posters and pseudo experts tell you. Your wrong. I'm taking Don Jackson, Phillip Marshall and others word and interpretations over your simplistic argumentative ass.
Like I said Sister Grinder, we'll ALL just have to wait and see.
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Any immediate family member is automatically considered to be acting on the athlete's behalf. Otherwise, everybody would be soliciting money from everybody, and the easy out would be "Meh, my kid didn't know." The rule was amended in 2009 by the NCAA to make it clear the athlete himself doesn't have to have knowledge of the deal. I'm trying to find it now. Look at the Albert Means case. His coach was collecting all of the money, and supposedly, Means didn't know. That wasn't even a family member. Last I checked, we got ass raped with that.
As far as who starts for AU tomorrow, I don't see how that says anything. They've already played him to this point; what does a few more games matter?
Why does every bammer try to compare this to Albert Means?
Logan Young actually DID PAY for Means on Alabama's behalf. Correct?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Means
WHERE IS THE MONEY????? $180,000 should be pretty easy to find.
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Why does every bammer try to compare this to Albert Means?
Logan Young actually DID PAY for Means on Alabama's behalf. Correct?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Means
WHERE IS THE MONEY????? $180,000 should be pretty easy to find.
...and Bama knew...hence the hammer that fell on them. Don't argue with RWS, it's pointless.
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But I thought this was explained already.
I thought the NCAA ruled that solicitation is just as bad as accepting/providing extra benefits. And that it would be ruled as such.
surely you understand that the player would at least have to have knowledge of it or be involved, otherwise I could send a flood of emails to every opponent we play, asking for money for their star players and get them declared ineligible.
I'm not saying what or what I don't believe happened...at this point Im very confused and conflicted....but just saying.
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surely you understand that the player would at least have to have knowledge of it or be involved, otherwise I could send a flood of emails to every opponent we play, asking for money for their star players and get them declared ineligible.
I'm not saying what or what I don't believe happened...at this point Im very confused and conflicted....but just saying.
I've already posed that scenario in an earlier thread.
What if my dumbass little brother on my official visit grabbed an assistant coach by the arm and said, "Drop $100k into my family's lap and my brother is yours"? The assistant coach says no. Does that mean I can't play college football at any school in the country?
What if my high school coach went around my back and told a booster that he could get me to sign at a school if the price was right? The booster says no or the coaches find out and stop recruiting me. I then, for free and with no illegal practices from my coach, sign at a different school. Should I, one who did absolutely nothing wrong, be punished along with that institution?
If what RWS says is true and if Stacy WhateverHerNameWas was stating correctly, then the NCAA rule regarding solicitation is full of holes and could be easily taken advantage of.
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I've already posed that scenario in an earlier thread.
What if my dumbass little brother on my official visit grabbed an assistant coach by the arm and said, "Drop $100k into my family's lap and my brother is yours"? The assistant coach says no. Does that mean I can't play college football at any school in the country?
What if my high school coach went around my back and told a booster that he could get me to sign at a school if the price was right? The booster says no or the coaches find out and stop recruiting me. I then, for free and with no illegal practices from my coach, sign at a different school. Should I, one who did absolutely nothing wrong, be punished along with that institution?
If what RWS says is true and if Stacy WhateverHerNameWas was stating correctly, then the NCAA rule regarding solicitation is full of holes and could be easily taken advantage of.
Their rule is the rule...of course it's illegal. How they police and enforce it when no money actually changes hands is certainly far different than if money does change hands.
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So in this thread, we have all still agreed that RWS is still, in fact, a dumb ass homer...
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So in this thread, we have all still agreed that RWS is still, in fact, a dumb ass homer...
And still doesn't know how to find bryant-denny stadium
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So in this thread, we have all still agreed that RWS is still, in fact, a dumb ass homer...
I guarantee you, if Cecil talked about cash for Cam with MSU, Cam will be ineligible. Call me a homer or whatever you want, but as Chop said, we will just have to see. Why do you think there is even a question about his eligibility at this point?
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I guarantee you, if Cecil talked about cash for Cam with MSU, Cam will be ineligible. Call me a homer or whatever you want, but as Chop said, we will just have to see. Why do you think there is even a question about his eligibility at this point?
Because, it is. You've not being paying attention if you think it's black and white.
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And for the record, we still have no factual proof that Cecil has admitted to anything. Still through sources right now.
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RWS, your hopes and dreams may come true, but it's not as clear cut as Cecil asked someone for money = Cam ineligible to play college football.
It matters that no money changed hands.
It matters if Cam had played for the school where money was solicited.
It matters that Auburn has clean hands.
It matters that Cam has clean hands.
And only to bammers, and probably uggers today is it so black and white...also seems to be of great interest to some Ark folks I talk to in other places who really want Cam declared ineligible, but most don't see it that way. Donald Jackson said as much yesterday on Finebaum, as does this guy:
http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2010/11/hot_corner_mississippi_state_i.html
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I guarantee you, if Cecil talked about cash for Cam with MSU, Cam will be ineligible. Call me a homer or whatever you want, but as Chop said, we will just have to see. Why do you think there is even a question about his eligibility at this point?
ooh ooh me me, I know...
Because the media, Alabama fans, Miss.St people, UF people, and all the other haters want there to be questions...
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I have read from two different places, J Lee from Rivals and Finabaum tweets, that the NCAA was in Auburn yesterday speaking with the Newton family. Cam plays, this is a great sign for Auburn and Cam Newton.
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Edit - Nevermind. Just read a few other articles that worded it "Chizik cancels interview with TW."
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I have read from two different places, J Lee from Rivals and Finabaum tweets, that the NCAA was in Auburn yesterday speaking with the Newton family. Cam plays, this is a great sign for Auburn and Cam Newton.
Auburn quarterback Cam Newton is expected to play against Georgia today.
A news story Friday night that said a source said Newton's father discussed money with an ex-Mississippi State football player to have his son play for the Bulldogs had previously been reviewed by people looking into the matter. The fact Newton remains eligible means the people who determine eligibility, at least now, believe neither Auburn nor Cam Newton knew of his father's dealing with Mississippi State.
The fact that Newton was allowed to practice, and take the team bus Friday, is an indication he is eligible. Ineligible players can do neither.
Auburn, 10-0 and No. 2 in the BCS, will win the SEC West if it beats 5-5 Georgia in the 2:30 p.m. game in Jordan-Hare Stadium.
http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2010/11/auburns_cam_newton_still_on_tr.html
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Auburn quarterback Cam Newton is expected to play against Georgia today.
A news story Friday night that said a source said Newton's father discussed money with an ex-Mississippi State football player to have his son play for the Bulldogs had previously been reviewed by people looking into the matter. The fact Newton remains eligible means the people who determine eligibility, at least now, believe neither Auburn nor Cam Newton knew of his father's dealing with Mississippi State.
The fact that Newton was allowed to practice, and take the team bus Friday, is an indication he is eligible. Ineligible players can do neither.
Auburn, 10-0 and No. 2 in the BCS, will win the SEC West if it beats 5-5 Georgia in the 2:30 p.m. game in Jordan-Hare Stadium.
http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2010/11/auburns_cam_newton_still_on_tr.html
Awesome.
And any second now, people should be reporting if Cam is struttin' his stuff down Tiger Walk.
Looking good so far.
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Awesome.
And any second now, people should be reporting if Cam is struttin' his stuff down Tiger Walk.
Looking good so far.
my sources...cam to dress as aubie. 1st drive, trotter hits the field. time out called. aubie runs to the field only to reveal it's cam. or something like that.
unless he doesn't.
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I'm feeling better about it. This seems to be a case that what we see happening says a lot. It all goes back to what Coach said, Cameron Newton is eligible to play at Auburn.
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Finebaum on twitter says NCAA in Auburn THURSDAY...meaning that after the NCAA had these conversations, Cam boarded the team bus on Friday.
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Brian Mathews, I was told, says Cam just ran out onto the field in front of the student section.
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Brian Mathews, I was told, says Cam just ran out onto the field in front of the student section.
I think CBS showed it.
Cam's about to make bulldog soup.
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if you were watching CBS, you'd have seen it yourself
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if you were watching CBS, you'd have seen it yourself
Was it as glorious as I'm imagining?
And I'm imagining college girls stripping naked due to uncontrollable urges to have Cam Newton's babies.
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Was it as glorious as I'm imagining?
And I'm imagining college girls stripping naked due to uncontrollable urges to have Cam Newton's babies.
Based on what it says about the situation, I had to clean my laptop screen off before I could type this...it's still sticky.
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Ok, I saw it....that was nice! Cam looks zoned in like Top Gun.
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Just want to weigh in and say that if Cam plays, that's Auburn telling me, as a TUF member, as an Auburn Alum, that there is no gray area. That he's been cleared to play by the NCAA. If, and this is a big if, we go on probation for this (Auburn knowingly playing an ineligible player), then every swinging dick in the Athletic Department needs to lose their job.
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Just want to weigh in and say that if Cam plays, that's Auburn telling me, as a TUF member, as an Auburn Alum, that there is no gray area. That he's been cleared to play by the NCAA. If, and this is a big if, we go on probation for this (Auburn knowingly playing an ineligible player), then every swinging dick in the Athletic Department needs to lose their job.
Yup....what's greaseybammer's take on if Cam's eligible or not, that would be the tale tale sign.
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Just want to weigh in and say that if Cam plays, that's Auburn telling me, as a TUF member, as an Auburn Alum, that there is no gray area. That he's been cleared to play by the NCAA. If, and this is a big if, we go on probation for this (Auburn knowingly playing an ineligible player), then every swinging dick in the Athletic Department needs to lose their job.
Auburn can't be put on probation for playing Cam if he's later determined to be ineligible. And I don't care how much they wanted to play him, if the NCAA had told them his eligibility was in serious doubt, he'd not be playing. The worst that happens for playing an ineligible players, is forfeiture of the games in which he plays.
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Just want to weigh in and say that if Cam plays, that's Auburn telling me, as a TUF member, as an Auburn Alum, that there is no gray area. That he's been cleared to play by the NCAA. If, and this is a big if, we go on probation for this (Auburn knowingly playing an ineligible player), then every swinging dick in the Athletic Department needs to lose their job.
Even if his eligibility were in question, I say play him. Shit, you're 11 games into the season at this point. Might as well take your chances, imo. Even if the NCAA told AU there might be an eligibility issue, they can't punish AU specifically for playing him against their advice.
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Even if his eligibility were in question, I say play him. Shit, you're 11 games into the season at this point. Might as well take your chances, imo. Even if the NCAA told AU there might be an eligibility issue, they can't punish AU specifically for playing him against their advice.
You issued a guarantee he'd be ineligible. He's not. The NCAA was in Auburn on Thursday. He's playing today. Get the fuck over it.
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You issued a guarantee he'd be ineligible. He's not. The NCAA was in Auburn on Thursday. He's playing today. Get the fuck over it.
I guaranteed that if Cecil talked to MSU, Cam would be deemed ineligible. I didn't say anything about that determination happening before the UGA game.
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I guaranteed that if Cecil talked to MSU, Cam would be deemed ineligible. I didn't say anything about that determination happening before the UGA game.
According to Tony Barnhart, the "two recruiters" that Cecil and Cam supposedly talked to are NOT MSU coaches...meaning MSU has got problems here. Oh, it's no illegal to ask someone who isn't a representative of MSU for money.
And, you're still not necessarily right on your guarantee. It's not that black and white.
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Yall ride the bus to home games? WTF?
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Yall ride the bus to home games? WTF?
Does the Ark team stay in town on game day.
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According to Tony Barnhart, the "two recruiters" that Cecil and Cam supposedly talked to are NOT MSU coaches...meaning MSU has got problems here. Oh, it's no illegal to ask someone who isn't a representative of MSU for money.
And, you're still not necessarily right on your guarantee. It's not that black and white.
I heard that too, very very very interesting comment wasn't it. The thing I hate about this right now though, is we can't even watch a damn football game w/o them bringing this shit up every other minute.
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I heard that too, very very very interesting comment wasn't it. The thing I hate about this right now though, is we can't even watch a damn football game w/o them bringing this poop up every other minute.
And it will not stop because for the media it is like an ongoing advertisement.
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I guaranteed that if Cecil talked to MSU, Cam would be deemed ineligible. I didn't say anything about that determination happening before the UGA game.
per Charles Goldberg:
Auburn has decided to play quarterback Cam Newton against Georgia today, and reached that decision after talks with the NCAA. A preliminary series of interviews concluded Newton did not know his father talked with an ex-Mississippi State player about money for his son to play at that school. That's why Newton is expected to play.
Cecil Newton Sr. said only he knew of the plan and that no money changed hands. The NCAA spoke with Cam Newton, his mother and his father this week. There is no indication Newton or Auburn knew of his father's plan, or that Auburn committed a violation.
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Link please
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Link please
Al.com, search, Cam Newton.
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Al.com, search, Cam Newton.
nettiquette, look it up.
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nettiquette, look it up.
Nope no need.
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Nope no need.
I see you aren't in your sanctuary.
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Nope no need.
Admitting you have a problem is the first step to overcoming it. You'll come around.
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Admitting you have a problem is the first step to overcoming it. You'll come around.
Eh I doubt it.
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Eh I doubt it.
No fuckstick, you seem to be the one with the problem. Go to al.com for the Goldberg article, or just copy my quote since it was the direct quote per CG.
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No phukstick, you seem to be the one with the problem. Go to al.com for the Goldberg article, or just copy my quote since it was the direct quote per CG.
I never asked for the link nitwit. Couldn't care less.
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I never asked for the link nitwit. Couldn't care less.
Quoted the wrong retard...meant to quote JR.
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According to Tony Barnhart, the "two recruiters" that Cecil and Cam supposedly talked to are NOT MSU coaches...meaning MSU has got problems here. Oh, it's no illegal to ask someone who isn't a representative of MSU for money.
And, you're still not necessarily right on your guarantee. It's not that black and white.
There is no doubt MSU has some issues. They are definitely going to see some probation from this. But, I promise they didn't turn themselves in to the SEC because they wanted to do the right thing. Misery loves company, and they knew that this was going to affect Newton's eligibility. The problem that AU is going to run into is the two guys that did discuss money with Cecil will be considered boosters, or connected to MSU.
Look, we're obviously not going to be able to agree on this shit. I'm not on the "death penalty for AU" bandwagon by any means. I think Newton deserves the Heisman, and I think AU deserves to play in the NC game. I don't think AU did anything wrong in this whole deal. I just really really do believe this eligibility issue is going to come back and bite you guys in the ass, thanks to MSU. It doesn't matter whether Cam knew about the deal or not. It doesn't matter if money ever changed hands or not. Just the conspiracy to be paid is the same as receiving money, figuratively speaking. I know you don't agree with this at all, so apparently we're going to have to agree to disagree. Maybe I'm right, maybe I'm wrong. We will find out eventually.
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No fuckstick, you seem to be the one with the problem. Go to al.com for the Goldberg article, or just copy my quote since it was the direct quote per CG.
No fuckstick....people that post quotes and don't post links are the one's with the problem.
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No fuckstick....people that post quotes and don't post links are the one's with the problem.
No...people that're too fuckin lazy to go to the site and look at it (I'll state again, al.com, search, Cameron Newton) are the ones with the problem. And you're the one with the problem. Look it up yourself.
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No...people that're too phukin lazy to go to the site and look at it (I'll state again, al.com, search, Cameron Newton) are the ones with the problem. And you're the one with the problem. Look it up yourself.
Quoted the wrong retard...meant to quote JR.
Are you confused phukstick?
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No...people that're too fuckin lazy to go to the site and look at it (I'll state again, al.com, search, Cameron Newton) are the ones with the problem. And you're the one with the problem. Look it up yourself.
typical of rude and clueless fuckers to call others lazy for their own laziness.
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Are you confused phukstick?
Nope, y'all are both retarded. Just quoted the wrong one.
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typical of rude and clueless fuckers to call others lazy for their own laziness.
Go find it...lazy fucker. I was the one that brought it over here. So, who's the lazy one? Yeah, thought so.
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Go find it...lazy phuker. I was the one that brought it over here. So, who's the lazy one? Yeah, thought so.
And where's the link that was requested? :taunt:
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Go find it...lazy fucker. I was the one that brought it over here. So, who's the lazy one? Yeah, thought so.
Again, the lazy fucker is the one that doesn't understand how to provide links, that doesn't understand it's the proper thing to do, and calls others lazy for asking for one. You stupid sack of fucking shit...you make greaseyweasle look decent. You got a link to the stupidest fucking hip hop or gangster shit, but can't fucking do like decent human beings and link a quote you put out...THEN when someone asks PLEASE for a link you act like a fucking 16 year old punk. The net is a safe haven for fucking cowardly turds like you. Fuck off! I looked it up long ago you stupid cock sucker! Doesn't change the fact that you're a fucking tool.
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And where's the link that was requested? :taunt:
If you would've spent your time actually looking for the article at al.com, instead of claiming that I'm lazy, you would already have it. Talk 'bout being lazy, lmao. Getta searchin' lazy fucker.
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Just wondering, from the original article. why do we keep saying Cecil admitted to asking for money. Thats not how I read it. He said the topic of money was brought, not that he asked for money.
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Again, the lazy phuker is the one that doesn't understand how to provide links, that doesn't understand it's the proper thing to do, and calls others lazy for asking for one. You stupid sack of phuking poop...you make greaseyweasle look decent. You got a link to the stupidest phuking hip hop or gangster poop, but can't phuking do like decent human beings and link a quote you put out...THEN when someone asks PLEASE for a link you act like a phuking 16 year old punk. The net is a safe haven for phuking cowardly turds like you. phuk off! I looked it up long ago you stupid cock sucker! Doesn't change the fact that you're a phuking tool.
Wait, you forgot to teabag him JR.
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Wait, you forgot to teabag him JR.
He'd enjoy that.
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Again, the lazy fucker is the one that doesn't understand how to provide links, that doesn't understand it's the proper thing to do, and calls others lazy for asking for one. You stupid sack of fucking shit...you make greaseyweasle look decent. You got a link to the stupidest fucking hip hop or gangster shit, but can't fucking do like decent human beings and link a quote you put out...THEN when someone asks PLEASE for a link you act like a fucking 16 year old punk. The net is a safe haven for fucking cowardly turds like you. Fuck off! I looked it up long ago you stupid cock sucker! Doesn't change the fact that you're a fucking tool.
I ain't hiding from no one, 'specially from shitheads like yourself. I can't help it if you're too fuckin' retarded to search for a link or too stupid to understand that the Roy Jones Jr. song is perfect for this Auburn team. You seem a little butthurt that Auburn has won the SEC West.
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There is no doubt MSU has some issues. They are definitely going to see some probation from this. But, I promise they didn't turn themselves in to the SEC because they wanted to do the right thing. Misery loves company, and they knew that this was going to affect Newton's eligibility. The problem that AU is going to run into is the two guys that did discuss money with Cecil will be considered boosters, or connected to MSU.
Look, we're obviously not going to be able to agree on this shit. I'm not on the "death penalty for AU" bandwagon by any means. I think Newton deserves the Heisman, and I think AU deserves to play in the NC game. I don't think AU did anything wrong in this whole deal. I just really really do believe this eligibility issue is going to come back and bite you guys in the ass, thanks to MSU. It doesn't matter whether Cam knew about the deal or not. It doesn't matter if money ever changed hands or not. Just the conspiracy to be paid is the same as receiving money, figuratively speaking. I know you don't agree with this at all, so apparently we're going to have to agree to disagree. Maybe I'm right, maybe I'm wrong. We will find out eventually.
You are a fucking idiot. If Cecil did talk to two boosters about money and not any coaches then no eligibility issue. Second do you really think that our staff knew about this issue since January, investigated, and still played Newton if they even thought they were wrong?
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I ain't hiding from no one, 'specially from shitheads like yourself. I can't help it if you're too fuckin' retarded to search for a link or too stupid to understand that the Roy Jones Jr. song is perfect for this Auburn team. You seem a little butthurt that Auburn has won the SEC West.
Butthurt? Damn, now you went all internet goober punk on me! Shoulda figured that would be your style. I don't give a shit what kind of hood music you think is perfect for Auburn either.
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Just wondering, from the original article. why do we keep saying Cecil admitted to asking for money. Thats not how I read it. He said the topic of money was brought, not that he asked for money.
This is the best point brought up in this whole god forsaken thread...
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This is the best point brought up in this whole god forsaken thread...
I don't know if I said he asked for it or not, but if I did, then I see the distinction, and shouldn't have. At any rate, that's correct. Another point is that it seems these "discussions" were with a "former player". I assume that means Rogers. Rogers isn't a representative of MSU. Now an institution can be held accountable for boosters giving money to players...but I don't see how the NCAA can police conversations between a player's parents and private citizens. I actually think that since no money changed hands here it's like when your neighbor threatens you and you call the police and they say "we can't do anything unless he does something". Since no money took changed hands, I don't think the NCAA can do much.
Now MSU having "recruiters" who aren't coaches...they may have some issues. But in a way, this "admission" is sort of good for them too...since no coach was involved in this according to all I've heard. If it stays that way, you can bet that no tapes of calls will surface. MSU may cut their losses and leave it at that.
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I don't know if I said he asked for it or not, but if I did, then I see the distinction, and shouldn't have. At any rate, that's correct. Another point is that it seems these "discussions" were with a "former player". I assume that means Rogers. Rogers isn't a representative of MSU. Now an institution can be held accountable for boosters giving money to players...but I don't see how the NCAA can police conversations between a player's parents and private citizens. I actually think that since no money changed hands here it's like when your neighbor threatens you and you call the police and they say "we can't do anything unless he does something". Since no money took changed hands, I don't think the NCAA can do much.
Now MSU having "recruiters" who aren't coaches...they may have some issues. But in a way, this "admission" is sort of good for them too...since no coach was involved in this according to all I've heard. If it stays that way, you can bet that no tapes of calls will surface. MSU may cut their losses and leave it at that.
Unless the NCAA digs deep with the help of the FBI. Rogers did say that Cecil spoke with assistant coaches at a hotel. It'll be interesting to see who spoke about the $$$ first.
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Unless the NCAA digs deep with the help of the FBI. Rogers did say that Cecil spoke with assistant coaches at a hotel. It'll be interesting to see who spoke about the $$$ first.
I don't know if I can find it anywhere, it may have Tony Barnhart today live, but I could have swore I heard something about MSU stated that no MSU coaches are aware of such a thing. Also, since the NCAA was in Auburn and talked to the Newtons plus Auburn officials were on conference call with the NCAA and SEC and still found Cam eligible to play speaks volumes to me.
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I don't know if I can find it anywhere, it may have Tony Barnhart today live, but I could have swore I heard something about MSU stated that no MSU coaches are aware of such a thing. Also, since the NCAA was in Auburn and talked to the Newtons plus Auburn officials were on conference call with the NCAA and SEC and still found Cam eligible to play speaks volumes to me.
Rogers will be the fall guy.
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I don't know if I can find it anywhere, it may have Tony Barnhart today live, but I could have swore I heard something about MSU stated that no MSU coaches are aware of such a thing. Also, since the NCAA was in Auburn and talked to the Newtons plus Auburn officials were on conference call with the NCAA and SEC and still found Cam eligible to play speaks volumes to me.
Barnhart did say that...and it works out best for Auburn and MSU. I don't like any program in trouble...cuz when the BCS be blessin' the NCAA be messin.
Rogers will be the fall guy.
Perfect...no more deserving than that piece of shit.
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BTW, I know I mentioned Kenny's son played for Vestavia Hills, and I'd met the piece of shit...not sure I mentioned this...did y'all know his son is now a Texas Tech Commit out of JUCO? Bit of an interesting twist. Six degrees of separation and all.
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I don't know if I said he asked for it or not, but if I did, then I see the distinction, and shouldn't have. At any rate, that's correct. Another point is that it seems these "discussions" were with a "former player". I assume that means Rogers. Rogers isn't a representative of MSU. Now an institution can be held accountable for boosters giving money to players...but I don't see how the NCAA can police conversations between a player's parents and private citizens. I actually think that since no money changed hands here it's like when your neighbor threatens you and you call the police and they say "we can't do anything unless he does something". Since no money took changed hands, I don't think the NCAA can do much.
Now MSU having "recruiters" who aren't coaches...they may have some issues. But in a way, this "admission" is sort of good for them too...since no coach was involved in this according to all I've heard. If it stays that way, you can bet that no tapes of calls will surface. MSU may cut their losses and leave it at that.
The way I read it, an ex-player is a representative for life. Along with anyone who has ever donated to the university.
This is from yall's own site. I think all schools post this on their official sites.
Here's the link.
http://auburntigers.cstv.com/auto_pdf/p_hotos/s_chools/aub/genrel/auto_pdf/definition-rep-athletics
Bylaw 13.02.13 Representative of Athletics Interests
A "representative of the institution's athletics interests" is an individual, independent
agency, corporate entity (e.g., apparel or equipment manufacturer) or other organization
who is known (or who should have been known) by a member of the institution's
executive or athletics administration to: (Revised: 2/16/00)
(a) Have participated in or to be a member of an agency or organization promoting the
institution's intercollegiate athletics program;
(b) Have made financial contributions to the athletics department or to an athletics
booster organization of that institution;
(c) Be assisting or to have been requested (by the athletics department staff) to assist in
the recruitment of prospective student-athletes;
(d) Be assisting or to have assisted in providing benefits to enrolled student-athletes or
their families; or
(e) Have been involved otherwise in promoting the institution's athletics program.
Bylaw 13.02.13.1 Representative of Athletics Interests
Once an individual, independent agency, corporate entity or other organization is
identified as such a representative, the person, independent agency, corporate entity or
other organization retains that identity indefinitely. (Revised: 2/16/00)
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BTW, I know I mentioned Kenny's son played for Vestavia Hills, and I'd met the piece of shit...not sure I mentioned this...did y'all know his son is now a Texas Tech Commit out of JUCO? Bit of an interesting twist. Six degrees of separation and all.
I think I read an article about Tuberville dropping his scholarship offer a few days ago.
UPDATE: Lubbock sports radio host Chris Level - who also publishes RedRaiderSports.com - has informed me that after offering Justin Rogers a scholarship, Tuberville and Texas Tech apparently pulled the offer recently.
Level cited academics as the reason for the decision.
Level did not confirm the exact timing of Tuberville pulling the scholarship offer, indicating that he first heard of it “early this week.†Initial reports of the Tuberville’s change of heart surfaced on various Texas Tech football websites midday yesterday.
While academics is being cited as the reason for dropping Rogers, the timing of the move perhaps speaks to the notorious reputation of Rogers’ father.
http://sportsbybrooks.com/rogers-past-ties-to-pelini-tuberville-troubling-29235
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Tubbs aint stupid.
While academics is being cited as the reason for dropping Rogers, the timing of the move perhaps speaks to the notorious reputation of Rogers’ father.
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The way I read it, an ex-player is a representative for life. Along with anyone who has ever donated to the university.
This is from yall's own site. I think all schools post this on their official sites.
Here's the link.
http://auburntigers.cstv.com/auto_pdf/p_hotos/s_chools/aub/genrel/auto_pdf/definition-rep-athletics
Bylaw 13.02.13 Representative of Athletics Interests
A "representative of the institution's athletics interests" is an individual, independent
agency, corporate entity (e.g., apparel or equipment manufacturer) or other organization
who is known (or who should have been known) by a member of the institution's
executive or athletics administration to: (Revised: 2/16/00)
(a) Have participated in or to be a member of an agency or organization promoting the
institution's intercollegiate athletics program;
(b) Have made financial contributions to the athletics department or to an athletics
booster organization of that institution;
(c) Be assisting or to have been requested (by the athletics department staff) to assist in
the recruitment of prospective student-athletes;
(d) Be assisting or to have assisted in providing benefits to enrolled student-athletes or
their families; or
(e) Have been involved otherwise in promoting the institution's athletics program.
Bylaw 13.02.13.1 Representative of Athletics Interests
Once an individual, independent agency, corporate entity or other organization is
identified as such a representative, the person, independent agency, corporate entity or
other organization retains that identity indefinitely. (Revised: 2/16/00)
Thanks tits. Now you and :bamahomer: can go discuss why Auburn should be fucked in this whole situation.
Can you start a new thread though just for the two of you? Thanks!
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I think I read an article about Tuberville dropping his scholarship offer a few days ago.
http://sportsbybrooks.com/rogers-past-ties-to-pelini-tuberville-troubling-29235
Thought I had heard that too, but couldn't find a link to confirm it.
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Thought I had heard that too, but couldn't find a link to confirm it.
What I saw was something along the lines of Texas Southern in Houston. Might be wrong but never saw Texas Tech mentioned.
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The way I read it, an ex-player is a representative for life. Along with anyone who has ever donated to the university.
This is from yall's own site. I think all schools post this on their official sites.
Here's the link.
http://auburntigers.cstv.com/auto_pdf/p_hotos/s_chools/aub/genrel/auto_pdf/definition-rep-athletics
Bylaw 13.02.13 Representative of Athletics Interests
A "representative of the institution's athletics interests" is an individual, independent
agency, corporate entity (e.g., apparel or equipment manufacturer) or other organization
who is known (or who should have been known) by a member of the institution's
executive or athletics administration to: (Revised: 2/16/00)
(a) Have participated in or to be a member of an agency or organization promoting the
institution's intercollegiate athletics program;
(b) Have made financial contributions to the athletics department or to an athletics
booster organization of that institution;
(c) Be assisting or to have been requested (by the athletics department staff) to assist in
the recruitment of prospective student-athletes;
(d) Be assisting or to have assisted in providing benefits to enrolled student-athletes or
their families; or
(e) Have been involved otherwise in promoting the institution's athletics program.
Bylaw 13.02.13.1 Representative of Athletics Interests
Once an individual, independent agency, corporate entity or other organization is
identified as such a representative, the person, independent agency, corporate entity or
other organization retains that identity indefinitely. (Revised: 2/16/00)
Tits...
If you'll notice I made a distinction in my post...I know that a booster can be a "representative". The NCAA still needs an overt act to make the connection in the case of a booster, or "representative" in cases like this. IOW, money would have to change hands....mere discussions wouldn't suffice. And again. the fact that money never changed hands is huge.
In legal terms. If I shoot you and kill you, or point a gun at you and say I'm gonna kill you, both are illegal, but both are treated very differently under the law. Yet, you, and many bammers want Cam treated like he committed the most serious of offenses, or want all offenses treated the same no matter how serious, or who knew about what.
Finally, as I read that rule...tell me who can be legally "assisting in recruiting or providing benefits" other than coaches or employees of the institution? And tell me which one Rogers qualifies under the make him a representative of MSU.
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Thought I had heard that too, but couldn't find a link to confirm it.
You should have just asked the prowler.
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You should have just asked the prowler.
But there would have been NO link, just a quote.
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Thanks tits. Now you and :bamahomer: can go discuss why Auburn should be fucked in this whole situation.
Can you start a new thread though just for the two of you? Thanks!
Dumbfuck. I'm on your side. It's to our benefit if Auburn wins out and yall are my second favorite team in the conference.
I was just showing what the NCAA considers a booster/rep. I'm a booster of the Razorbacks by the fact that I have donated to the Razorback Foundation. Not that ever expect to meet any of the recruits, but if I do there are different rules of conduct pertaining to me versus the casual fan because of that status.
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Dumbphuk. I'm on your side. It's to our benefit if Auburn wins out and yall are my second favorite team in the conference.
I was just showing what the NCAA considers a booster/rep. I'm a booster of the Razorbacks by the fact that I have donated to the Razorback Foundation. Not that ever expect to meet any of the recruits, but if I do there are different rules of conduct pertaining to me versus the casual fan because of that status.
I've limited most of my thoughts on the subject due to the "feelings" I have for my team. I want to buy the positive stuff as it suits me and ditch the negative as it suits me. It's very hard to be objective when the overall perception of your team is tarnished. The past doesn't help. And for every fragment to this story that has trickeled out, there have been numerous open-ended explanations, opinions and retorts from unqualified sources as if one size fits all.
I heard Cowherd slam Auburn e-mails, Bob Davie telling a national audience what he would do as a father about the claims, I mentioned Brando in another post, Barnhart et al...so many views and interpretations of what has, hasn't and might happen.
It's everywhere and all eyes are on Auburn. the NFL headline is Jen Sterger and then it is the Cam Newton saga. My team is handling the adversity well and I want them to finish strong and look good doing it for themselves and Auburn University. This is a magical season and much of the negative press cannot be contolled...but how Auburn conducts itself can.
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I've limited most of my thoughts on the subject due to the "feelings" I have for my team. I want to buy the positive stuff as it suits me and ditch the negative as it suits me. It's very hard to be objective when the overall perception of your team is tarnished. The past doesn't help. And for every fragment to this story that has trickeled out, there have been numerous open-ended explanations, opinions and retorts from unqualified sources as if one size fits all.
I heard Cowherd slam Auburn e-mails, Bob Davie telling a national audience what he would do as a father about the claims, I mentioned Brando in another post, Barnhart et al...so many views and interpretations of what has, hasn't and might happen.
It's everywhere and all eyes are on Auburn. the NFL headline is Jen Sterger and then it is the Cam Newton saga. My team is handling the adversity well and I want them to finish strong and look good doing it for themselves and Auburn University. This is a magical season and much of the negative press cannot be contolled...but how Auburn conducts itself can.
Well said jmar.
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I've limited most of my thoughts on the subject due to the "feelings" I have for my team. I want to buy the positive stuff as it suits me and ditch the negative as it suits me. It's very hard to be objective when the overall perception of your team is tarnished. The past doesn't help. And for every fragment to this story that has trickeled out, there have been numerous open-ended explanations, opinions and retorts from unqualified sources as if one size fits all.
I heard Cowherd slam Auburn e-mails, Bob Davie telling a national audience what he would do as a father about the claims, I mentioned Brando in another post, Barnhart et al...so many views and interpretations of what has, hasn't and might happen.
It's everywhere and all eyes are on Auburn. the NFL headline is Jen Sterger and then it is the Cam Newton saga. My team is handling the adversity well and I want them to finish strong and look good doing it for themselves and Auburn University. This is a magical season and much of the negative press cannot be contolled...but how Auburn conducts itself can.
I don't know the truth of the matter. I don't get being lumped in with the gloom and doomers and bammers. Where have I been calling for Auburn to get the death penalty? Methinks it is much ado about nothing. I hope that also.
It's a fishy deal, bad timing, sour grapes kinda thing. Again, I hope yall win out and we do, too.(And yall won't do it without Cam being eligible). It's our best chance for the Sugar Bowl.
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Do not be suprised if Gus bails. He doesn't need the drama on his resume.
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Do not be suprised if Gus bails. He doesn't need the drama on his resume.
:haha:
He runs a gimmicky high school offense anyway.
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Do not be suprised if Gus bails. He doesn't need the drama on his resume.
(http://i315.photobucket.com/albums/ll451/Hogpuddin/GusMalzahn.jpg)
Mere drama cannot penetrate my genius. And I will continue running a gimmicky offense at Auburn for the rest of my days.
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(http://i315.photobucket.com/albums/ll451/Hogpuddin/GusMalzahn.jpg)
Mere drama cannot penetrate my genius. And I will continue running a gimmicky offense at Auburn for the rest of my days.
I have a hint that you don't have a clue about. Goober sez :Hey:. Rocky mountain high.
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I have a hint that you don't have a clue about. Goober sez :Hey:. Rocky mountain high.
Good luck to him...I wish him well..he's on short lists because? That's right, Auburn's offense fucking rocks. Auburn was Auburn before Malzahn, nobody believed he'd be worth a shit...you know all the "gimmicky high school offense, that bullshit won't work in the SEC" vomit? Guess what? It works...we're averaging over a 100 yards a game on the ground more than the #2 rushing team in the SEC. It works...and there's another OC that can work with talent too.
When the best the pundits can bring is "your OC is getting a HC job, and your QB is going to the draft"...that means you're fucking having a kick ass season.
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I have a hint that you don't have a clue about. Goober sez :Hey:. Rocky mountain high.
Mountain air is my kryptonite. I will be a force in the south. Bank it bitches.
-anonymous author of gimmicky offense.
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I have a hint that you don't have a clue about. Goober sez :Hey:. Rocky mountain high.
you need to feel important don't you?
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I have a hint that you don't have a clue about. Goober sez :Hey:. Rocky mountain high.
Gus doesn't strike me as a stupid guy. Anyone who would walk in there not named McCartney at this point would have to be stupid.
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Not to beat a dead horse, but since I was asked to provide the statute:
http://sec.xosdigitallabs.com/Portals/3/SEC%20Website/football/Constitution.pdf
14.01.3.2 Financial Aid. If at any time before or after matriculation (enrollment) in a member institution a student-athlete or any member of his/her family receives or agrees to receive, directly or indirectly, any aid or assistance beyond or in addition to that permitted by the Bylaws of this Conference (except such aid or assistance as such student-athlete may receive from those persons on whom the student is naturally or legally dependent for support), such student athlete shall be ineligible for competition in any inter collegiate sport within the Conference for the remainder of his/her college career.
This is actually an SEC bylaw, but it basically echoes the NCAA rule. Anyway, it doesn't matter where he attends. It doesn't matter if money changes hands. It doesn't matter if Cam knew or not. If his dad talked to an MSU booster about money, Cam will be ineligible.
And as far as Slive telling MSU that the SEC isn't an investigative body?
19.10.3.4 The Commissioner has the duty and power to investigate the validity of violations and impose penalties and sanctions against member institutions, their athletic staff members or student-athletes, for practices and conduct which violate the spirit, as well as the letter of NCAA and SEC rules and regulations. This shall include the ability to render prospective student-athletes or current student athletes ineligible for competition due to their involvement in a violation of NCAA or SEC rules that occurs during the individual’s recruitment. The Commissioner also has the authority to suspend institutional staff members from participation in recruiting activities or participation in practice and/or competition due to their involvement in violations of NCAA or SEC rules.
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If his dad talked to an MSU booster about money, Cam will be ineligible.
Read that rule again. It says "receives or agrees to receive."
An agreement had to be reached. A discussion is not an agreement.
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Not to beat a dead horse, but since I was asked to provide the statute:
http://sec.xosdigitallabs.com/Portals/3/SEC%20Website/football/Constitution.pdfThis is actually an SEC bylaw, but it basically echoes the NCAA rule. Anyway, it doesn't matter where he attends. It doesn't matter if money changes hands. It doesn't matter if Cam knew or not. If his dad talked to an MSU booster about money, Cam will be ineligible.
And as far as Slive telling MSU that the SEC isn't an investigative body?
You're a dumb ass...
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Read that rule again. It says "receives or agrees to receive."
An agreement had to be reached. A discussion is not an agreement.
Supposedly, MSU reported the whole thing as soon as the money discussion came up. Whether there was a "technical" agreement, I don't know. I mean, what are you looking for, a contract on it? I really don't think this whole thing works like a criminal court. We could word play on half of the bylaws on the book probably, but if what is being reported in the media is true, do you still think he will be eligible? I highly doubt it.
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You're a dumb ass...
I expected no less from you.
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Supposedly, MSU reported the whole thing as soon as the money discussion came up. Whether there was a "technical" agreement, I don't know. I mean, what are you looking for, a contract on it? I really don't think this whole thing works like a criminal court. We could word play on half of the bylaws on the book probably, but if what is being reported in the media is true, do you still think he will be eligible? I highly doubt it.
Disclaimer: All of this presupposes that Cecil did, in fact, ask for money. I do not believe he did.
An agreement is an agreement. Verbal assent of the two parties would be the absolute minimum. If Cecil asked for money, or if MSU offered money, and the other party withdrew (or the discussion was terminated before mutual assent), then there is no violation under the rule you cited.
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Since you seem pretty active on this particular thread today RWS, I was wondering if you could tell me something. Last Friday, the Alabama Athletic Department was on lock down for a little bit while Police were inside the building. Do you have any idea as to why?
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Since you seem pretty active on this particular thread today RWS, I was wondering if you could tell me something. Last Friday, the Alabama Athletic Department was on lock down for a little bit while Police were inside the building. Do you have any idea as to why?
For some reason, Marlon Davis (former player) was there and was freaking the fuck out, being extremely unstable, and they called the cops.
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For some reason, Marlon Davis (former player) was there and was freaking the fuck out, being extremely unstable, and they called the cops.
Bad coke in the parking lot?
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For some reason, Marlon Davis (former player) was there and was freaking the fuck out, being extremely unstable, and they called the cops.
Is he ok?
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For some reason, Marlon Davis (former player) was there and was freaking the fuck out, being extremely unstable, and they called the cops.
Musta got a little sumpn' sumpn from Jimmy J that didn't mix too well with Thunderbird and Grapefruit Juice.
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Is he ok?
Prayers sent
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Prayers sent
GF, can we get an "ally-oop" smiley?
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Read that rule again. It says "receives or agrees to receive."
An agreement had to be reached. A discussion is not an agreement.
Lawyer talk!
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Lawyer talk!
Excellent lawyer talk, though.
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GF, can we get an "ally-oop" smiley?
:aoop:
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:aoop:
I don't give a rat's ass how much Wes talked about you this weekend. You are the man.
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Supposedly, MSU reported the whole thing as soon as the money discussion came up. Whether there was a "technical" agreement, I don't know. I mean, what are you looking for, a contract on it? I really don't think this whole thing works like a criminal court. We could word play on half of the bylaws on the book probably, but if what is being reported in the media is true, do you still think he will be eligible? I highly doubt it.
Well, it may not work like a "criminal court", but then again, only criminal courts do. That said....the SEC bothered to write the rules, and chose the words. Just like the NCAA did. Mike Slive is a lawyer and former judge, and dealt with the NCAA as a lawyer...if you think he's not going to try and determine exactly what the rule says and means, and instead just read it to mean what he thinks would be popular that day...you're fooling yourself. And Slive's own words on this situation about not rushing to judgment should be taken to mean just that.
Not to mention this...Slive has said he wants no programs on probation...Slive carries and swings a HUGE hammer...if you think he won't take every opportunity to advocate in favor of his conference with the NCAA here you're foolish. He may not ask them to ignore money changing hands...but if there's an interpretation to be made, you can damn well bet he's going to lobby to have it interpreted in the SEC's favor, and interpret the SEC's rules in the light most favorable to it's own schools, especially where Auburn has clean hands.
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:aoop:
NICE!
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I don't give a rat's ass how much Wes talked about you this weekend. You are the man.
If I was talked about, it was done in love, and the only reason it bothers you is out of jealousy. We're tight like that.
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http://twitter.com/finebaum/statuses/4629430064381952#
Finebaum reports:NCAA interviewed Bama grad ast & former MSU Dir ftbal ops Jody Wright on Monday about Cam Newton.Investigator heading 2 AU
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http://twitter.com/finebaum/statuses/4629430064381952#
They interviewed BG?
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A guy claiming to be retired FBI has this to say:
2 things:
The fact that simultaneous interviews took place today means they still don't believe the MSU crew (Bonds, Rogers, etc) crew has a factual story that is credible. They will look at the inconsistencies and zero in on who they see as the most culpable.
the 2 hr internet buzz about Mcgregor was laughable. You can bet your sweet bibby if he had done something like that, he would have been charged in the indictment in Sept. US Attys would love that sexy angle.
http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=6&f=1010&t=6721260
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I'm confused.
How the hell does Jody Wright tie into all of this?
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Bippy
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A guy claiming to be retired FBI has this to say:
2 things:
The fact that simultaneous interviews took place today means they still don't believe the MSU crew (Bonds, Rogers, etc) crew has a factual story that is credible. They will look at the inconsistencies and zero in on who they see as the most culpable.
http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=6&f=1010&t=6721260
That's Police Detecitve 101...separate the suspects, get their stories, then use the inconsistencies against them to get at the truth.
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That's Police Detecitve 101...separate the suspects, get their stories, then use the inconsistencies against them to get at the truth.
I saw that once on an episode of Law & Order, SVU. They would have succeeded too if it wasn't for the Rule Against Perpetuities. At least that's what they said on the show.
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I saw that once on an episode of Law & Order, SVU. They would have succeeded too if it wasn't for the Rule Against Perpetuities. At least that's what they said on the show.
I thought you were more familiar with fertile octogenarians?
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So Jody Wright isn't a girl?
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Why are gingers so prevalent at Bama?
Jody Wright, who isn't a girl, involved in the Cam Newton investigation:
(http://image.cdnl3.xosnetwork.com/pics11/200/XK/XKIKIHECZGZKCKO.20090226152644.jpg)
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http://twitter.com/finebaum/statuses/4629430064381952#
I may be a :bamahomer: , but I'll be damned if I ever post something from Finebaum.
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I thought you were more familiar with fertile octogenarians?
Mary Moon will outlive all the septaugenarians.
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Mary Moon will outlive all the septaugenarians.
She don't eat meat, but she sure like the bone!
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She don't eat meat, but she sure like the bone!
She must be a new age girl.
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She must be a new age girl.
RAAAH!!!
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So Jody Wright isn't a girl?
Jody Wright is a wizard.
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Jody Wright is a wizard.
Does he live at Waverly Place?
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Does he live at Waverly Place?
No. I think what he meant was he has a wizard's sleeve.
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Does he live at Waverly Place?
If Waverly Place is directly behind the curtain, then yes.
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If Waverly Place is directly behind the curtain, then yes.
Do not arouse the wrath of the great and powerful Oz. I said come back tomorrow
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Do not arouse the wrath of the great and powerful Oz. I said come back tomorrow
You are talking to a man who has laughed in the face of death, sneered at doom and chuckled at catastrophe.
Or has at least faced Nick Fairley.
:fu: