With all the success this off season when do you think it translates to the field? I think Auburn has an excellent chance of playing for a National title in 2010. I'm sure some of you will think I have some secret ulterior motive by saying that but I'm 100% serious.
What do you think?
With all the success this off season when do you think it translates to the field? I think Auburn has an excellent chance of playing for a National title in 2010. I'm sure some of you will think I have some secret ulterior motive by saying that but I'm 100% serious.I think if we commit now to this idea, and don't visit any other ideas we have a solid chance. Some call that the vulture line of thinking, but I think I'll take it.
What do you think?
I think it's VERY possible that the IB does NOT decide the west. Alabama has a tough road to before the IB and could certainly have 3 or 4 losses before Auburn steps off the bus in Tuscaloosa. Likewise I can see Auburn being undefeated going in to the IB. I don't the the IB decides the west.
More BS. You don't believe Alabama will have 3 or 4 losses before the Iron Bowl.
No you don't.
Liar.
There's a difference in saying "Alabama could have" and Alabama will have". I don't think they will but I certainly could see where they could and it certainly wouldn't shock me.
I'm not sure about 2010, it would be nice. It's really kind of hard to dissect, I mean we did bring in a lot of talent which some are JUCO, but it's just too hard to tell. I do believe the offense will be better than last year, it is the D that is the question. Now that we actually have some talent coming in to play reserve and special teams, this may give the starters some much much needed rest. I do, however, believe that the IB will decide the West rep in ATL.
While it may be, there is no rational or logical reason for it to be so. If KISS were replacing Gene and Paul with two guys who had only played a handful of high school proms, while you might hope that they would be able to improve or maintain the band it wouldn't really be reasonable to blindly assume that they would. (*insert but KISS sucks joke here).
Expectations based on hope vs. reality
While it may be, there is no rational or logical reason for it to be so. If KISS were replacing Gene and Paul with two guys who had only played a handful of high school proms, while you might hope that they would be able to improve or maintain the band it wouldn't really be reasonable to blindly assume that they would. (*insert but KISS sucks joke here).Bad analogy.
Expectations based on hope vs. reality
This is off topic to your point but I'll take Bruce Kulick over Ace Frehley anyday.
Bad analogy.
Bad analogy.
Craptastically bad.
While it may be, there is no rational or logical reason for it to be so. If KISS were replacing Gene and Paul with two guys who had only played a handful of high school proms, while you might hope that they would be able to improve or maintain the band it wouldn't really be reasonable to blindly assume that they would. (*insert but KISS sucks joke here).
Expectations based on hope vs. reality
Don't criticize what you do not understand.
But since you did, let me break it down for you.
KISS is a band that most of you would characterize as moderately successful. I disagree, but I'm part of the family.
Auburn is a football team that most would characterize as moderately successful. We disagree, but we're part of the family.
Gene and Paul are the driving force behind the band. They have managers, agents and all manner of people helping them, but in the end the success or failure rests on their performance. Most would characterize them as only moderately talented. I may disagree, but it's because I'm in the family.
Chris Todd and Ben Tate were the driving force behind Auburn's offensive production. 90% of the production started with one or the other. They had coaches, trainers and all manner of people helping them, but in the end the success of failure rested on their performance. Most would characterize them as only moderately talented. We may disagree, but we see things through our own family lens.
If Gene and Paul left the band, it's highly likely that their replacements would have at least as much -- or more -- musical talent. Does that mean that the band itself will automatically be more successful? No. Will the new members mesh with the current members? Will they be able to perform at the same level? Will it take them time to learn the processes and mature into their roles? That's a safe assumption.
Chris and Ben left the offense. The contention here is that their replacements will have at least as much -- or more -- athletic talent. Does that mean the team itself will automatically be more productive? No. Will the new starters mesh with the current starters? Will the offense be able to perform at the same level? Will it take them time to learn the processes and mature into their roles? That's a safe assumption.
Is it possible that KISS would be exponentially better and more successful with new front men? Sure.
Is it possible that Auburn will be exponentially better on offense even as it replaces the bulk of its offense? Sure.
It's just not reasonable to expect it without even knowing who the players will be.
Analogy win.
I quit reading after KISS
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That's an awful lot of words to attempt to justify a horrible analogy.
Would have worked the same if I'd used Aerosmith, Van Halen, Led zep, Pink Floyd, etc.Except I might have read it then.
Who is Kiss?
Who is Kiss?No they're not. Who is from England.
So, Chris Todd is Gene Simmons?
Who is from England.
No they're not. Who is from England.KISS is Who, Who is KISS and Christy is the bimbo!
And yet the analogy is spot on. It's dead center perfect.
Would have worked the same if I'd used Aerosmith, Van Halen, Led zep, Pink Floyd, etc.
KISS is Who, Who is KISS and Christy is the bimbo!
In that scenario, yeah.
KISS is Who, Who is KISS and Christy is the bimbo!If you can get that movie reference without looking it up... +5 to you
Gus Malzahn is Gene Simmons....see my "too long" post above.Why do you guys hate football?
Here's why I disagree...:thumsup:
In the band KISS (or Aerosmith, or Led Zeppelin, etc), the band members are the one's that control the music...they write the songs...they own what they are. The members of KISS create the melody, the rhythm, the words, etc. It's all from within them.
However, you actually can get quite a few "cover" musicians that can reproduce accurately the "notes", and therefore the song. That "cover" guy could never have created it all though...he can only play it. And as for playing it, some will lack the "touch" or the "flare" that another may have had, but either way, they can play the notes to some varying degree of success.
Likewise...I think the same thing is missing in your analogy....the coaches are KISS....not Ben Tate or Chris Todd.
Ben Tate and Chris Todd are the equivalent of the "cover" guy...asked to step in and perform the song written by someone else.
Tate and Todd were the ones "plugged in" to perform the songs written by Malzahn. Tate performed his role pretty well, hitting the notes, and even doing so with a "style" we all appreciated. Todd, at times, played his notes perfectly, but more often than not he was obviously lacking the skill to play the rifts Malzahn had put in front of him.
Next year Malzahn will plug in two new musicians to try to "cover" the songs he's written. Will Newton look at the sheet music put before him and comfortably and creatively "play it" the way Malzahn intended it to be played? Will Aycock or Dyer or whoever be able to play the same chords Tate played with as much success and flare as Tate did?
The point is, we aren't asking two new guys to be the next contributing members of Led Zeppelin. Trying to replace Paige and Plant? Yeah, monumental task. Trying to replace members of ZoSo or Blackdog or any other cover band? Somewhat of a task, sure, but not even remotely the same thing as replacing Paige, Plant, Bonham, etc.
We are trying to find the next members of the cover band to see how close they can play what Jimmy Paige (Gus Malzahn) originally wrote.
The good news for our offense is this...Todd was "wedding singer" quality at being a lead guitar cover man. He could get through the song, but he offered nothing of his own style or flare, and wasn't even that good at simply reproducing the notes. Replacing him with someone at least equally as mediocre shouldn't be too hard.
For Tate, he was much better. He was successful at what he did, no question. The good news? We don't have just one or two new applicants for filling his vacated spot. We have Aycock, Dyer, Smith, Fannin, etc. And from the tapes we've heard and glimpses we've seen, we have reason to think at least one of those guys could adequately play Malzahn's music to the same degree Tate did.
To me, the hope I have that the offense will be at least as good as last year isn't blind hope. It's founded on some pretty decent logic I think. By the way, I know you're not saying the offense will NOT be as good..you're just saying why you're not assuming it. I'm not assuming it either, but I am expecting it.
KISS is Who, Who is KISS and Christy is the bimbo!
Gus Malzahn is Gene Simmons....see my "too long" post above.
Trying to replace members of ZoSo or Blackdog or any other cover band? Somewhat of a task, sure, but not even remotely the same thing as replacing Paige, Plant, Bonham, etc.
Well, midgets aren't that easy to come by.
No, I mean is, you can get a good look at a T-bone by sticking your head up a butcher's ass... No, wait.
KISS is Who, Who is KISS and Christy is the bimbo!People better stop calling me bimbo!
I might change this thread name to "Worlds worst analogies"
Done and done!
You knew it was only a matter of time before this was made.
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Here's why I disagree...
In the band KISS (or Aerosmith, or Led Zeppelin, etc), the band members are the one's that control the music...they write the songs...they own what they are. The members of KISS create the melody, the rhythm, the words, etc. It's all from within them.
However, you actually can get quite a few "cover" musicians that can reproduce accurately the "notes", and therefore the song. That "cover" guy could never have created it all though...he can only play it. And as for playing it, some will lack the "touch" or the "flare" that another may have had, but either way, they can play the notes to some varying degree of success.
Likewise...I think the same thing is missing in your analogy....the coaches are KISS....not Ben Tate or Chris Todd.
Ben Tate and Chris Todd are the equivalent of the "cover" guy...asked to step in and perform the song written by someone else.
Tate and Todd were the ones "plugged in" to perform the songs written by Malzahn. Tate performed his role pretty well, hitting the notes, and even doing so with a "style" we all appreciated. Todd, at times, played his notes perfectly, but more often than not he was obviously lacking the skill to play the rifts Malzahn had put in front of him.
Next year Malzahn will plug in two new musicians to try to "cover" the songs he's written. Will Newton look at the sheet music put before him and comfortably and creatively "play it" the way Malzahn intended it to be played? Will Aycock or Dyer or whoever be able to play the same chords Tate played with as much success and flare as Tate did?
The point is, we aren't asking two new guys to be the next contributing members of Led Zeppelin. Trying to replace Paige and Plant? Yeah, monumental task. Trying to replace members of ZoSo or Blackdog or any other cover band? Somewhat of a task, sure, but not even remotely the same thing as replacing Paige, Plant, Bonham, etc.
We are trying to find the next members of the cover band to see how close they can play what Jimmy Paige (Gus Malzahn) originally wrote.
The good news for our offense is this...Todd was "wedding singer" quality at being a lead guitar cover man. He could get through the song, but he offered nothing of his own style or flare, and wasn't even that good at simply reproducing the notes. Replacing him with someone at least equally as mediocre shouldn't be too hard.
For Tate, he was much better. He was successful at what he did, no question. The good news? We don't have just one or two new applicants for filling his vacated spot. We have Aycock, Dyer, Smith, Fannin, etc. And from the tapes we've heard and glimpses we've seen, we have reason to think at least one of those guys could adequately play Malzahn's music to the same degree Tate did.
To me, the hope I have that the offense will be at least as good as last year isn't blind hope. It's founded on some pretty decent logic I think. By the way, I know you're not saying the offense will NOT be as good..you're just saying why you're not assuming it. I'm not assuming it either, but I am expecting it.
Not according to KISS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tuS7Yap0KY# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tuS7Yap0KY#)
The sad thing is when I saw this during the Superbowl I actually thought to myself I wonder if K is pulling it right now.
I disagree because Malzahn, etc. never perform the music. At best Chiz, Malzahn and the rest would be like manager Doc McGhee, who told the band where to be and when, or Richie Wise or Neil Bogart or Bill Aucoin or Bob Ezrin or Kim Fowley or Michael Bolton or Stan Penridge or Stephen Coronel or Sean Delaney or Vini Poncia or Desmond Child or Howard Marks or Bob Kulick or Pepe Castro or Tony Powers or Anton Fig or Lou Reed or Adam Mitchell or Mikel Japp or Bryan Adams or Jim Vallance or Mitch Weissman or Mick Jagger or Howard Rice or Rod Swenson or Bruce Turgen or Diane Warren or Scott Van Zen or Bob Halligan or Phil Spector ... all of whom managed KISS or wrote/co-wrote songs performed on KISS albums.
While Gene and Paul did have control over the music and image, so too did Tate and Todd have some control over how the offense was managed. Their abilities dictated what plays would be run.
You're replacing the members of the band. More interchangeable than the "founding members" of a band, yes, but you're still replacing the performers on whom the success of the songs played rested. The 2009 Auburn Tigers were, for better or worse, Todd and Tate to a large degree.
Bunch of deleted stuff. I expect similar running results.
Gus Malzahn is Gene Simmons....see my "too long" post above.You don't want Gus to be the Gene Simmons from Arkansas. Trust me. Or trust google. He'll kill yore fambly.
Was wondering what Kaos thought of the SB commercial...
I guess the lesson learned here is that it doesn't matter what band members Todd and Tate are...as long as they are the same religion.
I think this team will be more like Dave Matthews. Leroi Moore, a founding member of the band died last year, and DMB has had to get other sax and horn players to fill in after his death.
Bad analogy. Leroi is sorely missed there.