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Title: Why I Think Lebo Should Stay - THREAD HIJACKED TO TALK FOOTBALL RECRUITING
Post by: Mr. Sensible on January 23, 2010, 06:58:54 PM
Lebo should stay. He is about to get the competitive advantage he has lacked at Auburn - facilities. He should get a chance to see if he can garner the necessary players to make Auburn better by using the facilities as a recruiting tool. To jettison him at this point would be early in my opinion.

So let's all be the Auburn men and women we should be and support Coach Lebo and the Tigers.

P.S. Coach Fortner deserves a raise.
Title: Re: Lebo should stay
Post by: Townhallsavoy on January 23, 2010, 07:24:16 PM
You're right.  The new facilities are perfect for Lebo to start his new career as a janitor. 
Title: Re: Lebo should stay
Post by: Jumbo on January 23, 2010, 08:57:08 PM
He should be fired today. Nice job starting a topic defending the unpopular viewpoint, reminds me of your view against Chizik...
Title: Re: Lebo should stay
Post by: Kaos on January 23, 2010, 10:31:40 PM
Fuck Lebo.  It's done.
Title: Re: Lebo should stay
Post by: jmar on January 24, 2010, 05:18:57 AM
Are better coaches lining up preparing to interview for this position? Who and why?
Title: Re: Lebo should stay
Post by: Jumbo on January 24, 2010, 07:09:17 AM
Are better coaches lining up preparing to interview for this position? Who and why?
Anyone can lose?
Title: Re: Lebo should stay
Post by: Mr. Sensible on January 24, 2010, 07:56:50 AM
He should be fired today. Nice job starting a topic defending the unpopular viewpoint, reminds me of your view against Chizik...

Completely different situation. Apples and grapes.

For the record, it was hard to find support for Chizik until he won 5 games and people crowned him "great" or whatever. I've been fairly consistent in my opinion on him.
Title: Re: Lebo should stay
Post by: Kaos on January 24, 2010, 09:57:08 AM
Are better coaches lining up preparing to interview for this position? Who and why?

This is a STUPID argument and why we will continue to suck with Chizik if he flounders.  This is the kind of unAmerican SHIT that Michael Moore promotes.

We should just accept sucking ass because that's who we are and we can't do any better.  FUCK THAT. 

Anybody who thinks this way can go be a Vanderbilt fan or something.

No, no, a thousand times no. 
Title: Re: Lebo should stay
Post by: jmar on January 24, 2010, 01:09:37 PM
Anyone can lose?

That's right Jumbo!  I simply broke ground for an argument by adding who and what. I can play devils advocate by merely commenting and not taking one side or the other, but in doing so others naturally assume I have already chosen a side. All I know is Lebo has had some fair seasons and most were expecting this to be the season. Also know the facilities suck. I know the past and the Gotfried situation at Tuscaloosa. Where is the argument?
Title: Re: Lebo should stay
Post by: jmar on January 24, 2010, 01:11:45 PM
This is a STUPID argument and why we will continue to suck with Chizik if he flounders.  This is the kind of unAmerican poop that Michael Moore promotes.

We should just accept sucking ass because that's who we are and we can't do any better.  phuk THAT. 

Anybody who thinks this way can go be a Vanderbilt fan or something.

No, no, a thousand times no. 

See above-where is the argument. You are concluding friend.
Title: Re: Lebo should stay
Post by: Kaos on January 24, 2010, 01:15:06 PM
See above-where is the argument. You are concluding friend.

Your question, in and of itself, could be interpreted as a justification for maintaining the status quo (which stinks). 

No conclusion necessary other than the obvious.
Title: Re: Lebo should stay
Post by: jmar on January 24, 2010, 01:25:05 PM
And your response as was written can be taken differently as well.
(Attack the argument) or lack thereof or simply take part or it and run with it like some others do. Michael Moore; what are you campaigning for office. A little over the top even for you. 
Title: Re: Lebo should stay
Post by: Kaos on January 24, 2010, 01:51:48 PM
And your response as was written can be taken differently as well.
(Attack the argument) or lack thereof or simply take part or it and run with it like some others do. Michael Moore; what are you campaigning for office. A little over the top even for you. 

Mike's fat ass happened to be on my TV at the moment and I hate the bastard.  So it just popped out. 

I did attack the argument.  It is stupid. As such, I can only conclude that those promoting that particular argument are lacking some critical thinking skills.
Title: Re: Lebo should stay
Post by: jmar on January 24, 2010, 02:20:05 PM
Mike's fat ass happened to be on my TV at the moment and I hate the bastard.  So it just popped out. 

I did attack the argument.  It is stupid. As such, I can only conclude that those promoting that particular argument are lacking some critical thinking skills.

Damn it, again you assume that because I threw that tidbit out there that I somehow ascribe to an opinion about Lebo's coaching skills. Knowing that AU isn't exactly a basketball Mecca, what harm is there in starting something more than a dislike for him because he wears different colored socks or even better: he sucks!
I think you to be Hamiltonian by design which I can appreciate, but the humor sometimes convalutes your responses. So does that remnant that you call an argument validate my lack of critical thinking skills knowing I am NOT promoting ANY particular argument? :popcorn:   
Title: Re: Lebo should stay
Post by: Kaos on January 24, 2010, 04:17:56 PM
Damn it, again you assume that because I threw that tidbit out there that I somehow ascribe to an opinion about Lebo's coaching skills. Knowing that AU isn't exactly a basketball Mecca, what harm is there in starting something more than a dislike for him because he wears different colored socks or even better: he sucks!
I think you to be Hamiltonian by design which I can appreciate, but the humor sometimes convalutes your responses. So does that remnant that you call an argument validate my lack of critical thinking skills knowing I am NOT promoting ANY particular argument? :popcorn:   

Not necessarily that you espoused it, but someone will.  The advancement of that position would be a fail. 
Title: Re: Lebo should stay
Post by: AUChizad on January 24, 2010, 06:07:17 PM
Completely different situation. Apples and grapes.

For the record, it was hard to find support for Chizik until he won 5 games and people crowned him "great" or whatever. I've been fairly consistent in my opinion on him.
You're damn right it's apples & oranges.

How you can defend Lebo after nearly a decade of sucking shit, and at the same time bash and bitch about Chizik after a pretty good year without a lot to work with, improving on last year, and an unprecedentedly successful recruiting class...completely defies logic.
Title: Re: Lebo should stay
Post by: Kaos on January 24, 2010, 06:14:44 PM
You're damn right it's apples & oranges.

How you can defend Lebo after nearly a decade of sucking shit, and at the same time bash and bitch about Chizik after a pretty good year without a lot to work with, improving on last year, and an unprecedentedly successful recruiting class...completely defies logic.

Be careful there...
Title: Re: Lebo should stay
Post by: Mr. Sensible on January 24, 2010, 09:30:42 PM
You're damn right it's apples & oranges.

How you can defend Lebo after nearly a decade of sucking shit, and at the same time bash and bitch about Chizik after a pretty good year without a lot to work with, improving on last year, and an unprecedentedly successful recruiting class...completely defies logic.

If I am "damn right" then you should see the different.

Also, I assume when you write "unprecedentedly successful recruiting class" you are referring to the impending ranking. Otherwise, I'd like to have a look into the crystal ball of the future you have in your possession. Like Back to the Future 2 - I'd like to put some duckets on the winners.
Title: Re: Lebo should stay
Post by: AUChizad on January 24, 2010, 11:56:56 PM
If I am "damn right" then you should see the different.

Also, I assume when you write "unprecedentedly successful recruiting class" you are referring to the impending ranking. Otherwise, I'd like to have a look into the crystal ball of the future you have in your possession. Like Back to the Future 2 - I'd like to put some duckets on the winners.
Of course, it's more logical to assume that a class full of the most 5* recruits in Auburn history will be epic failures and Chizik is a blathering idiot for recruiting them.

That's just logic.

And you're damn right that the Chizik and Lebo situations are different. You're damn wrong in the way you apparently see which one's a problem and which one isn't.
Title: Re: Lebo should stay
Post by: Mr. Sensible on January 25, 2010, 12:17:04 AM
 :doh:

You are so fast to misjudge my opinions on Chizik. My opinions about what he may or may not do have been based on what he's done as a head coach - 3-9, 2-10, 8-5. That's reality. The most 5 stars in Auburn history is 3? I'll have to do a little digging on that one. If that's true, damn.

As far as Lebo goes, it's more my belief that Jacobs won't make a good move and that Lebo might get it done if given the level playing field (solid facilities to use in recruiting).

That's one thing that helped Chizik - AU football facilities are good and there is a tradition of some winning here to build upon. When he wins some hardware, I'll be proven wrong. Otherwise, he's just living up to what we've had.

Title: Re: Lebo should stay
Post by: AUChizad on January 25, 2010, 12:37:16 AM
That's reality. The most 5 stars in Auburn history is 3? I'll have to do a little digging on that one. If that's true, damn.
First of all, we have two more very likely coming down the pipeline.

Secondly, you say that as if one class with three 5-stars is unimpressive. They don't hand them out like free candy, in case you didn't know.
Title: Re: Lebo should stay
Post by: Mr. Sensible on January 25, 2010, 08:13:52 AM
First of all, we have two more very likely coming down the pipeline.

Secondly, you say that as if one class with three 5-stars is unimpressive. They don't hand them out like free candy, in case you didn't know.

Jeffrey Lee thanks you for spreading his propaganda. If Auburn gets two more, that's impressive. If they don't, three isn't bad. I never said that.

I also don't believe one class with three five-stars equates to immediate national championship contender. You do. Fine. We disagree. I'm done arguing with you about football here or anywhere else. You and I don't see eye to eye. You were right about the ranking. Enjoy your steak.

Finally, this thread is about BASKETBALL and JEFF LEBO. He won 24 games last year! So, it's a little down. It's hard to reload when you play in a bad facility. Give him two years in the new place. If it doesn't improve, then it's time to change. Until then, give him the same measure of chance you gave a 5-19 football coach.
Title: Re: Lebo should stay
Post by: AUChizad on January 25, 2010, 09:54:00 AM
Jeffrey Lee thanks you for spreading his propaganda. If Auburn gets two more, that's impressive. If they don't, three isn't bad. I never said that.

I also don't believe one class with three five-stars equates to immediate national championship contender. You do. Fine. We disagree. I'm done arguing with you about football here or anywhere else. You and I don't see eye to eye. You were right about the ranking. Enjoy your steak.

Finally, this thread is about BASKETBALL and JEFF LEBO. He won 24 games last year! So, it's a little down. It's hard to reload when you play in a bad facility. Give him two years in the new place. If it doesn't improve, then it's time to change. Until then, give him the same measure of chance you gave a 5-19 football coach.
We'll stick to your ignorance in the arena of basketball then.

Cliff Ellis was the previous Auburn basketball coach. He was there from 1994-5 season to the 2003-4 season. An even ten years.

In that time, Ellis got us in the NIT four times and the NCAA tournament three times. Of those three, he got us to the second round once, and to the sweet 16 the other two times. He went 29-4 and won an SEC championship in 1999.

He was fired for not getting us even to the NIT two of his last three years (amongst other things, admittedly, similar to Tuberville's last days). He made it to the Sweet 16 the year between those two bad years.

In contrast, Lebo  got us to the NIT for the first time in his Auburn career, five years in. Zero NCAA appearances. We've been 5th or 6th in the West every year but two (last year, of course being our best placing). This year is shaping up to be our worst. If we had done even halfway decent this year, it could be forgivable and one might come to the conclusion that while this season was a step back, the overall momentum is heading in the right direction. This display of suckage is evidence that last year was indeed the anomaly. And when one NIT appearance is your peak, then it's obvious, you're not going to get it done.
Title: Re: Why I Think Lebo Should Stay - THREAD HIJACKED TO TALK FOOTBALL RECRUITING
Post by: Saniflush on January 25, 2010, 09:59:58 AM
Luckily Saturday i will have enough bourbon in me to ease the pain.
Title: Re: Why I Think Lebo Should Stay - THREAD HIJACKED TO TALK FOOTBALL RECRUITING
Post by: AWK on January 25, 2010, 11:21:25 AM
Luckily Saturday i will have enough bourbon in me to ease the pain.
As will I sir, as will I.
Title: Re: Lebo should stay
Post by: GH2001 on January 25, 2010, 03:07:05 PM


In contrast, Lebo  got us to the NIT for the first time in his Auburn career, five years in. Zero NCAA appearances. We've been 5th or 6th in the West every year but two (last year, of course being our best placing). This year is shaping up to be our worst. If we had done even halfway decent this year, it could be forgivable and one might come to the conclusion that while this season was a step back, the overall momentum is heading in the right direction. This display of suckage is evidence that last year was indeed the anomaly. And when one NIT appearance is your peak, then it's obvious, you're not going to get it done.

THIS.....

yes - last year WAS an anomaly. Its pretty damned apparent.
Title: Re: Why I Think Lebo Should Stay - THREAD HIJACKED TO TALK FOOTBALL RECRUITING
Post by: Buzz Killington on January 25, 2010, 03:08:41 PM
Luckily Saturday i will have enough bourbon in me to ease the pain.

I'm gonna be throwing stuff on the court if the Tigers don't win.
Title: Re: Why I Think Lebo Should Stay - THREAD HIJACKED TO TALK FOOTBALL RECRUITING
Post by: ssgaufan on January 25, 2010, 03:11:49 PM
I'm gonna be throwing stuff on the court if the Tigers don't win.

Take a lot of stuff then.
Title: Re: Why I Think Lebo Should Stay - THREAD HIJACKED TO TALK FOOTBALL RECRUITING
Post by: Saniflush on January 25, 2010, 03:16:15 PM
Take a lot of stuff then.

I think this is the stuff he was talking about.

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Title: Re: Why I Think Lebo Should Stay - THREAD HIJACKED TO TALK FOOTBALL RECRUITING
Post by: Jumbo on January 25, 2010, 03:37:13 PM
I'm gonna be throwing stuff on the court if the Tigers don't win.
If you throw something on the court, you will face the "I'm driving us home penalty"
Title: Re: Why I Think Lebo Should Stay - THREAD HIJACKED TO TALK FOOTBALL RECRUITING
Post by: Buzz Killington on January 25, 2010, 03:43:17 PM
If you throw something on the court, you will face the "I'm driving us home penalty"
Nevermind then.
Title: Re: Why I Think Lebo Should Stay - THREAD HIJACKED TO TALK FOOTBALL RECRUITING
Post by: Kaos on January 25, 2010, 08:47:01 PM
Working in Monkeytown today. Heard a little of Josh Moon.  His take on Lebo makes sense.

X's and O's Lebo is an excellent coach. Probably upper half of the SEC.

But he comes from the Carolina mentality where good kids line up to play. At a D2 or lower tier school where talent is relatively equal to competition he can thrive.   

Personality-wise? He's a dead fish. Lebo does not give the first shit about recruiting. Following NC traditon, we allegedly have a recruiting assistant assigned to the New York playgrounds --'despite the fact we've never pulled a soul from there.  He has no interest in reaching out to prep
coaches and puts little effort into the process. I know I've worked the HS final four several times and never saw him. Gottfried, Ciampi and others? Yeah.

I don't entirely buy the X and O argument but I do think he is better than we show. 

 
Title: Re: Why I Think Lebo Should Stay - THREAD HIJACKED TO TALK FOOTBALL RECRUITING
Post by: jadennis on January 25, 2010, 10:59:50 PM
this is all likely right on.  But you know what?  Itls not really important that we ever figure it out about Lebo.  It only matters that he HASN't figured it out.  It is what it is.  No matter the cause, the pluses verse the minuses, etc.  The fact (and I know you know this), is that Lebow doesn't work at Auburn.  Simple as that.  It just doesn't work.  Whatever his combination of strengths and weaknesses, they haven't improved the program.  At all.  

Tubby Smith didn't need facilities to win at Georgia.  Ellis didn't have any here.  And has the SEC ever been more mediocre than the years that Lebo has been here?   Sensi, I simply can't grasp how you can think he deserves more time.  Facilities are not going to solve this.  Billie Gillispie won big at Texas A&M with worse facilities and history than Auburn has.  Then he go to Kentucky where he had it all and failed.  He simply didn't work there (with facilities), yet he won at A&M (with nothing). Calipari comes in....undefeated.

Lebow has had a chance to show he can atleast improve on what he found.  He hasn't.  Why waste the new builing on him?  Let a fresh guy come in and sell it.
Title: Re: Why I Think Lebo Should Stay - THREAD HIJACKED TO TALK FOOTBALL RECRUITING
Post by: Kaos on January 25, 2010, 11:20:43 PM
this is all likely right on.  But you know what?  Itls not really important that we ever figure it out about Lebo.  It only matters that he HASN't figured it out.  It is what it is.  No matter the cause, the pluses verse the minuses, etc.  The fact (and I know you know this), is that Lebow doesn't work at Auburn.  Simple as that.  It just doesn't work.  Whatever his combination of strengths and weaknesses, they haven't improved the program.  At all.  

Tubby Smith didn't need facilities to win at Georgia.  Ellis didn't have any here.  And has the SEC ever been more mediocre than the years that Lebo has been here?   Sensi, I simply can't grasp how you can think he deserves more time.  Facilities are not going to solve this.  Billie Gillispie won big at Texas A&M with worse facilities and history than Auburn has.  Then he go to Kentucky where he had it all and failed.  He simply didn't work there (with facilities), yet he won at A&M (with nothing). Calipari comes in....undefeated.

Lebow has had a chance to show he can atleast improve on what he found.  He hasn't.  Why waste the new builing on him?  Let a fresh guy come in and sell it.

Oh, I wasn't selling him.  I wanted to burn down his house four years ago. 
Title: Re: Why I Think Lebo Should Stay - THREAD HIJACKED TO TALK FOOTBALL RECRUITING
Post by: AUChizad on January 26, 2010, 10:24:27 AM
Working in Monkeytown today. Heard a little of Josh Moon.
What station does he come on there? I may start tuning into that on my Wunderradio app. Finedong has gone from funny by how biased he is and how ignorant the callers are, to completely intolerable.
Title: Re: Why I Think Lebo Should Stay - THREAD HIJACKED TO TALK FOOTBALL RECRUITING
Post by: Kaos on January 26, 2010, 10:50:44 AM
All I know is 740 AM
Title: Re: Why I Think Lebo Should Stay - THREAD HIJACKED TO TALK FOOTBALL RECRUITING
Post by: AUChizad on January 26, 2010, 11:16:07 AM
All I know is 740 AM
Got it. WMSP-AM SportsRadio 740.

Colin Cowherd is on now though... :rolleyes:

When do the local guys come on?
Title: Re: Why I Think Lebo Should Stay - THREAD HIJACKED TO TALK FOOTBALL RECRUITING
Post by: Mr. Sensible on January 26, 2010, 11:50:49 AM
Got it. WMSP-AM SportsRadio 740.

Colin Cowherd is on now though... :rolleyes:

When do the local guys come on?

Moon and Amos are on 12 pm-2pm. Then Finebaum.

The morning show is 7 am-10 am on that station.
Title: Re: Why I Think Lebo Should Stay - THREAD HIJACKED TO TALK FOOTBALL RECRUITING
Post by: jmar on January 29, 2010, 08:52:06 AM
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Now I'm real proud you all showed up ready to support your team. There are refreshments at the door and indoor facilities should you feel the need. And please mind your torches around small children and always walk with your pitchforks in a vertical or upright position. And please, act like you've done this before for God's sake. No coolers!
Title: Re: Why I Think Lebo Should Stay - THREAD HIJACKED TO TALK FOOTBALL RECRUITING
Post by: AUChizad on January 29, 2010, 09:33:52 AM
Another good first half, with a craptastic second half showing. WTF?

I listened to the beginning of the game. We went up 11-4 right off the bat. Once again we led at the half and end up losing by double digits.

The mullets will be unbearable this weekend. I simply must get obnoxiously drunk.
Title: Re: Why I Think Lebo Should Stay - THREAD HIJACKED TO TALK FOOTBALL RECRUITING
Post by: Saniflush on January 29, 2010, 09:35:45 AM
The mullets will be unbearable this weekend. I simply must get obnoxiously drunk.

Been my experience that most of them do not have enough sac to say anything.
Title: Re: Why I Think Lebo Should Stay - THREAD HIJACKED TO TALK FOOTBALL RECRUITING
Post by: AWK on January 29, 2010, 10:25:21 AM
Been my experience that most of them do not have enough sac to say anything.
Especially not in Auburn.
Title: Re: Why I Think Lebo Should Stay - THREAD HIJACKED TO TALK FOOTBALL RECRUITING
Post by: Tarheel on January 29, 2010, 05:33:50 PM
Another good first half, with a craptastic second half showing. WTF?

I listened to the beginning of the game. We went up 11-4 right off the bat. Once again we led at the half and end up losing by double digits.

The mullets will be unbearable this weekend. I simply must get obnoxiously drunk.

For some reason I feel the same way...what a terrible basketball season...the dookies will be as insufferable as the mullets.  I'm just glad that the 'Heels beat NC State this week; broke that unprecedented loosing streak.