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Title: The more things change, the more they stay the same......
Post by: The Prowler on August 20, 2009, 04:15:35 AM
Spuat player arrested.....Harassment,  :rofl:

Courtney Upshaw (http://tuscco.com/publicquery/Details/pgDetails.aspx?id=1309205)

Where's that Ice Cream truck?
Title: Re: The more things change, the more they stay the same......
Post by: RWS on August 20, 2009, 07:14:02 AM
Spuat player arrested.....Harassment,  :rofl:

Courtney Upshaw (http://tuscco.com/publicquery/Details/pgDetails.aspx?id=1309205)

Where's that Ice Cream truck?
Damn, that sucks for him. Funny, you didn't bat an eye when Quentin Groves was arrested for the same thing. What was even more amusing was it was never even reported until he went into the draft.
Title: Re: The more things change, the more they stay the same......
Post by: AuburnChopper 3.0 on August 20, 2009, 08:39:50 AM
Damn, that sucks for him. Funny, you didn't bat an eye when Quentin Groves was arrested for the same thing. What was even more amusing was it was never even reported until he went into the draft.

I guess, when you aren't part of a group, or team with player after player getting arrested, it's just not as newsworthy.

Other than that, I got nothin'.

Title: Re: The more things change, the more they stay the same......
Post by: RWS on August 20, 2009, 08:46:42 AM
Also, FWIW, the other party in this was taken to jail as well on the same charges. I would almost bet the cases on both will be dropped, much like the Quentin Groves deal.
Title: Re: The more things change, the more they stay the same......
Post by: RWS on August 20, 2009, 08:50:54 AM
I guess, when you aren't part of a group, or team with player after player getting arrested, it's just not as newsworthy.

Other than that, I got nothin'.


I can't deny our team had some issues, but I think those have been resolved for the most part. Things have been relatively quiet for a while, up until now anyway.
Title: Re: The more things change, the more they stay the same......
Post by: AuburnChopper 3.0 on August 20, 2009, 09:01:58 AM
I can't deny our team had some issues, but I think those have been resolved for the most part. Things have been relatively quiet for a while, up until now anyway.

True, but during Groves dealio, it wasn't. 

We'll see how things go for the Tide, but admittedly, anything less than a cocaine bust, or a string of eight arrests, would be MUCH quieter.
Title: Re: The more things change, the more they stay the same......
Post by: El Guapo on August 20, 2009, 09:05:45 AM
I think our next logical step is child trafficking for sex labor.
Title: Re: The more things change, the more they stay the same......
Post by: Saniflush on August 20, 2009, 09:27:36 AM
I think our next logical step is child trafficking for sex labor.
:bugs:
Title: Re: The more things change, the more they stay the same......
Post by: AUChizad on August 20, 2009, 10:12:34 AM
Correction: He was charged with 3rd Degree Domestic violence AND harassment.

The bammer beatwriters are just reporting it as harrassment.

http://tuscco.com/publicquery/Details/pgDetails.aspx?id=1309205 (http://tuscco.com/publicquery/Details/pgDetails.aspx?id=1309205)
Title: Re: The more things change, the more they stay the same......
Post by: RWS on August 20, 2009, 10:18:06 AM
Correction: He was charged with 3rd Degree Domestic violence AND harassment.

The bammer beatwriters are just reporting it as harrassment.

http://tuscco.com/publicquery/Details/pgDetails.aspx?id=1309205 (http://tuscco.com/publicquery/Details/pgDetails.aspx?id=1309205)
Don't make me have to go Title 13A on your ass.....

No, he was charged with DV3/Harassment. That is a single charge. Had it been two separate charges, it would be listed as such. DV3/Harassment is basically a domestic, except no physical violence took place. It is a heated verbal altercation between two parties who are acquainted, as in family, or in a relationship, etc. There are different subtitles of DV3 you can get charged with....such as DV3/Harassment, DV3/Menacing, DV3/Reckless Endangerment, etc.

DV3 involves a physical altercation.

Harassment is a heated verbal altercation between two parties who are not relatives or otherwise domestically involved with each other.

In essence, he did basically the same thing Nico did, except with a chick he was banging. That makes it DV3/Harassment. That is probably why the beat reporters are reporting it as harassment. No physical altercation took place.

Some people are saying he got hit in the head with a beer bottle by some guy, and then Courtney retaliated. But if that had happened he would have been charged with Assault. The chick he is banging isn't that bad looking either, but she's apparently....familiar....with the football team.  
Title: Re: The more things change, the more they stay the same......
Post by: Saniflush on August 20, 2009, 10:24:25 AM
The chick he is banging isn't that bad looking either, but she's apparently....familiar....with the football team.   

This is worthless without pictures.
Title: Re: The more things change, the more they stay the same......
Post by: Buzz Killington on August 20, 2009, 10:24:50 AM
The chick he is banging isn't that bad looking either, but she's apparently....familiar....with the football team.  
How old is she...El Guapo may be on to something.
Title: Re: The more things change, the more they stay the same......
Post by: AuburnChopper 3.0 on August 20, 2009, 10:26:31 AM
Some people are saying he got hit in the head with a beer bottle by some guy, and then Courtney retaliated. But if that had happened he would have been charged with Assault. The chick he is banging isn't that bad looking either, but she's apparently....familiar....with the football team.  

So this is the word on the "skreets"?

Also, isn't it ALWAYS a "retaliation", or "because someone else started it" with these guys?

Seriously.
Title: Re: The more things change, the more they stay the same......
Post by: RWS on August 20, 2009, 10:28:06 AM
This is worthless without pictures.
Ask, and ye shall receive.

http://tuscco.com/publicquery/Details/pgDetails.aspx?id=1309203 (http://tuscco.com/publicquery/Details/pgDetails.aspx?id=1309203)
Title: Re: The more things change, the more they stay the same......
Post by: AuburnChopper 3.0 on August 20, 2009, 10:30:14 AM
Ask, and ye shall receive.

http://tuscco.com/publicquery/Details/pgDetails.aspx?id=1309203 (http://tuscco.com/publicquery/Details/pgDetails.aspx?id=1309203)

This belongs in the mugshots dealio. 
Title: Re: The more things change, the more they stay the same......
Post by: RWS on August 20, 2009, 10:32:38 AM
So this is the word on the "skreets"?

Also, isn't it ALWAYS a "retaliation", or "because someone else started it" with these guys?

Seriously.
Yeah, I've been shooting it down wherever I see it anywhere that I post. Bottom line, he fucked up. Maybe it wasn't entirely his fault, maybe it was. But its like I tell alot of people that come through our jail, watch who you hang out with and don't put yourself in a situation where you would even have a possibility of going to jail. Could he have walked away? Probably. But he didn't, therefore, he put himself in a situation.
Title: Re: The more things change, the more they stay the same......
Post by: AuburnChopper 3.0 on August 20, 2009, 10:34:59 AM
Yeah, I've been shooting it down wherever I see it anywhere that I post. Bottom line, he fucked up. Maybe it wasn't entirely his fault, maybe it was. But its like I tell alot of people that come through our jail, watch who you hang out with and don't put yourself in a situation where you would even have a possibility of going to jail. Could he have walked away? Probably. But he didn't, therefore, he put himself in a situation.

Good to see you have some downtime from the mic and headset to do some counseling.

It IS more quiet this year.  Who IS currently in the lead for the Fullmer Cup?
Title: Re: The more things change, the more they stay the same......
Post by: RWS on August 20, 2009, 10:41:56 AM
Good to see you have some downtime from the mic and headset to do some counseling.

It IS more quiet this year.  Who IS currently in the lead for the Fullmer Cup?
I have to work in the jail half the time, but thanks for asking. I'm actually training everybody in the jail to use the AFIS system as well, which takes digital fingerprints and submits them to ABI. I love this whole recession thing. They lay people off, cut the pay for the remaining people, raise your insurance cost, and ask you to do two or three jobs. Its not horrible, at least I still have a job and I like what I'm doing. Alot of people aren't as lucky.
Title: Re: The more things change, the more they stay the same......
Post by: AuburnChopper 3.0 on August 20, 2009, 10:43:47 AM
I have to work in the jail half the time, but thanks for asking. I'm actually training everybody in the jail to use the AFIS system as well, which takes digital fingerprints and submits them to ABI. I love this whole recession thing. They lay people off, cut the pay for the remaining people, raise your insurance cost, and ask you to do two or three jobs. Its not horrible, at least I still have a job and I like what I'm doing. Alot of people aren't as lucky.

Agreed. 
Title: Re: The more things change, the more they stay the same......
Post by: Saniflush on August 20, 2009, 10:58:52 AM
Current standings.

http://www.sportsargumentwiki.com/index.php?title=Fulmer_Cup (http://www.sportsargumentwiki.com/index.php?title=Fulmer_Cup)
Title: Re: The more things change, the more they stay the same......
Post by: AUChizad on August 20, 2009, 11:05:10 AM
Current standings.

http://www.sportsargumentwiki.com/index.php?title=Fulmer_Cup (http://www.sportsargumentwiki.com/index.php?title=Fulmer_Cup)
Bama wasn't even on the board until now? (Not updated yet, of course).

I'm impressed. I guess it really has been quiet over there since the 2008 Fulmer Cup race ended.
Title: Re: The more things change, the more they stay the same......
Post by: Come Honor Face on August 20, 2009, 12:56:01 PM
Her last name gives me headaches.
Title: Re: The more things change, the more they stay the same......
Post by: CCTAU on August 20, 2009, 01:52:48 PM
Her daddy would be so proud.
Title: Re: The more things change, the more they stay the same......
Post by: AUChizad on August 20, 2009, 01:55:48 PM
http://blog.al.com/bamabeat/2009/08/father_of_girl_involved_in_alt.html (http://blog.al.com/bamabeat/2009/08/father_of_girl_involved_in_alt.html)

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Father of girl involved in altercation with Tide's Courtney Upshaw: "I don't think he laid a hand on her."
Posted by Gentry Estes, Mobile Press-Register August 20, 2009 11:29 AM
Categories: Breaking News, Football, SEC

Alabama linebacker Courtney Upshaw did not initiate the altercation that landed him in jail today on a charge of misdemeanor domestic violence/harassment, the father of the female involved told the Press-Register.
Courtney Upshaw (Scout.com photo)

Kendall Grzyb, a 19-year-old UA student from Madison, Ala., was arrested on the same charge as Upshaw. According to her father, the two "had been dating on-again and off-again" and were arguing around 10 p.m. Wednesday near the Student Recreation Center on campus.

Dave Grzyb called it "a simple lovers' quarrel altercation."

"The cops just happened to be there and see it and they took them both in," he said, "I hate to see this guy get in too much trouble because I honestly think it was probably initiated by my daughter. I don't think he laid a hand on her. He just tried to restrain her to keep from getting hit again."

The arrests were made by University of Alabama Police.
 

Upshaw, 19, was booked in the Tuscaloosa County Jail at 1:25 a.m. this morning. The domestic charge carried a $500 bond and 12-hour holding period for Upshaw and Grzyb. She was released in the past hour, according to her father.

"Neither one of them pressed charges on each other," Dave Grzyb said. "The cops witnessed it. So I don't know whose hands it's in."

Upshaw, a sophomore from Eufaula, is competing for the starting Jack linebacker spot on Alabama's defense. He played in 13 games last season.

Nick Saban is expected to address Upshaw's situation later today. The Crimson Tide has practice at 3:30 p.m.

WTF? I know bringing this up will make rws's head explode, but something is...unsettling here.

If your 19 year old daughter just got hauled in by the police on a third degree domestic violence charge with her "on-again, off-again" boyfriend, are you going to just throw her under the bus like that? Are you going to make assumptions like "I don't think he put a hand on her" or "she probably started it"?
Title: Re: The more things change, the more they stay the same......
Post by: RWS on August 20, 2009, 02:00:45 PM
http://blog.al.com/bamabeat/2009/08/father_of_girl_involved_in_alt.html (http://blog.al.com/bamabeat/2009/08/father_of_girl_involved_in_alt.html)

WTF? I know bringing this up will make rws's head explode, but something is...unsettling here.

If your 19 year old daughter just got hauled in by the police on a third degree domestic violence charge with her "on-again, off-again" boyfriend, are you going to just throw her under the bus like that? Are you going to make assumptions like "I don't think he put a hand on her" or "she probably started it"?
God forbid he was actually.....*gasp*.....telling the truth? Somebody has to be the primary aggressor. Somebody has to start it. You're right its going to make my head explode, only due to the fact that it didn't turn out the way you wanted it to so now that the truth comes out, you're still trying to make your original assumptions stick. Lets go ahead and forget that he has spoken to his daughter and all, and has some idea of what happened. Or that he talked to police and found out exactly what happened. The charged they were both charged with are consistant with what the father is saying. And its so surprising to you that he may be accurate? Keep hoping, Chizad.....just keep hoping. Your last post is simply translated as "Damn, I want this to be much more than what happened."

Had this happened with an AU player, you would take the father's statement and beat me over the head with it. You wouldn't be bitching about the girl being "thrown under the bus". I can hear it now; "Well, if the girls dad is saying this, then that says something right there.....she must be a crazy bitch."
Title: Re: The more things change, the more they stay the same......
Post by: Buzz Killington on August 20, 2009, 02:01:44 PM
http://blog.al.com/bamabeat/2009/08/father_of_girl_involved_in_alt.html (http://blog.al.com/bamabeat/2009/08/father_of_girl_involved_in_alt.html)

WTF? I know bringing this up will make rws's head explode, but something is...unsettling here.

If your 19 year old daughter just got hauled in by the police on a third degree domestic violence charge with her "on-again, off-again" boyfriend, are you going to just throw her under the bus like that? Are you going to make assumptions like "I don't think he put a hand on her" or "she probably started it"?

Make$ you wonder what could have made him $peak like thi$, huh? 
Title: Re: The more things change, the more they stay the same......
Post by: Saniflush on August 20, 2009, 02:21:57 PM
God forbid he was actually.....*gasp*.....telling the truth? Somebody has to be the primary aggressor. Somebody has to start it. You're right its going to make my head explode, only due to the fact that it didn't turn out the way you wanted it to so now that the truth comes out, you're still trying to make your original assumptions stick. Lets go ahead and forget that he has spoken to his daughter and all, and has some idea of what happened. Or that he talked to police and found out exactly what happened. The charged they were both charged with are consistant with what the father is saying. And its so surprising to you that he may be accurate? Keep hoping, Chizad.....just keep hoping. Your last post is simply translated as "Damn, I want this to be much more than what happened."

Had this happened with an AU player, you would take the father's statement and beat me over the head with it. You wouldn't be bitching about the girl being "thrown under the bus". I can hear it now; "Well, if the girls dad is saying this, then that says something right there.....she must be a crazy bitch."

Could be he just knows his daughter is a bitch.
Title: Re: The more things change, the more they stay the same......
Post by: AUChizad on August 20, 2009, 02:40:41 PM
God forbid he was actually.....*gasp*.....telling the truth? Somebody has to be the primary aggressor. Somebody has to start it. You're right its going to make my head explode, only due to the fact that it didn't turn out the way you wanted it to so now that the truth comes out, you're still trying to make your original assumptions stick. Lets go ahead and forget that he has spoken to his daughter and all, and has some idea of what happened. Or that he talked to police and found out exactly what happened. The charged they were both charged with are consistant with what the father is saying. And its so surprising to you that he may be accurate? Keep hoping, Chizad.....just keep hoping. Your last post is simply translated as "Damn, I want this to be much more than what happened."

Had this happened with an AU player, you would take the father's statement and beat me over the head with it. You wouldn't be bitching about the girl being "thrown under the bus". I can hear it now; "Well, if the girls dad is saying this, then that says something right there.....she must be a crazy bitch."
Whatever, dude.

I can tell you this. If it were my daughter getting hauled to jail for a domestic violence charge with her fuck-buddy, I wouldn't be taking his side. I sure as shit wouldn't be notifying the newspapers that my daughter "probably started it." Even if I knew for a fact my daughter started it, I wouldn't be volunteering that to the papers. And I wouldn't take my daughter's word either. I'd be concerned.

How many times have you been arrested for a "simple lover's quarrel"?

If your coworkers (TPD) are throwing kids in the slammer for no reason HALF the times you've claimed, then I'd say you're a part of quite a corrupt organization.
Title: Re: The more things change, the more they stay the same......
Post by: AuburnChopper 3.0 on August 20, 2009, 02:47:02 PM
Whatever, dude.

I can tell you this. If it were my daughter getting hauled to jail for a domestic violence charge with her fuck-buddy, I wouldn't be taking his side. I sure as shit wouldn't be notifying the newspapers that my daughter "probably started it." Even if I knew for a fact my daughter started it, I wouldn't be volunteering that to the papers. And I wouldn't take my daughter's word either. I'd be concerned.

How many times have you been arrested for a "simple lover's quarrel"?

If your coworkers (TPD) are throwing kids in the slammer for no reason HALF the times you've claimed, then I'd say you're a part of quite a corrupt organization.

This is MUCH too logical.  I look forward to the response.  It should be glorious.
Title: Re: The more things change, the more they stay the same......
Post by: RWS on August 20, 2009, 02:50:22 PM
Whatever, dude.

I can tell you this. If it were my daughter getting hauled to jail for a domestic violence charge with her fuck-buddy, I wouldn't be taking his side. I sure as shit wouldn't be notifying the newspapers that my daughter "probably started it." Even if I knew for a fact my daughter started it, I wouldn't be volunteering that to the papers. And I wouldn't take my daughter's word either. I'd be concerned.

How many times have you been arrested for a "simple lover's quarrel"?

If your coworkers (TPD) are throwing kids in the slammer for no reason HALF the times you've claimed, then I'd say you're a part of quite a corrupt organization.
"Whatever, dude." Thats all you got? Really? Your whole argument is weak dude. I'm sorry that this bitch's dad is a little more candid than you, but who are you to say that what he is saying is total bullshit? With every post you make continuing your argument, you are just screaming "I WANT THIS TO BE SOMETHING IT ISN'T, AND I'M GOING TO BITCH TO MAKE MYSELF FEEL BETTER!!!!". Again, had the same exact thing happened to an AU player, you would be beating me over the head with the father's statements. Did you take Prowler's stupid pills before hitting reply or something? 
Title: Re: The more things change, the more they stay the same......
Post by: El Guapo on August 20, 2009, 02:50:39 PM
I'll be honest; I don't give two fucks what happened.

I'm not one of those guys that thinks it's not ok to hit a bitch. I would never start anything with a woman, but if she tried to hit me like a man, then she'd get hit like one. But I digress...

Personally, I don't care what he did or didn't do. Sucks he was in the situation, but I want my team to win. Don't get in those situations, or for fucks sake, cover that shit up!

Just win baby.
Title: Re: The more things change, the more they stay the same......
Post by: Snaggletiger on August 20, 2009, 02:51:43 PM
I have an 18 year old daughter that just started at Auburn.  I read what this "Dad" said and personally, I think he needs a little domestic violence upside his fucking head.  What an incredible cocksucker this guy is to publically rip his own daughter.
Title: Re: The more things change, the more they stay the same......
Post by: RWS on August 20, 2009, 02:57:25 PM
This is MUCH too logical.  I look forward to the response.  It should be glorious.
Seeing as how you are agreeing that is logical, it doesn't make it so. Since Chizad wouldn't have done what the father did, that automatically makes Chizad's argument logical? Uhhhh, ok......

Since I have never been arrested for arguing with my wife, then what the father said cannot be true. Logic only in your mind, Chopper.

Lets just dismiss that maybe this isn't the first time her dad has had problems with his little girl. Lets go ahead and not think about maybe he's tired of her bullshit. Nevermind that he knows she's got a screw or two loose. We can't reasonably think those things, the only thoughts reasonable in you and Chizad's eyes is that there is something sinister going on here.
Title: Re: The more things change, the more they stay the same......
Post by: Jumbo on August 20, 2009, 03:07:00 PM
I have an 18 year old daughter that just started at Auburn.  I read what this "Dad" said and personally, I think he needs a little domestic violence upside his fucking head.  What an incredible cocksucker this guy is to publically rip his own daughter.
Thats what I was thinking.
Title: Re: The more things change, the more they stay the same......
Post by: Snaggletiger on August 20, 2009, 03:11:17 PM
Seeing as how you are agreeing that is logical, it doesn't make it so. Since Chizad wouldn't have done what the father did, that automatically makes Chizad's argument logical? Uhhhh, ok......

Since I have never been arrested for arguing with my wife, then what the father said cannot be true. Logic only in your mind, Chopper.

Lets just dismiss that maybe this isn't the first time her dad has had problems with his little girl. Lets go ahead and not think about maybe he's tired of her bullshiitake. Nevermind that he knows she's got a screw or two loose. We can't reasonably think those things, the only thoughts reasonable in you and Chizad's eyes is that there is something sinister going on here.


The problem is not whether CU actually bitch slapped a ho or not.  Either way, it's not that big of a deal.  Lovers spat turns into girl slap fight.  Whatever.

What throws red flags up is a "Dad" publically throwing his own daughter under the bus.  He may think she IS a bitch.  He may be convinced she DID instigate it.  You don't express that to the press.  Get on the cell phone and rip her a new one.  But, telling the world your daughter's a bitch?    

Title: Re: The more things change, the more they stay the same......
Post by: Snaggletiger on August 20, 2009, 03:11:52 PM
Fucking quote function just bitch slapped me again.
Title: Re: The more things change, the more they stay the same......
Post by: Jumbo on August 20, 2009, 03:12:31 PM
Fucking quote function just bitch slapped me again.
May the Scwartz be with you.
Title: Re: The more things change, the more they stay the same......
Post by: RWS on August 20, 2009, 03:16:13 PM
Fucking quote function just bitch slapped me again.
So, you think he's a total fucktard for telling the press that. Does it make what he said any less true because of it? No. Would a simple "no comment" suffice? Yes. But, he decided to air their dirty laundry. While I understand that you wouldn't have aired your family's dirty laundry, and neither would I, it doesn't make what he said any less true. Looking at the charges they were charged with, it sounds fairly accurate.
Title: Re: The more things change, the more they stay the same......
Post by: AUChizad on August 20, 2009, 03:17:34 PM
The problem is not whether CU actually bitch slapped a ho or not.  Either way, it's not that big of a deal.  Lovers spat turns into girl slap fight.  Whatever.

What throws red flags up is a "Dad" publically throwing his own daughter under the bus.  He may think she IS a bitch.  He may be convinced she DID instigate it.  You don't express that to the press.  Get on the cell phone and rip her a new one.  But, telling the world your daughter's a bitch? 
That's all I'm sayin.

By the way, the police report states that he grabbed her by the back of the neck and deliberately slammed her into the ground.

How dare these police step in!
Title: Re: The more things change, the more they stay the same......
Post by: RWS on August 20, 2009, 03:22:28 PM
That's all I'm sayin.

By the way, the police report states that he grabbed her by the back of the neck and deliberately slammed her into the ground.

How dare these police step in!
I wonder what happened before the officer saw that happen......I'm guessing something both parties admitted to, otherwise she would not have been taken to jail.

In any event, he fucked up. I'm not even going to argue that. If you don't put yourself in bad situations, bad shit isn't going to happen. I obviously don't blame the police for it. He put himself in that situation, not the police.
Title: Re: The more things change, the more they stay the same......
Post by: AUChizad on August 20, 2009, 03:25:54 PM
So, you think he's a total fucktard for telling the press that. Does it make what he said any less true because of it? No. Would a simple "no comment" suffice? Yes. But, he decided to air their dirty laundry. While I understand that you wouldn't have aired your family's dirty laundry, and neither would I, it doesn't make what he said any less true. Looking at the charges they were charged with, it sounds fairly accurate.
Dude, I agree with you. I never said he did anything more than what the police report states. I never said she couldn't have possibly started it.

I'm just saying, something's odd that the father would voluntarily throw his daughter under the bus to the papers. That's all I'm saying.
Title: Re: The more things change, the more they stay the same......
Post by: Saniflush on August 20, 2009, 03:28:42 PM
Dude, I agree with you. I never said he did anything more than what the police report states. I never said she couldn't have possibly started it.

I'm just saying, something's odd that the father would voluntarily throw his daughter under the bus to the papers. That's all I'm saying.
I wonder if I call him if he'll gimme her digits?
Title: Re: The more things change, the more they stay the same......
Post by: AUChizad on August 20, 2009, 03:42:18 PM
No suspension.

Surprise.
Title: Re: The more things change, the more they stay the same......
Post by: AuburnChopper 3.0 on August 20, 2009, 03:46:08 PM
Seeing as how you are agreeing that is logical, it doesn't make it so. Since Chizad wouldn't have done what the father did, that automatically makes Chizad's argument logical? Uhhhh, ok......

Since I have never been arrested for arguing with my wife, then what the father said cannot be true. Logic only in your mind, Chopper.

Lets just dismiss that maybe this isn't the first time her dad has had problems with his little girl. Lets go ahead and not think about maybe he's tired of her bullshit. Nevermind that he knows she's got a screw or two loose. We can't reasonably think those things, the only thoughts reasonable in you and Chizad's eyes is that there is something sinister going on here.


A classic case of blowing up a response into something it isn't.

Chizad wrote:
Quote
Whatever, dude.

I can tell you this. If it were my daughter getting hauled to jail for a domestic violence charge with her fuck-buddy, I wouldn't be taking his side. I sure as shit wouldn't be notifying the newspapers that my daughter "probably started it." Even if I knew for a fact my daughter started it, I wouldn't be volunteering that to the papers. And I wouldn't take my daughter's word either. I'd be concerned.

How many times have you been arrested for a "simple lover's quarrel"?

If your coworkers (TPD) are throwing kids in the slammer for no reason HALF the times you've claimed, then I'd say you're a part of quite a corrupt organization.

I agree that it is logical to think that if my daughter was hauled into jail in an ANYTHING with other person, I'm not taking the opposing side's side.  It's also logical for me to say I wouldn't be throwing her name under the bus in public, much less print media.

As far as you getting arrested?  Who cares. I really don't.  If you did, I have NO doubt that you were innocent of all charges.

I also agree with what Chizad said about the claims of innocence vs. the TPD.  Kinda goes with what I said earlier, so for me to find that logical, shouldn't come as a surprise to you.

Carry on.


Title: Re: The more things change, the more they stay the same......
Post by: Jumbo on August 20, 2009, 03:46:19 PM
No suspension.

Surprise.
Just win baby.
Title: Re: The more things change, the more they stay the same......
Post by: AuburnChopper 3.0 on August 20, 2009, 03:54:08 PM
I wonder what happened before the officer saw that happen......I'm guessing something both parties admitted to, otherwise she would not have been taken to jail.

Yes, but this would completely debunk your "no physical contact" explanation earlier on the charges.

Just sayin...
Title: Re: The more things change, the more they stay the same......
Post by: Kaos on August 20, 2009, 04:05:00 PM
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Kendall Grzyb, a 19-year-old UA student from Madison, Ala., was arrested on the same charge as Upshaw. According to her father, the two "had been dating on-again and off-again" and were arguing around 10 p.m. Wednesday near the Student Recreation Center on campus.

Dave Grzyb called it "a simple lovers' quarrel altercation."

"The cops just happened to be there and see it and they took them both in," he said, "I hate to see this guy get in too much trouble because I honestly think it was probably initiated by my daughter. I don't think he laid a hand on her. He just tried to restrain her to keep from getting hit again."

No right-thinking, decent, half ass kind of a dad would make this kind of public statement about his daughter. 

Not unless he was given great motive to do so.  We've already seen how quick these coverup fluckers work. 

The other consideration is that he's so ashamed of his country daughter doing the on-again, off-again with yon Courtney that he's washed his hands of her. 

Would be a hard pill for a hard-workin' country boy to swallow at the Thanksgiving table. 
Title: Re: The more things change, the more they stay the same......
Post by: Buzz Killington on August 20, 2009, 04:06:30 PM

Would be a hard pill for a hard-workin' country boy to swallow at the Thanksgiving table. 

Call me steroetypical, but Grzyb doesn't sound like a Pickens County name.
Title: Re: The more things change, the more they stay the same......
Post by: El Guapo on August 20, 2009, 04:11:19 PM
Call me steroetypical, but Grzyb doesn't sound like a Pickens County name.


If I had to guess, I would say that Gryzb is viking for slut.
Title: Re: The more things change, the more they stay the same......
Post by: AuburnChopper 3.0 on August 20, 2009, 04:14:44 PM

If I had to guess, I would say that Gryzb is viking for slut.

*chortle*
Title: Re: The more things change, the more they stay the same......
Post by: Saniflush on August 20, 2009, 04:15:03 PM

If I had to guess, I would say that Gryzb is viking for slut.

I think I heard that on Conan.
Title: Re: The more things change, the more they stay the same......
Post by: Kaos on August 20, 2009, 04:20:20 PM
Call me steroetypical, but Grzyb doesn't sound like a Pickens County name.

It sounds like a guy who moved there for work's name.  

Located adjacent to Huntsville International Airport, Redstone Arsenal, and Nasa’s Marshall Space Flight Center, Madison is a hot-spot for defense contractors like Boeing, Raytheon, Northrop Grumman and others.

Madison is home to a diverse community of 37,000, growing at a rate of 5% per year.  A thriving, family-friendly community, Madison’s median age is 33, and more than 11,000 of those who enjoy its way of life are children under the age of 18.


Doubt there are many Courtney Upshaw's there.  

He comes from Eufala.  55% black school.
Madison (Actually Bob Jones)? 71% white school.  

Just a thought.  

Title: Re: The more things change, the more they stay the same......
Post by: Snaggletiger on August 20, 2009, 04:29:45 PM
I know things about Courtney.  I heard em' on the skreets...from his corch.
Title: Re: The more things change, the more they stay the same......
Post by: AUChizad on August 20, 2009, 04:46:09 PM
It's funny listening to how many bammers calling into Finebaum condone domestic violence.

You have women calling the show saying things like "They're just kids. Kids are gonna be kids. I don't know why everyone's expecting them to be perfect. There's just so much pressure on these kids, and they're not going to live up to these impossible standards."

So basically she's saying. "Look, Paul, kids are gonna beat their girlfriends. Everyone beats women, Paul, how dare people hold these kids to a standard in which they expect them not to beat women. Unbelievable! It's tough being a football player. You gotta take your aggressions out on someone. It might as well be a 19 year old coed, Paul!"
Title: Re: The more things change, the more they stay the same......
Post by: Kaos on August 20, 2009, 04:54:24 PM
It's funny listening to how many bammers calling into Finebaum condone domestic violence.


The same fools called up condoning drunk driving when Kenny was arrested. 

I wanted to kill them all.  One by one.
Title: Re: The more things change, the more they stay the same......
Post by: RWS on August 20, 2009, 05:36:13 PM
The same fools called up condoning drunk driving when Kenny was arrested. 

I wanted to kill them all.  One by one.
There is a special place in hell for certain drunk drivers, and for people who beat and/or otherwise abuse women and children.
Title: Re: The more things change, the more they stay the same......
Post by: RWS on August 20, 2009, 05:47:45 PM
Apparently, according to the complaint, both parties told the officer what started the altercation was she slapped him in the face, then started to walk off. The officer didn't see this, he saw what Upshaw did. But, it doesn't matter because they both admitted it anyway. Still, it doesn't give him any right or justify him in any way to do what he did. I had some crazy bitch I was living with punch me as hard as she could in my left eye one time. I didn't do shit to her, simply walked outside and down the street until she left. Like I said before though, there was a piece missing from what Chizad said about him grabbing her neck. Still doesn't give him the right to do shit. He should have been a man and walked away.

Anyway, here is the complaint from the officer:
http://blog.al.com/tide-source/2009/08/Upshaw%20complaint (http://blog.al.com/tide-source/2009/08/Upshaw%20complaint)
Title: Re: The more things change, the more they stay the same......
Post by: The Prowler on August 20, 2009, 05:56:03 PM
Word on the skreets is that her father is a bammer supporter or possibly a booster.  That should clear up why a "Dad" would throw his daughter under the bus, it's all part of the "Proce$$"....BTW, it's going to be handled internally....LMAO, as I was typing that, I heard the Ice Cream truck go by my house.
Title: Re: The more things change, the more they stay the same......
Post by: Snaggletiger on August 20, 2009, 06:23:17 PM
Word on the skreets is that her father is a bammer supporter or possibly a booster.  That should clear up why a "Dad" would through his daughter under the bus, it's all part of the "Proce$$"....BTW, it's going to be handled internally....LMAO, as I was typing that, I heard the Ice Cream truck go by my house.


I love those push ups.  Grab me one and throw it in the freezer.
Title: Re: The more things change, the more they stay the same......
Post by: Birmingham on August 20, 2009, 06:35:41 PM
I think we all know what we need right now.  You all suck for letting this monstrosity reach 4+ pages without posting it....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4HEjjiPWuE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4HEjjiPWuE)
Title: Re: The more things change, the more they stay the same......
Post by: Townhallsavoy on August 20, 2009, 07:15:40 PM
I don't know if suspending him for a football game would have been the correct punishment, but to spin this shit as anything other than him being a worthless piece of shit is backwards. 

I don't care what the girl said, did, or threatened to do.  You don't put your hands on a woman unless she is initiating your death.  All Upshaw had to do was walk away and leave  her alone in the street crying like the lonely lunatic that she is.  Instead, he shoved her and grabbed her by the back of the head or whatever else he did. 

Alabama fans trying to argue that this isn't a big deal have to be sporting a wife beater with a Natty Light in hand.  That's as ignorant as it gets.  I know I'd be completely disappointed in an Auburn player if he ever caused harm to a woman.

And for those trying to argue that Quentin Groves did the same thing, shut up.  Quentin called the cops on himself, and he said that he was afraid of what he might do to his wife if they kept arguing.  Dramatic?  Yes.  Assault?  No. 
Title: Re: The more things change, the more they stay the same......
Post by: Birmingham on August 20, 2009, 07:48:17 PM
It's real cut and dry for me with this.
1.  I don't what he did, I've heard speculation and I've speculated myself.  That doesn't change the first part of the sentence though.
2.  If he didn't abuse her (putting his hands on her in an argument is almost certainly abuse) than I'm glad all you barners are flipping your shit over it right now and I'm glad that he was RIGHTFULLY not suspended.
3.  If he in anyway crossed the line (hands on her in a way that is escalating the issue instead of deescalating it or in a way not invited by her he should have no less than a year in prison.  No tolerance towards this kind of stuff, especially since it's not like this was a drunk at a bar, it was someone he cares about.  If someone (Not CU since I've already clarified that I don't know what happen) treats people they care about this way, it's largely probably that help in the form of a professional, whether it be a psychologist or prison, is in order. 
4.  She's responsible for her actions too.
Title: Re: The more things change, the more they stay the same......
Post by: Townhallsavoy on August 20, 2009, 07:55:48 PM
It's real cut and dry for me with this.
1.  I don't what he did, I've heard speculation and I've speculated myself.  That doesn't change the first part of the sentence though.
2.  If he didn't abuse her (putting his hands on her in an argument is almost certainly abuse) than I'm glad all you barners are flipping your shit over it right now and I'm glad that he was RIGHTFULLY not suspended.
3.  If he in anyway crossed the line (hands on her in a way that is escalating the issue instead of deescalating it or in a way not invited by her he should have no less than a year in prison.  No tolerance towards this kind of stuff, especially since it's not like this was a drunk at a bar, it was someone he cares about.  If someone (Not CU since I've already clarified that I don't know what happen) treats people they care about this way, it's largely probably that help in the form of a professional, whether it be a psychologist or prison, is in order. 
4.  She's responsible for her actions too.

Just so you know - it's in the police report that he put his hands on her. 
Title: Re: The more things change, the more they stay the same......
Post by: Birmingham on August 20, 2009, 07:57:33 PM
Send them both to the clink.  They don't know how to act in public and I don't need to explain to my kids why the two people in public over there are loving on each other so mean.
Title: Re: The more things change, the more they stay the same......
Post by: War Eagle!!! on August 20, 2009, 08:15:24 PM
I would bet my next paycheck...which has a large commision check attached...that one of two things happened here.

1. "Dad" is being paid to make that statement.

Or

2. Dad has definitely hit a bitch before.

Anyone that would say that obviously tolerates it and makes excuses why it is acceptable. There is really no other reason.

I am voting 2. He sounds like a red neck that cares more about "bammer winning" than he does about his own family...
Title: Re: The more things change, the more they stay the same......
Post by: Birmingham on August 20, 2009, 08:29:48 PM
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I would bet my next paycheck...which has a large commision check attached...that one of two things happened here.

1. "Dad" is being paid to make that statement.

Or

2. Dad has definitely hit a bitch before.

Anyone that would say that obviously tolerates it and makes excuses why it is acceptable. There is really no other reason.

I am voting 2. He sounds like a red neck that cares more about "bammer winning" than he does about his own family...

Funniest thing ever said about a situation that isn't funny at all.
Title: Re: The more things change, the more they stay the same......
Post by: boartitz on August 20, 2009, 09:45:31 PM
http://blog.al.com/bamabeat/2009/08/father_of_girl_involved_in_alt.html (http://blog.al.com/bamabeat/2009/08/father_of_girl_involved_in_alt.html)

WTF? I know bringing this up will make rws's head explode, but something is...unsettling here.

If your 19 year old daughter just got hauled in by the police on a third degree domestic violence charge with her "on-again, off-again" boyfriend, are you going to just throw her under the bus like that? Are you going to make assumptions like "I don't think he put a hand on her" or "she probably started it"?
I put a foot in her. While standing on the floor.
Title: Re: The more things change, the more they stay the same......
Post by: The Prowler on August 20, 2009, 10:18:04 PM
Y'all wanna hear something funny?  Not funny haha, bammer fans funny (which is usually sad).....

Here's what one bammer fan thinks:
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"She freed herself from his grasp, the officer said, and tried to hit his face. Upshaw grabbed her by the forearm and pushed her away, the officer wrote. Upshaw told the officer that she had slapped him because he was talking to another woman"


Sorry to offend any Quigley house folks on here. But speaking from experience, he should have just gone ahead and dropped her right there.

The guy will ALWAYS lose in a situation like this. (Yours truly excluded). So he might as well get his licks in while he can. Here in Florida, the State Attorney's office has a direct line to Quigley house so females can ramrod false injunctions into the court system in a couple of hours time. Good luck if you're a guy trying to protect yourself. Whether it be physically or through the court system.

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Yeah, I'll bet he's a huge hit with the trailer park ladies.  :thumbsup:

Also, she freed herself from his hand that was grasping onto the back of her neck and hair.

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Sgt. Rusty Romine of the University of Alabama Police Department reported in court documents obtained by the Press-Register that he saw Upshaw chase down Grzyb and he then "grabbed (Kendall) Grzyb by the back of the neck and hair with his right hand and pushed her downward in what appeared to be an attempt to push her to the ground."

Romine's account goes on to say that Grzyb freed herself and "attempted to strike Upshaw about his face, however she was unable to make contact. Upshaw then grasped Grzyb's right arm by the forearm, released and then pushed Grzyb away."
That sounds to me like he abused her.
Title: Re: The more things change, the more they stay the same......
Post by: El Guapo on August 20, 2009, 10:24:48 PM
I don't care.
Title: Re: The more things change, the more they stay the same......
Post by: AUChizad on August 20, 2009, 10:44:39 PM
I don't care.
Not surprising.
Title: Re: The more things change, the more they stay the same......
Post by: Birmingham on August 20, 2009, 11:06:23 PM
How the Hell can he not be suspended for at least 4 games for this.  If that was what happened, just how the hell?  And before you jump Saban, I don't give a shit that y'all hate him he usually wouldn't stand for something like this.  There must be more to it or maybe more importantly less to it.  Just doesn't make sense if what I just read is what took place.
Title: Re: The more things change, the more they stay the same......
Post by: Snaggletiger on August 20, 2009, 11:07:06 PM
Part of me is in the "I don't care" department.  In 04', my buddy and I pulled his RV up to the end of frat row, top of the hill of the intramural fields.  Night before AU/UGA so you can imagine how crazy it was.  We pulled a cooler and a couple of chairs to the edge of the road and took in the festivities til about 2:30 a.m.

We saw shit that night that almost made me rethink sending my daughter to Auburn.  Fights, drunk face plants, guys literally running over the tops of parked cars, break ups with girls and guys wailing on each other, nice titay flashes...all from our little perch by the road.  

Fuck a lovers slap fight.  Let's play football.
Title: Re: The more things change, the more they stay the same......
Post by: boartitz on August 20, 2009, 11:18:07 PM
Part of me is in the "I don't care" department.  In 04', my buddy and I pulled his RV up to the end of frat row, top of the hill of the intramural fields.  Night before AU/UGA so you can imagine how crazy it was.  We pulled a cooler and a couple of chairs to the edge of the road and took in the festivities til about 2:30 a.m.

We saw shit that night that almost made me rethink sending my daughter to Auburn.  Fights, drunk face plants, guys literally running over the tops of parked cars, break ups with girls and guys wailing on each other, nice titay flashes...all from our little perch by the road.  

Fuck a lovers slap fight.  Let's play football.
He should be at Ole Miss. HDN would like a guy like that in a threesome with his anchor lady. Someone has to tote the meat.
Title: Re: The more things change, the more they stay the same......
Post by: Townhallsavoy on August 20, 2009, 11:40:03 PM
Part of me is in the "I don't care" department.  In 04', my buddy and I pulled his RV up to the end of frat row, top of the hill of the intramural fields.  Night before AU/UGA so you can imagine how crazy it was.  We pulled a cooler and a couple of chairs to the edge of the road and took in the festivities til about 2:30 a.m.

We saw shit that night that almost made me rethink sending my daughter to Auburn.  Fights, drunk face plants, guys literally running over the tops of parked cars, break ups with girls and guys wailing on each other, nice titay flashes...all from our little perch by the road.  

Fuck a lovers slap fight.  Let's play football.

It's funny how so many parents who are in all honesty protective of their children allow them to go to schools like Auburn and Alabama.  I guess they just hope their kids won't get involved with that much partying. 

Speaking of the '04 UGA game - I had a 9am class the Friday before the game.  Every other professor cancelled class for that Friday, but not this lady.  About 5 minutes into class, two drunk ass Georgia fans holding beers in their hands came waltzing into the room and said, "Look at all these fuckin' Aubies learning shit. Heh heh hee haw haw ha ha ha hee." 

She immediately dismissed class, and I think she called the police.
Title: Re: The more things change, the more they stay the same......
Post by: War Eagle!!! on August 21, 2009, 12:07:19 AM
It's funny how so many parents who are in all honesty protective of their children allow them to go to schools like Auburn and Alabama.  I guess they just hope their kids won't get involved with that much partying. 

Speaking of the '04 UGA game - I had a 9am class the Friday before the game.  Every other professor cancelled class for that Friday, but not this lady.  About 5 minutes into class, two drunk ass Georgia fans holding beers in their hands came waltzing into the room and said, "Look at all these fuckin' Aubies learning shit. Heh heh hee haw haw ha ha ha hee." 

She immediately dismissed class, and I think she called the police.

Great story!
Title: Re: The more things change, the more they stay the same......
Post by: AUChizad on August 21, 2009, 12:35:08 AM
How the Hell can he not be suspended for at least 4 games for this.  If that was what happened, just how the hell?  And before you jump Saban, I don't give a shit that y'all hate him he usually wouldn't stand for something like this.  There must be more to it or maybe more importantly less to it.  Just doesn't make sense if what I just read is what took place.

"It's not that big a deal, really"
-Signed,
Brandon Deaderick
Title: Re: The more things change, the more they stay the same......
Post by: Kaos on August 21, 2009, 06:16:15 AM
I don't know if suspending him for a football game would have been the correct punishment, but to spin this shiitake as anything other than him being a worthless piece of shiitake is backwards. 

I don't care what the girl said, did, or threatened to do.  You don't put your hands on a woman unless she is initiating your death.  All Upshaw had to do was walk away and leave  her alone in the street crying like the lonely lunatic that she is.  Instead, he shoved her and grabbed her by the back of the head or whatever else he did. 

Alabama fans trying to argue that this isn't a big deal have to be sporting a wife beater with a Natty Light in hand.  That's as ignorant as it gets.  I know I'd be completely disappointed in an Auburn player if he ever caused harm to a woman.

And for those trying to argue that Quentin Groves did the same thing, shut up.  Quentin called the cops on himself, and he said that he was afraid of what he might do to his wife if they kept arguing.  Dramatic?  Yes.  Assault?  No. 

I disagree.  There is a story here, but I'm not inclined to tell it.
Title: Re: The more things change, the more they stay the same......
Post by: Snaggletiger on August 21, 2009, 09:42:56 AM
It's funny how so many parents who are in all honesty protective of their children allow them to go to schools like Auburn and Alabama.  I guess they just hope their kids won't get involved with that much partying. 

Speaking of the '04 UGA game - I had a 9am class the Friday before the game.  Every other professor cancelled class for that Friday, but not this lady.  About 5 minutes into class, two drunk ass Georgia fans holding beers in their hands came waltzing into the room and said, "Look at all these effin' Aubies learning shiitake. Heh heh hee haw haw ha ha ha hee." 

She immediately dismissed class, and I think she called the police.


Problem is, you can't really control the situation as much as you'd like when it comes to choosing a school for your child.  I'm from an Auburn family.  Graduated from there.  Met my wife there and all that.  Yes, I'd like all my children to continue the tradition and so far so good.  But, my daughter's decision had very little to do with what I wanted.  She liked the school but more importantly, about 75% of her graduating class is going there so she feels more comfortable.

I looked at that crazy ass scene that night and cringed at thinking of my child being in the middle of it.  But, short of forcing her to a local junior college or researching to find the least "Party" school, I have to accept that that shit goes on everywhere and I can't shield her from it.  You just have to trust that you've raised them right so that they'll hopefully make good decisions.
Title: Re: The more things change, the more they stay the same......
Post by: Saniflush on August 21, 2009, 09:55:20 AM
I disagree.  There is a story here, but I'm not inclined to tell it.

I am about ERA.  You can't have a different set of rules when it suits your needs.
Title: Re: The more things change, the more they stay the same......
Post by: Kaos on August 21, 2009, 10:24:14 AM
I am about ERA.  You can't have a different set of rules when it suits your needs.

Grrrr..

Ok.  Shortest version.  I'm capable of.

Girl sort of kinda moved in with me many years ago.  She was maybe a little sketchy. 

Found an old box of checks from a closed account in a drawer in the bedroom.

Wrote I don't know how many checks at convenience stores all over town.  Bought small things and wrote them over for cash back. 

I find out about this when I get arrested -- at work -- for kiting checks.  When I try to argue with the fine police officers, I get headbutted, cuffed and stuffed. 

Incarcerated -- and unaware that she had written the checks -- I use my one phone call to call her to come get me out so I can try to figure out what's going on.

She tells me she's tired of my crap and hangs up on me. 

When I get out a few days later after finally breaking down and calling somebody else to share in my disgrace, I see a lawyer, get copies of some of the checks and realize who did what.  So I go home.

She's there smoking dope with a bunch of scumbags. 

Apparently I just missed the sex.

Scumbags scramble.  She's not content to just get her ragged shit and leave, she's got to run her mouth. 

I closed it for her. 

First and only time I've done that.  I'd like to be ashamed of it, but I'm not.   
Title: Re: The more things change, the more they stay the same......
Post by: Townhallsavoy on August 21, 2009, 10:28:58 AM
Grrrr..

Ok.  Shortest version.  I'm capable of.

Girl sort of kinda moved in with me many years ago.  She was maybe a little sketchy. 

Found an old box of checks from a closed account in a drawer in the bedroom.

Wrote I don't know how many checks at convenience stores all over town.  Bought small things and wrote them over for cash back. 

I find out about this when I get arrested -- at work -- for kiting checks.  When I try to argue with the fine police officers, I get headbutted, cuffed and stuffed. 

Incarcerated -- and unaware that she had written the checks -- I use my one phone call to call her to come get me out so I can try to figure out what's going on.

She tells me she's tired of my crap and hangs up on me. 

When I get out a few days later after finally breaking down and calling somebody else to share in my disgrace, I see a lawyer, get copies of some of the checks and realize who did what.  So I go home.

She's there smoking dope with a bunch of scumbags. 

Apparently I just missed the sex.

Scumbags scramble.  She's not content to just get her ragged shit and leave, she's got to run her mouth. 

I closed it for her. 

First and only time I've done that.  I'd like to be ashamed of it, but I'm not.   


Woman abuser!!!! 

That's a pretty fucked up story, though.  I don't condone hitting her.  I mean, I can't say for sure what I would do in that situation, but yeah, that might warrant it. 
Title: Re: The more things change, the more they stay the same......
Post by: Saniflush on August 21, 2009, 10:50:37 AM
Woman abuser!!!! 

That's a pretty fucked up story, though.  I don't condone hitting her.  I mean, I can't say for sure what I would do in that situation, but yeah, that might warrant it. 

Prison changes a man.
Title: Re: The more things change, the more they stay the same......
Post by: CCTAU on August 21, 2009, 11:19:48 AM
I have an 18 year old daughter that just started at Auburn.  I read what this "Dad" said and personally, I think he needs a little domestic violence upside his fucking head.  What an incredible cocksucker this guy is to publically rip his own daughter.

I would like to change my earlier post
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Her daddy would be so proud.
I was thinking in terms of how I would be disgusted with my own daughter if this happened. Apparently she comes from a real upstanding family. To hear her daddy speak of her like this, it's no wonder she is rumored to be a known whowah.

There is no accounting for class and the more we hear from turdtown, the more disgusting it gets.
Title: Re: The more things change, the more they stay the same......
Post by: CCTAU on August 21, 2009, 11:26:54 AM
I don't know if suspending him for a football game would have been the correct punishment, but to spin this shit as anything other than him being a worthless piece of shit is backwards. 

I don't care what the girl said, did, or threatened to do.  You don't put your hands on a woman unless she is initiating your death.  All Upshaw had to do was walk away and leave  her alone in the street crying like the lonely lunatic that she is.  Instead, he shoved her and grabbed her by the back of the head or whatever else he did. 

Alabama fans trying to argue that this isn't a big deal have to be sporting a wife beater with a Natty Light in hand.  That's as ignorant as it gets.  I know I'd be completely disappointed in an Auburn player if he ever caused harm to a woman.

And for those trying to argue that Quentin Groves did the same thing, shut up.  Quentin called the cops on himself, and he said that he was afraid of what he might do to his wife if they kept arguing.  Dramatic?  Yes.  Assault?  No. 

If I hit every woman that ever slapped me, there would be some-mo-broke-nose-bitches running around out there over the years. Stay away from the balls and use an open hand, and all is good. I probably deserved it anyway.
Title: Re: The more things change, the more they stay the same......
Post by: AUChizad on August 21, 2009, 11:53:21 AM
I literally LOL'ed multiple times when I read this.

http://blog.al.com/tide-source/2009/08/saban_upshaw_on_behavior_proba.html (http://blog.al.com/tide-source/2009/08/saban_upshaw_on_behavior_proba.html)
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Saban: Upshaw on 'behavior probation' following arrest  :rofl:
Posted by Don Kausler Jr. -- The Birmingham News August 20, 2009 7:24 PM

TUSCALOOSA - Alabama coach Nick Saban confirmed that sophomore linebacker Courtney Upshaw will not be suspended from the team in the wake of a verbal altercation with a girlfriend that police say became physical. 

Following practice on Thursday, Saban only made a few comments about Upshaw, who was arrested Wednesday night along with a girlfriend after a University of Alabama police officer witnessed the two arguing and then fighting near the student recreation center.

Upshaw was released from the Tuscaloosa County jail Thursday morning and participated in Thursday's practice.

"This is as fine a young man as we have in the program," :rofl: Saban said. "He's a really great person.  :rofl: :rofl: He really works hard academically. You couldn't ask anybody to be a better representative of the university. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

"He was put in an uncompromising position, and he didn't handle it well. He made a mistake.

"He knows what his punishment is. He knows what he's going to have to do.

"He's on behavior probation. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: He'll learn from the mistake he made.  :rofl: Hopefully our entire team will learn something.  :rofl: :rofl:"
Title: Re: The more things change, the more they stay the same......
Post by: Snaggletiger on August 21, 2009, 12:07:38 PM
I literally LOL'ed multiple times when I read this.

http://blog.al.com/tide-source/2009/08/saban_upshaw_on_behavior_proba.html (http://blog.al.com/tide-source/2009/08/saban_upshaw_on_behavior_proba.html)


Go ahead and laugh, buddy boy.  Make fun of Corch Saybin's disciplinary process all you want.  However, you have no idea how many players are actually on "Double Secret Behavior Probation".  The man is a task master, I tell ya'.
Title: Re: The more things change, the more they stay the same......
Post by: El Guapo on August 21, 2009, 12:39:20 PM
I know many women that are of the "We are equal in everything" category.

But when I bring up being struck by a man, they turn into the "you can't hit a woman!"

I just inform them that they can't have it both ways, and then punch them in the throat.
Title: Re: The more things change, the more they stay the same......
Post by: Snaggletiger on August 21, 2009, 12:57:11 PM
I know many women that are of the "We are equal in everything" category.

But when I bring up being struck by a man, they turn into the "you can't hit a woman!"

I just inform them that they can't have it both ways, and then punch them in the throat.


I like this guy
Title: Re: The more things change, the more they stay the same......
Post by: Saniflush on August 21, 2009, 12:58:55 PM

I just inform them that they can't have it both ways, and then punch them in the throat.

I find punching them in the ovaries more productive but to each his own.
Title: Re: The more things change, the more they stay the same......
Post by: El Guapo on August 21, 2009, 01:53:33 PM
I find punching them in the ovaries more productive but to each his own.


I would do this, but their ovaries must be in perfect working order to work well with my superior seed.
Title: Re: The more things change, the more they stay the same......
Post by: Jumbo on August 21, 2009, 01:56:09 PM

I would do this, but their ovaries must be in perfect working order to work well with my superior seed.
So your Super Seed whoops that tricks ovaries?
Title: Re: The more things change, the more they stay the same......
Post by: Saniflush on August 21, 2009, 01:57:03 PM

I would do this, but their ovaries must be in perfect working order to work well with my superior seed.

Brood mares.  I like the way you think sir.
Title: Re: The more things change, the more they stay the same......
Post by: The Prowler on August 21, 2009, 06:45:03 PM
Hey, what's Tiger Wench's thoughts on the matter?  I might've missed it among the 7 pages.

BTW, that girl's father is a Red Pachyderm Club member, this was told to me by my boss...who's a member.  He told me the story, today, not knowing that I already knew about it.

Also, how much y'all wanna bet that Upshaw will have his scholarship taken away.....next year.  I'm betting that he'll be one of the first two taken off of scholarship.
Title: Re: The more things change, the more they stay the same......
Post by: Tiger Wench on August 21, 2009, 08:25:43 PM
My opinion is thusly stated:

Unless she is armed, you don't hit a woman.  For the most part, guys just know how to hit, and are just physically stronger and capable of inflicting more damage.  I can slap the shit out of someone, but me trying to punch a guy?  Gonna break my hand and do very little damage to him.  One right cross to my nose tho, and I am in serious shape.  

Now, if I am armed, even with a purse or a set of keys, whale away to the extent necessary to make me back the hell off.  

I also think that this guy has to be MASSIVELY bigger than her.  Even if she managed to punch him, you can't tell me he doesn't take harder licks every day on the practice field.  Being an athlete, unless he is Andre Smiff, he is probably in top shape and very strong.  His potential to damage to her is much greater than her potential to do damage to him.  That is just a fact, fair or not.  

If the police report is to be believed, it even said that he WENT CHASING AFTER HER... so he has PLENTY of chance to get the hell out of there.

So for those reasons, as well as the oft-stated "He should have walked away and never even been in that situation.", I think Satan went too lightly on him.  

If Eric Smith had been in a fight with a girl, under these circumstances, I would want him suspended for at least one significant game.  All the hype about turning boys into men, building character, blah blah - if building a man of character involves letting him tee off on a woman, then color me not too damn impressed with your "process".

Oh - and her daddy is a dickhead.  She may be a slut - or maybe not - but you keep that shit inside the family.  You do not air your personal crap to the media about your kid in defense of some athlete from the program you openly support.  If she is promiscuous, I wonder about the kind of daddy issues she may have, what with such a wonderful parental support system at home and all...

Side story.  The only man to ever raise a hand to me other than my daddy was a cop.  One of my daddy's cops.  Daddy had told me not to date him, but I did anyway.  Turned out he was a dick and an asshole both, and one night when I informed him of both of those facts as I endeavored to walk out, he slapped me.  First thing I did was tell his captain, who put him on midnights for the rest of his short career.  Second thing I did was tell my daddy.  My daddy did not take the cop's side and in private, I got yelled at for dating him anyway.  But daddy also did not make a big scene about it -  in my tiny town, this would have been scandal for weeks. What he did do was go to the cop and make sure that he understood that it would not be in his best interests to come within a hundred yards of me ever again or bad things would happen.

I know none of you have met my father.  He is not a big guy - just over 6 feet.  But when he gets quiet and clenches his jaw when he talks to you, it makes you want to wet yourself.  Seriously.  There are felons in Calhoun County who get very quiet when you mention my daddy.   ;)
Title: Re: The more things change, the more they stay the same......
Post by: The Prowler on August 21, 2009, 10:30:55 PM
My opinion is thusly stated:

Unless she is armed, you don't hit a woman.  For the most part, guys just know how to hit, and are just physically stronger and capable of inflicting more damage.  I can slap the shiitake out of someone, but me trying to punch a guy?  Gonna break my hand and do very little damage to him.  One right cross to my nose tho, and I am in serious shape.  

Now, if I am armed, even with a purse or a set of keys, whale away to the extent necessary to make me back the hell off.  

I also think that this guy has to be MASSIVELY bigger than her.  Even if she managed to punch him, you can't tell me he doesn't take harder licks every day on the practice field.  Being an athlete, unless he is Andre Smiff, he is probably in top shape and very strong.  His potential to damage to her is much greater than her potential to do damage to him.  That is just a fact, fair or not.  

If the police report is to be believed, it even said that he WENT CHASING AFTER HER... so he has PLENTY of chance to get the hell out of there.

So for those reasons, as well as the oft-stated "He should have walked away and never even been in that situation.", I think Satan went too lightly on him.  

If Eric Smith had been in a fight with a girl, under these circumstances, I would want him suspended for at least one significant game.  All the hype about turning boys into men, building character, blah blah - if building a man of character involves letting him tee off on a woman, then color me not too damn impressed with your "process".

Oh - and her daddy is a richardhead.  She may be a slut - or maybe not - but you keep that shiitake inside the family.  You do not air your personal crap to the media about your kid in defense of some athlete from the program you openly support.  If she is promiscuous, I wonder about the kind of daddy issues she may have, what with such a wonderful parental support system at home and all...

Side story.  The only man to ever raise a hand to me other than my daddy was a cop.  One of my daddy's cops.  Daddy had told me not to date him, but I did anyway.  Turned out he was a richard and an asshole both, and one night when I informed him of both of those facts as I endeavored to walk out, he slapped me.  First thing I did was tell his captain, who put him on midnights for the rest of his short career.  Second thing I did was tell my daddy.  My daddy did not take the cop's side and in private, I got yelled at for dating him anyway.  But daddy also did not make a big scene about it -  in my tiny town, this would have been scandal for weeks. What he did do was go to the cop and make sure that he understood that it would not be in his best interests to come within a hundred yards of me ever again or bad things would happen.

I know none of you have met my father.  He is not a big guy - just over 6 feet.  But when he gets quiet and clenches his jaw when he talks to you, it makes you want to wet yourself.  Seriously.  There are felons in Calhoun County who get very quiet when you mention my daddy.   ;)
Exactly....^^^What she said^^^
Title: Re: The more things change, the more they stay the same......
Post by: Hogwally on August 21, 2009, 10:50:26 PM
     What happened to the freebase guy?  Doesn't he have a take along the line of "Well I might drink a little tequila and whop ole Sharon Jean upside the head a little...  but I don't freebase, I ain't gonna do it." 

     Luckily, I have managed to make it thru life so far without getting in a situation where I had to slap one around.  That is surprising, growing up in a family where that kind of thing happened from time to time.  I don't, however, believe you should never lay hands on a woman.  Probably shouldn't ever really tag'em with a good right cross, but I've seen women who weren't afraid to tee of on a dude with a 6 lb. cast iron frying pan full of hot grease.  In those instances, it's hard to frown on a little self defense.

     Also IMO, about the only thing worse than hitting a woman is a woman telling a cop you hit her when you really didn't.  I know some guys, some on this board, who got to spend a night in the pokey over that kind of thing, and that ain't too cool.  damn bitches.... maybe they deserve a good ass whippin every now and then after all, just to keep them straight.
Title: Re: The more things change, the more they stay the same......
Post by: AUChizad on August 22, 2009, 03:47:04 PM
For comparison by the way, this happened a couple of weeks ago...
http://blog.al.com/bamabeat/2009/08/nick_saban_opens_camp_by_final.html (http://blog.al.com/bamabeat/2009/08/nick_saban_opens_camp_by_final.html)
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LB Brandon Fanney, LB Prince Hall, DB Alonzo Lawrence and former Davidson RB Jermaine Preyear "violated some type of team rule or policy and were not invited back on our team," Saban said.

Or as the media outside bammerham reported it...
http://www.hattiesburgamerican.com/apps/pbcs.dll/section?category=PluckPersona&U=c3d1d51ce6824c7c8d04c1a7e064e382&plckController=PersonaBlog&plckScript=personaScript&plckElementId=personaDest&plckPersonaPage=BlogViewPost&plckPostId=Blog%3ac3d1d51ce6824c7c8d04c1a7e064e382Post%3aa4268227-d86a-4726-b035-d867b5227040&plckCommentSortOrder=TimeStampAscending&sid=sitelife.hattiesburgamerican.com (http://www.hattiesburgamerican.com/apps/pbcs.dll/section?category=PluckPersona&U=c3d1d51ce6824c7c8d04c1a7e064e382&plckController=PersonaBlog&plckScript=personaScript&plckElementId=personaDest&plckPersonaPage=BlogViewPost&plckPostId=Blog%3ac3d1d51ce6824c7c8d04c1a7e064e382Post%3aa4268227-d86a-4726-b035-d867b5227040&plckCommentSortOrder=TimeStampAscending&sid=sitelife.hattiesburgamerican.com)
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He was expected to see playing time as either a cornerback or safety for the Crimson Tide this season, but Saban said this week that Lawrence was one of four players who violated a team rule and were not invited back to the team.


“That’s something that isn’t true, but I’m not going to say anything about that,” Lawrence said.

Yet Upshaw chasing his girl down to grab her by the back of the head/neck to slam her into parking lot gravel, and he's "A really great person." You couldn't ask anybody to be a better representative of the university."

No suspension.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v343/Chizad-Lappy/sabancopy.jpg)

Title: Re: The more things change, the more they stay the same......
Post by: RWS on August 22, 2009, 04:05:47 PM
Still waiting on that Eric Smith police report to hit teh intrawebs. Funny how all of these newspapers have the redacted report, but nobody seems to want to put it up. Very curious what happened.

And Chizad, since we're taking only players' word on things, I guess DeRon Furr was right and CTT and Company lied about him leaving the team?
Title: Re: The more things change, the more they stay the same......
Post by: El Guapo on August 22, 2009, 04:33:26 PM
chasing his girl down to grab her by the back of the head/neck to slam her into parking lot gravel




No where did it mention that he slammed her. Only said he grabbed her by the back of her neck in an ATTEMPT to push her to the ground.

What you are missing here is that our 2nd string LB can't even shove over a woman. You guys should want this guy to start!!!
Title: Re: The more things change, the more they stay the same......
Post by: Saniflush on August 24, 2009, 08:02:02 AM

No where did it mention that he slammed her. Only said he grabbed her by the back of her neck in an ATTEMPT to push her to the ground.

What you are missing here is that our 2nd string LB can't even shove over a woman. You guys should want this guy to start!!!

Damn.  You beat me to it.   :bugs:
Title: Re: The more things change, the more they stay the same......
Post by: Kaos on August 24, 2009, 08:45:04 AM
Still waiting on that Eric Smith police report to hit teh intrawebs. Funny how all of these newspapers have the redacted report, but nobody seems to want to put it up. Very curious what happened.

And Chizad, since we're taking only players' word on things, I guess DeRon Furr was right and CTT and Company lied about him leaving the team?

(http://www2.iwu.edu/iwunews/magazine/pastissues/Fall_2005/Images/ref_flag.jpg)

I'm sorry, but I've got to throw a penalty flag here. 

Fifteen yards for Illegal Impersonation of BG03. 

This is standard BG tactic.  No matter what the topic was his standard response was "yeah, well what about when that Auburn guy did whatever?"

Example: Bama player gets caught selling cocaine.  Instead of addressing the issue, BG's immediate response was "well, Robert Baker..." completely ignoring the fact that Baker was more than ten years ago and under a completely different coaching staff.

Example II: When there was not a corresponding event from the past to point to, BG would make them up.  Photos surface of a Bama player driving a tricked-out Tahoe with thousand-dollar rims when he allegedly couldn't afford peanut butter in high school. Instead of addressing the issue, BG would reply with "Yeah? Well you know there have to be Auburn players who have rims and cars." 

This is the same thing.  Typical diversionary obfuscation from the Bama side.

We won't allow those tactics here.
Title: Re: The more things change, the more they stay the same......
Post by: Snaggletiger on August 24, 2009, 09:47:42 AM

No where did it mention that he slammed her. Only said he grabbed her by the back of her neck in an ATTEMPT to push her to the ground.

What you are missing here is that our 2nd string LB can't even shove over a woman. You guys should want this guy to start!!!


This is what I was trying to argue with Trey Blackmon.  Our starting LB got chased down by a donut eating peace officer.  I knew he'd never amount much at that point.