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Greensville's Kenneth Carter commits to Auburn
Posted by Charles Goldberg -- Birmingham News July 27, 2009 1:17 PM
Categories: Football, Recruiting
AuburnSports.com
Kenneth Carter
Auburn continued its busy recruiting July on Monday with an athletic defensive linemen committing to the Tigers.
Greenville High School defensive lineman Kenneth Carter announced at his high school that he will sign with Auburn in February.
He's the sixth high school or junior college player to commit for the 2010 signing class in the last 12 days. Another player said he's transferring to Auburn from Florida State and will be on campus next week.
Carter will begin his senior season at Greenville at 6-foot-5, 270 pounds. He also had offers from Alabama, Ole Miss, Kentucky and Southern Miss, among others, according to Ben Blackmon, his high school coach. Reporting the commitment with all the quotes are AuburnSports.com and AuburnUndercover.com and Inside the Auburn Tigers.
Carter, who had off-season shoulder surgery, is on the ESPNU 150 Watch List.
Assistant coach Jeff Grimes is listed as the primary recruiter.
Auburn has 14 players committed for the 2010 signing class.
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He had offers from Clemson & LSU too according to Scout. The article doesn't mention those.
Rivals, only shows offers from Kentucky, Ole Miss, & Southern Miss, leaving out Clemson, LSU, and of course Bama.
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He had offers from Clemson & LSU too according to Scout. The article doesn't mention those.
Rivals, only shows offers from Kentucky, Ole Miss, & Southern Miss, leaving out Clemson, LSU, and of course Bama.
Apparently, Rivals had him listed with an offer from Bama Saturday, then removed it yesterday.
:eyeroll:
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Apparently, Rivals had him listed with an offer from Bama Saturday, then removed it yesterday.
:eyeroll:
I am sure the folks in Tuscaloosa found out something about the kid and pulled their offer.
Move along....Nothing to see here.
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I am sure the folks in Tuscaloosa found out something about the kid and pulled their offer.
Move along....Nothing to see here.
I'm sure.
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I'm sure.
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/recruiting/tracker/player?recruitId=69376
ESPN has Bammer offering him too.
Only Rivals claims that they didn't (as of yesterday).
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Apparently, Rivals had him listed with an offer from Bama Saturday, then removed it yesterday.
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The folks on BOL were talking about it on the 23rd, because everybody was curious why our name was thrown into that mix and he showed no offer then. Last we knew he was hoping to get an Alabama offer when the summer started. It wasn't showing we had offered on Scout or ESPN at the time either. I guess since then its been added to ESPN since his coach said he had one? No clue, but I know on the 23rd around 8 PM, nobody was showing him with an Alabama offer. But, carry on with your conspiracy theory since it makes you feel better. Is Rivals now in on a Clemson and LSU conspiracy as well?
04/03/2009
Carter said he already has written offers from Auburn, Ole Miss and Southern Miss and a verbal offer from Alabama.
Things certainy could have changed since then, but it doesn't look like there was anything concrete there and he never camped over the summer or anything, so I don't know.
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Kenneth and his HC had stated that he had an offer from SPuat, that's why the check mark was put on his profile on the 23rd. Then the Rivals guys or the Scout guys asked SPuat about the offer, they proceeded to take the check mark back off....supposedly because it was a verbal offer, but hey an offer is an offer, in my book.
There was a little note at the bottom of KC's commitment announcement, did anyone here catch it? If not, here it is:
NOTE: Although Rivals.com's Alabama site (BamaOnLine.com) recruiting writers claim Carter didn't have an offer from Alabama, Carter, as well as Greenville head coach Ben Blackmon, confirmed that he did. :clap:
I also find it really, really funny that not only is SPuat listed as a school that didn't offer, they've been completely taken off of his list of schools. :rofl: and y'all talk about Little Brother Syndrome :rofl:
Kenneth Carter (http://auburn.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=86064) DT 6'5" 280lbs. 4.9 Greenville, Ala. (4 Grillz)
Junior Stats: 60 Tackles & 6 Sacks
That was despite playing with a separated labrum. Carter underwent surgery in December and is now back at 100%.
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and y'all talk about Little Brother Syndrome :rofl:
I'm not really seeing how in any way, shape, or form we are somehow lagging behind you guys or something right now. Back to back #1 recruiting class, coming off of a 12-2 season, top 10 preseason ranking, 36-0 beatdown, etc. Yeah, we're hurtin Prowler! :taunt:
Now, lets see, who is the WR in last class that you swore up and down did NOT have an AU offer after he snuffed you guys but claimed he had an offer? Yeah, I remember something about somebody explaining the difference between a "commitable offer" and a "non-commitable verbal offer". And who exactly was the one that said the kid was lying and kids do that all the time? Having a hard time remembering...........hmmmmm........Funny how that ONLY works in AU's favor, but when you guys are trying desperately to show something for Chizik, all that shit goes away all of a sudden, doesn't it? In your as-usual-bullshit-mode, you fail to approach the fact that on the 23rd, NOBODY had an Alabama offer in his profile. Not Rivals, Scout, or ESPN. Then all of a sudden he says he has one, so some of the services add it. Shit, I have an offer from Alabama. Where's my profile? I'm not worth a shit, so I might have to settle for an AU offer. :thumbsup:
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I'm not really seeing how in any way, shape, or form we are somehow lagging behind you guys or something right now. Back to back #1 recruiting class, coming off of a 12-2 season, top 10 preseason ranking, 36-0 beatdown, etc. Yeah, we're hurtin Prowler! :taunt:
Back to Back recruiting classes? You mouthbreathers need to look back two years ago and see who was rated the #1 class.....after qualifications. I believe it was Notre Dame. We'll see who's going to be standing at the top for this past year's signing class, within the next few weeks.
Did anyone say anything about lagging behind us? Kenneth Carter was offered by SPuat, y'all just can't accept it that he didn't commit to the mighty taghd.
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Back to Back recruiting classes? You mouthbreathers need to look back two years ago and see who was rated the #1 class.....after qualifications. I believe it was Notre Dame. We'll see who's going to be standing at the top for this past year's signing class, within the next few weeks.
Did anyone say anything about lagging behind us? Kenneth Carter was offered by SPuat, y'all just can't accept it that he didn't commit to the mighty taghd.
So, what about that WR Prowler?
I can give shit less whether he picked us or not, really. I didn't even know the kid existed until I saw the story on Rivals last week when he said he had an Alabama offer. I honestly couldn't tell you whether this kid sucks, or if he's the baddest motherfucker on the planet. I, along with everybody else, was like "Who is this kid?". We're fine on the DL. Our focus for this class is WR, DB, TE, and somewhat RB.
Carter is admittedly an AU fan from birth, and his whole family is comprised of AU fans according to one of the articles. All AU had to do was offer and this kid was in the bag. Its not like AU's master recruiters snatched one from Alabama's jaws or something. AU finally offered him and he was all over it like a rat on a Cheet-o. Whats the big deal?
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So, what about that WR Prowler?
I can give shit less whether he picked us or not, really. I didn't even know the kid existed until I saw the story on Rivals last week when he said he had an Alabama offer. I honestly couldn't tell you whether this kid sucks, or if he's the baddest motherfucker on the planet. I, along with everybody else, was like "Who is this kid?". We're fine on the DL. Our focus for this class is WR, DB, TE, and somewhat RB.
I think you're refering to Brandon Heavens who had his SPuat offer check marked, until he commited to Auburn, then the next day it vanished....like it never existed. He ended up signing with MSU, so I guess Auburn should've gone back and taken off their check mark. Whatever helps the unwashed nation sleep at night.
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I think you're refering to Brandon Heavens who had his SPuat offer check marked, until he commited to Auburn, then the next day it vanished....like it never existed. He ended up signing with MSU, so I guess Auburn should've gone back and taken off their check mark. Whatever helps the unwashed nation sleep at night.
I'm talking about a WR from Kansas (I think).....a JUCO WR I believe. Not talking about Heavens.
And what say you about Carter having no Alabama offer on any of the services until his coach said he had one?
Also, why do you think it is this little conspiracy didn't happen to Shon Coleman, Antonio Goodwin (top WR in GA), Jeremy Richardson, and Jawara White? Two of those are 4* and pretty good players, but oh shit, we're worried about Carter? Oh, he committed to AU so we better uncheck his box. That just does not make sense.
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I'm talking about a WR from Kansas (I think).....a JUCO WR I believe. Not talking about Heavens.
And what say you about Carter having no Alabama offer on any of the services until his coach said he had one?
Also, why do you think it is this little conspiracy didn't happen to Shon Coleman, Antonio Goodwin (top WR in GA), Jeremy Richardson, and Jawara White? Two of those are 4* and pretty good players, but oh shit, we're worried about Carter? Oh, he committed to AU so we better uncheck his box. That just does not make sense.
Cameron Kenney, the Stud JUCO WR? I don't think he had an offer from SPuat, I could be wrong because Coach sabbin offers around 327 prospects every year and only 25-30 are "real" offers. If the prospect isn't a bigtime player....just make him one, so those extra stars can make your class look that much better, eventhough he'll be cut within a few years...oh well, NEXT!!!
You want to talk about Kenneth Carter and his Auburn family, well atleast "he" informed the Auburn coaches that he wanted to become the next Auburn Tiger...can you say the same about Corey Grant with his decision to go to SPuat? I'll answer it for ya, nope.
Or, you might be talking about DB, Daren Bates out of Olive Branch, Ms.:
(http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm42/theprowler64/darenbatesxv1.jpg)
Also, if you want to know about Victor Beasley, he doesn't have a commitable offer from Auburn or SPuat...right now. I'm not sure but, it might have something to do with his grades, but once he receives the commitable offer from SPuat, he'll commit on the spot.
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The check-mark box controversy is completely laughable.
You want to know why people get bent out of shape about who has been offered and who hasn't? People (fans) genuinely believe that it will affect the rest of their class.
You know what? Lache Seastrunk might be turned off of Auburn because Auburn accepted an commitment from a peon like Kenneth Carter. I mean, he wasn't offered by anyone good but Auburn. Bama didn't offer him, so what's so good about him?
I'm not being funny with this post.
It also works the other way around. This shit does happen, and the logic behind the excuses are completely flawed.
Kenneth Carter DID AND DOES have a verbal offer for a scholarship to play football at Alabama. His magical offer box has been checked on every recruiting site for a long enough time to be considered legit. Even his high school coach confirmed he was given an offer.
BOL's excuse? It's just a verbal offer, so they removed it until it became committable. Yeah, and those 2011 recruits (who aren't allowed to receive written offers) seem to have that magical box checkmarked.
So why would BOL remove it?
Because people (fans) genuinely believe it will affect their recruiting if they lost one (or ten) recruits to a different school.
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The check-mark box controversy is completely laughable.
You want to know why people get bent out of shape about who has been offered and who hasn't? People (fans) genuinely believe that it will affect the rest of their class.
You know what? Lache Seastrunk might be turned off of Auburn because Auburn accepted an commitment from a peon like Kenneth Carter. I mean, he wasn't offered by anyone good but Auburn. Bama didn't offer him, so what's so good about him?
I'm not being funny with this post.
It also works the other way around. This shit does happen, and the logic behind the excuses are completely flawed.
Kenneth Carter DID AND DOES have a verbal offer for a scholarship to play football at Alabama. His magical offer box has been checked on every recruiting site for a long enough time to be considered legit. Even his high school coach confirmed he was given an offer.
BOL's excuse? It's just a verbal offer, so they removed it until it became committable. Yeah, and those 2011 recruits (who aren't allowed to receive written offers) seem to have that magical box checkmarked.
So why would BOL remove it?
Because people (fans) genuinely believe it will affect their recruiting if they lost one (or ten) recruits to a different school.
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Nail on the head.
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The check-mark box controversy is completely laughable.
You want to know why people get bent out of shape about who has been offered and who hasn't? People (fans) genuinely believe that it will affect the rest of their class.
You know what? Lache Seastrunk might be turned off of Auburn because Auburn accepted an commitment from a peon like Kenneth Carter. I mean, he wasn't offered by anyone good but Auburn. Bama didn't offer him, so what's so good about him?
I'm not being funny with this post. :pwnd:
It also works the other way around. This shit does happen, and the logic behind the excuses are completely flawed.
Kenneth Carter DID AND DOES have a verbal offer for a scholarship to play football at Alabama. His magical offer box has been checked on every recruiting site for a long enough time to be considered legit. Even his high school coach confirmed he was given an offer.
BOL's excuse? It's just a verbal offer, so they removed it until it became committable. Yeah, and those 2011 recruits (who aren't allowed to receive written offers) seem to have that magical box checkmarked.
So why would BOL remove it?
Because people (fans) genuinely believe it will affect their recruiting if they lost one (or ten) recruits to a different school.
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Precisely.
And furthermore, Rivals can't have bammer lose the head-to-head in-state recruiting battle, which they are in danger of, save for the revisionist history.
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Precisely.
And furthermore, Rivals can't have bammer lose the head-to-head in-state recruiting battle, which they are in danger of, save for the revisionist history.
And you, Prowler, and the rest of the AU fanbase are trying desperately to validate Chizik. I think its 6-2 right now head-to-head on in-state recruits. For that matter, our class is pretty much done. We will gain one more in-state prospect and that is CJ Mosley. We have a total of 14 offers in-state this year. We've lost out on 4 (counting Owens), and one of those was to UF. In case you can't count, 10/14 is pretty damn good. Especially when the majority of those 10 are 4* or higher. We're not going to lose the head-to-head in-state recruiting battle, so go ahead and find another AU party line to spin.
Why is it we had no problem losing out on Jeremy Richardson and Jawara White, but all of a sudden feel the need to uncheck the box on Carter? Why wouldn't we have unchecked the box on one of the higher quality players? They are all easily better recruits than Carter. On the 23rd, none of the services had Carter with an Alabama offer. Otherwise there wouldn't be threads on BOL asking what the hell the deal is because nobody can find anywhere that he has an Alabama offer.
Personally, I'm all about quality over quantity. Every single AU commit can be from the state of Alabama for all I care. As long as we're cherry picking the cream of the crop (Grant, Milliner, Perry, Sanders, Williams, Fowler, etc.), I have no issue with it. I would love to have Jeremy Richardson and LaDarius Owens (even though he isn't technically committed yet). I think those two guys are of very good quality. I think Jawara White is good too, but I'm not particularly disappointed that we didn't get him. Then there is Antonio Goodwin. He's not from Alabama, but we offered and didn't uncheck that. Why is it we would be SO worried about losing a guy with like 3 offers total, but not worried about losing 4* guys? It doesn't make sense.
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And you, Prowler, and the rest of the AU fanbase are trying desperately to validate Chizik. I think its 6-2 right now head-to-head on in-state recruits. For that matter, our class is pretty much done. We will gain one more in-state prospect and that is CJ Mosley. We have a total of 14 offers in-state this year. We've lost out on 4 (counting Owens), and one of those was to UF. In case you can't count, 10/14 is pretty damn good. Especially when the majority of those 10 are 4* or higher. We're not going to lose the head-to-head in-state recruiting battle, so go ahead and find another AU party line to spin.
Why is it we had no problem losing out on Jeremy Richardson and Jawara White, but all of a sudden feel the need to uncheck the box on Carter? Why wouldn't we have unchecked the box on one of the higher quality players? They are all easily better recruits than Carter. On the 23rd, none of the services had Carter with an Alabama offer. Otherwise there wouldn't be threads on BOL asking what the hell the deal is because nobody can find anywhere that he has an Alabama offer.
Personally, I'm all about quality over quantity. Every single AU commit can be from the state of Alabama for all I care. As long as we're cherry picking the cream of the crop (Grant, Milliner, Perry, Sanders, Williams, Fowler, etc.), I have no issue with it. I would love to have Jeremy Richardson and LaDarius Owens (even though he isn't technically committed yet). I think those two guys are of very good quality. I think Jawara White is good too, but I'm not particularly disappointed that we didn't get him. Then there is Antonio Goodwin. He's not from Alabama, but we offered and didn't uncheck that. Why is it we would be SO worried about losing a guy with like 3 offers total, but not worried about losing 4* guys? It doesn't make sense.
Because you have to pick and choose your battles?
This kind of stuff has to be subtle because if EVERY Auburn commit suddenly didn't have a Bama offer even though their box was checked, Rivals would lose a tremendous amount of credibilitiy.
Like you said - you're 6-2 against Auburn with head-to-head recruiting battles. That doesn't sound so bad, now does it? Now, if Kenneth Carter has a Bama offer, it looks like 6-3. When Owens commits, it's 6-4. If Mosely were to somehow be persuaded to join the good guys, it would be 6-5. Doesn't look so good for head-to-head battles, now does it? It's kind of hard to continue the "we're dominating Auburn in everything" unless a few of those not-so-studly recruits didn't REALLY have a Bama offer.
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And you, Prowler, and the rest of the AU fanbase are trying desperately to validate Chizik. I think its 6-2 right now head-to-head on in-state recruits. For that matter, our class is pretty much done. We will gain one more in-state prospect and that is CJ Mosley. We have a total of 14 offers in-state this year. We've lost out on 4 (counting Owens), and one of those was to UF. In case you can't count, 10/14 is pretty damn good. Especially when the majority of those 10 are 4* or higher. We're not going to lose the head-to-head in-state recruiting battle, so go ahead and find another AU party line to spin.
Why is it we had no problem losing out on Jeremy Richardson and Jawara White, but all of a sudden feel the need to uncheck the box on Carter? Why wouldn't we have unchecked the box on one of the higher quality players? They are all easily better recruits than Carter. On the 23rd, none of the services had Carter with an Alabama offer. Otherwise there wouldn't be threads on BOL asking what the hell the deal is because nobody can find anywhere that he has an Alabama offer.
Personally, I'm all about quality over quantity. Every single AU commit can be from the state of Alabama for all I care. As long as we're cherry picking the cream of the crop (Grant, Milliner, Perry, Sanders, Williams, Fowler, etc.), I have no issue with it. I would love to have Jeremy Richardson and LaDarius Owens (even though he isn't technically committed yet). I think those two guys are of very good quality. I think Jawara White is good too, but I'm not particularly disappointed that we didn't get him. Then there is Antonio Goodwin. He's not from Alabama, but we offered and didn't uncheck that. Why is it we would be SO worried about losing a guy with like 3 offers total, but not worried about losing 4* guys? It doesn't make sense.
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He had an offer on Saturday. On Rivals. He's not the only one to get "Rivaled". It's a common occurrence.
First of all "like 3 offers" is far from the truth. Unless you only believe Rivals over every other source. I guess they are infallible, huh? LSU, Clemson, BAMA, Kentucky, Ole Miss, Southern Miss, and Auburn. More than double your "like three".
According to Rivals, his offer from bammer was taken away because it "was only a verbal offer". Well shit, I guess no one has any commitments either, cause they're only verbal commitments! Of those that committed to Bammer how many were only given "verbal offers", to which they "verbally committed"? Then when they don't, you guys never wanted them anyway. Case in point.
And why would Rivals do this, you ask? To cater to arrogant fucks like you to bray about how you're absolutely dominatin' the head-to-head recruiting battle, when in reality you're not.
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He had an offer on Saturday. On Rivals. He's not the only one to get "Rivaled". It's a common occurrence.
First of all "like 3 offers" is far from the truth. Unless you only believe Rivals over every other source. I guess they are infallible, huh? LSU, Clemson, BAMA, Kentucky, Ole Miss, Southern Miss, and Auburn. More than double your "like three".
According to Rivals, his offer from bammer was taken away because it "was only a verbal offer". Well shit, I guess no one has any commitments either, cause they're only verbal commitments! Of those that committed to Bammer how many were only given "verbal offers", to which they "verbally committed"? Then when they don't, you guys never wanted them anyway. Case in point.
And why would Rivals do this, you ask? To cater to arrogant fucks like you to bray about how you're absolutely dominatin' the head-to-head recruiting battle, when in reality you're not.
Please explain how we are in danger of losing the head-to-head in-state battle that you previously refered to. Seeing as how all but two of our in-state offers are committed to somebody right now (Owens and Mosley, we will split them), Again, we have lost out on three in-state recruits we offered (one went to UF), and Owens will the the 4th. We have 9 at this point and will land Mosley to make it 10. Thats a 71% success rate on in-state offers. AU has 21 in-state offers and if you count Owens, has verbals from 4. Thats a 19% success rate at this point in time. Are you now wanting to re-word that to head-to-head straight up now? I can't wait to hear this spin.....you need to quit taking Prowler's stupid pills. Your logic skills have gone to shit since you decided to jump on your savior Chizik's bandwagon.
We have dominated you guys on the recruiting trail for the past two years, thats nothing new. YOU guys are the ones trying to validate Chizik and prove something, and you will use whatever excuse you have to so you can explain away why things aren't working out to support your argument.
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It isn't going to make any difference to anyone who doesn't want to believe it, but the "verbal offer" tag could be thrown around pretty easily. We have talked to kids who thought they had a verbal offer after an assistant coach told them at a camp that they "would like to see them at _______ school one day." We obviously don't count that. Not saying that is what happened with Carter, but just saying that when we maintain offers in database they either need to be written or a verbal that is an imminent written offer (like when someone like Corey Grant got the call from Saban saying he has been offered a scholarship and letter is in the mail).
As for 2011 kids, if Saban tells them they will have an offer on September 1, we include that as an offer. If it doesn't happen soon after that, it will be removed. BJ Chitty is an example of that. He got a verbal offer after UA camp but never got anything in writing.
Prowler, does this pretty much sum up your definition of a "commitable" and "non-commitable" offer? Also, Chitty no longer shows Alabama or Auburn checked where he did have both checked at one time. In his interview on 07/20 it says he has an Auburn offer. It wouldn't be surprising since he is a former verbal commitment. Sooooo, why is Auburn's box not checked?
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All of this is so fucking stupid.
Alabama will get who they get. Always have.
Auburn will get who we get. Always have.
Some years Alabama will get better alleged talent. Some years they won't. Every year they'll have sunshine pumped up their ass by the recruiting services. Been that way as long as I can remember.
When it's all over, some Auburn fans will accuse Bama of inflating the stats and Bama fans will laugh at the "scrubs" that Auburn got, often claiming they took the leftovers Bama didn't want. Heard that with Bryant, Perkins, Curry, Stallings, Fran, DuBose, Shula and Saban. Will never change.
The only thing that matters is what you do with the kids you get.
For most of the last 20 years, Auburn's done pretty good with the classes they've gotten. For most of the last 20 years Bama's super classes haven't really panned out. Maybe things change now. Even if they do, it'll only be temporary.
Unless Auburn buries itself with stupid decisions and botched coaching hires (dammit!), the scales will flip back just as quickly as they flipped over -- if they ever really flipped to begin with. Last I checked one season wasn't a trend.
Every coach since Bryant's had one of those blind squirrel years and had the raving lunatics dragging the houndstooth out of storage. A year or two later, it goes back into mothballs. Unless proved otherwise, that's where we are today.
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So rws states that Coach sabbin is 6-2 verses Auburn in recruiting, to date?
Lets look a little deeper shall we:
1. WR Jeremy Richardson
2. WR Antonio Goodwin
3. LB Jawara White
4. OL Shon Coleman
5. DL Kenneth Carter (says himself and his Head Coach)
(6-5) So, rws, does that look like one team is beating the crap out of the other in head-to-head recruiting?
Now rws, if you were to do a little research, before you decided to open your yapper, you would've seen that SPuat has 8 prospects that has offers from Auburn.
I'll ask again, with correct information, does (8-5) look like one team is beating the crap outta the other in head-to-head recruiting?
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So rws states that Coach sabbin is 6-2 verses Auburn in recruiting, to date?
Lets look a little deeper shall we:
1. WR Jeremy Richardson
2. WR Antonio Goodwin
3. LB Jawara White
4. OL Shon Coleman
5. DL Kenneth Carter (says himself and his Head Coach)
(6-5) So, rws, does that look like one team is beating the crap out of the other in head-to-head recruiting?
Now rws, if you were to do a little research, before you decided to open your yapper, you would've seen that SPuat has 8 prospects that has offers from Auburn.
I'll ask again, with correct information, does (8-5) look like one team is beating the crap outta the other in head-to-head recruiting?
If you actually read what I said, I said IN-STATE. That was originally what Chizad said as well and after I showed him he was clearly incorrect that we were in danger of losing the head-to-head in-state battle, I asked him if he wanted to reword that to straight up head-to-head. Would I love to have Goodwin. Sure. Richardson? Damn straight. But those are about the only two highly rated ones we've lost out on, and go ahead and throw Owens in for good measure (I would hope AU wouldn't have any problem landing a legacy). My point that 10/14 in-state is not bad. We will have a 71% success rate on our in-state offers. You guys are batting 19% right now, but you also offered 10 more kids than we did. I'm more concerned about in-state than I am elsewhere, especially when you figure the guys we're getting are pretty damn good. The guys AU is pulling in are sort of hit and miss.
And furthermore, Rivals can't have bammer lose the head-to-head in-state recruiting battle, which they are in danger of, save for the revisionist history.
I never went into straight up head-to-head because that wasn't what was being discussed at the time. Learn to read before you open your yapper.
Also, whats the deal with Chitty? He himself says he has an offer, and since that is good enough for you, why is his Auburn box unchecked? I see you danced around that one nicely.
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If you actually read what I said, I said IN-STATE. That was originally what Chizad said as well and after I showed him he was clearly incorrect that we were in danger of losing the head-to-head in-state battle, I asked him if he wanted to reword that to straight up head-to-head.
I never went into straight up head-to-head because that wasn't what was being discussed at the time. Learn to read before you open your yapper.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uecapxuY-k (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uecapxuY-k)
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Prowler
please, please, please walk away from this fight. I'm sick of seeing your ass on a platter.
ass on a platter, from whom, exactly? You, rws...? That's hilarious.
As for BJ, rws, when he committed to Auburn, he committed to a verbal offer (since at the time he committed, no University can present a written offer) from the old coaching staff. So, when the new coaching staff was formed, his verbal offer, that he committed to, was no longer on the table. Is that so hard to understand? Keep trying.
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ass on a platter, from whom, exactly? You, rws...? That's hilarious.
As for BJ, rws, when he committed to Auburn, he committed to a verbal offer (since at the time he committed, no University can present a written offer) from the old coaching staff. So, when the new coaching staff was formed, his verbal offer, that he committed to, was no longer on the table. Is that so hard to understand? Keep trying.
Either you just cannot read, or you just choose to selectively read. I'm not sure which one it is. I already stated that in an interview 8 days ago, Chitty claims to have an Auburn offer. However, his offer box isn't checked. Sooo, whats the story on that? Apparently a kid saying he has an offer is good enough for you on the Carter issue. Does the same not hold true with Chitty? Or is that theory only applied towards recruits that you pick and choose?
Now, do yourself a favor and read the above information 3-4 times. Let it swirl around in there for a few minutes before you respond, and try to keep up this time. I don't want a bunch of bullshit about whatever, simply answer the questions above.
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ass on a platter, from whom, exactly? You, rws...? That's hilarious.
As for BJ, rws, when he committed to Auburn, he committed to a verbal offer (since at the time he committed, no University can present a written offer) from the old coaching staff. So, when the new coaching staff was formed, his verbal offer, that he committed to, was no longer on the table. Is that so hard to understand? Keep trying.
I deleted that post because I decided I didn't want to embarrass you. Since you asked...
Yeah, I hate to say it, but just like BG did to Chopper over on that other board, you get your ass served to you on a regular basis here.
Sometimes the better part of valor is knowing when to quit. You are getting super fucked up, like a teenage black girl with razors has been at you in these arguments. Know when to quit. Your pal Chopper never did and BG turned his ass into hamburger on a regular basis. It was fucking cringe-worthy watching him get mauled and not even being self aware enough to know he was being annihilated. It's not that bad here yet, but you're getting plowed regularly.
Just walk away. Let them think what they want. You'll win more often.
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Either you just cannot read, or you just choose to selectively read. I'm not sure which one it is. I already stated that in an interview 8 days ago, Chitty claims to have an Auburn offer. However, his offer box isn't checked. Sooo, whats the story on that? Apparently a kid saying he has an offer is good enough for you on the Carter issue. Does the same not hold true with Chitty? Or is that theory only applied towards recruits that you pick and choose?
Now, do yourself a favor and read the above information 3-4 times. Let it swirl around in there for a few minutes before you respond, and try to keep up this time. I don't want a bunch of bullshit about whatever, simply answer the questions above.
BJ can "claim" all he wants. He doesn't have a firm offer, nor does he have a verbal offer....Auburn is not recruiting him, rws let that swirl around in your thin gray matter for a little while. Auburn was recruiting him with the "Old Staff", therefore he had an offer. Maybe he thinks that he still has that offer, idk. What I do know is that if he wanted to commit, he couldn't.
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BJ can "claim" all he wants. He doesn't have a firm offer, nor does he have a verbal offer....Auburn is not recruiting him, rws let that swirl around in your thin gray matter for a little while. Auburn was recruiting him with the "Old Staff", therefore he had an offer. Maybe he thinks that he still has that offer, idk. What I do know is that if he wanted to commit, he couldn't.
Carter can "claim" all he wants. He doesn't have a firm offer, nor does he havea verbal offer....Alabama is not recruiting him, Prowler let that swirl around in your thin gray matter for a while. He has never even camped at Alabama or anything. Maybe he thinks that he has an Alabama offer, idk. What I do know is that if he wanted to commit, he couldn't.
See how easy that is? So, Chitty claims to have an Auburn offer and its total BS, because he must be confused and you say so. Carter claims to have an Alabama offer, and its DA TRUF because he chose AU, and it helps your Chizik crusade.
Thats total bullshit. Thats part of my argument that the bullshit you spew only applies when you want it to. Oh, I forgot.....you "know things". :taunt: Cameron Kenny goes somewhere else after committing to AU and oh, the new staff pulled his offer. We didn't want him anyways. How do you explain away that Carter didn't have an Alabama offer according to any of the three services on the 23rd, because there are threads on BOL asking who the hell this kid is and that he doesn't show an offer from us anywhere? I would love to know that answer, because you have danced around it for the past two pages. Something tells me Alabama isn't going to offer a relatively unknown DL with three offers for a class where DL is not a priority at all, especially when he has never camped at Alabama and is admittedly an Auburn fan since birth.
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Am I the only one around here who doesn't give a tin shit in an aluminum bucket about any of this bullshit?
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Am I the only one around here who doesn't give a tin shit in an aluminum bucket about any of this bullshit?
Huh????What????
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Huh????What????
I heard somewhere their periods attract bears. The bears can smell the menstruation!
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I heard somewhere their periods attract bears. The bears can smell the menstruation!
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Am I the only one around here who doesn't give a tin shit in an aluminum bucket about any of this bullshit?
I give a shit about recruiting, not as much as some, but I know what you are thinking. Who cares if a recruit has an offer from one school or another and why waste your time trying to convince each other of it? Like you said in another thread, teams will get who they get.
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I heard somewhere their periods attract bears. The bears can smell the menstruation!
Timothy Treadwell?
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Kenneth Carter (http://auburn.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=86064) DT 6'5" 265lbs. 4.9 40 Greenville, Ala.
Offers from:
Auburn
SPuat
Ole Miss
Kentucky
Southern Miss
Receiving interest from:
Georgia
Tennessee
Arkansas
Florida State
Junior season 60 Tackles 6 sacks.
Here's my PM to a few of the TigersX members in regards to the upcoming commitment.....notice the time and, no, the message was not altered. The SPuat offer box was checked when I sent out the message. I'm not sure what the hell you're talking about, regarding Cameron Kenney...Auburn wanted him and would still have liked to have landed him. As for Chitty, is his Head Coach saying that he has an Auburn offer now? Answer that question, before you come off looking dumber than you already are.
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Here's my PM to a few of the TigersX members in regards to the upcoming commitment.....notice the time and, no, the message was not altered. The SPuat offer box was checked when I sent out the message. I'm not sure what the hell you're talking about, regarding Cameron Kenney...Auburn wanted him and would still have liked to have landed him. As for Chitty, is his Head Coach saying that he has an Auburn offer now? Answer that question, before you come off looking dumber than you already are.
Prowler, seriously, who gives a fiddling fuck? You are getting completely punked in this debate. Give it a rest.
You posted your own post which is effectively fucking MEANINGLESS in terms of actual proof.
It's like saying, yeah, the sun is made of chicken beaks. Want proof? Here's where I said it was made of chicken beaks last fucking week!! So boo-yah, motherfuckers.
Please. Let it go. Eat your ass sandwich and find another horse to ride. This one's dead.
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Here's my PM to a few of the TigersX members in regards to the upcoming commitment.....notice the time and, no, the message was not altered. The SPuat offer box was checked when I sent out the message. I'm not sure what the hell you're talking about, regarding Cameron Kenney...Auburn wanted him and would still have liked to have landed him. As for Chitty, is his Head Coach saying that he has an Auburn offer now? Answer that question, before you come off looking dumber than you already are.
Wow, you can copy over information from an article. I'm impressed. All of that offer info was in different articles about him announcing his commitment a week from then. I looked at the services myself, along with others on the 23rd when we were all wondering who the hell this kid was.....I hate to bust your bubble, but the kid didn't show an Alabama offer. How convenient that you have "forgot" about Kenney all of a sudden. You were the main one spewing the whole "we pulled his offer" storyline. Nice. That was a pretty good back and forth between you and I, I'm surprised that you "forgot" it.
Oh, since now you've been shown the double standard with Chitty as an example, now what the recruit says doesn't count, but what his high school coach says is the final word? Thats typical of you, Prowler. Very typical. The rules always change to whatever you need them to as a thread progresses. You can believe what you want, thats fine with me. Our class is in great shape as it is. I'm beyond done with you and should have stopped replying a long time ago.
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Prowler, seriously, who gives a fiddling fuck? You are getting completely punked in this debate. Give it a rest.
You posted your own post which is effectively fucking MEANINGLESS in terms of actual proof.
It's like saying, yeah, the sun is made of chicken beaks. Want proof? Here's where I said it was made of chicken beaks last fucking week!! So boo-yah, motherfuckers.
Please. Let it go. Eat your ass sandwich and find another horse to ride. This one's dead.
I'm not going to post that a player has an offer if their offer box isn't checked. I'll post that certain teams are interested or are showing interest. I don't lie about that and if you'd checked out his profile, by clicking on his name, when I PMed that to you...back on the 23rd of July at 6:19:05 PM, you would've seen that his offer, from SPuat, was there.
As for your fucking retarded analogy, if you would've told me that the sun is made of chicken beaks, then opened the door for me to see for myself...which I apparently would've thought you were a loon. But, two to four days later I hear from everyone else, that saw the sun on that day, and they tell me that the sun was made of chicken beaks on that day or the next. Then, yeah, I would look back and say..."hmmm, kaos did say that it was made of chicken beaks on that day and he even wrote down the date and time that it was chicken beaks, man that's weird, I wish I would've gotten off the couch and looked for myself."
Nah, I would just say that you're getting your ass handed to you by a mouthbreather that says that it wasn't made of chicken beaks on that day, because everyone else in the Trailer Park said so, eventhough they couldn't see the sun what with all the Meth smoke filling the air.
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Wow, you can copy over information from an article. I'm impressed. All of that offer info was in different articles about him announcing his commitment a week from then. I looked at the services myself, along with others on the 23rd when we were all wondering who the hell this kid was.....I hate to bust your bubble, but the kid didn't show an Alabama offer. How convenient that you have "forgot" about Kenney all of a sudden. You were the main one spewing the whole "we pulled his offer" storyline. Nice. That was a pretty good back and forth between you and I, I'm surprised that you "forgot" it.
Oh, since now you've been shown the double standard with Chitty as an example, now what the recruit says doesn't count, but what his high school coach says is the final word? Thats typical of you, Prowler. Very typical. The rules always change to whatever you need them to as a thread progresses. You can believe what you want, thats fine with me. Our class is in great shape as it is. I'm beyond done with you and should have stopped replying a long time ago.
I never stated that Auburn pulled his offer AND I haven't forgotten about Kenney, I'll remember him 4 or more years from now. Why? Because following recruiting is my hobby, it's what I like to do to wind down after a hard day at work flipping burgers. But hey, why should I ruin all your fun of making up a bunch of shit.
Also, I hate to burst your bubble, actually I don't...I love to burst your little bubble so I can watch you get all worked up...LMAO, but Kenneth Carter had an offer from SPuat on the 23rd when I checked it, at five seconds past 1819. I'll also state this, on Scout, everyone was stating how Andrew Bone was going back and taking off his offer check mark, then putting it back on....then taking it back off. It changed about 4 times in the matter of an hour, that was on the 24th.
As for copying over information. I just posted the players height, size, speed, where he's from, who he has offers from and what teams are/were showing interest....you know what, come to think of it, yeah, I did copy that information....word for fuckin' word, down to the last team. Anyone could go and look at the player's profile, that isn't reserved for premium members. But, knowing when or who's going to commit to where is...unless you know someone that's on the "inside"....*cough* *cough*
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I'm not going to post that a player has an offer if their offer box isn't checked. I'll post that certain teams are interested or are showing interest. I don't lie about that and if you'd checked out his profile, by clicking on his name, when I PMed that to you...back on the 23rd of July at 6:19:05 PM, you would've seen that his offer, from SPuat, was there.
As for your fucking retarded analogy, if you would've told me that the sun is made of chicken beaks, then opened the door for me to see for myself...which I apparently would've thought you were a loon. But, two to four days later I hear from everyone else, that saw the sun on that day, and they tell me that the sun was made of chicken beaks on that day or the next. Then, yeah, I would look back and say..."hmmm, kaos did say that it was made of chicken beaks on that day and he even wrote down the date and time that it was chicken beaks, man that's weird, I wish I would've gotten off the couch and looked for myself."
Nah, I would just say that you're getting your ass handed to you by a mouthbreather that says that it wasn't made of chicken beaks on that day, because everyone else in the Trailer Park said so, eventhough they couldn't see the sun what with all the Meth smoke filling the air.
Blah, blah, blah.
You san say all day and all night what you would and would not do. The fact remains that to support your position you quoted yourself.
That's gay. It's fucked up. It's got all the gravitas of OJ's hunt for the real killers.
You simply cannot quote your previous unsubstantiated post and go "so there." You lost immediately. It's over. RWS was already serving you your nuts, ass, and other assorted appendages on a platter. Any hope you had of staying in the fight was eliminated the second you quoted your own fucking self as validation.
Even Jesus wouldn't do that. Even if you are right -- and who knows or cares any more if you are -- you've lost this war because you quoted YOURSELF and used that as the conclusive evidence. That's a fail. Fail, fail, fail, fail, fail. Even if what you originally posted was correct, all you have is your own post as evidence. Nothing to corroborate it. F.A.I.L.
I'm sorry you can't see it. I feel bad for you. I'm asking you once again -- Auburn fan to Auburn fan -- QUIT. You're getting fucking killed. Chopper's dumb ass never saw it. He would get absolutely fucking slaughtered by BG and stand around with his own nuts hanging out of his mouth and think he was killing it. You're not that unaware. Walk the fuck away. Please.
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Blah, blah, blah.
You san say all day and all night what you would and would not do. The fact remains that to support your position you quoted yourself.
That's gay. It's fucked up. It's got all the gravitas of OJ's hunt for the real killers.
You simply cannot quote your previous unsubstantiated post and go "so there." You lost immediately. It's over. RWS was already serving you your nuts, ass, and other assorted appendages on a platter. Any hope you had of staying in the fight was eliminated the second you quoted your own fucking self as validation.
Even Jesus wouldn't do that. Even if you are right -- and who knows or cares any more if you are -- you've lost this war because you quoted YOURSELF and used that as the conclusive evidence. That's a fail. Fail, fail, fail, fail, fail. Even if what you originally posted was correct, all you have is your own post as evidence. Nothing to corroborate it. F.A.I.L.
I'm sorry you can't see it. I feel bad for you. I'm asking you once again -- Auburn fan to Auburn fan -- QUIT. You're getting fucking killed. Chopper's dumb ass never saw it. He would get absolutely fucking slaughtered by BG and stand around with his own nuts hanging out of his mouth and think he was killing it. You're not that unaware. Walk the fuck away. Please.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INOeZnfUuIY&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INOeZnfUuIY&feature=related)
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18 year old kids lie about recruiting and sometimes even their head coaches believe it case in point http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/columns/story?columnist=wojciechowski_gene&id=3236039
And kids do make up lies and say that they have verbal offers to entice more schools to actually offer them.
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18 year old kids lie about recruiting and sometimes even their head coaches believe it case in point http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/columns/story?columnist=wojciechowski_gene&id=3236039
And kids do make up lies and say that they have verbal offers to entice more schools to actually offer them.
I got an offer from Florida State.
Actually, it was an offer to cease and desist immediately my stalking activites after 1:00 a.m. around the sorority dorm 2nd floor windows or serve massive amounts of jail time. I took the first offer.
But it WAS an offer.
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I got an offer from Florida State.
Actually, it was an offer to cease and desist immediately my stalking activites after 1:00 a.m. around the sorority dorm 2nd floor windows or serve massive amounts of jail time. I took the first offer.
But it WAS an offer.
Well if we are going there I was offered by Auburn police department just a few months ago. I didn't even realize I had any eligibility left.
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Well if we are going there I was offered by Auburn police department just a few months ago. I didn't even realize I had any eligibility left.
It's just nice to be noticed sometimes. Makes you think you've still got it.
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It's just nice to be noticed sometimes. Makes you think you've still got it.
I had it for about three days before I lost it. Auburn police department then withdrew their offer.
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I had it for about three days before I lost it. Auburn police department then withdrew their offer.
Thanks for reminding me that you have a story to tell next week.
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Thanks for reminding me that you have a story to tell next week.
Yeah there is that. Don't let me forget to tell tales of "Duke's Nipa Hut" from the Philippines.
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Yeah there is that. Don't let me forget to tell tales of "Duke's Nipa Hut" from the Philippines.
It's story time!
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Side note: I talked to my BIL this weekend, who corched against Carter last year. Unfortunately, they don't play them this year so there goes my excuse for going to see him play. He said the kid is a beast and very athletic. He said he sees him as an O-lineman by the time he gets to AU with his height and frame. Just one 5A Corch's opinion.
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A lesson in waiting until February to gloat.
And you, Prowler, and the rest of the AU fanbase are trying desperately to validate Chizik. I think its 6-2 right now head-to-head on in-state recruits. For that matter, our class is pretty much done. We will gain one more in-state prospect and that is CJ Mosley. We have a total of 14 offers in-state this year. We've lost out on 4 (counting Owens), and one of those was to UF. In case you can't count, 10/14 is pretty damn good. Especially when the majority of those 10 are 4* or higher. We're not going to lose the head-to-head in-state recruiting battle, so go ahead and find another AU party line to spin.
Why is it we had no problem losing out on Jeremy Richardson and Jawara White, but all of a sudden feel the need to uncheck the box on Carter? Why wouldn't we have unchecked the box on one of the higher quality players? They are all easily better recruits than Carter. On the 23rd, none of the services had Carter with an Alabama offer. Otherwise there wouldn't be threads on BOL asking what the hell the deal is because nobody can find anywhere that he has an Alabama offer.
Personally, I'm all about quality over quantity. Every single AU commit can be from the state of Alabama for all I care. As long as we're cherry picking the cream of the crop (Grant (For later), Milliner, Perry, Sanders, Williams, Fowler, etc.), I have no issue with it. I would love to have Jeremy Richardson and LaDarius Owens (even though he isn't technically committed yet). I think those two guys are of very good quality. I think Jawara White is good too, but I'm not particularly disappointed that we didn't get him. Then there is Antonio Goodwin. He's not from Alabama, but we offered and didn't uncheck that. Why is it we would be SO worried about losing a guy with like 3 offers total, but not worried about losing 4* guys? It doesn't make sense.
Please explain how we are in danger of losing the head-to-head in-state battle that you previously refered to. Seeing as how all but two of our in-state offers are committed to somebody right now (Owens and Mosley, we will split them), Again, we have lost out on three in-state recruits we offered (one went to UF), and Owens will the the 4th. We have 9 at this point and will land Mosley to make it 10. Thats a 71% success rate on in-state offers. AU has 21 in-state offers and if you count Owens, has verbals from 4. Thats a 19% success rate at this point in time. Are you now wanting to re-word that to head-to-head straight up now? I can't wait to hear this spin.....you need to quit taking Prowler's stupid pills. Your logic skills have gone to shit since you decided to jump on your savior Chizik's bandwagon.
We have dominated you guys on the recruiting trail for the past two years, thats nothing new. YOU guys are the ones trying to validate Chizik and prove something, and you will use whatever excuse you have to so you can explain away why things aren't working out to support your argument.
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A lesson in waiting until February to gloat.
This sounds awfully familiar. :bc:
Nice find, Chizad!
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Because you have to pick and choose your battles?
This kind of stuff has to be subtle because if EVERY Auburn commit suddenly didn't have a Bama offer even though their box was checked, Rivals would lose a tremendous amount of credibilitiy.
Like you said - you're 6-2 against Auburn with head-to-head recruiting battles. That doesn't sound so bad, now does it? Now, if Kenneth Carter has a Bama offer, it looks like 6-3. When Owens commits, it's 6-4. If Mosely were to somehow be persuaded to join the good guys, it would be 6-5. Doesn't look so good for head-to-head battles, now does it? It's kind of hard to continue the "we're dominating Auburn in everything" unless a few of those not-so-studly recruits didn't REALLY have a Bama offer.
So, as of yesterday, the instate battle is (6-4) favoring SPuat, now that LaDarius Owens committed to Auburn.....as of last night, the instate battle is (5-5), now that Craig Sanders has de-committed from SPuat and committed to Auburn. C.J. Moseley will more than likely end up at SPuat, so the battle will be (6-5) favoring SPuat. Now how would the battle look if Corey Grant follows Craig Sander's lead? That's right (6-5) favoring Auburn. Uh Oh!!! :clap: