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Pat Dye Field => War Damn Eagle => Topic started by: AUChizad on June 20, 2012, 10:29:43 AM
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As you may know, the Updyke trial has been going on this week.
Interestingly, the Auburn Plainsmen got Updyke to confess. What a tard.
http://theplainsman.com/view/full_story/19040803/article-Updyke-confesses-to-Plainsman---Did-I-do-it--Yes-?instance=home_news_1st_right
Updyke confesses to Plainsman: 'Did I do it? Yes.'
by Andrew Yawn / COMMUNITY EDITOR
15 hrs ago
Updyke confessed his guilt Tuesday at the Lee County Justice Center during a recess of the jury selection for his upcoming trial.
(Editor's note: The Plainsman community editor Andrew Yawn approached Harvey Updyke at the Lee County Justice Center in Opelika on Tuesday, June 19, following the first round of jury selection in regard to Updyke's apparent health issues. After Yawn identified himself as a Plainsman reporter, Updyke voluntarily spoke candidly about the charges he is facing.)
It didn’t happen on a stand, in a courthouse, before a judge or in front of a jury of his peers: Harvey Updyke admitted his guilt before the trial even began.
He had the ability to decline comment, to wait until the trial, to not say anything at all, and yet the same candor that broke his story on The Paul Finebaum Show in January 2011 revealed itself again on Tuesday, June 19.
“Did I do it? Yes,†Updyke said outside of an elevator on the second floor of the Lee County Justice Center in Opelika.
Updyke pleaded innocent to several counts of desecration of a venerated object, first-degree criminal mischief and unlawful damage or vandalism of a crop facility after he allegedly poisoned the Toomer’s Oaks with Spike 80DF, a powerful herbicide, after the 2010 Iron Bowl.
Updyke appeared to have some difficulty breathing while attending the jury selection for his upcoming trial and while Judge Jacob Walker read the charges filed against him aloud.
Updyke acknowledged the trial was already sapping his fading strength when approached about his health concerns.
“I thought I was going to pass out all morning,†Updyke said.
His wife, Elva Updyke, said she had doubts about how he would fare throughout the trial.
“I guarantee he won’t last the trial without something happening,†Elva said.
Updyke said he has lost 62 pounds since his arrest and is currently taking 18 different medications for a variety of ailments.
But Updyke didn’t stop there.
As he and his wife stood by the window on the second floor of the Justice Center, a seemingly remorseful Updyke opened up about the crime that fanned the flames of one of the most heated rivalries in sports history.
Before his trial began and before his jury was even selected, Updyke convicted himself by admitting to poisoning one of Auburn’s most iconic landmarks.
Updyke also said his lawyer, Everett Wess, would probably drop him if he found out he was speaking about the case.
Why he decided to admit his guilt may remain unknown. However, Updyke had seemingly already resigned himself his fate.
“They’re going to find me guilty… it’s a done deal,†Updyke said. “I don’t think I’m going to get a fair trial.â€
Elva also said Judge Walker refused to excuse a juror during the questioning of potential jurors Tuesday morning after she said she “probably couldn’t†remain impartial.
In addition, when asked if they had heard or read about Updyke’s alleged crimes, almost all of the candidates raised their hands, with approximately seven of the 85 being employed by Auburn University.
Updyke also said he was not alone in poisoning the oaks. However, he declined to reveal his accomplice’s name.
“There’s a lot of stuff that’s not going to come out,†he said.
For Updyke, the blame and the guilt are solely his to bear.
“Do you ever wake up in the middle of the night and just wish that you hadn’t done something?†Updyke said.
Despite his contrition, the attempted killing of the approximately 131-year-old trees attacked the roots of one of Auburn’s oldest traditions.
And yet, Updyke did not come out unscathed.
Like the trees, the damage for Updyke is already done.
“It’s ruined my life,†Updyke said. “I’ve got a daughter that won’t even talk to me now.â€
As for the oaks, uncertainties abound as the trees’ ability to recover remains unknown.
While Auburn’s citizens hope to see new foliage sprout soon from the historic branches, Updyke may now be the trees’ most ardent supporter.
“I hope they live,†Updyke said.
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“Did I do it? Yes,†Updyke said outside of an elevator on the second floor of the Lee County Justice Center in Opelika.
Updyke pleaded innocent to several counts of desecration of a venerated object, first-degree criminal mischief and unlawful damage or vandalism of a crop facility after he allegedly poisoned the Toomer’s Oaks with Spike 80DF, a powerful herbicide, after the 2010 Iron Bowl.
Updyke convicted himself by admitting to poisoning one of Auburn’s most iconic landmarks.
Updyke also said his lawyer, Everett Wess, would probably drop him if he found out he was speaking about the case.
“They’re going to find me guilty… it’s a done deal,†Updyke said. “I don’t think I’m going to get a fair trial.â€
Is this man retarded?
I did it, but I'm innocent. And even though I admit that I'm guilty I'm going to be found guilty because I can't get a fair trial. Really?
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I'm guessing that his daughter won't speak to him because the dipshit named her Crimson Tyde.
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It's evident that this trial isn't about guilt or innocence, but more about what to do with the idiot. I suggest an IV push with Spike 80DF concentrations of no less than 1500ppm.
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“They’re going to find me guilty… it’s a done deal,†Updyke said. “I don’t think I’m going to get a fair trial.â€
He tries to paint a picture here that a guilty verdict is a trial that isn't fair. When in reality, a guilty verdict is a fair trial in this case. They are not mutually exclusive even though he tries to frame it as such.
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Is this man retarded?
He thought that poisoning trees would somehow benefit a university he never attended.
Yes. He's retarded.
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He thought that poisoning trees would somehow benefit a university he never attended.
Yes. He's retarded.
Here's what is sad: he used to be a State Trooper. He had a gun and the authority to use it. Scary thought for someone with his frame of mind.
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Here's what is sad: he used to be a State Trooper. He had a gun and the authority to use it. Scary thought for someone with his frame of mind.
Yep.
He could have easily thought - "Auburn is nothing without Cam Newton. Maybe instead of poisoning these threes, I'll shoot him and ruin Auburn's hopes of winning a national title."
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He's trying to draw out the trail as much as possible, now they've asked the journalist from the Plainsman to take the stand and answer some questions (taking time away from the actual case). The Judge also ordered a â€gag order†on any involved in the case...now they're going to have to comb through the jury pool again, due to that article. Btw, updyke isn't going to be quiet about the trail, he'll keep talking. What's the worse that could happen.
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Yep.
He could have easily thought - "Auburn is nothing without Cam Newton. Maybe instead of poisoning these threes, I'll shoot him and ruin Auburn's hopes of winning a national title."
He prolly still thinks that. :facepalm:
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http://www.wsfa.com/story/18835464/2012/06/20/tree-poisoning-case-may-be-stalled-after-newspaper-article-surfaces
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Can't see this stalling the trial. Updyke did it himself. Call the reporter as a witness, and drive on.
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Can't see this stalling the trial. Updyke did it himself. Call the reporter as a witness, and drive on.
Whether it does or not, he is trying to turn this into a circus.
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Whether it does or not, he is trying to turn this into a circus.
To his own detriment.
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Gotta ask you barrister types:
He has pled not guilty by reason of mental disease or defect. Is that not the same as saying "I did it, but I am fucked in the head, so I should not be held accountable"?
If you think you are innocent, then plead "not guilty". How mentally fucked up you are should not be an issue at that point if you are innocent.
To me, that choice of plea is an admission of guilt, with an attempt to mitigate punishment by claiming you are brain damaged.
Yes? No?
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To his own detriment.
I think people have seen it work in high profile cases enough to think it has some effect.
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Gotta ask you barrister types:
He has pled not guilty by reason of mental disease or defect. Is that not the same as saying "I did it, but I am fucked in the head, so I should not be held accountable"?
If you think you are innocent, then plead "not guilty". How mentally fucked up you are should not be an issue at that point if you are innocent.
To me, that choice of plea is an admission of guilt, with an attempt to mitigate punishment by claiming you are brain damaged.
Yes? No?
You can plead both Not Guilty, and Not Guilty by reason of mental disease or defect. In either case, the state has to prove their case beyond a reasonable doubt first. If they can, you bring on the experts to say you were crazy. If they don't, or you think they didn't then you don't have to put on your crazy defense.
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I think people have seen it work in high profile cases enough to think it has some effect.
There are some dumbasses that simply enjoy the show, and the attention, or they think their antics will delay the inevitable. Judges/Attorneys/DAs are experienced in all the tricks, and Updyke isn't bringing any new game. Updyke has mental issues in my layman's opinion. Not the kind that would come anywhere near mounting a successful NGRI defense, but he's a nut job to say the least.
Oh, and when I hear the name Elva Updyke, visions of trailers and redwood decks come to mind.
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There are some dumbasses that simply enjoy the show, and the attention, or they think their antics will delay the inevitable. Judges/Attorneys/DAs are experienced in all the tricks, and Updyke isn't bringing any new game. Updyke has mental issues in my layman's opinion. Not the kind that would come anywhere near mounting a successful NGRI defense, but he's a nut job to say the least.
Oh, and when I hear the name Elva Updyke, visions of trailers and redwood decks come to mind.
He's just too full of bama.
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NGRI defense
Is you, or is you ain't, my constituency?
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Gotta ask you barrister types:
He has pled not guilty by reason of mental disease or defect. Is that not the same as saying "I did it, but I am fudgeed in the head, so I should not be held accountable"?
If you think you are innocent, then plead "not guilty". How mentally fudgeed up you are should not be an issue at that point if you are innocent.
To me, that choice of plea is an admission of guilt, with an attempt to mitigate punishment by claiming you are brain damaged.
Yes? No?
I'm not a lawyer but I think I dated a few who became such.
I am crazy though so I will weigh in.
He has pled not guilty by reason of mental disease or defect. Is that not the same as saying "I did it, but I am fudgeed in the head, so I should not be held accountable"?
This is probably the concoction of his legal deefince team because pleading, "Judge, I just got too much 'Bama in me" probably wouldn't fly ever in court anywhere.
Harvey is a fudgeing legend to the houndstoothless nation so he'll either be "Free at last" or "a decorated martyr" when this is all said and done.
Where's my medicine?!?
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fucking legend
Speaking of this particular mouthbreather...
I caught a couple of minutes of Fbaum yesterday and legend was wrapping up his call. Apparently he was testifying to the fact that Harvey will be protected in prison because the inmates will be aware of his allegiance. He drew some parallel to his own life (apparently he spent time in prison) and experience with prison "gangs".
I think legend was the bitch for the Sisters.
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I think Legend was the bitch for the Sisters is still a bitch.
FTFY
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Speaking of this particular mouthbreather...
I caught a couple of minutes of Fbaum yesterday and legend was wrapping up his call. Apparently he was testifying to the fact that Harvey will be protected in prison because the inmates will be aware of his allegiance. He drew some parallel to his own life (apparently he spent time in prison) and experience with prison "gangs".
I think legend was the bitch for the Sisters.
Legend did a stretch of about 20 years for a murder he did when he was 17. And, in true fashion, he claims to have been railroaded. Said it was self defense, but nobody would believe him, or some shit like that. I've heard bits and pieces of the story, and don't know all the facts, but I think it was something to the effect of a pool hall bickering match where the victim told Legend "I'll fucking kill you", and Legend "in self defense" shot him dead.
I do take some joy in the fact that the bammer nation is represented so well by a murdering Ex Con in Legend, DJ Kdub who "spins records" at a titty bar for a living, A crazy ass, back woods, snake handling "preacher" in Dawson, and formerly represented by a now deceased Pall Mall puffing redneck that was the manager down at the ice packing plant. And the hero of that whole lot of rejects from the island of misfit toys is Harvey Updyke. But, we all know, they're the exceptions.
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Speaking of this particular mouthbreather...
I caught a couple of minutes of Fbaum yesterday and legend was wrapping up his call. Apparently he was testifying to the fact that Harvey will be protected in prison because the inmates will be aware of his allegiance. He drew some parallel to his own life (apparently he spent time in prison) and experience with prison "gangs".
I think legend was the bitch for the Sisters.
Elaborate. He'll be protected cause he's a bammer? Is Legend admitting that the prison system is that highly concentrated with Turds?
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Inmates dislike ex-State Troopers. The judge should sentence him to life without parole at a Maximum facility in Texas, not too many bammer turds there.
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I do take some joy in the fact that the bammer nation is represented so well by a murdering Ex Con in Legend, DJ Kdub who "spins records" at a titty bar for a living, A crazy ass, back woods, snake handling "preacher" in Dawson, and formerly represented by a now deceased Pall Mall puffing redneck that was the manager down at the ice packing plant. And the hero of that whole lot of rejects from the island of misfit toys is Harvey Updyke. But, we all know, they're the exceptions.
:clap:
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Idea stolen from another board but I like my addition.
(http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d58/saniflush/browning_and_freaks_updyke.jpg)
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Read The Plainsman article (in print) this morning and these two tidbits on page 2 stood out to me:
Updyke also said he was not alone in poisoning the oaks. However, he declined to reveal his accomplice's name.
Is this the first time he's asserted this? I don't recall hearing that before. Seems like smoke to me.
"There's a lot of stuff that's not going to come out," he said.
So, what like Woosie's lawyer claims, you were goaded into this, Harvey? Scotch taping an Auburn t-shirt with a #2 on it to Bryant's statue is the same as what you did?
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So, what like Woosie's lawyer claims, you were goaded into this, Harvey? Scotch taping an Auburn t-shirt with a #2 on it to Bryant's statue is the same as what you did?
Hey man, it was duct tape.
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One of us! One of us!
Gooble gobble, Gooble gobble,
We accept him, we accept him,
One of us! One of us!
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One of us! One of us!
Gooble gobble, Gooble gobble,
We accept him, we accept him,
One of us! One of us!
What is "gooble gobble?" Is that one of those fancy iPhone apps you kids talk about?
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rabble, rabble
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Is this the first time he's asserted this? I don't recall hearing that before. Seems like smoke to me.
Don't remember the guy's name, but he had a "friend" that was basically letting him stay at one of his houses, and who <gasp> had access to the spike 80 that Updkye "allegedly" used.
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Elaborate. He'll be protected cause he's a bammer? Is Legend admitting that the prison system is that highly concentrated with Turds?
I missed the beginning of the call, so your assumption is what I took from it.
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Idea stolen from another board but I like my addition.
(http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d58/saniflush/browning_and_freaks_updyke.jpg)
Awesome photoshopping of Saban to the left side of the pic. It's like he's really there!
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Interesting notes from jury selection:
-Original pool was of 85 potential jurors.
-Asked who had heard of Updyke, 84 raised their hands. Only one elderly woman had no idea who he was.
-Of the 85, "over half" said they have rolled Toomer's Corner.
-Asked if they would make a decision based on Updyke's "status" as an Alabama fan, no one raised their hand.
-Just now they are asking the jury if they had heard anything about the Updyke case since Tuesday. Trying to figure out if the Plainsman article "poisoned" the jury pool.
Everyone involved in the case except both lawyers have been issued gag orders.
This includes the author of the Plainsman article in which Harvey confessed. He is no longer allowed to cover the case.
This also includes Paul Finebaum, although he is allowed to continue hosting his show.
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Dude is going to get off with a very minimal punishment. Just my gut feeling.
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JR4AU belligerently wrong again:
Judge said he became convinced that Updyke couldn't get fair trial with current jury pool.
In so many words, this is essentially a "mistrial" before the trial starts.
Judge also plans to hear motion for change of venue; Also says he thinks the entire state knows about the case, which could be problematic.
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Well, naturally, everywhere in the state is going to be bias against Harvey Updyke except for maybe a few people in Tuscaloosa. They should probably move the trial there.
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Judge also plans to hear motion for change of venue; Also says he thinks the entire state knows about the case, which could be problematic.
Dangit. Knew it. Friggin Bammer get away with everything. Next you are going to tell me the teabagger has been cleared.
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Dangit. Knew it. Friggin Bammer get away with everything. Next you are going to tell me the teabagger has been cleared.
If Lord Saybinz wills it so.
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JR4AU belligerently wrong again:
Uh oh....trouble.
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Uh oh....trouble.
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I know this will drive the lawyers crazy at my ignorance, but this is a problem with our legal system.
So because this fucking idiot has confessed three times now on public record (once on the Finebaum show, once to Track'Em Tigers, or whoever that was that pranked him, and once to the Plainsman), that means he can't get a fair trial? First of all, his stupid ass did this to himself. Secondly, an admission of guilt should absolutely be considered in a criminal trial. I don't give a fuck what the books say. I understand that there are situations where dumbshits will confess to crimes they didn't commit when under extreme duress, and cannot be the be-all-end-all, but it should be considered. And this is not one of those situations, anyway. The dumbshit bragged about it on a national radio show, and then told the fucking newspaper. Because he did this we're talking mistrial? That's justice? I can maybe understand saying the "prank" should be stricken from the record, but still, I feel like whether the fucker knew he was being recorded or not, a confession's a confession, and it not only should affect the trial, but sure as shit shouldn't taint it to the point that it has to be moved or God-forbid voided due to a mistrial...
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFOUqurUgFk#t=70m00s
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I understand that there are situations where dumbshits will confess to crimes they didn't commit when under extreme duress, and cannot be the be-all-end-all
Then you understand why it can't be considered.
One of the many reasons why you're able to sit there in your comfy chair and type on the internet is that you haven't been slapped with an unfair trial that's using unfair methods to unfairly throw you in prison. It sucks that Updyke is such a fuck-up and is causing issues for the justice department, but I still say it's amazing that we have a justice system that makes damn sure a white male gets a fair trial.
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I'm ready for this to be over and gone. Pointless now.
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I know this will drive the lawyers crazy at my ignorance, but this is a problem with our legal system.
So because this fucking idiot has confessed three times now on public record (once on the Finebaum show, once to Track'Em Tigers, or whoever that was that pranked him, and once to the Plainsman), that means he can't get a fair trial? First of all, his stupid ass did this to himself. Secondly, an admission of guilt should absolutely be considered in a criminal trial. I don't give a fuck what the books say. I understand that there are situations where dumbshits will confess to crimes they didn't commit when under extreme duress, and cannot be the be-all-end-all, but it should be considered. And this is not one of those situations, anyway. The dumbshit bragged about it on a national radio show, and then told the fucking newspaper. Because he did this we're talking mistrial? That's justice? I can maybe understand saying the "prank" should be stricken from the record, but still, I feel like whether the fucker knew he was being recorded or not, a confession's a confession, and it not only should affect the trial, but sure as shit shouldn't taint it to the point that it has to be moved or God-forbid voided due to a mistrial...
If the jurors swear that they can be objective, that seals the deal for me. That's a fair trial. Its only not fair if there is a bias somewhere. Until I see one, I don't see an unfair trial.
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I'm ready for this to be over and gone. Pointless now.
It's not pointless. I think this actually has large implications for this entire state. We are plagued with a football rivalry that won't quit - it won't let up. If Updyke doesn't get a harsh punishment, how many more senseless acts will we see carried out by both sides?
"They're just tress. It's just an eagle. It's just a lawn in front of a red building."
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It's not pointless. I think this actually has large implications for this entire state. We are plagued with a football rivalry that won't quit - it won't let up. If Updyke doesn't get a harsh punishment, how many more senseless acts will we see carried out by both sides?
"They're just tress. It's just an eagle. It's just a lawn in front of a red building."
All the more reason to move Auburn to the East, Mizzou to the West, and keep LSU and MSU as perm. West games. Screw the West Vance Pachyderms. Georgia is our rival and I'd enjoy Florida and Tennessee year in and year out. Plus whipping Spurriers cocks is an Auburn tradition.
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but I still say it's amazing that we have a justice system that makes damn sure a white male gets a fair trial.
+1
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Then you understand why it can't be considered.
One of the many reasons why you're able to sit there in your comfy chair and type on the internet is that you haven't been slapped with an unfair trial that's using unfair methods to unfairly throw you in prison. It sucks that Updyke is such a fuck-up and is causing issues for the justice department, but I still say it's amazing that we have a justice system that makes damn sure a white male gets a fair trial.
As I said in the rest of my post though, this is not one of those situations.
There was absolutely no coercion involved in the first and most recent confessions. Of the three, though, it's especially insane to me that the confession to the Plainsman is considered to be tainting the trial. The reporter didn't even ask him. He just offered that information out of the blue like the idiot that he is.
If the dude can't talk for 5 minutes without admitting he did it, then he probably fucking did it.
When he called a radio show to brag about poisoning the Toomer's Oaks before anyone knew they were poisoned, then he probably did it.
Common sense is removed from the court systems, and it ends up being counterproductive.
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As I said in the rest of my post though, this is not one of those situations.
There was absolutely no coercion involved in the first and most recent confessions. Of the three, though, it's especially insane to me that the confession to the Plainsman is considered to be tainting the trial. The reporter didn't even ask him. He just offered that information out of the blue like the idiot that he is.
If the dude can't talk for 5 minutes without admitting he did it, then he probably fucking did it.
When he called a radio show to brag about poisoning the Toomer's Oaks before anyone knew they were poisoned, then he probably did it.
Common sense is removed from the court systems, and it ends up being counterproductive.
Would you be even more angry if they had to have a second trail after a verdict was reached in the first one? Or if he is set free due to some issue with the Jury? That is what the judge is trying to avoid. Makes sense to me.
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Question: How do we know Harvey's lawyer didn't tell him to confess to the newspaper knowing this would happen? Hoping for a mistrial, or at least a change of venue?
It's not hard to see that this type of shit could easily be exploited.
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Question: How do we know Harvey's lawyer didn't tell him to confess to the newspaper knowing this would happen? Hoping for a mistrial, or at least a change of venue?
It's not hard to see that this type of shoot could easily be exploited.
That's an interesting point but it's a little too (http://www.blackphoenixalchemylab.com/blackheli.gif) for me to swallow. That's an awful risk to take.
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That's an interesting point but it's a little too (http://www.blackphoenixalchemylab.com/blackheli.gif) for me to swallow. That's an awful risk to take.
Don't forget ol' Harvey is an ex-cop, and as hard as it may be to believe, he may have some knowledge of how the court system works.
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Don't forget ol' Harvey is an ex-cop, and as hard as it may be to believe, he may have some knowledge of how the court system works.
It's like I was laughing aloud at the thought you would be the next to reply after the black helicopter was posted, but then you went and did it.
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JR4AU belligerently wrong again:
Are you saying those are my quotes?
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Are you saying those are my quotes?
Chad, your response??
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Chad, your response??
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A googling of them lead me to scout.com and someone saying Woodbammer said those. So, apparently Chad is saying I was wrong about Harvey getting a change of venue, and was belligerent about it. I'd like him to dig up a quote of me saying Harvey wouldn't get a change of venue.
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Also, the primary reported reason for this is the article by the Plainsman THIS WEEK which is the reason they were striking a jury in Lee County UNTIL that happened.
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A googling of them lead me to scout.com and someone saying Woodbammer said those. So, apparently Chad is saying I was wrong about Harvey getting a change of venue, and was belligerent about it. I'd like him to dig up a quote of me saying Harvey wouldn't get a change of venue.
Do you have anything to say to this Chad?
It's a simple question Chad - would you eat the moon if it were made of cheese? Don't jerk him around Chad.
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Also, Chad, so you don't go make a belligerent fool of yourself, again, the Lee Co. court had already previously denied a motion for change of venue, that ruling was appealed, and upheld. The trial week confession certainly changed things. I didn't think the judge would give him a change of venue for his own stupidity though, so I may have been wrong there, but I don't think I was belligerent about it either.
Either way, go fuck yourself.
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I just have one thing to say, fellas. I feel a lot of love in here today.
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Also, Chad, so you don't go make a belligerent fool of yourself, again, the Lee Co. court had already previously denied a motion for change of venue, that ruling was appealed, and upheld. The trial week confession certainly changed things. I didn't think the judge would give him a change of venue for his own stupidity though, so I may have been wrong there, but I don't think I was belligerent about it either.
Either way, go fuck yourself.
I'm curious to find out if Chadskins agrees with this assessment. :thumsup:
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It's like I was laughing aloud at the thought you would be the next to reply after the black helicopter was posted, but then you went and did it.
So, I'm predictable. So, sue me. LOL. I was in a mad rush to post after the black helo-pic.
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I just have one thing to say, fellas. I feel a lot of love in here today.
I think there's chemistry here. Can you feel it?
I felt it.
Alright Janice
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I think there's chemistry here. Can you feel it?
I felt it.
Alright Janice
I guess we ran out of movies so we've moved to commercials? Tell me if I am wrong.
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I guess we ran out of movies so we've moved to commercials? Tell me if I am wrong.
:thumsup:
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I guess we ran out of movies so we've moved to commercials? Tell me if I am wrong.
No, Colonel Sanders...you're wrong!
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-15 to all of you.
You're an Armadillo, but not like the others.
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-15 to all of you.
You're an Armadillo, but not like the others.
You're just being belligerently wrong Buzz.
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Also, the primary reported reason for this is the article by the Plainsman THIS WEEK which is the reason they were striking a jury in Lee County UNTIL that happened.
Yup...
He's trying to draw out the trail as much as possible, now they've asked the journalist from the Plainsman to take the stand and answer some questions (taking time away from the actual case). The Judge also ordered a â€gag order†on any involved in the case...now they're going to have to comb through the jury pool again, due to that article. Btw, updyke isn't going to be quiet about the trail, he'll keep talking. What's the worse that could happen.
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Yup...
Skreets have spoken. Lock the bitch down!
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-15 to all of you.
You're an Armadillo, but not like the others.
Get up, Wally, people are watching. Not many... but they're watching.
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He's trying to draw out the trail as much as possible, now they've asked the journalist from the Plainsman to take the stand and answer some questions (taking time away from the actual case). The Judge also ordered a â€gag order†on any involved in the case...now they're going to have to comb through the jury pool again, due to that article. Btw, updyke isn't going to be quiet about the trail, he'll keep talking. What's the worse that could happen.
Talk to a juror during the trial, if the trial ever happens.
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I think there's chemistry here. Can you feel it?
I felt it.
Alright Janice
:rofl:
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Get up, Wally, people are watching. Not many... but they're watching.
I hope you stay tuned as the Texas State marching band does its salute to gun racks and open beverage containers; which is only legal in Texas
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Get up, Wally, people are watching. Not many... but they're watching.
Birthday boy gets it. +100
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A googling of them lead me to scout.com and someone saying Woodbammer said those. So, apparently Chad is saying I was wrong about Harvey getting a change of venue, and was belligerent about it. I'd like him to dig up a quote of me saying Harvey wouldn't get a change of venue.
National coverage isn't even an issue to consider.
Two things: Can the defendant show ACTUAL prejudice against him on the part o of the jurors, or a showing where there is already presumed prejudice resulting from a saturation of PREJUDICIAL pretrial publicity that no impartial jury can be selected. Can't prove #1 until it's time for trial. I don't think this case has had any more than normal prejudicial news coverage.
Neither of those prongs can be proved at this point, and I doubt that they can at all. Extensive pretrial publicity alone isn't enough to constitute grounds for a change of venue. Jurors are not required to have no knowledge of the case, nor are they required to not have an opinion of the case.
The publicity itself, has been, for the large part, simply factual in nature, and not prejudicial to the defendant here. In Updyke's case, it has been BUT largely by his own doing! You can't create the prejudice yourself then expect a change of venue.
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Owned by the quote function...in a good way!
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JR sucks it hard
Your witness JR? :poke:
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Birthday boy gets it. +100
I forgot. You're a genius. That's why you have a bigger whistle than I do.
I love it when you post. I've been waiting to see if that chick can get into her pants for a while now.
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Wow, I was belligerent there! I see what you mean!
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Wow, I was belligerent there! I see what you mean!
Well, that was more from your posts leading up to that one.
Big fucking deal legal genius. She can ask for anything, there's no cause to have this venue changed.
You watch too much TV, and listen to too many people like yourself grouse about lawyers and law out of sheer ignorance.
Fact is, contrary to what CCT believes, changes of venue are rare, and being overturned on appeal for failure to grant one is even more rare. One problem is, CCT believes that everybody thinks like him, or they're a crack head, and so, since he can't put aside his preconceived notions, he thinks nobody else can either. There's lots of rational, thinking, intelligent people out there willing to hear the facts, and law, and make a decision based on that.
So, do you run your entire life making decisions based on one anecdotal incident that is contrary to the overwhelming majority of cases? One case? From SC? That's what you got? Srsly? What you post is more clear evidence that your hatred and contempt for lawyers, law, and the system is grounded in the anomalies, and not the realities.
I'm sitting here browsing through dozens of ALABAMA cases where a Motion for CoV was denied, a conviction had, and upheld by the appellate courts.
LOL, u r funny. As Wes stated...possible, but unfucking likely. I stated a legal opinion. Your response there is weak. Very weak. And you're starting to head off to childish land.
Oh, and as I pointed out last week, you were wrong about Leondard's attorney seeking a change of venue too (http://www2.oanow.com/news/2012/jun/14/leonard-attorney-will-ask-change-venue-ar-3975159/).
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Well, that was more from your posts leading up to that one.
Oh, and as I pointed out last week, you were wrong about Leondard's attorney seeking a change of venue too (http://www2.oanow.com/news/2012/jun/14/leonard-attorney-will-ask-change-venue-ar-3975159/).
No, I wasn't you stupid fuck. I said she'd move to change venue, or agreed with someone who said she would!
Gawddamn how many times have you whacked off today at the prospect that you might find that I was wrong about something?
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Also from that same thread:
I can. Updyke is far more likely to get a change of venue than Leonard.
You see Chad, things are fluid. I wouldnt have been surprised if the first motion to change venue had been granted in Updyke's case! But he, allegedly, popped off his mouth to a report THIS week while they struck a jury. I didn't the judge would reward that, but he may.
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No, I wasn't you stupid fuck. I said she'd move to change venue, or agreed with someone who said she would!
Gawddamn how many times have you whacked off today at the prospect that you might find that I was wrong about something?
Belligerently wrong.
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Belligerently wrong.
Belligerently stupid, and a liar to boot. ^^^
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Belligerently stupid, and a liar to boot. ^^^
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v343/Chizad-Lappy/UBelligerent.jpg)
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You two need to meet up and fuck the anger out of each other. :facepalm:
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You two need to meet up and fuck the anger out of each other. :facepalm:
I would like to fuck the anger out of the slut in your avatar.
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You two need to meet up and fuck the anger out of each other. :facepalm:
I'm joining late. What's the score?
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Stop it!
Here is something for both of you.
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I would like to fuck the anger out of the slut in your avatar.
Hey hey hey! She's not a slut. She's a whore. Just want to keep you honest.
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(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v343/Chizad-Lappy/UBelligerent.jpg)
In his defense, he said COV was unlikely before the Plainsman gaffe. Nobody saw that coming.
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Hey hey hey! She's not a slut. She's a whore. Just want to keep you honest.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9uevqCbL54
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I think the judge did the right thing here. This dumb bastard is going to get convicted. I think we all know that. He's just not going to have a leg to stand on when it happens if he tries to claim the jury or judge was biased, etc. This whole supposed admission thing to the newspaper would have probably been the crown jewel of the defense's argument. Before that though, the judge really had no reason to grant a change in venue. Really, I'm not so sure he really had to even now. But I think he knows fucktard is done either way, and didn't want to give any wiggle room. Just my uneducated opinion.
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Obviously ol' Harv is illiterate. No, moronic. Miranda extends outside of the courtroom, so the statement holds true that "anything you say (both in and out of the courtroom) can be used against you in a court of law",.
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Obviously ol' Harv is illiterate. No, moronic. Miranda extends outside of the courtroom, so the statement holds true that "anything you say (both in and out of the courtroom) can be used against you in a court of law",.
Not to mention the fact he's had one lawyer quit him because, as bad as he wanted the publicity, he wasn't willing to put up with Harvey to get it.
It also illustrates what case law says...that when the prejudicial pretrial pub occurs is as important as what it is or how much it is. This isn't the first "public and publicized admission" by Updyke after all.