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Pat Dye Field => War Damn Eagle => Topic started by: JR4AU on May 23, 2011, 09:03:44 AM
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State your reasons for your opinion. This question came up in my mind with the "Cam question" thread and the mention of what Bo still does for Auburn. However, Id like you to just consider the question as if you're voting based on how much each advanced Auburn and Auburn Football during their playing days.
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There was an article posted on here a few months back about how Auburn has been better than Alabama since Pat Dye was hired in '81. The article could have been written about how Auburn has been better than Alabama since Bo arrived in '82.
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There was an article posted on here a few months back about how Auburn has been better than Alabama since Pat Dye was hired in '81. The article could have been written about how Auburn has been better than Alabama since Bo arrived in '82.
This.
Bo was part of the return of Auburn football. Cam simply helped take the next step.
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Bo....
And not even close.
There is Bo and Dye. And then there is everyone else vying for that next spot. They did something for our school and fb program no one else has done. For anyone born in the 80's or later, I can see why they would put Cam first. Although they are still wrong.
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Bo made Auburn relevant after a decade of wandering in the desert.
The years between the 1972 Amazins and the 1982 Bo-led team that broke Alabama's stranglehold (and it's stayed broken since) were a long gray era.
There was some great individual talent: James Brooks, Joe Cribbs, William Andrews, Phil Gargis, Reese McIntyre, Rob Spivey, Rick Neel, Mitzi Jackson, Charlie Trotman, Byron Franklin....
But those teams never got it together. The team with Brooks, Cribbs and Andrews all on the roster? 6-4-1.
I still remember looking at the Athlon in 1975 and seeing a schedule that included Memphis, Baylor, Virginia Tech, Georgia Tech, Florida State, Mississippi State and Kentucky. It was Shug's last season and Auburn had gone 10-2 the year before. We'd pushed Alabama to the limit, losing 17-13. I made myself crazy thinking we had a shot to win it all. Consumed me. Games were spaced out well and if we could get over the Bama hump, there might be a NC in the air. AU went 3-6-2. Lost to Memphis State. Tied Baylor. Lost to Virginia Tech. Tied MSU. Lost to Tennessee, Georgia, Florida, Bama. Shovel to the face.
If you didn't live it, you have no idea how utterly miserable and spirit shaking that period of time actually was.
3-6-1,
4-7,
5-6,
6-4-1,
8-3,
5-6,
5-6 (Dye's first year)
Two years later, Auburn was 11-1 and should have been national champions. Why? Dye and Bo -- and Little Train and a hell of a defense.
Since Dye got there in 1981, Auburn's had five losing seasons (including his first). Five in 30 years? Coach was fired at the end of three of those four.
Auburn's had almost as many undefeated seasons (three) as losing seasons over that span.
Bo Jackson started that. He made Auburn football relevant. He made it cool. Without Bo? We're not having this discussion.
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Bo made Auburn relevant after a decade of wandering in the desert.
The years between the 1972 Amazins and the 1982 Bo-led team that broke Alabama's stranglehold (and it's stayed broken since) were a long gray era.
There was some great individual talent: James Brooks, Joe Cribbs, William Andrews, Phil Gargis, Reese McIntyre, Rob Spivey, Rick Neel, Mitzi Jackson, Charlie Trotman, Byron Franklin....
But those teams never got it together. The team with Brooks, Cribbs and Andrews all on the roster? 6-4-1.
I still remember looking at the Athlon in 1975 and seeing a schedule that included Memphis, Baylor, Virginia Tech, Georgia Tech, Florida State, Mississippi State and Kentucky. It was Shug's last season and Auburn had gone 10-2 the year before. We'd pushed Alabama to the limit, losing 17-13. I made myself crazy thinking we had a shot to win it all. Consumed me. Games were spaced out well and if we could get over the Bama hump, there might be a NC in the air. AU went 3-6-2. Lost to Memphis State. Tied Baylor. Lost to Virginia Tech. Tied MSU. Lost to Tennessee, Georgia, Florida, Bama. Shovel to the face.
If you didn't live it, you have no idea how utterly miserable and spirit shaking that period of time actually was.
3-6-1,
4-7,
5-6,
6-4-1,
8-3,
5-6,
5-6 (Dye's first year)
Two years later, Auburn was 11-1 and should have been national champions. Why? Dye and Bo -- and Little Train and a hell of a defense.
Since Dye got there in 1981, Auburn's had five losing seasons (including his first). Five in 30 years? Coach was fired at the end of three of those four.
Auburn's had almost as many undefeated seasons (three) as losing seasons over that span.
Bo Jackson started that. He made Auburn football relevant. He made it cool. Without Bo? We're not having this discussion.
Zak Lee.
Without Bo, there would be no Cam. We'd be Ole Miss by now.
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Zak Lee.
Without Bo, there would be no Cam. We'd be Ole Miss by now.
Not that bad. Mississippi State maybe.
Bama is Ole Miss.
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Bo. Plain and simple. Just a bad-ass on so many levels and he put Auburn on the map.
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OK - so I am the only one who voted Cam.
Cam got the Egg.
It's like Bo is Moses - he lead us out of Eqypt, parted the Red Tide and gave us the right to not have to covet against those inbred fucktards anymore. But God only let Moses see the promised land - He never let him enter it.
Cam took us there.
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OK - so I am the only one who voted Cam.
Cam got the Egg.
It's like Bo is Moses - he lead us out of Eqypt, parted the Red Tide and gave us the right to not have to covet against those inbred fucktards anymore. But God only let Moses see the promised land - He never let him enter it.
Cam took us there.
So Cam is Jesus?
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OK - so I am the only one who voted Cam.
Cam got the Egg.
It's like Bo is Moses - he lead us out of Eqypt, parted the Red Tide and gave us the right to not have to covet against those inbred efftards anymore. But God only let Moses see the promised land - He never let him enter it.
Cam took us there.
Well, the Jews think more highly of Moses than of Joshua too.
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Bo. Plain and simple. Just a bad-ass on so many levels and he put Auburn on the map.
Now hold on just a minute.
We were on the map before. As much or more on the map as Alabama was, despite the infernal "history" honking you fucksticks are apt to bellow.
But Bryant was a drinking, cheating, lying, no-good, sack of shit tornado that ripped a hole through our program.
WE were the power when he got there. To his credit, he turned that around and kept it turned for most of his 25 years. The methods by which he did so are questionable at best. He proved that sometimes the son-of-a-bitch will triumph over good and decent men -- true heroes -- who have their priorities straight. But that triumph is temporary. Where ever Bryant is now, I bet he gets to watch the 1972 Auburn game on an endless loop.
I realize you can't discount Bryant's contributions. But it's fair to say that without him, Alabama has been owned by Auburn for all of recorded history. Bryant is the beginning and end of your myth of dominance, the alpha and omega of your false sense of superiority, the sum total of your misplaced arrogance.
Bo -- and Dye -- punctured that air of invincibility. They didn't put us on the map, they reminded us that the map belonged to us anyway and we took it back.
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Bo made Auburn relevant after a decade of wandering in the desert.
The years between the 1972 Amazins and the 1982 Bo-led team that broke Alabama's stranglehold (and it's stayed broken since) were a long gray era.
There was some great individual talent: James Brooks, Joe Cribbs, William Andrews, Phil Gargis, Reese McIntyre, Rob Spivey, Rick Neel, Mitzi Jackson, Charlie Trotman, Byron Franklin....
But those teams never got it together. The team with Brooks, Cribbs and Andrews all on the roster? 6-4-1.
I still remember looking at the Athlon in 1975 and seeing a schedule that included Memphis, Baylor, Virginia Tech, Georgia Tech, Florida State, Mississippi State and Kentucky. It was Shug's last season and Auburn had gone 10-2 the year before. We'd pushed Alabama to the limit, losing 17-13. I made myself crazy thinking we had a shot to win it all. Consumed me. Games were spaced out well and if we could get over the Bama hump, there might be a NC in the air. AU went 3-6-2. Lost to Memphis State. Tied Baylor. Lost to Virginia Tech. Tied MSU. Lost to Tennessee, Georgia, Florida, Bama. Shovel to the face.
If you didn't live it, you have no idea how utterly miserable and spirit shaking that period of time actually was.
3-6-1,
4-7,
5-6,
6-4-1,
8-3,
5-6,
5-6 (Dye's first year)
Two years later, Auburn was 11-1 and should have been national champions. Why? Dye and Bo -- and Little Train and a hell of a defense.
Since Dye got there in 1981, Auburn's had five losing seasons (including his first). Five in 30 years? Coach was fired at the end of three of those four.
Auburn's had almost as many undefeated seasons (three) as losing seasons over that span.
Bo Jackson started that. He made Auburn football relevant. He made it cool. Without Bo? We're not having this discussion.
Proud to see rrsponses like this. Cam was a huge part of a long overdue NC team, but Auburn went undefeated othdr times with less talented players. AU had no control over the polls. A NC was the pinnacle atop the foundation laid by Bo and Dye.
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Right now, I'd go with Bo by a good bit. However, I'd like to see how time and a little history treats Cam's stint/contribution at Auburn. Who knows right now? Will Newton come back and make tons of appearances? Will he pimp AU all through his career? Will he become a huge success both on the field and commercially? Will he be thought of as one of the greatest to play the college game later on in polls and roundtable discussions? I realize a lot of that doesn't have a direct affect on Auburn but it may change how we view him in the years to come.
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It's like Bo is Moses - he lead us out of Eqypt, parted the Red Tide and gave us the right to not have to covet against those inbred fucktards anymore. But God only let Moses see the promised land - He never let him enter it.
Cam took us there.
You destroyed your own logic with this analogy.
Without Moses who cares about the promised land? Without Moses slaves are still slaves toiling under the Pharaoh's sun.
Who's more important in your analogy? Moses or the guy whose name we forget unless we just watched the Ten Commandments?
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Now hold on just a minute.
We were on the map before. As much or more on the map as Alabama was, despite the infernal "history" honking you fucksticks are apt to bellow.
But Bryant was a drinking, cheating, lying, no-good, sack of shit tornado that ripped a hole through our program.
WE were the power when he got there. To his credit, he turned that around and kept it turned for most of his 25 years. The methods by which he did so are questionable at best. He proved that sometimes the son-of-a-bitch will triumph over good and decent men -- true heroes -- who have their priorities straight. But that triumph is temporary. Where ever Bryant is now, I bet he gets to watch the 1972 Auburn game on an endless loop.
I realize you can't discount Bryant's contributions. But it's fair to say that without him, Alabama has been owned by Auburn for all of recorded history. Bryant is the beginning and end of your myth of dominance, the alpha and omega of your false sense of superiority, the sum total of your misplaced arrogance.
Bo -- and Dye -- punctured that air of invincibility. They didn't put us on the map, they reminded us that the map belonged to us anyway and we took it back.
Knocked that junk ball out of the fucking park! DEEP!
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Knocked that junk ball out of the fucking park! DEEP!
It's too high.
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Bo. Plain and simple. Just a bad-ass on so many levels and he put Auburn on the map.
Wrong again Bammer
(http://www.tigersx.com/images/1864map.jpg)
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Wrong again Bammer
(http://www.tigersx.com/images/1864map.jpg)
This antique map (Georgia and Alabama 1864 Mitchell P...) and atlas (Georgia and Alabama 1864 Mitchell Plate) are part of the Historic Map Works, Residential Genealogyâ„¢ historical map collection, the largest digital collection of rare, ancient, old, historical, cadastral and antiquarian maps of its type.
:pwnd: By Mr. Atlas.
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You destroyed your own logic with this analogy.
Without Moses who cares about the promised land? Without Moses slaves are still slaves toiling under the Pharaoh's sun.
Who's more important in your analogy? Moses or the guy whose name we forget unless we just watched the Ten Commandments?
I knew who it was, and I've never seen the 15, I mean 10 Commandments.
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Now hold on just a minute.
We were on the map before. As much or more on the map as Alabama was, despite the infernal "history" honking you effsticks are apt to bellow.
But Bryant was a drinking, cheating, lying, no-good, sack of poop tornado that ripped a hole through our program.
WE were the power when he got there. To his credit, he turned that around and kept it turned for most of his 25 years. The methods by which he did so are questionable at best. He proved that sometimes the son-of-a-bitch will triumph over good and decent men -- true heroes -- who have their priorities straight. But that triumph is temporary. Where ever Bryant is now, I bet he gets to watch the 1972 Auburn game on an endless loop.
I realize you can't discount Bryant's contributions. But it's fair to say that without him, Alabama has been owned by Auburn for all of recorded history. Bryant is the beginning and end of your myth of dominance, the alpha and omega of your false sense of superiority, the sum total of your misplaced arrogance.
Bo -- and Dye -- punctured that air of invincibility. They didn't put us on the map, they reminded us that the map belonged to us anyway and we took it back.
WOW where did that come from. Bo Jackson is a bad-ass turns into eff bama. To say any more is pointless.
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WOW where did that come from. Bo Jackson is a bad-ass turns into eff bama. To say any more is pointless.
You said he put us on the map. Bullshit. It was our map. Your stupid Barbosa just stole it for a little while and wrote his name on it with liquid paper.
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Right now, I'd go with Bo by a good bit. However, I'd like to see how time and a little history treats Cam's stint/contribution at Auburn. Who knows right now? Will Newton come back and make tons of appearances? Will he pimp AU all through his career? Will he become a huge success both on the field and commercially? Will he be thought of as one of the greatest to play the college game later on in polls and roundtable discussions? I realize a lot of that doesn't have a direct affect on Auburn but it may change how we view him in the years to come.
This is as much it as anything. Ask me again in 20 years which one had more of an impact on Auburn, and if Cam does not show himself as an Auburn man, then maybe I change my opinion.
But right now, if you say Bo Jackson, everyone knows Bo, and all his accomplishments, and about his NFL/MLB careers... but not many people outside the SEC can tell you who he played for. Earlier in the season last year, when Cam was first making a name for himself, someone I work with made a comment about the best player AU has ever had. I corrected him "Second to Bo." And he said "I thought Bo Jackson played at Georgia. I had no idea he went to Auburn.."
EVERYBODY knows who Cam played for. And he won the national Championship for Auburn. AUBURN.
So to answer the question honestly, it has to be Cam. From our insider perspective, yes, Bo IS Auburn - but not in the eyes of anyone who is not intimately familiar with the Auburn program or is a long time fan of SEC football.
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EVERYBODY knows who Cam played for. And he won the national Championship for Auburn. AUBURN.
Yep. I was at the gas station in Illinois yesterday, wearing an Auburn hat, and the clerk there asked how Cam was going to be for the Panthers.
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Yep. I was at the gas station in Illinois yesterday, wearing an Auburn hat, and the clerk there asked how Cam was going to be for the Panthers.
I'll go so far as to say that Auburn's success with Dye and Bo has enabled the entire area to thrive. I seriously doubt the city would expand as it has without them leaving their mark. My choice without pause is Bo however I think Cam will be much more visable than Bo as an ambassador.
Off subject...I said as much for Bobby Lowder not two weeks ago and like him or not, he is the business leader that has had the greatest affect on Auburn.
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Yep. I was at the gas station in Illinois yesterday, wearing an Auburn hat, and the clerk there asked how Cam was going to be for the Panthers.
Not shocking that someone in Illinois would recognize the logo of the college the current Heisman winner attended.
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And he said "I thought Bo Jackson played at Georgia. I had no idea he went to Auburn.."
You should have killed him on the spot.
For the record, everybody TODAY knows who Cam played for -- and many as much for infamy as success. In the 80s and 90s everybody knew who Bo played for, too.
Time has a way of graying memories.
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You should have killed him on the spot.
For the record, everybody TODAY knows who Cam played for -- and many as much for infamy as success. In the 80s and 90s everybody knew who Bo played for, too.
Time has a way of graying memories.
Like saying allbarn owned the map :poke: