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Pat Dye Field => War Damn Eagle => Topic started by: jmar on December 13, 2015, 07:40:16 AM
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Why?
The bowl game and practices are here.
We failed to retain TRob and whiffed on Kelly.
Perception nationwide is that Malzahn is a lame duck much like Sumlin.
Garner and Thompson (as was TRob) are ace recruiters and retaining the current commits is all important.
Just let Thompson audition against a potent offense, maybe the players he has recruited and coached up respond. This saves crazy guaranteed contract talk, gives us some insight as to his ability, limits hurt feelings thus preserving much needed talent with or without Malzahn.
Nothing against Kelly but they clean up on talent at FSU.
Best case scenario is we perform well enough in the bowl game to win, keep the class intact and go big name hunting after signing period in February if Thompson ain't the answer.
We can only hope Malzahn will fix this offense. Our defense, even with Muschamp was mostly good enough (except v. LSU) to win had the offense (QB play/play calling) been as expected.
Just my take.
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^^Just because he's tetched doesn't mean he's not right, sometimes.
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^^Just because he's tetched doesn't mean he's not right, sometimes.
I'm only partially damaged WT.
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I wouldn't mind Coach Thompson as DC. Let's see how his D looks against a really good QB.
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I wouldn't mind Coach Thompson as DC. Let's see how his D looks against a really good QB.
I still think Kelley will be the next DC and won't be released to the public until after the FSU bowl game. Until then, I am curious to see how Thompson does.
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I still think Kelley will be the next DC and won't be released to the public until after the FSU bowl game. Until then, I am curious to see how Thompson does.
Brandon marshmallow done TOLD you he laughed in auburn's face.
And he done pestered recruits to see how rhey feel about it.
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Per Marcello: 1st year DC Tom Allen from South Florida has been included in our far reaching search.
WHO?
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I was trying to hold off on giving you the news, but since you are all going nuts trying to figure out just what JJ is doing, I'll let you all in on the big secret.
I have been hired as the next DC. The announcement hasn't been made yet, because I am still trying to put my staff together. On a completely unrelated note, Jummy...why won't you return my calls?
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#cheepcheepchampionship
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The stupid bastards apparently think it's a better choice to consider Allen, a proponent of the 4-2-5 (spur) than to continue with the system Muschamp ran.
#nomoupheaval
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Tom Allen is actually pretty solid. He took USF from bottom of the pack on D to Top 40.
Paul Rhoades came from Pitt, and Gene Chizik came from UCF with very similar accolades. Very solid, but under the radar coaches. Maybe this is the route we need to go this time around. The splash name will always be looking to leave for a HC gig. At this moment, we just need a solid coach and some stability. No reason to be paying a guy who has been a DC for 2 years at a major D1 school over 1 mill a year.
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Tom Allen is actually pretty solid. He took USF from bottom of the pack on D to Top 40.
Paul Rhoades came from Pitt, and Gene Chizik came from UCF with very similar accolades. Very solid, but under the radar coaches. Maybe this is the route we need to go this time around.
#diamondintherough
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Tom Allen is actually pretty solid. He took USF from bottom of the pack on D to Top 40.
Paul Rhoades came from Pitt, and Gene Chizik came from UCF with very similar accolades. Very solid, but under the radar coaches. Maybe this is the route we need to go this time around. The splash name will always be looking to leave for a HC gig. At this moment, we just need a solid coach and some stability. No reason to be paying a guy who has been a DC for 2 years at a major D1 school over 1 mill a year.
Yes but he runs the same system as EJ.
We stand to lose Adams and Lawson all three starting LBs, Lawrence and Countess. That's quite a hit.
This doesn't look like stability.
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Yes but he runs the same system as EJ.
We stand to lose Adams and Lawson all three starting LBs, Lawrence and Countess. That's quite a hit.
This doesn't look like stability.
If you are DB heavy and LB thin...isnt that what you would want to run?
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If you are DB heavy and LB thin...isnt that what you would want to run?
We never learned how to run EJ's D. We constantly had safeties out of position and our LBs couldn't support the run.
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We never learned how to run EJ's D. We constantly had safeties out of position and our LBs couldn't support the run.
I think that has a little to do with coaching. Just a little. Would you have gotten motivated to knock someone in the head from EJ? Im also not a fan of Booth Coordinators althogh Chiz seems to do ok with it. Not sure what Allen is.
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I think that has a little to do with coaching. Just a little. Would you have gotten motivated to knock someone in the head from EJ? Im also not a fan of Booth Coordinators althogh Chiz seems to do ok with it. Not sure what Allen is.
I'm disappointed there's a chance we get a one year DC with a new system over Thompson who could build off of this season.
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Paul Rhoades came from Pitt, and Gene Chizik came from UCF with very similar accolades. Very solid, but under the radar coaches. Maybe this is the route we need to go this time around. The splash name will always be looking to leave for a HC gig. At this moment, we just need a solid coach and some stability. No reason to be paying a guy who has been a DC for 2 years at a major D1 school over 1 mill a year.
A billion times this.
Just let Gus run the program and get a solid coach in. Recruiting is important, yes, but coaching is more important.
We will never win championships with a top defense as long as Gus is the coach. It has to come from his offensive production. So let Gus put all of his resources into fixing the offense and bring in a consistent defensive coordinator who can stay for a few years.
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A billion times this.
Just let Gus run the program and get a solid coach in. Recruiting is important, yes, but coaching is more important.
We will never win championships with a top defense as long as Gus is the coach. It has to come from his offensive production. So let Gus put all of his resources into fixing the offense and bring in a consistent defensive coordinator who can stay for a few years.
Can't say I disagree with this....at all. Auburn needs stability on D and let Gus do his thang on offense. I like it.
I am curious as to how many folks here would be against Thompson becoming DC if he has a good showing for the bowl game.
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We had the best we could get in Muschamp-actually showed signs of improving toward the end of the season.
But you guys are okay with a first year DC that runs a 4-2-5 over Thompson who is very knowledgeable of what we run now?
And with only 5 starters returning?
If you are a lame duck coach and the lives and fortunes of everybody involved is depending on this choice, why would you not get the very best DC possible as you did with Muschamp?
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I'm not totally against trying Thompson. But, it is taking a significant risk in more ways than one.
There's baggage and he's more of a cowboy than a soldier. Sometimes that can pay off but it's definitely more risk.
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I'm not totally against trying Thompson. But, it is taking a significant risk in more ways than one.
There's baggage and he's more of a cowboy than a soldier. Sometimes that can pay off but it's definitely more risk.
Well giddyup!
Jake Holland understood EJ's defense. Nobody else seemed to have a clue. We got torched regularly.
You must stop the run first in this league. There are only a few potent passing games in the SEC.
I'm not against hiring the guy but there is no more risk with Thompson running what we know and have practiced over a one year guy teaching something totally new.
Van Gorder needed a year to install and we didn't have the patience to wait another season.
And now we do?
Talk about risky!
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Can't say I disagree with this....at all. Auburn needs stability on D and let Gus do his thang on offense. I like it.
I am curious as to how many folks here would be against Thompson becoming DC if he has a good showing for the bowl game.
That would require Gus waiting until the bowl game to see, and then hire. You really think thats gonna happen?
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That would require Gus waiting until the bowl game to see, and then hire. You really think thats gonna happen?
Part of me does, yes. The bowl game is 2 weeks away. So, I would imagine there is a great deal of attention on preparing for that. Also, Thompson is the main recruiter for pretty much all the top commits at this point so there may not be much of a hurry to hire a new DC. I certainly think Thompson as just as qualified as many of the other names being mentioned.
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Part of me does, yes. The bowl game is 2 weeks away. So, I would imagine there is a great deal of attention on preparing for that. Also, Thompson is the main recruiter for pretty much all the top commits at this point so there may not be much of a hurry to hire a new DC. I certainly think Thompson as just as qualified as many of the other names being mentioned.
He is telling recruits he will have a DC in place by Wed. What that exactly means is beyond me. Does he mean Interim, because that wouldn't make much sense. Why would a recruit care.
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He is telling recruits he will have a DC in place by Wed. What that exactly means is beyond me. Does he mean Interim, because that wouldn't make much sense. Why would a recruit care.
Well, it sure had been quiet then. Whether it be Allen, Thompson or whomever, there needs to be some fn stability with Auburns defense. I will also say this, if Thompson is not the man then whoever this new guy is best keep Thompson on staff if they want to keep this current cruitn class together.
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We had the best we could get in Muschamp-actually showed signs of improving toward the end of the season.
But you guys are okay with a first year DC that runs a 4-2-5 over Thompson who is very knowledgeable of what we run now?
And with only 5 starters returning?
If you are a lame duck coach and the lives and fortunes of everybody involved is depending on this choice, why would you not get the very best DC possible as you did with Muschamp?
BTW our defense improved when Carl Lawson returned...just saying.
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What would make Allen a better choice than Thompson? Does that one year as a DC under his belt make that much more qualified? Can't say that it does. Thompson has been groomed by Saban in the SEC facing top tier talent along with other stops. Whether we like it or not, Saban has a good track record with such. All of this and the fact Thompson is the main recruiter for most of Auburns defensive targets makes me think Thompson would be more qualified for the AU position.
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BTW our defense improved when Carl Lawson returned...just saying.
So you're saying Carl Lawson for DC?
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So you're saying Carl Lawson for DC?
Yes!
In reality though is what Muschamp did for us really that apparent? or was it the return of our veteran player that was the key?
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Yes!
In reality though is what Muschamp did for us really that apparent? or was it the return of our veteran player that was the key?
The latter....and I said that before WM left Auburn. We still got gashed against a 1-D Bama O. BADLY. And Idaho.
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Yes!
In reality though is what Muschamp did for us really that apparent? or was it the return of our veteran player that was the key?
Little of both, I think. I certainly think Muschamp rubbed off in a positive way as far as a defensive mentality goes. I mean, the D just seemed a meaner unit the latter half of the season. It just took the players time to catch up to the complexity. I will say though, I thought for sure we would see a lot less of the missed tackling than what we have all witnessed the last several years.
Lawson. on the other hand, I do believe made more of an impact. The guy is a freakn beast, period.
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Yes!
In reality though is what Muschamp did for us really that apparent? or was it the return of our veteran player that was the key?
By proxy, Muschamp improved the secondary. T-Rob had that unit playing pretty good ball at year's end, relative to their humble beginnings.
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By proxy, Muschamp improved the secondary. T-Rob had that unit playing pretty good ball at year's end, relative to their humble beginnings.
Losing T-Rob hurts Auburn more than losing Muschamp, at least from a pure coaching standpoint. That one for me has been harder to get past.
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By proxy, Muschamp improved the secondary. T-Rob had that unit playing pretty good ball at year's end, relative to their humble beginnings.
Just playing devils advocate here but again Carlton Davis was a beast at the end of the year could it also be said that he improved based solely on play time?
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Nothing against Lance but I'm having a hard time remembering any guy from the midget coaching tree that didn't shit the bed when they stepped out on their own to be a DC. Besides Boom of course.
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Just playing devils advocate here but again Carlton Davis was a beast at the end of the year could it also be said that he improved based solely on play time?
Sure, but the kid that develops without quality coaching is a pretty rare dude.
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Thompson named Interim DC.
http://www.al.com/auburnfootball/index.ssf/2015/12/auburn_names_interim_defensive.html
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Two years ago Gus was playing for a National Championship now he's on the hot seat.....crazy
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Two years ago Gus was playing for a National Championship now he's on the hot seat.....crazy
:huh:
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:huh:
Gus is solid, baby.
I know I glossed over a lot of posts and totally missed it but I had no clue Thompson had been a DC. Interesting. The best candidate might be right under our noses. Let's see what he brings to the Ham.
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Well giddyup!
Jake Holland understood EJ's defense. Nobody else seemed to have a clue. We got torched regularly.
You must stop the run first in this league. There are only a few potent passing games in the SEC.
I'm not against hiring the guy but there is no more risk with Thompson running what we know and have practiced over a one year guy teaching something totally new.
Van Gorder needed a year to install and we didn't have the patience to wait another season.
And now we do?
Talk about risky!
The risk I'm talking about is off the field.
I think this is definitely worth trying. I do not see how Charles Kelly could really be that much more knowledgable than LT. And, I think it's funny that everyone assumes it was offered to Kelly and he rejected.
That's what the sports talk Bama hacks in Mobile say.
Gus says it wasn't offered to anyone.
Usually, I think these things come down to money. "Would you come to AU for 850k?"
Kelly: "Gonna take Muschamp money."
Gus: "We'll get back with you. No doubt."
Lance can do the job. He's a hell of recruiter. He just needs to grow up some and tone down the use of "motherfucker" when he talks to granny or the general public.
But I think he's a very good coach and relates well to players.
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Does this mean we keep the same scheme!
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LT named interim DC.
http://www.al.com/auburnfootball/index.ssf/2015/12/auburn_names_interim_defensive.html
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LT named interim DC.
http://www.al.com/auburnfootball/index.ssf/2015/12/auburn_names_interim_defensive.html
Thanks for the update. Water is wet.
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Dora this mean we keep the same scheme!
Boots we are going for the best DC in the country.
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Anyone know who is going to coach the defense against Memphis?
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Anyone know who is going to coach the defense against Memphis?
What do you mean? What happen to Muschamp?
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What do you mean? What happen to Muschamp?
I thought Muschamp was just the interim DC.
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I thought Muschamp was just the interim DC.
Could be permanent...only time will tell. Will take it day to day.
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I thought Muschamp was just the interim DC.
They both practiced well this week.
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They both practiced well this week.
Their goal is to get better each week.
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Their goal is to get better each week.
They are a little banged up.
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They are a little banged up.
Working through some things right now....we'll re-evaluate as the week goes on.
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Working through some things right now....we'll re-evaluate as the week goes on.
We want to improve in all areas.
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How do you feel about the execution of the team?
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How do you feel about the execution of the team?
I'm all for it.
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I'm all for it.
Thats a little brutal isnt it?
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How do you feel about the execution of the team?
I'm all for it.
It would just bounce off the receivers.
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Take it for what it's worth, but my skreets say Lance Thompson will coarch the defense in the bowl game.
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I believe Todd Granthams name is now in the mix for the AU DC.
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I believe Todd Granthams name is now in the mix for the AU DC.
Well, he did hold the high-powered Auburn offense to 17 points earlier this season, so there's that.
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Well, he did hold the high-powered Auburn offense to 17 points earlier this season, so there's that.
Offer him the keys to the City.
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I believe Todd Granthams name is now in the mix for the AU DC.
I would rather have Boss Hogg. Or, Dirks Bentley. Al Sharpton, even, so that my examples are more diverse and less racially biased.
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I would rather have Boss Hogg. Or, Dirks Bentley. Al Sharpton, even, so that my examples are more diverse and less racially biased.
Always about race with you.
Speaking of race, I once dated this half Asian girl. Her mother was Korean and her father was Korean too. She got both her legs ripped off in a car wreck.
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Always about race with you.
Speaking of race, I once dated this half Asian girl. Her mother was Korean and her father was Korean too. She got both her legs ripped off in a car wreck.
Are you talking about Ho B Hung?
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Always about race with you.
Speaking of race, I once dated this half Asian girl. Her mother was Korean and her father was Korean too. She got both her legs ripped off in a car wreck.
Mattie?
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Mattie?
Nope. Without legs, she wasn't able to get much exercise so she kind of put on a lot of weight. Her name was Chin Tu Phat.
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Nope. Without legs, she wasn't able to get much exercise so she kind of put on a lot of weight. Her name was Chin Tu Phat.
Hell. It awaits thee...
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I would rather have Boss Hogg. Or, Dirks Bentley. Al Sharpton, even, so that my examples are more diverse and less racially biased.
You'd best watch your step, mister. Snaggs came here today to chew bubblegum and kick ass. He's all out of bubblegum.
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You'd best watch your step, mister. Snaggs came here today to chew bubblegum and kick ass. He's all out of bubblegum.
Yeah. I might have to do....stuff.
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Always about race with you.
Speaking of race, I once dated this half Asian girl. Her mother was Korean and her father was Korean too. She got both her legs ripped off in a car wreck.
Until you have had the Asian girl spinner, you don't know what your missing.
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Until you have had the Asian girl spinner, you don't know what your missing.
I don't see how this could be any better than the black bum in jail that I.....I mean, that sounds good.
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Grantham is making 1.4 mil at UofL what the fuck we gonna pay him?
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Grantham is making 1.4 mil at UofL what the fuck we gonna pay him?
$1.65M
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$1.65M
I just hope Jacobs puts another huge buyout on his contract so someone doesn't steal this hot commodity.
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Some other DC's I would rather have than Grantham: anyone named Al, Andy, Alan or any name starting with an A. Ben, Bob, Billy, or any name with a b in it.
Really, any man or woman with a name with a letter in it or a sign (like the artist formerly known as Prince has) I would like more than Grantham.
Grantham is a decent DC, NFL connections but a bad fit.
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This a little dated from a UT blog but gives you a good idea of his overall qualifications. I didn't realize Thompson had this resume. Honestly, I'd have no problem if he was given the DC position.
Lance Thompson arrived in Knoxville three years ago the owner of a championship pedigree. That mentality is building a foundation in the Tennessee defense and already paying dividends.
Thompson coached the UT linebackers during his first two seasons in Knoxville, guiding Nick Reveiz to a team-high 108 tackles last year. Reveiz also was a finalist for the Burlsworth Trophy, presented to a former walk-on having the biggest impact on his team.
But now Thompson is returning to the defensive line, one of the many positions he had handled throughout his successful coaching tenure.
Thompson, a Riverdale, Ga., native, helped mold national title-winners at Georgia Tech and LSU, and spent his two seasons before UT rejuvenating Alabama's fortunes toward the SEC elite as outside linebackers coach and recruiting specialist. All told, Thompson has been a member of two SEC championship coaching staffs, two ACC championship staffs and one Conference USA divisional winner.
Thompson, 47, owns two separate coaching stints alongside Nick Saban, having originally worked for Saban and alongside Derek Dooley at LSU for the 2002-03 seasons before rejoining Saban at Alabama in 2007. Thompson served LSU as the assistant head coach in charge of recruiting and tight ends during their national championship season in 2003.
After his LSU tenure, Thompson spent three years as defensive coordinator at Central Florida. He previously served as Alabama's defensive line coach in 1999-2000.
Prior to his first two-year stint at Alabama, Thompson was a part of the Georgia Tech staff for 11 years. During his stay with the Yellow Jackets, Thompson was defensive line coach in 1998; defensive ends coach in 1996 and 1997 and tight ends coach in 1995. Thompson served as Georgia Tech's recruiting coordinator from 1995-98 and then again in 2001. Prior to serving as an on-field coach for the Yellow Jackets, Thompson held the position of Director of Football Operations at Georgia Tech from 1992-94.
Thompson got his start in coaching in 1988, serving as a graduate assistant for two years at Georgia Tech, followed by two more years as a volunteer assistant in 1990 and 1991.
Thompson was a four-year letterman at The Citadel, where he earned his bachelor's degree in education and mathematics in 1987.