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Title: Thoughts - Week 2
Post by: Townhallsavoy on September 12, 2015, 10:23:25 PM
Auburn

- Similar to last week's observation, it is what it is. Jeremy Johnson is not going to get much better. He's not going to be coached up. He's not going to improve to the level we need in order to compete with the best SEC teams. Maybe he can get a little better and maybe we can gameplan around it, but he like Kiehl Frazier is a detriment to the offense.

- It's not that he doesn't have the size, arm strength, and play calls. It's that he can't handle the speed of the game.

When I was in undergrad, I went to a practice during the fall of 2004. It was during two-a-days, I think, and it was an evening practice to avoid the heat. What amazed me the most was just how quick the players were. I watched Carnell Williams juke and shift through the hole and then cut it up the sideline. There were a lot of players yelling, hooting, and just being downright competitive about a simple practice play. Every time a play was run or even during drills, you would hear pads pop and heavy breaths being taken. To sum this up, it was just fucking fast, like handcuff lightning, throw thunder in jail fast.

Another time was in the spring of 2007 when I was a Tiger Host. It was A-Day, and I was on the field guiding recruits around to watch the warm up drills. I got stuck near the linebackers and someone told me to step back. I didn't. I watched as the linebackers did this shuffle and run drill, where they shuffled away from me and from about ten yards out, bolted into a dead sprint right in my direction. A linebacker was charging at me and in my face so quickly that I couldn't make sense of just how a human being that large could move that way.

And that's why even if I had all the physical tools in the world to play quarterback, I would be a failure. My brain just doesn't comprehend the speed of college football defenses. To get the snap, know the play, make the read, innovate, make the adjustments, execute the play all within a second or two, there's no way I could handle it.

And neither can Johnson. I'm sure he looks great when the pressure is off (see Arkansas 2014 when he knew Marshall would come in at the half). I'm sure he does everything right in practice. But he's a shit quarterback who is going to lose us a lot of games.

- Not that this team as a whole is all that better. The offensive line couldn't get any kind of a push on an FCS defense. We've been plagued with holding calls so far, and the running backs are having to fight through congestion just to break the line of scrimmage.

- Defensively, I was confused about the strategy. We stayed in man coverage the whole game. Does Muschamp just not run zone? Our secondary couldn't cover Jax State receivers. How will they handle Dupree next week? Why didn't we change the coverage? To Jax State's credit, two of their receivers were downright ballers.

- I attended the game and sat beneath the jumbotron on row 53. It sucks for people underneath it. The picture is a bunch of squares with smudged moving colors in each one. You can't tell what's going on in the replays, and I couldn't even see the other side of the screen to see stats or other scores. We walked to the other side of the stadium after the game and from the opposite side, it looks beautiful. But it seems rather lame that 1/4 of the stadium can't even see the damn thing when you spent millions of dollars on it.

- Also, not sure if this was seen by anyone else or if it's been brought up, but two of our defensive linemen were loafing their fat asses off the field going into halftime. One was Montravious Adams who walked over to Malzahn as he was finishing up his pre-halftime interview. I don't know what was said, but Adams said something to Malzahn and Malzhan lit into him right there on the field. As a spectator, I have no idea what happened there, but if I had to assume, I would assume that there was some bullshit laziness from Adams going into the locker room and it looked like he had some kind of complaint, which set Malzahn off. I hope Gus nips that bullshit in the bud quickly and I hope there aren't some kind of discipline issues going on behind closed doors.

- Here's a disturbing quote from Johnson:

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"I didn't feel that I wasn't playing good," Johnson said. "It's football, interceptions are going to happen. All the greats throw interceptions. I feel really good about where this team at, where I'm at. I have a lot of confidence in myself and also my team. They always tell me we've got confidence, we believe in you, and that's great to hear from your teammates."

- I miss Nick Marshall. Guy was a straight baller, clutch in big games, clutch in big moments. Feet from Michael Jackson and legs from Usain Bolt.

Other Thoughts

- Hahahahah Arkansas.

- Watched the 1st quarter of the LSU game. LSU looks stout. Real stout. But Miss State also looks like dogshit. Stanky dogshit.

- Tennessee could have been back tonight, but they're not. Typical 6, 7 win Tennessee team.

- Best teams in the SEC right now: Alabama (that defensive line OMG) and Texas A&M (Sumlin's offense with a decent defense plus a win against a respectable opponent).

Title: Re: Thoughts - Week 2
Post by: GH2001 on September 12, 2015, 10:38:38 PM
The quote from JJ is mind boggling. It worries me. He has no clue.

I hope Gus doesn't believe that shit too.
Title: Re: Thoughts - Week 2
Post by: CCTAU on September 12, 2015, 10:54:46 PM
To your point on quickness. I think these guys are quick, but they don't play balls to the wall every play. Barber plays that way. He looks like the one guy trying to kill the opponent every play. The whole team needs that attitude. We don't play pissed off at all.

Watching Orth come in for USCe, I can only think about how White is that kid that does what it takes. We need somebody willing to sell out every play at QB.


Fournette is going the shred us. And when we commit all 11 guys to stop him, Harris will run on us like the UL and JSU QBs. But don't worry, we'll keep it close by only throwing 2 INTs.

Title: Re: Thoughts - Week 2
Post by: Jumbo on September 13, 2015, 03:01:07 AM
We're still shitty.
Title: Re: Thoughts - Week 2
Post by: Snaggletiger on September 13, 2015, 07:54:47 AM
Hard to make any excuses for that.  If Auburn is truly a top 10 team, they win by 3 or more scores.  No excuses here, just observations.  On JSU's side:

I was at the game.  That QB was incredibly accurate and extremely quick.  If our DB's were going to make plays, they had to be perfect because the throws were all on the money.  It wasn't until the 4th quarter that our DB's finally started looking for the ball instead of just running with the receiver.  Every time they turned around, they made the break up. 

In addition, they were able to complete all those dinks and dunks and quick slants because we gave them 10 yard cushions the entire game.  No press coverage allowed.  Inexplicable.  Really questioned Muschamp on that. 

For Auburn:

The positives were definitely Cass McKinzy and Ricardo Lewis.  McKinzy was a beast.  All over the field making plays and he was fired up all day.  He got hurt on a kick off (Why our starting LB is in on KO's is mind boggling) When he cleared the cobwebs and they got him up, he tried to run to the defensive huddle.  Best game I've ever seen him play. Lewis was open all day and made play after play. 10 catches for 76.  Yes, Barber looked great by games end but honestly, he looked slow and uninspired the first half.  Gotta' throw in Carlson and the punter (Phillips?).  Solid.  And the long snapping was spot on.  Probably won us that game.

One thing that has to be pointed out is we're not nearly playing with a full deck.  Maybe literally and figuratively.  Carl Lawson was out.  Tray Matthews was out.  Josh Holsey...out.  Blake Countess...thrown out.  Devaroe Lawrence went out for most of the second half.  (The new Come on, Swain is shitty and lazy)  Avery Young didn't play.  Don't know if Kozan is hurt or just not getting it done.  Jovon Robinson is apparently out.

This is already a beat up, banged up team. And yes, the secondary always had at least 2, sometimes 3 true freshmen playing on every play in the second half.  We have to get all these defensive guys back and healthy to have a shot at LSU.

Jeremy Johnson.  21-32  236 yards 2 TD's  2 INT's.  Pretty obvious they reigned him in after last week.  The majority of his throws, especially early, were shorter and more conservative.  He did a good job with those and made beautiful throws to Roc and Melvin for the TD's.  He had two drops on passes he hit the guys in stride. One was a drop by Ray, then they came back and ran the same play and JJ threw another strike.

Then you've got the  :facepalm:  He short armed a TD on the first drive that killed it.  The receiver was gone if he hits him.  Then come the two WTF moments where you wonder what the fuck he was looking at.

I'm not nearly ready to put him in the Kadril category.  Not only could Kaleel not decipher the color of the jerseys, he even made their guys work for the interceptions.  He couldn't hit the broad side of my ample sized ass at point blank range. I'm not defending him either.  Just saying he's done just enough good things to hold out a glimmer of hope.  We all want to see our QB hit Duke in stride on 5-6 slants a game.  That's a thing of the past, folks. That's priority one for these defenses.  They had someone inside of him every single play and when we did throw it, he got his head taken off.

I like his quote about staying confident and his teammates having faith in him.  What do you want to hear from your starting QB heading into Death Valley? "Yeah...uuhh...pretty obvious I suck and my teammates locked me out of the locker room."  If he's really lost it and has snakes in his head, we'll see a freshman taking snaps in Baton Rude.  I just want the guy to get his head out of his ass.  I want to get 5 healthy guys to gel on the O-line.  I want all these defensive guys to get back on the field, stat. I want a hamburger...no...a cheeseburger.   

 
Title: Re: Thoughts - Week 2
Post by: jmar on September 13, 2015, 09:00:56 AM
Did White loosen up on the sideline (preparing to play) yesterday?
Title: Re: Thoughts - Week 2
Post by: Snaggletiger on September 13, 2015, 09:15:59 AM
Did White loosen up on the sideline (preparing to play) yesterday?

Nope
Title: Re: Thoughts - Week 2
Post by: Buzz Killington on September 13, 2015, 09:34:13 AM
You'll get nothing and like it
Title: Re: Thoughts - Week 2
Post by: jmar on September 13, 2015, 09:45:36 AM
You'll get nothing and like it
I'll tell YOU what I get plenty of: What is it Sunday?
I'm already sick of the recurring weekly Carl Lawson Watch that's going to play out the rest of this season.
Call me a crusty old insensitive bastard (or worse) but we can't possibly be leaning on that (just like last season) as an excuse for getting diced up like we did yesterday.
Title: Re: Thoughts - Week 2
Post by: dallaswareagle on September 13, 2015, 10:11:15 AM

 "Yeah...uuhh...pretty obvious I suck and my teammates locked me out of the locker room." 


Maybe just to start the game?
Title: Re: Thoughts - Week 2
Post by: WiregrassTiger on September 13, 2015, 10:12:40 AM
We may very well suck the rest of this season and I thought we were overrated from the get go. I'm the kind of guy to tell you I told you so.

But I didn't think we were as overrated as I now think we were.

Still, I don't buy the worst AU win or closest call in AU history mantra. Yes, 1aa. Just like Ga Southern and others who have damn near beat us before. Except Jax state is full of SEC transfers.

No excuse, we should've led from beginning but Im saying Jax State is damn good.

Snags mentioned the db's not playing the ball, knew that was coming with Muschamp. Seen it before. And we obviously are pretty poor at containing and are trying to bend but not break. I thought we would've attacked more.

Future? I don't know. We'll see in Baton Rouge but I'm thinking Harris and Fournette roll up in excess of 200 on us. And not having a mobile QB AND one that is apparently color blind makes for a potential long season. I'm cautiously pessimistic at this point.
Title: Re: Thoughts - Week 2
Post by: dallaswareagle on September 13, 2015, 10:18:38 AM
Well, if JJ can't throw it to our guys at least keep the QB option run/read open.
Title: Re: Thoughts - Week 2
Post by: dallaswareagle on September 13, 2015, 10:20:29 AM
We may very well suck the rest of this season and I thought we were overrated from the get go. I'm the kind of guy to tell you I told you so.

But I didn't think we were as overrated as I now think we were.

Still, I don't buy the worst AU win or closest call in AU history mantra. Yes, 1aa. Just like Ga Southern and others who have damn near beat us before. Except Jax state is full of SEC transfers.

No excuse, we should've led from beginning but Im saying Jax State is damn good.

Snags mentioned the db's not playing the ball, knew that was coming with Muschamp. Seen it before. And we obviously are pretty poor at containing and are trying to bend but not break. I thought we would've attacked more.

Future? I don't know. We'll see in Baton Rouge but I'm thinking Harris and Fournette roll up in excess of 200 on us. And not having a mobile QB AND one that is apparently color blind makes for a potential long season. I'm cautiously pessimistic at this point.


We may very well be 2-2 at the end of this month.
Title: Re: Thoughts - Week 2
Post by: jmar on September 13, 2015, 10:30:21 AM
We may very well suck the rest of this season and I thought we were overrated from the get go. I'm the kind of guy to tell you I told you so.

But I didn't think we were as overrated as I now think we were.

Still, I don't buy the worst AU win or closest call in AU history mantra. Yes, 1aa. Just like Ga Southern and others who have damn near beat us before. Except Jax state is full of SEC transfers.

No excuse, we should've led from beginning but Im saying Jax State is damn good.

Snags mentioned the db's not playing the ball, knew that was coming with Muschamp. Seen it before. And we obviously are pretty poor at containing and are trying to bend but not break. I thought we would've attacked more.

Future? I don't know. We'll see in Baton Rouge but I'm thinking Harris and Fournette roll up in excess of 200 on us. And not having a mobile QB AND one that is apparently color blind makes for a potential long season. I'm cautiously pessimistic at this point.
OH NO, part of the false sense of security that will follow this team is that it will do justenough to get by one dimensional LSU in Baton Rouge even if Fournette gouges us.
This roller coaster's just dicking around pal. You ain't seen nothing yet. :sad:
 
Title: Re: Thoughts - Week 2
Post by: jmar on September 13, 2015, 10:36:18 AM
Well, if JJ can't throw it to our guys at least keep the QB option run/read open.
He can run the option (step slow) but I'm not sure other teams will hit him with malice as they should for fear of what our backup might actually accomplish.
Title: Re: Thoughts - Week 2
Post by: dallaswareagle on September 13, 2015, 10:42:06 AM
He can run the option (step slow) but I'm not sure other teams will hit him with malice as they should for fear of what our backup might actually accomplish.


Didn't think of that. I am pretty sure they will do whatever they can to keep JJ in the game.


Without looking he has to leading the nation in interceptions.
Title: Re: Thoughts - Week 2
Post by: Townhallsavoy on September 13, 2015, 10:51:49 AM

Didn't think of that. I am pretty sure they will do whatever they can to keep JJ in the game.


Without looking he has to leading the nation in interceptions.

Tied with Zach Terrell at Western Michigan with 5 on the season.

Johnson is ranked 91st in QB rating after games against an 0-2 Louisville team and an FCS team.

Greg Ward Jr. from Houston was able to throw for 3 touchdowns and one pick against Louisville. He was 22/33 for 269 yards. Compared with Johnson who was 11/21 for 137 yards and 1 touchdown and 3 picks.

Possibly more concerning is that Houston contained Lamar Jackson to the point that Petrino had to go to his other quarterbacks just to stay in it (Jackson had 12 carries for 16 yards). For as much as we hated Johnson, Muschamp is not exactly performing a stellar turn around. This is probably just growing pains though.
Title: Re: Thoughts - Week 2
Post by: dallaswareagle on September 13, 2015, 10:59:01 AM
Tied with Zach Terrell at Western Michigan with 5 on the season.

Johnson is ranked 91st in QB rating after games against an 0-2 Louisville team and an FCS team.

Greg Ward Jr. from Houston was able to throw for 3 touchdowns and one pick against Louisville. He was 22/33 for 269 yards. Compared with Johnson who was 11/21 for 137 yards and 1 touchdown and 3 picks.

Possibly more concerning is that Houston contained Lamar Jackson to the point that Petrino had to go to his other quarterbacks just to stay in it (Jackson had 12 carries for 16 yards). For as much as we hated Johnson, Muschamp is not exactly performing a stellar turn around. This is probably just growing pains though.

Growing pains I understand against what we thought was a mid-tier Louisville team and first game> But to give up 500 yards to an FCS team is inexcusable. 
Title: Re: Thoughts - Week 2
Post by: jmar on September 13, 2015, 11:01:16 AM

Didn't think of that. I am pretty sure they will do whatever they can to keep JJ in the game.


Without looking he has to leading the nation in interceptions.
You know he has speed just not that quick step to make it (option) a real threat as with Nick.
He really has so much going for him athletically I can't help but put some blame our OC collaboration for overvaluing his ability to make the correct choice. I've seen open field when he could run. And we know for a fact that he could outrun Chris Todd, likely Frazier and most certainly Moseley.
Title: Re: Thoughts - Week 2
Post by: jmar on September 13, 2015, 11:08:27 AM
I think Jameis threw 18 picks last season. Not as much an issue as much as it is situation, position on the field and untimeliness...like killing the momentum of a drive. More interested in what he does apart from his fuckups and how the rest of the team plays around him. Doesn't look promising!
Title: Re: Thoughts - Week 2
Post by: chinook on September 13, 2015, 11:16:24 AM
How about the TE playing?  That shit got real.

I don't want JJ running the read option...designed QB run plays, yes.

And I blame in the mix the 9:00 am start.
Title: Re: Thoughts - Week 2
Post by: dallaswareagle on September 13, 2015, 11:20:14 AM
How about the TE playing?  That shit got real.

I don't want JJ running the read option...designed QB run plays, yes.

And I blame in the mix the 9:00 am start.


Tight end? Who is it?

If he is running he ain't throwing.

Eggs and Kegs. Good start to a day.
Title: Re: Thoughts - Week 2
Post by: jmar on September 13, 2015, 11:23:44 AM

Tight end? Who is it?

If he running he ain't throwing.

Eggs and Kegs. Good start to a day.
That's beautiful!

 #winning
Title: Re: Thoughts - Week 2
Post by: WiregrassTiger on September 13, 2015, 01:13:43 PM
I'll tell YOU what I get plenty of: What is it Sunday?
I'm already sick of the recurring weekly Carl Lawson Watch that's going to play out the rest of this season.
Call me a crusty old insensitive bastard (or worse) but we can't possibly be leaning on that (just like last season) as an excuse for getting diced up like we did yesterday.
You are a crusty old insensitive bastard. Or, possibly worse.
Title: Re: Thoughts - Week 2
Post by: AUTiger1 on September 13, 2015, 01:38:49 PM
Wait, for the past two years we finished down in the 90's in D and y'all expected a top 10 D overnight?  Pretty apparent with the way we played D the past two years we suck aND we don't have the gretest players in the world.  Wanting a bunch of true freshmen to turn it around in one season? 

Y'all for real?
Title: Re: Thoughts - Week 2
Post by: jmar on September 13, 2015, 01:48:53 PM
You are a crusty old insensitive bastard. Or, possibly worse.
Sticks and stones bitch.
Title: Re: Thoughts - Week 2
Post by: jmar on September 13, 2015, 01:54:17 PM
Wait, for the past two years we finished down in the 90's in D and y'all expected a top 10 D overnight?  Pretty apparent with the way we played D the past two years we suck aND we don't have the gretest players in the world.  Wanting a bunch of true freshmen to turn it around in one season? 

Y'all for real?
No I'm actually for top 40ish, reduce yards per carry, turn towards the ball, swarm to the ball. The rest of these motherfuckers are just being wishful pricks.
Title: Re: Thoughts - Week 2
Post by: wesfau2 on September 13, 2015, 06:22:13 PM
I'm a benefit-of-the-doubt giving motherfucker right now.  We should roll a DII team and snooze through the process.  As pointed out, however, this DII school is loaded with former SEC players with legitimate skill. 

Barge and Gonzalez made some absolute circus catches despite good coverage.  There were some busts, but that is to be expected with a backfield full of true frosh.  The story on the DBs in the preseason has been proven correct: talented starters, but woefully thin on experience behind them.  The youngsters showed obvious improvement as they got comfortable in the game and they earned some valuable live action experience.  Expect this group to be improved in Baton Rouge with the return of Countess and (presumably) Matthews.

The LBs have been frustratingly out of sync: Cass is playing like a man possessed and Frost is running wild and over pursuing the plays.  I noticed that Darrell Williams (he's our defensive #4, right?) was getting big chunks of playing time in the 2nd half.

The interior D-Line has been getting good push.  Monty Adams and Devonte Lambert are frequent visitors in the opposition's backfield.  Kennion is a non-factor at End/Buck and Cowart is showing flashes of dominance at the same positions but he can't play consistently for some reason.  Is it possible that while we recognize his high level of play, we are totally underestimating Lawson's value to our defensive line and, by extension, our defense as a whole?  Are we beholden to one player's presence? 

I submit that the fundamentals of this defensive unit are far superior to those under Johnson in that we're breaking down and tackling like actual football players and not launching at the ball like a SCUD fired from the top of a sand dune somewhere.  I trust the coaching on that side of the ball and feel like we're going to see this group become a team strength sooner rather than later.

This is where I'm supposed to consider the offense by wailing and gnashing and what not.  I won't.  Jeremy's well-documented fuck-ups are disturbing and, hopefully, fixable.  We've seen him perform at a high level, against elite competition and excel.  He can do this, but it's up to the coaches to figure out how to get him focused again.  It would also be optimal if his wide receivers would not drop the rare ball that is thrown on target.  When your QB is struggling but he finally puts one on the money, you have to make the play.  All of that said, White needs some warm-up time shortly after kickoff.  Just in case.

The receivers are mostly performing well and there were some instances of excellent blocking for the run game yesterday.  Of the entire group Louis looks most like the guy who came to play.  The aforementioned drops are presumably curable since we've seen most of this group display good-to-elite pass catching ability.

I'm not sure why there is any debate as to who has shown the most potential as the starting running back.  Give Peyton Barber the ball and watch him grind yards.  The guy reminds me of Tre Mason in his low pads and propensity to fall forward for an extra 2-3 yards per carry.  Mix Roc in for sweeps and wheel routes (loved seeing that play again...shades of Ronnie Brown), but let Barber carry the load.  Kerryon Johnson was impressive for a young guy and looks like he could be Corey Grant 2.0.

Finally, the O-line deserves some mention.  While not the road-grading force that was expected, yesterday appeared to be a live-action experiment.  There was lots of rotation at each position (with Braden Smith playing at least 2 positions) and I have to think that wasn't a panicked decision, that there was forethought to that much substitution.  The lack of consistency and chemistry led to unsteady run blocking and pass blocking that often found someone rolling around Jeremy's feet, preventing a decent plant.  Hopefully, this was a calculated risk against an assumed foregone win.  If the O-line is, in fact, as unsettled as it appeared to be, then they are in serious trouble in Baton Rouge.

I think the opponent was underestimated, the offense in flux and the defense undermanned.  It was a perfect storm which was weathered by the good guys.  LSU might tear us a new asshole, but they're going to have to show up and try.
Title: Re: Thoughts - Week 2
Post by: CCTAU on September 13, 2015, 06:39:17 PM
8 SEC transfers. One not playing(Sigler). Like 16 DIV I transfers.
Title: Re: Thoughts - Week 2
Post by: Townhallsavoy on September 13, 2015, 06:53:02 PM
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As pointed out, however, this DII school is loaded with former SEC players with legitimate skill. 

8 SEC transfers. One not playing(Sigler). Like 16 DIV I transfers.

Yeah when I heard some people using that excuse, I just think, "They might have a "bunch" of division I players, but we have 85."
Title: Re: Thoughts - Week 2
Post by: CCTAU on September 13, 2015, 06:57:48 PM
I figured we'd drop a couple of spots, but 12 spots to 18?

Damn. Ward is hitting the beaver pretty hard there.

Not that any of that matters. But still!
Title: Re: Thoughts - Week 2
Post by: WiregrassTiger on September 13, 2015, 08:35:07 PM
For the record, Jax State is Div 1, like we are. Not div II.

They are fcs, I believe it's known as now but still 1aa to me. Just didn't want people thinking a div II school beat us for 99% of the game.
Title: Re: Thoughts - Week 2
Post by: Snaggletiger on September 13, 2015, 09:31:06 PM
I'm a benefit-of-the-doubt giving motherfucker right now.  We should roll a DII team and snooze through the process.  As pointed out, however, this DII school is loaded with former SEC players with legitimate skill. 

Barge and Gonzalez made some absolute circus catches despite good coverage.  There were some busts, but that is to be expected with a backfield full of true frosh.  The story on the DBs in the preseason has been proven correct: talented starters, but woefully thin on experience behind them.  The youngsters showed obvious improvement as they got comfortable in the game and they earned some valuable live action experience.  Expect this group to be improved in Baton Rouge with the return of Countess and (presumably) Matthews.

The LBs have been frustratingly out of sync: Cass is playing like a man possessed and Frost is running wild and over pursuing the plays.  I noticed that Darrell Williams (he's our defensive #4, right?) was getting big chunks of playing time in the 2nd half.

The interior D-Line has been getting good push.  Monty Adams and Devonte Lambert are frequent visitors in the opposition's backfield.  Kennion is a non-factor at End/Buck and Cowart is showing flashes of dominance at the same positions but he can't play consistently for some reason.  Is it possible that while we recognize his high level of play, we are totally underestimating Lawson's value to our defensive line and, by extension, our defense as a whole?  Are we beholden to one player's presence? 

I submit that the fundamentals of this defensive unit are far superior to those under Johnson in that we're breaking down and tackling like actual football players and not launching at the ball like a SCUD fired from the top of a sand dune somewhere.  I trust the coaching on that side of the ball and feel like we're going to see this group become a team strength sooner rather than later.

This is where I'm supposed to consider the offense by wailing and gnashing and what not.  I won't.  Jeremy's well-documented fuck-ups are disturbing and, hopefully, fixable.  We've seen him perform at a high level, against elite competition and excel.  He can do this, but it's up to the coaches to figure out how to get him focused again.  It would also be optimal if his wide receivers would not drop the rare ball that is thrown on target.  When your QB is struggling but he finally puts one on the money, you have to make the play.  All of that said, White needs some warm-up time shortly after kickoff.  Just in case.

The receivers are mostly performing well and there were some instances of excellent blocking for the run game yesterday.  Of the entire group Louis looks most like the guy who came to play.  The aforementioned drops are presumably curable since we've seen most of this group display good-to-elite pass catching ability.

I'm not sure why there is any debate as to who has shown the most potential as the starting running back.  Give Peyton Barber the ball and watch him grind yards.  The guy reminds me of Tre Mason in his low pads and propensity to fall forward for an extra 2-3 yards per carry.  Mix Roc in for sweeps and wheel routes (loved seeing that play again...shades of Ronnie Brown), but let Barber carry the load.  Kerryon Johnson was impressive for a young guy and looks like he could be Corey Grant 2.0.

Finally, the O-line deserves some mention.  While not the road-grading force that was expected, yesterday appeared to be a live-action experiment.  There was lots of rotation at each position (with Braden Smith playing at least 2 positions) and I have to think that wasn't a panicked decision, that there was forethought to that much substitution.  The lack of consistency and chemistry led to unsteady run blocking and pass blocking that often found someone rolling around Jeremy's feet, preventing a decent plant.  Hopefully, this was a calculated risk against an assumed foregone win.  If the O-line is, in fact, as unsettled as it appeared to be, then they are in serious trouble in Baton Rouge.

I think the opponent was underestimated, the offense in flux and the defense undermanned.  It was a perfect storm which was weathered by the good guys.  LSU might tear us a new asshole, but they're going to have to show up and try.

Agree with 7/8th's or 93.5% of this.  FYI...#4 is Jeffrey Holland, who Muschamp said would get lots of PT right away.  100% on Johnson.  Keep White at the ready but work harder at fixing JJ's brain farts.  Guy's got major talent.  Get him focused on every play.  I may be in the minority...but then again, this board is all about racism...but I'm just not close to bailing on this guy.  Maybe sit him a series or two if he fucks up in the Rude and give him a different perspective.  Hey, Super Bowl winner Joe Flacco opened the season with 117 yards, 2 picks and one of which was a pick 6.  Hall of Famer, Peyton Manning threw for a whopping 175, no TD's and 2 INT's, one of which was a pick 6. Shit happens...but keep White limber.

As for Lawson.  Are we that beholden to one player?  I'll answer with an emphatic YES!!!!  Lawson is that good.  Louisville's QB doesn't get outside all second half if Lawson is in.  JSU's QB doesn't pick and choose his spots all game if Lawson is in.  Lawson is a guy that makes everyone better.  You HAVE to account for him every play, freeing up everyone else to go one on one.  Louisville scrapped for field goal tries the entire first half.  Lawson goes out...nobody in to disrupt or chase people down.  Lawson is Derrick Thomas good.  He just has to get past the injury bug and stay on the field.  If Lawson (and Trigga Tray) are 100% this weekend...game on, bitches. 

Title: Re: Thoughts - Week 2
Post by: jmar on September 13, 2015, 09:53:09 PM
For the record, Jax State is Div 1, like we are. Not div II.

They are fcs, I believe it's known as now but still 1aa to me. Just didn't want people thinking a div II school beat us for 99% of the game.
Can only hope the result will prove to have a sobering affect on our team. That was a well coached disciplined opponent that was as determined as any other Auburn will face. We have enough talent but lack what they have.   
Title: Re: Thoughts - Week 2
Post by: Kaos on September 14, 2015, 06:17:01 AM
JSU went on the road last year to open the season and lost 45-7 at Michigan State. 

Last week they opened at Chattanooga and outpunched the mighty Noogfucks 23-20. 

This was a very good team. Similar to Utah State.  The might have even had Tongans. 
Title: Re: Thoughts - Week 2
Post by: Townhallsavoy on September 14, 2015, 07:40:46 AM
JSU went on the road last year to open the season and lost 45-7 at Michigan State. 

Last week they opened at Chattanooga and outpunched the mighty Noogfucks 23-20. 

This was a very good team. Similar to Utah State.  The might have even had Tongans.

You know, there may be something else to this.

How many Jacksonville State graduates do you know? I know a few. They have a pretty good education department, so I worked with some teachers who were JSU grads.

All Bama fans. Every JSU graduate I know is a die hard Bama fan. In fact, some of the worst Bama fans I know are JSU graduates.

That wasn't just JSU's Super Bowl; it was their Iron Bowl.
Title: Re: Thoughts - Week 2
Post by: WiregrassTiger on September 14, 2015, 09:03:23 AM
Agree with 7/8th's or 93.5% of this.  FYI...#4 is Jeffrey Holland, who Muschamp said would get lots of PT right away.  100% on Johnson.  Keep White at the ready but work harder at fixing JJ's brain farts.  Guy's got major talent.  Get him focused on every play.  I may be in the minority...but then again, this board is all about racism...but I'm just not close to bailing on this guy.  Maybe sit him a series or two if he fucks up in the Rude and give him a different perspective.  Hey, Super Bowl winner Joe Flacco opened the season with 117 yards, 2 picks and one of which was a pick 6.  Hall of Famer, Peyton Manning threw for a whopping 175, no TD's and 2 INT's, one of which was a pick 6. Shit happens...but keep White limber.

As for Lawson.  Are we that beholden to one player?  I'll answer with an emphatic YES!!!!  Lawson is that good.  Louisville's QB doesn't get outside all second half if Lawson is in.  JSU's QB doesn't pick and choose his spots all game if Lawson is in.  Lawson is a guy that makes everyone better.  You HAVE to account for him every play, freeing up everyone else to go one on one.  Louisville scrapped for field goal tries the entire first half.  Lawson goes out...nobody in to disrupt or chase people down.  Lawson is Derrick Thomas good.  He just has to get past the injury bug and stay on the field.  If Lawson (and Trigga Tray) are 100% this weekend...game on, bitches.
TL;DR this or Wes. I assume y'all want to see the surfer kid too? Even I am ready to see the white boy.

I'm ready to start the chant: "Put the white boy in!....Put the white boy in!"
Title: Re: Thoughts - Week 2
Post by: djsimp on September 14, 2015, 09:09:01 AM
TL;DR this or Wes. I assume y'all want to see the surfer kid too? Even I am ready to see the white boy.

I'm ready to start the chant: "Put the white boy in!....Put the white boy in!"

He is gnarly.
Title: Re: Thoughts - Week 2
Post by: Godfather on September 14, 2015, 09:14:10 AM
TL;DR this or Wes. I assume y'all want to see the surfer kid too? Even I am ready to see the white boy.

I'm ready to start the chant: "Put the white boy in!....Put the white boy in!"

That's racist...wait...is it?
Title: Re: Thoughts - Week 2
Post by: jmar on September 14, 2015, 09:20:47 AM
That's racist...wait...is it?
Is he well spoken?
Title: Re: Thoughts - Week 2
Post by: Godfather on September 14, 2015, 09:37:53 AM
Here is where I'm at... kind of a mix between JR & Wes.  I want to be optimistic but I don't know if my heart can take it.  The things that are pissing me off is not just QB play, it's Gus's whole gameplan and then response.  Look I'm still 100% on the Gus Bus, but I don't get the complete and utter loyalty. 

We hardly ran the ball at the beginning. We are doing zero hurry up. Jeremy can't read a defense throwing or in the zone read, he gives it to the RB every time.  I get sticking with your QB but what is wrong with bringing White in for a series, let's see how the kid does?

I just don't get it.  I had great expectations for this season, and after the first two games I just don't see much hope in those expectations.
Title: Re: Thoughts - Week 2
Post by: djsimp on September 14, 2015, 09:57:10 AM
Here is where I'm at... kind of a mix between JR & Wes.  I want to be optimistic but I don't know if my heart can take it.  The things that are pissing me off is not just QB play, it's Gus's whole gameplan and then response.  Look I'm still 100% on the Gus Bus, but I don't get the complete and utter loyalty. 

We hardly ran the ball at the beginning. We are doing zero hurry up. Jeremy can't read a defense throwing or in the zone read, he gives it to the RB every time.  I get sticking with your QB but what is wrong with bringing White in for a series, let's see how the kid does?

I just don't get it.  I had great expectations for this season, and after the first two games I just don't see much hope in those expectations.

I was kind of chicken to be honest with hearing all these high expectations. Maybe I am still a little gun shy from years past. I couldn't help but think of 2003 losing to USC and GA Tech to start off the season. Auburn is 2-0, even if it was as ugly as hell. I am hoping the almost loss to JSU with wake up the AU players and coaching staff that to me have seemed to be sleep walking a little bit. If not, I could get really ugly. And no, my heart can't take this shit either but like my said which is true, we as Auburn fans should have learned to expect this craziness by now.
Title: Re: Thoughts - Week 2
Post by: dallaswareagle on September 14, 2015, 10:03:29 AM
Here is where I'm at... kind of a mix between JR & Wes.  I want to be optimistic but I don't know if my heart can take it.  The things that are pissing me off is not just QB play, it's Gus's whole gameplan and then response.  Look I'm still 100% on the Gus Bus, but I don't get the complete and utter loyalty. 

We hardly ran the ball at the beginning. We are doing zero hurry up. Jeremy can't read a defense throwing or in the zone read, he gives it to the RB every time.  I get sticking with your QB but what is wrong with bringing White in for a series, let's see how the kid does?

I just don't get it.  I had great expectations for this season, and after the first two games I just don't see much hope in those expectations.


I think everybody is, we know he has the coaching mind. Maybe its just me but after these two games and his comments about sticking with JJ, I know I have looked on my GPS to see if there are any up coming exits to get off at. :facepalm:
Title: Re: Thoughts - Week 2
Post by: WiregrassTiger on September 14, 2015, 10:58:36 AM
Here is where I'm at... kind of a mix between JR & Wes.  I want to be optimistic but I don't know if my heart can take it.  The things that are pissing me off is not just QB play, it's Gus's whole gameplan and then response.  Look I'm still 100% on the Gus Bus, but I don't get the complete and utter loyalty. 

We hardly ran the ball at the beginning. We are doing zero hurry up. Jeremy can't read a defense throwing or in the zone read, he gives it to the RB every time.  I get sticking with your QB but what is wrong with bringing White in for a series, let's see how the kid does?

I just don't get it.  I had great expectations for this season, and after the first two games I just don't see much hope in those expectations.
I don't think there is many--if any--that didn't have great expectations. Some higher than others. But, how in the hell could any of us thought we'd have to go into OT with Jax state?

Here is the good news Imma gonna lay on you. We won't be 2012 bad! Rejoice brothers and sisters!

Bad news is, we ain't going to the playoffs. I never actually banked on that anyway. Do we have a shot at SEC? I don't think we have much. But we can make a bowl.

Gus is sticking with JJ until who knows when. And I think a sharp JJ likely gives us the best chance at going far. We haven't seen a sharp JJ yet. Unless Benny Hinn gets ahold of JJ before Sat, I expect more of the same.

And for you boys holding out hope on him, look, I hope too. But did you see those freaking interceptions? It's like the defenders were invisible to him.

I am still encouraged with some aspects of the D, even though I'm expecting more. Who the hell knows? Sat will go a long way toward at least telling us what we are capable of as a team.

If I'm Muschamp, I make Harris beat us with his arm. If it takes 10 in the box most of the game, I sell out to hold Fournette under 150 and Harris under 100 on the edges. And that will be an accomplishment.
Title: Re: Thoughts - Week 2
Post by: AUChizad on September 14, 2015, 12:48:23 PM
I'm a benefit-of-the-doubt giving motherfucker right now.  We should roll a DII team and snooze through the process.  As pointed out, however, this DII school is loaded with former SEC players with legitimate skill. 

Barge and Gonzalez made some absolute circus catches despite good coverage.  There were some busts, but that is to be expected with a backfield full of true frosh.  The story on the DBs in the preseason has been proven correct: talented starters, but woefully thin on experience behind them.  The youngsters showed obvious improvement as they got comfortable in the game and they earned some valuable live action experience.  Expect this group to be improved in Baton Rouge with the return of Countess and (presumably) Matthews.

The LBs have been frustratingly out of sync: Cass is playing like a man possessed and Frost is running wild and over pursuing the plays.  I noticed that Darrell Williams (he's our defensive #4, right?) was getting big chunks of playing time in the 2nd half.

The interior D-Line has been getting good push.  Monty Adams and Devonte Lambert are frequent visitors in the opposition's backfield.  Kennion is a non-factor at End/Buck and Cowart is showing flashes of dominance at the same positions but he can't play consistently for some reason.  Is it possible that while we recognize his high level of play, we are totally underestimating Lawson's value to our defensive line and, by extension, our defense as a whole?  Are we beholden to one player's presence? 

I submit that the fundamentals of this defensive unit are far superior to those under Johnson in that we're breaking down and tackling like actual football players and not launching at the ball like a SCUD fired from the top of a sand dune somewhere.  I trust the coaching on that side of the ball and feel like we're going to see this group become a team strength sooner rather than later.

This is where I'm supposed to consider the offense by wailing and gnashing and what not.  I won't.  Jeremy's well-documented fuck-ups are disturbing and, hopefully, fixable.  We've seen him perform at a high level, against elite competition and excel.  He can do this, but it's up to the coaches to figure out how to get him focused again.  It would also be optimal if his wide receivers would not drop the rare ball that is thrown on target.  When your QB is struggling but he finally puts one on the money, you have to make the play.  All of that said, White needs some warm-up time shortly after kickoff.  Just in case.

The receivers are mostly performing well and there were some instances of excellent blocking for the run game yesterday.  Of the entire group Louis looks most like the guy who came to play.  The aforementioned drops are presumably curable since we've seen most of this group display good-to-elite pass catching ability.

I'm not sure why there is any debate as to who has shown the most potential as the starting running back.  Give Peyton Barber the ball and watch him grind yards.  The guy reminds me of Tre Mason in his low pads and propensity to fall forward for an extra 2-3 yards per carry.  Mix Roc in for sweeps and wheel routes (loved seeing that play again...shades of Ronnie Brown), but let Barber carry the load.  Kerryon Johnson was impressive for a young guy and looks like he could be Corey Grant 2.0.

Finally, the O-line deserves some mention.  While not the road-grading force that was expected, yesterday appeared to be a live-action experiment.  There was lots of rotation at each position (with Braden Smith playing at least 2 positions) and I have to think that wasn't a panicked decision, that there was forethought to that much substitution.  The lack of consistency and chemistry led to unsteady run blocking and pass blocking that often found someone rolling around Jeremy's feet, preventing a decent plant.  Hopefully, this was a calculated risk against an assumed foregone win.  If the O-line is, in fact, as unsettled as it appeared to be, then they are in serious trouble in Baton Rouge.

I think the opponent was underestimated, the offense in flux and the defense undermanned.  It was a perfect storm which was weathered by the good guys.  LSU might tear us a new asshole, but they're going to have to show up and try.
I'm still catching up, but this is a way better articulated version of what I struggled to throw together in the other thread. :cheers:

I think the only difference is you are a bit more optimistic on Johnson's chances of promptly getting his shit together than I. I'm not saying it's impossible, but at this point I'm not expecting it.
Title: Re: Thoughts - Week 2
Post by: Kaos on September 14, 2015, 12:54:30 PM
Here is the good news Imma gonna lay on you. We won't be 2012 bad! Rejoice brothers and sisters!

You're just saying this because:
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BTW? Toledo would rip JSU two new assholes.
Title: Re: Thoughts - Week 2
Post by: WiregrassTiger on September 14, 2015, 01:45:22 PM
You're just saying this because:
(http://i1.wp.com/gamedayr.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/Screen-Shot-2015-09-12-at-7.52.03-PM.png?resize=360%2C280)

BTW? Toledo would rip JSU two new assholes.
And you didn't know AU would need OT to defeat Jax State. Shows what you know.
Title: Re: Thoughts - Week 2
Post by: CCTAU on September 14, 2015, 02:50:57 PM
As I stated before, it looks like plug and play with JJ. I'm not sure they changed one thing in the off season. The only thing that changes is JJ don't run.

We are in trouble if that does not change.

Once again, they changed the offense more for last year's Arky game than they have al off season!