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Pat Dye Field => War Damn Eagle => Topic started by: AUChizad on November 28, 2011, 01:02:33 PM
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Since it's more likely due to him leaving on his own accord, and in the opinion of this island, would be the better change.
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I would like to see Gus.
If he doesn't hang around we could do worse than following his tree and going with Greg Peterson at Tulsa. He's had good success at Tulsa and Colorado State and was tutored under Bill Snyder at Kansas State.
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I would like to see Gus.
If he doesn't hang around we could do worse than following his tree and going with Greg Peterson at Tulsa. He's had good success at Tulsa and Colorado State and was tutored under Bill Snyder at Kansas State.
Agree on Gus. Don't know anything about Peterson.
Chad Morris (Clemson).
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Since it's more likely due to him leaving on his own accord, and in the opinion of this island, would be the better change.
The reason you are on that island alone is because our offense has only been inept one year out of 3. Whereas defense has gotten progressively worse since Roof's arrival.
Total Defense:
Year Rank
2011 78th (405.5 YAPG) [79th in scoring defense allowing 29.33 ppg]
2010 60th (368.4 YAPG) [53rd in scoring defense allowing 24.1 ppg]
2009 68th (374.4 YAPG) [76th in scoring defense allowing 27.5 ppg]
2008 29th (317.8 YAPG) [14th in scoring defense allowing 18.0 ppg] Tubs Last Year
While on the Offensive side
Total Offense
Year Rank
2011 104th (328.2 YPG) [82nd in scoring offense 24.3 ppg]
2010 7th (499.2 YPG) [7th in scoring offense 41.2 ppg]
2009 16th (431.8 YPG) [17th in scoring offense 33.3 ppg]
2008 104th (302.2 YPG) [111th in scoring offense 17.3 ppg] Tubs LY
This alone leads me to believe it is more likely a personnel issue on the offensive side and a coaching issue on the defensive.
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Agree on Gus. Don't know anything about Peterson.
Chad Morris (Clemson).
I went with the smaller school guy, Clemson looks like they are starting to be willing to pay to play so we might not be able to lure Morris away.
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Why not give Luper a shot at OC? How about the guy at Okie State, Monken? Their O is a thing of beauty. Call me crazy but I would love to see Al Borgess come back.
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Call me crazy but I would love to see Al Borgess come back.
He would need more Jimmies and Joes though.
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Prattville High School's OC. He's young but it's a chance to catch a real up-and-comer before the Bammers get in on him. :poke:
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He would need more Jimmies and Joes though.
When he had Jimmies and Joes he was scary good.
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Why not give Luper a shot at OC? How about the guy at Okie State, Monken? Their O is a thing of beauty. Call me crazy but I would love to see Al Borgess come back.
Okie State is pretty much running the Air Raid, a la Mumme, Leach, Franklin, Holgerson. You really want that back here?
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#1 choice - Gus
#2 choice - Nallsmeinger.
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#2 choice - Nallsmeinger.
:haha:
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Okie State is pretty much running the Air Raid, a la Mumme, Leach, Franklin, Holgerson. You really want that back here?
If it runs like it does out there, then yes.
My first choice wouldn't be him, but he is a hot name right now.
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If it runs like it does out there, then yes.
My first choice wouldn't be him, but he is a hot name right now.
There are those that claim it can't be run that way in the SEC. Gimmick offense they call it.
I haven't seen much of it, but I hear coaches going on and on about what Mazzone has done with his version of the spread at Arizona St. They are 25th and 26th in Total, and Scoring offense, but in a conference that plays no defense.
I also wouldn't mind Borges coming back.
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Jason Phillips (Offensive Coordinator - Wide Receivers) University of Houston
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When he had Jimmies and Joes he was scary good.
He's not too shabby with a shoelace either.
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There are those that claim it can't be run that way in the SEC. Gimmick offense they call it.
I haven't seen much of it, but I hear coaches going on and on about what Mazzone has done with his version of the spread at Arizona St. They are 25th and 26th in Total, and Scoring offense, but in a conference that plays no defense.
I also wouldn't mind Borges coming back.
I was serious about that.
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Jason Phillips (Offensive Coordinator - Wide Receivers) University of Houston
Another offense that is pretty much pure Air Raid. And, by the way, I'm not disagreeing with you, or the suggestion on the guy from Okie St., just pointing out what they are, and you know what comes if you hire guys like that.
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I was serious about that.
ok?
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I think JR should be the next OC.
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I think JR should be the next OC.
He would be the highest paid debater in the SEC.
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Prattville High School's OC. He's young but it's a chance to catch a real up-and-comer before the Bammers get in on him. :poke:
Really. A guy who wins due to overwhelming talent and NOT scheme nor play calling?
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Really. A guy who wins due to overwhelming talent and NOT scheme nor play calling?
Central has about 3-4 D 1 prospects and 7-8 lesser Dvision prospects. And Prattville made them look like a private school Friday night. The score difference was greater than the talent difference. They have talent but they also have swagger and they know they are badass. Thats what I saw. I know I know, different topic.
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Central has about 3-4 D 1 prospects and 7-8 lesser Dvision prospects. And Prattville made them look like a private school Friday night. The score difference was greater than the talent difference. They have talent but they also have swagger and they know they are badass. Thats what I saw. I know I know, different topic.
It's better than the one we've been discussing.
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I think JR should be the next OC.
I don't think it would work out very well.
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ok?
Are you asking why I was serious about that?
Borgess can run an O that can score and also milk a clock and not look anemic. He has proven he can tutor a QB. He had a good balance of run and pass. He knows what he has and plays to those strengths. The guy has done a good job everywhere he has coached other than two stops and one was for one year at Cal and the other was a couple of years at IU and I don't know that the offense was the reason those teams lost. I didn't get the hate for him in 07. We still managed somewhere around 300 to 350 ypg if I remember correctly.
That was just a weird year. We lost to USF after we turned the ball over 5 times and had a gun shy QB. I literally saw him duck when he threw a pass and no one was within 10 yards of him. Turn around the next week and turn the ball over 5 more times. Bad passes and fumbles I don't blame on the OC. That's on the players. We then went to LSU and got screwed on a spot that was so bad even the announcers couldn't hide it. The dude slid a yard and they tacked on another one to give LSU the first down and then LSU had an illegal shift that wasn't called resulting in a TD that Tubs blew up on. They also connected on a perfect pass and catch with time running out. Borgess called a good enough game to win that for us. UGA was ugly that year and we turned the ball over 4 times and let them score over 40. Can't blame him for that either.
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Are you asking why I was serious about that?
Borgess can run an O that can score and also milk a clock and not look anemic. He has proven he can tutor a QB. He had a good balance of run and pass. He knows what he has and plays to those strengths. The guy has done a good job everywhere he has coached other than two stops and one was for one year at Cal and the other was a couple of years at IU and I don't know that the offense was the reason those teams lost. I didn't get the hate for him in 07. We still managed somewhere around 300 to 350 ypg if I remember correctly.
That was just a weird year. We lost to USF after we turned the ball over 5 times and had a gun shy QB. I literally saw him duck when he threw a pass and no one was within 10 yards of him. Turn around the next week and turn the ball over 5 more times. Bad passes and fumbles I don't blame on the OC. That's on the players. We then went to LSU and got screwed on a spot that was so bad even the announcers couldn't hide it. The dude slid a yard and they tacked on another one to give LSU the first down and then LSU had an illegal shift that wasn't called resulting in a TD that Tubs blew up on. They also connected on a perfect pass and catch with time running out. Borgess called a good enough game to win that for us. UGA was ugly that year and we turned the ball over 4 times and let them score over 40. Can't blame him for that either.
I think he said Ok because he was serious too...he said he also wouldn't mind having Gorgeous Borges back.
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Are you asking why I was serious about that?
Borgess can run an O that can score and also milk a clock and not look anemic. He has proven he can tutor a QB. He had a good balance of run and pass. He knows what he has and plays to those strengths. The guy has done a good job everywhere he has coached other than two stops and one was for one year at Cal and the other was a couple of years at IU and I don't know that the offense was the reason those teams lost. I didn't get the hate for him in 07. We still managed somewhere around 300 to 350 ypg if I remember correctly.
That was just a weird year. We lost to USF after we turned the ball over 5 times and had a gun shy QB. I literally saw him duck when he threw a pass and no one was within 10 yards of him. Turn around the next week and turn the ball over 5 more times. Bad passes and fumbles I don't blame on the OC. That's on the players. We then went to LSU and got screwed on a spot that was so bad even the announcers couldn't hide it. The dude slid a yard and they tacked on another one to give LSU the first down and then LSU had an illegal shift that wasn't called resulting in a TD that Tubs blew up on. They also connected on a perfect pass and catch with time running out. Borgess called a good enough game to win that for us. UGA was ugly that year and we turned the ball over 4 times and let them score over 40. Can't blame him for that either.
Borges is west coast. Its a nice medium IMHO. I liked the guy. Thought Tubs messed that one up. In more ways than one.
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He would be the highest paid debater in the SEC.
...a master debater even.
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Are you asking why I was serious about that?
Borgess can run an O that can score and also milk a clock and not look anemic. He has proven he can tutor a QB. He had a good balance of run and pass. He knows what he has and plays to those strengths. The guy has done a good job everywhere he has coached other than two stops and one was for one year at Cal and the other was a couple of years at IU and I don't know that the offense was the reason those teams lost. I didn't get the hate for him in 07. We still managed somewhere around 300 to 350 ypg if I remember correctly.
That was just a weird year. We lost to USF after we turned the ball over 5 times and had a gun shy QB. I literally saw him duck when he threw a pass and no one was within 10 yards of him. Turn around the next week and turn the ball over 5 more times. Bad passes and fumbles I don't blame on the OC. That's on the players. We then went to LSU and got screwed on a spot that was so bad even the announcers couldn't hide it. The dude slid a yard and they tacked on another one to give LSU the first down and then LSU had an illegal shift that wasn't called resulting in a TD that Tubs blew up on. They also connected on a perfect pass and catch with time running out. Borgess called a good enough game to win that for us. UGA was ugly that year and we turned the ball over 4 times and let them score over 40. Can't blame him for that either.
I was asking why you felt the need to tell me that. I was serious in agreeing with you on Borges. No explanation needed. Borges is a good an OC as there is out there, but like all offenses, when the talent was lacking, so was the production, and he was the scape goat.
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I figured most would see it as a joke when I posted it since we have been down that road once.
See I disagree with the production part. Not his fault at all that in 3 of the 4 loses that year his players turned the ball over 4 and 5 times a game. As good as our Defense was, take away those turnovers and we were at worst 11-2. If not for a couple of bad calls in another we knock LSU off their perch and go 12-1 with the only loss to UGA. Like I said, just a weird year and he was the one that got axed.
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I was asking why you felt the need to tell me that. I was serious in agreeing with you on Borges. No explanation needed. Borges is a good an OC as there is out there, but like all offenses, when the talent was lacking, so was the production, and he was the scape goat.
Plus, like Franklin, he was railroaded and wasnt allowed to do his thing.
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I figured most would see it as a joke when I posted it since we have been down that road once.
See I disagree with the production part. Not his fault at all that in 3 of the 4 loses that year his players turned the ball over 4 and 5 times a game. As good as our Defense was, take away those turnovers and we were at worst 11-2. If not for a couple of bad calls in another we knock LSU off their perch and go 21-1 with the only loss to UGA. Like I said, just a weird year and he was the one that got axed.
21-1 huh?
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Central has about 3-4 D 1 prospects and 7-8 lesser Dvision prospects. And Prattville made them look like a private school Friday night. The score difference was greater than the talent difference. They have talent but they also have swagger and they know they are badass. Thats what I saw. I know I know, different topic.
They finally started playing as a team instead of a bunch of individuals about 6 games ago. No one has come close to them in the playoffs. They have so much talent, the hard part is getting it all on the field. Their downfall is that they have too much swagger and not enough humility. It brings out the worst in the officiating. I just hope we do not have a replay of 2 years ago when the officials actually made a difference in the outcome. Hopefully they will take advantage of the replay system.
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...a master debater even.
Now that I think about it, I don't they make enough challenge flags to make him feel comfortable.