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BIRMINGHAM, Alabama -- Ole Miss coach Houston Nutt said his inability to sign Auburn cornerback Jermaine Whitehead offers a good example of why he opposes the SEC's new rule limiting 25 signees per class. The limit had briefly been 28 players and was changed due to concerns about oversigning.
"Gene Chizik came in and stole my man Jermaine Whitehead," Nutt said during a speech today at the Monday Morning Quarterback Club in Birmingham. "I asked Gene, 'Now Gene, you didn't even have a home visit.' It must be nice to hold up that crystal ball. Hold up a crystal ball and get one of my best players."
Whitehead, a Mississippi native whose development this season has been praised by Chizik, was a four-star recruit last winter. At one time, Whitehead said he was committed to Mississippi State.
Nutt, who is often criticized for oversigning, said Whitehead was committed to Ole Miss for a month-and-a-half up to the final week before Signing Day.
"He took my hand and said, 'Coach Nutt, I'm coming to play for you,'" Nutt said. "I took his word!"
Whitehead visited Auburn in the fall for the Tigers' game against Georgia. Then on the final weekend before Signing Day, he visited Auburn again.
"Jermaine didn't go on Friday. He left Saturday," Nutt said. "We stayed in his house until 10 o'clock on Friday night, the last weekend before Signing Day saying, 'I know he's not going to Auburn now.' Wake up, starting to get nervous because Monday and Tuesday before Signing Day and now he doesn't call. He won't answer my call."
Finally, Whitehead told Nutt he was going to sign with Auburn. Nutt described the conversation this way:
"Jermaine: 'Coach, I gotta go to Auburn.'"
"Why? Why would you go to Auburn? They already won their title. They already have the crystal ball. They don't need you. I need you."
"Coach, it's business."
"Business? You shook my hand, man! You said you were committed to me!"
"I know, Coach. I'm sorry."
Nutt said the point of the Whitehead story is there's now less flexibility for coaches to fill a recruit's spot if the player changes his mind late. "What if something happens like Gene Chizik comes in and takes Jermaine Whitehead?" he said.
Nutt acknowledged several times during the speech the perception that he is on "the hot seat" and said his past two recruiting classes are strong. Nutt said former coach Ed Orgeron left him with talented veterans, but that his last two classes weren't as good.
The Rebels have a 2-3 record, including a blowout loss to Vanderbilt, after a 4-8 record in 2010. Ole Miss went 9-4 in each of his first two seasons, including two wins in the Cotton Bowl.
"My Cotton Bowl victories are in the rear-view mirror," Nutt said. "They don't talk about 'em no more. So every now and then I've got to bring 'em up. Every now and then. But I know you're only as good as your last one."
If Nutt had his way, he said he wouldn't have scheduled a cross-country game at Fresno State over the weekend.
"We're closer to UAB, we're closer to Memphis," Nutt said. "But I don't get to make the schedule. Next year we're gonna play Texas. Whew. I don't mind playing one (tough game), one out of four. But I'll tell you, when you play BYU and Fresno at Fresno, come on. I want to keep my job, y'all."
Ole Miss has a bye this week before playing Alabama and Nick Saban on Oct. 15 in Oxford.
"I wish Alabama was more towards later on down the season, or if like they even wanted a bye," Nutt said, drawing huge laughs from a largely pro-Alabama crowd. "I mean, come on, Nick. You know what Nick can say? Nick can say, 'Next.' When you can say 'next' and then 'next,' you got it. They've got a good team. He can say it on the defensive line. Those guys in the trenches, they can dominate you and they can intimidate you. They can do both. That's the steps we're trying to take."
E-mail: jsolomon@bhamnews.com
Twitter: twitter.com/jonsol
Related topics: Houston Nutt, Jermaine Whitehead, Nick Saban, Ole Miss Rebels
http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2011/10/houston_nutt_whitehead_choosin.html
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Is it me, or does this article having nothing to do with oversigning?
It is me, or does this article seem to only exist to say that Chizik got a last second recruit who told Houston Nutt that it was "business" that led him to Auburn?
Black helicopters.
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Did he just compare playing in Texas to having to travel to Fresno and BYU in terms of level of difficulty?
Hey, Nutt, those were your easy games!
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Did he just compare playing in Texas to having to travel to Fresno and BYU in terms of level of difficulty?
Hey, Nutt, those were your easy games!
Another problem with that is he said "we're" playing Texas next year. Unless they keep him on as a consultant...
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Is it me, or does this article having nothing to do with oversigning?
It is me, or does this article seem to only exist to say that Chizik got a last second recruit who told Houston Nutt that it was "business" that led him to Auburn?
Black helicopters.
That's about all I got from it.
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That crab pinching son-of-a-bitch is nuttier than a squirrel's turd.
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That crab pinching son-of-a-bitch is nuttier than a squirrel's turd.
Nuttier than a squirrel's turd?
I like it
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Is it me, or does this article having nothing to do with oversigning?
It is me, or does this article seem to only exist to say that Chizik got a last second recruit who told Houston Nutt that it was "business" that led him to Auburn?
Black helicopters.
That and another coach singing the praises of Nick Saban.
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I can't believe that Nutt actually said that shit.
It's called recruiting. If you don't like it, then don't coach. Which probably won't be a problem after this season anyway.
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That and another coach singing the praises of Nick Saban.
At first I was like - "Wha u talkin' bout?"
Then I actually finished the article, and yes, Solomon did throw in a quote to help him suck Saban's choad.
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At first I was like - "Wha u talkin' bout?"
Then I actually finished the article, and yes, Solomon did throw in a quote to help him suck Saban's choad.
Any article "written" by Solomon ends in the same fashion.
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Look a the related topics he put on there. What a fuckwad.
BTW, Finebaum already spun this as "Auburn takes another player away from a Mississippi school and the recruit says it's 'business.' What do you think that means. Business means some kind of transaction, right?"
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Look a the related topics he put on there. What a fuckwad.
BTW, Finebaum already spun this as "Auburn takes another player away from a Mississippi school and the recruit says it's 'business.' What do you think that means. Business means some kind of transaction, right?"
How many times have we heard a recruit saying that Chizik's staff is family and fun, while Saban, on the other hand is strictly business?
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The funny part is Jermaine Whitehead was actually a Mississippi State commit. So, basically he was crying about not being able to fill their need at CB after a MSU commit decided to sign with Auburn...He's a fuckin piece of trash.
http://auburn.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1184240
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How many times have we heard a recruit saying that Chizik's staff is family and fun, while Saban, on the other hand is strictly business?
Dead serious here. You certainly have to think less of Hank Jr's rant after reading Nutt's...right? His last name is oh-so-fitting.
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That's about all I got from it.
I didn't even get that from it, until y'all mentioned it. I take it the phrase "it's business" will be spun to mean he got paid?
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The funny part is Jermaine Whitehead was actually a Mississippi State commit. So, basically he was crying about not being able to fill their need at CB after a MSU commit decided to sign with Auburn...He's a fuckin piece of trash.
http://auburn.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1184240
Kid was a Miss St. recruit and had, according to Nutt, promised to switch to Ole Miss on signing day.
Nutt gets mad because the kid switches at the last minute...but to Auburn.
:facepalm:
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Kid was a Miss St. recruit and had, according to Nutt, promised to switch to Ole Miss on signing day.
Nutt gets mad because the kid switches at the last minute...but to Auburn.
:facepalm:
I think they call that hypocrisy.
That whiney little bitch.
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http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2011/10/its_past_time_for_houston_nutt.html
It's past time for Houston Nutt to let Auburn freshman Jermaine Whitehead go
Published: Wednesday, October 05, 2011, 5:05 AM
Kevin Scarbinsky, Birmingham News
BIRMINGHAM, Alabama - Poor Houston Nutt.
Eight months after Signing Day, and he's still complaining about losing Jermaine Whitehead to Auburn.
As if a freshman cornerback could've prevented Mississippi's late collapse against BYU, its 23-point road loss at Vanderbilt and its 14-point home defeat against Georgia.
Oh, well.
When your evangelical appeal has eroded faster at Ole Miss than it did at Arkansas, and it's obvious you have no answers for an eight-game SEC losing streak with Alabama on the horizon, the best form of defense is attack.
Nutt's latest comments on Whitehead, at the Monday Morning Quarterback Club in Birmingham, would be comical if they weren't so reckless and unprofessional.
Cleverly couched as an attack on the SEC's new 25-signee limit - a cap originally inspired by his own 37-man signing class in 2009 - Nutt managed to question the integrity of both an 18-year-old Auburn freshman and the entire Auburn program.
"Gene Chizik came in and stole my man Jermaine Whitehead," Nutt said.
His man? Really? Whitehead made only one public verbal commitment early in the recruiting process - to Dan Mullen and Mississippi State.
Nutt said that Whitehead was committed to him for a month and a half leading up to Signing Day, but just days before, The Birmingham News, Jackson Clarion-Ledger and Rivals.com all described Whitehead as a Mississippi State commitment who was likely to switch and choose between Ole Miss and Auburn.
A national recruiting analyst for Rivals.com wrote this about Whitehead the day before Signing Day: "He is essentially the last of the big-name commitments to Dan Mullen who will flip. Auburn appears to have all the momentum here."
Why? Another four-star cornerback prospect, Marcus Roberson, had just switched his latest commitment from Auburn to Florida, creating an opening for Whitehead to sign with the Tigers.
Kevin Scarbinsky is a columnist for The Birmingham News. His column is published on Sunday, Tuesday, Wednesday and Friday.
Nutt said Monday that Chizik didn't even take an in-home visit to see Whitehead. He didn't say that Whitehead had visited Auburn at least three times: for the 2010 Big Cat weekend, with his parents, for the 2010 Georgia game and for his last official visit the weekend before Signing Day.
Nutt said Monday that Whitehead told him later that he had to go to Auburn. Why? He said Whitehead told him, "Coach, it's business."
Business? Whether Nutt meant it this way or not, that's code for, "Auburn cheated." There's no other way to read it given the actual events of the last year and the still-unproven speculation they set off about Auburn's recruitment of Cam Newton and beyond.
Nutt using the word "business" to describe Whitehead's motivation was unfair to Whitehead and Auburn. If Nutt thinks that Auburn cheated to sign Whitehead, he should come right out and say it or let the whole thing go. If Nutt merely thinks that Auburn flexed its muscle as the national champion to flip a recruit that was committed to him, and he's still moaning about it 11 months later, he's a hypocrite.
He didn't mind signing running back Enrique Davis in 2008, even though Davis had signed in 2007 with Auburn and Tommy Tuberville, who expected him to return after a year at Hargrave Military Academy. Nutt also didn't mind pursuing Whitehead, who had committed to Mississippi State.
Chizik was asked Tuesday about Nutt's comments on Whitehead. "I'm trying to beat Arkansas," Chizik said. "I don't worry about all these outside distractions."
In short, Chizik handled the situation like a professional. Nutt should try that approach next time.
One more thing on the subject of commitment. Someone should remind Nutt that, behind the scenes, according to people close to him, he expressed interest in the Alabama job after Mike Shula left and the Auburn job after Tuberville departed. Nutt's interest in the Auburn job came after he'd been at Ole Miss for only one year.
Judging by the performance of both Nick Saban and Chizik, it's safe to say that neither Alabama nor Auburn has any regrets about Nutt. Can Ole Miss say the same?
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Boom goes the dynamite.
In short, Chizik handled the situation like a professional. Nutt should try that approach next time.
One more thing on the subject of commitment. Someone should remind Nutt that, behind the scenes, according to people close to him, he expressed interest in the Alabama job after Mike Shula left and the Auburn job after Tuberville departed. Nutt's interest in the Auburn job came after he'd been at Ole Miss for only one year.
Judging by the performance of both Nick Saban and Chizik, it's safe to say that neither Alabama nor Auburn has any regrets about Nutt. Can Ole Miss say the same?
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Hopefully, that's gonna' leave a mark.
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http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2011/10/its_past_time_for_houston_nutt.html
I heard that Scarbinsky was head of Never to Yield...any truth??
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I heard that Scarbinsky was head of Never to Yield...any truth??
74% true.
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74% true.
He's 3/4 sure about that.
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He's 3/4 sure about that.
Well almost.
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One more thing on the subject of commitment. Someone should remind Nutt that, behind the scenes, according to people close to him, he expressed interest in the Alabama job after Mike Shula left and the Auburn job after Tuberville departed.
That made me both joyous at the "what could have been's" had that crazy motherfucker been at Turdville, and nauseated at how Auburn dodged a bullet, all at the same time.
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That made me both joyous at the "what could have been's" had that crazy motherfucker been at Turdville, and nauseated at how Auburn dodged a bullet, all at the same time.
What's scary is that when Shula left, I would have been OK with Nutt. I stated numerous times when the Saban rumors came up that there was no way in hell Saban would even consider coaching at Alabama. Looking back at some of the people we were hoping for (Rich Rodriquez, Spurrier, Nutt?, etc), Alabama most certainly dodged a bullet. As fans, we were desperate for anybody that came close to looking like they knew what the fuck they were doing.
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What's scary is that when Shula left, I would have been OK with Nutt. I stated numerous times when the Saban rumors came up that there was no way in hell Saban would even consider coaching at Alabama. Looking back at some of the people we were hoping for (Rich Rodriquez, Spurrier, Nutt?, etc), Alabama most certainly dodged a bullet. As fans, we were desperate for anybody that came close to looking like they knew what the fuck they were doing.
I have no real skreetz, but have heard that Yella Fella was pimping Nutt hard at the end of Tub's gig. Whew! And, BTW, I think Nutt is entertaining, and not nearly as bad a coach as some haters think, but I wouldn't want him at Auburn.
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I think Nutt is entertaining,
He absolutely is....at someone else's program.
and not nearly as bad a coach as some haters think
Then you're simply willfully blind to the facts.
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Then you're simply willfully blind to the facts.
What facts? I didn't say great coach. Just not as bad as some think.
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What facts? I didn't say great coach. Just not as bad as some think.
If you are getting run from Ole Miss with those expectations, you are indeed a bad corch.
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If you are getting run from Ole Miss with those expectations, you are indeed a bad corch.
ok
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No?
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If you are getting run from Ole Miss with those expectations, you are indeed a bad corch.
I think he is a bad coach now. He has lost it for some reason or another.
I don't think he was this bad of a coach at Arkansas. I DO NOT think he would remotely fit in at Auburn.
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I think he is a bad coach now. He has lost it for some reason or another.
I don't think he was this bad of a coach at Arkansas. I DO NOT think he would remotely fit in at Auburn.
Teressa Pruitt would agree with you.
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No?
If you noticed in my post that started this I said "..but I wouldn't want him at Auburn." Thus, it's just not worth the effort to debate it.
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I think he is a bad coach now. He has lost it for some reason or another.
I don't think he was this bad of a coach at Arkansas. I DO NOT think he would remotely fit in at Auburn.
^^THIS!
You can't completely suck as a coach and win the SECW at a place like Ark, or win 9 games 2 years straight at a place like Ole Miss.
I do think he's lost it. I think he'd do great if he went to a job like where Terry Bowden is, and got to be a football coach, and not a CEO and face of a high profile program. There's lots of really good football coaches that are not even remotely cut out to e Div 1 BCS level coaches.
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Teressa Pruitt would agree with you.
I didn't say he was sane or ethical.
He typically averaged 8-9 wins at Arky and a top 25 finish without top 25 talent. Most, at the time, considered him to be one of the coaches (along with Tubs and Ferentz at Iowa) who got a lot out of players. Something has happened since then. He even won 18 games his first 2 years at Ole Miss. If you could win 9 games a year at Ole Miss over your whole career that would probably be considered a success. I'm not saying Nutt is a good or great coach by ANY means. I just don't think he's always been as bad as he is right now. I'm not sure what the hell happened the last 2-3 years. Maybe the chickens are coming home to roost, maybe it's karma. Who knows. But yeah, right now - he's pretty bad.
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Nutt showed interest in Auburn, not the other way around....Thank GAWD!!!
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Nutt showed interest in Auburn, not the other way around....Thank GAWD!!!
skreetz
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skreetz
He's doin' em' right
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^^THIS!
You can't completely suck as a coach and win the SECW at a place like Ark, or win 9 games 2 years straight at a place like Ole Miss.
I do think he's lost it. I think he'd do great if he went to a job like where Terry Bowden is, and got to be a football coach, and not a CEO and face of a high profile program. There's lots of really good football coaches that are not even remotely cut out to e Div 1 BCS level coaches.
I really wonder what happened with Spurrier. It's like he could never get bank in sync with the college game after he left it.
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I really wonder what happened with Spurrier. It's like he could never get bank in sync with the college game after he left it.
You don't think being at USCe has anything to do with it do you?
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You don't think being at USCe has anything to do with it do you?
Yes and no. While USCe isn't exactly a recruiting honey hole, a coach like Spurrier should have been able to do something halfway decent with mediocre to good talent. They were about on par with Alabama before Saban, really.
He's become a figurehead, and nothing more.
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You don't think being at USCe has anything to do with it do you?
My take. He has no QB and hasn't been able to land one since he's been there. Anyone recall our last trip to Columbia? Auburn had to hold on for dear life and if we hadn't kept the ball for the ENTIRE 3rd quarter, we would have lost that game. The point though, is that USCe had a QB who wasn't the greatest thing since sliced bread but he was athletic, had a decent arm and knew where Sidney Rice was at all times. The offense was fast paced and fairly wide open.
Saturday, I honestly wondered who was running the offense. It appears that they have decided Lattimore is 75% of our offense. We're going to pound him over and over and hope we can trust Garcia to pop the occasional play action to Alshon. Maybe that's the smartest thing to do and yes, we as Auburn fans, were raised on that philosophy. But, Spurrier has had great backs before and he never ran anything remotely like the conservative style he's running now.
Not an X's and O's guy. Any of you see a difference?
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a coach like Spurrier should have been able to do something halfway decent with mediocre to good talent.
You don't think he has? I mean, yeah, the balance of power in the SEC has shifted to the West, and UF, UT, and UGA were down last year, but I think he's getting on average 7 or 8 wins a season. I'd qualify that has "decent."
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You don't think he has? I mean, yeah, the balance of power in the SEC has shifted to the West, and UF, UT, and UGA were down last year, but I think he's getting on average 7 or 8 wins a season. I'd qualify that has "decent."
Winning the East last year (and beating RWS's team) qualifies them as "decent".
Add a QB to that team (i.e. Lattimore, Jeffrey, Ingram, Taylor, Sanders, Gilmore, Clowney), and they would be serious.
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Winning the East last year (and beating RWS's team) qualifies them as "decent".
Add a QB to that team (i.e. Lattimore, Jeffrey, Ingram, Taylor, Sanders, Gilmore, Clowney), and they would be serious.
Just because they beat my team last year doesn't mean they're decent. Alabama shouldn't have lost to them. Case in point, they went out and lost to KENTUCKY the very next week. Other than beating Alabama, USCe did not beat a worth a shit team last season. UF may be an arguable win, but last year UF's biggest accomplishment was beating a 7-6 Penn State in the Outback Bowl. Believe me, I should be pumping them up to be world beaters last year since they beat Alabama, remember? They just weren't all that great. Alabama should have punked them just like AU and Arky did. Last season qualified them as a middle of the pack team that found some luck.
They are averaging 7 wins a year. They're averaging middle of the pack in the SECE. That's 6 years into Spurrier's term. The scary thing is, last year may have been their peak. The deal with them EVERY year is "Well, they just need this piece of the puzzle." Or that piece of the puzzle. They've needed a QB for 3 years. It's not like Garcia all of a sudden started sucking. Arkansas, UF, Clemson, and possibly UT will beat them this season.
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You don't think being at USCe has anything to do with it do you?
He has never liked to recruit, and he never had to worry about doing much recruiting with his system at Florida. Now, 9 of 12 SEC schools are running a similar offense.
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Just because they beat my team last year doesn't mean they're decent. Alabama shouldn't have lost to them. Case in point, they went out and lost to KENTUCKY the very next week. Other than beating Alabama, USCe did not beat a worth a shit team last season. UF may be an arguable win, but last year UF's biggest accomplishment was beating a 7-6 Penn State in the Outback Bowl. Believe me, I should be pumping them up to be world beaters last year since they beat Alabama, remember? They just weren't all that great. Alabama should have punked them just like AU and Arky did. Last season qualified them as a middle of the pack team that found some luck.
They are averaging 7 wins a year. They're averaging middle of the pack in the SECE. That's 6 years into Spurrier's term. The scary thing is, last year may have been their peak. The deal with them EVERY year is "Well, they just need this piece of the puzzle." Or that piece of the puzzle. They've needed a QB for 3 years. It's not like Garcia all of a sudden started sucking. Arkansas, UF, Clemson, and possibly UT will beat them this season.
I love when people say that...
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I love when people say that...
It's in the sense that Alabama has better players, and better coaches (overall). Don't get me wrong here, USCe put foot to ass and earned that win 100%. I'm not saying they just backed into that win. They certainly played better than Alabama. Looking at the overall picture, though, they shouldn't have won. Alabama had everything in their favor. Bottom line, Alabama lost to a lesser team.
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I love when people say that...
I normally would agree with you here AWK, but Garcia had a career day. 19 out of 20 times, the guy goes full tard like he did against us. If he goes full tard against Bama last year, the game probably isn't even close.
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I normally would agree with you here AWK, but Garcia had a career day. 19 out of 20 times, the guy goes full tard like he did against us. If he goes full tard against Bama last year, the game probably isn't even close.
He did go full-tard on them. Do you not remember him kicking the ball out of the endzone for a safety when he could have easily fallen on it and taken a simple sack and punted?
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Yes and no. While USCe isn't exactly a recruiting honey hole, a coach like Spurrier should have been able to do something halfway decent with mediocre to good talent. They were about on par with Alabama before Saban, really.
He's become a figurehead, and nothing more.
You don't win without talent. Saban couldn't win consistently at Vanderbilt. They don't get the numbers of quality players to win it all. He's done better than any other.
That said, I've heard some coaches comment that Spurrier has been reluctant to get with the times, change anything he does, and use the more modern concepts. That could be true. There's a saying among coaches..."Be better, or be different". If you don't have better talent, you better be doing something new and cutting edge to give them a chance. He has USCe talent, running his offense that's been in the SEC since 1990.
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Just because they beat my team last year doesn't mean they're decent. Alabama shouldn't have lost to them. Case in point, they went out and lost to KENTUCKY the very next week. Other than beating Alabama, USCe did not beat a worth a shit team last season. UF may be an arguable win, but last year UF's biggest accomplishment was beating a 7-6 Penn State in the Outback Bowl. Believe me, I should be pumping them up to be world beaters last year since they beat Alabama, remember? They just weren't all that great. Alabama should have punked them just like AU and Arky did. Last season qualified them as a middle of the pack team that found some luck.
They are averaging 7 wins a year. They're averaging middle of the pack in the SECE. That's 6 years into Spurrier's term. The scary thing is, last year may have been their peak. The deal with them EVERY year is "Well, they just need this piece of the puzzle." Or that piece of the puzzle. They've needed a QB for 3 years. It's not like Garcia all of a sudden started sucking. Arkansas, UF, Clemson, and possibly UT will beat them this season.
Your case in point is stupid. Doesn't matter if they went out the next week and beat the 78 Steelers or lost to Slippery Rock.
They didn't "get lucky" and beat Bama, they straight up whipped their ass.
Go fuck a goat.
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Just because they beat my team last year doesn't mean they're decent. Alabama shouldn't have lost to them. Case in point, they went out and lost to KENTUCKY the very next week. Other than beating Alabama, USCe did not beat a worth a shit team last season. UF may be an arguable win, but last year UF's biggest accomplishment was beating a 7-6 Penn State in the Outback Bowl. Believe me, I should be pumping them up to be world beaters last year since they beat Alabama, remember? They just weren't all that great. Alabama should have punked them just like AU and Arky did. Last season qualified them as a middle of the pack team that found some luck.
They are averaging 7 wins a year. They're averaging middle of the pack in the SECE. That's 6 years into Spurrier's term. The scary thing is, last year may have been their peak. The deal with them EVERY year is "Well, they just need this piece of the puzzle." Or that piece of the puzzle. They've needed a QB for 3 years. It's not like Garcia all of a sudden started sucking. Arkansas, UF, Clemson, and possibly UT will beat them this season.
Nobody ever beats bammer...bammer gives it away? Spurrier has lost it, but coached up inferior talent to beat the all world team? You talk out of both sides of your mouth. There's a reason that, no matter who the opponent, they still actually tee it up and play the game.
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He did go full-tard on them. Do you not remember him kicking the ball out of the endzone for a safety when he could have easily fallen on it and taken a simple sack and punted?
Yeah, he did do that but his stat line that day has yet to be duplicated by him.
17/20 201 yds 3 TD's
Compare that to what he did this past Saturday.
9/23 160 yds 1 TD (jumpball to Jeffries) 2 INTs
Dude basically became Superman for a day, played over his head and had a career game against Bama. Not trying to play devils advocate and side with RWS or anything. Just saying Garcia is schizo, and on that day he happened to play an almost perfect game.
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Nobody ever beats bammer...bammer gives it away? Spurrier has lost it, but coached up inferior talent to beat the all world team? You talk out of both sides of your mouth. There's a reason that, no matter who the opponent, they still actually tee it up and play the game.
And there is a reason they call some wins for a team an "upset". Because they aren't supposed to win. ULM didn't have superior talent or coaching when they beat Alabama. If you ask anybody other than Prowler, Utah St. beating AU would have been an upset. You can't convince me they have superior talent or coaching. UK coming from 18 points behind and beating USCe the week after the cocks beat Bama is an upset.
Like I said before, USCe put foot to ass that day. They certainly earned the win. Alabama didn't just hand them the win. That was probably the best game Garcia has played in his entire collegiate career. Yes, Spurrier has lost it. That was arguably his best win......and that was 5 years into his tenure. It took his team 5 years to become halfass relevant in the SEC, and still get their asses beat down in a SECCG.
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It's in the sense that Alabama has better players, and better coaches (overall). Don't get me wrong here, USCe put foot to ass and earned that win 100%. I'm not saying they just backed into that win. They certainly played better than Alabama. Looking at the overall picture, though, they shouldn't have won. Alabama had everything in their favor. Bottom line, Alabama lost to a lesser team.
You're a dumb ass...
I think Alabama should never play a game again since they are better than everyone else. We should just automatically award Alabama the national championship and then everyone else can play the games for second...
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This is Spurrier's last chance to train his son. If they are somewhat successful, his son will be able to get another job.
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If you ask anybody other than Prowler, Utah St. beating AU would have been an upset.
Ask this guy
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You're a dumb ass...
I think Alabama should never play a game again since they are better than everyone else. We should just automatically award Alabama the national championship and then everyone else can play the games for second...
Ok, so I just want to make sure we're clear here.....
Auburn = Utah State
Auburn is comparable to Florida Atlantic
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And there is a reason they call some wins for a team an "upset". Because they aren't supposed to win. ULM didn't have superior talent or coaching when they beat Alabama. If you ask anybody other than Prowler, Utah St. beating AU would have been an upset. You can't convince me they have superior talent or coaching. UK coming from 18 points behind and beating USCe the week after the cocks beat Bama is an upset.
Like I said before, USCe put foot to ass that day. They certainly earned the win. Alabama didn't just hand them the win. That was probably the best game Garcia has played in his entire collegiate career. Yes, Spurrier has lost it. That was arguably his best win......and that was 5 years into his tenure. It took his team 5 years to become halfass relevant in the SEC, and still get their asses beat down in a SECCG.
Your team gets beat by lesser teams when the lesser team's coach prepares his team better than your lord sabenz and his staff. Simple concept. Talent usually wins out unless it gets out coached. And I dont mean this ridiculous notion of play calling on Sat., I mean all fucking week leading up to the game.
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Ok, so I just want to make sure we're clear here.....
Auburn = Utah State
Auburn is comparable to Florida Atlantic
You're digging your dumbass hole deeper.
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Ok, so I just want to make sure we're clear here.....
Auburn = Utah State
Auburn is comparable to Florida Atlantic
You're a dumb ass...
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They are averaging 7 wins a year. They're averaging middle of the pack in the SECE. That's 6 years into Spurrier's term. The scary thing is, last year may have been their peak. The deal with them EVERY year is "Well, they just need this piece of the puzzle." Or that piece of the puzzle. They've needed a QB for 3 years. It's not like Garcia all of a sudden started sucking. Arkansas, UF, Clemson, and possibly UT will beat them this season.
From 1961-2004, USC was averaging 5.97 wins a year. In 6 years, Spurrier has been averaging 7.33. Lou Holtz (99-04) was averaging 5.5 wins a year.
Of the 16 bowls that USC has gone to in it's History, 5 have come under Steve Spurrier.
He's more than "decent."
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From 1961-2004, USC was averaging 5.97 wins a year. In 6 years, Spurrier has been averaging 7.33. Lou Holtz (99-04) was averaging 5.5 wins a year.
Of the 16 bowls that USC has gone to in it's History, 5 have come under Steve Spurrier.
He's more than "decent."
Let me respond bammer style: How many championships has he won there?
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You're a dumb ass...
I think Alabama should never play a game again since they are better than everyone else. We should just automatically award Alabama the national championship and then everyone else can play the games for second...
You listened to the Tider Insider radio show didn't you? That was the consistent take the entire time I could force myself to listen to it.
"Rodney, has ya EVUR seed a team sah DOM-E-NENT? I gotta say this prolly the best team since mebbe 1978 when Bahr coached them boys."
No *insert caller name here* it's been a long time since I've seen a team this thoroughly dominant on both sides of the ball. There's nobody in the country that can stay on the field with them, they're just that good. Saban, blah blah blah...
"Weyull, I don't thank Vanderbilk can even score a point do yew?"
I think Vandy can be competitive. For a short while. I'm calling it mercifully 31-0. Probably won't try to score after the half.
"November 5 is the nashaneel champyunship game, ain't it Rodney?"
I really don't think LSU's offense can do anything against this defense. And nobody has been able to stop Trent Richardson for three years. If both teams hold serve it will get the buildup, but I don't really see it as two equals. There's Alabama and then there's everybody else. This is a team that's been dominant for a long time. Dominant in every decade. That's not going to change....
Then I started vomiting.
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Your team gets beat by lesser teams when the lesser team's coach prepares his team better than your lord sabenz and his staff. Simple concept. Talent usually wins out unless it gets out coached. And I dont mean this ridiculous notion of play calling on Sat., I mean all fucking week leading up to the game.
My point is simply that 1 game is not indicative of a program's status over a 5 year span. Last season was Spurrier's best at USCe, and he got pistol whipped in the SECCG, and lost his bowl game. And that was probably his peak.
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My point is simply that 1 game is not indicative of a program's status over a 5 year span. Last season was Spurrier's best at USCe, and he got pistol whipped in the SECCG, and lost his bowl game. And that was probably his peak.
Agreed. I think he has a D to keep him in every game. And in fact, enough kick ass athletes like Ingram and Clowney on that side of the ball to win some games on D alone. But, that offense was frickin' anemic. Yes, I'm proud of our D and I think they had a part in making them look that way. But what on earth would make anyone scared of that offense? Lattimore and Alshon are big time playas but if all you're going to do is pound him up the middle and occasionally launch one to Jeffreys.....hell, even Auburn can adjust to that.
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My point is simply that 1 game is not indicative of a program's status over a 5 year span. Last season was Spurrier's best at USCe, and he got pistol whipped in the SECCG, and lost his bowl game. And that was probably his peak.
And that's better than has EVER been done there.
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Of the 16 bowls that USC has gone to in it's History, 5 have come under Steve Spurrier.
The more important statistic here is, how many has he won?
He has won 1 bowl game at USCe. Against Houston. And he barely won. Troy has been to 3 bowl games in the past 5 years. All it takes is 6 wins nowadays.
Just sayin.
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And that's better than has EVER been done there.
Relative to the SEC East then and now, they're still middle of the pack to next to last. It just depends on what kind of season Kentucky has every year. Vandy is normally dead last in the East, then UK and USCe take turns in the next to last spot. They are exactly where they were when Holtz was the coach, in that respect. It's great that Spurrier has taken them bowling every year, but they lose nearly every time. Oh, they finally made it to the SECCG? Oh yeah, they got fucked up there too. All Spurrier has to show is a better yearly average by 1-2 games, only to get beaten in their bowl game.
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I was pulling for FSU against the Pricks. First, because the Noles are my 2nd favorite team. Plus, I've rarely encountered a bigger group of douchebombs than the Prick fans at the SECCG. That was before the game. I didn't see any when the clock hit 00:00.
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The more important statistic here is, how many has he won?
He has won 1 bowl game at USCe. Against Houston. And he barely won. Troy has been to 3 bowl games in the past 5 years. All it takes is 6 wins nowadays.
Just sayin.
I'm not arguing his success in bowl games, just that he's more than "decent."
He's, in my opinion, the second best coach the SEC has had in the past 50 years. Even with what he does at USC.
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I'm not arguing his success in bowl games, just that he's more than "decent."
He's, in my opinion, the second best coach the SEC has had in the past 50 years. Even with what he does at USC.
Well, he may be the second best, but he's a distant second to Bowden.
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Relative to the SEC East then and now, they're still middle of the pack to next to last. It just depends on what kind of season Kentucky has every year. Vandy is normally dead last in the East, then UK and USCe take turns in the next to last spot. They are exactly where they were when Holtz was the coach, in that respect. It's great that Spurrier has taken them bowling every year, but they lose nearly every time. Oh, they finally made it to the SECCG? Oh yeah, they got fucked up there too. All Spurrier has to show is a better yearly average by 1-2 games, only to get beaten in their bowl game.
You just don't fucking get it.