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Title: What would it take?
Post by: wesfau2 on January 16, 2024, 12:16:20 PM
How much is too much with this guy?  What will it take for the GOP to dump him?  How about the rank and file R voters?

“The fact that Mr. Trump sexually abused — indeed, raped — Ms. Carroll has been conclusively established…”


https://twitter.com/KatiePhang/status/1747114477797966331

RAPIST.  The guy was found, after the evidence was presented, to be a goddamned RAPIST.
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: WiregrassTiger on January 16, 2024, 12:51:56 PM
How much is too much with this guy?  What will it take for the GOP to dump him?  How about the rank and file R voters?

“The fact that Mr. Trump sexually abused — indeed, raped — Ms. Carroll has been conclusively established…”


https://twitter.com/KatiePhang/status/1747114477797966331

RAPIST.  The guy was found, after the evidence was presented, to be a goddamned RAPIST.
You sure say rape a lot.
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: Kaos on January 16, 2024, 02:25:52 PM
How much is too much with this guy?  What will it take for the GOP to dump him?  How about the rank and file R voters?

“The fact that Mr. Trump sexually abused — indeed, raped — Ms. Carroll has been conclusively established…”


https://twitter.com/KatiePhang/status/1747114477797966331

RAPIST.  The guy was found, after the evidence was presented, to be a goddamned RAPIST.

Riiiiiiight. 

You are so full of bullshit you see in monotone brown. 

Meanwhile the Grifter In Chief rolls on, wearing his tiger-print underwear while he wanders the halls of the White House, searching for a teenage daughter or grand-daughter to drag into the shower with him. 

JFC.
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: Snaggletiger on January 16, 2024, 02:50:31 PM
In the "I Did Not Know" Political arena, this quote from Nikki Haley:

"Joy Reid lives in a different America than I do," Haley told Brian Kilmeade Tuesday. "I mean, yes, I'm a brown girl that grew up in a small rural town in South Carolina who became the first female minority governor in history, who became a U.N. ambassador and who is now running for president. If that's not the American dream, I don't know what is."

Obviously, I wasn't paying attention, or I need prescription glasses.  Nikki Haley is brown people?

Now, back to The Donald grabbin' em' right in the pussy.
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: wesfau2 on January 16, 2024, 02:57:34 PM
In the "I Did Not Know" Political arena, this quote from Nikki Haley:

"Joy Reid lives in a different America than I do," Haley told Brian Kilmeade Tuesday. "I mean, yes, I'm a brown girl that grew up in a small rural town in South Carolina who became the first female minority governor in history, who became a U.N. ambassador and who is now running for president. If that's not the American dream, I don't know what is."

Obviously, I wasn't paying attention, or I need prescription glasses.  Nikki Haley is brown people?

Now, back to The Donald grabbin' em' right in the pussy.

It was a big part of her story in the beginning.  Her name is Nimrata and she used to tell stories about her family experiencing racism in SC (ie - her dad getting shit for wearing a turban).

Once you go national, though, you gotta lose the ethnicity.  Jesus, one GOP voter in Iowa just said that he couldn't vote for Vivek (who is Indian) because of 9/11.

Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: Kaos on January 16, 2024, 03:05:46 PM
In the "I Did Not Know" Political arena, this quote from Nikki Haley:

"Joy Reid lives in a different America than I do," Haley told Brian Kilmeade Tuesday. "I mean, yes, I'm a brown girl that grew up in a small rural town in South Carolina who became the first female minority governor in history, who became a U.N. ambassador and who is now running for president. If that's not the American dream, I don't know what is."

Obviously, I wasn't paying attention, or I need prescription glasses.  Nikki Haley is brown people?

Now, back to The Donald grabbin' em' right in the pussy.

1> Her name isn't Nikki Haley.  It's Nimarata Randhawa. 
2> Haley is her married name, Nikki is the nickname she selected for herself.
3> Her parents are Punjab Indians who moved to Canada then to SC
4> She's "brown" when it serves her purposes

Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: Snaggletiger on January 16, 2024, 03:07:02 PM
It was a big part of her story in the beginning.  Her name is Nimrata and she used to tell stories about her family experiencing racism in SC (ie - her dad getting shit for wearing a turban).

Once you go national, though, you gotta lose the ethnicity.  Jesus, one GOP voter in Iowa just said that he couldn't vote for Vivek (who is Indian) because of 9/11.

That was just the guys at work. They would take punjabs at him, because he was always calling in Sikh.


Bada bing.  Thanks, I'll be here all week.
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: Snaggletiger on January 16, 2024, 03:11:55 PM
Well, I would still put my dick in her butt.

Mmmm....Nimarata butt secks!
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: WiregrassTiger on January 16, 2024, 03:45:34 PM
In the "I Did Not Know" Political arena, this quote from Nikki Haley:

"Joy Reid lives in a different America than I do," Haley told Brian Kilmeade Tuesday. "I mean, yes, I'm a brown girl that grew up in a small rural town in South Carolina who became the first female minority governor in history, who became a U.N. ambassador and who is now running for president. If that's not the American dream, I don't know what is."

Obviously, I wasn't paying attention, or I need prescription glasses.  Nikki Haley is brown people?

Now, back to The Donald grabbin' em' right in the pussy.
I did not know that Haley understands the plight of the African and American. You do know that I half understand it? The bottom half of me, anyway.

I sure do wish the Donald would stop grabbing bitches by the pussy and raping Wes. There’s zero chance of pulling ‘24 off if he keeps this shit up.
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: Kaos on January 16, 2024, 03:46:12 PM
Well, I would still put my dick in her butt.

Mmmm....Nimarata butt secks!

As long as she's not president, I don't care what you do to her.
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: Snaggletiger on January 16, 2024, 04:01:17 PM
As long as she's not president, I don't care what you do to her.

That would be Presidential butt secks in the Oval Orifice.
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: Kaos on January 16, 2024, 04:09:33 PM
That would be Presidential butt secks in the Oval Orifice.

We've seen enough of that...
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: CCTAU on January 16, 2024, 05:04:27 PM
Riiiiiiight. 

You are so full of bullshit you see in monotone brown. 

You could have stopped here. Leftists are in lockstep. They repeat the same lane bullshit over and over. Did you see where msnbc and cnn would not even show Trumps Iowa victory comments? The elites on the left are becoming desperate
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: wesfau2 on January 16, 2024, 06:27:52 PM
You could have stopped here. Leftists are in lockstep. They repeat the same lane bullshit over and over. Did you see where msnbc and cnn would not even show Trumps Iowa victory comments? The elites on the left are becoming desperate

Desperate...for what?  Covering his "comments" is just splicing together every grievance rant he's ever droned on...he's got no material.  Fuck's sake, he thinks he won Iowa twice.

But, please, expound on why this guy continues to receive your support.  I am honestly curious what would it take to disqualify him in your eyes?
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: WiregrassTiger on January 16, 2024, 06:58:53 PM
Desperate...for what?  Covering his "comments" is just splicing together every grievance rant he's ever droned on...he's got no material.  Fuck's sake, he thinks he won Iowa twice.

But, please, expound on why this guy continues to receive your support.  I am honestly curious what would it take to disqualify him in your eyes?
I’m answering this for CTE. Because he is the best president in the history of America.
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: Kaos on January 16, 2024, 07:02:37 PM
Desperate...for what?  Covering his "comments" is just splicing together every grievance rant he's ever droned on...he's got no material.  Fuck's sake, he thinks he won Iowa twice.

But, please, expound on why this guy continues to receive your support.  I am honestly curious what would it take to disqualify him in your eyes?

Definitely not trumped up (pun!) horseshit. 
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: War Damn Six on January 16, 2024, 08:25:07 PM
If anyone supports either of the two party candidates, you’re idiots. I realize one will be elected but both of the worst choices.
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: WiregrassTiger on January 16, 2024, 08:56:32 PM
If anyone supports either of the two party candidates, you’re idiots. I realize one will be elected but both of the worst choices.
AUChizad! I thought that was you! What up my homie?
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: wesfau2 on January 16, 2024, 10:01:28 PM
If anyone supports either of the two party candidates, you’re idiots. I realize one will be elected but both of the worst choices.

Argue the merits of their politics, sure, but the two candidates are NOTHING ALIKE.  One is flatly telling you he will be a dictator.  He didn't want to leave office the first time (despite losing spectacularly)... Do you think he'll go gentle into that goodnight next time?  He represents the actual, literal end of our democracy and those who support him are dangerously misled.
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: WiregrassTiger on January 16, 2024, 10:13:37 PM
Argue the merits of their politics, sure, but the two candidates are NOTHING ALIKE.  One is flatly telling you he will be a dictator.  He didn't want to leave office the first time (despite losing spectacularly)... Do you think he'll go gentle into that goodnight next time?  He represents the actual, literal end of our democracy and those who support him are dangerously misled.
I would respectfully argue that those who don’t support him represent the literal ones who suck the cock on a regular basis. Not just an every once and a while suck.
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: chinook on January 16, 2024, 11:58:27 PM
Argue the merits of their politics, sure, but the two candidates are NOTHING ALIKE.  One is flatly telling you he will be a dictator.  He didn't want to leave office the first time (despite losing spectacularly)... Do you think he'll go gentle into that goodnight next time?  He represents the actual, literal end of our democracy and those who support him are dangerously misled.

the second is a dictator and doesn't know who's office he's in.  he represents the actual opposite literal end of our democracy and those who support him are dangerously misled.   
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: Kaos on January 17, 2024, 08:10:14 AM
Argue the merits of their politics, sure, but the two candidates are NOTHING ALIKE.  One is flatly telling you he will be a dictator.  He didn't want to leave office the first time (despite losing spectacularly)... Do you think he'll go gentle into that goodnight next time?  He represents the actual, literal end of our democracy and those who support him are dangerously misled.

You are a brainwashed, deluded loon. 
I truly and honestly pity you.   

Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: Kaos on January 17, 2024, 08:18:14 AM
If anyone supports either of the two party candidates, you’re idiots. I realize one will be elected but both of the worst choices.

Support? 

I’d prefer to have better candidates.  We don’t have that option and haven’t in decades. 

In that case, you have to objectively choose the better of the choices presented.  When one is an incestous pedophile who is corrupt to the core, whose social policies are immoral and fractious, whose foreign policy is an unmitigated disaster, whose border policy undermines the safety and security of the nation, and whose mental decline is starkly obvious?   Gotta roll the dice.

I cannot support globalist agenda.  So whoever is on the other side of that, even if it’s Nic Cage with Travolta as a running mate … and their slogan is “tomatoes for all” my faith in America would cause me to vote for them. 

I saw something elsewhere that sort of sums it up for me.  Chemotherapy is unpleasant and can be painful.  But when the alternative is cancer and a grueling death?
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: wesfau2 on January 17, 2024, 09:31:27 AM
the second is a dictator and doesn't know who's office he's in.  he represents the actual opposite literal end of our democracy and those who support him are dangerously misled.   

If you think there is a shred of equivalency between these two candidates (and I'm not a Biden "fan") then you are detached from reality.
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: Snaggletiger on January 17, 2024, 09:51:39 AM
An excerpt from a piece by Dan Gainor, that's very telling in my view.

Journalism is in chaos. It is an industry where only a tiny percentage of people dare hold different political opinions and more than 60% of journalists think the news business is going in the "wrong direction." Don’t take my word for it. Take theirs.

More than 1,600 journalists responded to a survey from Syracuse University’s Newhouse School of Public Communications and the results are damning. Only 3.4% of U.S. journalists claim to be Republicans, with another 36.4% saying they’re Democrats. That’s more than 10 times more Democrats than Republicans. Or at least the ones who will admit they are on the left.

More than half (51.7%) call themselves "independents" and another 8.5% "other." Journalists have been getting these survey questions for more than 50 years and they have grown savvier. Many carefully list themselves in those other categories to avoid being called biased. So, just keep that 3.4% number in mind. Out of all journalists.

Or let’s give the real number – 96.6% are not Republicans.

That’s how Russiagate and Russian collusion get rammed down the throats of the American public like the scandal really happened. (Hint: It didn’t.)
That’s how they cover for a president who is barely coherent much of the time and lies constantly about his family, his accomplishments and his past.
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: WiregrassTiger on January 17, 2024, 10:08:41 AM
An excerpt from a piece by Dan Gainor, that's very telling in my view.

Journalism is in chaos. It is an industry where only a tiny percentage of people dare hold different political opinions and more than 60% of journalists think the news business is going in the "wrong direction." Don’t take my word for it. Take theirs.

More than 1,600 journalists responded to a survey from Syracuse University’s Newhouse School of Public Communications and the results are damning. Only 3.4% of U.S. journalists claim to be Republicans, with another 36.4% saying they’re Democrats. That’s more than 10 times more Democrats than Republicans. Or at least the ones who will admit they are on the left.

More than half (51.7%) call themselves "independents" and another 8.5% "other." Journalists have been getting these survey questions for more than 50 years and they have grown savvier. Many carefully list themselves in those other categories to avoid being called biased. So, just keep that 3.4% number in mind. Out of all journalists.

Or let’s give the real number – 96.6% are not Republicans.

That’s how Russiagate and Russian collusion get rammed down the throats of the American public like the scandal really happened. (Hint: It didn’t.)
That’s how they cover for a president who is barely coherent much of the time and lies constantly about his family, his accomplishments and his past.
TL;DR
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: wesfau2 on January 17, 2024, 10:09:20 AM
An excerpt from a piece by Dan Gainor, that's very telling in my view.

Journalism is in chaos. It is an industry where only a tiny percentage of people dare hold different political opinions and more than 60% of journalists think the news business is going in the "wrong direction." Don’t take my word for it. Take theirs.

More than 1,600 journalists responded to a survey from Syracuse University’s Newhouse School of Public Communications and the results are damning. Only 3.4% of U.S. journalists claim to be Republicans, with another 36.4% saying they’re Democrats. That’s more than 10 times more Democrats than Republicans. Or at least the ones who will admit they are on the left.

More than half (51.7%) call themselves "independents" and another 8.5% "other." Journalists have been getting these survey questions for more than 50 years and they have grown savvier. Many carefully list themselves in those other categories to avoid being called biased. So, just keep that 3.4% number in mind. Out of all journalists.

Or let’s give the real number – 96.6% are not Republicans.

That’s how Russiagate and Russian collusion get rammed down the throats of the American public like the scandal really happened. (Hint: It didn’t.)
That’s how they cover for a president who is barely coherent much of the time and lies constantly about his family, his accomplishments and his past.

Sigh...for a guy who "doesn't get his news from Fox", every article or talking head you reference is from that outlet.  You know, the one that had to admit it was lying to it viewership knowingly.

Having a political opinion is natural for any person.  Professionals can remove themselves from the story and do the work.

Still, no one has answered the question: is being adjudged, by a jury, a rapist disqualifying for Trump, and if not, why?
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: WiregrassTiger on January 17, 2024, 10:15:24 AM
If you think there is a shred of equivalency between these two candidates (and I'm not a Biden "fan") then you are detached from reality.
ok, you’ve almost convinced me. But before I follow, tell me what it is about you that demonstrates why I should listen to you tell me who to vote for. Are you really as smart as Hank Johnson?
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: Kaos on January 17, 2024, 10:19:54 AM
If you think there is a shred of equivalency between these two candidates (and I'm not a Biden "fan") then you are detached from reality.

There isn’t. 

Biden is a globalist puppet. 
Trump is an “America first” nationalist. 

If those are the two choices? That’s all I will ever need to know.
 
None of the pejoratives you’ve flung at him have any basis in reality. That cinches it for me.  Your unhinged derangement convinces me that there may be no other path.
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: Kaos on January 17, 2024, 10:22:15 AM
Sigh...for a guy who "doesn't get his news from Fox", every article or talking head you reference is from that outlet.  You know, the one that had to admit it was lying to it viewership knowingly.

Having a political opinion is natural for any person.  Professionals can remove themselves from the story and do the work.

Still, no one has answered the question: is being adjudged, by a jury, a rapist disqualifying for Trump, and if not, why?


Fake. Fucking. News. 

Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: wesfau2 on January 17, 2024, 10:36:52 AM
Detached.  From.  Fucking.  Reality. 

“The finding that Ms. Carroll failed to prove that she was ‘raped’ within the meaning of the New York Penal Law does not mean that she failed to prove that Mr. Trump ‘raped’ her as many people commonly understand the word ‘rape,’ ” Kaplan wrote.

He added: “Indeed, as the evidence at trial recounted below makes clear, the jury found that Mr. Trump in fact did exactly that.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/07/19/trump-carroll-judge-rape/
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: WiregrassTiger on January 17, 2024, 10:52:37 AM
Detached.  From.  Fucking.  Reality. 

“The finding that Ms. Carroll failed to prove that she was ‘raped’ within the meaning of the New York Penal Law does not mean that she failed to prove that Mr. Trump ‘raped’ her as many people commonly understand the word ‘rape,’ ” Kaplan wrote.

He added: “Indeed, as the evidence at trial recounted below makes clear, the jury found that Mr. Trump in fact did exactly that.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/07/19/trump-carroll-judge-rape/
You’re going to keep it up until you wind up getting raped, again.
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: Kaos on January 17, 2024, 11:00:34 AM
Detached.  From.  Fucking.  Reality. 

“The finding that Ms. Carroll failed to prove that she was ‘raped’ within the meaning of the New York Penal Law does not mean that she failed to prove that Mr. Trump ‘raped’ her as many people commonly understand the word ‘rape,’ ” Kaplan wrote.

He added: “Indeed, as the evidence at trial recounted below makes clear, the jury found that Mr. Trump in fact did exactly that.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/07/19/trump-carroll-judge-rape/

Washington Post opinion. 

Worthless as yesterday’s fish sandwich. 

Do better. 
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: wesfau2 on January 17, 2024, 11:14:21 AM
Quotes, attribution...fuck's sake this is why I gave up on you.  You're a lost fucking cause.  Sad, really.
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: Kaos on January 17, 2024, 11:19:40 AM
Quotes, attribution...fuck's sake this is why I gave up on you.  You're a lost fucking cause.  Sad, really.

Do better, meathead. 

Quotes, attribution that equal an OPINION.

Believe what you want.  I'll just rest here on the banking records of a proven criminal, the plethora of photos of his son doing drugs and raping underage girls,  the diary of his daughter who provides a first person account in sickening detail of this man assaulting her as a child, the despicable desertion of American troops and assets in foreign countries.... and I could go on.

You sit over there clutching your pearls over a fraudulent accusation and a desperate witch hunt.
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: Snakebite on January 17, 2024, 12:00:16 PM

Do better, meathead. 

Quotes, attribution that equal an OPINION.

Believe what you want.  I'll just rest here on the banking records of a proven criminal, the plethora of photos of his son doing drugs and raping underage girls,  the diary of his daughter who provides a first person account in sickening detail of this man assaulting her as a child, the despicable desertion of American troops and assets in foreign countries.... and I could go on.

You sit over there clutching your pearls over a fraudulent accusation and a desperate witch hunt.

This.  I am not going to join in on any rallies or marches in the name of Trump.  However, the timing of shit being flung at him is always impeccable.  Proven dishonesty of MSM where unsubstantiated rumors of Russian collusion drummed up by the Clinton campaign, and then trying to force it down the American public's collective ear holes as truth killed any credibility they had.  It's The Boy who Cried Wolf.

Between the 2 candidates we are forced to accept as options, I'll take the dick head over the guy that forgot how to spell dick head.  Unless a video surfaces of Trump getting his rape on, he is innocent until proven guilty.  This is the American way. 
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: Snaggletiger on January 17, 2024, 12:11:58 PM
Sigh...for a guy who "doesn't get his news from Fox", every article or talking head you reference is from that outlet.  You know, the one that had to admit it was lying to it viewership knowingly.

Having a political opinion is natural for any person.  Professionals can remove themselves from the story and do the work.

Still, no one has answered the question: is being adjudged, by a jury, a rapist disqualifying for Trump, and if not, why?

I swore off all the cable "News" networks over a year ago.  I'm talking on-air personalities who don't present actual news, only opinions, which are 100% biased, regardless which network you choose. I still look at their web page because that's different altogether.  Yes, you still get the random opinion piece, but for the most part, it's like today:

One of the Royals having surgery
Colts owner found unresponsive
Iran bombed Pakistan
Boy fatally shoots dad
Girl who survived sex cult

 As for Fox News, a network created solely to be the lone conservative voice in the media, yes, they knew they were pushing the election fraud narrative, and got their asses handed to them for it. Deservedly so. Problem is, networks like CNN, MSNBC, CBS, NBC and on and on...have no repercussions for, as the opinion piece put it, ramming Russiagate and Russian collusion down our throats, which was an outright, unmitigated lie, and threw this country into turmoil.   

But, who is going to hold them accountable? When the overwhelming majority of the media is pushing the same narrative, and it's proven to be a complete lie, it's just a big, "Oh well, let's move on to something else.  Hey, Trump didn't denounce white supremacy."  Another lie.

The point being, when only 3.4% of 1,600 admit to being Republican, and over 10X that are Dems, you have a bias problem. If that's not the case, and you don't watch or read anything from Fox, tell me honestly, where was the last outlet you read anything painting conservatives in a positive light?  It wasn't from any of those "independents."

As for Trump....Do...Not...Want.
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: wesfau2 on January 17, 2024, 12:13:58 PM


Between the 2 candidates we are forced to accept as options, I'll take the dick head over the guy that forgot how to spell dick head.  Unless a video surfaces of Trump getting his rape on, he is innocent until proven guilty.  This is the American way.

Fuck's sake.  He's not just "a dick head."  He's a walking felony.  The video standard you're espousing isn't the way our legal system works.  A jury heard the evidence and rendered a verdict.  He is guilty.

There isn't a single shred of evidence of the "biden family crime syndicate" or you'd never get relief from the hard evidence on every news outlet.  The GOP isn't interested in fact finding, or they'd let Hunter testify in public as he repeatedly offers to do so.

There IS, however, hard evidence that Trump took $8MM from China while sitting in the Oval Office, in flagrant violation of the emoluments clause (not to mention the goddamned bribery hotel he was running).


Problem is, networks like CNN, MSNBC, CBS, NBC and on and on...have no repercussions for, as the opinion piece put it, ramming Russiagate and Russian collusion down our throats, which was an outright, unmitigated lie, and threw this country into turmoil. 

Not a lie at all.  Substantiated with testimony and evidence.  Y'all really have to broaden your information sources.
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: Kaos on January 17, 2024, 12:17:00 PM
This.  I am not going to join in on any rallies or marches in the name of Trump.  However, the timing of shit being flung at him is always impeccable.  Proven dishonesty of MSM where unsubstantiated rumors of Russian collusion drummed up by the Clinton campaign, and then trying to force it down the American public's collective ear holes as truth killed any credibility they had.  It's The Boy who Cried Wolf.

Between the 2 candidates we are forced to accept as options, I'll take the dick head over the guy that forgot how to spell dick head.  Unless a video surfaces of Trump getting his rape on, he is innocent until proven guilty.  This is the American way.

I saw him speak at an event in Florida.  The person I saw there bore only a passing resemblance to the person the media portrays in the snippets they chose to provide.  I've seen a lot of politicians speak over the years, and his was as good as any.  Matched Reagan, quite honestly, and Reagan was one of the most effective orators in US history (doubt it? watch his speech after the Challenger explosion). 

I'd be happy to attend a Biden "rally" if I was able to procure one of the 12 distantly-spaced six foot wide circles that his "crowds" flock to -- and if he could string together a dozen coherent sentences. 

I'd encourage everyone to get involved. Go see Trump. Go see Biden (impossible).  Go listen to Kamala jumble an impressive collection of words she doesn't understand to say less than nothing.  Go watch Nimarata, or Ron, or Gavin, or anyone who's running so you can see for yourself what they're about. 

But actually listen to what they say, evaluate their position relative to your own moral compass and beliefs, and then choose which of those best represents your beliefs and dreams for this country. 

Or you can spout talking points from NPR, MSNBC, CNN, Fox, or some other controlled propaganda service and remain in the dark - where the ubiquitous they want you to remain. 

Take a few minutes to research the Trusted News Initiative:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_News_Initiative  Do a little more digging and discover that all "local news" is almost completely owned by a very small handful of companies, all of which regurgitate the same slanted talking points - in almost exactly the same verbiage - to guide the thinking of bleating sheep.  You know, the ones possessed by Trump derangement. 
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: Kaos on January 17, 2024, 12:23:57 PM
Fuck's sake.  He's not just "a dick head." 1.  He's a walking felony.  The video standard you're espousing isn't the way our legal system works.  A jury heard the evidence and rendered a verdict.  He is guilty.

2. There isn't a single shred of evidence of the "biden family crime syndicate" or you'd never get relief from the hard evidence on every news outlet.  The GOP isn't interested in fact finding, or they'd 3. let Hunter testify in public as he repeatedly offers to do so.

4. There IS, however, hard evidence that Trump took $8MM from China while sitting in the Oval Office, in flagrant violation of the emoluments clause (not to mention the goddamned bribery hotel he was running).


Not a lie at all.  Substantiated with testimony and evidence.  Y'all really have to broaden your information sources.

That has to be a record. 

Four MSM lies spouted as fact in one post. 

1. Absolute fucking lie
2. Ridiculously EGREGIOUS lie.  So absolutely fucktarded it defies belief. No sane human being could express this particular lie with a straight face.
3. Another lie. Just a flat out load of horseshit.
4. LAUGHABLE!  Completely made up in absolute desperation and the most pathetic attempt at obfuscation I've ever seen. 

I have greatly misjudged your intelligence or vastly underestimated your gullibility.  I never imagined you to be the biggest bleating sheep that has ever trod. 

It's disgraceful, really.  I didn't think this kind of brainwashing existed outside being strapped to a chair and having fingernails pulled out. 
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: Snaggletiger on January 17, 2024, 12:30:20 PM
Fuck's sake.  He's not just "a dick head."  He's a walking felony.  The video standard you're espousing isn't the way our legal system works.  A jury heard the evidence and rendered a verdict.  He is guilty.

There isn't a single shred of evidence of the "biden family crime syndicate" or you'd never get relief from the hard evidence on every news outlet.  The GOP isn't interested in fact finding, or they'd let Hunter testify in public as he repeatedly offers to do so.

There IS, however, hard evidence that Trump took $8MM from China while sitting in the Oval Office, in flagrant violation of the emoluments clause (not to mention the goddamned bribery hotel he was running).


Not a lie at all.  Substantiated with testimony and evidence.  Y'all really have to broaden your information sources.

Fuck sake, man. Robert Mueller would like a word with you.
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: Snakebite on January 17, 2024, 12:34:45 PM
Fuck's sake.  He's not just "a dick head."  He's a walking felony.  The video standard you're espousing isn't the way our legal system works.  A jury heard the evidence and rendered a verdict.  He is guilty.

There isn't a single shred of evidence of the "biden family crime syndicate" or you'd never get relief from the hard evidence on every news outlet.  The GOP isn't interested in fact finding, or they'd let Hunter testify in public as he repeatedly offers to do so.

There IS, however, hard evidence that Trump took $8MM from China while sitting in the Oval Office, in flagrant violation of the emoluments clause (not to mention the goddamned bribery hotel he was running).


Not a lie at all.  Substantiated with testimony and evidence.  Y'all really have to broaden your information sources.

The video standard is answering the question of the thread for me, "What would it take?"

My goal with my personal political beliefs is to find common ground.  Not to set out to prove others wrong, or chastise them for their beliefs/who they support.  However, there is one side that is slinging shit at a disproportionate amount at the other.  Lies (proven) have been used as justification in recent history.  Please see that fact for what it is and understand why there is so much mistrust.
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: GH2001 on January 17, 2024, 12:39:02 PM
Ron, or Gavin, or anyone who's running so you can see for yourself what they're about

Said I was gonna stay out of this one and I still am as far as the debate itself goes as I consider you and Wes both good guys and friends off this board....but the above is what (to me) this race should been this year. I have watched both a lot. It is NOT what we got though, for different reasons: 

1. Joe's unwillingness to step aside for Gavin as well as Gavin not looking like he wanted to push the issue on that (although he did debate Ron on TV) either, risking having Kamala challenge for it in the event of a Dem nominee vacuum. The DNC had a tricky hand to play there.

2. Ron having an unfortunate campaign full of grifters who made some bank taking advantage of him, before him realizing this and it being too late. And not that it matters on substance but O'Reilly is right in that Ron can come off at times as boring and vanilla. Primary voters care about that in 2024.

Agree with them, or not. Like them, or not. Not the point. When I saw them debate, what I saw was two younger, smart guys, that had energy and ideas for their respective parties. Not a ton of rhetoric. Mutual respect. It was refreshing to say the least.

The fact that the primary bases of both parties and BIG NEWS have (or will have) decided for an entire country - that 2 Octogenarians are the best we have to offer for running the free world speaks volume to the amount of bread and circuses, and tribalism taking place now. That saddens me probably more than any one trait of either individual. 
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: WiregrassTiger on January 17, 2024, 12:46:22 PM
Guys, guys, what’s with the name calling?

Are we sure that Wes is a democrat? I don’t remember if he clearly stated that. I thought he could be just all fucked up in the head. Snags isn’t a democrat and he’s fucked up in the head.

If he’s for sure a democrat, then fuck ‘em and feed him fish heads. Sawed off motherfucker.
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: GH2001 on January 17, 2024, 12:48:51 PM
Guys, guys, what’s with the name calling?

Are we sure that Wes is a democrat? I don’t remember if he clearly stated that. I thought he could be just all fucked up in the head. Snags isn’t a democrat and he’s fucked up in the head.

If he’s for sure a democrat, then fuck ‘em and feed him fish heads. Sawed off motherfucker.

Wes is just a smooth mfer who likes the pussssayy. I thought you knew?
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: wesfau2 on January 17, 2024, 12:57:49 PM
That has to be a record. 

Four MSM lies spouted as fact in one post. 

1. Absolute fucking lie
2. Ridiculously EGREGIOUS lie.  So absolutely fucktarded it defies belief. No sane human being could express this particular lie with a straight face.
3. Another lie. Just a flat out load of horseshit.
4. LAUGHABLE!  Completely made up in absolute desperation and the most pathetic attempt at obfuscation I've ever seen. 

I have greatly misjudged your intelligence or vastly underestimated your gullibility.  I never imagined you to be the biggest bleating sheep that has ever trod. 

It's disgraceful, really.  I didn't think this kind of brainwashing existed outside being strapped to a chair and having fingernails pulled out.

1.  91 felony charges.  https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-indictment-total-charges-counts-2023-8

2.  The GOP's own report found no evidence of wrongdoing.  https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/10/us/politics/hunter-biden-house-republicans-report.html

3.  He's offered twice, now.  He even showed up to the hearing proceeding and the GOP ran like cockroaches from him.  https://apnews.com/article/hunter-biden-congress-republicans-investigation-subpoena-55f869ddca927941ee3b1659bed2214c

4.  At least $7.8MM.  https://www.axios.com/2024/01/04/report-trump-received-at-least-78m-in-foreign-payments-during-presidency

Again, you are detached from the real world.
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: wesfau2 on January 17, 2024, 01:01:45 PM
Fuck sake, man. Robert Mueller would like a word with you.

You, uh...you know that the Mueller report found that all the Russian interference was in service of Trump, right?  And that the entire Trump administration engaged in obstruction during the investigation.
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: wesfau2 on January 17, 2024, 01:13:48 PM
The video standard is answering the question of the thread for me, "What would it take?"


This kind of gets to what I'm asking.  You're setting a standard higher than the judicial standard.  Where does it end?  What is the rule that he isn't allowed to break?
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: Kaos on January 17, 2024, 01:20:57 PM
1.  91 felony charges.  https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-indictment-total-charges-counts-2023-8

2.  The GOP's own report found no evidence of wrongdoing.  https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/10/us/politics/hunter-biden-house-republicans-report.html

3.  He's offered twice, now.  He even showed up to the hearing proceeding and the GOP ran like cockroaches from him.  https://apnews.com/article/hunter-biden-congress-republicans-investigation-subpoena-55f869ddca927941ee3b1659bed2214c

4.  At least $7.8MM.  https://www.axios.com/2024/01/04/report-trump-received-at-least-78m-in-foreign-payments-during-presidency

Again, you are detached from the real world.
1. “Charges” mean nothing.  You know that.  Look who’s doing it.  This administration has weaponized the court system in a manner typically seen only in banana republics. 

2. NY times.  No thank you. There are no longer democrats or republicans.  There’s only one globalist party.  To suggest they found “no wrongdoing” is, however, utterly absurd.  Evidence is there and in droves for anyone with an open mind and the least amount of curiosity. 

3. Complete fabrication of what happened. You’ve swallowed the MSM spin hook, line and sinker.

4. “Report” from a left-owned rag.  Anyone with a scintilla of discernment can see through this.  It’s obfuscation. The Marxist playbook.  Accuse the opposition of doing what you’re doing.  Classic misdirection.  Like a magician.  Look over here! while the real action is somewhere else. You know this too. 

You’re never going to change my mind.  I’m not going to make you realize how wrong you are. 

There’s no point in continuing to engage you.  This is America. I think you’ve forgotten that in your blind effort to support this illegally installed globalist regime and its Christian-hating, abomination-loving policies.   You’re entitled to hold whatever opinion you want - as misguided, mal-informed, and detrimental as it may be. 

You have the right to be wrong. 
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: Kaos on January 17, 2024, 01:25:09 PM
This kind of gets to what I'm asking.  You're setting a standard higher than the judicial standard.  Where does it end?  What is the rule that he isn't allowed to break?

Let’s flip the script. 

To what depths would this country have to sink before you’d admit that this current administration and the policies it supports are destroying the country? 

I think we could pull the plug on a Trump easily if some didn’t feel as if he was the only thing standing against a complete moral and economic collapse. 

What would it take?  Haven’t you seen enough Democratic failure in your life?  Atlanta. Detroit. California. Michigan. Minnesota….it doesn’t work.  When you can accept that?  Then we’ve got something.
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: Kaos on January 17, 2024, 01:26:57 PM
You, uh...you know that the Mueller report found that all the Russian interference was in service of Trump, right?  And that the entire Trump administration engaged in obstruction during the investigation.

There was no GD Russian interference.  The only two people on the planet still barking this are you and Hillary.  Even Schumer and Pelosi gave up the scam.  FFS!! 
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: GH2001 on January 17, 2024, 01:41:31 PM
Now, you two kiss and make up. Or rub tips if thats your thing.
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: Kaos on January 17, 2024, 01:46:36 PM
Now, you two kiss and make up. Or rub tips if thats your thing.

Ain't no fight. Ain't even mad.  I just want him to think critically for a change and stop spouting debunked talking points.

He mistakenly thinks I'm some huge MAGA hat wearing, Trumper to the core.  All I'm really looking for is the best person to put the brakes on the headlong slide to hell we're experiencing as the globalists drive us to the brink of extinction.

I don't see another viable option.  I'll support whoever I think has the best chance to drive the current administration and its lackeys out of power.   
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: Snakebite on January 17, 2024, 01:53:17 PM
This kind of gets to what I'm asking.  You're setting a standard higher than the judicial standard.  Where does it end?  What is the rule that he isn't allowed to break?

Again, the timing is impeccable.  They're pursuing him for some shit that allegedly happened in the mid 90's (should've been pursued then, in the early 2000's even).  How convenient that it is coming to light when politics are involved, 3 years after he was elected the first go.

The perception of guilt was a complementary commodity with the accusation.  It stinks of Kangaroo Court as we approach another election cycle.  The relentless attacks on him further embolden his base.  Democrats would be wise to lay off and try beating him on the merits of policy.  As Snags said, it will be a FAFO come November.

What it would take for me?  Viable opposition.  I am not in the Trump camp, but he will get my vote because what we have now has made the quality of life significantly worse, on top of getting us involved in more wars.  Y'all should have propped up Robert F Kennedy, or someone in that mold that is more towards the center.  It infuriates me that democrats march in-step on every single issue.  They used to be the party of individual thought.  What the fuck happened?
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: wesfau2 on January 17, 2024, 02:10:24 PM
Again, the timing is impeccable.  They're pursuing him for some shit that allegedly happened in the mid 90's (should've been pursued then, in the early 2000's even).  How convenient that it is coming to light when politics are involved, 3 years after he was elected the first go.

The perception of guilt was a complementary commodity with the accusation.  It stinks of Kangaroo Court as we approach another election cycle.  The relentless attacks on him further embolden his base.  Democrats would be wise to lay off and try beating him on the merits of policy.  As Snags said, it will be a FAFO come November.

What it would take for me?  Viable opposition.  I am not in the Trump camp, but he will get my vote because what we have now has made the quality of life significantly worse, on top of getting us involved in more wars.  Y'all should have propped up Robert F Kennedy, or someone in that mold that is more towards the center.  It infuriates me that democrats march in-step on every single issue.  They used to be the party of individual thought.  What the fuck happened?

You know the felony charges are all related to his time as president and his actions in the wake of losing, right?

The defamation/rape case/business fraud is old material, but it's a pimple on the ass of his real problems.
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: Snakebite on January 17, 2024, 02:19:11 PM
You know the felony charges are all related to his time as president and his actions in the wake of losing, right?

The defamation/rape case/business fraud is old material, but it's a pimple on the ass of his real problems.

I am aware.  I am of the opinion that they are being pursued so restlessly in hopes that he is disqualified from running in 2024.  Not in the honest pursuit of justice, because if that were the case, there wouldn't be such a double-standard.  There would be more self-reflection before casting any stones & culling out bad apples within.

I am with the Colonel.  This 2-party system is outdated and is causing too much division.
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: Kaos on January 17, 2024, 02:20:03 PM
Again, the timing is impeccable.  They're pursuing him for some shit that allegedly happened in the mid 90's (should've been pursued then, in the early 2000's even).  How convenient that it is coming to light when politics are involved, 3 years after he was elected the first go.

The perception of guilt was a complementary commodity with the accusation.  It stinks of Kangaroo Court as we approach another election cycle.  The relentless attacks on him further embolden his base.  Democrats would be wise to lay off and try beating him on the merits of policy. As Snags said, it will be a FAFO come November.

What it would take for me?  Viable opposition.  I am not in the Trump camp, but he will get my vote because what we have now has made the quality of life significantly worse, on top of getting us involved in more wars.  Y'all should have propped up Robert F Kennedy, or someone in that mold that is more towards the center.  It infuriates me that democrats march in-step on every single issue.  They used to be the party of individual thought.  What the fuck happened?

Look around you, Ellen!  We're at the threshold of hell. 

They can't beat Trump on policy.  Every single measurable statistic as it relates to quality of life, economics, domestic policy, immigration, foreign policy... anything you can think of was better before Biden.   


What the fuck happened?  You really want to know?  Watergate. Journalism shifted from reporting the news to advocating and on to creating and crusading.  The democrats recognized this and in the years since 1972 have become quite good at weaponizing it. 

Seriously, do some research into the TNI.  Check out Gray Media.  You really think WBRC-TV is your local Birmingham News Station?  Nope. Same company owns Fox10TV in Mobile, WSFA in Montgomery, News4 in the Wiregrass.  And four stations in Mississippi, seven in Louisiana, six in Georgia, four in Florida.... In fact, they own stations in the largest media market in all but five or six states.  They're one of a handful of conglomerates that own virutally EVERY station in every market in the country.  Nexstar is the biggest. They own four stations in Alabama. 

Every single one of them takes their marching orders from the TNI, which is controlled by democrats and globalists. That's why you will see anchors at a station in Provo Utah use the exact same wording and phrases to discuss a topic as you do the anchors at a station in Dothan Alabama.  And every one of those mirrored reports are relentlessly anti-Christian, anti-nationalism, pro-globalism, pro-DEI -- and by proxy anti-Trump.  People are waking up to this. We are being fed a steady diet of chicken shit and being told by our "local" news that it's delicious chicken salad. The horrific failures of Biden and his puppet masters, the epic disasters that are being soft-pedaled in the media while the attacks on Trump and the denigration of his supporters as "rubes" or worse? Even the stupid people -- most of them -- can smell that bullshit.

THAT'S what happened.  Watergate gave them the power and impetus, and the pattern. If two fairly dumb newspaper guys can take down an entire presidency, what could a fully harnessed media do?  Control the media, control the narrative. THAT, my friend, is the existential threat to 'democracy'   

The TNI is currently WORSE, in my opinion, than Pravda, worse than People's Daily.  It's a leftist, globalist propaganda machine.  Please, if this thread does nothing else, do some research.  Check into Mockingbird - the daily dump of talking points filtered from the TNI to all the outlets. 

Fox News?  Controlled opposition. Never were conservative, Pretend to be, so there's the perception of fairness. Just as fraudulent and in on the scam as the rest. 
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: Kaos on January 17, 2024, 02:31:20 PM
You know the felony charges are all related to his time as president and his actions in the wake of losing, right?

The defamation/rape case/business fraud is old material, but it's a pimple on the ass of his real problems.

You know there was no "insurrection" and that his true actions were in the spirit of reconciliation and moving forward, don't you?  Insurrections don't have FBI plants front and center urging the crowd forward.  Insurrections don't have people following roped pathways and staying on the carpet.

Surely you're intelligent enough to see what was happening when the demoncratic talking points beginning about 90-days prior to the election began to - in unison - express fears of a coming insurrection when nothing the President did before or after suggested any such event?  You can't be oblivious enough to be blind to the fact that they were sowing the seeds for the event THEY planned, THEY encouraged, THEY fomented and by which THEY hoped to use as a bludgeon against his supporters.... can you?  Seriously? 

There was no insurrection. I have no doubt Trump was pissed off at the blatant and obvious scamming that went on in places where phantom water leaks, boarded up windows, and video evidence of massive, fraudulent ballot dumps tipped the election -- almost certainly illegally.  I agree with his request of Pence to delay certification until audits could be done.  But Pence was a stooge, hoping to salvage his own political ambitions by joining in with the uniparty. 

BUT...  At no point do I believe - nor has any valid evidence been presented that indicates in any way -- that Trump had any plans to try to stay in power.  He's an American, first and foremost. For that reason alone, he wouldn't have - and didn't - do what he's being accused of. 

Educate yourself.  Look past what you're being fed.  Please. 
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: CCTAU on January 17, 2024, 03:15:02 PM
At this point, Trump is the only one who can fight off the evil left. If you are a democrat, you are my enemy. You have nothing in common with me other than stealing my oxygen. I hope
Every democrat feels Thai administrations pain trifold. I have no compromise left.
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: CCTAU on January 17, 2024, 03:22:22 PM

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   “I am here to tell you that the western world is in danger . . . because those who are supposed to defend the values of the west have been co-opted by a vision of the world that inexorably leads to socialism, and therefore to poverty,” Milei told an audience in Davos on Wednesday.

Javier Milei describes democrats plan.
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: wesfau2 on January 17, 2024, 03:22:56 PM
I am aware.  I am of the opinion that they are being pursued so restlessly in hopes that he is disqualified from running in 2024.  Not in the honest pursuit of justice, because if that were the case, there wouldn't be such a double-standard.  There would be more self-reflection before casting any stones & culling out bad apples within.

I am with the Colonel.  This 2-party system is outdated and is causing too much division.

They're being pursued because he broke the law, the president is not above the law and he was/is trying to circumvent our democratic processes.

As to "no insurrection", you absolutely have to live in la la land to deny the reality of the video evidence of that day. 

As to the ramblings about metrics, nearly every major indicator is orders of magnitude better under Biden: inflation, jobs...name it.
Title: Re: What would it take?
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   “I am here to tell you that the western world is in danger . . . because those who are supposed to defend the values of the west have been co-opted by a vision of the world that inexorably leads to socialism, and therefore to poverty,” Milei told an audience in Davos on Wednesday.

Javier Milei describes democrats plan.

That motherfucker is a dangerous loon.  Of course you're carrying his water.
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: CCTAU on January 17, 2024, 03:31:50 PM
He’s not wrong. I see you can’t refute his claims. Anyone with half a brain can see what he said is 100% correct.
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: Kaos on January 17, 2024, 03:34:41 PM
They're being pursued because he broke the law, the president is not above the law and he was/is trying to circumvent our democratic processes.

As to "no insurrection", you absolutely have to live in la la land to deny the reality of the video evidence of that day. 

As to the ramblings about metrics, nearly every major indicator is orders of magnitude better under Biden: inflation, jobs...name it.


If you truly believe what you just wrote?  There is no hope for you.   None.   

I’m dismayed. 
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: WiregrassTiger on January 17, 2024, 03:37:56 PM
1.  91 felony charges.  https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-indictment-total-charges-counts-2023-8

2.  The GOP's own report found no evidence of wrongdoing.  https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/10/us/politics/hunter-biden-house-republicans-report.html

3.  He's offered twice, now.  He even showed up to the hearing proceeding and the GOP ran like cockroaches from him.  https://apnews.com/article/hunter-biden-congress-republicans-investigation-subpoena-55f869ddca927941ee3b1659bed2214c

4.  At least $7.8MM.  https://www.axios.com/2024/01/04/report-trump-received-at-least-78m-in-foreign-payments-during-presidency

Again, you are detached from the real world.
The fact that people actually believe all of this horseshit is exactly why the telephone scammer business is booming. There is a literal feast of fucking idiots out there for them to dine on. It has little to do with intellect. One can be educated and be an dumbass.
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: WiregrassTiger on January 17, 2024, 03:40:38 PM

If you truly believe what you just wrote?  There is no hope for you.   None.   

I’m dismayed.
You can’t pretend this level of faggotrey.
Title: Re: What would it take?
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Hey, CCT, don't mean to alarm you, but I think your warn meter got spiked.
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: Snakebite on January 17, 2024, 03:54:41 PM
They're being pursued because he broke the law, the president is not above the law and he was/is trying to circumvent our democratic processes.

I completely agree that nobody is above the law.  I am not stating this as a "what-aboutism", but it leads me to think of Hillary bleaching documents so that they couldn't be submitted into evidence.  Did you advocate for her being prosecuted for willfully interfering with an investigation back then, or did you rush to her defense and chalk it up to a witch hunt?  There's a severe double-standard here that needs to be realized.

Saying our economy is better now is a mind-fuck of epic proportions when the negative affects are being lived by all of us when we hit up the grocery store, the gas pumps, etc.  The housing market is on the cusp of collapsing again.  This is 4 years into his Presidency, so it can't be rationally blamed on the last guy.

P.S. - I still owe you a beer
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: wesfau2 on January 17, 2024, 03:57:37 PM
I completely agree that nobody is above the law.  I am not stating this as a "what-aboutism", but it leads me to think of Hillary bleaching documents so that they couldn't be submitted into evidence.  Did you advocate for her being prosecuted for willfully interfering with an investigation back then, or did you rush to her defense and chalk it up to a witch hunt?  There's a severe double-standard here that needs to be realized.

Saying our economy is better now is a mind-fuck of epic proportions when the negative affects are being lived by all of us when we hit up the grocery store, the gas pumps, etc.  The housing market is on the cusp of collapsing again.  This is 4 years into his Presidency, so it can't be rationally blamed on the last guy.

P.S. - I still owe you a beer

Yes, prosecute anyone that breaks the law regardless of political affiliation.  This stuff isn't hard.
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: Snakebite on January 17, 2024, 04:01:38 PM
Yes, prosecute anyone that breaks the law regardless of political affiliation.  This stuff isn't hard.

Thank you. 
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: Kaos on January 17, 2024, 04:47:59 PM
Yes, prosecute anyone that breaks the law regardless of political affiliation.  This stuff isn't hard.

Let's start with Hunter, Joe, his brothers, the first couch, bill and hillary then.  Start there. 

Then we can continue to talk
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: CCTAU on January 17, 2024, 05:51:33 PM
Let's start with Hunter, Joe, his brothers, the first couch, bill and hillary then.  Start there. 

Then we can continue to talk

His ilk are only concerned when it is Trump. Hypocrisy at it’s finest.
And that’s why Trump is back.
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: WiregrassTiger on January 17, 2024, 07:42:47 PM
His ilk are only concerned when it is Trump. Hypocrisy at it’s finest.
And that’s why Trump is back.
Trump is back? If I had known that I would not have been arguing on the internet.

Sorry about calling you a dumb faggot, Wes. It was an accident.
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: WiregrassTiger on January 17, 2024, 07:52:16 PM
I swore off all the cable "News" networks over a year ago.  I'm talking on-air personalities who don't present actual news, only opinions, which are 100% biased, regardless which network you choose. I still look at their web page because that's different altogether.  Yes, you still get the random opinion piece, but for the most part, it's like today:

One of the Royals having surgery
Colts owner found unresponsive
Iran bombed Pakistan
Boy fatally shoots dad
Girl who survived sex cult

 As for Fox News, a network created solely to be the lone conservative voice in the media, yes, they knew they were pushing the election fraud narrative, and got their asses handed to them for it. Deservedly so. Problem is, networks like CNN, MSNBC, CBS, NBC and on and on...have no repercussions for, as the opinion piece put it, ramming Russiagate and Russian collusion down our throats, which was an outright, unmitigated lie, and threw this country into turmoil.   

But, who is going to hold them accountable? When the overwhelming majority of the media is pushing the same narrative, and it's proven to be a complete lie, it's just a big, "Oh well, let's move on to something else.  Hey, Trump didn't denounce white supremacy."  Another lie.

The point being, when only 3.4% of 1,600 admit to being Republican, and over 10X that are Dems, you have a bias problem. If that's not the case, and you don't watch or read anything from Fox, tell me honestly, where was the last outlet you read anything painting conservatives in a positive light?  It wasn't from any of those "independents."

As for Trump....Do...Not...Want.
No election fraud? You have to be kidding, right? 😂 You are serious?

And no one cares if you want Trump or not. You’re getting him. You and Wesley. Let him sit in your lap on election night and you can watch the results together. Hopefully, Biden won’t go up by 2 suitcases in the middle of the night after Trump sets the record for the highest number of votes.

Another thing, even though Trump is older than you, not by very much but older, he’d slap the fuck out of you and then stomp a mud hole in your pussified ass. You and Wesley at the same time. I mean knock you the fuck out!
https://youtu.be/a9z8F4fgj6Q?si=4XPEltjStzhBRFIu
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: CCTAU on January 18, 2024, 09:36:38 AM
It is odd that the left continues to call the protest on Jan 6th an insurrection, yet not one person has been convicted of insurrection.

The goal is not to convict Trump, but to slow him down or make enough of a fuss that he won't be elected. 
Good American people see this and are reacting accordingly. The rest are still in a dark room wanking to the Mueller report. 


Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: wesfau2 on January 18, 2024, 11:47:46 AM
This is the shit I'm talking about.  This motherfucker wants to be above the law.  That is unacceptable.

https://twitter.com/JonLemire/status/1747976714053968191
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: Kaos on January 18, 2024, 12:07:57 PM
This is the shit I'm talking about.  This motherfucker wants to be above the law.  That is unacceptable.

https://twitter.com/JonLemire/status/1747976714053968191

Simple question again. 

What will it take for you to admit that this administration and its cronies - Hillary, Bill, Obama, etc. - are corrupt? 

How far will the country have to sink before you finally accept that?
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: WiregrassTiger on January 18, 2024, 03:13:13 PM
This is the shit I'm talking about.  This motherfucker wants to be above the law.  That is unacceptable.

https://twitter.com/JonLemire/status/1747976714053968191
This is small minded. Wait…
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: wesfau2 on March 27, 2024, 05:07:05 PM
I completely agree that nobody is above the law.

Circling back because Trump's entire argument against his espionage charges is that he is immune from prosecution.

Have we passed a rubicon yet?
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: War Damn Six on March 27, 2024, 07:45:01 PM
Circling back because Trump's entire argument against his espionage charges is that he is immune from prosecution.

Have we passed a rubicon yet?

Fuck that fucker. 
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: WiregrassTiger on March 27, 2024, 07:51:35 PM
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTbzzOBd9dSEw14uotM5vMbQdIACZaBB8hQ0fo-pkUgWwfaJK6my-em9X0&s
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: Kaos on March 27, 2024, 08:01:27 PM
Circling back because Trump's entire argument against his espionage charges is that he is immune from prosecution.

Have we passed a rubicon yet?

Are you shitting me?  No.

Biden is a grifter pedophile. Nothing is worse than him and the people running him.  Literally nothing.
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: Snakebite on March 27, 2024, 08:18:31 PM
Are you shitting me?  No.

Biden is a grifter pedophile. Nothing is worse than him and the people running him.  Literally nothing.

We dodged worse than Biden in 2016, in fairness to the discussion.
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: WiregrassTiger on March 27, 2024, 08:33:30 PM
Circling back because Trump's entire argument against his espionage charges is that he is immune from prosecution.

Have we passed a rubicon yet?
I bet you could pass a rubic’s cube with ease.
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: Kaos on March 27, 2024, 09:16:35 PM
We dodged worse than Biden in 2016, in fairness to the discussion.

The she demon is one of the ones running him.
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: wesfau2 on March 28, 2024, 09:41:32 AM
Are you shitting me?  No.

Biden is a grifter pedophile. Nothing is worse than him and the people running him.  Literally nothing.

Grifter...it's always projection.  Your favorite grifter just coopted the RNC for his own piggy bank and is selling gold sneakers and Trump bibles.  Haaaaaaaaaaaa...

I was just pointing out that under Trump's theory, Joe could just call off the federal election.  Suspend habeas corpus, jail all the opposition and IT'S ALL TOTALLY LEGAL!

That's what your guy is pushing.
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: Kaos on March 28, 2024, 09:52:26 AM
Grifter...it's always projection.  Your favorite grifter just coopted the RNC for his own piggy bank and is selling gold sneakers and Trump bibles.  Haaaaaaaaaaaa...

I was just pointing out that under Trump's theory, Joe could just call off the federal election.  Suspend habeas corpus, jail all the opposition and IT'S ALL TOTALLY LEGAL!

That's what your guy is pushing.

No.  It’s not at all.  You are so blinded by hate you can’t see anything but “orange man bad”

Joe has always been a grifter.  Nothing new. 

The fact is I fundamentally disagree with everything he, Hillary, Obama and others that group supports.  Socially, economically, foreign, domestic… every single splinter of every single plank of their platform disgusts me.  There is not a single speck of common ground. 

In my entire life I’ve never felt that way.  There were things I supported with Carter.  Bill Clinton (not his hell-hound wife), Mondale, Dukakis, Nixon, even old school gore.  Not now. 

I will support anyone or anything that has a chance to drive them out of power.  That was my position in 2016.  In 2020 - the most shockingly egregious election fraud in the history of this country.  It’s the same today. 

I want them gone. That’s it.  You’ve always conflated that with some adoration of Trump.  You’ve always (no surprise here) been wrong. 
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: wesfau2 on March 28, 2024, 10:26:43 AM
you can’t see anything but “orange man bad”

followed by:

Quote

I will support anyone or anything that has a chance to drive them out of power.  That was my position in 2016.  In 2020 - the most shockingly egregious election fraud in the history of this country.  It’s the same today. 


Is just so fucking delicious.
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: Kaos on March 28, 2024, 10:34:45 AM
followed by:

Is just so fucking delicious.

There’s no commonality. 

I hate their politics and policies. I hate what Hillary supports and represents.

You hate the man.   

Not the same dude. You’ve never figured that out. 
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: CCTAU on March 28, 2024, 02:36:13 PM
There’s no commonality. 

I hate their politics and policies. I hate what Hillary supports and represents.

You hate the man.   

Not the same dude. You’ve never figured that out.
And he and his ilk never will figure it out.
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: wesfau2 on April 16, 2024, 08:56:48 AM
Orange asshole can't even stay awake at his own criminal trial.  This is going well!
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: Kaos on April 16, 2024, 09:04:03 AM
Orange asshole can't even stay awake at his own criminal trial.  This is going well!

You have become a clown. 
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: wesfau2 on April 17, 2024, 11:53:35 AM
... And now he's bitching about the number of preemptory strikes in voir dire.  The number that is written into NY law.

Just a complete fucking moron.
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: War Damn Six on April 17, 2024, 04:18:33 PM
... And now he's bitching about the number of preemptory strikes in voir dire.  The number that is written into NY law.

Just a complete fucking moron.

Speaking of voir dire, did you ever watch Bull?  I thought the premise was good even if the show was less than stellar.  I always enjoyed the voir dire sequences. 
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: Kaos on April 17, 2024, 04:22:06 PM
Just a complete fucking moron.

Don't be so hard on yourself.  You're not f***ing.
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: CCTAU on April 17, 2024, 10:18:38 PM
Speaking of voir dire, did you ever watch Bull?  I thought the premise was good even if the show was less than stellar.  I always enjoyed the voir dire sequences.

Big fan of Dr. Phil huh?
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: wesfau2 on April 18, 2024, 01:51:32 PM
This MF co-opted the entire RNC and is now demanding contribution kickbacks from downstream Rs.

Jesus Christ, how can anyone who claims to be a non-Trump Republican still support this party?  They are sold the FUCK OUT.
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: Snaggletiger on April 18, 2024, 02:29:12 PM
Meanwhile, at two separate functions yesterday, our Pedophile in Chief, told audiences that his Uncle was shot down in WW2 but was never found because there were cannibals in the area. Holy shit! 
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: Kaos on April 18, 2024, 02:41:56 PM
This MF co-opted the entire RNC and is now demanding contribution kickbacks from downstream Rs.

Jesus Christ, how can anyone who claims to be a non-Trump Republican still support this party?  They are sold the FUCK OUT.

I counter with how can anyone support anything -- any one single thing -- the democratic party or anyone associated with it does? 

Sold out?  C'mon Wes.  Look in the mirror.  I know you don't want to see it, but it's all there. Incontrivertible.
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: WiregrassTiger on April 18, 2024, 04:51:45 PM
This MF co-opted the entire RNC and is now demanding contribution kickbacks from downstream Rs.

Jesus Christ, how can anyone who claims to be a non-Trump Republican still support this party?  They are sold the FUCK OUT.
https://media3.giphy.com/media/Qjmp5vKEERPyw/giphy.gif?cid=6c09b9522ulcqg9qjarjxstrzsz9i02fxqmzckd50xwzin13&ep=v1_internal_gif_by_id&rid=giphy.gif&ct=g
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: wesfau2 on April 18, 2024, 06:59:15 PM
Meanwhile, at two separate functions yesterday, our Pedophile in Chief, told audiences that his Uncle was shot down in WW2 but was never found because there were cannibals in the area. Holy shit!

Clutch the pearls!

I'll be over here.  Watching the criminal be tried for crimes.
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: Snakebite on April 18, 2024, 07:59:55 PM
Clutch the pearls!

I'll be over here.  Watching the criminal be tried for crimes.

Who are you voting for in the upcoming presidential election?

If you’re consistent with your convictions, I’d assume it would be Robert F’n A Kennedy in this cycle. He seems to have the best character/integrity of the bunch… and he’s mostly liberal. But the good, classical kind.
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: Kaos on April 18, 2024, 08:14:02 PM
Clutch the pearls!

I'll be over here.  Watching the criminal be tried for crimes.

Lawyer 101. 

Not criminal. 

Meanwhile the real criminals continue to cavort in Washington.  You should be leading the charge to bring them down. 
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: wesfau2 on April 19, 2024, 08:04:52 AM
Who are you voting for in the upcoming presidential election?

If you’re consistent with your convictions, I’d assume it would be Robert F’n A Kennedy in this cycle. He seems to have the best character/integrity of the bunch… and he’s mostly liberal. But the good, classical kind.

Kennedy is a conspiracy-endorsing whack job.

Given our options, it has to be Biden, unfortunately.

Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: Kaos on April 19, 2024, 10:28:21 AM
Kennedy is a conspiracy-endorsing whack job.

Given our options, it has to be Biden, unfortunately.

You've bypassed clown and headed straight to fool.  I pity you and am grateful you live in a state where your vote is a squirt of squirrel pee in the wind. 

I defy you to name one single policy or position this administration endorses that is positive for America. I know you cannot.
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: Snakebite on April 19, 2024, 11:14:08 AM
Kennedy is a conspiracy-endorsing whack job.

Given our options, it has to be Biden, unfortunately.


What do you make of his alleged shady business dealings, extreme top cover for his crackhead son, and accusations of molestation by his own daughter?

Accusations = Guilt these days, correct?

I disagree with your above premise, respectfully.

A man with a few conspiracy theories with no accusations of such things against him is a better candidate than an old man who’s brain barely functions and that has a lot of smoke around him doing criminal things in his uneventful/unimpressive history in politics. 
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: wesfau2 on April 19, 2024, 11:48:21 AM

What do you make of his alleged shady business dealings

The dipshit maga caucus has been chasing this garbage for a couple of years now.  So far: bupkus.  There's not a shred of evidence of wrongdoing.

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extreme top cover for his crackhead son

Not sure what "extreme top cover" is, but I'm not going to fault someone for doing what they can (within the bounds of the law) to help/protect their kid, addict or not. 

Quote
, and accusations of molestation by his own daughter?

This is a new one on me. 

Quote
Accusations = Guilt these days, correct?

I disagree with your above premise, respectfully.

A man with a few conspiracy theories with no accusations of such things against him is a better candidate than an old man who’s brain barely functions and that has a lot of smoke around him doing criminal things in his uneventful/unimpressive history in politics.

Obvs the disagreeing with respect to all this.
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: Snakebite on April 19, 2024, 01:49:56 PM
The dipshit maga caucus has been chasing this garbage for a couple of years now.  So far: bupkus.  There's not a shred of evidence of wrongdoing.

Yet, you were on board the Russian collusion train, which was proven as false.  I'll never forget the debate where Hillary brought that up and he looked legitimately confused about it.  Dirty politics.

Not a Trump fan, but some consistency would be pretty righteous here.

Not sure what "extreme top cover" is, but I'm not going to fault someone for doing what they can (within the bounds of the law) to help/protect their kid, addict or not.

I don't fault a parent protecting their child either, within the bounds of the law.  The issues with the laptop & favorable conditions/policies with Bank of America are worth taking a look at as a starting point.

This is a new one on me.
 

The diary has not been proven or disproven, but the details of the diary were sent with legitimate tax documents.  Smoke & fire and all that.

Obvs the disagreeing with respect to all this.

I think you are incredibly intelligent.  However, when it comes to politics, I don't understand your lock-step nature with everything perpetuated by media propaganda. Can you give me policies from the DNC that you disagree with?  Any of 'em?
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: wesfau2 on April 19, 2024, 02:08:20 PM
Yet, you were on board the Russian collusion train, which was proven as false. 

No.  It was not.  I keep hearing that around here, but it is patently untrue.

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I don't fault a parent protecting their child either, within the bounds of the law.  The issues with the laptop & favorable conditions/policies with Bank of America are worth taking a look at as a starting point.

The laptop business has such a fucking flawed foundation as to be nonsense.  The chain of custody is beyond fucked.  As to the favorable banking...what do you think margie and her drooling cohorts have been digging at the past two years?  They have found...nothing.  Not a single fucking thing.

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  The diary has not been proven or disproven, but the details of the diary were sent with legitimate tax documents.  Smoke & fire and all that.

Eh...if there was a story here, the Rs would be all over it, 24/7.  I'm open to hearing more, but I'm going in skeptical.

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I think you are incredibly intelligent.  However, when it comes to politics, I don't understand your lock-step nature with everything perpetuated by media propaganda. Can you give me policies from the DNC that you disagree with?  Any of 'em?

At this point it's an existential question of whether our attempt at democracy lives or dies.  It's an unfortunate binary choice.  I dislike much of our foreign policy.  I think the DNC is too mealy mouthed when they could take stronger positions that are demonstrably popular.  That said, a second Trump term would be disastrous in ways that I don't think people are willing to admit are possible.
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: Snaggletiger on April 19, 2024, 02:11:47 PM
None of it matters.  Biden started the beginning of the end by opening the borders and allowing an estimated 10+ million illegal immigrants to enter the country. A total greater than the population of 40 states.  From rampant fentanyl and drug deaths, to child trafficking, to multiple murders, (Laken Riley says Hi, Joe) savage beating of New York cops, and on and on and on.  It's just getting started, and the estimates of actual terrorists who have crossed our borders is staggering. A lot of people are going to die.

Joe Biden and Alejandro Mayorkas, along with twit brained, Karine Jean-Pierre told us for 3 years the border was secure.  Now, in a campaign year, Biden proclaims the border would be secure, "If it weren't for MAGA Republicans".

This, more than anything else, is why he needs to be in jail.  He won't, but it will be his greatest legacy.  It's on him. 
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: wesfau2 on April 19, 2024, 02:14:58 PM
None of it matters.  Biden started the beginning of the end by opening the borders and allowing an estimated 10+ million illegal immigrants to enter the country. A total greater than the population of 40 states.  From rampant fentanyl and drug deaths, to child trafficking, to multiple murders, (Laken Riley says Hi, Joe) savage beating of New York cops, and on and on and on.  It's just getting started, and the estimates of actual terrorists who have crossed our borders is staggering. A lot of people are going to die.

Joe Biden and Alejandro Mayorkas, along with twit brained, Karine Jean-Pierre told us for 3 years the border was secure.  Now, in a campaign year, Biden proclaims the border would be secure, "If it weren't for MAGA Republicans".

This, more than anything else, is why he needs to be in jail.  He won't, but it will be his greatest legacy.  It's on him.

There was a bipartisan border security bill...Trump sabotaged it for political points.  This isn't a Biden problem.
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: Snaggletiger on April 19, 2024, 02:27:33 PM
There was a bipartisan border security bill...Trump sabotaged it for political points.  This isn't a Biden problem.

Nope. Can't spin this one.  100% on Biden.  The bill was shot sown in part, because it didn't address the immigration problem, other than limiting the number of illegals who could come every year. And that number is in the millions. News flash.  That bill was this year.  The 10 million are already here and the damage and deaths are just beginning.  This is Joe's and Joe's alone, and it will turn out to be the worst crisis this country has ever faced.
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: Snaggletiger on April 19, 2024, 02:31:13 PM
No.  It was not.  I keep hearing that around here, but it is patently untrue.


From that shining beacon in the night of unbiased reporting, NPR

Mueller Report Doesn't Find Russian Collusion, But Can't 'Exonerate' On Obstruction
MARCH 24, 201910:52 AM ET
By

Carrie Johnson

,

Philip Ewing

,

Jessica Taylor


Special counsel Robert Mueller did not find evidence that President Trump's campaign conspired with Russia to influence the 2016 election, according to a summary of findings submitted to Congress by Attorney General William Barr.

"The Special Counsel's investigation did not find that the Trump campaign or anyone associated with it conspired or coordinated with Russia in its efforts to influence the 2016 U.S. presidential election," Barr wrote in a letter to leaders of the House and Senate judiciary committees on Sunday afternoon.

That was despite "multiple offers from Russian-affiliated individuals to assist the Trump campaign," he wrote.
However, Mueller's investigation did not take a position on whether Trump obstructed justice by trying to frustrate the ongoing investigation.

"[W]hile this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him," Barr quotes from Mueller's report.

The attorney general wrote that he and Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein had concluded that the findings of the special counsel were "not sufficient to establish that the president committed an obstruction-of-justice offense."

The Justice Department leaders reached that conclusion, Barr wrote, without regard to the "constitutional considerations" that surround whether the department can seek an indictment of a sitting president.

White House exults

Trump talked with reporters as he prepared to return from Florida to the White House, calling the investigation "an illegal take-down that failed."

"It was just announced there was no collusion with Russia, the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. There was no obstruction, and it was a complete and total exoneration," Trump said before boarding Air Force One. "It's a shame our country had to go through this, and to be honest, it's a shame your president had to go through this."

Trump also said: "Hopefully someone's going to look at the other side," seeming to revive suggestions that he wanted an investigation into his 2016 Democratic opponent Hillary Clinton, which he has called for several times.

Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: WiregrassTiger on April 19, 2024, 02:41:19 PM
America knows that the #BidenBorderCrisis is real. We just don’t know how many. Estimates are 8-10 million since he took office.

And they anre not all roofers.
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: wesfau2 on April 19, 2024, 02:50:31 PM
From that shining beacon in the night of unbiased reporting, NPR

Mueller Report Doesn't Find Russian Collusion, But Can't 'Exonerate' On Obstruction
MARCH 24, 201910:52 AM ET
By

Carrie Johnson

,

Philip Ewing

,

Jessica Taylor


Special counsel Robert Mueller did not find evidence that President Trump's campaign conspired with Russia to influence the 2016 election, according to a summary of findings submitted to Congress by Attorney General William Barr.

"The Special Counsel's investigation did not find that the Trump campaign or anyone associated with it conspired or coordinated with Russia in its efforts to influence the 2016 U.S. presidential election," Barr wrote in a letter to leaders of the House and Senate judiciary committees on Sunday afternoon.

That was despite "multiple offers from Russian-affiliated individuals to assist the Trump campaign," he wrote.
However, Mueller's investigation did not take a position on whether Trump obstructed justice by trying to frustrate the ongoing investigation.

"[W]hile this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him," Barr quotes from Mueller's report.

The attorney general wrote that he and Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein had concluded that the findings of the special counsel were "not sufficient to establish that the president committed an obstruction-of-justice offense."

The Justice Department leaders reached that conclusion, Barr wrote, without regard to the "constitutional considerations" that surround whether the department can seek an indictment of a sitting president.

White House exults

Trump talked with reporters as he prepared to return from Florida to the White House, calling the investigation "an illegal take-down that failed."

"It was just announced there was no collusion with Russia, the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. There was no obstruction, and it was a complete and total exoneration," Trump said before boarding Air Force One. "It's a shame our country had to go through this, and to be honest, it's a shame your president had to go through this."

Trump also said: "Hopefully someone's going to look at the other side," seeming to revive suggestions that he wanted an investigation into his 2016 Democratic opponent Hillary Clinton, which he has called for several times.

Asked if he found evidence of collusion between the Trump campaign and Moscow, Mueller said his team avoided the term “collusion” because it had no legal application. Mueller acknowledged there was insufficient evidence to establish a criminal conspiracy between the Trump campaign and the Russians, but he said it would not be accurate to suggest there was no evidence of coordination....

Under oath, Mueller said:


The Russians had led a campaign to swing the 2016 election in Trump’s favor and committed crimes to achieve that goal; The Trump campaign was receptive to help from the Russians; Donald Trump Jr said he would “love” to receive dirt on Hillary Clinton from the Russian government; As a candidate, Trump publicly urged the Russians to hack Clinton’s emails; Trump pursued a lucrative Trump Tower project in Moscow during the campaign; Multiple top Trump campaign and administration officials were convicted of lying to investigators about their contacts with Russians


https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jul/24/robert-mueller-testimony-key-takeaways-exoneration-indictment
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: WiregrassTiger on April 19, 2024, 04:03:19 PM
No.  It was not.  I keep hearing that around here, but it is patently untrue.

The laptop business has such a fucking flawed foundation as to be nonsense.  The chain of custody is beyond fucked.  As to the favorable banking...what do you think margie and her drooling cohorts have been digging at the past two years?  They have found...nothing.  Not a single fucking thing.

Eh...if there was a story here, the Rs would be all over it, 24/7.  I'm open to hearing more, but I'm going in skeptical.

At this point it's an existential question of whether our attempt at democracy lives or dies.  It's an unfortunate binary.  I dislike much of our foreign policy.  I think the DNC is too mealy mouthed when they could take stronger positions that are demonstrably popular.  That said, a second Trump term would be disastrous in ways that I don't think people are willing to admit are possible.
This part: “ It's an unfortunate binary choice” doesn’t apply to sex, though right?
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: Snakebite on April 19, 2024, 04:20:29 PM
This part: “ It's an unfortunate binary choice” doesn’t apply to sex, though right?

In my house it does! The Snake charmer verifies it daily with the example below:

It’s either…

“Yes, Honey. I want you.”

OR

“Don’t touch me!”


The 2nd one is far more frequent now that she has a bun in the oven.
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: Kaos on April 19, 2024, 04:53:38 PM
The diary has not been proven or disproven, but the details of the diary were sent with legitimate tax documents.  Smoke & fire and all that.

This actually is not true. The existence of the diary and its contents was validated when the person who obtained it was arrested, charged, and convicted of stealing it.

A Florida woman who stole and then sold a diary and other items belonging to Ashley Biden — the daughter of President Joe Biden — to a right-wing media group weeks before the 2020 election was sentenced Tuesday to one month in federal jail and three months of home detention.

You cannot jail someone for stealing something that does not exist. That she spoke of multiple instances of molestation and "hyper sexualiztion" also cannot be denied.

(https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-b6fddd3d94aded7b7ba69a8c26e31a65)

It can be ignored by mainstream media because it doesn't fit the narrative of Ice Cream Jack. It can be ignored by people who are blinded by loyalty to false idols. But it's right there in her own, verified, handwriting.

Don't jump!

Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: jmar on April 19, 2024, 05:06:47 PM
In my house it does! The Snake charmer verifies it daily with the example below:

It’s either…

“Yes, Honey. I want you.”

OR

“Don’t touch me!”


The 2nd one is far more frequent now that she has a bun in the oven.
Yes and I would even venture to say that these two opposing responses are universal since man has walked the earth. One might however have some hot charming success late initial phase and during the second trimester, buns and all. The correct food suggestion or bribe is all important at this stage. Get to fetching!
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: wesfau2 on April 19, 2024, 08:23:36 PM
Timely and relevant:

https://twitter.com/kyledcheney/status/1781329876672196714?t=9qd1ZACDrg12tHARrp5rZw&s=19
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: Kaos on April 19, 2024, 08:33:02 PM
Timely and relevant:

https://twitter.com/kyledcheney/status/1781329876672196714?t=9qd1ZACDrg12tHARrp5rZw&s=19

Irrelevant until you address the diary. 
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: CCTAU on April 19, 2024, 11:53:19 PM
What’s this rewrite of Title IX that keeps being mentioned?
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: Kaos on April 20, 2024, 12:14:56 AM
What’s this rewrite of Title IX that keeps being mentioned?

Dads can shower with teenage daughters now.  It’s cool. 😎
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: chinook on April 20, 2024, 04:07:01 PM
Kennedy is a conspiracy-endorsing whack job.

Given our options, it has to be Biden, unfortunately.

or don't punch.  write in.  never understood that mentality if you don't care for don't vote.
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: CCTAU on April 20, 2024, 09:09:03 PM
or don't punch.  write in.  never understood that mentality if you don't care for don't vote.

That’s what a man with true principles would do. However, the left would vote for satan if it meant stopping bad orange man.
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: wesfau2 on April 21, 2024, 11:12:27 AM
or don't punch.  write in.  never understood that mentality if you don't care for don't vote.

Once the republican party became a christo-fascist regime, it became pretty important to beat them in elections.
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: Kaos on April 21, 2024, 11:41:08 AM
Once the republican party became a christo-fascist regime, it became pretty important to beat them in elections.

Do you even hear yourself? 
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: CCTAU on April 21, 2024, 12:49:38 PM
Do you even hear yourself?

He means once they stood up and said NO. 99% of republicans today were middle of the road 25 years ago. We never moved. Now, because we said NO, we are right wingers. Let’s have this revolution and get this shit over with. I’m not budging.
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: Kaos on April 21, 2024, 02:00:22 PM
He means once they stood up and said NO. 99% of republicans today were middle of the road 25 years ago. We never moved. Now, because we said NO, we are right wingers. Let’s have this revolution and get this shit over with. I’m not budging.

It’s just amazing to me that someone who has shown at least a flicker of intelligence could be so intractably, myopically, fundamentally, historically wrong. 

As far away from the right side of history as he could possibly be.  Fascist???  That’s pure projection.  The democrats are the fascists.  They’re the ones locking up opponents, using the government to censor thoughts and speech and dissent. 

What republicans control the media with daily marching orders and standardized language?   

I honestly pity his complete and total blindness. 
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: Snaggletiger on April 22, 2024, 10:37:43 AM
Once the republican party became a christo-fascist regime, it became pretty important to beat them in elections.

Really trying to figure this one out.
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: chinook on April 22, 2024, 10:45:24 AM
Really trying to figure this one out.

i'm sure it was just a spelling error or two.
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: wesfau2 on April 22, 2024, 11:33:08 AM
The overarching insertion of xtianity as the basis of governmental intrusion into everyone's personal life has been going on a while, but hoooboy have they stomped on the accelerator lately.

The fascistic/autocracy bent is more a Trumpian development, but he's got a stranglehold on the r's, so by default they are fascists, too, now.

I can point you to all the evidence (the bulk coming straight from Trump's fat, stupid gob), but you're not interested in hearing it and I'm not interested in leading horses to water.

Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: Kaos on April 22, 2024, 12:02:01 PM
The overarching insertion of xtianity as the basis of governmental intrusion into everyone's personal life has been going on a while, but hoooboy have they stomped on the accelerator lately.

The fascistic/autocracy bent is more a Trumpian development, but he's got a stranglehold on the r's, so by default they are fascists, too, now.

I can point you to all the evidence (the bulk coming straight from Trump's fat, stupid gob), but you're not interested in hearing it and I'm not interested in leading horses to water.

I’m willing to walk with you on the GW Bush using 9-11 to fundamentally change the nature of the surveillance state.  Where we diverge is that Bush - or his handlers, he wasn’t smart enough to tie his own shoes - were and are uniparty globalists.

They - and this really came to the fore with Obama - have used those “for your own good” measures to turn the alphabet agencies into an Orwellian big brother nightmare, designed to shape speech, thought, and action by intimidation or force. Do you remember Obama’s first term website where you were supposed to report friends and neighbors who said anything bad about him or his administration? Pepperidge Farm (and Kaos) does.  That was just the tip.

I’m not specifically blaming democrats because I’m pretty confident the “Republican” party, outside of Trump, is controlled opposition.  It’s all for show.  There is no doubt, however that the democrats do own the media. They own the judiciary. They control and weaponize the DOJ, the FBI, the CIA, the IRS. They use all of them to quash dissent.  To destroy anyone or anything that could disrupt the corrupt cash flow.

I’ve dealt with state governments for more than two decades.  I’ve seen the corruption up close - from Siegelman to Riley to even Mee Maw.  I know first hand how it works.  I know what they are doing to Trump because I know people who were threatened with that kind of public excoriation when just a few million were at stake. 

Joe Biden is the most corrupt and perverted person who’s ever held the office.  How you can look the other way at his lifetime of corruption, his threat to withhold funds unless prosecutors targeting his corruption were fired, the shell accounts for his family, the paper trail, the unexplained income, marrying his babysitter, molesting his daughter, getting billions for his son for which he for a cut…. And a thousand other red flags, like trying to give voting rights to a flood of non-citizens??  How can you ignore all of that because of some phony, feeling-based “threat to democracy” you presume is posed by Trump? 

The only thing Trump threatens is the globalist cabal intent on destroying the very fabric of America.  Obama (globalist, socialist, likely murderer). Hillary (globalist, fascist, murderer). Gates (globalist, population reduction)… that list is long. 

We could not be destroyed from the outside.  So they set their sights on internal destruction.  And YOU, Wes, prance blindly along baaaa-ing in harmony with their death to America agenda.

I legitimately and honestly cannot understand how you can be so willfully obtuse. I hope you wake up.   

With love on my birthday, Kaos.
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: Snaggletiger on April 22, 2024, 12:15:27 PM
We'll have us a little book barbecue in the yard. They'll see the flames for miles. We'll dance around it like wild Injuns! You understand me? Catching my drift?... Or am I being obtuse?
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: AUJarhead on April 22, 2024, 03:10:34 PM
At this point it's an existential question of whether our attempt at democracy lives or dies.

Do you really believe that?  I mean, honest to God truly believe that if Trump is elected this November, by 2028 the USA no longer exists?
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: wesfau2 on April 22, 2024, 03:20:15 PM
Do you really believe that?  I mean, honest to God truly believe that if Trump is elected this November, by 2028 the USA no longer exists?

No, it will continue as a nation in name.  Our democratic institutions, however, will not survive. 
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: Snakebite on April 22, 2024, 03:27:43 PM
No, it will continue as a nation in name.  Our democratic institutions, however, will not survive.

Which ones in particular?
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: War Damn Six on April 22, 2024, 04:00:05 PM
I have drank with Wes and a chick that took her bra off mid encounter, but I don’t recognize this iteration.   Weird.
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: wesfau2 on April 22, 2024, 04:01:23 PM
Which ones in particular?

Meaningful elections will be a thing of the past.  The law enforcement/justice system will be weaponized against political opponents.  He's telling you all this, explicitly.
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: Snakebite on April 22, 2024, 04:16:35 PM
Meaningful elections will be a thing of the past.  The law enforcement/justice system will be weaponized against political opponents.  He's telling you all this, explicitly.

To K's point...

You have most media outlets, the 3 letter agencies, the justice department, most actors/musicians, and most West Coast tech CEOs all supporting your political ideologies.  If anything, it is the exact opposite of what you are saying presently.  Nothing is stacked against the American left within the institutions mentioned above of political influence/power. 
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: CCTAU on April 22, 2024, 04:22:57 PM
Meaningful elections will be a thing of the past.  The law enforcement/justice system will be weaponized against political opponents.  He's telling you all this, explicitly.

As usual, the left makes these unfounded claims. Claims to actions that they themselves are already employing. Its sad really.
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: Snaggletiger on April 22, 2024, 04:37:19 PM
To K's point...

You have most media outlets, the 3 letter agencies, the justice department, most actors/musicians, and most West Coast tech CEOs all supporting your political ideologies.  If anything, it is the exact opposite of what you are saying presently.  Nothing is stacked against the American left within the institutions mentioned above of political influence/power.

Exactly.  The NPR story is pretty much all you need to know about the media.

The current situation with Trump and all these bogus indictments, is exactly why I don't want the man in office. The left will stop at nothing to keep him out, and if he wins, get ready for more Russia Collusion hoaxes, and anything else they can drum up to cause utter chaos. It will be a circus, and one that may just be the thing that starts that civil war people are so scared about.

     
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: wesfau2 on April 22, 2024, 05:19:47 PM
To K's point...

You have most media outlets, the 3 letter agencies, the justice department, most actors/musicians, and most West Coast tech CEOs all supporting your political ideologies.  If anything, it is the exact opposite of what you are saying presently.  Nothing is stacked against the American left within the institutions mentioned above of political influence/power.

Agreed that the fascist movement is a minority (even within the party), that is why it will be crucial for them to destroy the machinery should they obtain power.
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: WiregrassTiger on April 22, 2024, 08:13:08 PM
Which ones in particular?
He’s just worried that Trump is going to ban fag butt sex.
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: Kaos on April 22, 2024, 10:30:28 PM
Meaningful elections will be a thing of the past.  The law enforcement/justice system will be weaponized against political opponents.  He's telling you all this, explicitly.

I’m literally agog.  This is everything that has been happening since November of 2020.  None of it.  Not one iota of it done by Trump or republicans. 

What you fear is explicitly happening right now.  Right this very minute.  Targeting conservatives and anyone who supports Trump. N
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: AUJarhead on April 23, 2024, 08:01:36 AM
No, it will continue as a nation in name.  Our democratic institutions, however, will not survive.

Are you at all worried about the warrior caste within our military potentially being non-existent by 2028 should Biden win reelection?
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: wesfau2 on April 23, 2024, 08:08:38 AM
Are you at all worried about the warrior caste within our military potentially being non-existent by 2028 should Biden win reelection?

The absolute least of my worries.
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: Snakebite on April 23, 2024, 09:04:51 AM
The absolute least of my worries.

I remember a time not long ago that liberals were champions of free speech.  Now they make concerted efforts to silence anyone with opposing views.

A large swath of today's liberals are actual fascists by definition, canceling and persecuting conservative voices on a large scale.  I am not grouping you in with that, but find it extremely ironic that you are prescribing that "fascist" title to conservatives.

I invite you back towards the center, where the goal is fidning common ground and moving this country in the best direction for both sides.  Not to benefit one side or the other.  Biden doesn't benefit average citizens like us.
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: wesfau2 on April 23, 2024, 09:20:13 AM
I remember a time not long ago that liberals were champions of free speech.  Now they make concerted efforts to silence anyone with opposing views.

A large swath of today's liberals are actual fascists by definition, canceling and persecuting conservative voices on a large scale.  I am not grouping you in with that, but find it extremely ironic that you are prescribing that "fascist" title to conservatives.

I invite you back towards the center, where the goal is fidning common ground and moving this country in the best direction for both sides.  Not to benefit one side or the other.  Biden doesn't benefit average citizens like us.

The problem isn't so much "opposing views" it's the continued spouting of complete nonsense that is divorced from reality.  No one is under any obligation to engage with all that bad faith bullshit.

And "cancel" culture doesn't exist.  Stop it.
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: CCTAU on April 23, 2024, 10:35:05 AM
I invite you back towards the center, where the goal is fidning common ground and moving this country in the best direction for both sides.  Not to benefit one side or the other.  Biden doesn't benefit average citizens like us.
Sadly there is no center any more. You either crush the left or get crushed by their whacked out policies.
As you can see by his response, all of the blame is squarely on the "bad faith". I am sure he's talking about the "bad faith" of the left...right?
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: wesfau2 on April 23, 2024, 10:41:39 AM
I am sure he's talking about the "bad faith" of the left...right?

I'm talking about anyone who espouses absolute bunk.  Complete fabrications and lies deserve no quarter.  Regardless of who is putting it out there.  Unfortunately the entirety of the R identity is currently built upon such falsehoods.
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: CCTAU on April 23, 2024, 10:46:17 AM
I'm talking about anyone who espouses absolute bunk.  Complete fabrications and lies deserve no quarter.  Regardless of who is putting it out there.  Unfortunately the entirety of the R identity is currently built upon such falsehoods.
You have literally espoused lies about Trump in this very thread. Lies attributed to Trump that accurately describe the current administration. You must really despise yourself...
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: AUJarhead on April 23, 2024, 10:52:55 AM
The absolute least of my worries.

Odd that you're worried about institutions except the one that provides the blanket of security to allow you to worry about the others.
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: wesfau2 on April 23, 2024, 10:55:09 AM
Odd that you're worried about institutions except the one that provides the blanket of security to allow you to worry about the others.

What I mean is that system is entirely overfunded and able to withstand normal administrative regime change for the most part.
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: Kaos on April 23, 2024, 10:55:35 AM

And "cancel" culture doesn't exist.  Stop it.

What day did you divorce reality? 
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: wesfau2 on April 23, 2024, 10:55:49 AM
You have literally espoused lies about Trump in this very thread. Lies attributed to Trump that accurately describe the current administration. You must really despise yourself...

Which?  Provide evidence.
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: Snakebite on April 23, 2024, 11:01:29 AM
What day did you divorce reality?

It was an asinine statement. Ego and tribalism sure can cloud and twist truth.

Not that I am some authority on truth, but some of this stuff is 2+2=4, and we are seeing an argument that it should equal 5.
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: wesfau2 on April 23, 2024, 11:08:54 AM
It was an asinine statement. Ego and tribalism sure can cloud and twist truth.

Not that I am some authority on truth, but some of this stuff is 2+2=4, and we are seeing an argument that it should equal 5.

It begins mostly with "The Big Lie" and once folks internalize that one, they swallow the rest of them because they don't want to admit to being duped.
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: CCTAU on April 23, 2024, 11:20:53 AM
Which?  Provide evidence.

If Trump is elected, in your own words:

Meaningful elections will be a thing of the past.  The law enforcement/justice system will be weaponized against political opponents.  He's telling you all this, explicitly.

At this point, no one believes Biden was actually elected. Democrats did that. So do we really have meaningful elections now? Not on Trump. The Biden administration/left continues to use the DOJ to try and squelch Trump. Again, not Trump.

Yet here you are...
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: WiregrassTiger on April 23, 2024, 11:40:22 AM
Fentynal deaths and brazen strong arm robberies (disguised as “shoplifting”) are at an all time high.

Inflation makes living as difficult as I’ve seen it since Jimmy Carter.

The stock market has thankfully not shown as much crash but it’s likely to follow.

Illegal aliens are crashing over the few National Guardsmen that Biden FINALLY brought in (too few and too late) to slow the #bidenbordercrisis. 8 MILLION since Sniffy was installed.

And the Smnowflakes are worried about hush money and porn stars but mostly…The Donald.

As usual, they are hoeing in the flower bed while the hay barn is on fire.
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: WiregrassTiger on April 23, 2024, 11:41:30 AM
I'm talking about anyone who espouses absolute bunk.  Complete fabrications and lies deserve no quarter.  Regardless of who is putting it out there.  Unfortunately the entirety of the R identity is currently built upon such falsehoods.
What do you identify as?
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: Snakebite on April 23, 2024, 12:04:03 PM
It begins mostly with "The Big Lie" and once folks internalize that one, they swallow the rest of them because they don't want to admit to being duped.

Is 2+2=4 supposed to be the big lie?

I am happy to admit when I am wrong.  All I care about is truth & the well-being of U.S. citizens.

There are some issues that you and I would definitely agree on such as: taking care of our planet, providing healthcare for all, social programs that help those in need (with the caveat that they get back on their feet in a designated period of time), and a few more I am sure.  I have gotten more conservative as I have aged, though.

What troubles me are the things that you are parading as truth.

1. No such thing as cancel culture.
2. Russian collusion happened.
3. Trump being a threat to democracy with examples of stuff the current administration is actually doing.

Just am genuinely having a hard time grasping your line of reasoning & some of the mental gymnastics you're having the perform to try to convince us that the blue cat is, in fact, yellow. 
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: wesfau2 on April 23, 2024, 12:53:24 PM


At this point, no one believes Biden was actually elected.

Yes, actually the majority of the country does.

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So do we really have meaningful elections now?

Yes.  The last election was the most litigated/scrutinized and there were no significant irregularities.  In fact, the bulk of the "voter fraud" was republicans voting multiple times.

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The Biden administration/left continues to use the DOJ to try and squelch Trump.

Enforcing the law isn't trying to "squelch" him. 
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: wesfau2 on April 23, 2024, 12:58:13 PM
Is 2+2=4 supposed to be the big lie?

Rigged Election and No Insurrection are the lies, mostly the former but you can't have one without the other as the song goes.

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1. No such thing as cancel culture.

No one is getting "cancelled."  They are experiencing negative consequences of saying stupid and shitty things, but that's what the 1st is all about: you can say it, but you're not free from the consequence of it.

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2. Russian collusion happened.

Mueller said exactly that.  The problem is the semantic muddying of the use of "collusion."  You're correct, no one was charged with "collusion" because that doesn't exist as a crime.  Plenty of folks have been indicted/charged/convicted for improperly mediating between various russians and the Trump campaign.  Call that what you like, but it's fucking wrong.

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3. Trump being a threat to democracy with examples of stuff the current administration is actually doing.

Specifically what?  Every infringement on our rights has been by extremist xtian legislators and the sold-out shit weasels on the SCOTUS.
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: Snakebite on April 23, 2024, 01:37:23 PM
Rigged Election and No Insurrection are the lies, mostly the former but you can't have one without the other as the song goes.

You can understand why it would be hard to believe that Biden broke records in the popular vote.  I hope so at least.

No one is getting "cancelled."  They are experiencing negative consequences of saying stupid and shitty things, but that's what the 1st is all about: you can say it, but you're not free from the consequence of it.

There is an obvious attempt to enforce certain ideological speech.  There are countless examples, and dissenting opinions are labeled as hate speech.

Mueller said exactly that.  The problem is the semantic muddying of the use of "collusion."  You're correct, no one was charged with "collusion" because that doesn't exist as a crime.  Plenty of folks have been indicted/charged/convicted for improperly mediating between various russians and the Trump campaign.  Call that what you like, but it's fucking wrong.

I dislike the practice of using resources to dig up dirt on opponents.  In a perfect world, candidates would be elected based off policy, character, and merit alone.  I can all but guarantee that "collusion" happens on both sides.

Specifically what?  Every infringement on our rights has been by extremist xtian legislators and the sold-out shit weasels on the SCOTUS.

Weaponization of OSHA, a government agency, to enforce vaccine mandates as an example.  An obvious attempt near every election cycle to throw whatever they think can stick against Trump.  It's obvious it is all very politically driven to me.  That said, I don't think he is a man of high character.  All this stuff is bullshit that wouldn't see the light of day if he didn't have a shot to land the presidency.


Since we are speaking on objective truths, I wanted to pick your brain on a couple more things:

1. How many genders are there?
2. Is capitalism bad for America?
3. Should people be jailed for things that they say that do not incite violence?
4. Should children have a say in gender reassignment?
5. Is there a such thing as institutional racism? If so, where?
6. What conservative values to do you personally hold?

Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: wesfau2 on April 23, 2024, 01:58:35 PM

Since we are speaking on objective truths, I wanted to pick your brain on a couple more things:

1. How many genders are there? It's a spectrum.
2. Is capitalism bad for America? Not inherently, but the current iteration of it here in the US is not sustainable.
3. Should people be jailed for things that they say that do not incite violence? This is too broad, but I'm going to say that stochastic terrorism (even directed at a single person) should be actionable, yes.
4. Should children have a say in gender reassignment? A say, in coordination with their parents and physicians.
5. Is there a such thing as institutional racism? If so, where?  Yes.  Start with the interstate system if you somehow do not believe this objective truth, but it's ubiquitous due to the nature of the origination, management and funding of those institutions.
6. What conservative values to do you personally hold?  You're going to have to be specific.  Do you mean true conservatism or the bastard, mutant child that is the republican party that erroneously calls themselves "conservative"?
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: WiregrassTiger on April 23, 2024, 03:11:02 PM

Are there any plans by your party to color code the gender spectrum in order for faster identification?

How much notice does a man need to give before he decides to start sucking cock. Big long and hard ones.

I’m wanting to know in case someone asks me.


Are the gender regulations the same for the blacks?

If color coded, are you going with pink? And if so, what shade?

Thank you for all that you do for the transgenders.
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: WiregrassTiger on April 23, 2024, 03:15:46 PM
You can understand why it would be hard to believe that Biden broke records in the popular vote.  I hope so at least.

There is an obvious attempt to enforce certain ideological speech.  There are countless examples, and dissenting opinions are labeled as hate speech.

I dislike the practice of using resources to dig up dirt on opponents.  In a perfect world, candidates would be elected based off policy, character, and merit alone.  I can all but guarantee that "collusion" happens on both sides.

Weaponization of OSHA, a government agency, to enforce vaccine mandates as an example.  An obvious attempt near every election cycle to throw whatever they think can stick against Trump.  It's obvious it is all very politically driven to me.  That said, I don't think he is a man of high character.  All this stuff is bullshit that wouldn't see the light of day if he didn't have a shot to land the presidency.


Since we are speaking on objective truths, I wanted to pick your brain on a couple more things:

1. How many genders are there?
2. Is capitalism bad for America?
3. Should people be jailed for things that they say that do not incite violence?
4. Should children have a say in gender reassignment?
5. Is there a such thing as institutional racism? If so, where?
6. What conservative values to do you personally hold?
Today’s article about how  how disinformation and bogus lies are spreading about how vaccines are harming otherwise healthy individuals is brought to you by Pfizer. Don’t be afraid of no clot shot.
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: CCTAU on April 23, 2024, 04:16:28 PM
It’s hard to keep up with the weirdo claims of the left.
Most of us are trying to figure out how you have an insurrection with zero arms.
It’s the only insurrection in history to haven take place by unarmed individuals.
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: Snaggletiger on April 23, 2024, 05:11:00 PM
WT notwithstanding, there are two genders, and only two.  Male and female.  XY and XX chromosomes. With the exception of a few sea horses and starfish, one has a cock, and one has a vaj.  It's that way in horses, pigs, deer, cats, dogs, mice, penguins, otters, moosens, geeses, frogs and humans.  Has been since creation, or the beginning of our world with a big bang, whichever you believe in. 

There is no spectrum, except a shitty cable company that charges way too much and forced me to go Youtube TV.  You can choose to play dress up, cut shit off yourself, take hormones, reduce hormones, and call yourself whatever the fuck you want.  More power to you. Live your life.  You can "feel" like a man trapped in a woman's body, or vice versa.  But you are still either male or female.  Nobody can be forced to participate in your fantasy world.

Children cannot smoke, drink, vote, join the military or buy a dirty magazine until they reach a certain age. Doesn't matter if their parents think it's okay.  It's against the law.  And any parent or doctor who participates in helping a child "transition", whether it be through surgery, hormones or otherwise, needs to be under the F'n jail.
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: wesfau2 on April 23, 2024, 05:49:29 PM

Most of us are trying to figure out how you have an insurrection with zero arms.


This is the shit I'm talking about.  There have been multiple convictions on weapons/guns violations.

This vacation from reality is the fucking problem. 
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: wesfau2 on April 23, 2024, 05:51:18 PM
WT notwithstanding, there are two genders, and only two.  Male and female.  XY and XX chromosomes. With the exception of a few sea horses and starfish, one has a cock, and one has a vaj.  It's that way in horses, pigs, deer, cats, dogs, mice, penguins, otters, moosens, geeses, frogs and humans.  Has been since creation, or the beginning of our world with a big bang, whichever you believe in. 

There is no spectrum, except a shitty cable company that charges way too much and forced me to go Youtube TV.  You can choose to play dress up, cut shit off yourself, take hormones, reduce hormones, and call yourself whatever the fuck you want.  More power to you. Live your life.  You can "feel" like a man trapped in a woman's body, or vice versa.  But you are still either male or female.  Nobody can be forced to participate in your fantasy world.

Children cannot smoke, drink, vote, join the military or buy a dirty magazine until they reach a certain age. Doesn't matter if their parents think it's okay.  It's against the law.  And any parent or doctor who participates in helping a child "transition", whether it be through surgery, hormones or otherwise, needs to be under the F'n jail.

I love you, S.  I truly do.

But, the world is replete with examples (human and non) of gender fluidity.  I'm really sorry that this somehow makes a lot of people (only very recently) very uncomfortable.  But they are here.  They have been for thousands of years. 
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: Kaos on April 23, 2024, 06:00:14 PM
I love you, S.  I truly do.

But, the world is replete with examples (human and non) of gender fluidity.  I'm really sorry that this somehow makes a lot of people (only very recently) very uncomfortable.  But they are here.  They have been for thousands of years.

The wrong hole gets deeper and deeper
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: wesfau2 on April 23, 2024, 06:14:29 PM
The wrong hole gets deeper and deeper

Oh, man.  Let's have a parthenogenesis discussion.

Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: CCTAU on April 23, 2024, 06:36:44 PM
This is the shit I'm talking about.  There have been multiple convictions on weapons/guns violations.

This vacation from reality is the fucking problem.

Oh please. Not one inside the capitol! And the FBI agrees.
You chicken shits have never seen an armed insurrection.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/03/04/fact-check-fbi-says-bureau-didnt-recover-guns-capitol-riot/4578286001/
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: Snakebite on April 23, 2024, 06:37:53 PM
Oh, man.  Let's have a parthenogenesis discussion.

Never heard of that word and looked it up, but what I saw said it didn’t apply to mammals or humans?
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: Kaos on April 23, 2024, 06:55:48 PM
Yes, actually the majority of the country does.

Demonstrably false. 


Yes.  The last election was the most litigated/scrutinized and there were no significant irregularities.  In fact, the bulk of the "voter fraud" was republicans voting multiple times.

Demonstrably false.  Scrutinized by whom?  AOC?


Enforcing the law isn't trying to "squelch" him.

Untrue.  Bending laws and weaponizing the judicial system is what’s happening. 

You quoted a “DC court” earlier.  What a joke. 
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: War Damn Six on April 23, 2024, 08:29:52 PM
Holy shit.  Let’s all agree that both sides have lost their way.  Biden is a bumbling fool.  Trump is an idiot.  Kennedy can’t cobble together a sentence. 

 I am writing in a Kaos/Wes ticket.  I know both of your (semi) full names.
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: WiregrassTiger on April 23, 2024, 09:11:22 PM
Holy shit.  Let’s all agree that both sides have lost their way.  Biden is a bumbling fool.  Trump is an idiot.  Kennedy can’t cobble together a sentence. 

 I am writing in a Kaos/Wes ticket.  I know both of your (semi) full names.
. I wonder if they’ll make a new lectern for Wes or if they’ll bring out a step stool for him. I can see him up there talking to the press right now. In a bow tie and jacket. Looking just like a little man.

I think his first speech should be on gender fluidity. He can share how it has affected him in the butt.
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: WiregrassTiger on April 24, 2024, 09:23:56 AM
I love you, S.  I truly do.

But, the world is replete with examples (human and non) of gender fluidity.  I'm really sorry that this somehow makes a lot of people (only very recently) very uncomfortable.  But they are here.  They have been for thousands of years.
I think this is really sweet.  Is your love strong enough to let S. stick it up your butt? You both are obviously fluid. And there’s nothing wrong with that.
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: Kaos on April 24, 2024, 10:04:12 AM
Oh please. Not one inside the capitol! And the FBI agrees.
You chicken shits have never seen an armed insurrection.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/03/04/fact-check-fbi-says-bureau-didnt-recover-guns-capitol-riot/4578286001/

It was a setup from the start. They (the left) first told us how it was going to be stolen with Bernie even naming specific counties well before the election. They “predicted” a statistical anomaly that was impossibilly rare and then delivered exactly that — with boarded windows, ballot dumps, unverified signatures, fake addresses, dead voters, illegitimate scans, double scans, and whatever methods were necessary.  Give them credit.  They know which handful of counties to flip, waited until the legitimate ballots were counted, and then added whatever they needed to change the score.  The money from Gates and Zuck helped carry that off. 

It’s been “investigated” you say?!?  By whom?  The people who did it.  The people who benefit.

As for the “insurrection”.  That was a movie of the week.  The same voices that predicted the statistical impossibility that “elected” the potato began talking and warning about it weeks in advance.  They seeded the crowd with instigators.  Let me borrow from the democrats pre-lie line, but in this case I’m telling you the 1000% truth.  Let me be clear: There. Was. No. Insurrection. 

There was a protest.  There have been worse before and since.  The crowd marching on Kavanaugh’s confirmation was much closer to an insurrection than the Jan 6 sham.  They - the globalist, fascist left - WANTED it to be one in an effort to further neuter Trump.   So they made it into something it never was and never will be. 

The more they attack him? The more conclusively sure I am that he may be the last man standing between the continuation of America and the complete and utter destruction of this nation that I love. 

Wes? I love you like a brother.  I’ve enjoyed sparring with you.  Back when it was Trump v Hillary it was fun.  It was MORE fun being 10000% right about everything I told you and watching you stew.  I’m sorry you entrenched yourself as deep on the wrong side of history as you can get.  I hate it if my prods at you played any part in digging you further into that wrong leaning foxhole.  But you are wrong.  You were then.  You are now.  You’re as wrong as you can be. 

I’m done trying to help you.  I hope and pray that your children and grandchildren are not forced to live in the world that will remain if you and others like you cheat your way to control.  I shudder to think of the horrors to come if the Democratic Orwellian fascism and communism isn’t contained.  It has to be stopped.  I have great respect for you - or did - and I truly hope you wake up before it’s too late for all of us.
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: WiregrassTiger on April 24, 2024, 05:43:13 PM
  I hope and pray that your children and grandchildren are not forced to live in the world that will remain if you and others like you…
I didn’t know that Wes has kids but I doubt that you even believe that he can breast feed his kids. I care about you and want what’s best but you sure are closed minded sometimes.
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: wesfau2 on April 25, 2024, 10:08:40 AM
5. Is there a such thing as institutional racism? If so, where?


Here's a timely, relevant example (from librul Cali, no less):

In an order issued today, U.S. District Court Judge Vince Chhabria said that the hand-written notes of prosecutors from a 31-year-old murder case “constitute strong evidence that, in prior decades, prosecutors from the [Alameda County District Attorney’s] office were engaged in a pattern of serious misconduct, automatically excluding Jewish and African American jurors in death penalty cases.”

...

The apparent attempts to exclude Black and Jewish people from juries in homicide cases may have been based upon the belief that these groups would be less likely to convict someone if a death sentence was possible. Any exclusion of potential jurors because of their race or religion would have been unconstitutional.

Price said this behavior was not limited to one or two prosecutors but involved “a variety of prosecutors.” Price added that people who were identified in this manner did not end up on juries.


...

Price’s office is reviewing 35 active death penalty cases, and will potentially review matters dating to 1977. She said the review is starting with death penalty cases but other cases may be implicated.


https://oaklandside.org/2024/04/22/alameda-county-prosecutors-allegedly-excluded-black-people-and-jews-from-death-penalty-juries/
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: CCTAU on April 25, 2024, 10:30:18 AM
Here's a timely, relevant example (from librul Cali, no less):

In an order issued today, U.S. District Court Judge Vince Chhabria said that the hand-written notes of prosecutors from a 31-year-old murder case “constitute strong evidence that, in prior decades, prosecutors from the [Alameda County District Attorney’s] office were engaged in a pattern of serious misconduct, automatically excluding Jewish and African American jurors in death penalty cases.”

...

The apparent attempts to exclude Black and Jewish people from juries in homicide cases may have been based upon the belief that these groups would be less likely to convict someone if a death sentence was possible. Any exclusion of potential jurors because of their race or religion would have been unconstitutional.

Price said this behavior was not limited to one or two prosecutors but involved “a variety of prosecutors.” Price added that people who were identified in this manner did not end up on juries.


...

Price’s office is reviewing 35 active death penalty cases, and will potentially review matters dating to 1977. She said the review is starting with death penalty cases but other cases may be implicated.


https://oaklandside.org/2024/04/22/alameda-county-prosecutors-allegedly-excluded-black-people-and-jews-from-death-penalty-juries/

Wait. So we care about Jews NOW?

I thought the voir dire process allowed each side a set number of strikes with no explanation?

And these notes don't sound like they targeting anyone "JUST BECAUSE":

One undated note referred to a potential juror as a “short, fat, troll.” Another describing a prospective Black female juror reads, “says race no issue but I don’t believe her.”

That would be like us looking at you and saying, "Says he can be impartial about Trump, but I don't believe him."

Maybe there was an issue. Maybe there wasn't. But doesn't the prosecutors get a chance to try and choose the jury they think will help them best? Same as the defense?

Not anywhere near the evidence of systemic racism you think it is in current society. 30 years was a long time ago.
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: Kaos on April 25, 2024, 10:37:39 AM
Here's a timely, relevant example (from librul Cali, no less):

In an order issued today, U.S. District Court Judge Vince Chhabria said that the hand-written notes of prosecutors from a 31-year-old murder case “constitute strong evidence that, in prior decades, prosecutors from the [Alameda County District Attorney’s] office were engaged in a pattern of serious misconduct, automatically excluding Jewish and African American jurors in death penalty cases.”

...

The apparent attempts to exclude Black and Jewish people from juries in homicide cases may have been based upon the belief that these groups would be less likely to convict someone if a death sentence was possible. Any exclusion of potential jurors because of their race or religion would have been unconstitutional.

Price said this behavior was not limited to one or two prosecutors but involved “a variety of prosecutors.” Price added that people who were identified in this manner did not end up on juries.


...

Price’s office is reviewing 35 active death penalty cases, and will potentially review matters dating to 1977. She said the review is starting with death penalty cases but other cases may be implicated.


https://oaklandside.org/2024/04/22/alameda-county-prosecutors-allegedly-excluded-black-people-and-jews-from-death-penalty-juries/

Only one word in that entire diversion from the truths beating Wes in the face has any significance.  The word “may”

“Apparent” attempt “may”.   

Like every other liberal babbling point where feelings take precedence and facts are manipulated to fit a feeling-based narrative. 

Garbage. 

And also not germane to any rational discussion. 
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: WiregrassTiger on April 25, 2024, 01:05:01 PM
Only one word in that entire diversion from the truths beating Wes in the face…
:pearl: :monkey: :monkey: :monkey: :monkey: :pb: :pb: :sadm:

I came in to put the emoji of the guy being beaten in the face with dicks because it is one of my favorites. Not because I like being beaten in the face with dicks, motherfucker. GFY.

But it’s gone. I think it would have been great in response to this post as Wes really does like it.

I guess it’s one more thing the weird guy who used to run this place did before he bought the farm. He was a true motherfucker. And he fucked this place entirely up before departing. Piss on his grave.
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: WiregrassTiger on April 25, 2024, 01:34:15 PM
Here's a timely, relevant example (from librul Cali, no less):

In an order issued today, U.S. District Court Judge Vince Chhabria said that the hand-written notes of prosecutors from a 31-year-old murder case “constitute strong evidence that, in prior decades, prosecutors from the [Alameda County District Attorney’s] office were engaged in a pattern of serious misconduct, automatically excluding Jewish and African American jurors in death penalty cases.”

...

The apparent attempts to exclude Black and Jewish people from juries in homicide cases may have been based upon the belief that these groups would be less likely to convict someone if a death sentence was possible. Any exclusion of potential jurors because of their race or religion would have been unconstitutional.

Price said this behavior was not limited to one or two prosecutors but involved “a variety of prosecutors.” Price added that people who were identified in this manner did not end up on juries.


...

Price’s office is reviewing 35 active death penalty cases, and will potentially review matters dating to 1977. She said the review is starting with death penalty cases but other cases may be implicated.


https://oaklandside.org/2024/04/22/alameda-county-prosecutors-allegedly-excluded-black-people-and-jews-from-death-penalty-juries/
Are you actually trying to convey that striking a potential juror based on race is evidence of institutional racism? Seriously?

Because, I realize that I have brain damage and am very likely misunderstanding this. I actually hope that I am misunderstanding this and that I am the dumbass in this case. It certainly wouldn’t be the first time.

But if I am not mistaken and you actually are using this as evidence of institutional racism, you are the one with major problems. I mean as in, you should be disbarred for being a fucking idiot kind of problems.

If it’s the case, I would beat your ass so bad in a court case it would look like Snags vs Matlock. And I’d be Matlock.

You’d need that fat ass NY D.A. Bragg as the judge to have a shot.

That’s so fucking stupid that it actually doesn’t deserve a response. And I really have always thought you were fairly book smart and stuff. But, now? Fuck man.

Have you ever been checked for an aneurysm?
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: Snaggletiger on April 25, 2024, 02:23:21 PM
Are you actually trying to convey that striking a potential juror based on race is evidence of institutional racism? Seriously?

Because, I realize that I have brain damage and am very likely misunderstanding this. I actually hope that I am misunderstanding this and that I am the dumbass in this case. It certainly wouldn’t be the first time.

But if I am not mistaken and you actually are using this as evidence of institutional racism, you are the one with major problems. I mean as in, you should be disbarred for being a fucking idiot kind of problems.

If it’s the case, I would beat your ass so bad in a court case it would look like Snags vs Matlock. And I’d be Matlock.

You’d need that fat ass NY D.A. Bragg as the judge to have a shot.

That’s so fucking stupid that it actually doesn’t deserve a response. And I really have always thought you were fairly book smart and stuff. But, now? Fuck man.

Have you ever been checked for an aneurysm?

Matlock is dead, so I think I'd have a pretty good shot.
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: WiregrassTiger on April 25, 2024, 02:41:07 PM
Matlock is dead, so I think I'd have a pretty good shot.
Cross him off, then.
Title: Re: What would it take?
Post by: WiregrassTiger on April 27, 2024, 11:10:14 PM
I have decided that if Trump is convicted of any of the over 4,000 heinous crimes that the NY or Georgia legal scholars/DA’s have charged him with, that I am only going to vote for him once.