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The Library => Broun Hall => Topic started by: GH2001 on September 14, 2010, 11:28:38 AM
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Watched this last night over a span of 5 hours from 6-11 pm.Pretty good list OVERALL but there were definitely some I disagreed with on the list.
Some I thought obviously should have been higher - Elvis, Queen, Aretha Franklin, Pink Floyd, Elton John, Billy Joel........while some should have been lower or not even on the damned list - Alicia Keys, ABBA, Timberlake, Sade, Eminem. Comments to the side of list below. Seriously? Sade > Billy Joel? Holy shit.
Remember - this is the top 100 music artists of ALL FUCKING TIME. And its also just my opinion and I know the wench will get pissed about my opinion (and anyone else's who isn't tone deaf) of ABBA.
Thoughts?
100 Alicia Keys – really?? All time top 100?
99 Hall & Oates
98 Depeche Mode
97 Pretenders
96 Journey – should be higher
95 OutKast – should be higher
94 Mariah Carey – should be higher
93 Pearl Jam
92 LL Cool J – should be a little higher
91 Green Day
90 Elvis Costello
89 Beastie Boys
88 Bee Gees
87 George Michael
86 N.W.A.
85 The Band
84 Curtis Mayfield
83 Earth, Wind and Fire
82 Steely Dan – maybe a little higher
81 ABBA – shouldn’t even be on the list
80 Mary J. Blige
79 Eminem – shouldn’t even be on the list
78 Judas Priest
77 Lynyrd Skynyrd – should be higher
76 Run-D.M.C.
75 Rush – should be MUCH higher
74 The Cure
73 Van Morrison – should be much higher
72 Janis Joplin
71 R.E.M.
70 Def Leppard – should be higher
69 Tupac Shakur – should be higher
68 Otis Redding
67 Coldplay – should be lower
66 Justin Timberlake– shouldn’t even be on the list
65 The Doors – should be MUCH higher
64 Talking Heads – should be lower
63 Notorious B.I.G. – shouldn’t even be on the list
62 Genesis – should be higher
61 Cream – should be higher
60 Whitney Houston
59 Tom Petty & The Heartbreakers
58 Cheap Trick
57 Iggy & The Stooges
56 KISS
55 Peter Gabriel
54 Public Enemy – should be lower
53 Little Richard – should be higher
52 Beyoncé– shouldn’t even be on the list
51 Billy Joel – should be MUCH higher
50 Sade – shouldn’t even be on the list
49 Parliament-Funkadelic
48 Rage Against The Machine– should be lower
47 Jay-Z – shouldn’t even be on the list
46 Ramones
45 Al Green
44 Joni Mitchell – shouldn’t even be on the list. Shouldn't be on ANY list that is good.
43 Ray Charles – should be higher
42 Metallica
41 Van Halen
40 The Police
39 The Kinks
38 Sly & The Family Stone – should be lower
37 Fleetwood Mac
36 Paul McCartney
35 Johnny Cash
34 Tina Turner
33 Guns N’ Roses
32 Black Sabbath – should be higher
31 John Lennon – should be lower
30 Aerosmith
29 Radiohead – should be lower
28 Elton John – should be higher
27 Aretha Franklin – should be higher
26 Neil Young
25 Chuck Berry – should be higher
24 The Velvet Underground – should be lower
23 AC/DC
22 The Clash
21 Bruce Springsteen
20 Marvin Gaye
19 U2
18 Pink Floyd – should be higher
17 Queen – should be higher
16 Madonna – should be lower
15 The Beach Boys
14 Nirvana
13 The Who
12 David Bowie
11 Bob Marley
10 Stevie Wonder
09 James Brown – should be lower
08 Elvis Presley – should be higher
07 Prince – should be lower
06 Jimi Hendrix
05 Rolling Stones
04 Led Zeppelin
03 Michael Jackson
02 Bob Dylan
01 The Beatles
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Jesus! The fuck?
We have Alicia Keys, NWA, Timberlake and others who shit is all mixed in a studio and they take the beat from others music, but you can't include:
Gregg Allman
Duane Allman
Dickey Betts
Berry Oakley
Butch Trucks
Jai Johanny Johanson
Fuck this list and it's definition of a musician.
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When Elvis popped up at #8 and Prince came in at #7 I had to go throw up.
And you are right - The Allmans should be on here Top 30 AT LEAST. Billy Joel and Van Morrison behind Eminem and Beyonce as a "Music Artist"? Holy fuck.
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I believe the list was voted on by musicians and "music experts", which may explain some of the placements. Understand that many of them may cast their vote based on the influence that a particular artist may have/had on them. You may see a lot more current artists on the list that don't seem to have been around long enough to make it on there. Totally agree on Justin Timberlake. I think the guy is a great artist (At what he does) but to be in the top 100 is like Scottie Pippin making the Top 50 NBA players of all time list. Pffft....
Some that stand out to me. On the "Should be lower" list:
Sly & The Family Stone. I don't think this needs commentary other than WTF?
Neil Young. The guy may have had a huge influence on music...I guess...but I want to club baby seals whenever I hear him sing. However, no one makes me want to club those same baby seals along with a few cute otters, more than Bob Dylan. #2???? Look, every time I debate with anyone over Bob Dylan, I always get the "He's such a great song writer" argument. Yeah, so....let the fucker write poetry and never open his god awful pie hole so we have to hear him sing. #2??? And Nirvana #14? A garage band that got discovered in a time when that genre of music was coming out. Aerosmith has been putting out hits for 30+ years and they rank Curt GoBang's heroined out ass higher? Another big Pffft to them.
Higher on the list should be:
Elton John. Gay dude's been making #1 hits for longer than Aerosmith.
Did I miss Willie Nelson and or Hank Williams Jr.? And who is The Velvet Underground?
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I And who is The Velvet Underground?
You serious, Clark?
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Velvet Underground to me is in the same mold as the Ramones and the Clash - in the fact that they werent as known Mainstream but the people who did like them - LOVE THEM!
I personally didnt care for VU, but they are huge to a lot of folks.
Billy Joel and Elton John need to be much higher. Even if the dude is gayer than shit. The man has done nothing but write and sing #1 hits for 30+ years.
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The eagles didn't make the list..... :taunt:
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The eagles didn't make the list..... :taunt:
Yeah, thats fucked up too. Not a HUGE fan of theirs but def are a top 100 all time act.
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Yeah, thats fucked up too. Not a HUGE fan of theirs but def are a top 100 all time act.
Hotel California is worth a spot on the list.
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Billy Joel and Elton John need to be much higher. Even if the dude is gayer than shit. The man has done nothing but write and sing #1 hits for 30+ years.
I enjoy most of Sir Elton's catalog, but he only wrote 1/2 of the vast majority of those hits. Give Bernie Taupin some fuckin credit.
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You serious, Clark?
Didn't Slash play guitar for them with that STP dude singing?
Yep, serious. I've heard the name many times but can't say I've ever heard any of their stuff. Not that that means anything but top 25 of all time? And Jumbo, you're spot on the The Eagles. The group alone should be on there but they should easily make the list when you think of all the music the members put out on their own.
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I enjoy most of Sir Elton's catalog, but he only wrote 1/2 of the vast majority of those hits. Give Bernie Taupin some fuckin credit.
Tis true sir wes. Guess my point was he has sang a ton of #1's and written many of them. That certainly has to trump many of the listed acts by leaps and bounds.
Somewhere jmar is mad that the Moody Blues were left off.
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Didn't Slash play guitar for them with that STP dude singing?
Yep, serious. I've heard the name many times but can't say I've ever heard any of their stuff. Not that that means anything but top 25 of all time? And Jumbo, you're spot on the The Eagles. The group alone should be on there but they should easily make the list when you think of all the music the members put out on their own.
Dude. I'm at a loss.
"I'm Waiting For the Man"
"Heroin"
"Sweet Jane"
"Rock and Roll"
Lou Reed?
Nothin?
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Dude. I'm at a loss.
"I'm Waiting For the Man"
"Heroin"
"Sweet Jane"
"Rock and Roll"
Lou Reed?
Nothin?
You have to admit they are a BIT of a niche band. Just a little. Although they do have one of the more well known albums of all time.
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You have to admit they are a BIT of a niche band. Just a little. Although they do have one of the more well known albums of all time.
Sure they are. However, anyone who styles themselves a fan of music, should know them.
I'm looking directly at you, Snags.
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Dude. I'm at a loss.
"I'm Waiting For the Man"
"Heroin"
"Sweet Jane"
"Rock and Roll"
Lou Reed?
Nothin?
I'm just waitin for the man: They already have The Rolling Stones on the list.
Heroine: I was just as surprised about the diss on Eric Clapton as you were.
Sweet Jane: Always hated Neil Diamond. I got nuthin'
Rock and Roll: My favorite
Lou Reed: And the colored girls sing...Doo do do
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Lou Reed: And the colored girls sing...Doo do do
Fuck's sake...at least you know something.
I half-expected you to claim that Marky Mark and his Funky Bunch wrote that.
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Fuck's sake...at least you know something.
I half-expected you to claim that Marky Mark and his Funky Bunch wrote that.
Their cover of the song wasn't that good.
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I half-expected you to claim that Marky Mark and his Funky Bunch wrote that.
:bugs:
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Alright, where the fuck IS Clapton. Can't just list Cream and say you've covered it. The hell with that. Cheap Trick is up there with a grand total of 2 songs and Clapton is not? No Marky Mark? No NKOTB?
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Yeah, thats phuked up too. Not a HUGE fan of theirs but def are a top 100 all time act.
Agree, The Eagles are definately worth a spot on the top 100.
I believe the list was voted on by musicians and "music experts", which may explain some of the placements. Understand that many of them may cast their vote based on the influence that a particular artist may have/had on them.
I didn't see the criteria, my bad......then I can see how some are on that list, but as far as a purist is concerned, that list is poop. No Clapton, Cream, BB King, T-Bone Walker, Muddy Waters, and as you said no Willie and there are several others that I can think of that need to be on that list.
EDIT: I see Cream on there, never expected them to be at 60 something, but they are on it.
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Alright, where the fuck IS Clapton. Can't just list Cream and say you've covered it. The hell with that. Cheap Trick is up there with a grand total of 2 songs and Clapton is not? No Marky Mark? No NKOTB?
I don't disagree about Clapton standing on his own but you better step the fuck off on that "Cheap Trick" and "two songs" shit.
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I don't disagree about Clapton standing on his own but you better step the fuck off on that "Cheap Trick" and "two songs" shit.
Well, they did play both of them live in Japan, too.
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I don't disagree about Clapton standing on his own but you better step the fuck off on that "Cheap Trick" and "two songs" shit.
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Well, they did play both of them live in Japan, too.
You need to wean yourself off whatever rock station you have been zoned in on and listen to a larger sampling of work.
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Agree, The Eagles are definately worth a spot on the top 100.
I didn't see the criteria, my bad......then I can see how some are on that list, but as far as a purist is concerned, that list is poop. No Clapton, Cream, BB King, T-Bone Walker, Muddy Waters, and as you said no Willie and there are several others that I can think of that need to be on that list.
EDIT: I see Cream on there, never expected them to be at 60 something, but they are on it.
Agreed. If Cream is gonna be Clapton's spot on the list, it sure as hell needs to be top 15 not at fucking 60 something as you noted. He can stand alone in the top 10 IMHO. BB King, Muddy Waters - forgot them - holy fuck thats a travesty.
Just wait until the Wench gets a hold of this list.
And he hasn't posted it publicly yet, but djsimp is uber pissed that Duran Duran and Cinderella didn't make it. He is definitely nobody's fool, call it the reflex.
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Agreed. If Cream is gonna be Clapton's spot on the list, it sure as hell needs to be top 15 not at phuking 60 something as you noted. He can stand alone in the top 10 IMHO. BB King, Muddy Waters - forgot them - holy phuk thats a travesty.
Just wait until the Wench gets a hold of this list.
And he hasn't posted it publicly yet, but djsimp is uber pissed that Duran Duran, Boy George, and Cinderella didn't make it. He is pissed that George Michael isn't higher He is definitely nobody's fool, call it the reflex.
FTFY
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i hate the fact jerry lee lewis isn't on that list.
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i hate the fact jerry lee lewis isn't on that list.
Didn't even notice........the ones that most of us are mentioning are on The Rolling Stone list.
Rolling Stone list = god tier
VH1 = shit tier
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#87 on the list just got sentenced to a couple of months in jail and lost his license for 5 years. Hell, he only got stoned out of his mind and drove his car through the front wall of a store. It's not like he was soliciting blow jobs in the men's bathroom...
wait..what?
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I had to work today while downloading nearly 2GB of music from Jarhead... so I will reserve my comment until tomorrow...
But for now...
ABBA ROCKS!!!!!!!!!!!
GH - :fu:
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Oh, what the hell. insomnia city...
IMHO, Van Morrison should be #1 of all time. He has influenced more acts that you can name. The Beatles were prolific hacks. Yeah, I said it. Their stuff was original for the time, but so was MC Hammer - AT THAT TIME... Their shit is just stupid. Obla Di Obla Da Life Goes On? Seriously? Stupid. Paul is ok, and I can tolerate George, but Ringo is an idiot and John Lennon makes me want to club baby seals, smash a few otters and dump fifty thousand gallons of PCB-laced oil on Yoko Ono while she's riding a humpbacked whale.
Dylan - should have stuck to playing harmonica and writing songs for people with real talent to sing. His voice makes me seriously nauseous.
And Clapton not being on the list COMPLETLY invalidates the entire fucking thing. The man is a genius - a freaking talented as hell genius... his voice and his sound are completely unique. He could be singing with Bert & Ernie and you could hear the opening lines and say "hey, that's Clapton singing with some fucking Muppets".
Elton John is an icon. That is all. Fuck them if they don't recognize that.
Some stupid thirty year old-ish punkasses with nothing but MTv brains came up with that list. They probably never heard of Velvet Underground... or The Ramones... or the others who were excluded.
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Oh, what the hell. insomnia city...
IMHO, Van Morrison should be #1 of all time. He has influenced more acts that you can name. The Beatles were prolific hacks. Yeah, I said it. Their stuff was original for the time, but so was MC Hammer - AT THAT TIME... Their shit is just stupid. Obla Di Obla Da Life Goes On? Seriously? Stupid. Paul is ok, and I can tolerate George, but Ringo is an idiot and John Lennon makes me want to club baby seals, smash a few otters and dump fifty thousand gallons of PCB-laced oil on Yoko Ono while she's riding a humpbacked whale.
Dylan - should have stuck to playing harmonica and writing songs for people with real talent to sing. His voice makes me seriously nauseous.
And Clapton not being on the list COMPLETLY invalidates the entire fucking thing. The man is a genius - a freaking talented as hell genius... his voice and his sound are completely unique. He could be singing with Bert & Ernie and you could hear the opening lines and say "hey, that's Clapton singing with some fucking Muppets".
Elton John is an icon. That is all. Fuck them if they don't recognize that.
Some stupid thirty year old-ish punkasses with nothing but MTv brains came up with that list. They probably never heard of Velvet Underground... or The Ramones... or the others who were excluded.
Seriously though TW, our opinions of ABBA aside, I agree with your musical opinions here 100%. Dead on with Clapton and sir Elton. Van Morrison - couldn't have said it any better. Those 3 are the epitome of music in the 'purist' sense. If I had only read or seen the top 20, I might would have thought a little different, but the 100-21 spots are just garbage looking back on it now.
Some others I have thought of not on the list that maybe should be:
Yardbirds (Jeff Beck was omitted from the list as well)
Sam Cooke
Stevie Ray Vaughn
Simon and Garfunkel
Grateful Dead
Allman Brothers (as mentioned before)
Chicago
Smokey Robinson (guy practically invented the Motown machine)
The Temptations
Lionel Ritchie/Commodores
Phil Collins (him and Gabriel should be on here without Genesis)
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Disagree on the Beatles. You may think some of their stuff is stupid and I do as well, but you can't deny how influential they were. Joe Cocker, Steven Tyler, Offspring, Oasis, Jimi Hendrix, Elton John, David Bowie, and many others have covered their tracks. Too many interviews out there from artist that will list them as an influence.
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Disagree on the Beatles. You may think some of their stuff is stupid and I do as well, but you can't deny how influential they were. Joe Cocker, Steven Tyler, Offspring, Oasis, Jimi Hendrix, Elton John, David Bowie, and many others have covered their tracks. Too many interviews out there from artist that will list them as an influence.
Damnit - how did I miss TW's comments on the Beatles? I think I skipped right to Clapton.
Yes - bad, narrow view of the Beatles TW. They were not stupid. Look a little deeper into their music and the material they wrote and you will see it isn't stupid by any means.
They did some shit that had never been done before. They were innovative. Even down to the multiple time signatures in a lot of their songs and the unusual keys the songs were written in. Not many songs had been heard before them where the time sig and key would change during the song that many times - AND sound good at that (Day in the Life comes to mind). These guys were technicians, no doubt. The only way they look simplistic and stupid is if you listen to SOME of their songs on the surface for face value. To be the first to do a lot of the crap they did is what sets them apart to me. Its easy to copy, but its not easy to innovate.
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Damnit - how did I miss TW's comments on the Beatles? I think I skipped right to Clapton.
Yes - bad, narrow view of the Beatles TW. They were not stupid. Look a little deeper into their music and the material they wrote and you will see it isn't stupid by any means.
They did some shit that had never been done before. They were innovative. Even down to the multiple time signatures in a lot of their songs and the unusual keys the songs were written in. Not many songs had been heard before them where the time sig and key would change during the song that many times - AND sound good at that (Day in the Life comes to mind). These guys were technicians, no doubt. The only way they look simplistic and stupid is if you listen to SOME of their songs on the surface for face value. To be the first to do a lot of the crap they did is what sets them apart to me. Its easy to copy, but its not easy to innovate.
Most excellent take #2001.
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Disagree on the Beatles. You may think some of their stuff is stupid and I do as well, but you can't deny how influential they were. Joe Cocker, Steven Tyler, Offspring, Oasis, Jimi Hendrix, Elton John, David Bowie, and many others have covered their tracks. Too many interviews out there from artist that will list them as an influence.
OK - allow me to clarify.
The early Beatles were horrid. They had an impact on that generation but their early stuff is insipid and ridiculous - totally self-indulgent (to channel Cowell) commercial let's make a fast buck pop, no better than some of today's "cash in fast on the trend" artists. They were prolific at the expense of quality.
The serious Beatles stuff - some of which I will agree is pretty awesome, like Day In The Life and Yesterday - did not come until their pop culture moment had passed and they were able to worry less about making their name and were able to experiment. IMHO, the Stones were better from the get-go, from beginning until... well, until. Other groups were the same way - quality from the word go. You can even argue that Prince is an innovator too, and where is he on the list?
So for that reason, yes, they were influential, yes, not ALL of their stuff sucked, but I still intensely dislike early Beatles and disagree with them being #1 because of it. MASSIVE numbers of songs on the charts does not equal overall awesomeness.
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OK - allow me to clarify.
The early Beatles were horrid.
The serious Beatles stuff - some of which I will agree is pretty awesome, like Day In The Life and Yesterday - did not come until their pop culture moment had passed and they were able to worry less about making their name and were able to experiment. IMHO, the Stones were better from the get-go, from beginning until... well, until. Other groups were the same way - quality from the word go. You can even argue that Prince is an innovator too, and where is he on the list?
So for that reason, yes, they were influential, yes, not ALL of their stuff sucked, but I still intensely dislike early Beatles and disagree with them being #1 because of it. MASSIVE numbers of songs on the charts does not equal overall awesomeness.
So you are talking, "I want to hold your hand, love love me do"?
I would list Prince in my list, would have him in my top 30 to 40, which is why I hate this list. Rolling Stone top 100 has Prince listed. Also have Van Morrision listed and the Allman Brothers as well. I think we all agree, this list is pure horseshit.
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OK - allow me to clarify.
The early Beatles were horrid. They had an impact on that generation but their early stuff is insipid and ridiculous - totally self-indulgent (to channel Cowell) commercial let's make a fast buck pop, no better than some of today's "cash in fast on the trend" artists. They were prolific at the expense of quality.
The serious Beatles stuff - some of which I will agree is pretty awesome, like Day In The Life and Yesterday - did not come until their pop culture moment had passed and they were able to worry less about making their name and were able to experiment. IMHO, the Stones were better from the get-go, from beginning until... well, until.
Ok ok - I heart you again.
I am a sucker for the Stones as well. Ultimate showmen and party band.
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So you are talking, "I want to hold your hand, love love me do"?
Yeth.
Seriously insipid. Easy to write, easy to sing, catchy repetitive tune, requires very little musical skill to play, made panties drop all over the US. Score.
When half of your discography is music like Love Love Me Do, your credibility should be cut in half as well.
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Ok ok - I heart you again.
I am a sucker for the Stones as well. Ultimate showmen and party band.
The Stones were and are the real deal. First to whenever the last may come...
Smooches back at you...