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The SGA / Re: What would it take?
« Last post by wesfau2 on Today at 01:58:35 PM »

Since we are speaking on objective truths, I wanted to pick your brain on a couple more things:

1. How many genders are there? It's a spectrum.
2. Is capitalism bad for America? Not inherently, but the current iteration of it here in the US is not sustainable.
3. Should people be jailed for things that they say that do not incite violence? This is too broad, but I'm going to say that stochastic terrorism (even directed at a single person) should be actionable, yes.
4. Should children have a say in gender reassignment? A say, in coordination with their parents and physicians.
5. Is there a such thing as institutional racism? If so, where?  Yes.  Start with the interstate system if you somehow do not believe this objective truth, but it's ubiquitous due to the nature of the origination, management and funding of those institutions.
6. What conservative values to do you personally hold?  You're going to have to be specific.  Do you mean true conservatism or the bastard, mutant child that is the republican party that erroneously calls themselves "conservative"?
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The SGA / Re: What would it take?
« Last post by Snakebite on Today at 01:37:23 PM »
Rigged Election and No Insurrection are the lies, mostly the former but you can't have one without the other as the song goes.

You can understand why it would be hard to believe that Biden broke records in the popular vote.  I hope so at least.

No one is getting "cancelled."  They are experiencing negative consequences of saying stupid and shitty things, but that's what the 1st is all about: you can say it, but you're not free from the consequence of it.

There is an obvious attempt to enforce certain ideological speech.  There are countless examples, and dissenting opinions are labeled as hate speech.

Mueller said exactly that.  The problem is the semantic muddying of the use of "collusion."  You're correct, no one was charged with "collusion" because that doesn't exist as a crime.  Plenty of folks have been indicted/charged/convicted for improperly mediating between various russians and the Trump campaign.  Call that what you like, but it's fucking wrong.

I dislike the practice of using resources to dig up dirt on opponents.  In a perfect world, candidates would be elected based off policy, character, and merit alone.  I can all but guarantee that "collusion" happens on both sides.

Specifically what?  Every infringement on our rights has been by extremist xtian legislators and the sold-out shit weasels on the SCOTUS.

Weaponization of OSHA, a government agency, to enforce vaccine mandates as an example.  An obvious attempt near every election cycle to throw whatever they think can stick against Trump.  It's obvious it is all very politically driven to me.  That said, I don't think he is a man of high character.  All this stuff is bullshit that wouldn't see the light of day if he didn't have a shot to land the presidency.


Since we are speaking on objective truths, I wanted to pick your brain on a couple more things:

1. How many genders are there?
2. Is capitalism bad for America?
3. Should people be jailed for things that they say that do not incite violence?
4. Should children have a say in gender reassignment?
5. Is there a such thing as institutional racism? If so, where?
6. What conservative values to do you personally hold?

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The SGA / Re: What would it take?
« Last post by wesfau2 on Today at 12:58:13 PM »
Is 2+2=4 supposed to be the big lie?

Rigged Election and No Insurrection are the lies, mostly the former but you can't have one without the other as the song goes.

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1. No such thing as cancel culture.

No one is getting "cancelled."  They are experiencing negative consequences of saying stupid and shitty things, but that's what the 1st is all about: you can say it, but you're not free from the consequence of it.

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2. Russian collusion happened.

Mueller said exactly that.  The problem is the semantic muddying of the use of "collusion."  You're correct, no one was charged with "collusion" because that doesn't exist as a crime.  Plenty of folks have been indicted/charged/convicted for improperly mediating between various russians and the Trump campaign.  Call that what you like, but it's fucking wrong.

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3. Trump being a threat to democracy with examples of stuff the current administration is actually doing.

Specifically what?  Every infringement on our rights has been by extremist xtian legislators and the sold-out shit weasels on the SCOTUS.
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The SGA / Re: What would it take?
« Last post by wesfau2 on Today at 12:53:24 PM »


At this point, no one believes Biden was actually elected.

Yes, actually the majority of the country does.

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So do we really have meaningful elections now?

Yes.  The last election was the most litigated/scrutinized and there were no significant irregularities.  In fact, the bulk of the "voter fraud" was republicans voting multiple times.

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The Biden administration/left continues to use the DOJ to try and squelch Trump.

Enforcing the law isn't trying to "squelch" him. 
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The SGA / Re: What would it take?
« Last post by Snakebite on Today at 12:04:03 PM »
It begins mostly with "The Big Lie" and once folks internalize that one, they swallow the rest of them because they don't want to admit to being duped.

Is 2+2=4 supposed to be the big lie?

I am happy to admit when I am wrong.  All I care about is truth & the well-being of U.S. citizens.

There are some issues that you and I would definitely agree on such as: taking care of our planet, providing healthcare for all, social programs that help those in need (with the caveat that they get back on their feet in a designated period of time), and a few more I am sure.  I have gotten more conservative as I have aged, though.

What troubles me are the things that you are parading as truth.

1. No such thing as cancel culture.
2. Russian collusion happened.
3. Trump being a threat to democracy with examples of stuff the current administration is actually doing.

Just am genuinely having a hard time grasping your line of reasoning & some of the mental gymnastics you're having the perform to try to convince us that the blue cat is, in fact, yellow. 
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The SGA / Re: What would it take?
« Last post by WiregrassTiger on Today at 11:41:30 AM »
I'm talking about anyone who espouses absolute bunk.  Complete fabrications and lies deserve no quarter.  Regardless of who is putting it out there.  Unfortunately the entirety of the R identity is currently built upon such falsehoods.
What do you identify as?
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The SGA / Re: What would it take?
« Last post by WiregrassTiger on Today at 11:40:22 AM »
Fentynal deaths and brazen strong arm robberies (disguised as “shoplifting”) are at an all time high.

Inflation makes living as difficult as I’ve seen it since Jimmy Carter.

The stock market has thankfully not shown as much crash but it’s likely to follow.

Illegal aliens are crashing over the few National Guardsmen that Biden FINALLY brought in (too few and too late) to slow the #bidenbordercrisis. 8 MILLION since Sniffy was installed.

And the Smnowflakes are worried about hush money and porn stars but mostly…The Donald.

As usual, they are hoeing in the flower bed while the hay barn is on fire.
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The SGA / Re: What would it take?
« Last post by CCTAU on Today at 11:20:53 AM »
Which?  Provide evidence.

If Trump is elected, in your own words:

Meaningful elections will be a thing of the past.  The law enforcement/justice system will be weaponized against political opponents.  He's telling you all this, explicitly.

At this point, no one believes Biden was actually elected. Democrats did that. So do we really have meaningful elections now? Not on Trump. The Biden administration/left continues to use the DOJ to try and squelch Trump. Again, not Trump.

Yet here you are...
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The SGA / Re: What would it take?
« Last post by wesfau2 on Today at 11:08:54 AM »
It was an asinine statement. Ego and tribalism sure can cloud and twist truth.

Not that I am some authority on truth, but some of this stuff is 2+2=4, and we are seeing an argument that it should equal 5.

It begins mostly with "The Big Lie" and once folks internalize that one, they swallow the rest of them because they don't want to admit to being duped.
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The SGA / Re: What would it take?
« Last post by Snakebite on Today at 11:01:29 AM »
What day did you divorce reality?

It was an asinine statement. Ego and tribalism sure can cloud and twist truth.

Not that I am some authority on truth, but some of this stuff is 2+2=4, and we are seeing an argument that it should equal 5.
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