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Pat Dye Field => Signing Day => Topic started by: jadennis on January 18, 2010, 05:22:18 PM
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....that will mean Auburn has commitments from the #1 player in 4 different states. I thought that was pretty impressive, so I looked back at our previous classes to see how we have done in recent years in other states (when it comes to the top players from those states).
Since "top recruits" means something different in terms of numbers from every state, I looked proportionately at each state....meaning, the top 30 players in Mississippi is not the same thing as the top 30 players in Florida. For example, the #30 guy in Mississippi is a 3-star and had one offer...to Southern Miss. The #30 guy in Florida is a 4-star guy with offers to Tennessee, Alabama, Nebraska, etc.
So for Alabama I looked at the top 15. South Carolina the top 10. Georgia the top 25. Florida the top 25. Mississippi the top 10. Arkansas the top 10. And Louisiana the top 15.
Of those top spots in each state, Auburn has 14 players committed (counting Lattimore and Lemonier, so possibly only 12).
How does that 14 compare to previous seasons?
We had 4 for 2009.
We had 2 for 2008.
We had 11 for 2007.
We had 10 for 2006.
We had 10 for 2005.
We had 5 for 2004.
We had 6 for 2003.
We had 10 for 2002.
Regardless of how things turned out for various players in various years, we slipped in quality of players for 08 and 09. And even though we did a very good job in previous years, no year was as stacked as this year when it comes to getting the top ranked players from different southeastern states.
And how do those four #1-in-their-state recruits stack up? We had four #1-in-their-state recruits total in the previous 8 years.
This is as good a class as we've had (on paper) in a long time, no question.
PS. I hate the inevitable Tuberville comments that are sure to follow, but for those of you who act like he went to sleep on the recruiting trail after 2004...have a look at the numbers for 2005, 2006, and 2007....that's a lot of top recruits from those states. No arguing the fact that things fell off in 2008...but I don't know any Tuberville supporters who try to defend the class of 2008.
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I totally agree, thats why at the point we're at now we can feel pretty good about the coaches we have. Now lets see how they groom these kids to make a #1 football team. I personally believe that it will happen, especially with recruiting like this.
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I totally agree, thats why at the point we're at now we can feel pretty good about the coaches we have. Now lets see how they groom these kids to make a #1 football team. I personally believe that it will happen, especially with recruiting like this.
I totally agree. If we can do what we did with the depth we had and the overall lack of elite talent...I think these coaches can take top-notch talent and put us in position to win big. I'm not one for "I feel good about...blah, blah, blah"...I'm more a "follow the logic" kind of observer. And it just makes sense to me.
It's no guarantee, because I can also observe LSU winning 9 games with elite talent all over the place. But heck, Meyer and Tebow only won 9 games his sophomore year...most of which was due to youth. I hope everyone remembers things like that if Auburn only wins 8 games again this year. If we keep recruiting like this for 2-3 more years, I believe the wins will come.
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I would like to point out the most you guys had in one class before this season was 11 in 2007. Ironically, that 2007 class has been pointed at on numerous occasions as the reason for Auburn's depth problems now.
Recruiting is unpredictable, at best.
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This, this and this a THOUSAND times over.
2007 was when Tuberville was bar-b-quing ducks and being a lazy ass who cared more about himself than he did the school.
Do you not see the irony and idiocy of this entire exercise now? Please tell me the light bulb went off in a few of your heads.
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I would like to point out the most you guys had in one class before this season was 11 in 2007. Ironically, that 2007 class has been pointed at on numerous occasions as the reason for Auburn's depth problems now.
Recruiting is unpredictable, at best.
True and not true. We did lose some of the higher ranked guys in that class (like Enrique Davis, Johnnie Lee Dixon, Bo Harris, etc), but without the guys left from that class, we'd be Vanderbilt bad. Most of the time that class comes into discussion is when Tuberville supporters (myself) point out that it was the #7 rated class...at which point detractors point out how many guys fell out of that class.
But from that class, this years team got contributions from Zeimba, Burns, Bynes, Freeman, Pugh, Carr, Fairley, Carter, Slade, Byrum, and Herring.
Even with the guys that didn't work out, that class would still have been a solid Top 15 class probably. The problem was following it with the 2008 class, which was ranked 20th, but mostly because we had 31 kids signed in it. Add to it that it also lost highly ranked guys (Raven Gray, Reggie Hunt, Deron Furr) and didn't have much of what we needed (two linebackers, both gone, and two offensive line, both gone).
So coming out of the 2008 class we had no linebackers and no offensive lineman. Add that to the losses from the 2007 class, and we set ourselves back in a big way.
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True and not true. We did lose some of the higher ranked guys in that class (like Enrique Davis, Johnnie Lee Dixon, Bo Harris, etc), but without the guys left from that class, we'd be Vanderbilt bad. Most of the time that class comes into discussion is when Tuberville supporters (myself) point out that it was the #7 rated class...at which point detractors point out how many guys fell out of that class.
But from that class, this years team got contributions from Zeimba, Burns, Bynes, Freeman, Pugh, Carr, Fairley, Carter, Slade, Byrum, and Herring.
Even with the guys that didn't work out, that class would still have been a solid Top 15 class probably.
Yeah, but the argument isn't the class as a whole. Your argument is the top players. How much contribution did the 2009 Tigers get from the top 11 players that you singled out in the class?
Recruiting is probably the most important part of college football. I understand that. I'm just saying that it can't be predicted. You don't know who's going to flop. You don't know who's going to leave. You don't know who's going to get hurt.
You simply don't know.
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Recruiting is probably the most important part of college football. I understand that. I'm just saying that it can't be predicted. You don't know who's going to flop. You don't know who's going to leave. You don't know who's going to get hurt.
You simply don't know.
If you can't predict it with 100% accuracy, you're nothing but a lazy ass, duck grilling, BBQ bunching loser, dammit.
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Yeah, but the argument isn't the class as a whole. Your argument is the top players. How much contribution did the 2009 Tigers get from the top 11 players that you singled out in the class?
Recruiting is probably the most important part of college football. I understand that. I'm just saying that it can't be predicted. You don't know who's going to flop. You don't know who's going to leave. You don't know who's going to get hurt.
You simply don't know.
I don't disagree in the slightest that you just never know. Kaos and I used to argue on AuburnUndercover with this one guy alllll the time about that 2007 class. We would justify Tuberville's recruiting as of 2007 based on the fact that on signing day, it was what it was....which was the #7 class.
He would always play 20/20 and act like that class was a failure because of it turned out. But just like you say, you just never know who flops, gets injured, transfers, or doesn't qualify.
However, the point of the encouragement in this post was to say, all "unknowns" being applied consistently to any give year...starting with 14 of these type players is better than starting with 6. So even if we face 50% loss of these players, and we end up with 7 contributors, well that's still more than if all 6 in 20XX class worked out, and twice as many if the same 50% fall out rate happens to the class that started with 6 and ended up with only 3.
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The fact of the matter is Kaos and Token, this is by far one of/or the best recruiting classes for Auburn......oh, ever. So yeah, I would say its something to be excited about. You see, the thing is the guys that are being recruited are those of serious need and the top talent in their positions. Also, the coaches added top talent in ALL the skill positions and as jadennis has mentioned the top talent in all our surrounding states. You guys can pour your poison any way you like, the fact of the matter is 99.5% of Auburn fans are highly excited about this recruiting class. Now, Token your a sorry arse bammer so you have an excuse. Kaos, whats your excuse again?
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The fact of the matter is Kaos and Token, this is by far one of/or the best recruiting classes for Auburn......oh, ever. So yeah, I would say its something to be excited about. You see, the thing is the guys that are being recruited are those of serious need and the top talent in their positions. Also, the coaches added top talent in ALL the skill positions and as jadennis has mentioned the top talent in all our surrounding states. You guys can pour your poison any way you like, the fact of the matter is 99.5% of Auburn fans are highly excited about this recruiting class. Now, Token your a sorry arse bammer so you have an excuse. Kaos, whats your excuse again?
I agree this is a damn good class being put together by Auburn. I just thought it was ironic that "on paper", Auburn's best class of this decade (before this season) was a 2007 class that has been ridiculed by many Auburn fans as the key factor in Auburn's demise.
If I were simply looking to flame, I'd post links to the thousands of threads on Auburn message boards over the last 3 years ridiculing Bama fans over recruiting. Trust me, plenty to be had.
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The fact of the matter is Kaos and Token, this is by far one of/or the best recruiting classes for Auburn......oh, ever. So yeah, I would say its something to be excited about. You see, the thing is the guys that are being recruited are those of serious need and the top talent in their positions. Also, the coaches added top talent in ALL the skill positions and as jadennis has mentioned the top talent in all our surrounding states. You guys can pour your poison any way you like, the fact of the matter is 99.5% of Auburn fans are highly excited about this recruiting class. Now, Token your a sorry arse bammer so you have an excuse. Kaos, whats your excuse again?
Kaos doesn't like for Auburn to do good in anything. Hell, he'd probably be ticked if Auburn had a good Basketball team.
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However, the point of the encouragement in this post was to say, all "unknowns" being applied consistently to any give year...starting with 14 of these type players is better than starting with 6. So even if we face 50% loss of these players, and we end up with 7 contributors, well that's still more than if all 6 in 20XX class worked out, and twice as many if the same 50% fall out rate happens to the class that started with 6 and ended up with only 3.
This we agree on. Sign as much talent possible and hope that half of them are as advertised.
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I agree this is a damn good class being put together by Auburn. I just thought it was ironic that "on paper", Auburn's best class of this decade (before this season) was a 2007 class that has been ridiculed by many Auburn fans as the key factor in Auburn's demise.
If I were simply looking to flame, I'd post links to the thousands of threads on Auburn message boards over the last 3 years ridiculing Bama fans over recruiting. Trust me, plenty to be had.
Your right, but looking back and in the moment, one is glad to have good cruiten class (that of 2007). What one doenst realize, or overlooks for ratings sake, is that many of these dont qualify or transfer to the likes of Jacksonville St. The problem I have with those good cruiten classes for Tubs in his latter years is not so much the talent that he brought in, its the talent he couldnt keep. To add to that, of which jadennis has mentioned, is the lack of certain positions (OL &LB) that left Auburn high and dry. Dont get me wrong, I do like Tubs, he did do a helluva lot for Auburn, its just his cruiten hurt Auburn more than it hurt him. By the way, not one leveled headed football fan would argue that bamas cruiten classes didnt contribute to a NC.
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Kaos doesn't like for Auburn to do good in anything. Hell, he'd probably be ticked if Auburn had a good Basketball team.
Kaos would argue with a phuking rock, believe me I've there is a guy from AUC that is just like him. :)
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Kaos would argue with a phuking rock, believe me I've there is a guy from AUC that is just like him. :)
it probably is him...or greaseybammer.
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it probably is him...or greaseybammer.
No it wasnt greasy gizz gizz, he actually kept his name once he got banned over there and came here.
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Kaos would argue with a phuking rock, believe me I've there is a guy from AUC that is just like him. :)
Only if the rock is a dumbass. And some of the dumbasses prowling this site are dumber than rocks.
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Only if the rock is a dumbass. And some of the dumbasses prowling this site are dumber than rocks.
Nice word play...
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Only if the rock is a dumbass. And some of the dumbasses prowling this site are dumber than rocks.
Mad libs whoa.
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Another "if we land Lattimore" question...does it guarantee anything? Well, of course not, you just never know who will turn out to be what.
However, looking back to 2002, here are all twenty 5-star running backs. If you're a college football fan, you'll recognize nearly every name.
Ciatrick Fason
Gerald Riggs Jr
Jarious Norwood
Reggie Bush
Kregg Lumpkin
Demetrius Summers
Adrian Peterson
Jonathan Stewart
Marlon Lucky
Jason Gwaltney
Kevin Grady
Chris "Beanie" Wells
Stafon Johnson
Marc Tyler
Joe McNight
Jermie Calhoun
Darrell Scott
Christine Michael
Trent Richardson
Bryce Brown
A few had injuries that slowed them (Marc Tyler, Kregg Lumpkin, Kevin Grady), a couple were trouble guys and got kicked off their teams (Demetrius Summers, Jason Gwaltney), the USC guys shared time with 27 other 5-star running backs, and Darrell Scott was kind of a dud.
But aside from injuries and troubled kids, most of these guys contributed to their teams to varying degrees...anywhere from being among the leading rushers in their conference (Marlon Lucky, Gerald Riggs Jr, Joe McNight, Jerious Norwood, Ciatrick Fason) to being among the best in the country (Adrian Peterson, Reggie Bush, Beanie Wells, Jonathan Stewart). Then there are a few that seem destined to be notable as well (and already are to some extent), such as Brown, Richardson, Michael, and Calhoun.
If you subtract the injured and wayward, then both Dyer and Lattimore each has about an 87% chance of being a significant contributor to Auburn. Each guy also has about a 26% chance of being among the best in the country.
If we factor in the injured players (because that can happen to anyone), they each have a 72% chance of being significant contributors (among the league leaders), and a 22% chance of being among the nation's elite.
Of course, a sample size of only 20 guys isn't much, so who knows, one could be a dud and the other could have nagging injuries their whole career...it happens. But I would say that of the 20 guys named 5-star running backs the last 8 years, the group as a whole have had a pretty darn good showing.
In fact, subtracting the injured and wayward again, every guy on this list that isn't still in school has spent at least some time on an NFL roster.
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I don't see Mike Ford's name. That bitch was a 5 star in three straight Alabama classes.
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I don't see Mike Ford's name. That bitch was a 5 star in three straight Alabama classes.
He was a 4-star coming out of high school, 5-star after going to Hargrave Military. This was only from the high school list.
He'll be a 24 year old senior next year at South Florida. So far he's carried it 331 times for 1500 yards, but never more than 650 yards in any one year.
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I don't see Mike Ford's name. That bitch was a 5 star in three straight Alabama classes.
He was the prize of Bryant's last recruiting class.
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He was a 4-star coming out of high school, 5-star after going to Hargrave Military. This was only from the high school list.
He'll be a 24 year old senior next year at South Florida. So far he's carried it 331 times for 1500 yards, but never more than 650 yards in any one year.
It was a rhetorical question, Farley.
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It was a rhetorical question, Farley.
You actually didn't ask a question of any kind, I just thought I'd look him up and share the findings. we had a Mike Ford...we called him Raven Gray....turns out he had the knees of an 80 year old man.
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You actually didn't ask a question of any kind, I just thought I'd look him up and share the findings. we had a Mike Ford...we called him Raven Gray....turns out he had the knees of an 80 year old man.
yeah and Mike Ford had an ACT of a 6 year old.
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Recruiting "expert" on WJOX a few minutes ago said the Lattimore thing wasn't happening.
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Recruiting "expert" on WJOX a few minutes ago said the Lattimore thing wasn't happening.
That was from Lugi from ESPN cruiten. Lattimore will be an Auburn Tiger, Koas. Dont listen to them. If he dont I will come on this site and eat my crow.
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That was from Lugi from ESPN cruiten. Lattimore will be an Auburn Tiger, Koas. Dont listen to them. If he dont I will come on this site and eat my crow.
What about a hat?
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That was from Lugi from ESPN cruiten. Lattimore will be an Auburn Tiger, Koas. Dont listen to them. If he dont I will come on this site and eat my crow.
I thought he sounded stupid. Wasn't making a judgement, just telling you what the "skreets" be saying.
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What about a hat?
We don't make hat bets no more. BG03 at one point a few years ago on the other site predicted three Alabama receivers being drafted in the first round -- DJ Hall and a couple other talentless fucks -- or he'd eat his brim. Well, we know how the draft went. We sent him Tabasco, A-1, salt, pepper and mayonaise. He still didn't eat the damn hat.
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Recruiting "expert" on WJOX a few minutes ago said the Lattimore thing wasn't happening.
Shurburrt on ESPN also says Lemonier will go to Florida State. Most Auburn sites think Auburn leads. You just never know with this stuff. There are usually at least 2-3 places that feel "really good" about their chances with recruits.
Ken Adams is a perfect example. Even when he committed to Tennessee, everyone would have bet their farm (even if it only had two kernels of corn on it) that Adams was a done deal to Auburn. Then poof, he commits to LSU because of the guy that left UT to go there.
You just never know...no matter how much you know.
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Shurburrt on ESPN also says Lemonier will go to Florida State. Most Auburn sites think Auburn leads. You just never know with this stuff. There are usually at least 2-3 places that feel "really good" about their chances with recruits.
Ken Adams is a perfect example. Even when he committed to Tennessee, everyone would have bet their farm (even if it only had two kernels of corn on it) that Adams was a done deal to Auburn. Then poof, he commits to LSU because of the guy that left UT to go there.
You just never know...no matter how much you know.
The 'skreets' changed their tune once he didnt commit as a Jan. enrollee.
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The 'skreets' changed their tune once he didnt commit as a Jan. enrollee.
Therein lies the problem. IF the skreets were legit, and they're not, they would have known from the beginning. Otherwise, it's a fucking guess. It may be an educated guess, but it's still a guess. Anyone can guess.
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Therein lies the problem. IF the skreets were legit, and they're not, they would have known from the beginning. Otherwise, it's a fucking guess. It may be an educated guess, but it's still a guess. Anyone can guess.
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The 'skreets' changed their tune once he didnt commit as a Jan. enrollee.
But that's the point....we alllll knew something was up once he didn't commit right away and decided to go to LSU. But until then, everyone swore up and down he was Auburn bound.
EDIT: just saw the other posts.
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Therein lies the problem. IF the skreets were legit, and they're not, they would have known from the beginning. Otherwise, it's a fucking guess. It may be an educated guess, but it's still a guess. Anyone can guess.
In recruiting...."Da Skreets" are never 100% accurate, especially "from the beginning". When just about everyone, including myself, figured that he would become an Auburn Tiger...I began to question his ties with Frank Wilson, his UT recruiter that had gotten the job at LSU...I believe that I stated that it wouldn't surprise me if he committed to LSU.
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In recruiting...."Da Skreets" are never 100% accurate, especially "from the beginning". When just about everyone, including myself, figured that he would become an Auburn Tiger...I began to question his ties with Frank Wilson, his UT recruiter that had gotten the job at LSU...I believe that I stated that it wouldn't surprise me if he committed to LSU.
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You seriously can't see it?
"I wouldn't be surprised if he goes to Carolina"
"I wouldn't be surprised if he goes to LSU"
"I wouldn't be surprised if he went to Florida"
"I wouldn't be surprised if he ended up at Auburn."
"I wouldn't be surprised if he commits to Tennessee"
Fuck, dude, just list all 119 schools and you'll be right every single time, because you're never surprised.
It's like trying to talk to a retarded six year old.
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Methinks you guys are focusing more on the exceptions than the rules.
These kids themselves don't know 100% until signing day is over.
I personally enjoy seeing reports on these kids' thought process along the way. If you don't, then stay off of football message boards during the offseason. And stay out of this forum in particular at any time of year.
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Methinks you guys are focusing more on the exceptions than the rules.
These kids themselves don't know 100% until signing day is over.
I personally enjoy seeing reports on these kids' thought process along the way. If you don't, then stay off of football message boards during the offseason. And stay out of this forum in particular at any time of year.
So would I if I didn't have to sift through a bunch of bullshit "skreet" noise that has no veracity whatsoever.
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Methinks you guys are focusing more on the exceptions than the rules.
These kids themselves don't know 100% until signing day is over.
I personally enjoy seeing reports on these kids' thought process along the way. If you don't, then stay off of football message boards during the offseason. And stay out of this forum in particular at any time of year.
^^Taking notes Kaos?^^
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Also overlooked is the fact that shit changes.
Maybe these kids themselves thought they were going to school X until an outside stimulus changed their minds.
Believe it or not, some people change their minds based on events around them, dispite your inability to do so on certain other topics...
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Also overlooked is the fact that shit changes.
Maybe these kids themselves thought they were going to school X until an outside stimulus changed their minds.
Believe it or not, some people change their minds based on events around them, dispite your inability to do so on certain other topics...
I change my mind when conditions warrant.
Yes. Shit changes. That's why these bullshit "insider" posts are essentially worthless. So much of it is just some doofus ass making shit up to suit his personal agenda.
And the "if" posts are just ludicrious. If he commits, he commits, but if he doesn't, it was because he caught crabs from a male prostitute. Just absolute bullshit so somebody can say they were right when they didn't actually say a damn thing. I'll ridicule that until the sun burns out.
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Maybe everyone that has any "inside information" or "words from da skreets" should just stop posting them here. That way this message board would become just like the bammerham news or any newspaper for that matter, and find out a couple days later....you can bash all the fuck you want, fuckin' loser. It's a open board and we can post whatever the fuck we want. But don't let the facts that over 90% of the "Words on da skreets" have been correct.
Kaos' response <"Oh yeah, name the one's that've been correct">
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I believe in hard work and the Skreets.
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Therein lies the problem. IF the skreets were legit, and they're not, they would have known from the beginning. Otherwise, it's a phuking guess. It may be an educated guess, but it's still a guess. Anyone can guess.
Ok smart ass, I didnt really want to have to go into deep detail but I see I must be more elaborate. Ken Adams was being recruited as an early enrollee and was pretty much counted that way until, the recruit (not the skreets) had some grade issues to clear and wasnt going to be able to make it in. Also, Cameron Newton happened, and there went the available. Listen like I have said before, I dont really know poop about recruiten compared to those that spend the grunt work to really know. For the record, the 'skreets' is a term use loosely and recreational purposes, so you phukers need to back the phuk up.
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Ok smart ass, I didnt really want to have to go into deep detail but I see I must be more elaborate. Ken Adams was being recruited as an early enrollee and was pretty much counted that way until, the recruit (not the skreets) had some grade issues to clear and wasnt going to be able to make it in. Also, Cameron Newton happened, and there went the available. Listen like I have said before, I dont really know poop about recruiten compared to those that spend the grunt work to really know. For the record, the 'skreets' is a term use loosely and recreational purposes, so you phukers need to back the phuk up.
Backing up.
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Backing up into a well hung man.
fixt.
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Ok smart ass, I didnt really want to have to go into deep detail but I see I must be more elaborate. Ken Adams was being recruited as an early enrollee and was pretty much counted that way until, the recruit (not the skreets) had some grade issues to clear and wasnt going to be able to make it in. Also, Cameron Newton happened, and there went the available. Listen like I have said before, I dont really know poop about recruiten compared to those that spend the grunt work to really know. For the record, the 'skreets' is a term use loosely and recreational purposes, so you phukers need to back the phuk up.
I understand, however, the Auburn coaches made it clear when Newton was visiting that they would still take both JUCO players (Newton and Adams, and that one of them would just count towards this year). So all I'm saying is that even with Newton visiting and then committing, we would have still taken Adams had he wanted to come, which is what all of us anticipated.
Backing up now...hopefully not into any man, well hung or otherwise.
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fixt.
Green is a good color for you. It really brings out your eyes.
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You actually didn't ask a question of any kind, I just thought I'd look him up and share the findings. we had a Mike Ford...we called him Raven Gray....turns out he had the knees of an 80 year old man.
Damn that would still be some kinda speed for an 80 yr. old. what 4.6-4.8 40?
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Lattimore hosted some Auburn coaches today in Duncan, SC. As of tonight, according to J. Lee at Rivals, Lattimore WILL make an unofficial visit to Auburn this weekend. He is hosting Gene Chizik for an in-home visit on the 28th, and Spurrier on the 30th.
Mack will NOT be making a trip in this weekend. No need.