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Pat Dye Field => War Damn Eagle => Topic started by: djsimp on December 19, 2009, 09:36:10 AM
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Check out this link. Once your done reading the article, make sure you go down and tread the post by Zippy Gator.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/310832-could-cameron-newton-be-auburns-next-quarterback (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/310832-could-cameron-newton-be-auburns-next-quarterback)
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I don't know if I believe that story. It seems like every time an athlete gets in trouble with the police, there's a backstory that attempts to alleviate the severity of the crime.
However, it does make me feel a little better knowing that Dan Mullen is recruiting Newton. Mullen would know from first hand experience if the guy was a cancer. I guess he has faith in him if he's willing to sign him at Miss St.
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Check out this link. Once your done reading the article, make sure you go down and tread the post by Zippy Gator.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/310832-could-cameron-newton-be-auburns-next-quarterback (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/310832-could-cameron-newton-be-auburns-next-quarterback)
Good find.
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Bleacher Report = FAIL-a-PALOOZA
I know. I used to contribute there.
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Bleacher Report = FAIL-a-PALOOZA
I know. I used to contribute there.
Fuck the Bleacher Report.
I want to know what you think about Newton, K. Good...bad....you can't possibly be indifferent.
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Regardless of where the article was found, the guy seems to be a good fit at QB. Call it a hunch, Newton will be signing with AUburn in the next couple of days. He will count towards last year.
He might have done what he was accused of, or he might not have. I agree that Mullen has more of an insight to what really happen than anyone and he wants this guy.
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He will certainly draw a heap of attention wherever he signs.
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I'm inclined to think he did steal it. If he didn't, wouldn't it be easy to just get the person he purchased it from to explain to the police that he had legitimately bought it? Seems like an easy enough thing to prove if it's true.
However, I'm okay with the fact that he stole it....if it's something that is not consistent with his character. I mean, haven't we all done something dumb...especially at that age? If he had been in and out of trouble through high school, at Florida, and now at Blinn, that would be different.
But apparently this is the lone blip on the radar of his past. It doesn't seem to be in line with his typical character, but rather a single act that was in contrast to his typical character.
If that's the case, then I'm all for adding him. He's obviously talented. I'd sign him just to have him run over another Tennessee d-back (I mean d-bag) like in that youtube clip.
Just think, if he is a good fit for the offense, we could ride him for two years, then have a junior Rollison step in for two more years (also assuming he is capable). It would bring a lot of stability to have the next four years of QB play wrapped up.
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As long as he doesnt hold me up at the spur on university w/ a pellet gun I say he's cool. As far as coming in and playing right away, God I hope so.
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I don't know if I believe that story. It seems like every time an athlete gets in trouble with the police, there's a backstory that attempts to alleviate the severity of the crime.
However, it does make me feel a little better knowing that Dan Mullen is recruiting Newton. Mullen would know from first hand experience if the guy was a cancer. I guess he has faith in him if he's willing to sign him at Miss St.
Word on the skreets....Another ex-Florida coach, Coach Charlie Strong, has tried to make contact with him about coming to Louisville. So, that would be another coach with more knowledge about the situation than everyone else. I say sign this bad mutha fucka up and let's rock this sumbitch.
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Again, I don't think that just because Mullen and Strong want him means he didn't do it.
It could just mean, like my previous post was saying, that the mistake was out of character for him. It could also have something to do with them being at Mississippi State and Louisville...but I doubt it.
I think most likely its because they know the kid to be a good person and that his mistake was an isolated incident.
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Who hasnt bought, or at least thought about buying, something you knew was stolen?
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Look if the guy has the talent you go after him. We'll worry about the pixie dust and sugar plums later on. :sneer:
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Who hasnt bought, or at least thought about buying, something you knew was stolen?
I have supplied my whole house with stole......I mean under priced electronics. I just cant cash in on my warranties.
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Who hasnt bought, or at least thought about buying, something you knew was stolen?
Listen to this man.
The Auburn Conference Center will back me up on this one.
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phuk the Bleacher Report.
I want to know what you think about Newton, K. Good...bad....you can't possibly be indifferent.
But I really am sort of indifferent. I don't care either way. It's funny to me to watch a couple of people whose Rollison spuzz stains aren't even dry whirling around and having another spasming orgasm over Newton (again without ever seeing either guy play a down of SEC football). There's that.
As for the character issues, I don't think Strong or Mullen's alleged interest is any indicator of his alleged angelic nature or that what he was charged of didn't happen. Nor do I take it as a sign that he's reformed in any way.
Both Mullen and Strong are in a different (and theoretically more desperate) position. Mullen has to draw a "big" name in order to make Mississippi State appear relevant and have a chance in a brutal recruiting war. He'd take OJ Simpson and outfit him with new gloves if the Juice had any eligibility or talent left. Strong needs to prove that he was the right guy to bring Louisville back to national prominence. He'd sign Roman Polanski if he could get him in the country and if Polanski could throw the ball.
Who isn't recruiting Newton? Florida. A team that will need a quarterback with Tebow leaving. Alabama. A team that doesn't have anybody behind McElroy. Georgia. Tennessee. South Carolina. Maybe there's a reason. Maybe there's not.
It's funny how fickle people are. Tuberville is getting raped for being a lazy ass, sorry recruiting son of a bitch coach partially because in the last few years he took chances on a couple of guys -- Tray Blackmon for instance -- who had some baggage maybe and then didn't work out.
Would Tuberville take a chance on a kid with baggage? I don't think so unless there were extenuating circumstances. Would he do so when he had a Caudle, who's patiently waited for his turn, and a Rollison -- who was supposedly promised by this staff that it wouldn't recruit another QB in this signing class? Again, I don't think so.
Does that mean it's wrong? Not necessarily. I don't know what they know. Maybe they've figured out that Rollison isn't going to make it. Going back on their word (if they did, in fact, make said promise) and recruiting a QB when they said they wouldn't is not a good sign for his future, honestly.
A couple of people around here seem to think that experience is worthless (unless it suits their argument) but in the years I've spent around football I've seen a lot of coaches (people I worked with, too) bend rules or twist their own judgement for guys with talent. It works out about 25% of the time. We had one kid who got caught up with a bad bunch and stole a bunch of TVs from the elementary school. He took his second chance, worked his tail off and was a model student and player. He rose above. For every one like that, there are three others who are remain true to their upbringing and nature. They end up being cancers.
I don't know what this kid did for sure. My best guess based on the information presented is that he did what he was accused of, got caught, got out of it (as most kids do unless its repetitive) and moved on. If he put it behind him and it was an isolated incident, that's great. But unless I have the chance (as Auburn's staff does) to look him in the eyes and ask the right questions, I can't say whether he's ready or not. I trusted Tuberville to ask the right questions and make the right judgement. He did it too many times. Can't say whether Chizik can or not yet.
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Newton (again without ever seeing either guy play a down of SEC football). There's that.
For the sake of accuracy, let the record show that Newton did, in fact, play at least one down of football for UF.
CAMERON NEWTON STATS Passing Rushing
Statistics Att Comp Pct Yds TD Int Rating Att Yds Avg TD
2008 2 1 50.0 14 0 0 108.8 5 10 2.0 1
2007 10 5 50.0 40 0 0 83.6 16 103 6.4 3
Career 12 6 50.0 54 0 0 87.8 21 113 5.4 4
He also beat out Tebow's heir apparent, John Brantley, to get these opportunities.
Not saying that it justifies any excitement over the kid, but I know how you like to be accurate.
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For the sake of accuracy, let the record show that Newton did, in fact, play at least one down of football for UF.
CAMERON NEWTON STATS Passing Rushing
Statistics Att Comp Pct Yds TD Int Rating Att Yds Avg TD
2008 2 1 50.0 14 0 0 108.8 5 10 2.0 1
2007 10 5 50.0 40 0 0 83.6 16 103 6.4 3
Career 12 6 50.0 54 0 0 87.8 21 113 5.4 4
He also beat out Tebow's heir apparent, John Brantley, to get these opportunities.
Not saying that it justifies any excitement over the kid, but I know how you like to be accurate.
He's never wrong, remember.
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For the sake of accuracy, let the record show that Newton did, in fact, play at least one down of football for UF.
CAMERON NEWTON STATS Passing Rushing
Statistics Att Comp Pct Yds TD Int Rating Att Yds Avg TD
2008 2 1 50.0 14 0 0 108.8 5 10 2.0 1
2007 10 5 50.0 40 0 0 83.6 16 103 6.4 3
Career 12 6 50.0 54 0 0 87.8 21 113 5.4 4
He also beat out Tebow's heir apparent, John Brantley, to get these opportunities.
Not saying that it justifies any excitement over the kid, but I know how you like to be accurate.
Good pickup. I knew he was on the Florida roster but wasn't aware that he'd played any.
Doesn't really change any of the rest of my position in terms of whether he'd fit or not -- because even with this, I really don't know.
Comes down to trust basically. I trusted Tuberville to make the right decision in these cases. If this kid signs with Auburn we'll get to see whether Chizik makes the right call or not.
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Good pickup. I knew he was on the Florida roster but wasn't aware that he'd played any.
Doesn't really change any of the rest of my position in terms of whether he'd fit or not -- because even with this, I really don't know.
Comes down to trust basically. I trusted Tuberville to make the right decision in these cases. If this kid signs with Auburn we'll get to see whether Chizik makes the right call or not.
Right or wrong Tuberville is not here to make that decision so that's a red herring. Since we are discussing what Tuberville would or would not do, didn't didn't he recruit this kid to begin with?
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Good pickup. I knew he was on the Florida roster but wasn't aware that he'd played any.
Doesn't really change any of the rest of my position in terms of whether he'd fit or not -- because even with this, I really don't know.
Comes down to trust basically. I trusted Tuberville to make the right decision in these cases. If this kid signs with Auburn we'll get to see whether Chizik makes the right call or not.
Ok. I'm assuming this is genuine.
Has Chizik not suspended/let go enough impact players to let you even lean in favor of giving him the benefit of the doubt?
Rollison included, which is why this discussion is even being had.
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Don't know the situation with Rollison. Perhaps aftereffects void principal understanding about recruiting other QB's. If Strawberry could still hit 30-40 homers and drive in 100+ no team would look the other way if they needed the run production. Haven't seen evidence of Rollison or Newton being Manninglike as a passer though.
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Ok. I'm assuming this is genuine.
Has Chizik not suspended/let go enough impact players to let you even lean in favor of giving him the benefit of the doubt?
Rollison included, which is why this discussion is even being had.
Not really. He doesn't have enough of a resume to know if he makes the right decisions or not. Was letting Eric Smith play the right call? I might have done the same thing, but we don't have the information. We don't know what he knew. Maybe the guys he kicked out didn't deserve it and maybe Smith should have been booted. I really have no idea.
Not enough information to make a real determination. Am I less concerned that he'll screw it up than I was a year ago when his name came up in the coaching search? Somewhat, but not a great deal.
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Right or wrong Tuberville is not here to make that decision so that's a red herring. Since we are discussing what Tuberville would or would not do, didn't didn't he recruit this kid to begin with?
I don't like the color red. Can you make the herring another color please?
I only put Tuberville there as a comparison. As for whether he recruited him or not, that's another colored fish. When he was being recruited then, had he stolen computers and been booted from an SEC team?
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I don't like the color red. Can you make the herring another color please?
I only put Tuberville there as a comparison. As for whether he recruited him or not, that's another colored fish. When he was being recruited then, had he stolen computers and been booted from an SEC team?
Another point in the name of accuracy:
Newton was charged with receiving stolen property, not theft.
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Another point in the name of accuracy:
Newton was charged with receiving stolen property, not theft.
Hairs are split. If only Tres Dumigos had your nose.
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Right or wrong Tuberville is not here to make that decision so that's a red herring. Since we are discussing what Tuberville would or would not do, didn't didn't he recruit this kid to begin with?
Actually, I think the truth is that Tuberville was higher on Kodi Burns than he was on Newton coming out of HS.
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Hairs are split. If only Tres Dumigos had your nose.
I just know that you value accuracy.
I'm here to help.
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But I really am sort of indifferent. I don't care either way. It's funny to me to watch a couple of people whose Rollison spuzz stains aren't even dry whirling around and having another spasming orgasm over Newton (again without ever seeing either guy play a down of SEC football). There's that.
As for the character issues, I don't think Strong or Mullen's alleged interest is any indicator of his alleged angelic nature or that what he was charged of didn't happen. Nor do I take it as a sign that he's reformed in any way.
Both Mullen and Strong are in a different (and theoretically more desperate) position. Mullen has to draw a "big" name in order to make Mississippi State appear relevant and have a chance in a brutal recruiting war. He'd take OJ Simpson and outfit him with new gloves if the Juice had any eligibility or talent left. Strong needs to prove that he was the right guy to bring Louisville back to national prominence. He'd sign Roman Polanski if he could get him in the country and if Polanski could throw the ball.
Who isn't recruiting Newton? Florida. A team that will need a quarterback with Tebow leaving. Alabama. A team that doesn't have anybody behind McElroy. Georgia. Tennessee. South Carolina. Maybe there's a reason. Maybe there's not.
It's funny how fickle people are. Tuberville is getting raped for being a lazy ass, sorry recruiting son of a bitch coach partially because in the last few years he took chances on a couple of guys -- Tray Blackmon for instance -- who had some baggage maybe and then didn't work out.
Would Tuberville take a chance on a kid with baggage? I don't think so unless there were extenuating circumstances. Would he do so when he had a Caudle, who's patiently waited for his turn, and a Rollison -- who was supposedly promised by this staff that it wouldn't recruit another QB in this signing class? Again, I don't think so.
Does that mean it's wrong? Not necessarily. I don't know what they know. Maybe they've figured out that Rollison isn't going to make it. Going back on their word (if they did, in fact, make said promise) and recruiting a QB when they said they wouldn't is not a good sign for his future, honestly.
A couple of people around here seem to think that experience is worthless (unless it suits their argument) but in the years I've spent around football I've seen a lot of coaches (people I worked with, too) bend rules or twist their own judgement for guys with talent. It works out about 25% of the time. We had one kid who got caught up with a bad bunch and stole a bunch of TVs from the elementary school. He took his second chance, worked his tail off and was a model student and player. He rose above. For every one like that, there are three others who are remain true to their upbringing and nature. They end up being cancers.
I don't know what this kid did for sure. My best guess based on the information presented is that he did what he was accused of, got caught, got out of it (as most kids do unless its repetitive) and moved on. If he put it behind him and it was an isolated incident, that's great. But unless I have the chance (as Auburn's staff does) to look him in the eyes and ask the right questions, I can't say whether he's ready or not. I trusted Tuberville to ask the right questions and make the right judgement. He did it too many times. Can't say whether Chizik can or not yet.
After going through and kicking out your crutches, bait lines you added, statements taken out of context and other BS, it was good to see an actual opinion.
Fact is, I agree with almost everything you said here. Especially about Mullen. I don't think Louisville and Strong have a program that's attractive enough yet for Newton.
You can question the kid's past, but you have to trust that the coaches that have been eyeball to eyeball with him, and the kid appreciates getting the opportunity to get a second chance. Some kids respond, some don't (ie; Tray Blackmon...)
I do believe that regardless of what's happened in bringing in a QB after what's been said to TR last year (as in not bringing in a QB this recruiting class) has to do more with the needs of AU and TR's maturity issues on and off the field. I think TR is eventually going to be THE man for Auburn, or at least I hope with his talent, that the space between his ears allows it. It appears that the coaches think with the great talent we have, plus the talent we have coming in that could impact immediately (Dyer and OL signees), that getting a QB that isn't going to be doing on the job training might be a better way to go right now. We need a good QB, and Newton needs a good team now. It seems to be a good fit both ways.
As far as Chizik goes, you're absolutely right, there's no way to know yet. I AM encouraged at his tough stance on shenanigans so far, and would have to lean that he's doing it right behind the scenes there.
I think you finally said it best, when you said, "I don't know what they know."
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Leaving aside the most recent ex-UF coaches, what do we think of Stoops recruiting the kid?
Surely he picked up the phone and called Foley to ask what the fuck went down.
Bob also has a much less desperate situation than Strong and Mullen.
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Good pickup. I knew he was on the Florida roster but wasn't aware that he'd played any.
Doesn't really change any of the rest of my position in terms of whether he'd fit or not -- because even with this, I really don't know.
Comes down to trust basically. I trusted Tuberville to make the right decision in these cases. If this kid signs with Auburn we'll get to see whether Chizik makes the right call or not.
True that. No one really knows if any of our QB's would be the right call. Tuberville did handle the misfits pretty well. So far though, we have seen Chizik handle those that have not follow the rules in like manner has Tuberville, maybe even a little more harsh. Both of these guys have done a pretty good job keeping out of the media circus.
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Leaving aside the most recent ex-UF coaches, what do we think of Stoops recruiting the kid?
Surely he picked up the phone and called Foley to ask what the phuk went down.
Bob also has a much less desperate situation than Strong and Mullen.
Is his situation really less desperate than either Strong or Mullen? He's another bad year away from having his pants on fire. The OU crowd is sick of seeing the mountain but not getting to plant the flag when other programs kick them off the summit.
He'd kill a thousand Ecuadorean housewives to get another NC and stake himself to OU until retirement. I think he's definitely desperate enough to take a chance on a kid who was good enough to catch Urban's eye at some point.
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Is his situation really less desperate than either Strong or Mullen? He's another bad year away from having his pants on fire. The OU crowd is sick of seeing the mountain but not getting to plant the flag when other programs kick them off the summit.
He'd kill a thousand Ecuadorean housewives to get another NC and stake himself to OU until retirement. I think he's definitely desperate enough to take a chance on a kid who was good enough to catch Urban's eye at some point.
I'd say he's less desperate (or should be) in that he's had quite a few years to stockpile talent. He should have Bradford's replacement lined up (though, clearly the kid needs work).
Mullen and Strong need to start hard and fast.
I'm not familiar enough with OU's roster to know how desperate he could be.
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Didn't Bradford's replacement, Landry Jones (sp?) play fairly well considering the position he was put in? Oklahoma shouldn't be hurting too much in other areas. Interesting take though....
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I remember the impact Rudi Johnson had on a team and it gave Auburn instant cred and it is very possible that Newton could do the same. Would Tubs balk on this guy if there was interest? I'm guessing no and the difference in a tight ship is the captain but the circumstances are different in either case. The guy can change the landscape in the SEC West if not nationally and might attract some more talent than would otherwise be expected. Egos and chemistry aside, Auburn needs the best it can get.
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Didn't Bradford's replacement, Landry Jones (sp?) play fairly well considering the position he was put in? Oklahoma shouldn't be hurting too much in other areas. Interesting take though....
What was OU's record this year?
7-5? We'd have been ready to run Tuberville if he'd followed 2004 with 7-5.
11-3, 11-3, 12-2, 7-5. I'd say they have QB issues behind Bradford.
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Jones might have kept his scalp, but barely. Oklahoma has to be after Newton as well, damn west Tuscaloosa and becoming the next John Bond / Fourcade. Newton went to Blinn JC and that must have felt like a poor mans Starkville after Gainesville.
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Another accuracy point is that he wasn't kicked out of the Florida program. He left on his own accord. I haven't heard the exact reasoning (from his mouth), but I can say that he left on his own while the "charges" were still up in the air. He likely would have been able to stay, but left knowing Tebow would be starting the rest of the time anyway.
Landry Jones isn't a problem in Oklahoma. He played pretty well most of the time, finishing with a 129 passer rating. The offensive line (which was mostly new this year) was the main problem (poor run blocking....the same two backs that ran for over 2,200 yards last year ran for less than 1,400 this year).
They also played Miami and BYU in the non-conference schedule (2 of their 5 losses). Then they lost to #2 Texas, lost 10-3 on the road to the same Nebraska team that almost took out Texas, and got beat up on the road against Texas Tech (where they haven't won since 2003). They also currently have the #5 QB in the country signed for 2010. OU is/will be fine.
Georgia signed two of the top 10 QBs in the country in their 09 class. Tennessee already signed a JUCO QB (pro-style pocket guy) and a 4-star high school QB this year (and I'm pretty sure these yahoos wouldn't back off a kid for allegedly stealing a computer). Alabama has 3 underclassman behind McElroy and currently has the #2 QB committed for 2010.
Most SEC teams just really don't have a situation where bringing in a two year guy would be much of a benefit.
As of now, we're hanging our hat on Caudle (not quite a Todd), and a bunch of guys who haven't played, one of which is coming off an injury, and another who may not be around.
Like I said before...he has no "pattern" of having problems. He doesn't appear to be in problem kid, not in the least. Buying a stolen laptop is hardly the sign of a team cancer. I know when he ran over that Tennessee DB in the youtube clip, his teammates were going nuts for him on the sideline (St Tebow included). He has a lot of energy, appears to be talented, and would/could be a nice bridge for the next two years until we get to Rollison or someone else.
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Another accuracy point is that he wasn't kicked out of the Florida program. He left on his own accord. I haven't heard the exact reasoning (from his mouth), but I can say that he left on his own while the "charges" were still up in the air. He likely would have been able to stay, but left knowing Tebow would be starting the rest of the time anyway.
Yes. And Tuberville resigned.
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I know when he ran over that Tennessee DB in the youtube clip, his teammates were going nuts for him on the sideline (St Tebow included).
Didn't see where the clip was posted, but here it is for those interested...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e60_8ln-MgE# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e60_8ln-MgE#)
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Didn't see where the clip was posted, but here it is for those interested...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e60_8ln-MgE# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e60_8ln-MgE#)
Bullshit, that's Florida's Scrimmage game because........
But I really am sort of indifferent. I don't care either way. It's funny to me to watch a couple of people ... having another spasming orgasm over Newton (without ever seeing (him) play a down of SEC football). There's that.
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Another point in the name of accuracy:
Newton was charged with receiving stolen property, not theft.
Rebuttal now? References to this issue in other threads refer to "stole a laptop from another student." I assumed this to be true.
Further research indicates that you are inaccurate or at least that reports are inconsistent.
" Then on November 21, Newton was arrested for burglary and obstruction of justice. [2]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cameron_Newton (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cameron_Newton)
Florida backup quarterback Cameron Newton was arrested on Friday after stealing a laptop. Allegedly, Newton stole the laptop over a month ago and was discovered with it after he used it to access the university’s network. When police arrived at Newton’s dorm room to investigate, they noticed a laptop with Newton’s name painted across it. The officers returned later to investigate further and the laptop was gone. In a fit of panic, Newton had thrown it out the window (SMART!). Newton has since been arrested, charged with burglary, larceny, and obstructing justice, and suspended from the team.
http://thebullgator.blogspot.com/2008/11/cameron-newton-arrested-charged-with.html (http://thebullgator.blogspot.com/2008/11/cameron-newton-arrested-charged-with.html)
Burglary isn't RSP. I'm good with how it was originally phrased.
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Rebuttal now? References to this issue in other threads refer to "stole a laptop from another student." I assumed this to be true.
Further research indicates that you are inaccurate or at least that reports are inconsistent.
" Then on November 21, Newton was arrested for burglary and obstruction of justice. [2]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cameron_Newton (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cameron_Newton)
Florida backup quarterback Cameron Newton was arrested on Friday after stealing a laptop. Allegedly, Newton stole the laptop over a month ago and was discovered with it after he used it to access the university’s network. When police arrived at Newton’s dorm room to investigate, they noticed a laptop with Newton’s name painted across it. The officers returned later to investigate further and the laptop was gone. In a fit of panic, Newton had thrown it out the window (SMART!). Newton has since been arrested, charged with burglary, larceny, and obstructing justice, and suspended from the team.
http://thebullgator.blogspot.com/2008/11/cameron-newton-arrested-charged-with.html (http://thebullgator.blogspot.com/2008/11/cameron-newton-arrested-charged-with.html)
Burglary isn't RSP. I'm good with how it was originally phrased.
No rebuttal. I read an article that referred to the charge as receiving stolen property.
Unless we pull the arrest report, we can't be sure what the charge was. Wikipedia and a blog aren't irrefutable reference materials.
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Neithrr is an apocryphal article that I haven't seen. You cannot claim I was inaccurate since you are no more sure of the answer than I.
Can't claim an inaccuracy on my part when credible available evidence says otherwise.
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Neithrr is an apocryphal article that I haven't seen. You cannot claim I was inaccurate since you are no more sure of the answer than I.
Can't claim an inaccuracy on my part when credible available evidence says otherwise.
ie - prove aliens DON'T exist.
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I think it's water under the bridge now. The guy learned his lesson so let's go forward.
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I think it's water under the bridge now. The guy learned his lesson so let's go forward.
This is bullshit. If UAT was recruiting this kid all you guys would be saying is how Saban will do anything to win and recruits thugs, and that Auburn would never let someone like this in the "Auburn family". I call bullshit on your hypocrisy. UAT and AU fans are the same.
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This is bullshit. If UAT was recruiting this kid all you guys would be saying is how Saban will do anything to win and recruits thugs, and that Auburn would never let someone like this in the "Auburn family". I call bullshit on your hypocrisy. UAT and AU fans are the same.
Some would and some wouldn't. Some people have no problem with Saban or Chizik or Stoops or anybody else for that matter, recruiting as guy like this. He's got ONE damn indiscretion on his record and I wouldn't blame Saban for camping on his doorstep. Do I think Saban has an EXTREMELY lax record in the discipline department? Hell yes. And I make no apologies for it. The differences in how he has gone about "Disciplining" players compared to either of the Auburn staffs over the last few years is night and day. Not even in the same universe.
But if Saban was on this kid and we weren't, I'd be ripping our own staff for an epic FAIL.
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This is bullpoop. If UAT was recruiting this kid all you guys would be saying is how Saban will do anything to win and recruits thugs, and that Auburn would never let someone like this in the "Auburn family". I call bullpoop on your hypocrisy. UAT and AU fans are the same.
"Recruits thugs"? This kid bought a stolen laptop off Craigslist....hardly a thug. That's it, the one problem he's had. I call bullshit on your bullshit.
Besides, we all know Saban would have had a laptop hand delivered to this kid if he wanted him anyway. :poke:
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This kid bought a stolen laptop off Craigslist....hardly a thug.
Really? Seriously? I've seen alot of people who "got it from a friend for $50", or "I found it in a dumpster", or "Somebody must have put that weed in my pants", etc. And he was SO innocent, and could provide SO MUCH proof that he made a legit buy from a website, that he threw the laptop out the window after the cops came around asking about it. Either you are just that dumb, or you are in just that much denial and wanting AU to do anything to get back on level. I've seen your posts; you're not dumb.
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Mr. jadennis is a bright shining star on this sight. He has already called bullpoop on your bullpoop. I suggest you fold like a cheap suit Bamer. No shame!
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Really? Seriously? I've seen alot of people who "got it from a friend for $50", or "I found it in a dumpster", or "Somebody must have put that weed in my pants", etc. And he was SO innocent, and could provide SO MUCH proof that he made a legit buy from a website, that he threw the laptop out the window after the cops came around asking about it. Either you are just that dumb, or you are in just that much denial and wanting AU to do anything to get back on level. I've seen your posts; you're not dumb.
I don't give a rat's ass about downplaying it. Believe it or not, I don't care if Newton walked up to someone and said, "Gimme da' laptop bitch, or else I come correct and break it off propah in yo ass". If he screwed up and learned his lesson and has had a chance to prove it...which he has..then the hell with the past and let's give him a shot. On theother hand, if he's Willie Williams and playin' the thug role everywhere he goes, he doesn't deserve his shot.
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I don't give a rat's ass about downplaying it. Believe it or not, I don't care if Newton walked up to someone and said, "Gimme da' laptop bitch, or else I come correct and break it off propah in yo ass". If he screwed up and learned his lesson and has had a chance to prove it...which he has..then the hell with the past and let's give him a shot. On theother hand, if he's Willie Williams and playin' the thug role everywhere he goes, he doesn't deserve his shot.
I didn't know Cameron was British.
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I didn't know Cameron was British.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eu7aj1SCE8k# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eu7aj1SCE8k#)
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I didn't know Cameron was British.
He's just working on his British accent to try and get the ladies into the shitter stall.
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I didn't know Cameron was British.
He's a Wanka Gangsta
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Neithrr is an apocryphal article that I haven't seen. You cannot claim I was inaccurate since you are no more sure of the answer than I.
Can't claim an inaccuracy on my part when credible available evidence says otherwise.
Easy, cowboy. I was agreeing with this sentiment in my post. It was, admittedly, unclear.
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Easy, cowboy. I was agreeing with this sentiment in my post. It was, admittedly, unclear.
Please don't think of me as a cowboy.
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Please don't think of me as a cowboy.
So you're saying you have no cattle?
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So you're saying you have no cattle?
I, like Gene Chizik, have plenty of hat.
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Please don't think of me as a cowboy.
Sorry.
Which one are you, then? Indian chief, cop or construction worker?
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Sorry.
Which one are you, then? Indian chief, cop or construction worker?
I like to picture him this way
(http://www.willersproducts.co.uk/images/limages/C%20gimp.jpg)
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Oh. I see. The black mask has to have a gigantic nose.
Racist bastard.
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Oh. I see. The black mask has to have a gigantic nose.
Racist bastard.
Yeah, but the lips are clearly those of an Asian woman
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Yeah, but the lips are clearly those of an Asian woman
I don't see lips. Only a chrome grill.
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I don't see lips. Only a chrome grill.
There you go profiling again.
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Really? Seriously? I've seen alot of people who "got it from a friend for $50", or "I found it in a dumpster", or "Somebody must have put that weed in my pants", etc. And he was SO innocent, and could provide SO MUCH proof that he made a legit buy from a website, that he threw the laptop out the window after the cops came around asking about it. Either you are just that dumb, or you are in just that much denial and wanting AU to do anything to get back on level. I've seen your posts; you're not dumb.
I'm not claiming innocence in the least. Whether he stole it or knowingly bought a stolen laptop, I'm just saying it doesn't make him a "thug". My point was he doesn't have a history of these kinds of offenses. He hasn't been in and out of trouble his whole life. I'm guessing that probably half the kids on any team anywhere, thugs or not, have done something similar to this along the way (or will before they graduate...the vast majority will just not get caught).
It's not like he's Nate Newton and was pulled over with a van full of drugs (twice). You telling me if you had a friend who said he had a buddy that could get you an iPod for $50 you wouldn't consider it? (Assuming you didn't already have an iPod).
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It's not like he's Nate Newton and was pulled over with a van full of drugs (twice). You telling me if you had a friend who said he had a buddy that could get you an iPod for $50 you wouldn't consider it? (Assuming you didn't already have an iPod).
I wouldn't.
Fuck Apple.
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I'm not claiming innocence in the least. Whether he stole it or knowingly bought a stolen laptop, I'm just saying it doesn't make him a "thug". My point was he doesn't have a history of these kinds of offenses. He hasn't been in and out of trouble his whole life. I'm guessing that probably half the kids on any team anywhere, thugs or not, have done something similar to this along the way (or will before they graduate...the vast majority will just not get caught).
It's not like he's Nate Newton and was pulled over with a van full of drugs (twice). You telling me if you had a friend who said he had a buddy that could get you an iPod for $50 you wouldn't consider it? (Assuming you didn't already have an iPod).
Its amazing how much credit you will give him since he is an AU recruit. I can only imagine the replies by AU fans if this kid were going to sign with Alabama. You know nobody here would give him such a pass. I'm not saying he is a horrible kid. Kids do stupid shit. We all have. Just pointing out how any excuse is applicable for this kid, however, would be seen as "bammer spin" if Alabama were about to sign him.
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Its amazing how much credit you will give him since he is an AU recruit. I can only imagine the replies by AU fans if this kid were going to sign with Alabama. You know nobody here would give him such a pass. I'm not saying he is a horrible kid. Kids do stupid shit. We all have. Just pointing out how any excuse is applicable for this kid, however, would be seen as "bammer spin" if Alabama were about to sign him.
As I said in another thread...or maybe this one (Can't recall)...I wouldn't give Bama fans any shit for recruiting this guy. I don't see the big deal about any school recruiting him. Others may disagree and I'm sure there's plenty who would give you guys crap just because it's any ole reason to dish it out. But my problem is and always has been how Saban handles "Discipline". As you said, kids do stupid shit. They deserve second chances too...but only if they're held accountable and show they learned from their mistakes and intend to do the right things.
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Its amazing how much credit you will give him since he is an AU recruit. I can only imagine the replies by AU fans if this kid were going to sign with Alabama. You know nobody here would give him such a pass. I'm not saying he is a horrible kid. Kids do stupid shit. We all have. Just pointing out how any excuse is applicable for this kid, however, would be seen as "bammer spin" if Alabama were about to sign him.
It is amazing you havent been to an uat game. Also it is amazing how much time you spending an auburn message board.
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It is amazing you havent been to an uat game. Also it is amazing how much time you spending an auburn message board.
Its amazing that this is the only thing you know how to contribute. Yes, I haven't ever been to an Alabama game. We all know that. Amazing. Yes, I post on an Auburn message board. Both amazing observations. I'm sorry that these are the only two things you are capable of talking about, because its all I ever see you post.
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I kept the right ones out, And let the wrong ones in
Had an angel of mercy to see me through all my sins
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I kept the right ones out, And let the wrong ones in
Had an angel of mercy to see me through all my sins
You would make a better actor as the big man in the "Green Mile". For what its worth, my room mate in the Army was a black man from Cincinnati. Also, black women have asses that just dont quit.
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Its amazing that this is the only thing you know how to contribute. Yes, I haven't ever been to an Alabama game. We all know that. Amazing. Yes, I post on an Auburn message board. Both amazing observations. I'm sorry that these are the only two things you are capable of talking about, because its all I ever see you post.
Which is more than you have ever contributed.
You like to start a post whenever something you feel goes wrong at Auburn. For instance the 2 DUIs, or possible recruits de-committing. Its really fucking annoying. So while you continue to do that, Im gonna make sure that everyone knows that you still have attended 0 uat games, post all the damn time on here and offer you sound advice like get a job that pays you enough so you can attend one of those games in west vance or maybe post that shit on a bammer board where you can properly worship saban.
This is an Auburn board rwsdimm (which is "run with sabans dick in my mouth") so yeah if a kid's gonna commit to us that has a troubled past... its not so bad, but if he was to commit to the college team in south-northport, his transgressions become a lot worse. Its cause we hate uat. You guys are the bad guys. You guys are the enemies.
So unless you change your tune; Im gonna keep telling everyone exactly how many bammer games you have been to. (Which if people didn't know by now is zero)
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He's just working on his British accent to try and get the ladies into the shitter stall.
Glorious!
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Its amazing how much credit you will give him since he is an AU recruit. I can only imagine the replies by AU fans if this kid were going to sign with Alabama. You know nobody here would give him such a pass. I'm not saying he is a horrible kid. Kids do stupid poop. We all have. Just pointing out how any excuse is applicable for this kid, however, would be seen as "bammer spin" if Alabama were about to sign him.
I don't completely agree. I'm sure there would be some light hearted "free laptops? This kid will fit right in at Alabama" and stuff like that. But I really don't think many, if anyone on here, would seriously try to make him out to be a thug and call it spin when you mention that the charges were dropped and that he bought a stolen lap top, he didn't break into a house and steal one. I honestly don't think there would be a serious (non sarcastic) attack on the kid for going to Alabama. Sarcastic? Absolutely. But nothing more than that.
And honestly, don't you kind of want to make it a priority to get to a game next year just so it will shut us up on here? I would. I would go just to spite us, even more than actually wanting to go.
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I don't completely agree. I'm sure there would be some light hearted "free laptops? This kid will fit right in at Alabama" and stuff like that. But I really don't think many, if anyone on here, would seriously try to make him out to be a thug and call it spin when you mention that the charges were dropped and that he bought a stolen lap top, he didn't break into a house and steal one. I honestly don't think there would be a serious (non sarcastic) attack on the kid for going to Alabama. Sarcastic? Absolutely. But nothing more than that.
And honestly, don't you kind of want to make it a priority to get to a game next year just so it will shut us up on here? I would. I would go just to spite us, even more than actually wanting to go.
Even if the kid did break into something and steal it, he wouldn't deserve the thug label. Kids just do stupid shit. Period. I see it all the time. It doesn't mean they are bad people. It means they are 18-20 year old kids. Whether the kid would receive an attack if he were signing with Alabama is debatable. Shit, Rashad Johnson was arrested for PI and the case was later dismissed. It was made out by AU fans as if he was a total thug. But then again, you always have those few in a fanbase that are just idiots. So, who knows.
And really, no, its not a priority of mine to get to a game. Not even to shut some of you idiots up. People on message boards don't affect my real life. I don't care what you people say on here, just the same as you guys shouldn't care what I say. Its the internet.
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I don't care what you people say on here, just the same as you guys shouldn't care what I say. Its the internet.
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Oh by the way, Merry Christmas.
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:violin:
Oh by the way, Merry Christmas.
Merry Christmas to y'all too. I hope everything went well for everybody. I only had to work a half day, so things went well on this end.