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Pat Dye Field => Signing Day => Topic started by: AUChizad on November 13, 2009, 11:37:49 AM
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#1 Prospect from Arkansas (Michael Dyer)
#1 Prospect from Louisiana (Trovon Reed)
#1 Prospect from Mississippi (Shon Coleman)
Locked.
#1 Prospect from Texas (Lache Seastrunk) - Pretty damn likely now that Reed is here.
#1 Prospect from South Carolina (Marcus Lattimore) - If he leaves the state, he's ours.
We need to gun for DeMarcus Milliner (Alabama, uat commit). Don't you want to play where the #1 guys in every other state in the south want to play?
Jacques Smith (TN), Matt Elam (GA), & Jeff Luc (FL) should take a look too.
Before RWS shits his pants, I was kidding about the last two paragraphs.
War Damn Eagle!
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A sad stat that I just noticed in researching the above post:
The state of Kentucky has no prospects in the top 250.
Wow.
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#1 Prospect from Arkansas (Michael Dyer)
#1 Prospect from Louisiana (Trovon Reed)
#1 Prospect from Mississippi (Shon Coleman)
Locked.
#1 Prospect from Texas (Lache Seastrunk) - Pretty damn likely now that Reed is here.
#1 Prospect from South Carolina (Marcus Lattimore) - If he leaves the state, he's ours.
We need to gun for DeMarcus Milliner (Alabama, uat commit). Don't you want to play where the #1 guys in every other state in the south want to play?
Jacques Smith (TN), Matt Elam (GA), & Jeff Luc (FL) should take a look too.
Before RWS shits his pants, I was kidding about the last two paragraphs.
War Damn Eagle!
Seastrunk is on his way to LSU or USCw. AU is still OK here, because they got Dyer, and he is the better prospect out of the two. Seastrunk is immature as hell according to accounts from analysts at camp, etc, and probably isn't durable enough to be an every down back. Dyer is a fucking man child. As for Shon Coleman, that may be a close one......
If those guys do hang on though, thats fairly impressive to pull the top players out of three nearby states.
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Seastrunk is on his way to LSU or USCw. AU is still OK here, because they got Dyer, and he is the better prospect out of the two. Seastrunk is immature as hell according to accounts from analysts at camp, etc, and probably isn't durable enough to be an every down back. Dyer is a fucking man child. As for Shon Coleman, that may be a close one......
If those guys do hang on though, thats fairly impressive to pull the top players out of three nearby states.
Personally, I would use a different adjective then "fairly". Especially considering the last couple of years recruiting-wise. :bc:
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Seastrunk is on his way to LSU or USCw. AU is still OK here, because they got Dyer, and he is the better prospect out of the two. Seastrunk is immature as hell according to accounts from analysts at camp, etc, and probably isn't durable enough to be an every down back. Dyer is a phuking man child. As for Shon Coleman, that may be a close one......
If those guys do hang on though, thats fairly impressive to pull the top players out of three nearby states.
You are spot on in your analysis of Seastrunk. He is a prima donna. He likes the attention. He definitely is a better fit at LSU or USC with his personality. Would I take him though? Hell yes.
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And according to ESPN rankings, Antonio Goodwin in the #3 recruit in Georgia (with the top 2 going to Florida and Miami.
Also according to them, Georgia only got 1 of the top 7 recruits in the state. The others went to Auburn, Alabama, Florida, Miami, Notre Dame, and Tennessee.
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You are spot on in your analysis of Seastrunk. He is a prima donna. He likes the attention. He definitely is a better fit at LSU or USC with his personality. Would I take him though? Hell yes.
I've never felt that way about Seastrunk. He's kind of a class clown personality, loves joking and having fun, but in the live interviews I've seen (and from what coaches say, including Saban), he's a very, very respectful (yes sir, yes m'am) kind of kid.
He takes his relationship with God and his parents very serious, and while he's kind of a crack-up, fun loving kid, I don't get the impression it's out of being self-absorbed or thinking he's above anyone or anything. When he got invited to play in that elite group in Florida, he went on and on about what an honor it was to be selected. He didn't go on and on about it being a an opportunity to "displaying my skillz for everyone to see how great I am", which is what you get from a lot of kids these days.
Anyway, I really think he's a character, but not in a bad way.
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I've never felt that way about Seastrunk. He's kind of a class clown personality, loves joking and having fun, but in the live interviews I've seen (and from what coaches say, including Saban), he's a very, very respectful (yes sir, yes m'am) kind of kid.
He takes his relationship with God and his parents very serious, and while he's kind of a crack-up, fun loving kid, I don't get the impression it's out of being self-absorbed or thinking he's above anyone or anything. When he got invited to play in that elite group in Florida, he went on and on about what an honor it was to be selected. He didn't go on and on about it being a an opportunity to "displaying my skillz for everyone to see how great I am", which is what you get from a lot of kids these days.
Anyway, I really think he's a character, but not in a bad way.
Agreed.
He reminds me of the Irons Bros. When he talks shit, it's in a playful funny way.
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You are spot on in your analysis of Seastrunk. He is a prima donna. He likes the attention. He definitely is a better fit at LSU or USC with his personality. Would I take him though? Hell yes.
It never hurts to sign some elite talent. But that is only if they are elite after they get on campus as well. Seastrunk may have been good for inflating your recruiting rankings and making AU look attractive to other recruits, but he probably will bust. But its not like you guys have a limited number of scholarships to give out or anything.
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It never hurts to sign some elite talent. But that is only if they are elite after they get on campus as well. Seastrunk may have been good for inflating your recruiting rankings and making AU look attractive to other recruits, but he probably will bust. But its not like you guys have a limited number of scholarships to give out or anything.
Curious about why you think he'll be a bust?
Have you watched his film? And yeah, anyone can end up a bust, no matter how great they looked on film in high school, but I just don't know what about him makes you think he'll be a bust anymore than Dyer or your punt return specialist Grant.
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I've never felt that way about Seastrunk. He's kind of a class clown personality, loves joking and having fun, but in the live interviews I've seen (and from what coaches say, including Saban), he's a very, very respectful (yes sir, yes m'am) kind of kid.
He takes his relationship with God and his parents very serious, and while he's kind of a crack-up, fun loving kid, I don't get the impression it's out of being self-absorbed or thinking he's above anyone or anything. When he got invited to play in that elite group in Florida, he went on and on about what an honor it was to be selected. He didn't go on and on about it being a an opportunity to "displaying my skillz for everyone to see how great I am", which is what you get from a lot of kids these days.
Anyway, I really think he's a character, but not in a bad way.
I've read on the Rivals mainboard from fans of teams who haven't even offered Seastrunk about how he taunts and points his fingers in other players faces if he burns them at camps, about how he has little fits at camps, etc etc. Even from LSU boards when they thought they were in the lead for his services, for that matter. And imagine that, the only reason Saban would know anything about Seastrunk was from Seastrunk calling CNS to apologize for....guess what.....taunting in a video of a recruiting event shot by AuburnSports.com. Thats fine that he's all polite and all about God on the camera, and all that jazz. I think the kid has character issues.
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I've read on the Rivals mainboard from fans of teams who haven't even offered Seastrunk about how he taunts and points his fingers in other players faces if he burns them at camps, about how he has little fits at camps, etc etc. Even from LSU boards when they thought they were in the lead for his services, for that matter. And imagine that, the only reason Saban would know anything about Seastrunk was from Seastrunk calling CNS to apologize for....guess what.....taunting in a video of a recruiting event shot by AuburnSports.com. Thats fine that he's all polite and all about God on the camera, and all that jazz. I think the kid has character issues.
Listen to this man. He knows all about players with character issues. ** cough juliojonesbrandondeadricktheentirefuckingteam cough **
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I've read on the Rivals mainboard from fans of teams who haven't even offered Seastrunk about how he taunts and points his fingers in other players faces if he burns them at camps, about how he has little fits at camps, etc etc. Even from LSU boards when they thought they were in the lead for his services, for that matter. And imagine that, the only reason Saban would know anything about Seastrunk was from Seastrunk calling CNS to apologize for....guess what.....taunting in a video of a recruiting event shot by AuburnSports.com. Thats fine that he's all polite and all about God on the camera, and all that jazz. I think the kid has character issues.
I love how also you get this "vibe' or opinion from and after reading LSU boards and other boards from teams that might not sign the kid.
I haven't seen shit that you've talked about on the Auburn boards.
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I love how also you get this "vibe' or opinion from and after reading LSU boards and other boards from teams that might not sign the kid.
I haven't seen shit that you've talked about on the Auburn boards.
You don't say? The only reason I believed it from the LSU boards was because they were saying it while still saying they led for him, thus, not equating sour grapes. If they said it say, today, I would have thought more along the lines of BS. I just think hearing it from other fans from teams not in the running gives a sense of neutral opinion.
But hey, I will defer to what I'm sure is your opinion; best RB since Bo, holier than Tebow, and already has his AU LOI filled out.
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It never hurts to sign some elite talent. But that is only if they are elite after they get on campus as well. Seastrunk may have been good for inflating your recruiting rankings and making AU look attractive to other recruits, but he probably will bust. But its not like you guys have a limited number of scholarships to give out or anything.
Please enlighten the board on how ALL the services have him ranked as high as they do, but you have him as a likely bust? I'm fuckin' dying to read this! No, really I'm not! Fact is, you don't know shit. It's a WAG on your part at best, and my guess is you think he'll go to AU and you want to be at the head of the bash Seastrunk train when he does.
Due to Tate's success this year, people are completely forgetting that we signed 4*, 5'-10" 216lbs, 4.5, Dontae Aycock in the 2009 class, and he's redshirting. Eric Smith has done nicely and will be a Jr....he can carry the ball between the tackles AND catch. Fannin has one more year. McCaleb isn't an every down back, but contributed well before the ankle problem. Then the kid this year, Dyer. Auburn aint hurting for RBs if Seastrunk goes to LSU, USC, or Bust City!
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Bust City!
I like busts
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best RB since Bo, holier than Tebow, and already has his AU LOI filled out.
Now, was that soooo hard?
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Please enlighten the board on how ALL the services have him ranked as high as they do, but you have him as a likely bust? I'm fuckin' dying to read this! No, really I'm not! Fact is, you don't know shit. It's a WAG on your part at best, and my guess is you think he'll go to AU and you want to be at the head of the bash Seastrunk train when he does.
Due to Tate's success this year, people are completely forgetting that we signed 4*, 5'-10" 216lbs, 4.5, Dontae Aycock in the 2009 class, and he's redshirting. Eric Smith has done nicely and will be a Jr....he can carry the ball between the tackles AND catch. Fannin has one more year. McCaleb isn't an every down back, but contributed well before the ankle problem. Then the kid this year, Dyer. Auburn aint hurting for RBs if Seastrunk goes to LSU, USC, or Bust City!
I just really don't think he's durable enough for SEC play. I'm sure he will put on another 20 lbs or so, I just don't think he has the football mind to play in the SEC. In part, yes, its just a guess. But shit, isn't that at least half of recruiting? I can show you a some guys that were 4* and 5* that are on Alabama's roster, and they have 3* talent beating them out for starting spots. Why did all of the recruiting services have them ranked so highly, and there are 3* guys starting ahead of them?
AU's depth at RB is actually something I thought that would keep Seastrunk away from AU at this point. More so now that Dyer is in the mix. I stated this in the other thread before you even posted this. LSU is losing their first and second string RB, and their third string is a bust. They have one 3* RB for this class, and that is it. The writing is on the wall. The depth chart at LSU looks much better as far as PT than it does at AU. I really don't think he wants to compete with Dyer, because he will lose. I just really don't see him coming to AU.
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I just really don't think he's durable enough for SEC play. I'm sure he will put on another 20 lbs or so, I just don't think he has the football mind to play in the SEC. In part, yes, its just a guess. But shit, isn't that at least half of recruiting? I can show you a some guys that were 4* and 5* that are on Alabama's roster, and they have 3* talent beating them out for starting spots. Why did all of the recruiting services have them ranked so highly, and there are 3* guys starting ahead of them?
AU's depth at RB is actually something I thought that would keep Seastrunk away from AU at this point. More so now that Dyer is in the mix. I stated this in the other thread before you even posted this. LSU is losing their first and second string RB, and their third string is a bust. They have one 3* RB for this class, and that is it. The writing is on the wall. The depth chart at LSU looks much better as far as PT than it does at AU. I really don't think he wants to compete with Dyer, because he will lose. I just really don't see him coming to AU.
I think our recruiters will be evoking Ronnie Brown/Cadillac to sell Auburn.
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I like busts
I like big busts and I can not lie.
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I just really don't think he's durable enough for SEC play. I'm sure he will put on another 20 lbs or so, I just don't think he has the football mind to play in the SEC. In part, yes, its just a guess. But shit, isn't that at least half of recruiting? I can show you a some guys that were 4* and 5* that are on Alabama's roster, and they have 3* talent beating them out for starting spots. Why did all of the recruiting services have them ranked so highly, and there are 3* guys starting ahead of them?
AU's depth at RB is actually something I thought that would keep Seastrunk away from AU at this point. More so now that Dyer is in the mix. I stated this in the other thread before you even posted this. LSU is losing their first and second string RB, and their third string is a bust. They have one 3* RB for this class, and that is it. The writing is on the wall. The depth chart at LSU looks much better as far as PT than it does at AU. I really don't think he wants to compete with Dyer, because he will lose. I just really don't see him coming to AU.
To the people that actually evaluate talent for a living, it's not AS MUCH of a guess as it is for, say, some jackleg fan that likes to use exceptions to the rule to support his opinion. We can all point to the 2 stars that made it big, even the walk-ons, and the 5 star busts. Fact is 5 * kids show more POTENTIAL and ABILITY. Putting it to use on the field at the next level...different story. There's no way to predict a 5 star bust any more than you can predict a 2 star diamond on the rough.
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I think our recruiters will be evoking Ronnie Brown/Cadillac to sell Auburn.
Might want to 'evoke' ole blue collar Ben Tate who is probably going to push the 1500 yard mark when the bowl game is factored in, and probably lifted his draft status from undrafted FA to somewhere in the late 3rd to 5th round range, unless he busts out with a 4.8 40 time in his workouts. Many still want to call this offense a "gimmick" but the run game is old fashioned power running...
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I just really don't think he's durable enough for SEC play. I'm sure he will put on another 20 lbs or so, I just don't think he has the football mind to play in the SEC. In part, yes, its just a guess. But shit, isn't that at least half of recruiting? I can show you a some guys that were 4* and 5* that are on Alabama's roster, and they have 3* talent beating them out for starting spots. Why did all of the recruiting services have them ranked so highly, and there are 3* guys starting ahead of them?
By the way...of the top 27 Rivals RBs (all 4 and 5 Stars)...only 15 are at or over 200lbs, and 11 at or over 6'-0" as they currently stand as HS Sr's.
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Might want to 'evoke' ole blue collar Ben Tate who is probably going to push the 1500 yard mark when the bowl game is factored in, and probably lifted his draft status from undrafted FA to somewhere in the late 3rd to 5th round range, unless he busts out with a 4.8 40 time in his workouts. Many still want to call this offense a "gimmick" but the run game is old fashioned power running...
I meant to refute concerns about sharing playing time with other studs.
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Yo Danielsahn...you have any particulars on Mr. Reed? Height..weight...40...#catches...favorite movie...toilet paper roll dispensed over the roll or under?
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There's no way to predict a 5 star bust any more than you can predict a 2 star diamond on the rough.
Tommy Tuberville says :fu:
So what you're saying is that all the people whining their ass off about depth and blaming Tuberville should realize that there was no way for him to predict that the majority of the talent he signed in the Kodi Burns/Lee Ziemba class would not work out -- because it cannot be predicted.
Therefore, their pie holes should be shut?
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Tommy Tuberville says :fu:
So what you're saying is that all the people whining their ass off about depth and blaming Tuberville should realize that there was no way for him to predict that the majority of the talent he signed in the Kodi Burns/Lee Ziemba class would not work out -- because it cannot be predicted.
Therefore, their pie holes should be shut?
Don't dredge this debate up again. Seriously. Your bait and attempt to argue about Tuberville and his recruiting is misplaced here. You just want to take shots at someone because you're bored or something.
It takes the average waterhead exactly four seconds to see the numbers and see an underdevelped QB in Kodi Burns to realize that regardless of Tuberville's ability to identify diamonds in the rough in the past, his efforts the last few years in recruiting and the lack of effort by his coaching staff to develop a real QB blew monkey nuts.
It has nothing to do with what he was saying about the predictability of a five star being a bust versus a 2 star being a bust. What he said was valid when you look at the entire post.
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Can we get back to discussing what matters?
Chizik vs. Saban head-to-head recruiting battle currently stands at 10-7 Chiz.
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Can we get back to discussing what matters?
Chizik vs. Saban head-to-head recruiting battle currently stands at 10-7 Chiz.
And?
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And?
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You know that RWS is nervous when he has a 1 word reply...
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You know that RWS is nervous when he has a 1 word reply...
Really, there is no reason to be worried. Now, if we were bringing in say walk-ons or 3* guys in the positions that AU is winning guys straight up in, then sure, that would be a reason to worry. AU is not strangling Alabama off from other top talent, such as Alabama has done to AU the past two classes. And for that matter, I only see 8 guys on Alabama's offer list that have committed to AU. One of the reasons I feel good about our class, is that it was 80% complete in July. You can take the head-to-head however you want to. But you have to admit, when our class was 80% full with 6 months to signing day, that says alot as far as us getting folks we were after pretty hard.
Something I do find amusing, is that when CNS landed the '08 and some of the '09 class, it was because of all of the PT we had to offer. Kids saw PT, and thats what they wanted. But now, Chizik is pulling kids because he's a master recruiter. Not because you guys are playing walk-ons at LB. Not because the depth on the defense overall is paper thin. But because he is a recruiting God.
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Really, there is no reason to be worried. Now, if we were bringing in say walk-ons or 3* guys in the positions that AU is winning guys straight up in, then sure, that would be a reason to worry. AU is not strangling Alabama off from other top talent, such as Alabama has done to AU the past two classes. And for that matter, I only see 8 guys on Alabama's offer list that have committed to AU. One of the reasons I feel good about our class, is that it was 80% complete in July. You can take the head-to-head however you want to. But you have to admit, when our class was 80% full with 6 months to signing day, that says alot as far as us getting folks we were after pretty hard.
Something I do find amusing, is that when CNS landed the '08 and some of the '09 class, it was because of all of the PT we had to offer. Kids saw PT, and thats what they wanted. But now, Chizik is pulling kids because he's a master recruiter. Not because you guys are playing walk-ons at LB. Not because the depth on the defense overall is paper thin. But because he is a recruiting God.
You posting this as if you're sitting on some high ground and laughing at us amusing little Aubs is ridiculous. First of all, Nick Saban DID benefit from PT. So is Chizik. I would also contend that while NOBODY has called Chizik a "master recruiter", a lot of people DID say that about Saban, and now Chizik is pulling, if not even, then very close to Saban with success in recruiting. You can't deny that.
So tell yourself what you need to to feel better. Chuckle under your breath all you want, but the complacent posture AU has taken the past few years is over and history with the past staff, and it's going to get very interesting in the near future between the two schools.
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And for that matter, I only see 8 guys on Alabama's offer list that have committed to AU.
Auburn Commits with uat offers:
Michael Dyer, RB
Trovon Reed, WR
Antonio Goodwin, WR
Jeremy Richardson, WR
Ed Christian, OL
Shon Coleman, OL
Kenneth Carter, DT
Craig Sanders, DE
LaDarius Owens, LB
Jawara White, LB
uat Commits with Auburn offers:
Corey Grant, RB
DeAndrew White, WR
Brian Vogler, TE
DeMarcus Milliner, DB
Nick Perry, DB
Jarrick Williams, DB
Deion Belue, DB
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You posting this as if you're sitting on some high ground and laughing at us amusing little Aubs is ridiculous. First of all, Nick Saban DID benefit from PT. So is Chizik. I would also contend that while NOBODY has called Chizik a "master recruiter", a lot of people DID say that about Saban, and now Chizik is pulling, if not even, then very close to Saban with success in recruiting. You can't deny that.
So tell yourself what you need to to feel better. Chuckle under your breath all you want, but the complacent posture AU has taken the past few years is over and history with the past staff, and it's going to get very interesting in the near future between the two schools.
Meh, if you say so. For you to say that Chizik is pulling even, or close to even, with Saban is pretty damn laughable. Chizik's first complete recruiting class all on his own isn't even finished yet. But hey, lets take a look at his class that he shared with CTT. If you look at the guys that committed to Chizik, and not guys that Chizik inherited in the class, Bates and McCalebb are the only two seeing anything resembling meaningful PT on this AU squad.
Even though only two or maybe three players that are straight up Chizik commits are seeing any PT at AU (I really think its 2, I may have missed one though - John Sullen maybe?), and his first class all on his own hasn't even sent their LOIs in yet, Chizik is therefore close to or even with Saban's recruiting over the past three years? Whatever happened to putting these kids on the field before annointing them? If you guys were playing like 10 freshmen or something, then you would have one hell of a case. But 2 recruits seeing PT? Do you even believe what you said?
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Meh, if you say so. For you to say that Chizik is pulling even, or close to even, with Saban is pretty damn laughable. Chizik's first complete recruiting class all on his own isn't even finished yet. But hey, lets take a look at his class that he shared with CTT. If you look at the guys that committed to Chizik, and not guys that Chizik inherited in the class, Bates and McCalebb are the only two seeing anything resembling meaningful PT on this AU squad.
Even though only two or maybe three players that are straight up Chizik commits are seeing any PT at AU (I really think its 2, I may have missed one though - John Sullen maybe?), and his first class all on his own hasn't even sent their LOIs in yet, Chizik is therefore close to or even with Saban's recruiting over the past three years? Whatever happened to putting these kids on the field before annointing them? If you guys were playing like 10 freshmen or something, then you would have one hell of a case. But 2 recruits seeing PT? Do you even believe what you said?
You're skewing this a little where it doesn't work. This is about recruiting and the efforts so far, and you have to admit that Auburn is having considerable success relative to where we are in the current year's process. I have to say that with Auburn leading in the head to head "battle" versus Saban, that Chizik (at minimum) has pulled Auburn into an equal footing. With that said, I'm very MUCH giving that credit to the staff under Chizik, and maybe not directly to Chizik alone. However, the only thing that matters in recruiting is getting the prospect to your school over the other school. We'll see in the end, and then have debates on how the players pan out then.
Right now, I'm satisfied with the positive direction our recruiting is taking, and don't think we've done anything that any bammer should feel "amused" by. That was my point.
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You're skewing this a little where it doesn't work. This is about recruiting and the efforts so far, and you have to admit that Auburn is having considerable success relative to where we are in the current year's process. I have to say that with Auburn leading in the head to head "battle" versus Saban, that Chizik (at minimum) has pulled Auburn into an equal footing. With that said, I'm very MUCH giving that credit to the staff under Chizik, and maybe not directly to Chizik alone. However, the only thing that matters in recruiting is getting the prospect to your school over the other school. We'll see in the end, and then have debates on how the players pan out then.
Right now, I'm satisfied with the positive direction our recruiting is taking, and don't think we've done anything that any bammer should feel "amused" by. That was my point.
Just because it totally shoots down your argument doesn't mean its skewed.
So far, two or three totally Chizik recruits have seen any significant PT, thus, only these two or three have had some sort of impact on the team.
So far, no recruit from the 2010 class has stepped foot on the field.
I never said AU wasn't seeing some success. AU is putting together a nice class. Now, are you talking about Chizik pulling AU up to Alabama's footing program-wise, this recruiting year wise, or total recruiting wise? You're not being very clear here.
What matters in recruiting is getting the guy that is going to work best in your system. Its all about evaluation. Its not simply a matter of "we have to beat the other guy head to head". If all of those guys you beat the other team out for head to head turn out as scout teamers throughout their career, then what does winning the head-to-head accomplish? It looks good at the time they sign their LOI, sure. But when your team isn't looking so good a few years down the road, what is it worth? My point being you can take it at face value all day long. You can get star-struck all you want. What matters is how they pan out. AU fans, of all people, should know that after the past two years of preaching it to us. It works both ways, though. You can't just trash every recruit, etc, and say he's not going to work out. You still have to give him that chance. Alabama has had, and has on the roster now, guys that are/were walk-ons or something like that, and turn out to be damn good. You just never know.
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Now, if we were bringing in say walk-ons or 3* guys in the positions that AU is winning guys straight up in, then sure, that would be a reason to worry. AU is not strangling Alabama off from other top talent, such as Alabama has done to AU the past two classes. And for that matter, I only see 8 guys on Alabama's offer list that have committed to AU.
SPuat:
Chad Lindsey 3* OL (No Auburn Offer)
Austin Shepard 3* OL (No Auburn Offer)
Wilson Love 3* DE (No Auburn Offer)
Auburn:
Ed Christian 4* OL (SPuat Offer)
Shon Coleman 4* OL (SPuat Offer)
Craig Sanders 4* DE (SPuat Offer)
Also the record stands at (10-7) with Auburn in the lead.
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Just because it totally shoots down your argument doesn't mean its skewed.
So far, two or three totally Chizik recruits have seen any significant PT, thus, only these two or three have had some sort of impact on the team.
So far, no recruit from the 2010 class has stepped foot on the field.
I never said AU wasn't seeing some success. AU is putting together a nice class. Now, are you talking about Chizik pulling AU up to Alabama's footing program-wise, this recruiting year wise, or total recruiting wise? You're not being very clear here.
What matters in recruiting is getting the guy that is going to work best in your system. Its all about evaluation. Its not simply a matter of "we have to beat the other guy head to head". If all of those guys you beat the other team out for head to head turn out as scout teamers throughout their career, then what does winning the head-to-head accomplish? It looks good at the time they sign their LOI, sure. But when your team isn't looking so good a few years down the road, what is it worth? My point being you can take it at face value all day long. You can get star-struck all you want. What matters is how they pan out. AU fans, of all people, should know that after the past two years of preaching it to us. It works both ways, though. You can't just trash every recruit, etc, and say he's not going to work out. You still have to give him that chance. Alabama has had, and has on the roster now, guys that are/were walk-ons or something like that, and turn out to be damn good. You just never know.
You haven't shot down ANYTHING I've said. I've been very clear. I've talked about recruiting this year, and I'm not going to branch off into six different tangents to try and wrap a simple point around your broad and multiple level breakdown. I've never said anything about "program level" equality. We're not there yet, nor would I try to make that assertion. Bottom line is, there is NOTHING you can say about Auburn's recruiting class right now, as a bammer, that should amuse you. It's a damn good class, and has potential to get a lot better. That's all I've said.
I'm not getting into the what they might, may or will do a year from now.
So...I guess we're done here.
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Just because it totally shoots down your argument doesn't mean its skewed.
So far, two or three totally Chizik recruits have seen any significant PT, thus, only these two or three have had some sort of impact on the team.
So far, no recruit from the 2010 class has stepped foot on the field.
Yeah, cause having studs redshirt means his last class was a bust.
And besides, you bringing up the class he put together in less than two months is a clear deflection from the argument, which is about this year's class.
What matters in recruiting is getting the guy that is going to work best in your system. Its all about evaluation. Its not simply a matter of "we have to beat the other guy head to head". If all of those guys you beat the other team out for head to head turn out as scout teamers throughout their career, then what does winning the head-to-head accomplish? It looks good at the time they sign their LOI, sure. But when your team isn't looking so good a few years down the road, what is it worth?
4/7 of the guys you got that we wanted were DB's. Remind me how that reflects your preaching about how you guys cherry pick and we're just in a superficial race to beat you head-to-head...
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SPuat:
Chad Lindsey 3* OL (No Auburn Offer)
Austin Shepard 3* OL (No Auburn Offer)
Wilson Love 3* DE (No Auburn Offer)
Auburn:
Ed Christian 4* OL (SPuat Offer)
Shon Coleman 4* OL (SPuat Offer)
Craig Sanders 4* DE (SPuat Offer)
Also the record stands at (10-7) with Auburn in the lead.
OH NOES! Three guys at two positions we're not nearly as shallow at as AU! We're done for! I mean, really? Aren't a few of your OL backups walk-ons? AU has 4 DEs and loses one after this season. When you're as thin as AU is, its going to take alot more than that. Especially with the talent we have on the DL.
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OH NOES! Three guys at two positions we're not nearly as shallow at as AU! We're done for! I mean, really? Aren't a few of your OL backups walk-ons? AU has 4 DEs and loses one after this season. When you're as thin as AU is, its going to take alot more than that. Especially with the talent we have on the DL.
That was done in response to your "if we were bringing in say walk-ons or 3* guys in the positions that AU is winning guys straight up in, then sure, that would be a reason to worry." There was nothing in that quote about Depth...now was there? I know it's hard for you to wrap your mind around the fact that Auburn is doing a great job in recruiting and the fact that Auburn has guys that are committed that your little midget wanted and they are in positions where y'all have 3* committed recruits that Coach Chizik didn't want.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgOXfMKFhy8&feature=related# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgOXfMKFhy8&feature=related#)
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And?
And your loss is our gain.
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OH NOES! Three guys at two positions we're not nearly as shallow at as AU! We're done for! I mean, really? Aren't a few of your OL backups walk-ons?
Shit. You officially sound like the "pothole" in the tire commercial I see on TV now. You know... the one that says, "OH NOES!!! You're tire's all flat and junk."....
Congrats, you're a teenage airhead.
I think what Bammers like yourself need to start thinking about, is now that AU is clearly filling these positions, and you're NOT dominating recruiting over us now (regardless the reason), will Saban be able to keep Alabama on top when the other schools in the SEC West start to catch up and fill in recruited talent?
Nobody can answer that. My guess? He won't be around long enough to find out. First sign that it's getting difficult, he'll escape to go "build" another program somewhere else.
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Yeah, cause having studs redshirt means his last class was a bust.
And besides, you bringing up the class he put together in less than two months is a clear deflection from the argument, which is about this year's class.
4/7 of the guys you got that we wanted were DB's. Remind me how that reflects your preaching about how you guys cherry pick and we're just in a superficial race to beat you head-to-head...
If they are redshirting, it doesn't mean they are a bust. But to say they are successful is jumping the gun as well, since they aren't seeing any PT. It goes both ways. You can't say they are beasts just because they haven't played yet, either. If we're talking about the current class and that class only, then fine. Somebody needs to specify that next time. It holds true for them as well. They haven't stepped foot on the field yet. Nobody will argue that, on paper, AU's class looks solid. On paper. Same thing for Alabama's. On paper, looks pretty damn good. But we won't know how good until some of these kids get on the field.
This Alabama class was known to be targeting DBs, WRs, and TEs specifically. We lose 2 starters and 4 backups in the secondary after this season. Those guys are:
Javier Arenas (starter)
Marquis Johnson (Arenas' backup/nickelback)
Chris Rogers (backup)
Ali Sharrief (backup)
Justin Woodall (starter)
Tyrone King (backup)
We currently have 4 DBs committed, and it could be 5 depending on how we use Keenan Allen. Of those DBs, we have one 5*, two 4*, one 3*, and depending on Keenan Allen, one more 5*.
We only lose 1 WR, however we have 3 committed to this class right now. That could be 4 WR committed, again, depending on what we do with Keenan Allen (5* commit). WR isn't a huge area of concern, as we only lose 1 after this season, but they are looking for some more playmakers. TE isn't a huge area of concern either, however, we do utilize the TEs alot in different roles, and we don't have a clear playmaker there beyond Peek. For example, Michael Williams, a 4* converted DE, is playing as Peek's backup. We have a 4* and a 3* TE committed right now. Vogler will more than likely see PT from day one.
So, if you look at it, we're getting folks where we need folks. DB is the single most biggest need on our team after this season, and I think we are filling it nicely.
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Just a quick question or two
When Chopper starts rampaging and blustering a pile of hot air at (and far too often getting raped by) RWS or any other assorted Bama fan, do most of you just scroll right past it because it's stupid beyond words?
Because this entire thread was, to me, like "what a bunch of ignorant know-nothing douchebags flapping their yaps about shit they know nothing about and making themselves look like complete tools in the process."
So if the answer is yes, would I then be correct in assuming that when he cranks up another of his patented (and perpetually doomed) "I's goona show that fuckin' Kaos, because he wears cat makeup for Halloween so that means I got him good this time" essays of inanity and stupidity, is it therefore a colossal waste of my time to punt his dumb ass all over the yard? If I'm scrolling past all this horseshit here, it's safe to suppose, then, that many of you would, in turn, just fast-forward through any of the shit slinging going on in those instances? And you have to call it shit slinging because in order to be considered debate or discussion both parties have to be capable of crafting a lucid and rational argument -- and well.... we all know that the poor guy just fucking can't. Mental midget.
I think I may have learned something here. Hmmm. Wonder if I'll take the time to apply that knowledge.
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Just a quick question or two
When Chopper starts rampaging and blustering a pile of hot air at (and far too often getting raped by) RWS or any other assorted Bama fan, do most of you just scroll right past it because it's stupid beyond words?
Because this entire thread was, to me, like "what a bunch of ignorant know-nothing douchebags flapping their yaps about shit they know nothing about and making themselves look like complete tools in the process."
So if the answer is yes, would I then be correct in assuming that when he cranks up another of his patented (and perpetually doomed) "I's goona show that fuckin' Kaos, because he wears cat makeup for Halloween so that means I got him good this time" essays of inanity and stupidity, is it therefore a colossal waste of my time to punt his dumb ass all over the yard? If I'm scrolling past all this horseshit here, it's safe to suppose, then, that many of you would, in turn, just fast-forward through any of the shit slinging going on in those instances? And you have to call it shit slinging because in order to be considered debate or discussion both parties have to be capable of crafting a lucid and rational argument -- and well.... we all know that the poor guy just fucking can't. Mental midget.
I think I may have learned something here. Hmmm. Wonder if I'll take the time to apply that knowledge.
A couple points... Another example of "it's not about you chopper" being bullshit. You can't let it go. You say I'm always trying to score points when in reality all you try to do is stir shit with me, and then bitch because it happens.
Two.. YOU are the master of the so called "dino-rants", rampaging and blustering. WAY too many examples of this.
Three... Halloween was weeks ago. For fucks sake, go wash yourself. You look ridiculous.
Four... You asking, answering and then forming a judgement while having a conversation with yourself in one post only makes you look like a fucking idiot.
Five... I know you'd get support from a few bammers and a few people that just generally don't like the shit that goes on between you and I.
Six... "We all" is something you completely lack support with. You don't represent any sort of "we all". This is an example...again... of you needing to get over yourself.
Seven... For someone writing about how I might add nothing to the thread, I find it an interesting play on your part to rant out a question that totally has nothing to do with it either after posting nothing of related material yourself.
Eight... It's funny, that even though RWS and I can throw the occassional barb at each other, we still manage to get along twenty five thousand times better than you're able to do. Why is that? Seems to me the only one with THAT much of a problem here, is you.
SO...with example #1,344,558,998,000 of how "it's not about you Chopper" past us, why don't you just let it go...try to answer questions, stay on topic or try to do something constructive for your day.
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If they are redshirting, it doesn't mean they are a bust. But to say they are successful is jumping the gun as well, since they aren't seeing any PT. It goes both ways. You can't say they are beasts just because they haven't played yet, either. If we're talking about the current class and that class only, then fine. Somebody needs to specify that next time. It holds true for them as well. They haven't stepped foot on the field yet. Nobody will argue that, on paper, AU's class looks solid. On paper. Same thing for Alabama's. On paper, looks pretty damn good. But we won't know how good until some of these kids get on the field.
This Alabama class was known to be targeting DBs, WRs, and TEs specifically. We lose 2 starters and 4 backups in the secondary after this season. Those guys are:
Javier Arenas (starter)
Marquis Johnson (Arenas' backup/nickelback)
Chris Rogers (backup)
Ali Sharrief (backup)
Justin Woodall (starter)
Tyrone King (backup)
We currently have 4 DBs committed, and it could be 5 depending on how we use Keenan Allen. Of those DBs, we have one 5*, two 4*, one 3*, and depending on Keenan Allen, one more 5*.
We only lose 1 WR, however we have 3 committed to this class right now. That could be 4 WR committed, again, depending on what we do with Keenan Allen (5* commit). WR isn't a huge area of concern, as we only lose 1 after this season, but they are looking for some more playmakers. TE isn't a huge area of concern either, however, we do utilize the TEs alot in different roles, and we don't have a clear playmaker there beyond Peek. For example, Michael Williams, a 4* converted DE, is playing as Peek's backup. We have a 4* and a 3* TE committed right now. Vogler will more than likely see PT from day one.
So, if you look at it, we're getting folks where we need folks. DB is the single most biggest need on our team after this season, and I think we are filling it nicely.
And Auburn isn't?
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And Auburn isn't?
This is EXACTLY why I didn't continue this debate outside my point Prowler. RWS will twist, play Jenga and dance his point into some pro-bammer position, and somehow make Auburn's efforts seem futile.
Let him explain to himself all he wants. Your points were good. Bottom line is, we had to recruit linebackers, OL, RB's and a few more receivers. We've done that beautifully so far. We're doing the same thing Bama did in filling needs. We're doing it with better talent than we have in the past few years.
Who do you think is next on the commit scene with Auburn? Dixon? Mosely?
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A couple points... Another example of "it's not about you chopper" being bullpoop. You can't let it go. You say I'm always trying to score points when in reality all you try to do is stir poop with me, and then bitch because it happens.
Two.. YOU are the master of the so called "dino-rants", rampaging and blustering. WAY too many examples of this.
Three... Halloween was weeks ago. For phuks sake, go wash yourself. You look ridiculous.
Four... You asking, answering and then forming a judgement while having a conversation with yourself in one post only makes you look like a phuking idiot.
Five... I know you'd get support from a few bammers and a few people that just generally don't like the poop that goes on between you and I.
Six... "We all" is something you completely lack support with. You don't represent any sort of "we all". This is an example...again... of you needing to get over yourself.
Seven... For someone writing about how I might add nothing to the thread, I find it an interesting play on your part to rant out a question that totally has nothing to do with it either after posting nothing of related material yourself.
Eight... It's funny, that even though RWS and I can throw the occassional barb at each other, we still manage to get along twenty five thousand times better than you're able to do. Why is that? Seems to me the only one with THAT much of a problem here, is you.
SO...with example #1,344,558,998,000 of how "it's not about you Chopper" past us, why don't you just let it go...try to answer questions, stay on topic or try to do something constructive for your day.
:haha:
I didn't read any of that.
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This is EXACTLY why I didn't continue this debate outside my point Prowler. RWS will twist, play Jenga and dance his point into some pro-bammer position, and somehow make Auburn's efforts seem futile.
Let him explain to himself all he wants. Your points were good. Bottom line is, we had to recruit linebackers, OL, RB's and a few more receivers. We've done that beautifully so far. We're doing the same thing Bama did in filling needs. We're doing it with better talent than we have in the past few years.
Who do you think is next on the commit scene with Auburn? Dixon? Mosely?
I'm going to say Ahmad Dixon
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:haha:
I didn't read any of that.
Not sure why, but that made me laugh out loud...
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And Auburn isn't?
Actually, I think AU is filling their needs nicely as well. If you look, I said that on paper both classes look good. You couldn't argue it otherwise. On paper. We'll see what happens when some of these guys hit the field. You guys preached that to us when we were kicking your asses from one end of the country to the other in recruiting. Then you guys preached to us how your 3* players were actually better than the 4* and 5* players we were getting. Now you're preaching to us how CTT fucked AU by signing those guys that, at the time, some of you were proclaiming the real deal vs. our overrated players. Sometimes Rivals gets it wrong. Sometimes they get it right. Fuck, BJ Scott was a 5* player coming out of HS. He didn't even make the travel roster for MSU on Saturday. It can be just like that with any player. Signing a shitload of 4* and 5* players always looks good, and chances are that if you're signing that much highly rated talent, you're going to have a few pan out. Some won't. Get them on the field and let them play.
Are there a few guys on AU's commit list that I think might not work out? Sure. But there are some on Alabama's list that I think the same way about. You're not going to have every single person of every single signing class become a superstar.
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A couple points... Another example of "it's not about you chopper" being bullshit. You can't let it go. You say I'm always trying to score points when in reality all you try to do is stir shit with me, and then bitch because it happens.
Two.. YOU are the master of the so called "dino-rants", rampaging and blustering. WAY too many examples of this.
Three... Halloween was weeks ago. For fucks sake, go wash yourself. You look ridiculous.
Four... You asking, answering and then forming a judgement while having a conversation with yourself in one post only makes you look like a fucking idiot.
Five... I know you'd get support from a few bammers and a few people that just generally don't like the shit that goes on between you and I.
Six... "We all" is something you completely lack support with. You don't represent any sort of "we all". This is an example...again... of you needing to get over yourself.
Seven... For someone writing about how I might add nothing to the thread, I find it an interesting play on your part to rant out a question that totally has nothing to do with it either after posting nothing of related material yourself.
Eight... It's funny, that even though RWS and I can throw the occassional barb at each other, we still manage to get along twenty five thousand times better than you're able to do. Why is that? Seems to me the only one with THAT much of a problem here, is you.
SO...with example #1,344,558,998,000 of how "it's not about you Chopper" past us, why don't you just let it go...try to answer questions, stay on topic or try to do something constructive for your day.
I hate to nitpick, but I always thought a couple was two. Just sayin.....
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I hate to nitpick, but I always thought a couple was two. Just sayin.....
Maybe you're right, but there was too much to just stop at two... :doh:
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I hate to nitpick, but I always thought a couple was two. Just sayin.....
Yeah...a man and a woman, just like the Bi...oh, wait. Wrong thread.
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I'm going to say Ahmad Dixon
Dixon will be next, at the least one of the next 2-3. Beasley should be right behind him.
And to the rest of the thread...... :popcorn:
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If Beasly comes in, and if at least four of the LB's we sign actually get here and play (not aware of any academic issues in this group but correct me if I'm wrong), this would HAVE to be considered one of the strongest LB signing classes in Auburn's history.
Am I wrong?
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If Beasly comes in, and if at least four of the LB's we sign actually get here and play (not aware of any academic issues in this group but correct me if I'm wrong), this would HAVE to be considered one of the strongest LB signing classes in Auburn's history.
Am I wrong?
It's only paper. Can't answer that question for several years.
07 was one of the best offensive line classes in college football. How's that OL now?
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It's only paper. Can't answer that question for several years.
07 was one of the best offensive line classes in college football. How's that OL now?
True. If I played devil's advocate though.... Without Franklin (weight and two point stance crap) and some good OL recruits in '08 or 09' would they be better? Hmmmm..... Who's to say...
Let's hope on paper, that it's at least half as right as it seems...
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It's only paper. Can't answer that question for several years.
07 was one of the best offensive line classes in college football. How's that OL now?
Excelled in penalties, cant take that away.
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Tommy Tuberville says :fu:
So what you're saying is that all the people whining their ass off about depth and blaming Tuberville should realize that there was no way for him to predict that the majority of the talent he signed in the Kodi Burns/Lee Ziemba class would not work out -- because it cannot be predicted.
Therefore, their pie holes should be shut?
What I'm saying is that predicting any particular individual player to be a "5 star bust" or a "2 star diamond in the rought" can't be done with any degree of accuracy. You can say that a certain number of them will or won't with a pretty good degree of accuracy, but picking which ones would be pure guess work unless you know them personally, or have some football knowledge about them that others don't. Would you have predicted that those players in that class you mentioned would be busts? (Easy to say "yes" NOW). Plenty of data suggest that, percentage-wise, 5 stars work out better than 4 stars, and so on. It's like you're fond of saying: "The exceptions don't disprove the rule".
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What I'm saying is that predicting any particular individual player to be a "5 star bust" or a "2 star diamond in the rought" can't be done with any degree of accuracy. You can say that a certain number of them will or won't with a pretty good degree of accuracy, but picking which ones would be pure guess work unless you know them personally, or have some football knowledge about them that others don't. Would you have predicted that those players in that class you mentioned would be busts? (Easy to say "yes" NOW). Plenty of data suggest that, percentage-wise, 5 stars work out better than 4 stars, and so on. It's like you're fond of saying: "The exceptions don't disprove the rule".
No, I would NOT have predicted them to crash as disastrously as they have. Not at all.
THUS...
You cannot blame Tommy Tuberville for -- unless he had a magical crystal ball and could see into the future -- he could not have anticipated the level of attrition either. Throwing stones at him is a failed enterprise now, because as you've eloquently stated, there was no human way to predict that the tremendous class he signed (on paper) would shatter as it has.
Kaos for the win.
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No, I would NOT have predicted them to crash as disastrously as they have. Not at all.
THUS...
You cannot blame Tommy Tuberville for -- unless he had a magical crystal ball and could see into the future -- he could not have anticipated the level of attrition either. Throwing stones at him is a failed enterprise now, because as you've eloquently stated, there was no human way to predict that the tremendous class he signed (on paper) would shatter as it has.
Kaos for the win.
Hold the phone.
I distinctly remember Rivals labeling a number of the recruits as 'projects' or otherwise dropping hints that we would a lot of sign-and-place kids in Tuberville's last few recruiting classes. Correct me if I'm wrong. I'm too lazy to do the research right now.
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Hold the phone.
I distinctly remember Rivals labeling a number of the recruits as 'projects' or otherwise dropping hints that we would a lot of sign-and-place kids in Tuberville's last few recruiting classes. Correct me if I'm wrong. I'm too lazy to do the research right now.
Yes you are correct. You are lazy.
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Hold the phone.
I distinctly remember Rivals labeling a number of the recruits as 'projects' or otherwise dropping hints that we would a lot of sign-and-place kids in Tuberville's last few recruiting classes. Correct me if I'm wrong. I'm too lazy to do the research right now.
Now that I'm sober, does this post even make sense in the context of this thread?
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Now that I'm sober, does this post even make sense in the context of this thread?
It only makes sense if it somehow instigates a slap fight between Kaos and Chopper.
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It only makes sense if it somehow instigates a slap fight between Kaos and Chopper.
No more slap fights...that's over.
For the first time in a while...we're on the same page... Go figure. We disagree on the degree of blame that Tuberville should, shouldn't receive on this subject. However, we DO agree that constantly bringing it up now might be a little lame. He did ten times the good for the bad at the end to matter now.
We'll have to see down the road a little more how Chizik and this staff handle the situation. Some are happy, some are pissed off and discouraged. It's natural. I'm cool with that.
...and for the record... It made sense. I chuckle still thinking about a big smile on :bowl: as he tried to hack it out on the keyboard though...
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Yeah, I think it took me 15 minutes to type that out.
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No, I would NOT have predicted them to crash as disastrously as they have. Not at all.
THUS...
You cannot blame Tommy Tuberville for -- unless he had a magical crystal ball and could see into the future -- he could not have anticipated the level of attrition either. Throwing stones at him is a failed enterprise now, because as you've eloquently stated, there was no human way to predict that the tremendous class he signed (on paper) would shatter as it has.
Kaos for the win.
You seem to be arguing against my point, which is in line with yours. I only blame Tubs for the last class or two. Some blame has to go to him for the attrition too, but much of that is also due to the coaching change. Those that don't know...Rich Rod is playing with less scholarship players at Mich than Chizik is at Auburn. They weren't on probation either, but rather had the same type scenario Auburn had the last few years.
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Hold the phone.
I distinctly remember Rivals labeling a number of the recruits as 'projects' or otherwise dropping hints that we would a lot of sign-and-place kids in Tuberville's last few recruiting classes. Correct me if I'm wrong. I'm too lazy to do the research right now.
Sign and place isn't an athletic project, it's an academic project.