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Pat Dye Field => Signing Day => Topic started by: RWS on May 25, 2009, 04:30:59 PM
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After he basically gave a shout-out to Alabama and staff in an AuburnSports.com interview, how do you guys feel about him?
Prowler, if we land him, what will the excuse be? Escalade? Cash? New kitchen? Charger?
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He's been a Bama lock from the beginning. And since you're reading Auburnsports.com, you might want to mention that Bryan Matthews admitted on The Bunker that Demarcus was a Bama lock and included that quote specifically to tell Auburn fans not to get excited about him.
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He's been a Bama lock from the beginning. And since you're reading Auburnsports.com, you might want to mention that Bryan Matthews admitted on The Bunker that Demarcus was a Bama lock and included that quote specifically to tell Auburn fans not to get excited about him.
I check up on AuburnSports.com, but I don't have access to The Bunker. Thats a team subscription specific forum. The main intent of my post was to rile up the likes of Prowler and those like him that would provide entertainment on an otherwise slow day at work.
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I would say he wanted to go to Bama.
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I would say that he's a bammer lock and that y'all got a good one. Basically what I said about Craig Sanders.
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I would say that he's a bammer lock and that y'all got a good one. Basically what I said about Craig Sanders.
You didn't say the first word about him being a "bammer lock" until after he had already committed. You had originally said that Sanders thought it was tacky how Kirby Smart had supposedly made his entrance at Ariton High during the Tiger Prowl. It almost seems as if right after the AU coaches were there you wanted to put it in a light of AU having a shot by telling the story of how Sanders thought Kirby Smart was being "tacky". But then when he signed with Alabama, then came all the crap about Kirby Smart talking to his mom, and all the other bullshit. Not once have I seen where you have said he was a good pickup for us. You always try to manage some little story of negativity for everybody that commits to Alabama, like nobody would ever willingly commit to play football at Alabama because they simply want to.
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You didn't say the first word about him being a "bammer lock" until after he had already committed. You had originally said that Sanders thought it was tacky how Kirby Smart had supposedly made his entrance at Ariton High during the Tiger Prowl. It almost seems as if right after the AU coaches were there you wanted to put it in a light of AU having a shot by telling the story of how Sanders thought Kirby Smart was being "tacky". But then when he signed with Alabama, then came all the crap about Kirby Smart talking to his mom, and all the other bullshit. Not once have I seen where you have said he was a good pickup for us. You always try to manage some little story of negativity for everybody that commits to Alabama, like nobody would ever willingly commit to play football at Alabama because they simply want to.
Craig Sanders did think that the little move by Coach Smart was tacky and I posted the story about Coach Smart stopping by a "Certain" hardware store, weeks before CS committed to the turds....the hardware store is run by CS' mother (that's not just some crap). Also, Auburn was starting to having a really good shot at landing Craig, before he committed to y'all. I don't think he's the type of person to change his commitment after it's already been made, but after the NCAA hands down their sanctions, I wouldn't be too surprised to see it change. Regardless, he's a good commitment that y'all picked up.
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Craig Sanders did think that the little move by Coach Smart was tacky and I posted the story about Coach Smart stopping by a "Certain" hardware store, weeks before CS committed to the turds....the hardware store is run by CS' mother (that's not just some crap). Also, Auburn was starting to having a really good shot at landing Craig, before he committed to y'all. I don't think he's the type of person to change his commitment after it's already been made, but after the NCAA hands down their sanctions, I wouldn't be too surprised to see it change. Regardless, he's a good commitment that y'all picked up.
So, he thought it was tacky and looked poorly upon the representation of the university, but then committed weeks after? Really? You can't even say he is a good pickup without putting as many astericks as possible in front of it. Say, whats the name of the hardware store we are talking about? How was AU "starting to having a really good shot" at landing him, since he was a "bammer lock from birth" as others have put it? Ah, the good ol' "when the NCAA hands down their sanctions....."; the proverbial ace in the hole when you can't think of any other bullshit to spew.
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None of that is spewing bullshit. The NCAA is going to hand down their Sanctions and there's a possibility that it could affect y'all recruiting class....especially if it's worse than 4 scholarships lost over 2 years with an additional of 3-5 years of probation. If you can't see that it could have an effect on your recruiting class, then you need to open your eyes now and realize that it could.
Also, the reason why Auburn was starting to have a really good shot at landing Craig was because they were starting to recruit him hard than SPuat was, but if you've followed recruiting then you know things can and do change in the matter of one phone call.
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None of that is spewing bullshit. The NCAA is going to hand down their Sanctions and there's a possibility that it could affect y'all recruiting class....especially if it's worse than 4 scholarships lost over 2 years with an additional of 3-5 years of probation. If you can't see that it could have an effect on your recruiting class, then you need to open your eyes now and realize that it could.
Also, the reason why Auburn was starting to have a really good shot at landing Craig was because they were starting to recruit him hard than SPuat was, but if you've followed recruiting then you know things can and do change in the matter of one phone call.
Right now our class if halfway full. Do you really think these kids are not aware of impending sanctions? Do you think other schools have not negatively recruited against Alabama with this? Do you think they painted the prettiest picture possible, or the ridiculously worst case scenario while recruiting against us? As far as sanctions go, I don't think we're going to be in that much trouble, and I don't really see the class falling apart or anything due to the NCAA's decision. At this point, it is not even guaranteed that anything happened while we were still on probation. For that matter, we're talking about a "failure to monitor", not even the "lack of institutional control" charge that you guys like to throw around.
As far as AU beginning to have a better shot, its all a matter of message board hearsay, as I think much of recruiting is nowadays. You don't have any proof that he was starting to lean one way anymore than I have proof that he was leaning another. If I were to subscribe to your notion that he was turning more towards AU because Alabama wasn't recruiting him as hard, I could just as easily say Alabama wasn't on him as hard as AU was because he had already told Alabama coaches that he planned on committing to them in the near future.
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Right now our class if halfway full. Do you really think these kids are not aware of impending sanctions? Do you think other schools have not negatively recruited against Alabama with this? Do you think they painted the prettiest picture possible, or the ridiculously worst case scenario while recruiting against us? As far as sanctions go, I don't think we're going to be in that much trouble, and I don't really see the class falling apart or anything due to the NCAA's decision. At this point, it is not even guaranteed that anything happened while we were still on probation. For that matter, we're talking about a "failure to monitor", not even the "lack of institutional control" charge that you guys like to throw around.
Do you not realize that FTM is a notch below LOIC? It is a Major Violation and if SPuat could've produced textbook records, that dated back to the Gene Jelks violations, LOIC would be placed on y'alls shoulders, because it would show that this has been ongoing for quite some time. But, "there's nothing to it".
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Do you not realize that FTM is a notch below LOIC? It is a Major Violation and if SPuat could've produced textbook records, that dated back to the Gene Jelks violations, LOIC would be placed on y'alls shoulders, because it would show that this has been ongoing for quite some time. But, "there's nothing to it".
I see that you didn't want to touch the second half of that post with a 10 ft. clown pole. Probably because it would require specific knowledge and details, neither of which you have. Unless the guy who posted it on whatever board you got it off of was readily available.
As for the NCAA, again, I am not much worried. The following bylaws were the ones Ball State violated:
2.1.1 Responsibility for Control.
2.1.2 Scope of Responsibility.
2.8.1 Responsibility of Institution.
6.01.1 Institutional Control.
15.2.3 Books.
15.5.3.1.2 Women's Sports.
15.5.6.1 Bowl Subdivision Football.
16.11.2.1 General Rule.
17.02.1 Countable Athletically Related Activities.
17.02.13 Voluntary Athletically Related Activities.
17.1.6.1 Daily and Weekly Hour Limitations -- Playing Season.
17.1.6.2 Weekly Hour Limitations -- Outside the Playing Season.
17.1.6.2.1 Institutional Vacation Period and Summer.
17.1.6.2.2 Skill Instruction -- Sports other than Baseball and Football.
Some of the things they were doing were way worse. They originally self reported some of the violations, but then it was found they did not report everything to the NCAA. The NCAA gleaned this info by interviewing former students that had been listed in the original report. Their kids were getting things like iPods and such as well as books, AND making profits off of the books. They ended up with a 2 year probation and a loss of 3 scholarships over 2 years. This whole thing involved 89 students over 10 different sports. This involved about $27,000 worth of textbooks. While they were not in a "repeat offender" window, its not guaranteed that any of our infractions will be counted as such either. I wouldn't imagine we would get much worse than Ball State did if you use them as a precedent. However, with the NCAA, who the hell knows.
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I wouldn't imagine we would get much worse than Ball State did if you use them as a precedent. However, with the NCAA, who the hell knows.
Somebody pull up those great quotes from the last bama/NCAA go-round. Something about barrels and god helping them if they ever get tagged again. Those are a fun read.
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Somebody pull up those great quotes from the last bama/NCAA go-round. Something about barrels and god helping them if they ever get tagged again. Those are a fun read.
Now thats my kind of party.
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So, he thought it was tacky and looked poorly upon the representation of the university, but then committed weeks after? Really? You can't even say he is a good pickup without putting as many astericks as possible in front of it. Say, whats the name of the hardware store we are talking about? How was AU "starting to having a really good shot" at landing him, since he was a "bammer lock from birth" as others have put it? Ah, the good ol' "when the NCAA hands down their sanctions....."; the proverbial ace in the hole when you can't think of any other bullshit to spew.
Prowler, you ready to give up the name of that hardware store yet? Or is this going to end up like the thread where I asked you to give the name of whatever pharmacy you were talking about and why it mattered to anything? Or any other thread that I ever ask you to give specific information beyond your little message board friends.
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Somebody pull up those great quotes from the last bama/NCAA go-round. Something about barrels and god helping them if they ever get tagged again. Those are a fun read.
For some reason, even if this fell into our repeat offender window, I don't see the NCAA going apeshit on us over it.
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For some reason, even if this fell into our repeat offender window, I don't see the NCAA going apeshit on us over it.
Of course you don't.
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Of course you don't.
We shall see, any day now hopefully.
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3 weeks
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We shall see, any day now hopefully.
The Presidents, ADs and coaches are in Destin this week. It'll be next week at least.
Dan Wetzel says expect nothing because the NCAA is softer than a teenage girl's pussy on prom night. Then again, he could just be mad that his story didn't hammer USC into the ground.
Cecil Hurt sounded mighty shakey today saying the sanctions could be worse than expected. Finebaum poked at a bowl ban.
Which would you believe?
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I say little or nothing. If the NCAA can't/won't do shit to this point with the mountain of crap against USC, they won't hammer anyone for improper selling/procuring/fondling of some textbooks.
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I would tend to lean towards Cecil Hurt, not because he's saying that it could be worse, but because the Yahoo Sports guy just seems pissed off at the NCAA that they haven't done anything to USC.....Yet. If I remember correctly Yahoo Sports has been in trial against USC, up until a month or two ago. So, that could've been the hang up there, IDK. It was also funny that the Yahoo guy brought up Auburn's Sociology classes and saying that it shows that the NCAA doesn't have any teeth. That guy needs do a little homework, if he would've, he would've seen that the NCAA did investigate the situation and they found no wrong doing, as far as the football program was concerned. Also, he mentioned FSU's light slap on the wrist for their violations. If it was such a light slap on the wrist, then why are they going to try and get the NCAA to re-do their sanctions. The NCAA took away something special from FSU.
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I say little or nothing. If the NCAA can't/won't do shit to this point with the mountain of crap against USC, they won't hammer anyone for improper selling/procuring/fondling of some textbooks.
While it does not excuse what happened at UA, I also find it ironic that they aren't doing shit about USC, but they are hot on the trail of some kids getting some books for their friends and then returning them.
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I say little or nothing. If the NCAA can't/won't do shit to this point with the mountain of crap against USC, they won't hammer anyone for improper selling/procuring/fondling of some textbooks.
I don't know...the USC basketball program is about to be bitch slapped to hell and back for all of that. Of course, this may mean the uat rock-paper-scissors squad will get the death penalty.
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The Presidents, ADs and coaches are in Destin this week. It'll be next week at least.
Dan Wetzel says expect nothing because the NCAA is softer than a teenage girl's pussy on prom night. Then again, he could just be mad that his story didn't hammer USC into the ground.
Cecil Hurt sounded mighty shakey today saying the sanctions could be worse than expected. Finebaum poked at a bowl ban.
Which would you believe?
The problem with the NCAA is that it is selectively softer than a teenage girl's pussy on prom night. I never think anything is as bad as you think, or as good, so I will go somewhere in the middle of the two scenarios. When you actually read the documentation of what went down (mind you the NCAA has already agreed with UA's account of what happened), its not as serious as some AU fans spin it to be. But then again, its not as insignificant as I've seen some Alabama fans spin it. I'm going to go with 2 years of probation and 4 scholarships over the next 2 years for football.
I really don't think they will force us to vacate any wins from 07 due to prompt suspensions when UA found out, and then applying through the SEC and NCAA for their reinstatements and gaining approval. I think all of that went the way it should have. In essence, the players got their punishment, now we're waiting on the punishment for the institution imo.
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The problem with the NCAA is that it is selectively softer than a teenage girl's pussy on prom night. I never think anything is as bad as you think, or as good, so I will go somewhere in the middle of the two scenarios. When you actually read the documentation of what went down (mind you the NCAA has already agreed with UA's account of what happened), its not as serious as some AU fans spin it to be. But then again, its not as insignificant as I've seen some Alabama fans spin it. I'm going to go with 2 years of probation and 4 scholarships over the next 2 years for football.
I really don't think they will force us to vacate any wins from 07 due to prompt suspensions when UA found out, and then applying through the SEC and NCAA for their reinstatements and gaining approval. I think all of that went the way it should have. In essence, the players got their punishment, now we're waiting on the punishment for the institution imo.
This is in the neighborhood of what I think as well.
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While it does not excuse what happened at UA, I also find it ironic that they aren't doing shit about USC, but they are hot on the trail of some kids getting some books for their friends and then returning them.
They are doing shit about USC, it takes time. I have never seen the NCAA staff work at the warp speed that some expect, especially when they only have around (20) staff members to police over all of the Divisions.
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They are doing shit about USC, it takes time. I have never seen the NCAA staff work at the warp speed that some expect, especially when they only have around (20) staff members to police over all of the Divisions.
Do you really REALLY think they will ever get the USC investigation nailed down? Really?
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Do you really REALLY think they will ever get the USC investigation nailed down? Really?
IMO, yes they will, eventually. It's looking like they'll hit the Athletic Dept. with, the dreaded, LOIC.
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They're going to throw Tim Floyd under the proverbial bus and move on.
Nothing to see here.
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They're going to throw Tim Floyd under the proverbial bus and move on.
Nothing to see here.
Agreed.
I haven't fully educated myself with the USC case, but it looks like they don't really have substantial evidence against Pete Carroll and the football team. So Reggie Bush, a once in a lifetime college player, a once in a lifetime marketing prospect, a once in a lifetime NFL prospect, had illegal dealings with an agent. No shit. If that's the only case against Carroll, then I agree to let him off easy.
As for the basketball program, they're fucked. Even the head coach was giving money to recruits. If you can't control that, then honestly, you don't deserve to have a basketball team.
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Prowler, you ready to give up the name of that hardware store yet? Or is this going to end up like the thread where I asked you to give the name of whatever pharmacy you were talking about and why it mattered to anything? Or any other thread that I ever ask you to give specific information beyond your little message board friends.
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The silence is very telling.
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The silence is very telling.
Yes, the silence should tell you that, I'm not going to tell you anymore information. If the information does come to light, then you'll have the name of the Hardware Store, as well as, the Pharmacy. If not, then just think of it as "nothing to see here" rumors.
Also, what's this I'm hearing about possible suspensions, of a couple high profile players from SPuat, for this upcoming season?
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Yes, the silence should tell you that, I'm not going to tell you anymore information. If the information does come to light, then you'll have the name of the Hardware Store, as well as, the Pharmacy. If not, then just think of it as "nothing to see here" rumors.
Also, what's this I'm hearing about possible suspensions, of a couple high profile players from SPuat, for this upcoming season?
:rofl:
You are damn predictable. As usual, you don't know shit beyond some rumors on a message board.
Ah, and now we have the diversion. Once again, I saw it coming a mile away. I am assuming that you are talking about the rumor of boosters taking Julio Jones and Mark Ingram on a fishing trip and that they would be suspended for the season opener. I'm guessing that you mentioned this rumor for a few reasons:
1. Obviously to deflect and otherwise divert attention.
2. You obviously didn't realize that the rumor was that an AU BOOSTER was the one that supposedly took them on the fishing trip.
3. The rumor was zapped by admins almost as quickly as it appeared on UA and AU Rivals boards.
4. The rumor does not make any sense on so many levels. Even though it had to do with an AU booster and I would love for it to be true, it sounds utterly stupid.
You really just cannot help yourself, can you? Fail.
Now, why are you refusing to give me the specific information I asked for? You said it as if it were fact? Why so shy now? And why was it that Mr. Frost's (big Alabama supporter according to you) dealerships were supplying Chargers for recruits and it was a big thing when it was raided, but now all of a sudden he had nothing to do with the Chargers? You said they came from an auction house, so what is the name of the auction house?
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:rofl:
You are damn predictable. As usual, you don't know shit beyond some rumors on a message board.
Ah, and now we have the diversion. Once again, I saw it coming a mile away. I am assuming that you are talking about the rumor of boosters taking Julio Jones and Mark Ingram on a fishing trip and that they would be suspended for the season opener. I'm guessing that you mentioned this rumor for a few reasons:
1. Obviously to deflect and otherwise divert attention.
2. You obviously didn't realize that the rumor was that an AU BOOSTER was the one that supposedly took them on the fishing trip.
3. The rumor was zapped by admins almost as quickly as it appeared on UA and AU Rivals boards.
4. The rumor does not make any sense on so many levels. Even though it had to do with an AU booster and I would love for it to be true, it sounds utterly stupid.
You really just cannot help yourself, can you? Fail.
Now, why are you refusing to give me the specific information I asked for? You said it as if it were fact? Why so shy now? And why was it that Mr. Frost's (big Alabama supporter according to you) dealerships were supplying Chargers for recruits and it was a big thing when it was raided, but now all of a sudden he had nothing to do with the Chargers? You said they came from an auction house, so what is the name of the auction house?
Whats wrong, you don't have anymore information for us?
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Yeah, I do....But, I'm going to let it come out on it's own, so I won't ruin the surprise.
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Yeah, I do....But, I'm going to let it come out on it's own, so I won't ruin the surprise.
Riiiight.
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Totally random post here. I heard on our local sports talk show that the LB from Andalusia that signed with Bammie, had the charges dropped. I believe it was assault charges but they apparently cleared it all up.
Please continue with your regularly scheduled programming.
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Totally random post here. I heard on our local sports talk show that the LB from Andalusia that signed with Bammie, had the charges dropped. I believe it was assault charges but they apparently cleared it all up.
Please continue with your regularly scheduled programming.
It really was nothing.
At most, it would have been verbal assault. As in, "Fuck you, you douche bag. I'll beatch yo ass."
The story goes - punk kid talks a bunch of shit to Nico Johnson. Nico gets upset. Punk kid sends Nico a bunch of text messages and then calls the police on Nico Johnson for verbal assault. Nico goes quietly and clears everything up.
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It really was nothing.
At most, it would have been verbal assault. As in, "Fuck you, you douche bag. I'll beatch yo ass."
The story goes - punk kid talks a bunch of shit to Nico Johnson. Nico gets upset. Punk kid sends Nico a bunch of text messages and then calls the police on Nico Johnson for verbal assault. Nico goes quietly and clears everything up.
Agreed. I just thought I'd post it in fairness because there was small amount of shit given to the kid for "Typical Bammer" behavior. Report both sides and all that shit.
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Agreed. I just thought I'd post it in fairness because there was small amount of shit given to the kid for "Typical Bammer" behavior. Report both sides and all that shit.
It wasn't dropped, but they did go to court and Nico was found not guilty. It was basically a situation as THS described above.