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Pat Dye Field => War Damn Eagle => Topic started by: AUChizad on February 14, 2009, 02:20:20 PM
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This is copypasta from a comments section of an article I read, but I thought it was fitting due to recent conversations here.
I am a coach who hated my last job. I had a losing overall record, and I lost 10 games my last season there. I really wanted to get back to where I was WAY more successful, and so I decided to return to the SEC where I was part of championship-caliber teams. I was offered a much higher paying job, and I took it in a heartbeat despite “rebuilding” efforts at my then current job. I took a lot of crap for taking this new job, but I am determined to be successful. I have no doubt that I’ll be able to return to my successful ways before too long, despite my dismal performance at my last job. As a matter of fact, I’d prefer it if we just neglected my last job altogether. I have now arrived at the place I want to stay and build a legacy. I just had a decent first recruiting class. Good, but not great. Next season may be a little bit tough, but I guarantee that I will recruit endlessly and will be a dominant recruiter, and in years to come I will turn this team around.
My name: no, it’s NOT Gene Chizik…………it’s Nick Saban.
Now it is worth noting that I concede Gene Chizik is not Nick Saban, nor do I want him to be…but the similarities are striking.
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Yes the similarities are striking.
But, here's a real Who Am I?
I was the Head Coach of a (6-5) D1AA team in my first and only year ('83).
I was in the running to be the next HC at D1 University where I was the QB Coach in ('82), but got turned down.
I was (5-17) in my first two years of three as the Head Coach of a team in the same state as the D1 team where I was turned down ('85-'87).
I was (2-20) in my first two years of 10 as the Head Coach of a team that was in a conference being Dominated by one team out of Florida ('88-'97).
I am still Coaching.
Who Am I?
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Yes the similarities are striking.
But, here's a real Who Am I?
I was the Head Coach of a (6-5) D1AA team in my first and only year ('83).
I was in the running to be the next HC at D1 University where I was the QB Coach in ('82), but got turned down.
I was (5-17) in my first two years of three as the Head Coach of a team in the same state as the D1 team where I was turned down ('85-'87).
I was (2-20) in my first two years of 10 as the Head Coach of a team that was in a conference being Dominated by one team out of Florida ('88-'97).
Who Am I?
I really have no clue. I think you need to add a few more. Is he still coaching now? He only coached ten years and stopped in 97?
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*Added another hint*
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Slack Mack Brown aka The owner of all things musschamp.
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Slack Mack Brown aka The owner of all things musschamp.
Bingo
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Fucking ridiculous. Apples and Chinese food.
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I was (6-10) at my first stop as a HC in the NFL ('94)
I was (28-23) at my next HC stop in the NFL ('97-'99)
I took one year off ('00)
I was (6-6) in my first year of my first Head Coaching gig at the College Level ('01).
I'm still coaching
Who Am I?
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Pete Carrol
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You forgot to add that both of those coaches are now at the biggest schools in the state and are national media darlings.
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I bet they wouldn't have a faggoty looking avater though.
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Pete Carrol
Bingo
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Fuck comparing ourselves to Alabama...
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I agree, and the original author covered that in his post. However, I thought it was fitting considering some consider Sabbun a God amongst men, while Chizik is "all hat, no cattle" and the worst hire in college football history... :taunt:
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I agree, and the original author covered that in his post. However, I thought it was fitting considering some consider Sabbun a God amongst men, while Chizik is "all hat, no cattle" and the worst hire in college football history... :taunt:
No, it doesn't fit shit. If ALL Saban had as head coaching experience was what was displayed, then you'd have a somewhat valid comparison. Unfortunately you don't.
Gene Chizik was the worst hire ever made by a major college football program other than perhaps Gerry Faust by Notre Dame.
Name a single other SERIOUS program, a program that professes to want to compete at the highest level that would have taken a chance on a coach like Chizik. Just one. The only thing remotely close was Bama's Shula hire and that came in the wake of the Price debacle and was an emergency freak out.
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Which part of the first post does not describe Chizik or Sabbun? I'd say the comparison BEING MADE is undoubtedly valid. Maybe not your straw man.
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Which part of the first post does not describe Chizik or Sabbun? I'd say the comparison BEING MADE is undoubtedly valid. Maybe not your straw man.
Chizik is the fucking straw man. And the tin man, too. Only time will tell if he's also that retarded lion.
The comparison is completely invalid because you ignore everything else that refutes the argument. Saban's NFL experience has no relation to Chizik's college experience. If Saban had never coached college and that was his only experience, then you'd have a point. Sadly, you don't. It wasn't Saban's first two years as coach. There is ZERO correlation there.
If you want to drag the exceptions like Mack Brown in there, then go for it. It would be a valid comparison. When you're using exceptions to prove a rule, however, your argument has already failed.
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Chizik is the fucking straw man. And the tin man, too. Only time will tell if he's also that retarded lion.
The comparison is completely invalid because you ignore everything else that refutes the argument. Saban's NFL experience has no relation to Chizik's college experience. If Saban had never coached college and that was his only experience, then you'd have a point. Sadly, you don't. It wasn't Saban's first two years as coach. There is ZERO correlation there.
Straw. Man.
This does not make any of the parallels in the original post untrue.
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There is a difference between truth and relevance.
Chizik wears reading glasses. So does S. Epatha Merkerson's character on Law & Order.
This is a true comparison.
You cannot from this infer that Chizik is, therefore, a black woman playing a police officer on television. That's relevance. The comparison that started this turd of a thread is no more valid than the inference above.
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There is a difference between truth and relevance.
Chizik wears reading glasses. So does S. Epatha Merkerson's character on Law & Order.
This is a true comparison.
You cannot from this infer that Chizik is, therefore, a black woman playing a police officer on television. That's relevance. The comparison that started this turd of a thread is no more valid than the inference above.
So, when are you going to stop posting argumentative post after post and actually write something for the front, Mr. "Head Writer"?
Just asking a question....
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When I feel like it.
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When I feel like it.
Fail. Period. If you felt half of what you say, you'd have a shitload to write about, but you can't in good conscience.
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It's gotten to the point where you (and GreaseyWeasel) are to Auburn football as Michael Moore is to America.
"No, you don't understand. I love it deeply. That's why I want to see it utterly fail and be crushed from within. Listen as I twist logic and confuse the issue until you're not sure what we're even arguing about. I will not in any way acknowledge logical counterpoints. Everyone ELSE is a blathering idiot who just doesn't get it."
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It's gotten to the point where you (and GreaseyWeasel) are to Auburn football as Michael Moore is to America.
"No, you don't understand. I love it deeply. That's why I want to see it utterly fail and be crushed from within. Listen as I twist logic and confuse the issue until you're not sure what we're even arguing about. I will not in any way acknowledge logical counterpoints. Everyone ELSE is a blathering idiot who just doesn't get it."
Is that a direct quote from Kaos or Pinky?
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Fail. Period. If you felt half of what you say, you'd have a shitload to write about, but you can't in good conscience.
Fuck you, dog breath bitch.
I write when I have time and when I feel like it. Right now I don't have it and I don't feel like it.
I don't give a fiddling fuck in a oak bucket what you think or what you expect.
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Is that a direct quote from Kaos or Pinky?
No. It was an exercise similar to the original post.
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It's gotten to the point where you (and GreaseyWeasel) are to Auburn football as Michael Moore is to America.
"No, you don't understand. I love it deeply. That's why I want to see it utterly fail and be crushed from within. Listen as I twist logic and confuse the issue until you're not sure what we're even arguing about. I will not in any way acknowledge logical counterpoints. Everyone ELSE is a blathering idiot who just doesn't get it."
It's gotten to the point where some of you are Richard Simmons, cheerleading all the fucking time.
You don't understand a fucking thing if you think I want to see Auburn fail or be crushed. I thought you had better fucking sense than that.
i fucking HATE that Auburn hired Gene Chizik. I will hate it until I have a valid reason not to hate it. You can twist it all around and make yourself feel good if you want, but I'm not in the frame of mind to do so right now. When you have to dig as hard as some of you fuckers are doing to find something positive to say about the deal, well... fuck that. I'm not a "she's got a great personality" kind of person. If she's a fat ass, I'm going to say so.
I acknowledge logical counterpoints. I just haven't seen many lately. You might have some, but your "fuckbuddy" Chowler hasn't had one in months.
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Fuck you, dog breath bitch.
I write when I have time and when I feel like it. Right now I don't have it and I don't feel like it.
I don't give a fiddling fuck in a oak bucket what you think or what you expect.
"dog breath bitch"... :bugs:
Okay...seriously though, as a "head writer"... You suck big time. Don't tell us you don't feel like writing. You just know what you're saying is bullshit and you don't want anyone legit to see it. What you say in here isn't worth the bag of flaming poo you deliver it in.
Why an oak bucket? Anyway, two fucks and an oak bucket tells me you do care.
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It's gotten to the point where some of you are Richard Simmons, cheerleading all the fucking time.
You don't understand a fucking thing if you think I want to see Auburn fail or be crushed. I thought you had better fucking sense than that.
i fucking HATE that Auburn hired Gene Chizik. I will hate it until I have a valid reason not to hate it. You can twist it all around and make yourself feel good if you want, but I'm not in the frame of mind to do so right now. When you have to dig as hard as some of you fuckers are doing to find something positive to say about the deal, well... fuck that. I'm not a "she's got a great personality" kind of person. If she's a fat ass, I'm going to say so.
I acknowledge logical counterpoints. I just haven't seen many lately. You might have some, but your "fuckbuddy" Chowler hasn't had one in months.
This whole post is just more regurgitated bullshit, and your "Chowler" line is old and tired now. Time to work on a new shtick.
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Still stealing material? Great.
I do agree with you on one thing. Some of what I write is regurgitated. Because SOME of you fucks don't get it the first, third, fifth or fiftieth time I explain it to you. You keep making up your own shit and ascribing it to me. Instead of reading and understanding, you read and apply your own meaning to it -- which generally has no relation to what was actually said.
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Still stealing material? Great.
This whole post is just more regurgitated bullshit, and your "Chowler" line is old and tired now. Time to work on a new shtick.
Yes, this was copy-written material. You better cease, stay off my back, or I will attack and you don't want that. I have the power!
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Yes, this was copy-written material. You better cease, stay off my back, or I will attack and you don't want that. I have the power!
Patented senseless post.
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I'm done with this shit for now.
You can go ahead and thump your chest and claim you ran me off, but I've got shit to do and I don't really have any interest in filling up two entire threads with your stupidity.
Here's an idea. If you want to be ridiculed again tomorrow, start ONE thread and I'll just do it there. That way everybody else won't have to wade through your nonsense. You can even have your buddy Prowler post there. Two heads are usually better than one, but in your case....
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I'm done with this shit for now.
You can go ahead and thump your chest and claim you ran me off, but I've got shit to do and I don't really have any interest in filling up two entire threads with your stupidity.
Here's an idea. If you want to be ridiculed again tomorrow, start ONE thread and I'll just do it there. That way everybody else won't have to wade through your nonsense. You can even have your buddy Prowler post there. Two heads are usually better than one, but in your case....
First off, you lyrics recognition FAIL is noted.
Second, your BS is E V E R Y W H E R E, so spare me the "you just start ONE thread" blah blah bullshit and we'll go from there.
Have a good night Kaos! :drevil:
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I'm done with this shit for now.
You can go ahead and thump your chest and claim you ran me off, but I've got shit to do and I don't really have any interest in filling up two entire threads with your stupidity.
Here's an idea. If you want to be ridiculed again tomorrow, start ONE thread and I'll just do it there. That way everybody else won't have to wade through your nonsense. You can even have your buddy Prowler post there. Two heads are usually better than one, but in your case....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuUBgkdFMqs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuUBgkdFMqs)
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It's gotten to the point where some of you are Richard Simmons, cheerleading all the fucking time.
You don't understand a fucking thing if you think I want to see Auburn fail or be crushed. I thought you had better fucking sense than that.
i fucking HATE that Auburn hired Gene Chizik. I will hate it until I have a valid reason not to hate it. You can twist it all around and make yourself feel good if you want, but I'm not in the frame of mind to do so right now. When you have to dig as hard as some of you fuckers are doing to find something positive to say about the deal, well... fuck that. I'm not a "she's got a great personality" kind of person. If she's a fat ass, I'm going to say so.
I acknowledge logical counterpoints. I just haven't seen many lately. You might have some, but your "fuckbuddy" Chowler hasn't had one in months.
I'm just saying, would it KILL you to step off the ledge every once in a blue moon and say "Hey, Gus Malzahn (or Trooper Taylor, or Tracy Rocker, or Tommy Thigpen, or who the fuck ever) was a great hire by Chizik. He just may possibly prove me wrong yet." Or maybe, "Hey that Emory Blake kid was a great pickup. I can see him stepping up and being an asset next year." No, instead it's "Oh my God, he's from TEXAS?!?!? WHAT THE FUCK ARE WE THINKING!!! IT'S THE END OF THE WORLD!!!!"
You're Chicken Little. When everything's a disaster your opinion becomes null. Hell, even the bammers on this board can find SOME compliments on SOME aspects of the staff hires and recruiting efforts (the only things Chizik can rationally be judged on thus far).
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Yes, this was copy-written material. You better cease, stay off my back, or I will attack and you don't want that. I have the power!
Anyone else get this reference?
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I'm just saying, would it KILL you to step off the ledge every once in a blue moon and say "Hey, Gus Malzahn (or Trooper Taylor, or Tracy Rocker, or Tommy Thigpen, or who the fuck ever) was a great hire by Chizik. He just may possibly prove me wrong yet." Or maybe, "Hey that Emory Blake kid was a great pickup. I can see him stepping up and being an asset next year." No, instead it's "Oh my God, he's from TEXAS?!?!? WHAT THE FUCK ARE WE THINKING!!! IT'S THE END OF THE WORLD!!!!"
You're Chicken Little. When everything's a disaster your opinion becomes null. Hell, even the bammers on this board can find SOME compliments on SOME aspects of the staff hires and recruiting efforts (the only things Chizik can rationally be judged on thus far).
Everything HAS been a disaster of some scale since Franklin came on board. Since then it's been pretty much balls up. Football program's gone from being widely considered one of the top ten in the country to just a notch above Tulane. I see people already writing off the next three or four years so Chiz can get his own players in there. I want to kick the living hell out of them.
When you have to qualify every so-called success with a "considering" or "if you ignore..." then you're already in a hole. Do you realize how far some of you have had to stretch to make a positive out of it?
Somebody's got to balance the couple of Chizloons here. BTW, it's the same few who had screaming red-in-the-face meltdowns when I had the audacity to suggest that the Franklin plan was an express train to hell. The fact that it's those same people now who have strokes when I criticize the hire or Chizik, well....
I don't care what Bammers on this or any other board think. I had plenty of nice things to say about Shula, too.
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Everything HAS been a disaster of some scale since Franklin came on board. Since then it's been pretty much balls up. Football program's gone from being widely considered one of the top ten in the country to just a notch above Tulane. I see people already writing off the next three or four years so Chiz can get his own players in there. I want to kick the living hell out of them.
When you have to qualify every so-called success with a "considering" or "if you ignore..." then you're already in a hole. Do you realize how far some of you have had to stretch to make a positive out of it?
Somebody's got to balance the couple of Chizloons here. BTW, it's the same few who had screaming red-in-the-face meltdowns when I had the audacity to suggest that the Franklin plan was an express train to hell. The fact that it's those same people now who have strokes when I criticize the hire or Chizik, well....
I don't care what Bammers on this or any other board think. I had plenty of nice things to say about Shula, too.
Do you even remember PChamp? Do you remember the vitriol you had for that guy for being critical of Auburn with about 75% of his posts? You've WAAAAY surpassed the 75% threshold. I was one of the few people that never had a problem with PChamp, and I even have lauded your rants, but Christ, at a certain point enough is enough. I understand that a poster or two sees Chizik as doing no wrong, but it is obvious that Chizik can win the next 6 National Championships in a row, cure cancer, kill Osama Bin Laden with his bare hands, and kick the economy into the Roaring 2010's, and you and GreaseyWeasel would still wish death upon him.
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Everything HAS been a disaster of some scale since Franklin came on board. Since then it's been pretty much balls up. Football program's gone from being widely considered one of the top ten in the country to just a notch above Tulane. I see people already writing off the next three or four years so Chiz can get his own players in there. I want to kick the living hell out of them.
When you have to qualify every so-called success with a "considering" or "if you ignore..." then you're already in a hole. Do you realize how far some of you have had to stretch to make a positive out of it?
Somebody's got to balance the couple of Chizloons here. BTW, it's the same few who had screaming red-in-the-face meltdowns when I had the audacity to suggest that the Franklin plan was an express train to hell. The fact that it's those same people now who have strokes when I criticize the hire or Chizik, well....
I don't care what Bammers on this or any other board think. I had plenty of nice things to say about Shula, too.
Wrong. Everything has NOT been a disaster since the Franklin hire. If you think it has, then you're just the stereotypical doom and gloomer that finds something to criticize even in a victory on the field.
How can you say that hiring Trooper Taylor was a disaster? How could pulling in a top 20 class (we're just a notch above Tulane, remember?) be considered a disaster?
Does Taylor do too many chest bumps? That's it, isn't it? Auburn ain't that kinda football team! We can't change anything! We can't recruit a few guys from Texas!
You're an old man, and you want us all off your lawn.
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Do you even remember PChamp? Do you remember the vitriol you had for that guy for being critical of Auburn with about 75% of his posts? You've WAAAAY surpassed the 75% threshold. I was one of the few people that never had a problem with PChamp, and I even have lauded your rants, but Christ, at a certain point enough is enough. I understand that a poster or two sees Chizik as doing no wrong, but it is obvious that Chizik can win the next 6 National Championships in a row, cure cancer, kill Osama Bin Laden with his bare hands, and kick the economy into the Roaring 2010's, and you and GreaseyWeasel would still wish death upon him.
(http://adagiago.files.wordpress.com/2007/12/hahaha-lulz.jpg)
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Everything HAS been a disaster of some scale since Franklin came on board. Since then it's been pretty much balls up. Football program's gone from being widely considered one of the top ten in the country to just a notch above Tulane. I see people already writing off the next three or four years so Chiz can get his own players in there. I want to kick the living hell out of them.
When you have to qualify every so-called success with a "considering" or "if you ignore..." then you're already in a hole. Do you realize how far some of you have had to stretch to make a positive out of it?
Somebody's got to balance the couple of Chizloons here. BTW, it's the same few who had screaming red-in-the-face meltdowns when I had the audacity to suggest that the Franklin plan was an express train to hell. The fact that it's those same people now who have strokes when I criticize the hire or Chizik, well....
I don't care what Bammers on this or any other board think. I had plenty of nice things to say about Shula, too.
I think you have a slight tendency to embellish or amplify other people's intentions and emotions to somewhat justify your own. I think while you enjoy the funny aspect behind what you say, you really come across primarily as an intoxicated loon and story teller. You tend to remind me of some of the street performers I came across in Jackson Square this weekend in New Orleans with my fiance. Fun to listen to, but pretty much bullshit and there for entertainment purposes only.
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I made a freakin' 4 paragraph thread that I somehow deleted because my time ran out while I was trying to post it. It was solid gold and plainly stated everything you need to know about Chiz, ISU Football and our future.
I sux at Al Gore's intrawebs.
By the way, my little boy gave me a LOL Cats book for Valentines Day. I love those things.
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Yes, this was copy-written material. You better cease, stay off my back, or I will attack and you don't want that. I have the power!
Man, am I getting THAT old? "The Power" - Snap
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Man, am I getting THAT old? "The Power" - Snap
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AaMEBrnwQkQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AaMEBrnwQkQ)
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I got it the first time. Pardon me for not explicitly LOLing over a reference to "I've Got The Power".
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Wrong. Everything has NOT been a disaster since the Franklin hire. If you think it has, then you're just the stereotypical doom and gloomer that finds something to criticize even in a victory on the field.
How can you say that hiring Trooper Taylor was a disaster? How could pulling in a top 20 class (we're just a notch above Tulane, remember?) be considered a disaster?
Does Taylor do too many chest bumps? That's it, isn't it? Auburn ain't that kinda football team! We can't change anything! We can't recruit a few guys from Texas!
You're an old man, and you want us all off your lawn.
Yeah. I'm going to shoot you if you don't get off my lawn. That's it.
Disaster of some scale. Scale is the key term there. If you blow up my house and in the wreckage I find a picture I loved and a couple of mementos I treasured, they offset it some but the house is still blown the fuck up -- therefore disaster.
While this hire or that hire is decent, while a Top 20 class (ignoring the fact that it was ranked between 8th and 11th in the SEC depending on who you ask) isn't the Titanic sinking, while there have been glimmers of positivity -- still doesn't counter the overall negative push. It might get there, I don't know. Right now it's not.
Has there been a victory on the field I missed somewhere? There's been a string of bite-sized moral victories and the possibility that we're not about to suffer through Orgeron II, I'm waiting until I see something concrete beyond ooo-RAH from a couple of goobers.
Some of you fucks bashed me when I wanted to burn Tony Franklin's house at halftime of the first game. It's the same basic crew who are now shitting their pants because I won't jump on the Chizik wagon. So forgive me if I just hang on to my viewpoint here until I have a reason to believe otherwise. A reason that satisfies me.
While you're at it, go ahead and be prepared for me to whizz on patently ridiculous posts like the completely illogical one that started this thread. Even if Chiz wins 80 consecutive games, the analogy presented here had no legs or arms, torso or head.
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I got it the first time. Pardon me for not explicitly LOLing over a reference to "I've Got The Power".
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I don't give two shits if you thought it was funny, and who made it about you? Drink a nice scalding hot cup of shut the fuck up and sit down. It was a question, not a request for laughter Captain Smartypants.
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Yeah. I'm going to shoot you if you don't get off my lawn. That's it.
Disaster of some scale. Scale is the key term there. If you blow up my house and in the wreckage I find a picture I loved and a couple of mementos I treasured, they offset it some but the house is still blown the fuck up -- therefore disaster.
While this hire or that hire is decent, while a Top 20 class (ignoring the fact that it was ranked between 8th and 11th in the SEC depending on who you ask) isn't the Titanic sinking, while there have been glimmers of positivity -- still doesn't counter the overall negative push. It might get there, I don't know. Right now it's not.
Has there been a victory on the field I missed somewhere? There's been a string of bite-sized moral victories and the possibility that we're not about to suffer through Orgeron II, I'm waiting until I see something concrete beyond ooo-RAH from a couple of goobers.
Some of you fucks bashed me when I wanted to burn Tony Franklin's house at halftime of the first game. It's the same basic crew who are now shitting their pants because I won't jump on the Chizik wagon. So forgive me if I just hang on to my viewpoint here until I have a reason to believe otherwise. A reason that satisfies me.
While you're at it, go ahead and be prepared for me to whizz on patently ridiculous posts like the completely illogical one that started this thread. Even if Chiz wins 80 consecutive games, the analogy presented here had no legs or arms, torso or head.
So why blow up EVERY FUCKING THREAD with your bullshit? Who fucking cares... Nobody cares that you care THAT much, but taking your sky is falling routine and shitting in every thread whether it's positive or not is fucking OLD. Period.
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Has there been a victory on the field I missed somewhere? There's been a string of bite-sized moral victories and the possibility that we're not about to suffer through Orgeron II, I'm waiting until I see something concrete beyond ooo-RAH from a couple of goobers.
Some of you fucks bashed me when I wanted to burn Tony Franklin's house at halftime of the first game. It's the same basic crew who are now shitting their pants because I won't jump on the Chizik wagon. So forgive me if I just hang on to my viewpoint here until I have a reason to believe otherwise. A reason that satisfies me.
I may be wrong, but I don't think ANY TEAM has a win for the 2009 season right now. I think that is the point that others are trying to make. Everyone here was pissed at the Chiz hire (except maybe prowler but he is the exception to almost everything), but a few of us have backed off the ledge a bit. He has done nothing but prove he at least deserves a shot with the Auburn Program.
Chizik has surrounded himself with really good coaches and I think that is important. He got another coach from UNC that had been there for 4 years and was named a top recruiter by Rivals in 2007 and 2009. If he is getting all of these guys that were successful coaches all over the coutry, don't you think that they may be buying into what Chiz is selling? I have never talked to Chiz before, but if he is convincing a lot of successful coaches into coming and being a part of AUburn University, don't you think he has the right mind set to do it to a bunch of 18 year old kids too? If you don't like Chiz, even though you have never talked with him before, wouldn't you AT LEAST take into consideration the other coaches opinion of him and say...maybe...just maybe he may be more than I originally thought.
Or do you know more than Rocker, and Malzhan, and Luper, and Trooper, and Roof, and Thigpen? If you don't value Chiz opinion and trust him to run the program, do you atleast trust the opinion of all of these previously successful coaches? Because they have bought into what Chiz is selling and have risked their entire professional career on this "dumb fucing baffoon".
I am not completely sold on Chizik, but at this point, I have nothing to judge him on (because I don't now shit about ISU) other than what he has done since the hire. And since his hire, nothing but good things have happened. Will it continue? I don't have a clue. But right now, I don't see any need to run him out of town, but every need to give him my support.
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So why blow up EVERY FUCKING THREAD with your bullshit? Who fucking cares... Nobody cares that you care THAT much, but taking your sky is falling routine and shitting in every thread whether it's positive or not is fucking OLD. Period.
Why do you bother posting at all? That's the better question.
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Why do you bother posting at all? That's the better question.
Is this supposed to be a deep question? Why does a head writer not write? You SUUUCCCCKKKK at what you do. You don't feel like writing, but you've written more bullshit in 24 hours replying to posts you supposedly don't care anything about while the front page sits clear of anything by you in well over a month.
Complete failure.
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I may be wrong, but I don't think ANY TEAM has a win for the 2009 season right now. I think that is the point that others are trying to make. Everyone here was pissed at the Chiz hire (except maybe prowler but he is the exception to almost everything), but a few of us have backed off the ledge a bit. He has done nothing but prove he at least deserves a shot with the Auburn Program.
Chizik has surrounded himself with really good coaches and I think that is important. He got another coach from UNC that had been there for 4 years and was named a top recruiter by Rivals in 2007 and 2009. If he is getting all of these guys that were successful coaches all over the coutry, don't you think that they may be buying into what Chiz is selling? I have never talked to Chiz before, but if he is convincing a lot of successful coaches into coming and being a part of AUburn University, don't you think he has the right mind set to do it to a bunch of 18 year old kids too? If you don't like Chiz, even though you have never talked with him before, wouldn't you AT LEAST take into consideration the other coaches opinion of him and say...maybe...just maybe he may be more than I originally thought.
Or do you know more than Rocker, and Malzhan, and Luper, and Trooper, and Roof, and Thigpen? If you don't value Chiz opinion and trust him to run the program, do you atleast trust the opinion of all of these previously successful coaches? Because they have bought into what Chiz is selling and have risked their entire professional career on this "dumb fucing baffoon".
I am not completely sold on Chizik, but at this point, I have nothing to judge him on (because I don't now shit about ISU) other than what he has done since the hire. And since his hire, nothing but good things have happened. Will it continue? I don't have a clue. But right now, I don't see any need to run him out of town, but every need to give him my support.
This pretty much sums up my feelings. Thanks for saving me a lot of typing.
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Yeah. I'm going to shoot you if you don't get off my lawn. That's it.
Disaster of some scale. Scale is the key term there. If you blow up my house and in the wreckage I find a picture I loved and a couple of mementos I treasured, they offset it some but the house is still blown the fuck up -- therefore disaster.
While this hire or that hire is decent, while a Top 20 class (ignoring the fact that it was ranked between 8th and 11th in the SEC depending on who you ask) isn't the Titanic sinking, while there have been glimmers of positivity -- still doesn't counter the overall negative push. It might get there, I don't know. Right now it's not.
Has there been a victory on the field I missed somewhere? There's been a string of bite-sized moral victories and the possibility that we're not about to suffer through Orgeron II, I'm waiting until I see something concrete beyond ooo-RAH from a couple of goobers.
Some of you fucks bashed me when I wanted to burn Tony Franklin's house at halftime of the first game. It's the same basic crew who are now shitting their pants because I won't jump on the Chizik wagon. So forgive me if I just hang on to my viewpoint here until I have a reason to believe otherwise. A reason that satisfies me.
While you're at it, go ahead and be prepared for me to whizz on patently ridiculous posts like the completely illogical one that started this thread. Even if Chiz wins 80 consecutive games, the analogy presented here had no legs or arms, torso or head.
So you admit that there has been some indications that the program is heading POSSIBLY in the right direction. I think you forget to mention that in most of your posts. Instead, all we see is constant Auburn bashing and no hope for the future.
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Only in response to the Chizalujah chorus.
http://tigersx.net/forum/index.php?topic=2553.0 (http://tigersx.net/forum/index.php?topic=2553.0)
I refer you back to this thread because I think it's telling. This is where it all started for me, basically. This thread led us to where we are today.
I saw, in Franklin, things that alarmed me. I saw it early. This thread was started on August 31 at about 6 p.m. It so closely mirrors some of the discussions we've since had regarding Chizik that it's eerie.
The same people who are now 100% up Chizik's ass were then 100% up Franklin's. They used the same lame ass tactics of argument -- attack the poster, ignore the point -- that characterize their discussions now.
In this thread, if you care to look, you will find Chopper telling people to "get off the ledge" in the same blundering manner as you see here. You'll see him bluster and huff in support of Franklin. You'll even see him yank out the (even then unfunny) Captain Smartypants line. You'll see Chop explaining how those of us who are alarmed are "going overboard." You'll see him go volcanic because people disagree with him.
You'll see Chizad align himself with Chopper and assure everyone the sky isn't falling and that we should look at all the positives.
Then you'll see the usual suspects derail it and take it in a pressure-reducing direction. Moderation without moderating. Awesome work, actually and not nearly appreciated enough.
The only thing missing here was Prowler. Not sure where he was in this. Don't remember him being on the wagon either way with Franklin.
Now why did I post this? Pretty simple. Because the same instinct that was giving me heartburn about Franklin is gnawing at me with Chizik. And I've got the same people telling me the same things they did then -- often in almost exactly the same language. So I'm not going to listen to that again. Why should I?
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Only in response to the Chizalujah chorus.
http://tigersx.net/forum/index.php?topic=2553.0 (http://tigersx.net/forum/index.php?topic=2553.0)
I refer you back to this thread because I think it's telling. This is where it all started for me, basically. This thread led us to where we are today.
I saw, in Franklin, things that alarmed me. I saw it early. This thread was started on August 31 at about 6 p.m. It so closely mirrors some of the discussions we've since had regarding Chizik that it's eerie.
The same people who are now 100% up Chizik's ass were then 100% up Franklin's. They used the same lame ass tactics of argument -- attack the poster, ignore the point -- that characterize their discussions now.
In this thread, if you care to look, you will find Chopper telling people to "get off the ledge" in the same blundering manner as you see here. You'll see him bluster and huff in support of Franklin. You'll even see him yank out the (even then unfunny) Captain Smartypants line. You'll see Chop explaining how those of us who are alarmed are "going overboard." You'll see him go volcanic because people disagree with him.
You'll see Chizad align himself with Chopper and assure everyone the sky isn't falling and that we should look at all the positives.
Then you'll see the usual suspects derail it and take it in a pressure-reducing direction. Moderation without moderating. Awesome work, actually and not nearly appreciated enough.
The only thing missing here was Prowler. Not sure where he was in this. Don't remember him being on the wagon either way with Franklin.
Now why did I post this? Pretty simple. Because the same instinct that was giving me heartburn about Franklin is gnawing at me with Chizik. And I've got the same people telling me the same things they did then -- often in almost exactly the same language. So I'm not going to listen to that again. Why should I?
You shouldn't, you were right about Franklin. Are you right about Chizik? Only time will tell.
I agree with you that some people are on the Chizik band wagon and that they think he can do no wrong. I am not one of those. I simply see Chizik as a dissappointing hire but since then, he has given me something at least to be hopeful of. That's it. You on the other hand, hated the hire, but anything up until he wins a National Championship will never be enough. That's just the difference in me and you. And that's cool. I just don't see why you have to try and force your opinion down everyone's throat and have the attitude of "If you don't agree with me, then you are a fucking dumb ass"...
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I understand the feeling you've got but I think that stems more from Jacobs utter failure at making the "Splash" hire that so many of us anticipated. There's not a soul on this board (Chop & Prowler, please correct me if I'm wrong) that didn't say WTF'nF when they pulled a Chiz out of the blue. But, I think the point that so many have tried to stress, is he IS the man and we don't have any choice other than analyzing what what he's done since he's been here.
Hard to sit here and say with a straight face that he's proven himself to all his detractors. He hasn't. But, he's certainly done all anyone could ask of him to this point. I'm not gonn'a sit here and say, "Wow, I was wrong about Gene Chizik...it looks like he'll do great things at Auburn." But, I will give the man credit for working his ass off to this point and doing what appear to be some good things in recruiting and coaching hires. I'm just happy for the change there, Obama, and having someone working to at least try to move this program forward instead of the same old, "Well, we've won a lot of games around here" mentality.
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You shouldn't, you were right about Franklin. Are you right about Chizik? Only time will tell.
I agree with you that some people are on the Chizik band wagon and that they think he can do no wrong. I am not one of those. I simply see Chizik as a dissappointing hire but since then, he has given me something at least to be hopeful of. That's it. You on the other hand, hated the hire, but anything up until he wins a National Championship will never be enough. That's just the difference in me and you. And that's cool. I just don't see why you have to try and force your opinion down everyone's throat and have the attitude of "If you don't agree with me, then you are a fucking dumb ass"...
Misconstrued.
National title? Not a realistic goal for anyone. Nice to have as objective, but not as a barometer of success. Too many variables. Auburn should have won in 2004. LSU should not have in 2003. But what is is what is.
I think the fact that the same ones barking now are the ones who were barking then is a major reason I'm not climbing on that bus. I saw the same lame horseshit last time.
My expectations are simple. Don't go backward. Right now, it's still backward. I got no idea what the new guys can actually do. So I'm not going to ejaculate at the mere mention of their name. Status-wise? We improved a couple of positions. Whoever is coaching receivers, even if it's Tyler Perry or Madea is better than Knox. Has to be. Whoever is coaching quarterbacks, even if it's Liv Tyler or Joe Perry, is better than the Stinkfinger/Franklin hybrid.
Is Grimes better than Nall? Nothing to make me think that now. How many All Americans has Grimes coached? How many are in the NFL?
Is Boulware better than Gran at special teams? Is Luper better than Gran at RBs? No reason to think he is at this point. At BEST that's an even trade.
Rocker might be a good coach, but it would be hard to top what Dunn did over the last few years, particularly with the defensive ends.
See where I'm headed? Is Auburn any better off today than it was a year ago at this time? That's a hard assessment to make. I can't say we are.
I'm not trying to force anything on anybody. There are only one or two dumbasses around here -- and they know who they are. You can believe, hope, dream, paint whatever you want. I'll just do the same.
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Misconstrued.
National title? Not a realistic goal for anyone. Nice to have as objective, but not as a barometer of success. Too many variables. Auburn should have won in 2004. LSU should not have in 2003. But what is is what is.
I think the fact that the same ones barking now are the ones who were barking then is a major reason I'm not climbing on that bus. I saw the same lame horseshit last time.
I'm not trying to force anything on anybody. There are only one or two dumbasses around here -- and they know who they are. You can believe, hope, dream, paint whatever you want. I'll just do the same.
Oh, and I want to make one thing very clear. If you noticed the last few posts on that thread you dug up, I am still heterosexual.
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Only in response to the Chizalujah chorus.
http://tigersx.net/forum/index.php?topic=2553.0 (http://tigersx.net/forum/index.php?topic=2553.0)
I refer you back to this thread because I think it's telling. This is where it all started for me, basically. This thread led us to where we are today.
I saw, in Franklin, things that alarmed me. I saw it early. This thread was started on August 31 at about 6 p.m. It so closely mirrors some of the discussions we've since had regarding Chizik that it's eerie.
The same people who are now 100% up Chizik's ass were then 100% up Franklin's. They used the same lame ass tactics of argument -- attack the poster, ignore the point -- that characterize their discussions now.
In this thread, if you care to look, you will find Chopper telling people to "get off the ledge" in the same blundering manner as you see here. You'll see him bluster and huff in support of Franklin. You'll even see him yank out the (even then unfunny) Captain Smartypants line. You'll see Chop explaining how those of us who are alarmed are "going overboard." You'll see him go volcanic because people disagree with him.
You'll see Chizad align himself with Chopper and assure everyone the sky isn't falling and that we should look at all the positives.
Then you'll see the usual suspects derail it and take it in a pressure-reducing direction. Moderation without moderating. Awesome work, actually and not nearly appreciated enough.
The only thing missing here was Prowler. Not sure where he was in this. Don't remember him being on the wagon either way with Franklin.
Now why did I post this? Pretty simple. Because the same instinct that was giving me heartburn about Franklin is gnawing at me with Chizik. And I've got the same people telling me the same things they did then -- often in almost exactly the same language. So I'm not going to listen to that again. Why should I?
I would like to state for the record that I don't believe Franklin should receive 100% of the blame for last year's woes. There was a perfect storm of shit that caused last year to happen. Not the least of which was Tuberville not allowing Franklin to do his thing his own way from assistants to playcalling.
But I digress...talk about your illogical leaps. Talk about your comparing apples and Chinese food.
Congratulations, Nostradamus, you had a bad feeling about last year and we tanked. I guess you're vindicated. Now we should listen to how your soul aches because Chizik gave a pep talk to the basketball team in which he evoked a sports cliche that also HAPPENS to be the motto of a certain other team (along with 50 million others).
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I would like to state for the record that I don't believe Franklin should receive 100% of the blame for last year's woes. There was a perfect storm of shit that caused last year to happen. Not the least of which was Tuberville not allowing Franklin to do his thing his own way from assistants to playcalling.
But I digress...talk about your illogical leaps. Talk about your comparing apples and Chinese food.
Congratulations, Nostradamus, you had a bad feeling about last year and we tanked. I guess you're vindicated. Now we should listen to how your soul aches because Chizik gave a pep talk to the basketball team in which he evoked a sports cliche that also HAPPENS to be the motto of a certain other team (along with 50 million others).
Guess you should have a stroke and gloss over the fact that about three or four posts in, I said I started that thread as a goof.
Internet: Super serious business.
But since you brought it up, yeah... I was Nostradamus. Some folks were Nostradumbass about it. And until I'm wrong, I'm going to hang on to my title. I sure as hell won't "step off the ledge" because the same clueless fuck who told me to last time is saying the same thing again.
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"The same clueless fuck"... But you don't get personal. You are a fucking joke.
For the record I'm in total agreement with W.E. and Birdman.
Continue on though...
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"The same clueless fuck"... But you don't get personal. You are a fucking joke.
For the record I'm in total agreement with W.E. and Birdman.
Continue on though...
HAHAHAHA...
"clueless" is a description of your position. "fuck" is a verb. Or a noun. Or a pronoun. Can be any part of speech.
Gathering allies. Or actually not as the case may be, but whatever.
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So you admit that there has been some indications that the program is heading POSSIBLY in the right direction. I think you forget to mention that in most of your posts. Instead, all we see is constant Auburn bashing and no hope for the future.
I like Lebo as a person, if that's any consolation. (but as a coach...?)
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You're a fucktard. Break that down any way you'd like. haha. :thumbsup:
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HAHAHAHA...
"clueless" is a description of your position. "fuck" is a verb. Or a noun. Or a pronoun. Can be any part of speech.
Gathering allies. Or actually not as the case may be, but whatever.
I understand what you are doing, I guess. However, this post did not make any sense.
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I understand what you are doing, I guess. However, this post did not make any sense.
No, it was not my best effort.
Clueless fuck refers to the position, although it is a description of the person I suppose -- but only in the context of the raging bullshit he or she posts, not as a general definition.
For example if you said Barry Lookinland was a good actor, I'd say you were a clueless fuck, but the clueless fuckacity only applies to that particular position.
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I don't really see where the analogy makes sense on the CNS end. Before he left NCAA for the NFL, he had some damn good players and coached a team to a MNC....as a head coach. He went on to the NFL where he wasn't nearly as successful doing something he hated. He already had a reputation as a college head coach. Therefore, when he came back to coaching college ball, of course everybody assumed he would pick back up where he left off. So far, that prediction seems to be coming true.
Chizik was successful as a coordinator before moving on to become unsuccessful as a head coach. How does that compare to CNS? Good coordinators aren't automatically good head coaches. Would I take Mike Shula as a QB coach? Yes. Do I want him as a head coach? Hell no.
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No, it was not my best effort.
Clueless fuck refers to the position, although it is a description of the person I suppose -- but only in the context of the raging bullshit he or she posts, not as a general definition.
For example if you said Barry Lookinland was a good actor, I'd say you were a clueless fuck, but the clueless fuckacity only applies to that particular position.
Cindy was a whore. And, I would have paid to see Greg bend Carol Brady over the bannister.
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I don't really see where the analogy makes sense on the CNS end. Before he left NCAA for the NFL, he had some damn good players and coached a team to a MNC....as a head coach. He went on to the NFL where he wasn't nearly as successful doing something he hated. He already had a reputation as a college head coach. Therefore, when he came back to coaching college ball, of course everybody assumed he would pick back up where he left off. So far, that prediction seems to be coming true.
Chizik was successful as a coordinator before moving on to become unsuccessful as a head coach. How does that compare to CNS? Good coordinators aren't automatically good head coaches. Would I take Mike Shula as a QB coach? Yes. Do I want him as a head coach? Hell no.
We're having a good time arguing here. STFU
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No, it was not my best effort.
Clueless fuck refers to the position, although it is a description of the person I suppose -- but only in the context of the raging bullshit he or she posts, not as a general definition.
For example if you said Barry Lookinland was a good actor, I'd say you were a clueless fuck, but the clueless fuckacity only applies to that particular position.
Calling someone a "fuck" is a synecdoche (horrible word to say outloud by the way). You're shortening the insult "you are a fucking retard."
Or perhaps it's a hendiadys, which is where you separate a typical pairing of two words by connecting them with the word "and."
For example, Kaos thinks Chop is the fucking retard of Tigersx. Instead, he could say Chop is the fuck and the retard of Tigersx.
I looked up "fuck" and found that one of its definitions could mean "a contemptible person." So it is legal to use it as a noun.
Now, back to mindless arguing.
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Cindy was a whore. And, I would have paid to see Greg bend Carol Brady over the bannister.
I would have ridden the Cindy train when she reached the appropriate age, of course.
Hey, maybe I should post pictures of some of the girls who were on Hee Haw or Petticoat Junction in a thread titled: Girls of the Brady Bunch. (kidding, Prowler, if I were to do that it would clearly be a covert operation intended to elicit a response).
(http://www.tvland.com/awards2007/allaccess/gallery/photos/a-brady-susan-olson-son-michael.jpg)
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I would have ridden the Cindy train when she reached the appropriate age, of course.
Hey, maybe I should post pictures of some of the girls who were on Hee Haw or Petticoat Junction in a thread titled: Girls of the Brady Bunch. (kidding, Prowler, if I were to do that it would clearly be a covert operation intended to elicit a response).
(http://www.tvland.com/awards2007/allaccess/gallery/photos/a-brady-susan-olson-son-michael.jpg)
Motorboat.
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Motorboat.
You ole' sailor you.
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Calling someone a "fuck" is a synecdoche (horrible word to say outloud by the way). You're shortening the insult "you are a fucking retard."
Or perhaps it's a hendiadys, which is where you separate a typical pairing of two words by connecting them with the word "and."
For example, Kaos thinks Chop is the fucking retard of Tigersx. Instead, he could say Chop is the fuck and the retard of Tigersx.
I looked up "fuck" and found that one of its definitions could mean "a contemptible person." So it is legal to use it as a noun.
Now, back to mindless arguing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C14tdOeoB9Y (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C14tdOeoB9Y)
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Didn't Susan Olsen do a porn movie? I seem to recall that happening.
(http://www.tvland.com/awards2007/allaccess/gallery/photos/a-brady-susan-olson-son-michael.jpg)