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Pat Dye Field => War Damn Eagle => Topic started by: Snaggletiger on December 29, 2008, 12:30:00 PM
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Let me say first off, I'm happy with the hire and you can't argue the numbers. I hope it energizes this program and gets some big time recruits pumped about Auburn. Lord knows, we need a few playmakers.
However, I was surprised by this choice because I thought Chiz came in and emphatically stated we would be getting back to pounding the ball. I've seen the rushing numbers from Tulsa, impressive. Except that any numbers run up against UTEP and Cal Poly San Louis O'Buttfuck does nothing for me. But, from everything I've seen, they didn't run out of many traditional sets and they fling it all around the field. That's fine with me as long as it works but the choice seems to go against the grain for what CGC came in and said he wanted to do.
Now having said that, I don't recall Arky running anything remotely similar to what Tulsa runs. Was that Nutt's influence or did Malzahn adjust to their strengths...and I would dare say that McFadden and Felix Jones would be considered strong points. Hawgs on the board, what did you think of CGM and has he changed his style in recent years?
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Gus isn't as pass happy as some might lead you to believe. He is very creative and he will get your playmakers the ball in positions where they can make plays.
When Arkansas beat Auburn in 2006, we only passed 10 times the whole game.
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Great...now we are back to making plays in space??
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I think there was a fine line between people wanting to run the ball, and how to run the ball, and lastly, when to run the ball. To explain, I think we can all agree that we've all been around and heard fellow Auburn fans scream "Throw it downfield!!!". I think we all want that from time to time. However, we also all agree that we heard the "just pound it in there from the "I" inside the 15 yard line". Gus Malzahn's offense fits that mold. He's going to run out of different sets, includeing the "I", shotgun, ace formations, but he believes in stuffing it down your throat in the redzone. He's NOT Tony Franklin, and I think after reading some serious feedback over the past few days, that Auburn fans will be happy with his approach to offense once they actually get to see it, and stop guessing about what they MIGHT see.
JMO...
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The spring game will be a must see this year!
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The spring game will be a must see this year!
Sell out of 87,000 at A day, oh wait we aren't the Satan worshipping necks
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The spring game will be a must see this year!
Agreed.
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Gus isn't as pass happy as some might lead you to believe. He is very creative and he will get your playmakers the ball in positions where they can make plays.
When Arkansas beat Auburn in 2006, we only passed 10 times the whole game.
See this is what I recall about that game. Mitch Mudstain only threw it a handful of times and it was always at the perfect time. I'm hoping that it was a case of Malzahn realizing he had a young, inexperienced QB and two studs in the backfield so he adjusted his offense accordingly. I was blown away to see what he did with Tulsa and the type of O he ran there.
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Now having said that, I don't recall Arky running anything remotely similar to what Tulsa runs. Was that Nutt's influence or did Malzahn adjust to their strengths...and I would dare say that McFadden and Felix Jones would be considered strong points. Hawgs on the board, what did you think of CGM and has he changed his style in recent years?
He was limited under Nutt. But that Wildcat offense was all Gus. He ran the same thing when he was coaching at Springdale High School.
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He's NOT Tony Franklin...
Can you get this notarized for me?
My name is Nellie.
I remember reading much similar jubilation at the hire of Frankin. I cringed then and I've got a twinge of a cringe now.
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I thought the hiring of Franklin was off the wall and way too much of a departure from traditional Auburn football. Then, like so many others, I watched the Clemson game and wondered how anyone in the nation stood a chance against such a formidable offensive powerhouse like teh War Eagles with Franklin at the helm.
Needless to say, my football prognosticating skillz rival those of small hampster.
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I thought the hiring of Franklin was off the wall and way too much of a departure from traditional Auburn football. Then, like so many others, I watched the Clemson game and wondered how anyone in the nation stood a chance against such a formidable offensive powerhouse like teh War Eagles with Franklin at the helm.
Needless to say, my football prognosticating skillz rival those of small hampster.
Or even a hamster? You damn pre-madonna.
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Can you get this notarized for me?
My name is Nellie.
I remember reading much similar jubilation at the hire of Frankin. I cringed then and I've got a twinge of a cringe now.
Gus had us dreaming big until HDN handcuffed us.
This is a bit of his style when some true freshmen were inserted in an assraping game vs USC.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FaSY2dE3NA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FaSY2dE3NA)
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What was that thing back there throwing the ball and handing it off?
Does Auburn have one of those? If we do, we need to use it.
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I've thought about this hire a lot today. It fits in with the complete disjoination going on down on the plains now.
"Going back tothat old smash mouth style of Auburn football"
"Money is no object"
"Gonna get the best coach available"
There are as many lies coming from this fucktarded regime in power as there are flies circling tuscaloosa.
Folks I believe that despite wanting to feel good about it I can not escape the deep seated belief that we have fisted ourselves this time.
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I've thought about this hire a lot today. It fits in with the complete disjoination going on down on the plains now.
"Going back tothat old smash mouth style of Auburn football"
"Money is no object"
"Gonna get the best coach available"
There are as many lies coming from this fucktarded regime in power as there are flies circling tuscaloosa.
Folks I believe that despite wanting to feel good about it I can not escape the deep seated belief that we have fisted ourselves this time.
Yeah, I'm sick of the fucking lip service we always seem to get.
All hat no cattle.
That was the tag applied to Chizik by the ISU faithful. And it certainly fits everything I know and have seen from Jay Douchebag Jacobs.
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Can you get this notarized for me?
My name is Nellie.
I remember reading much similar jubilation at the hire of Frankin. I cringed then and I've got a twinge of a cringe now.
Malzahn will be different. We'll actually get to see if his system works. Well, hopefully.
Tony Franklin didn't even get a chance to fuck up. The assistants he was working with assured that outcome.
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BTW, weasel...Gus Malzahn, in his presser today, stated that in his offense We'll be a run first-pass second type of offense and that We will be a physical Smash Mouth offense when need be....and that We'll throw it Vertical. His offense will be ran out of the I, Pro Set, Shotgun, Singleback, No Back and Shotgun Five Wide, and the Wildtiger.
So either, Suck it up and get behind the Auburn Tigers or change your colors....I'm assuming you're an Auburn fan.
Constructive Criticism is a good thing.
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BTW, weasel...Gus Malzahn, in his presser today, stated that in his offense We'll be a run first-pass second type of offense and that We will be a physical Smash Mouth offense when need be....and that We'll throw it Vertical. His offense will be ran out of the I, Pro Set, Shotgun, Singleback, No Back and Shotgun Five Wide, and the Wildtiger.
So either, Suck it up and get behind the Auburn Tigers or change your colors....I'm assuming you're an Auburn fan.
Constructive Criticism is a good thing.
Whoa, dude, I promised the Weasel before I invited him here that there would be none of that "who's a true Auburn fan" stuff going on here. That's what characterizes AUundercover.
From everything I've seen and read, Weez is a Tiger. His colors are fine.
There's no "approved" position on this site. He can be just as pissed off and raging as me. And he's pissed off at Jay Jacobs and those who pull the strings.
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Then that was directed at you too.
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we have fisted ourselves this time.
You have really taken this phrase and made it your own, haven't you? jumbo may sue for copyright infringement - it's kinda his catchphrase...
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Then that was directed at you too.
Bzzzt. Wrong answer. This site doesn't have "official positions."
Not you, not me, not anybody on this site gets to decide what can and can't be said. Nobody gets to say "get on the bandwagon or get off." Not you, not me, not anybody. Not now, not ever.
If you remember that's why us Pilgrims got on the Mayflower to begin with. Or was it Puritans and the Santa Maria? I can't remember who we were or which boat, but you know what I mean.
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Bzzzt. Wrong answer. This site doesn't have "official positions."
If you remember that's why the Pilgrims got on the Mayflower to begin with. Or was it Puritans and the Santa Maria? I can't remember.
i thought it was Scooby Doo and the Mystery Machine...
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Bzzzt. Wrong answer. This site doesn't have "official positions."
If you remember that's why the Pilgrims got on the Mayflower to begin with. Or was it Puritans and the Santa Maria? I can't remember.
Not a lot of difference between prowler calling him out like he did and your bud having a completely shitty attitude with the "chizik and his handlers must go" saying.
Seeing that pissed me off and I was wondering if he wasa troll. I can see why ya'll are chums though with the over the top views.
The chizik hire was shocking at first glance but looks better every day. I'm going to give the guy a chance to see what he's got. I definitely don't think his isu record is an indicator of his ability. Malzahn is an exciting hire, period. Let's see how recruiting finishes up too.
One thing for damn sure, I'm glad they axed tubs. The fire in his belly turned out to be some heartburn that went away. He did a lot for us but had shot his wad in 2004. At this point I wouldn't change what has happened to put tubs back in place with his offensive buddies, thats for certain.
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Not a lot of difference between prowler calling him out like he did and your bud having a completely shitty attitude with the "chizik and his handlers must go" saying.
Seeing that pissed me off and I was wondering if he wasa troll. I can see why ya'll are chums though with the over the top views.
now now... it takes all kinds and all opinions to make the world go round. No intrabrotherhood hatred around here... not when we have a common enemy. Besides, their hyperbole is funny...
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now now... it takes all kinds and all opinions to make the world go round. No intrabrotherhood hatred around here... not when we have a common enemy. Besides, their hyperbole is funny...
No intrabrotherhood hatred? Fuck that. I HATE this new Greaseyweasel kid's comments about wanting Chizik to fail. Fuck that shit. He and Kaos can eat a dick if that's what they think.
But that's the beauty of this site. They can think what they think, and I can say what I say without grudges being held. They both can come back and rip me a new one for disagreeing with them. We can have back and forth banter that would make Mama cry. In the end, we can still grab a beer and tell fart jokes. Welcome to Tigersx.
(Just no racism)
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No intrabrotherhood hatred? Fuck that. I HATE this new Greaseyweasel kid's comments about wanting Chizik to fail. Fuck that shit. He and Kaos can eat a dick if that's what they think.
But that's the beauty of this site. They can think what they think, and I can say what I say without grudges being held. They both can come back and rip me a new one for disagreeing with them. We can have back and forth banter that would make Mama cry. In the end, we can still grab a beer and tell fart jokes. Welcome to Tigersx.
(Just no racism)
I didn't say you couldn't vehemently agree to disagree while calling one another fuckheads - I just said no hatin'. Big difference. hatin' is what happens at that OTHER place.
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Fuck All This Noise about not hating people. I Hate the Mouthbreathers, PLAIN and SIMPLE....And if anyone hates on Auburn Constantly then they might as well be Mouthbreathers too. I really don't HATE anyone, that's a strong word to use, lets just say...if they were on fire I'd piss on 'em, but not enough to put 'em out, lol.
And if you don't like Big Red, then FUCK YOU!!!
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now now... it takes all kinds and all opinions to make the world go round. No intrabrotherhood hatred around here... not when we have a common enemy. Besides, their hyperbole is funny...
I like kaos. He is like the brother (maybe cousin, lol) that I occasionally like to go toe to toe with. I am willing to give weasel a fair shake, just didn't like his saying. The over the top thing wasn't meant to be ugly, it was an honest observation.
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Let me tell you a little story...
I first went to AUundercover because another member of this board issued a plea for help. He was being abused there. I am nothing if not a knight and I took it upon myself to heed his call. I went there with guns blazing, throwing grenades in every direction.
Once there I discovered the Weasel. He's got an extreme view of things. More extreme than I ever thought about being. What I also saw was many of the so-called Auburn fans on that board attacking him en masse.
Among other things they:
1) Questioned his sexual orientation
2) Questioned his Auburn fandom
3) Insisted that unless he bowed to the "official" point of view, he should be banned from the site
4) Attacked him personally rather than debating the points he raised.
5) Took sides with avowed Bama fans against him
Sound familiar to any of you?
Weasel was bombastic. He was completely over the top. But he didn't back down. And that impressed this agent of Kaos.
So I invited him to visit this site. Why? Because I thought that this site, more so than any other, would be a safe haven for his rants. My belief was (and remains) that in a bomb-friendly zone, the Weez would be able to get that out of the system and add value to this board.
*cue low humming of the Star Spangled Banner *
This site, you see, represents the best of America to me. It was founded on freedom. It was founded with one basic rule.
You know in the Planet of the Apes movies how the ape society has that one basic rule "Ape shall not kill ape?" It's sort of like that.
No, I'm not talking about the no racism rule, because that's really nebulous and sort of unenforceable. Besides one man's racism is another man's Chocolate News, but I digress.
*humming grows louder *
No, I'm talking about the rule that NOBODY on this site gets to say "Agree with me or change your colors." This site just doesn't work that way. We may fight. We may disagree. We may want to have hot steamy sex with each other. Or maybe not. We may want to kick the living shit out of each other -- you know who I'm talking to! -- but we NEVER say that one or the other of us has the market on Auburn fandom cornered.
Nobody on this site has that right.
We lived under the thumb of David Fucking Ward telling all of us what was and what wasn't Auburn when that bearded bastard wouldn't know it if Auburn grew fangs and bit his (according to Titan) stubby dick off. We chafed under moderation that directed the "tone" and the direction of threads. We suffered under uneven moderation that protected certain Bama fans at the expense of Auburn fans. We endured personal attacks because we had the audacity to have thoughts that were counter to what a handful of misguided dolts expressed.
And then somebody, thank goodness, built a lifeboat and carried us away from there. We landed here at Plymouth X. And we started our own colony, built on expressive freedom.
Raven Riley was our Pocohontas. And I did her all over the land.
When I was on my I hate Tony Franklin kick and spent untold hours shredding the guy on the site, you guys let me work through it. Because that's what we do. Some of you disagreed with me -- some vehemently. But not once did any of you tell me I had to sign up for your view or get off the Auburn bus. And I never said that anybody who was on the Franklin wagon was any less of an Auburn fan than I am. That's the cornerstone of this site. It makes me cry.
So when I saw the Weasel getting abused in a most David Fucking Wardsian manner, I encouraged him to join us here. The Weasel resisted at first because he was afraid that he would run into the same close-minded "agree with me or you're not an AU fan" wall that surrounded him at AUU. I assured him that he would not, because this site was founded on that very principle. I thank the founding brothers for setting this ship asail.
I currently hate Jay Jacobs just as much as I did two years ago when I started raising hell about him and the potential damage he could do to this program. I still want him gone. But I'm almost over the ranting -- almost -- and am moving on to the scheming and thinking to figure out what I can possibly do to make sure this is the last coaching hire he gets to make.
Weasel isn't there yet. And he may not get there. That's okay, too.
I've read a lot of his stuff. I've never seen any indication that he WANTS Chizik to fail, only that failure is the outcome he fears with every bone in his body. Remember my soul aching during the early Franklin debacle? I think the Weasel's soul is aching now.
And I also believe that the Weasel -- if I may be so bold to speak for him -- is willing to endure that failure if in doing so it improves Auburn in the long run. That's a far different position than "hoping" for failure.
*Are you still humming? You can stop now.*
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Kaos, you had me at hot steamy sex...
But I have really pondered the issue, and considered the options and I have decided deep down within me that I cannot with good conscience ever wish AU to fail in anything, even if it helps in the long run. And I do think it might help. But I can't do it - I just can't because I believe it would set our program back so far in this fastpaced football environment that it may take years to recover. And I appreciate you agreeing to disagree, as I know you and weasel will - and that's ok.
I think there are other ways to get rid of JJTFH and if you come up with something workable, I am right there by your side, pitchfork and torch in hand. Fuck him, fuck Lowder, fuck bammer, fuck Saban (eeww) and fuck anyone else who screws with my beloved Tigers.
You and weasel have found your forum - make the most of it.
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Kaos, you had me at hot steamy sex...
But I have really pondered the issue, and considered the options and I have decided deep down within me that I cannot with good conscience ever wish AU to fail in anything, even if it helps in the long run. And I do think it might help. But I can't do it - I just can't because I believe it would set our program back so far in this fastpaced football environment that it may take years to recover. And I appreciate you agreeing to disagree, as I know you and weasel will - and that's ok.
I think there are other ways to get rid of JJTFH and if you come up with something workable, I am right there by your side, pitchfork and torch in hand. Fuck him, fuck Lowder, fuck bammer, fuck Saban (eeww) and fuck anyone else who screws with my beloved Tigers.
You and weasel have found your forum - make the most of it.
Jennny, honey, you know I don't do fail. I just don't. I want AU to win everything. Checkers. I want to win the fucking can drive every year.
I don't want Chiz to fail. I would be happy if he stayed 25 amazingly successful years.
But that doesn't mean that I'm any happier about the overall level of incompetence and mismanagement I think pervades the school.
Having a daughter there now allows me to see other things. I've been pretty disappointed with some of the things I've seen and the way Auburn has done stuff. Maybe I'm just too old school for my own good, but I worry that Auburn got so big that it lost all of those "personal" things that MADE us what we are.
Anyway, enough. Nobody hopes for failure.
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Let me tell you a little story...
I first went to AUundercover because another member of this board issued a plea for help. He was being abused there. I am nothing if not a knight and I took it upon myself to heed his call. I went there with guns blazing, throwing grenades in every direction.
Once there I discovered the Weasel. He's got an extreme view of things. More extreme than I ever thought about being. What I also saw was many of the so-called Auburn fans on that board attacking him en masse.
Among other things they:
1) Questioned his sexual orientation
2) Questioned his Auburn fandom
3) Insisted that unless he bowed to the "official" point of view, he should be banned from the site
4) Attacked him personally rather than debating the points he raised.
5) Took sides with avowed Bama fans against him
Sound familiar to any of you?
Weasel was bombastic. He was completely over the top. But he didn't back down. And that impressed this agent of Kaos.
So I invited him to visit this site. Why? Because I thought that this site, more so than any other, would be a safe haven for his rants. My belief was (and remains) that in a bomb-friendly zone, the Weez would be able to get that out of the system and add value to this board.
*cue low humming of the Star Spangled Banner *
This site, you see, represents the best of America to me. It was founded on freedom. It was founded with one basic rule.
You know in the Planet of the Apes movies how the ape society has that one basic rule "Ape shall not kill ape?" It's sort of like that.
No, I'm not talking about the no racism rule, because that's really nebulous and sort of unenforceable. Besides one man's racism is another man's Chocolate News, but I digress.
*humming grows louder *
No, I'm talking about the rule that NOBODY on this site gets to say "Agree with me or change your colors." This site just doesn't work that way. We may fight. We may disagree. We may want to have hot steamy sex with each other. Or maybe not. We may want to kick the living shit out of each other -- you know who I'm talking to! -- but we NEVER say that one or the other of us has the market on Auburn fandom cornered.
Nobody on this site has that right.
We lived under the thumb of David Fucking Ward telling all of us what was and what wasn't Auburn when that bearded bastard wouldn't know it if Auburn grew fangs and bit his (according to Titan) stubby dick off. We chafed under moderation that directed the "tone" and the direction of threads. We suffered under uneven moderation that protected certain Bama fans at the expense of Auburn fans. We endured personal attacks because we had the audacity to have thoughts that were counter to what a handful of misguided dolts expressed.
And then somebody, thank goodness, built a lifeboat and carried us away from there. We landed here at Plymouth X. And we started our own colony, built on expressive freedom.
Raven Riley was our Pocohontas. And I did her all over the land.
When I was on my I hate Tony Franklin kick and spent untold hours shredding the guy on the site, you guys let me work through it. Because that's what we do. Some of you disagreed with me -- some vehemently. But not once did any of you tell me I had to sign up for your view or get off the Auburn bus. And I never said that anybody who was on the Franklin wagon was any less of an Auburn fan than I am. That's the cornerstone of this site. It makes me cry.
So when I saw the Weasel getting abused in a most David Fucking Wardsian manner, I encouraged him to join us here. The Weasel resisted at first because he was afraid that he would run into the same close-minded "agree with me or you're not an AU fan" wall that surrounded him at AUU. I assured him that he would not, because this site was founded on that very principle. I thank the founding brothers for setting this ship asail.
I currently hate Jay Jacobs just as much as I did two years ago when I started raising hell about him and the potential damage he could do to this program. I still want him gone. But I'm almost over the ranting -- almost -- and am moving on to the scheming and thinking to figure out what I can possibly do to make sure this is the last coaching hire he gets to make.
Weasel isn't there yet. And he may not get there. That's okay, too.
I've read a lot of his stuff. I've never seen any indication that he WANTS Chizik to fail, only that failure is the outcome he fears with every bone in his body. Remember my soul aching during the early Franklin debacle? I think the Weasel's soul is aching now.
And I also believe that the Weasel -- if I may be so bold to speak for him -- is willing to endure that failure if in doing so it improves Auburn in the long run. That's a far different position than "hoping" for failure.
*Are you still humming? You can stop now.*
OH.....Humming. I thought you said booing, lol.
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OH.....Humming. I thought you said booing, lol.
You offering a hummer? I mean, because I don't think I swing that way.
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Jose' can you seeeeeeeeeeeeee!
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Let me tell you a little story...
I first went to AUundercover because another member of this board issued a plea for help. He was being abused there. I am nothing if not a knight and I took it upon myself to heed his call. I went there with guns blazing, throwing grenades in every direction.
Once there I discovered the Weasel. He's got an extreme view of things. More extreme than I ever thought about being. What I also saw was many of the so-called Auburn fans on that board attacking him en masse.
Among other things they:
1) Questioned his sexual orientation
2) Questioned his Auburn fandom
3) Insisted that unless he bowed to the "official" point of view, he should be banned from the site
4) Attacked him personally rather than debating the points he raised.
5) Took sides with avowed Bama fans against him
Sound familiar to any of you?
Weasel was bombastic. He was completely over the top. But he didn't back down. And that impressed this agent of Kaos.
So I invited him to visit this site. Why? Because I thought that this site, more so than any other, would be a safe haven for his rants. My belief was (and remains) that in a bomb-friendly zone, the Weez would be able to get that out of the system and add value to this board.
*cue low humming of the Star Spangled Banner *
This site, you see, represents the best of America to me. It was founded on freedom. It was founded with one basic rule.
You know in the Planet of the Apes movies how the ape society has that one basic rule "Ape shall not kill ape?" It's sort of like that.
No, I'm not talking about the no racism rule, because that's really nebulous and sort of unenforceable. Besides one man's racism is another man's Chocolate News, but I digress.
*humming grows louder *
No, I'm talking about the rule that NOBODY on this site gets to say "Agree with me or change your colors." This site just doesn't work that way. We may fight. We may disagree. We may want to have hot steamy sex with each other. Or maybe not. We may want to kick the living shit out of each other -- you know who I'm talking to! -- but we NEVER say that one or the other of us has the market on Auburn fandom cornered.
Nobody on this site has that right.
We lived under the thumb of David Fucking Ward telling all of us what was and what wasn't Auburn when that bearded bastard wouldn't know it if Auburn grew fangs and bit his (according to Titan) stubby dick off. We chafed under moderation that directed the "tone" and the direction of threads. We suffered under uneven moderation that protected certain Bama fans at the expense of Auburn fans. We endured personal attacks because we had the audacity to have thoughts that were counter to what a handful of misguided dolts expressed.
And then somebody, thank goodness, built a lifeboat and carried us away from there. We landed here at Plymouth X. And we started our own colony, built on expressive freedom.
Raven Riley was our Pocohontas. And I did her all over the land.
When I was on my I hate Tony Franklin kick and spent untold hours shredding the guy on the site, you guys let me work through it. Because that's what we do. Some of you disagreed with me -- some vehemently. But not once did any of you tell me I had to sign up for your view or get off the Auburn bus. And I never said that anybody who was on the Franklin wagon was any less of an Auburn fan than I am. That's the cornerstone of this site. It makes me cry.
So when I saw the Weasel getting abused in a most David Fucking Wardsian manner, I encouraged him to join us here. The Weasel resisted at first because he was afraid that he would run into the same close-minded "agree with me or you're not an AU fan" wall that surrounded him at AUU. I assured him that he would not, because this site was founded on that very principle. I thank the founding brothers for setting this ship asail.
I currently hate Jay Jacobs just as much as I did two years ago when I started raising hell about him and the potential damage he could do to this program. I still want him gone. But I'm almost over the ranting -- almost -- and am moving on to the scheming and thinking to figure out what I can possibly do to make sure this is the last coaching hire he gets to make.
Weasel isn't there yet. And he may not get there. That's okay, too.
I've read a lot of his stuff. I've never seen any indication that he WANTS Chizik to fail, only that failure is the outcome he fears with every bone in his body. Remember my soul aching during the early Franklin debacle? I think the Weasel's soul is aching now.
And I also believe that the Weasel -- if I may be so bold to speak for him -- is willing to endure that failure if in doing so it improves Auburn in the long run. That's a far different position than "hoping" for failure.
*Are you still humming? You can stop now.*
Wait a minute...
If the knights had grenades and guns and shit, then why was Arthur always fucking around with that lame ass sword?
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Weasel called.... You may now have sex with him.
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I agree with both sides in this matter. I never want Auburn to fail in anything...period! I also feel like I am having a major case of deja vu. Haven't we heard this all before? I am taking a more wait and see approach, because frankly there is nothing else we can do about it. I hope Chizik is the second coming of a football god, but based on JJ's historical past of hiring coaches, the chances of that happening are not real good. Sure he has talked a good game, but I can run bullshit with the best of them, the buck stops when the pads meet the turf and so on that note all we can do is wait....
....and see
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I agree with both sides in this matter. I never want Auburn to fail in anything...period! I also feel like I am having a major case of deja vu. Haven't we heard this all before? I am taking a more wait and see approach, because frankly there is nothing else we can do about it. I hope Chizik is the second coming of a football god, but based on JJ's historical past of hiring coaches, the chances of that happening are not real good. Sure he has talked a good game, but I can run bullshit with the best of them, the buck stops when the pads meet the turf and so on that note all we can do is wait....
....and see
I agree. But one thing is for sure. Chizik has fire. He has intensity. It really seems like he wants to come in and win. Tubby had lost that. He is very competitive on the recruiting trail. Tubby had lost that. I have no clue if he is a good game day coach or not. Only time will tell. I think we had one of the best at getting the Auburn team to play excellent for that one game.
With that being said, I don't see anything...RIGHT NOW...that makes me think Auburn didn't hire the right guy. IF Chiz continues to build relationships with HS coaches and continues to hit recruiting hard., and IF Chiz will allow hiw OC to run the offense and not hand cuff him, and IF Chiz hires a good DC that meshes with his style of coaching on the defensive side, I think we may have a good thing.
If not, we have another version, or worse, of Tubby...
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Haven't we heard this all before?
I know you were talking about Chizik, but this question has been posed vis a vis Malzahn's spread offense as well. I was excited about Tony Franklin based only on what I'd read in bios and parsed from historical statistics. I had no knowledge of the man himself. I was wrong. Mea culpa.
Malzahn, however, is a known entity for anyone with a history of participating on Hog boards in the past few years. We've seen him talk and seen him perform. This guy is the real deal.
I understand the "once bitten, twice shy", "can't fool W again" mentality, but rest assured that Gus will impress you.
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I know you were talking about Chizik, but this question has been posed vis a vis Malzahn's spread offense as well. I was excited about Tony Franklin based only on what I'd read in bios and parsed from historical statistics. I had no knowledge of the man himself. I was wrong. Mea culpa.
Malzahn, however, is a known entity for anyone with a history of participating on Hog boards in the past few years. We've seen him talk and seen him perform. This guy is the real deal.
I understand the "once bitten, twice shy", "can't fool W again" mentality, but rest assured that Gus will impress you.
Don't get wrong Wes I am excited about the hire, especially over what we had been hearing (ie Pat Nix). I am just afraid to get too excited over anything based on historical past.
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Don't get wrong Wes I am excited about the hire, especially over what we had been hearing (ie Pat Nix). I am just afraid to get too excited over anything based on historical past.
Understandable.
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Don't get wrong Wes I am excited about the hire, especially over what we had been hearing (ie Pat Nix). I am just afraid to get too excited over anything based on historical past.
Wes can get you excited.
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Wes can get you excited.
My milkshake brings all the boys to the yard
And they're like "It's better than yours"
Damn right it's better than yours.
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My milkshake brings all the boys to the yard
And they're like "It's better than yours"
Damn right it's better than yours.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRvOEvjTSTI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRvOEvjTSTI)
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRvOEvjTSTI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRvOEvjTSTI)
I could teach you but I'd have to charge.
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I know you were talking about Chizik, but this question has been posed vis a vis Malzahn's spread offense as well. I was excited about Tony Franklin based only on what I'd read in bios and parsed from historical statistics. I had no knowledge of the man himself. I was wrong. Mea culpa.
Malzahn, however, is a known entity for anyone with a history of participating on Hog boards in the past few years. We've seen him talk and seen him perform. This guy is the real deal.
I understand the "once bitten, twice shy", "can't fool W again" mentality, but rest assured that Gus will impress you.
If yall don't want him, shitcan him now.
Some of yall are naysaying about the wrong dude. Gus will not hurt yall.
Is a greasyweasel an Alabama version of a Gerbil Launcher? Kaos occurs when it noses around the prostrate gland?
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Gus' offense isn't the spread. It's the Hurry Up No Huddle. You can run it with any type of offense. He ran it in his first year at Springdale out of the I formation, mostly running all the time. He switched to more of a spead offense when the talent to run that offense came to him.
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Swiped from StatTiger on ITAT (emphasis is mine):
2008 Tulsa Golden Hurricane Starting Offensive Lineup:
(This includes each player’s Scout.com recruiting rating)
WR: Jesse Meyer 6-4, 201 / Star Rating: 1
FL: AJ Whitmnore 5-9, 170 / Star Rating: 2
SE: Brennan Marion 6-1, 185 / Star Rating: 3
SE: Trae Johnson 5-11, 170 / Star Rating: 2
TE: Jake Collums 6-4, 242 / Star Rating: 1
LT: Tyler Holmes 6-3, 299 / Star Rating: 2
LG: Curt Puckett 6-4, 297 / Star Rating: 1
OC: Jody Whaley 6-4, 302 / Star Rating: 1
RG: Justin Morsey 6-2, 282 / Star Rating: 2
RT: Rodrick Thomas 6-5, 354 / Star Rating: 1
QB: David Johnson 6-3, 217 / Star Rating: 2
RB: Tarrion Adams 6-1, 210 / Star Rating: 1
RB: Jamad Williams 5-9, 193 / Star Rating: 1
FB: Charles Clay 6-3, 222 / Star Rating: 2
Average Rating of Tulsa’s offensive starters: 1.57 stars
Tarrion Adams (RB): In the past two seasons, Adams was the premier rusher for Malzahn’s offense. He rushed for 2541 yards and 19 TD’s in the last two seasons, averaging 5.68 yards per carry. [Remember, this kid was a 1 star recruit] He also had 50 receptions for 493 yards and 4 additional TD’s. Adams totaled 13 games of 100-yards or more, proving a big back can be successful in Malzahn’s offense.
Brennan Marion (SE): Marion was Tulsa’s highest rated player at 3-stars and was signed out of Junior College. He was an immediate impact player, catching 82 passes in the last two seasons for an eye-popping 2356 yards and 19 TD’s. Brennan Marion was the Golden Hurricane’s biggest playmaker, averaging 28.7 yards per reception.
David Johnson (QB): Johnson was only a 2-star recruit who served as a backup in Malzahn’s offense in 2007. As the starter in 2008. Johnson passed for 3866 yards and 43 TD’s. He completed 65% of his passes for an impressive 10.3 yards per pass attempt.
Charles Clay (FB): Clay was also a 2-star recruit, who scored 11 TD’s in 2008. Clay rushed for 145 yards on 25 carries but hauled in 36 passes for 471 yards and 9 TD’s. It’s good to know the FB position in Malzahn’s offense is utilized as an offensive weapon and not just a lead blocker.
Jake Collums (TE): Collums was initially signed by Tulsa as a 1-star WR recruit but was moved to TE. During this past season, Collum only caught 6 passes for 39 yards but 5 went for a touchdown. Sounds like the TE will be a factor in the red zone.
It would be easy to write off Malzahn’s success at Tulsa as competing against inferior teams and or talent. Though there is some truth to it, one must also consider the talent level Tulsa put on the field. As I already pointed out, the average recruiting rating of their starting offense was just 1.57 stars. Of the twelve teams currently in Conference-USA, Tulsa was 7th in recruiting over the past five years.
Average Recruiting Ranking (Conference-USA):
Southern Miss ………… 68.0
Houston ……………….. 74.2
East Carolina ………….. 77.2
Marshall ……………….. 79.4
Central Florida ………… 79.6
Memphis ………………. 80.6
Tulsa …………………... 84.0
Tulane …………………. 86.2
UAB …………………… 91.8
UTEP ………………….. 92.6
SMU …………………… 93.0
Rice …………………….. 101.6
Bottom line, Gus Malzahn was able to produce the better offensive numbers within his conference with below average recruits and it wasn’t even close, except for the University of Houston.
StatTiger Has A Lot Of Time On His Hands (http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=6&f=1010&t=3685614)
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I think StatTiger should start his own website. The guy is amazing IYAM.
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I think StatTiger should start his own website. The guy is amazing IYAM.
Agreed. The man comes up with some incredible stuff and it takes real creativity to take some of the angles he does. Not always the run of the mill stats.
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As the starter in 2008. Johnson passed for 3866 yards and 43 TD’s.
Damn, this dude outperformed our entire offense.
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Again. If yall want to start up a Gus haterz club, do so now.
Raise your hand and swear to it.
I want to see who eats it this time next year.
Yall got a good'un.
Greasy? Kaos?
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I'm on the Gus Bus and I'm riding this motherfucker to the end!
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I'm on the Gus Bus and I'm riding this motherfucker to the end!
This hire was the first ray of hope I have felt about next season.
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This hire was the first ray of hope I have felt about next season.
Speaking of which, are you and the coonass coming back for a game this year?
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Speaking of which, are you and the coonass coming back for a game this year?
We will be in Red Stick for the Auburn game. We usually only make it to Auburn every other year, so unless something changes we won't be in Auburn again til 2010. But you never know... especially if someone can cough up some free tickets!! :thumbsup:
Have a great 2009, hon!!
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We will be in Red Stick for the Auburn game. We usually only make it to Auburn every other year, so unless something changes we won't be in Auburn again til 2010. But you never know... especially if someone can cough up some free tickets!! :thumbsup:
Have a great 2009, hon!!
I'll get you some free tickets. Just say the word.
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I'll get you some free tickets. Just say the word.
WORD! :)
Oh, wait... what do I have to do to get them? I am a married woman you know...
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Just got back from a long vacation.
Let the record show that I was the one who told Kaos about AUUndercover and their lock-stepping bullshit when they banned me.
I was probably as negative as GreaseyWeasel at the time. Actually, on that site I know I was.
I agreed with him then, and have thus far been coaxed off the edge with some of Chizik's accomplishments so far. So we disagree now, but that doesn't mean I don't welcome here to bitch and debate to his heart's content.
It's what we do.
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Ahh.....BUMP!!!!
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If yall don't want him, shitcan him now.
Some of yall are naysaying about the wrong dude. Gus will not hurt yall.
Is a greasyweasel an Alabama version of a Gerbil Launcher? Kaos occurs when it noses around the prostrate gland?
This man's Pre-Med!
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I never heard no complaining about JimbO Fishuh, Bobby Petrino or Al Borges.
Who's this Gus feller that Nutt had to run out of town? He's just a high school coach. We run power here at Running Back U.
This ain't no place for no rookie with fancy ideas.
That Franklin guy would have made it too if he would have combed his hair and tucked his shirt in.
Unkempt Bastard!
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Folks I believe that despite wanting to feel good about it I can not escape the deep seated belief that we have fisted ourselves this time.
Digging is fun.
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Digging is fun.
Very true. Never know what treasures lie beneath.
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They're still shitty.
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Digging is fun.
Why doesn't anybody ever dig out the thread where everybody busted out the torches and pitchforks when Chizik was hired?
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Why doesn't anybody ever dig out the thread where everybody busted out the torches and pitchforks when Chizik was hired?
You're suppose to be locked up.
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I agree. But one thing is for sure. Chizik has fire. He has intensity. It really seems like he wants to come in and win. Tubby had lost that. He is very competitive on the recruiting trail. Tubby had lost that. I have no clue if he is a good game day coach or not. Only time will tell. I think we had one of the best at getting the Auburn team to play excellent for that one game.
With that being said, I don't see anything...RIGHT NOW...that makes me think Auburn didn't hire the right guy. IF Chiz continues to build relationships with HS coaches and continues to hit recruiting hard., and IF Chiz will allow hiw OC to run the offense and not hand cuff him, and IF Chiz hires a good DC that meshes with his style of coaching on the defensive side, I think we may have a good thing.
If not, we have another version, or worse, of Tubby...
I am a smart mother fucker...
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Why doesn't anybody ever dig out the thread where everybody busted out the torches and pitchforks when Chizik was hired?
If we can't find it, it didn't happen.
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If we can't find it, it didn't happen.
It's his dog.
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Classic Coach Chizik right here.
http://auburntigers.cstv.com/allaccess/?media=217926
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I am a smart mother fucker...
There were so many things dysfunctional about Tubs staff at the end. I hated it came to that, but it had, and it was time for the change. Biggest thing in regards to this OC Hire...Chiz let him run his offense. After that, it was a matter of having enough players to make it go. Some were left by Tubs, others recruited, or coached by this staff. Kodi Burns is a classic example of one of Tubs players...but one that was "made" by this staff. If he'd have been playing for Tubs, he'd either be under center of a .500 team, or on the bench. This staff gave him a shot to contribute, and had enough overall chemistry to help him fit in and do it at WR. We had 4 star WR recruits under Tubs and Co that didn't contribute as much as Burns has at WR. Hell, Chris Todd is another example of making the most of very little. A very avg QB, they made him a record setting QB at Auburn.
There's a lot right with this staff...and it's held together by Chiz...anyone that wants to give all the credit to Malzahn is a fool...Malzahn runs the offense...Chiz runs the program. Both work very well together.
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There were so many things dysfunctional about Tubs staff at the end. I hated it came to that, but it had, and it was time for the change. Biggest thing in regards to this OC Hire...Chiz let him run his offense. After that, it was a matter of having enough players to make it go. Some were left by Tubs, others recruited, or coached by this staff. Kodi Burns is a classic example of one of Tubs players...but one that was "made" by this staff. If he'd have been playing for Tubs, he'd either be under center of a .500 team, or on the bench. This staff gave him a shot to contribute, and had enough overall chemistry to help him fit in and do it at WR. We had 4 star WR recruits under Tubs and Co that didn't contribute as much as Burns has at WR. Hell, Chris Todd is another example of making the most of very little. A very avg QB, they made him a record setting QB at Auburn.
There's a lot right with this staff...and it's held together by Chiz...anyone that wants to give all the credit to Malzahn is a fool...Malzahn runs the offense...Chiz runs the program. Both work very well together.
I guess ol Mack Brown will be giving Ted Roof a call.
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I guess ol Mack Brown will be giving Ted Roof a call.
Not likely.
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Not likely.
Da skreets tell me Roof is just playin' possum and can coach circles around the previous DCs.