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Title: How Bad is the O Line?
Post by: wesfau2 on September 26, 2022, 09:55:41 AM
Tank had 66 YAC on Saturday.

His final stat line: 19 rushes...44 yards.
Title: Re: How Bad is the O Line?
Post by: GH2001 on September 26, 2022, 12:45:24 PM
hard to get ones head wrapped around that stat line.
Title: Re: How Bad is the O Line?
Post by: wesfau2 on September 26, 2022, 01:16:21 PM
hard to get ones head wrapped around that stat line.

Ball is snapped at the 20 yard line.

Tank is hit at the 18 and falls forward to the 20.

He has 2 YAC and 0 yds rushing.

Sorry...I think you meant the paltry production on nearly 20 carries.  Agreed.  Astounding.
Title: Re: How Bad is the O Line?
Post by: chinook on September 26, 2022, 01:22:33 PM
Ball is snapped at the 20 yard line.

Tank is hit at the 18 and falls forward to the 20.

He has 2 YAC and 0 yds rushing.

Sorry...I think you meant the paltry production on nearly 20 carries.  Agreed.  Astounding.

i was told there would be no math.

none of this should be a shock to anyone.  the first game proved to all what we've known for a long time. 

it'll only get worse as we play better teams.

did i tell anyone i celebrated with a $50 bottle of champagne and a $2.50 bag of chips?   
Title: Re: How Bad is the O Line?
Post by: GH2001 on September 26, 2022, 02:41:00 PM

Sorry...I think you meant the paltry production on nearly 20 carries.  Agreed.  Astounding.

Correct...it's hard to digest how it can happen. IT = all of that in the stat you posted. Takes a ton of "bad".

Tank should have left. I feel bad for him. We've let him go to waste.
Title: Re: How Bad is the O Line?
Post by: wesfau2 on September 26, 2022, 03:06:41 PM
Correct...it's hard to digest how it can happen. IT = all of that in the stat you posted. Takes a ton of "bad".

Tank should have left. I feel bad for him. We've let him go to waste.

I feel bad for the kid, but he saw this team and staff up close and personal and bought in.  Hell, his was part of the base of my own optimism for this season.
Title: Re: How Bad is the O Line?
Post by: Snaggletiger on September 26, 2022, 03:47:32 PM
I'm not too worried where Tank is concerned.  NFL scouts know if a guy can ball, regardless of his production, or lack thereof in college.  I can name quite a few guys that have/had nice careers in the league despite a dumbass, armchair QB like myself thinking there's no way that guy has a chance.  Start with Neiko Torched.  Brandon King?  Hell, he barely played at Auburn. 

Remember an offensive lineman who transferred in from cough cough....UMass in 2019?  Jack Driscoll, ladies and gentlemen.  He's still with the Philadelphia Eagles.  He started last year.  Don't know if he's still a starter this year.

King "Turnstile Dunlap?

 
Title: Re: How Bad is the O Line?
Post by: Snaggletiger on September 26, 2022, 04:09:39 PM
Speaking of O-linemen, Tate Johnson is out 6-8 weeks.  Will have surgery on his elbow he injured in Saturday's game.

Anybody seen Nick Brahms?  Did something happen to him? 

Tee Jay will practice this week, but like Gus always said, "We'll know more by the end of the week."
Title: Re: How Bad is the O Line?
Post by: wesfau2 on September 26, 2022, 05:11:12 PM

Anybody seen Nick Brahms?  Did something happen to him? 

You serious, Clark?
Title: Re: How Bad is the O Line?
Post by: Snaggletiger on September 26, 2022, 05:17:25 PM
You serious, Clark?

If something happened to him, that news flew right over my head.
Title: Re: How Bad is the O Line?
Post by: wesfau2 on September 26, 2022, 05:27:01 PM
If something happened to him, that news flew right over my head.

Yeah, well...with you it's hard to tell sometimes.
Title: Re: How Bad is the O Line?
Post by: Snaggletiger on September 26, 2022, 05:35:50 PM
Yeah, well...with you it's hard to tell sometimes.

I just figured his status was up in the air.
Title: Re: How Bad is the O Line?
Post by: WiregrassTiger on September 26, 2022, 07:12:38 PM
You serious, Clark?
You are seriously asking if he’s serious?

Seriously? Yes he’s serious. He doesn’t have a fucking clue. He still thinks Ben Tamburello is on the 3 deep.
 :facepalm: :facepalm:
Title: Re: How Bad is the O Line?
Post by: GH2001 on September 27, 2022, 08:24:27 AM
If something happened to him, that news flew right over my head.

Time for a new joke. You’re treading into wiregrass territory.
Title: Re: How Bad is the O Line?
Post by: wesfau2 on September 27, 2022, 09:56:59 AM
More statistical salt in the OL wound:  42.2% of AU's run plays went for 0 or fewer yards.

https://twitter.com/NathanKing247/status/1574753688371040257
Title: Re: How Bad is the O Line?
Post by: Buzz Killington on September 27, 2022, 10:01:42 AM
More statistical salt in the OL wound:  42.2% of AU's run plays went for 0 or fewer yards.

https://twitter.com/NathanKing247/status/1574753688371040257
Perfectly justifies the lack of OL recruiting last year by Braman Hairlip.
Title: Re: How Bad is the O Line?
Post by: WiregrassTiger on September 27, 2022, 10:42:50 AM
Time for a new joke. You’re treading into wiregrass territory.
how about yo mama? She likes to tread there.
Title: Re: How Bad is the O Line?
Post by: Snaggletiger on September 27, 2022, 10:50:16 AM
how about yo mama? She likes to tread there.

Yo mama' so stupid, if she spoke her mind, she'd be speechless.
Title: Re: How Bad is the O Line?
Post by: WiregrassTiger on September 27, 2022, 10:53:28 AM
Yo mama' so stupid, if she spoke her mind, she'd be speechless.
Yo mama is so stupid when the teacher told her to do an essay, she fucked a Mexican.
Title: Re: How Bad is the O Line?
Post by: Kaos on September 27, 2022, 02:43:48 PM
If this OL was a piece of toast it would be the soggy scrap you find in the bottom of your cereal bowl after dunking it and thinking you had eaten it all. 
Title: Re: How Bad is the O Line?
Post by: dallaswareagle on September 28, 2022, 04:08:13 PM

King "Turnstile Dunlap?

From the Nelson club level Oct 2006 Arky game, I saw the Arky defense throw him around like a rag doll.

Auburn ranked 2nd in the nation, played they were scared.  1st game I left ever left early, 2012 A&M game the other one.
Title: Re: How Bad is the O Line?
Post by: GH2001 on September 28, 2022, 06:02:59 PM
From the Nelson club level Oct 2006 Arky game, I saw the Arky defense throw him around like a rag doll.

Auburn ranked 2nd in the nation, played they were scared.  1st game I left ever left early, 2012 A&M game the other one.

Those were some keen seats but not exactly priced for the common man.
Title: Re: How Bad is the O Line?
Post by: dallaswareagle on September 29, 2022, 12:56:59 PM
Those were some keen seats but not exactly priced for the common man.

Not sure how we got them, my dad at the time knew people still in Opelika. They were super keen, the game was not.
Title: Re: How Bad is the O Line?
Post by: bottomfeeder on October 02, 2022, 08:11:57 PM
I guess yesterday's game pretty much answer that question.
Title: Re: How Bad is the O Line?
Post by: GH2001 on October 03, 2022, 12:24:02 PM
I guess yesterday's game pretty much answer that question.

It actually graded out decently. Their best game this year. I'd certainly blame coaching, decisions and scheme more than the OL.
Title: Re: How Bad is the O Line?
Post by: Buzz Killington on October 03, 2022, 12:37:20 PM
It actually graded out decently. Their best game this year. I'd certainly blame coaching, decisions and scheme more than the OL.
I'm not even sure you can blame scheme.  I thought the gameplan (on offense especially) was about as good as it could be.  Stupid decisions like using your timeouts before the half when LSU was content to run out the clock and allowing their second TD and like going for it on 4th and 10 with the lead should get like 85% of the blame.
Title: Re: How Bad is the O Line?
Post by: CCTAU on October 03, 2022, 01:58:56 PM
I'm not even sure you can blame scheme.  I thought the gameplan (on offense especially) was about as good as it could be.  Stupid decisions like using your timeouts before the half when LSU was content to run out the clock and allowing their second TD and like going for it on 4th and 10 with the lead should get like 85% of the blame.

That's an easy decision unless your FG kicker has already missed a chip shot. He should have tried to freshman. Legafraud is not getting it done.
Title: Re: How Bad is the O Line?
Post by: dallaswareagle on October 03, 2022, 02:06:41 PM
I'd certainly blame coaching, decisions

Seems to be a recurring theme with this coaching staff.
Title: Re: How Bad is the O Line?
Post by: Snaggletiger on October 03, 2022, 02:59:21 PM
I thought there were times when the O-line looked pretty damn good in the run game.  There were several times they were pushing guys downfield 4-5 yards. 

As much as Halpinz said they were committed to the run this year, wouldn't it make sense with an athlete like Askfurd to work in a lot more option? The couple of times he did run a bit of an option play, it was successful.  I know one run where he kept it went for big yardage.   
Title: Re: How Bad is the O Line?
Post by: CCTAU on October 03, 2022, 03:05:23 PM
I thought there were times when the O-line looked pretty damn good in the run game.  There were several times they were pushing guys downfield 4-5 yards. 
This is true. Btu then they would bring an extra guy into the box and stuff the run at the line. WE don;t have the line to handle an extra guy. And any coach will tell you, if you don't have a superior line, when they drop 8 in the box, you throw over them. But we don't seem to have the TE plays to quick pass and back them off. If I were a TE at AU, I'd be out of there.
Title: Re: How Bad is the O Line?
Post by: Snaggletiger on October 03, 2022, 03:24:14 PM
This is true. Btu then they would bring an extra guy into the box and stuff the run at the line. WE don;t have the line to handle an extra guy. And any coach will tell you, if you don't have a superior line, when they drop 8 in the box, you throw over them. But we don't seem to have the TE plays to quick pass and back them off. If I were a TE at AU, I'd be out of there.

The TE's had 4 catches for 77 yards Saturday.  I think it was Fromm who dropped one pass, and there was another pass that was intended for John Michael Samuel David Thomas Lenny Shenker on a blitz.  Unfortunately, Askfurd couldn't get it over the guy coming up the middle.  Would have been a nice play, and good read by Ashford and Shenker.

But overall, using the TE more would only help all other aspects of the offense.  in 5 games, the TE room has 17 total receptions.  Get it to them 6-7 times a game, and you open so much more, and cut down on some of the blitzing.

Title: Re: How Bad is the O Line?
Post by: GH2001 on October 03, 2022, 03:39:16 PM
That's an easy decision unless your FG kicker has already missed a chip shot. He should have tried to freshman. Legafraud is not getting it done.

Correct....another bad decision. Not sure how much potato boy has to see to make adjustments or changes.
Title: Re: How Bad is the O Line?
Post by: Snaggletiger on October 03, 2022, 04:38:19 PM
Speaking of adjustments, just read of some changes in personnel.  A lot of it the way we wound up by the end of the LSU game.  With Eku out, they'll go with a 4 man front, with just one edge rusher. Marcus Bragg, who I thought played well, will be the back up to Colby Wooden.

On offense, Council will be at center, (Did something happen to Brahms?) with Stutts at left guard and Alec Jackson at right guard.  Either Keiondre Jones is nicked up, or they've determined there is just too much suckage in his play.  He was the full time starter at guard last year.
Title: Re: How Bad is the O Line?
Post by: WiregrassTiger on October 03, 2022, 04:53:04 PM
Speaking of adjustments, just read of some changes in personnel.  A lot of it the way we wound up by the end of the LSU game.  With Eku out, they'll go with a 4 man front, with just one edge rusher. Marcus Bragg, who I thought played well, will be the back up to Colby Wooden.

On offense, Council will be at center, (Did something happen to Brahms?) with Stutts at left guard and Alec Jackson at right guard.  Either Keiondre Jones is nicked up, or they've determined there is just too much suckage in his play.  He was the full time starter at guard last year.
Leota hurt his pecker.
Title: Re: How Bad is the O Line?
Post by: CCTAU on October 03, 2022, 06:20:12 PM
The TE's had 4 catches for 77 yards Saturday.  I think it was Fromm who dropped one pass, and there was another pass that was intended for John Michael Samuel David Thomas Lenny Shenker on a blitz.  Unfortunately, Askfurd couldn't get it over the guy coming up the middle.  Would have been a nice play, and good read by Ashford and Shenker.

But overall, using the TE more would only help all other aspects of the offense.  in 5 games, the TE room has 17 total receptions.  Get it to them 6-7 times a game, and you open so much more, and cut down on some of the blitzing.

That was my point. If you consistently throw to the TE, the LBs won’t just pin their ears back. However, the long pass to Fromm should be a one off. The TEs should be all up in the LBs area catching short passes. Keeping them honest.
Title: Re: How Bad is the O Line?
Post by: GH2001 on October 03, 2022, 08:32:34 PM
That was my point. If you consistently throw to the TE, the LBs won’t just pin their ears back. However, the long pass to Fromm should be a one off. The TEs should be all up in the LBs area catching short passes. Keeping them honest.

Yupppp
Title: Re: How Bad is the O Line?
Post by: Snaggletiger on October 04, 2022, 08:03:29 AM
Yupppp

It’s like he says it, then I say the same thing a different way, then he says that’s what he was saying, and then you say yupppp.
Title: Re: How Bad is the O Line?
Post by: Buzz Killington on October 04, 2022, 10:17:29 AM
That's an easy decision unless your FG kicker has already missed a chip shot. He should have tried to freshman. Legafraud is not getting it done.

Agreed, but if you are afraid to use the freshman there even...just take a delay and punt it inside the 20.  Why give them momentum after a turnover on downs?
Title: Re: How Bad is the O Line?
Post by: GH2001 on October 04, 2022, 10:20:40 AM
It’s like he says it, then I say the same thing a different way, then he says that’s what he was saying, and then you say yupppp.

Last in, first reply. EARLY BIRD DONT GET THE WORM.
Title: Re: How Bad is the O Line?
Post by: Snaggletiger on October 04, 2022, 10:35:34 AM
Last in, first reply. EARLY BIRD DONT GET THE WORM.

You love the worm.
Title: Re: How Bad is the O Line?
Post by: Buzz Killington on October 04, 2022, 12:18:27 PM
You love the worm.
Florida Evans looking motherfucker
Title: Re: How Bad is the O Line?
Post by: AUJarhead on October 04, 2022, 12:22:56 PM
Fuck Georgia.
Title: Re: How Bad is the O Line?
Post by: Kaos on October 04, 2022, 12:23:08 PM
Florida Evans looking motherfucker

Now, James!
Title: Re: How Bad is the O Line?
Post by: Snaggletiger on October 04, 2022, 02:31:12 PM
Now, James!

That reminds me.  I need to call now, and see if I can get some extra Medicare benefits.
Title: Re: How Bad is the O Line?
Post by: AUTiger1 on October 06, 2022, 02:53:38 PM
That reminds me.  I need to call now, and see if I can get some extra Medicare benefits.

I forgot that you are old enough to start drawing your benefits after this last Bday.
Title: Re: How Bad is the O Line?
Post by: Snaggletiger on October 06, 2022, 03:37:34 PM
I forgot that you are old enough to start drawing your benefits after this last Bday.

You just shut up, okay?










Too harsh?
Title: Re: How Bad is the O Line?
Post by: AUTiger1 on October 07, 2022, 11:27:57 AM
You just shut up, okay?










Too harsh?

What, you not gonna cut a bitch?
Title: Re: How Bad is the O Line?
Post by: Kaos on October 09, 2022, 12:28:57 PM
After seeing this from Saturday, I'm less inclined to shit on the offensive line.  It might be decent, but we will never, ever know. 

Scenario:
Georgia rushing four.   AU has six men in the box and Bigsby in the backfield. 
One of the UGA defenders backs out and does nothing so in reality, the Bulldogs only send three against a six-man front with a RB adding reinforcement. Should be an easy win for the AU offensive line.  But WAIT.... there's more.

Bigsby, Deal and Zierer all converge on the same guy on the left.   Three on one!  Amazing. 

Troxell clears his guy on the right solo. Ok,with two accounted for so that still leaves three guys to handle one.  Numbers favor AU. 

But WAIT!  There's more.

Council, Jackson and Stutts all stand up and look around.  Jackson steps left - into Council - leaving a 42-foot wide gap for a free UGA rusher to beeline for the QB.  Council sees it after the fact and sort of lunges at the back of the defender, a futile effort as the play is already blown up. 

Less than two seconds after the snap, Ashford is scrambling.  He's barely got the ball in his hands before a lineman is in his face. Three against seven and UGA wins easily. 

That's not a talent issue. It's not an effort issue.  It's not being coached properly.  It's as bad as anything I've ever seen.

https://twitter.com/torresonauburn/status/1578836835551567872?s=21
Title: Re: How Bad is the O Line?
Post by: Snaggletiger on October 10, 2022, 10:15:10 AM
Let me start the piling on.  I’m actually looking forward to Tee Jay coming back, if in fact, he does.  Assford is epically bad.  Beyond belief bad.  I believe it was Rick Neuheisel doing color for the game.  Doesn’t matter if you like him or not as a commentator.  He was spot on, and being very nice about it.  95% of Ashford’s throws were 95 m.p.h. fast balls, and way off target as well.  And I totally understand that he was getting pressure all day.  But sometimes, you have to step up in the pocket, or side step a rusher.  Nope, he took off like a scared rabbit, straight for the sidelines every time.  And guess what? With all that pressure, he wasn’t sacked one time, Saturday.  Not that I want him to get sacked, but occasionally you have to stand in and try and deliver the ball. The guy was 13-38.  That’s 34%.  For the season, he’s 59-123.  Even though I was told there would be no math, that’s under 50%.  Even Fetal Mosely was over 62% for his illustrious career. 

In fairness to the staff, I thought the play calling was pretty decent overall.  I thought they had a good mixture of runs, short passes and some deep patterns thrown in.  But when your QB can’t even hold on to the ball when he’s not even touched….when he can’t hit a wide open receiver 10 yards in front of him….when he immediately bails at the first hint of pressure….you have no chance.  I know we have no other options right now.  Two injured QB’s and a true freshman that’s obviously nowhere near ready to play.  But damn, Ashford is as bad as anything I’ve seen on the field for Auburn.  I hope the light comes on for the kid.  I hope the game slows down for him.  But right now…..yeeeeeeesh! 
Title: Re: How Bad is the O Line?
Post by: wesfau2 on October 10, 2022, 11:30:46 AM


In fairness to the staff, I thought the play calling was pretty decent overall. 

Fuck the staff and any fairness towards them.  We were holding our own, playing field position...and they called a FUCKING FAKE PUNT FROM OUR OWN 34?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!??!?!

That's some pee-wee level shit.  Fuck these Mountain West Mouthbreathers.
Title: Re: How Bad is the O Line?
Post by: Snaggletiger on October 10, 2022, 11:36:50 AM
Fuck the staff and any fairness towards them.  We were holding our own, playing field position...and they called a FUCKING FAKE PUNT FROM OUR OWN 34?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!??!?!

That's some pee-wee level shit.  Fuck these Mountain West Mouthbreathers.

Okay, so there WAS that. 

That just further solidified the fact that he knows he's gone.  The going for it last week on both 4th and 10, and 4th and 15, along with Saturday's fake punt, was Havrinz' big, "Fuck you, I'ma do what I want."

The question is, why isn't he gone yet?
Title: Re: How Bad is the O Line?
Post by: Buzz Killington on October 10, 2022, 02:05:50 PM
Okay, so there WAS that. 

That just further solidified the fact that he knows he's gone.  The going for it last week on both 4th and 10, and 4th and 15, along with Saturday's fake punt, was Havrinz' big, "Fuck you, I'ma do what I want."

The question is, why isn't he gone yet?
Before any of those, going for a 4th and 2 against Mizzou instead of kicking the field goal...then giving the ball to the back that's 10 FUCKING YARDS behind the line only to lose a yard did it for me.
Title: Re: How Bad is the O Line?
Post by: Snaggletiger on October 10, 2022, 02:20:43 PM
Before any of those, going for a 4th and 2 against Mizzou instead of kicking the field goal...then giving the ball to the back that's 10 FUCKING YARDS behind the line only to lose a yard did it for me.

Yeah, but before that, his decision to go for it in his own territory against South Carolina, and take Tank out of the game. So he did it for me long before he did it for you.  Don't try and one up me.
Title: Re: How Bad is the O Line?
Post by: GH2001 on October 10, 2022, 03:06:30 PM
Fuck the staff and any fairness towards them.  We were holding our own, playing field position...and they called a FUCKING FAKE PUNT FROM OUR OWN 34?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!??!?!

That's some pee-wee level shit.  Fuck these Mountain West Mouthbreathers.

You’re so sexy when you’re right.
Title: Re: How Bad is the O Line?
Post by: GH2001 on October 10, 2022, 03:08:46 PM
Yeah, but before that, his decision to go for it in his own territory against South Carolina, and take Tank out of the game. So he did it for me long before he did it for you.  Don't try and one up me.

The coaching head scratcher calls really go back to mid season last year. None of this should be a surprise. It’s not new.
Title: Re: How Bad is the O Line?
Post by: Buzz Killington on October 10, 2022, 03:34:15 PM
Yeah, but before that, his decision to go for it in his own territory against South Carolina, and take Tank out of the game. So he did it for me long before he did it for you.  Don't try and one up me.

Yeah, but before that when he decided on potato pancakes for breakfast when he could have just had that Chick-Fil-A biscuit.  That's when I knew for sure he wasn't the guy.  GH can attest.
Title: Re: How Bad is the O Line?
Post by: Snaggletiger on October 10, 2022, 03:38:26 PM
Yeah, but before that when he decided on potato pancakes for breakfast when he could have just had that Chick-Fil-A biscuit.  That's when I knew for sure he wasn't the guy.  GH can attest.

Okay, you may have me there.  I didn't know until Sakerlina.
Title: Re: How Bad is the O Line?
Post by: GH2001 on October 11, 2022, 09:28:08 AM
Yeah, but before that when he decided on potato pancakes for breakfast when he could have just had that Chick-Fil-A biscuit.  That's when I knew for sure he wasn't the guy.  GH can attest.

some sins are just unforgivable.