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Title: Oh Gus...
Post by: Kaos on July 18, 2019, 07:32:53 PM
Oh Gus.  We never knew.  

From today's press conference: 

"Our philosophy is run the football and throw it deep."

You think?  Dive, dive, heave. Punt.  Dive, dive, heave. Punt.  

I believe we've seen that movie before. Sometimes it works (Nick, Cam).  A lot of times it doesn't.  

This really does not swell my weenus with confidence.  



Title: Re: Oh Gus...
Post by: The Six on July 19, 2019, 07:37:43 AM
I expected no less and was rewarded with Gus talking mass amounts of shoot at a summer press conference where half the press had already left to follow the "rock stars" out the door the day prior.

Auburn's offense will look like every other offense he's had outside of 2010 (when he was OC) and 2013 (when he was still hungry). He knows the university is in bad financial shape (thanks Presidolt Leath) and he's safe for at least a couple years. No one is going to uncover him banging two Tiger Paws on a coke binge after all. And $7 mil a year buys a lot of hash browns. Just like those, the offense and this team will mostly be smothered, covered, and diced. Defense is loaded with talent and will keep the group afloat until they run out of gas around week 8 and injuries mount. 

Take in a big whiff. That's the smell of 7-5. #JABA
Title: Re: Oh Gus...
Post by: AUJarhead on July 19, 2019, 08:43:28 AM
Take in a big whiff. That's the smell of 7-5. #JABA
Wish I shared your optimism. 
Title: Re: Oh Gus...
Post by: The Six on July 19, 2019, 08:44:36 AM
Wish I shared your optimism.
That's me hoping the defense is enough to get by seven teams.  It could be much worse but it won't matter. Auburn is broke (relatively) and Gus is safe as a Clinton from investigation. 
Title: Re: Oh Gus...
Post by: GH2001 on July 19, 2019, 08:53:40 AM
That's me hoping the defense is enough to get by seven teams.  It could be much worse but it won't matter. Auburn is broke (relatively) and Gus is safe as a Clinton from investigation.
Teflon Gus. Minus the body count list. 
Title: Re: Oh Gus...
Post by: AUJarhead on July 19, 2019, 08:58:54 AM
That's me hoping the defense is enough to get by seven teams.  It could be much worse but it won't matter. Auburn is broke (relatively) and Gus is safe as a Clinton from investigation.
You’re right. In my guesses of how the season will unfold, I’ve not been giving our defense enough credit. They are good enough to keep us in every game.  I just keep going back to the QB position, and I don’t believe we have a coach capable of getting more than 6 wins out of a QB he’s recruited out of high school. 
Title: Re: Oh Gus...
Post by: Buzz Killington on July 19, 2019, 09:00:12 AM
But you can't hold Gus responsible for the play of a few, sick twisted individuals over the last 5 seasons. For if you do, then shouldn't we blame the whole college football system? And if the whole system is guilty, then isn't this an indictment of our educational institutions in general? I put it to you, Greg - isn't this an indictment of our entire American society? Well, you can do whatever you want to us, but we're not going to sit here and listen to you badmouth the United States of America. 

Gentlemen!
Title: Re: Oh Gus...
Post by: Snaggletiger on July 19, 2019, 09:55:29 AM
Captain Obviously, the QB and play calling are the keys.  When you consider the fact that our schedule is in the top 2 or 3 of the gawtdamn tough category, you also have to take into account that we're coming into it with zero experience at QB and this little nugget:

Oregon, LSU, Florida, Texas A&M, FUGA & Bama all have returning starters at the position.

Title: Re: Oh Gus...
Post by: Kaos on July 19, 2019, 11:15:32 AM
Captain Obviously, the QB and play calling are the keys.  When you consider the fact that our schedule is in the top 2 or 3 of the gawtdamn tough category, you also have to take into account that we're coming into it with zero experience at QB and this little nugget:

Oregon, LSU, Florida, Texas A&M, FUGA & Bama all have returning starters at the position.
Tupperware Tonsilitis wasn't first team All American.  

I demand an investigation. 
Title: Re: Oh Gus...
Post by: Buzz Killington on July 19, 2019, 11:23:09 AM
Would 5-7 be enough to make the PTB say fuck the buyout, he gone? Or would it take a replay of 2012?
Title: Re: Oh Gus...
Post by: Snaggletiger on July 19, 2019, 12:30:31 PM
Would 5-7 be enough to make the PTB say fuck the buyout, he gone? Or would it take a replay of 2012?
Hard to say.  It's basically the same bunch that rewarded him with the massive contract/buyout for briefly stepping out of mediocrity. 
Title: Re: Oh Gus...
Post by: Kaos on July 19, 2019, 01:35:00 PM
Hard to say.  It's basically the same bunch that rewarded him with the massive contract/buyout for briefly stepping out of mediocrity.
It kind of depends on who we are or think we are.  

Unless you are cheating at the level and with the impunity Alabama does it’s simply unrealistic to expect to win championships and go undefeated every year. 

I got title fever like everybody else did between 2010 and 2013.  

What should we truly expect?  This is what I think. 

1) Be competitive.  That means maintaining superiority over teams like Ole Miss, MSU, Arky, KY, SC, UT, Zoo, A&M, Vanderbilt.  It means holding your own against Bama, UGA, LSU, UF. Not win every year but keep it fairly even.  Current grade? C -  

2) Recruit well. That means winning some battles. It doesn’t mean getting constantly punked on signing day.  Current grade? B. 

3) Make better players. Part of it is taking guys and through discipline, training and practice making better players. Current grade? D 

4) Have a plan. Plan for injuries, replacements, strategy. Long term vision.  Current grade? F. 

5) Win games. Not reasonable to expect to win all. Win the ones you should and be competitive in the rest. Current grade? C. 

Should he go if AU isn’t 8-5 or better? Only if he continues to display the same maddening lack of professional growth. Sadly? That’s exactly what i expect.  I don’t think he’s ever learned anything 
Title: Re: Oh Gus...
Post by: Snaggletiger on July 19, 2019, 03:10:34 PM
It kind of depends on who we are or think we are. 

Unless you are cheating at the level and with the impunity Alabama does it’s simply unrealistic to expect to win championships and go undefeated every year.

I got title fever like everybody else did between 2010 and 2013. 

What should we truly expect?  This is what I think.

1) Be competitive.  That means maintaining superiority over teams like Ole Miss, MSU, Arky, KY, SC, UT, Zoo, A&M, Vanderbilt.  It means holding your own against Bama, UGA, LSU, UF. Not win every year but keep it fairly even.  Current grade? C - 

2) Recruit well. That means winning some battles. It doesn’t mean getting constantly punked on signing day.  Current grade? B.

3) Make better players. Part of it is taking guys and through discipline, training and practice making better players. Current grade? D

4) Have a plan. Plan for injuries, replacements, strategy. Long term vision.  Current grade? F.

5) Win games. Not reasonable to expect to win all. Win the ones you should and be competitive in the rest. Current grade? C.

Should he go if AU isn’t 8-5 or better? Only if he continues to display the same maddening lack of professional growth. Sadly? That’s exactly what i expect.  I don’t think he’s ever learned anything
Agree with all that except I may go a little higher on the grade for recruiting.  He's always been right at the top 10 and the guys we get punked on are getting flipped by schools doing shit we apparently just aren't willing to do.  George Pickens is the most recent example.  The recruiting is fine, the development...not so much.

To expand on the last point, that's my biggest beef with Malzahn and the reason he lost me several years ago.  I honestly think the guy doesn't know what he wants to do almost from game to game.  How many times has he taken over and given up the play calling duties?  How many times has he "given it up" and then it's crystal clear that he's inserted himself right back in it?  He's the offensive guru who wrote the book, but fast forward from 2009 to 2019 and his offense looks nothing like the one that Chris Todd ran.  

I can single out two games that say it all for me.  Obviously, the 12 quarterback, double whirly-bird game against Clemson. No need to relive that.  The second is the year before last at LSU.  Up what, 19-3?  And had them totally on the ropes.  They had no idea what was coming.  Masterful play calling.  If you recall, Gus wasn't supposed to be calling the plays.  Then, he took over.  Was it 16 straight times up the middle on first down.  Even the announcers were saying you have to be a little more innovative than twice up the middle and throw long. 

Those are just a couple of prime examples to me of his lack of confidence, development or whatever you want to call it.  What I could easily see happening, as has happened before on more than one occasion, is if the season doesn't start well, he turns the offense over to Dilly Dilly.  That way, he has a scapegoat at the end of a 5-7 season.    

  
Title: Re: Oh Gus...
Post by: chinook on August 01, 2019, 11:17:18 PM
Gus will probably go 11-1 ...sign an extension and go 5-7, 7-5 and 6-6.  It’s a circle of hell Dante didn’t write about.  
Title: Re: Oh Gus...
Post by: The Six on August 02, 2019, 07:45:51 AM
Gus will probably go 11-1 ...sign an extension and go 5-7, 7-5 and 6-6.  It’s a circle of hell Dante didn’t write about. 
To be honest, what's the other option? Fire Gus, pay his buyout along with the assistants. Then, go hire Matt Campbell at Iowa State (continuing the university's whorey relationship with that school) or Josh Heupel at UCF or Pastor Hugh Freeze at Liberty. Watch that person continue to cultivate the talent Auburn usually gets, squeeze out a 10 win season in between the 6s, 7s, 8s. All the while, Clemson, Alabama, and fudgeGeorgia trade playoff titles. Saban finally retires (or spontaneously combusts) and the person who follows him Larry Cokers into another title. Also, if we hire Bro. Freeze, expect the NCAA colonoscopy straightway.

:suicide:

Title: Re: Oh Gus...
Post by: djsimp on August 03, 2019, 11:46:07 AM
Gus will probably go 11-1 ...sign an extension and go 5-7, 7-5 and 6-6.  It’s a circle of hell Dante didn’t write about. 
This^^^^^
Title: Re: Oh Gus...
Post by: bottomfeeder on August 03, 2019, 01:54:42 PM
He supports my opinion on the subject.

https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/auburn-football/kerryon-johnson-predicts-auburn-will-win-2019-national-championship/


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Kerryon Johnson predicts Auburn will win 2019 national championship
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Former Auburn RB Kerryon Johnson is high on his alma mater heading into the 2019 campaign. Johnson tweeted Saturday morning that he believes the Tigers will win it all this season.

“With the start of camp yesterday i just want everyone to know @AuburnFootball will be winning the Natty this year…alright proceed with your morning,” Johnson wrote to his nearly 72,000 Twitter followers.

The former AU standout’s optimism will certainly be appreciated on the Plains, even if conventional wisdom says it’s difficult for a team with a freshman starting quarterback to win the national championship. That said, we’ve recently seen Trevor Lawrence and Jameis Winston (sorry, Tigers) accomplish the tall task, so maybe Joey Gatewood or Bo Nix will prove Johnson right and join that exclusive club.

If you agree with Johnson that Auburn is in for a special 2019, you could be in for a big payday. Las Vegas currently has Auburn at 50/1 odds to win it all, per Vegas Insider (http://www.vegasinsider.com/college-football/odds/futures/). The Tigers’ odds would probably be better if Johnson was still on the team, but Malzahn says he likes what he has seen this offseason from running backs Boobee Whitlow, Kam Martin and D.J. Williams.

Title: Re: Oh Gus...
Post by: Godfather on August 05, 2019, 10:53:38 AM
He supports my opinion on the subject.

https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/auburn-football/kerryon-johnson-predicts-auburn-will-win-2019-national-championship/
Am I the only one that thinks 50/1 sounds high.
Title: Re: Oh Gus...
Post by: Buzz Killington on August 05, 2019, 11:04:27 AM
You misspelled low
Title: Re: Oh Gus...
Post by: Godfather on August 05, 2019, 11:17:22 AM
You misspelled low
Is it though? I was actually thinking more like 200/1 (is that higher or lower? when it comes to odds) I was thinking that those are lower odds no? ...so therefore 50/1 would be high?  Right?
Title: Re: Oh Gus...
Post by: Snaggletiger on August 05, 2019, 11:18:25 AM
I was told there would be no math.
Title: Re: Oh Gus...
Post by: wesfau2 on August 05, 2019, 11:25:59 AM
Is it though? I was actually thinking more like 200/1 (is that higher or lower? when it comes to odds) I was thinking that those are lower odds no? ...so therefore 50/1 would be high?  Right?
200/1 is higher odds...with a lower probability of winning.
Title: Re: Oh Gus...
Post by: Godfather on August 05, 2019, 11:47:36 AM
200/1 is higher odds...with a lower probability of winning.
Ok then


am I the only one that thinks 50/1 sounds low?
Title: Re: Oh Gus...
Post by: Buzz Killington on August 05, 2019, 11:49:41 AM
Ok then


am I the only one that thinks 50/1 sounds low?
You misspelled...oh wait.
Title: Re: Oh Gus...
Post by: wesfau2 on August 05, 2019, 12:02:28 PM
Ok then


am I the only one that thinks 50/1 sounds low?

Things get convoluted in a probability discussion...especially in a football discussion with so many non-empirical factors (ie - the Committee)...but no, I don't think that sounds low.

We were 65-1 in 2010, with plenty of uncertainty around the QB position and a statistically much worse defense.
Title: Re: Oh Gus...
Post by: Snaggletiger on August 05, 2019, 12:14:58 PM
Things get convoluted in a probability discussion...especially in a football discussion with so many non-empirical factors (ie - the Committee)...but no, I don't think that sounds low.

We were 65-1 in 2010, with plenty of uncertainty around the QB position and a statistically much worse defense.
I remember thinking before the season that we should be a little better than 2009 because this Newton fella' can probably run better than Chris Todd could.
Title: Re: Oh Gus...
Post by: wesfau2 on August 05, 2019, 12:18:21 PM
I remember thinking before the season that we should be a little better than 2009 because this Newton fella' can probably run better than Chris Todd could.
So, with your logic, this Gatewood fella should make us a little better than 2018, no?
Title: Re: Oh Gus...
Post by: Snaggletiger on August 05, 2019, 12:23:00 PM
So, with your logic, this Gatewood fella should make us a little better than 2018, no?
I don't have nearly the faith in this guy as I did Newton.

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Title: Re: Oh Gus...
Post by: wesfau2 on August 05, 2019, 12:42:55 PM
I don't have nearly the faith in this guy as I did Newton.

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He throws a hella house party, yo.

Seriously, what gave you more faith in Cammy Cam?  His illustrious career at UF?  JUCO stats get you moist?

I'm not suggesting that JG is the second coming, but he (and Nix) have potential to be great.
Title: Re: Oh Gus...
Post by: Snaggletiger on August 05, 2019, 03:02:17 PM
He throws a hella house party, yo.

Seriously, what gave you more faith in Cammy Cam?  His illustrious career at UF?  JUCO stats get you moist?

I'm not suggesting that JG is the second coming, but he (and Nix) have potential to be great.
I recall coming into the 2010 season hoping that Cam could throw it on Chris Todd's level.  I think everyone knew he'd be a serious upgrade in the run department compared to the sloth footed Todd, and my thoughts were that if he could spin it anywhere near the way CT could, we had a chance to be pretty good.  Checking back on the 2009 stats, Todd threw for 2,600 yards, 22 TD's and 6 Int's.  Very comparable to Jason Campbell in 04'.  If Cam could come near that and add his athleticism to the run game, we had a little sumpn'.  I never even remotely envisioned what he turned out to be.

I can agree with potential for Gatewood in the area of athleticism.  I haven't seen him do anything that makes me moist about anything else.  Don't get me wrong, if he wins the job, I'll be pulling as hard for him as anybody.  But he couldn't beat out Malik Willis as the back up for a reason.

The only sample size for me on Gatewood and Nix is the Spring game. *** Warning***....Totally uneducated, armchair QB analysis coming.  I certainly don't glean very much from Spring games as far as how a player will or won't do.  In this case though, what I saw was that Gatewood threw the long ball the same way he threw a 10 yard cross....on a rope.  I saw receivers bail him out several times.  I thought Nix had a lot more touch.  He knew when to let it rip and when to lay it in there.  Nix was also pretty impressive with his burst when he took off.  They both had their moments but Nix looked a little more polished or complete to me.   

I have no clue who will get the call.  Maybe both along with Boobs in the Gun and a few H-Back twirly birds thrown in for good measure.  At the end of the day, we have Gus developing these guys, so we'll see how it turns out.      
Title: Re: Oh Gus...
Post by: Buzz Killington on August 05, 2019, 03:36:20 PM
As long as we still use the twirly bird all will be well
Title: Re: Oh Gus...
Post by: Godfather on August 05, 2019, 04:17:51 PM
The only sample size for me on Gatewood and Nix is the Spring game. *** Warning***....Totally uneducated, armchair QB analysis coming.  I certainly don't glean very much from Spring games as far as how a player will or won't do.  In this case though, what I saw was that Gatewood threw the long ball the same way he threw a 10 yard cross....on a rope.  I saw receivers bail him out several times.  I thought Nix had a lot more touch.  He knew when to let it rip and when to lay it in there.  Nix was also pretty impressive with his burst when he took off.  They both had their moments but Nix looked a little more polished or complete to me.   

I have no clue who will get the call.  Maybe both along with Boobs in the Gun and a few H-Back twirly birds thrown in for good measure.  At the end of the day, we have Gus developing these guys, so we'll see how it turns out.     
My gut/guess based on Gus,  Gatewood gets the call, makes it through the Oregon game we lose. By the Gator game we will all be screaming for Nix who won't see the field until the Ole Miss game.
Title: Re: Oh Gus...
Post by: bgreene on August 05, 2019, 04:26:18 PM
My gut/guess based on Gus,  Gatewood gets the call, makes it through the Oregon game we lose. By the Gator game we will all be screaming for Nix who won't see the field until the Ole Miss game.
At some point in the season, Nix will take over if he isn't starting already.  Just from the video I've seen of practice so far, Gatewwod appears to be taking all the 1st snaps.
Title: Re: Oh Gus...
Post by: Buzz Killington on August 05, 2019, 04:27:12 PM
My gut/guess based on Gus,  Gatewood gets the call, makes it through the Oregon game we lose. By the Gator game we will all be screaming for Nix who won't see the field until the Ole Miss game.
But this is the new Gus.  Expect a three-headed QB (Gatewood, Nix and John Samuel Shanker) against the Ducks.  Twirly bird FTW!
Title: Re: Oh Gus...
Post by: Snaggletiger on August 05, 2019, 04:37:05 PM
But this is the new Gus.  Expect a three-headed QB (Gatewood, Nix and John Samuel Shanker) against the Ducks.  Twirly bird FTW!
The way you people dismiss Wil Appleton as if he's not even in the mix, shows me you know nothing about football.  I can't even have rational football discussion with any of you.
Title: Re: Oh Gus...
Post by: jmar on August 05, 2019, 04:58:08 PM
At some point in the season, Nix will take over if he isn't starting already.  Just from the video I've seen of practice so far, Gatewwod appears to be taking all the 1st snaps.
Agree. Gatewood can't possibly be anywhere the type of precision thrower that Nix was groomed to be from knee high.

That said,  I prefer the more physical Gatewood start until I see what type of protection we can provide
Nix,  who is NOT a "runner." (Cue the goofy dual threat convo) 


Title: Re: Oh Gus...
Post by: jmar on August 05, 2019, 05:35:10 PM
Cam exceeded all expectations and became a very good passer even though I regarded him as a run first QB.
He was given the option to improvise but I also think he flat-out overruled what was called from the sidelines.

Todd's lack of mobility limited him to following instructions. But he was crafty, had a quick release, avoided violent contact and drive killing sacks.

Kind of night and day which is what these two kids seem to be.

I don't doubt Nix can run some but the line on him from high school is that he doesn't take sacks. How that translates to college is anyone's guess.

Title: Re: Oh Gus...
Post by: Snaggletiger on August 05, 2019, 05:53:15 PM
Agree. Gatewood can't possibly be anywhere the type of precision thrower that Nix was groomed to be from knee high.

That said,  I prefer the more physical Gatewood start until I see what type of protection we can provide
Nix,  who is NOT a "runner." (Cue the goofy dual threat convo)
The key question for me is exactly what type of offense is Malzahn going to run? It seems like it evolves every year into something different, probably based on the strengths and weaknesses of his QB.  2103 and 2104 were years that he had the perfect talent under center and at RB for the read option.  To his credit, Gus saw exactly what he had and rode that to some amazing offensive numbers.  Obviously, we haven't had that type of QB since then in Johnson, White, Stidham etc.  If he runs anything similar to what he did the last 2 years, then Nix is my pick.  He obviously has the arm to make all the throws, but after 2,000 rushing yards in HS and showing some serious quickness in the Spring game, I think he gives that extra dimension Stidham didn't have.  JS would take off every now and then and actually made some crucial plays (See Bama 17').  But, he wasn't a threat by any means.  I believe defenses would have to respect Nix's ability to take off. 
Title: Re: Oh Gus...
Post by: jmar on August 05, 2019, 07:03:36 PM
The key question for me is exactly what type of offense is Malzahn going to run? It seems like it evolves every year into something different, probably based on the strengths and weaknesses of his QB.  2103 and 2104 were years that he had the perfect talent under center and at RB for the read option.  To his credit, Gus saw exactly what he had and rode that to some amazing offensive numbers.  Obviously, we haven't had that type of QB since then in Johnson, White, Stidham etc.  If he runs anything similar to what he did the last 2 years, then Nix is my pick.  He obviously has the arm to make all the throws, but after 2,000 rushing yards in HS and showing some serious quickness in the Spring game, I think he gives that extra dimension Stidham didn't have.  JS would take off every now and then and actually made some crucial plays (See Bama 17').  But, he wasn't a threat by any means.  I believe defenses would have to respect Nix's ability to take off.
I just worry for Nix thinking back to Trotter and what can happen before you even get to show what you can do.

Think Aaron Murray...as a freshman that kid was shifty and super quick but by his 3rd year he was wearing leg braces and had to gut out runs which made him susceptible to even more injury.

  
Title: Re: Oh Gus...
Post by: Godfather on August 06, 2019, 08:59:54 AM
The key question for me is exactly what type of offense is Malzahn going to run? It seems like it evolves every year into something different, probably based on the strengths and weaknesses of his QB.  2103 and 2104 were years that he had the perfect talent under center and at RB for the read option.  To his credit, Gus saw exactly what he had and rode that to some amazing offensive numbers.  Obviously, we haven't had that type of QB since then in Johnson, White, Stidham etc.  If he runs anything similar to what he did the last 2 years, then Nix is my pick.  He obviously has the arm to make all the throws, but after 2,000 rushing yards in HS and showing some serious quickness in the Spring game, I think he gives that extra dimension Stidham didn't have.  JS would take off every now and then and actually made some crucial plays (See Bama 17').  But, he wasn't a threat by any means.  I believe defenses would have to respect Nix's ability to take off.
My god we have extended Gus's contract out that far.  Lord help us the 2056 - 2088 years should have given us all we needed to know about him.  Fuckin Auburn BoT
Title: Re: Oh Gus...
Post by: Godfather on August 06, 2019, 09:02:35 AM
I think he gives that extra dimension Stidham didn't have.  JS would take off every now and then and actually made some crucial plays (See Bama 17').  But, he wasn't a threat by any means.  
Stidham's running or speed wasn't his issue. He was a pussy, was his issue.
Title: Re: Oh Gus...
Post by: bgreene on August 06, 2019, 09:05:03 AM
I would love for Auburn to have one guy at the helm for four years straight, imagine the possibilities.  If we can get a good O line and keep them good even with new faces, whoever it is could break some CFB records (Nix) and bring another Stiff Arm trophy to the Plains.  I hate that we as Auburn fans have to wait, what seems like every year, until the week before the first game to find out who the qb is going to be.  I say give it to Nix and let him go while he has (in theory) a good offensive line that will give that extra cushion for his first year. Once he gets to year two, and has all new faces on the O line, he will have enough experience to help himself while the line learns.  Gatewood could move to receiver and run wildcat and be a big contribution with his size in both of those roles.
Title: Re: Oh Gus...
Post by: Buzz Killington on August 06, 2019, 09:13:17 AM
Not to be a Debbie Downer or anything, but how do we know the OL will actually be worth a shit this year really?  Experience?
Experience getting punked at the line of scrimmage is all they legitimately have from what I saw, other than the Purdue game.  I am not sold that Boobie and company will find that much running room to open things up at all for a passing game.  Throw in a Freshman at QB, whomever gets the nod...that is not a recipe for a natty.  Well, maybe for a natty lite or 12 a game.
Title: Re: Oh Gus...
Post by: Snaggletiger on August 06, 2019, 09:28:02 AM
My god we have extended Gus's contract out that far.  Lord help us the 2056 - 2088 years should have given us all we needed to know about him.  Fuckin Auburn BoT
At first, I was like, "Whaaaaat?"

And then I was like, :facepalm:
Title: Re: Oh Gus...
Post by: ssgaufan on August 06, 2019, 02:57:50 PM
Not to be a Debbie Downer or anything, but how do we know the OL will actually be worth a shoot this year really?  Experience?
Experience getting punked at the line of scrimmage is all they legitimately have from what I saw, other than the Purdue game.  I am not sold that Boobie and company will find that much running room to open things up at all for a passing game.  Throw in a Freshman at QB, whomever gets the nod...that is not a recipe for a natty.  Well, maybe for a natty lite or 12 a game.
Why don't you like boobies?
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Post by: Snaggletiger on August 06, 2019, 03:41:11 PM
Not to be a Debbie Downer or anything, but how do we know the OL will actually be worth a shit this year really?  Experience?
Experience getting punked at the line of scrimmage is all they legitimately have from what I saw, other than the Purdue game.  I am not sold that Boobie and company will find that much running room to open things up at all for a passing game.  Throw in a Freshman at QB, whomever gets the nod...that is not a recipe for a natty.  Well, maybe for a natty lite or 12 a game.
Yeppers, that really is the biggest question mark.  Doesn't matter what kind of QB you've got back there if the big uglies are wrought with suckage.  However, I'm somewhat optimistic about that group.  Yes, they were 5 day old road kill a lot of last season.  But they know what it's like to face the best D-lines in the nation on the biggest stages.  And having all 5 back as a unit with an off season to train has to count for something.

Cam Newton was one of the best athletes to ever grace a college football field.  And I'll still have debates with Bammers etc. after they say Auburn would never have sniffed of a MNC without him. Well thanks, Captain Obvious.  We also wouldn't have come near one without Nick Unfairly.  And more importantly, no way we're in Arizona without Lee Ziemba, Mike Berry, Byron Isom, Ryan Pugh and Brandon Mosely.  The first 4 of those had played together for quite some time and IMO, were the best O-line in the game that year because of it.

Does that mean jack squat for this O-line?  Yerdamnrightitdoes!
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Post by: bgreene on August 06, 2019, 03:44:43 PM
Does that mean jack squat for this O-line?  Yerdamnrightitdoes!
Your optimism is compared to no one...I like it!!

Now to the important question...3 in the middle, 2 on the ends, isn't that tonight?  Can I watch?
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Post by: Snaggletiger on August 06, 2019, 03:48:34 PM
Your optimism is compared to no one...I like it!!

Now to the important question...3 in the middle, 2 on the ends, isn't that tonight?  Can I watch?
Normally I'd say yes, but tonight is the finale of Deadliest Catch on Discovery.  I never miss my Deadly Shrimp show.
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Post by: Godfather on August 06, 2019, 03:52:25 PM
Yeppers, that really is the biggest question mark.  Doesn't matter what kind of QB you've got back there if the big uglies are wrought with suckage.  However, I'm somewhat optimistic about that group.  Yes, they were 5 day old road kill a lot of last season.  But they know what it's like to face the best D-lines in the nation on the biggest stages.  And having all 5 back as a unit with an off season to train has to count for something.

Cam Newton was one of the best athletes to ever grace a college football field.  And I'll still have debates with Bammers etc. after they say Auburn would never have sniffed of a MNC without him. Well thanks, Captain Obvious.  We also wouldn't have come near one without Nick Unfairly.  And more importantly, no way we're in Arizona without Lee Ziemba, Mike Berry, Byron Isom, Ryan Pugh and Brandon Mosely.  The first 4 of those had played together for quite some time and IMO, were the best O-line in the game that year because of it.

Does that mean jack squat for this O-line?  Yerdamnrightitdoes!
You know what is gonna suck next year.  We are going to have to replace all of them.  All 5 offensive lineman.
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Post by: Snaggletiger on August 06, 2019, 03:54:12 PM
You know what is gonna suck next year.  We are going to have to replace all of them.  All 5 offensive lineman.
Which ones?
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Post by: jmar on August 06, 2019, 04:26:04 PM
Not to be a Debbie Downer or anything, but how do we know the OL will actually be worth a shit this year really?  Experience?
Experience getting punked at the line of scrimmage is all they legitimately have from what I saw, other than the Purdue game.  I am not sold that Boobie and company will find that much running room to open things up at all for a passing game.  Throw in a Freshman at QB, whomever gets the nod...that is not a recipe for a natty.  Well, maybe for a natty lite or 12 a game.
We can rent a mule next season but they are hard to come by these days...and expensive. It was once thought that three marginally good QBs
could survive a wholesale transition up front however that experiment didn't yield many victories.
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Post by: bgreene on August 06, 2019, 04:29:35 PM
Which ones?
I'd have to look but I think someone said all 5
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Post by: Buzz Killington on August 06, 2019, 04:33:02 PM
Which ones?
How many?
Title: Re: Oh Gus...
Post by: jmar on August 06, 2019, 04:37:23 PM
How many?
I heard three in the middle.
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Post by: Snaggletiger on August 06, 2019, 04:47:48 PM
What about the guys on the outside?
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Post by: wesfau2 on August 06, 2019, 05:00:01 PM
Not to be a Debbie Downer or anything, but how do we know the OL will actually be worth a shit this year really?  Experience?
Experience getting punked at the line of scrimmage is all they legitimately have from what I saw, other than the Purdue game.  I am not sold that Boobie and company will find that much running room to open things up at all for a passing game.  Throw in a Freshman at QB, whomever gets the nod...that is not a recipe for a natty.  Well, maybe for a natty lite or 12 a game.
They spent most of last season looking like warmed over cat vomit... But, they were playing as a unit pretty well by the end of the season.  Apart from depth, I'm less concerned about them than I am QB.
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Post by: jmar on August 06, 2019, 05:35:26 PM
They spent most of last season looking like warmed over cat vomit... But, they were playing as a unit pretty well by the end of the season.  Apart from depth, I'm less concerned about them than I am QB.
Good point. We could be faced with a situation similar to when Sean White was moving the team yet we had to resort to third and fourth down desperation runs to the flag by KJ.
That was some damn fine play calling and personnel management by an absolute embicile. Pay the man!
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Post by: GH2001 on August 06, 2019, 11:01:06 PM
I'd have to look but I think someone said all 5
Even the ones on the end?
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Post by: Saniflush on August 07, 2019, 08:14:13 AM
Even the ones on the end?
Especially them
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Post by: Kaos on August 08, 2019, 12:56:41 AM
I would love for Auburn to have one guy at the helm for four years straight, imagine the possibilities.
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I didn't think we needed another color analyst. 
Title: Re: Oh Gus...
Post by: The Six on August 08, 2019, 08:52:26 AM
Not to be a Debbie Downer or anything, but how do we know the OL will actually be worth a shoot this year really?  Experience?
Experience getting punked at the line of scrimmage is all they legitimately have from what I saw, other than the Purdue game.  I am not sold that Boobie and company will find that much running room to open things up at all for a passing game.  Throw in a Freshman at QB, whomever gets the nod...that is not a recipe for a natty.  Well, maybe for a natty lite or 12 a game.
Truth in the above postage.
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Post by: CCTAU on August 08, 2019, 01:14:28 PM
Which ones?
The three in the middle + the two on the ends, I would assume.
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Post by: AUTiger1 on August 08, 2019, 01:22:59 PM
Not to be a Debbie Downer or anything, but how do we know the OL will actually be worth a shit this year really?  Experience?
Experience getting punked at the line of scrimmage is all they legitimately have from what I saw, other than the Purdue game.  I am not sold that Boobie and company will find that much running room to open things up at all for a passing game.  Throw in a Freshman at QB, whomever gets the nod...that is not a recipe for a natty.  Well, maybe for a natty lite or 12 a game.
I was believing the sunshine until this slapped me back to reality.....Thanks a lot BUZZ!  You and your damn logic and reasoning.  There is no place for that in CFB!  No place!
Title: Re: Oh Gus...
Post by: Godfather on August 08, 2019, 01:36:39 PM
I was believing the sunshine until this slapped me back to reality.....Thanks a lot BUZZ!  You and your damn logic and reasoning.  There is no place for that in CFB!  No place!
Don't listen to your dumbass friends.
Title: Re: Oh Gus...
Post by: Buzz Killington on August 08, 2019, 02:17:47 PM
Don't listen to your dumbass friends.
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Post by: Snaggletiger on August 08, 2019, 06:59:06 PM
Quick note.  A friend of mine that goes to most practices said Nix showed up to Fall camp jacked.  Said he looks about 220.  Probably not but he said there's a very noticeable difference.
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Post by: jmar on August 08, 2019, 09:35:08 PM
Quick note.  A friend of mine that goes to most practices said Nix showed up to Fall camp jacked.  Said he looks about 220.  Probably not but he said there's a very noticeable difference.
So now we have Edward Scissorhands and a Rolly Polly.
Excellent!
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Post by: Snaggletiger on August 08, 2019, 11:44:12 PM
So now we have Edward Scissorhands and a Rolly Polly.
Excellent!
Negative ghost rider.  He's saying not an ounce of fat.  Incredibly In shape.
Title: Re: Oh Gus...
Post by: Buzz Killington on August 09, 2019, 08:56:21 AM
Negative ghost rider.  He's saying not an ounce of fat.  Incredibly In shape.
Does he even lift, bro?
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Post by: Snaggletiger on August 09, 2019, 09:30:38 AM
Does he even lift, bro?
A little.

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Post by: GH2001 on August 09, 2019, 07:47:51 PM
A little.

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When did the Dothan athletic club let you start going shitless during workouts?