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Pat Dye Field => Beard-Eaves Memorial Coliseum => Topic started by: Kaos on September 26, 2017, 11:28:08 PM
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Chuck's #45 is retired. His name and number are on the facing at the bottom of the upper deck.
Should it come down? Should players be able to use that number again?
USC still displays OJ's jersey and Heisman, but all he did was murder people. He didn't hurt the school directly.
Reggie Bush has vanished from USC. No Heisman display, no jersey hanging. His #5 is technically "unretired" but nobody has or likely will wear it.
I assume we'll be asked to completely disassociate Auburn from Person which means his name has to come down, but I don't know that.
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I think after we receive sanctions, yes.
And he should lose priority parking too.
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I think after we receive sanctions, yes.
And he should lose priority parking too.
He will still get his paycheck though, right? It's the Auburn way.
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He will still get his paycheck though, right? It's the Auburn way.
Is there a farm somewhere around there he could buy?
Can we give him an office in the complex?
What about making him AD?
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He will still get his paycheck though, right? It's the Auburn way.
it'll be interesting to see Pitino come walking away with his buyout.
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it'll be interesting to see Pitino come walking away with his buyout.
That's going to be a large sum
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If this stuff sticks? Yes...it needs to come down
But another side of me asks if this is similar to the Pete rose situation? Should something he did as a non player take away his player accomplishment. It's a valid debate. But since this is an amateur sport and with the nature of chucks trangression (with money and players' careers) - I have to lean to taking it down.
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If this stuff sticks? Yes...it needs to come down
But another side of me asks if this is similar to the Pete rose situation? Should something he did as a non player take away his player accomplishment. It's a valid debate. But since this is an amateur sport and with the nature of chucks trangression (with money and players' careers) - I have to lean to taking it down.
If Auburn suffers from his poor decisions, then yes, it cometh down.
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If Auburn suffers from his poor decisions, then yes, it cometh down.
Regardless to me if Auburn suffers. What he did was illegal, and worse He did it while a coach at Auburn, if guilty it should come down period.
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If there's a "disassociate" order from the NCAA we won't have any choice. It'll have to come down.
Meanwhile, Pat Dye says "whew...."
(http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/article/media_slots/photos/000/215/325/106655859_crop_340x234.jpg?1317823736)
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I would say we should have a jersey burning party, but then I realized that grown men wouldn't wear jerseys anyway. Wiregrass, it's okay to burn yours though if you want.
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If there's a "disassociate" order from the NCAA we won't have any choice. It'll have to come down.
Meanwhile, Pat Dye says "whew...."
(http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/article/media_slots/photos/000/215/325/106655859_crop_340x234.jpg?1317823736)
You boys. You boys done become men out theyyyar tonight. I don't care what that dad blamed scoreboard says. You boys laid ya guts on the line and you boys become men tonight. And I'm proud of ya.
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I’m a little surprised at the National narrative.
We can stop pretending that this is amateur. Put rules in place to regulate the sport like the NBA or NFL.
I’ve heard calls for colleges to draft high school players. Don’t see how that would work because how can you tell a kid who wants to major in forestry that he has to go to UAB because they drafted him?
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I’m a little surprised at the National narrative.
We can stop pretending that this is amateur. Put rules in place to regulate the sport like the NBA or NFL.
I’ve heard calls for colleges to draft high school players. Don’t see how that would work because how can you tell a kid who wants to major in forestry that he has to go to UAB because they drafted him?
I listened to Brandon Marcello podcast and in one breath he was like "The money in college athletes is about to stop. We're about to stop seeing multimillion dollar investments into athletics departments, ESPN rankings are tanking so those TV deals are drying up, the only logical conclusion is we're going to have to pay these players within 5 years."
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Do you even logic, bro? How does this make any sense? I thought the whole justification before this Tuesday was that it was a multimillion dollar operation and they weren't getting their fair cut? Even that argument was based on bullshit when you consider it's a very small handful of schools that actually turn profit, and especially when you factor in Title IX that would require ALL sports, men and women, be paid the same. Now that there's going to be less money to go around NOW's the perfect time to pay the players above and beyond scholarships and stipends. Whut?
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I listened to Brandon Marcello podcast and in one breath he was like "The money in college athletes is about to stop. We're about to stop seeing multimillion dollar investments into athletics departments, ESPN rankings are tanking so those TV deals are drying up, the only logical conclusion is we're going to have to pay these players within 5 years."
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Do you even logic, bro? How does this make any sense? I thought the whole justification before this Tuesday was that it was a multimillion dollar operation and they weren't getting their fair cut? Even that argument was based on bullshit when you consider it's a very small handful of schools that actually turn profit, and especially when you factor in Title IX that would require ALL sports, men and women, be paid the same. Now that there's going to be less money to go around NOW's the perfect time to pay the players above and beyond scholarships and stipends. Whut?
I think if anything college athletics will go back to what they should be. An amateur sport extension of the SCHOOL. Or at least it should. When the NCAA allowed espn, adidas, under armor, cbs, Nike etc to come in and drive the model, it went amock. And we all still pretended it was amateur. It became big money business.
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I think if anything college athletics will go back to what they should be. An amateur sport extension of the SCHOOL. Or at least it should. When the NCAA allowed espn, adidas, under armor, cbs, Nike etc to come in and drive the model, it went amock. And we all still pretended it was amateur. It became big money business.
Completely agree. It was the problem before Tuesday. Just boggles the mind that apparently sports writers are so hell bent on "payin the dang players" that they somehow think it's the SOLUTION to too much money changing hands.
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Not for nothing but doesn't the FBI have bigger things to be looking into than college basketball....just saying.
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I think if anything college athletics will go back to what they should be. An amateur sport extension of the SCHOOL. Or at least it should. When the NCAA allowed espn, adidas, under armor, cbs, Nike etc to come in and drive the model, it went amock. And we all still pretended it was amateur. It became big money business.
they will not go back at all...the money is too important. perhaps a regulatory branch {or at least a stronger one]...like the SE Commission to steer it better.
i don't agree with paying the players. i would rather have them do away with the one and done type rules.
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Not for nothing but doesn't the FBI have bigger things to be looking into than college basketball....just saying.
Yes...Hillary.
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i don't agree with paying the players. i would rather have them do away with the one and done type rules.
100% agree. I think paying players would open Pandora's Box
Here's the thing to me, no one is making any of these kids play football or basketball.
You don't want to play don't play. Go to college like the rest of us went, or don't go at all.
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100% agree. I think paying players would open Pandora's Box
Here's the thing to me, no one is making any of these kids play football or basketball.
You don't want to play don't play. Go to college like the rest of us went, or don't go at all.
So you don’t see a problem when a kid goes to college, makes a memorable play and then the university and half a dozen apparel companies make millions selling his #32 jerseys? What happens when that player graduates but doesn’t make the NFL?
They profited from his name and likeness. Seems unfair.
I’d prefer a model where the players get a percentage of apparel and merchandise sales but they money is invested and can’t be touched until after graduation or three years after leaving, whichever comes first.
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So you don’t see a problem when a kid goes to college, makes a memorable play and then the university and half a dozen apparel companies make millions selling his #32 jerseys? What happens when that player graduates but doesn’t make the NFL?
I don't see a problem.
Last time I checked College never guaranteed anything. I went to Auburn all they guaranteed was I 'd get an education, not a job.
A player chooses to play so that he can get a job, whether that job is in the NFL or in a boardroom doesn't make a difference to me. The kids that are selected to be offered a scholarship are given free room and board, books, education, food, tutors, the ability to excel at school.
They are given every opportunity to succeed. It was a lot more than I had when I went to college.
The only thing I disagree with is that if they don't make it in the NFL they should be allowed to finish school for free including all of those things they got on scholly including an graduate degree year if they so wanted.
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So you don’t see a problem when a kid goes to college, makes a memorable play and then the university and half a dozen apparel companies make millions selling his #32 jerseys? What happens when that player graduates but doesn’t make the NFL?
They profited from his name and likeness. Seems unfair.
I’d prefer a model where the players get a percentage of apparel and merchandise sales but they money is invested and can’t be touched until after graduation or three years after leaving, whichever comes first.
Intresting. Suppose I'm in the agronomy department...as a undergraduate doing research for a professor. I find a type of Zoysia that is mole cricket resistant. Any chance I see any of the royalties from future sales...most likely not. The University you bet.
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I’d prefer a model where the players get a percentage of apparel and merchandise sales but they money is invested and can’t be touched until after graduation or three years after leaving, whichever comes first.
I don't think any model will work. The truth is that the money isn't there like everyone seems to think it is.
The money goes to fund other sports. There are many universities athletic teams that operate in the red, and simply wouldn't be able to afford to do this. I would garner that there are probably less than 40 teams that could probably compete.
I just think when you open that wormhole it will just get bigger and bigger. Which players get money? All the players? Which sports? What about women's sports you better believe Title IX would be involved.
I see no good model that would come from it. It's amateur sports lets keep it that way.
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Intresting. Suppose I'm in the agronomy department...as a undergraduate doing research for a professor. I find a type of Zoysia that is mole cricket resistant. Any chance I see any of the royalties from future sales...most likely not. The University you bet.
Exactly!
Ask the guys that invented Gatorade how they are doing?
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Exactly!
Ask the guys that invented Gatorade how they are doing?
Water sucks. It really, really sucks. Water sucks.
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Not for nothing but doesn't the FBI have bigger things to be looking into than college basketball....just saying.
I though Buzz determined that they have a branch office in Tuscaloosa. Maybe things were slow.
Care for some wiretapping?
Sure why not.
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Exactly!
Ask the guys that invented Gatorade how they are doing?
They're all dead, Jim.
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Yes...Hillary.
Funny. Because I had the same response last night. It's true it's true.
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So you don’t see a problem when a kid goes to college, makes a memorable play and then the university and half a dozen apparel companies make millions selling his #32 jerseys? What happens when that player graduates but doesn’t make the NFL?
They profited from his name and likeness. Seems unfair.
I’d prefer a model where the players get a percentage of apparel and merchandise sales but they money is invested and can’t be touched until after graduation or three years after leaving, whichever comes first.
Iffin we're going back to what college sports are truly supposed to be (like the other sports not named basketball football and baseball), there wouldn't be the big business exploitation off of "not for profit" schools and "amateur" athletes. That's really what college athletics should be at it's core. What's driving this whole thing is schools who CAN make money off of the athletes but athletes who CANT. There is a carrot there they can't have. Take that away and most of this would settle down. It needs to go back to being truly amateur.
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I don't see a problem.
Last time I checked College never guaranteed anything. I went to Auburn all they guaranteed was I 'd get an education, not a job.
But what if Auburn (and Nike, adidas, Under Armour, Russell, Wal Marks and Antigua) were making tons of money selling Brian K lab coats based on your stellar performance in your biology class? What if when you walked across campus on any given day you'd see a dozen or more people wearing a lab coat with Brian K on the back? And you didn't get a penny from that?
I agree with what you're saying.
They go to get an education ( (https://m.popkey.co/d94d35/O97G1_s-200x150.gif) )
But what they're doing at the school while they earn that degree allows Jay Jacobs to make a million a year, Gus to make $4 mil, Jay to approve a quazillion dollar video board, buildings to be built, etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.
I'm not playing the "poor oppressed athlete" violin by any stretch, but there does seem to be a disconnect somewhere. Jay's fat ass wears Armani and gets $500 haircuts while Alexander Griffinston plays four years at safety, helps win an SEC title, sees 40,000 of jerseys with his number on them sold at various stores and leaves with a degree in criminal justice from which he'll earn $35,000 a year.
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Intresting. Suppose I'm in the agronomy department...as a undergraduate doing research for a professor. I find a type of Zoysia that is mole cricket resistant. Any chance I see any of the royalties from future sales...most likely not. The University you bet.
Do you have any of that sod? I need some.
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I need a little for my cataracts.
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But what if Auburn (and Nike, adidas, Under Armour, Russell, Wal Marks and Antigua) were making tons of money selling Brian K lab coats based on your stellar performance in your biology class? What if when you walked across campus on any given day you'd see a dozen or more people wearing a lab coat with Brian K on the back? And you didn't get a penny from that?
I agree with what you're saying.
They go to get an education ( (https://m.popkey.co/d94d35/O97G1_s-200x150.gif) )
But what they're doing at the school while they earn that degree allows Jay Jacobs to make a million a year, Gus to make $4 mil, Jay to approve a quazillion dollar video board, buildings to be built, etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.
I'm not playing the "poor oppressed athlete" violin by any stretch, but there does seem to be a disconnect somewhere. Jay's fat ass wears Armani and gets $500 haircuts while Alexander Griffinston plays four years at safety, helps win an SEC title, sees 40,000 of jerseys with his number on them sold at various stores and leaves with a degree in criminal justice from which he'll earn $35,000 a year.
Did I get a free education out of it? After I go pro in biology I will market a new labcoat...Labcoat 2.0 and sell the fuck out of it. Auburn provided me with an arena to market my labcoat and now I have new labcoat market I can sell to.
They say the school gives them nothing in exchange for their playing for the school...the NFL being their ultimate goal.
I say aside from everything else I mentioned they were also given a platform, facilities, and TV to showcase their ability to go to the next level.
You posted that gif of laughing about the education they get, (I would argue college is a waste altogether, everything learned is on the job, but that's a whole nother discussion) but just using football we had what 15-20 something guys graduate off the team last year... 3 of them are playing in the NFL what are the rest of them doing? Having a college education sure isn't hurting them.
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Did I get a free education out of it? After I go pro in biology I will market a new labcoat...Labcoat 2.0 and sell the fuck out of it. Auburn provided me with an arena to market my labcoat and now I have new labcoat market I can sell to.
They say the school gives them nothing in exchange for their playing for the school...the NFL being their ultimate goal.
I say aside from everything else I mentioned they were also given a platform, facilities, and TV to showcase their ability to go to the next level.
You posted that gif of laughing about the education they get, (I would argue college is a waste altogether, everything learned is on the job, but that's a whole nother discussion) but just using football we had what 15-20 something guys graduate off the team last year... 3 of them are playing in the NFL what are the rest of them doing? Having a college education sure isn't hurting them.
I'm really not disagreeing with you. They should go for the education, but the reality is most of them are there to get a shot at the NFL. That's the dream. I also agree that the current educational system is a sham. I'd prefer that it were trimmed to two years of basic reading/writing/math and then two years of apprentice work at the job you think you want. At least then you'd know.
I just know what it was like for a guy playing there who's mom was working a couple of jobs to get by, who got a free education, true, but also went on the field on game day seeing a thousand people wearing HIS jersey in the stands, who could play as himself (with a fake name) in EA Sports NCAA Football, whose image was used to market the program all over the place and he didn't get shit from that. Pro career fizzled quickly due to injury. So yeah, he got a degree. Got it in the major he was advised to take. When the pro thing didn't work out he had to go back to school.
It just seems wrong to me for Gus to drive a $150,000 BMW when the players, like this guy, sometimes really do barely scrape by.
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I'm really not disagreeing with you. They should go for the education, but the reality is most of them are there to get a shot at the NFL. That's the dream. I also agree that the current educational system is a sham. I'd prefer that it were trimmed to two years of basic reading/writing/math and then two years of apprentice work at the job you think you want. At least then you'd know.
I just know what it was like for a guy playing there who's mom was working a couple of jobs to get by, who got a free education, true, but also went on the field on game day seeing a thousand people wearing HIS jersey in the stands, who could play as himself (with a fake name) in EA Sports NCAA Football, whose image was used to market the program all over the place and he didn't get shit from that. Pro career fizzled quickly due to injury. So yeah, he got a degree. Got it in the major he was advised to take. When the pro thing didn't work out he had to go back to school.
It just seems wrong to me for Gus to drive a $150,000 BMW when the players, like this guy, sometimes really do barely scrape by.
All goes back to college athletics being big business and should it be? I don't think it should. But as nook said it's hard to get the money out once it's in. I do think the model it sits on now is very hypocritical.
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So yeah, he got a degree. Got it in the major he was advised to take. When the pro thing didn't work out he had to go back to school.
It just seems wrong to me for Gus to drive a $150,000 BMW when the players, like this guy, sometimes really do barely scrape by.
That's where I think that if you are given a full ride scholarship that even if you leave early you should be able to come back and finish your degree for free with all the entitlements of a scholarship including a graduate year. Give each scholarship kid 6 years of free room and board, tuition, and books. The leave after 3 they have 3 more years (within a window, say maybe 10 years) to finish their degree even go to graduate school if they want.
and I agree coaches shouldn't get paid what they are being paid. It's ridiculous. I also think the NCAA should back off some of its current rules. Like if a coach leaves for another job, the athletes should have a right to go elsewhere too and not have to sit a year.
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The kids that are selected to be offered a scholarship are given free room and board, books, education, food, tutors, the ability to excel at school.
They get more than that. They get cost of living stipends. Everyone conveniently leaves that out of the equation. THEY ALREADY ARE GETTING PAID. No, not millions of dollars, but add the stipends to the meal plans, the scholarships, and unlimited resources for ensuring their success as students, and it's not a bad gig.
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They get more than that. They get cost of living stipends. Everyone conveniently leaves that out of the equation. THEY ALREADY ARE GETTING PAID. No, not millions of dollars, but add the stipends to the meal plans, the scholarships, and unlimited resources for ensuring their success as students, and it's not a bad gig.
do you know if the stipends are equal across all sports?
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They get more than that. They get cost of living stipends. Everyone conveniently leaves that out of the equation. THEY ALREADY ARE GETTING PAID. No, not millions of dollars, but add the stipends to the meal plans, the scholarships, and unlimited resources for ensuring their success as students, and it's not a bad gig.
To take it a step further, they're getting all kinds of AU apparel for 4 years, travel to games by plane/bus. Hotel, motel Holiday Inn. I know the average cost of a 4 year degree at both AU and Bama is right at $100K, give or take a few thousand. I'm just guessing here and may be way off, but when you add up all the things named that are over and above what the average student would spend over 4 years, would you think it's closer to $250K for the foosballz player? Here's another consideration. My kid just got some info on several colleges from school, including AU. The average tuition per year for in-state students is just over $10K. Out of state is over $29K per year. My Chizad math says that's around $75K extra on the value of a scholarship for an out of state student athlete.
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do you know if the stipends are equal across all sports?
There's some new rules over the last 2 or 3 years and I think it is universal.
Everything I can find online about it now acts as if this didn't exist before three years ago, but it definitely did.
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Ok. I'm fully on the "take the number off the wall" train now.
Person, who is Auburn's all-time leading scorer and helped the Tigers reach three straight NCAA tournaments, was the No. 4 pick of the Indiana Pacers in the 1986 NBA draft. He was the 1987 NBA Rookie of the Year and played for five teams from 1986 to 2000, earning more than $23 million in salary. A former assistant in the NBA and Korea, Person joined head coach Bruce Pearl's staff at Auburn in 2014. Person was promoted to associate head coach the next season.
And somehow he's so freaking broke that he sold Auburn's soul for $50,000? I've never made $23 million and I wouldn't even do that.
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Ok. I'm fully on the "take the number off the wall" train now.
And somehow he's so freaking broke that he sold Auburn's soul for $50,000? I've never made $23 million and I wouldn't even do that.
Astonishing!
This seems more like the behavior of a drug addict or extremely indebted gambler.
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Only in America
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Only in America
Was thinking about this the other day. I don't think you could get 80 years for selling military technology to the Chinese but just start selling huma... I mean marketing athletes and see what you get.
Not that I think he would do that many but I suppose a federal sentence could be as bad as some notorious Alabama politicos/swindlers.