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The Library => The SGA => Topic started by: The Prowler on July 10, 2017, 06:31:26 PM
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https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/07/09/us/politics/trump-russia-kushner-manafort.html?action=Click&contentCollection=BreakingNews&contentID=65549760&pgtype=Homepage&_r=0&referer=https://www.leftscoop.com/2017/07/breaking-donald-trump-jr-promised-damaging-info-hillary-clinton-meeting-kremlin-lawyer/
*snicker* :facepalm:
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https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/07/09/us/politics/trump-russia-kushner-manafort.html?action=Click&contentCollection=BreakingNews&contentID=65549760&pgtype=Homepage&_r=0&referer=https://www.leftscoop.com/2017/07/breaking-donald-trump-jr-promised-damaging-info-hillary-clinton-meeting-kremlin-lawyer/
*snicker* :facepalm:
The damaging information this lady was supposedly trying to peddle was that the Russians were funding Hillary and the DNC
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The damaging information this lady was supposedly trying to peddle was that the Russians were funding Hillary and the DNC
He's dumber than a fuckbasket.
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Holy shit Prowlie, just stop.
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The damaging information this lady was supposedly trying to peddle was that the Russians were funding Hillary and the DNC
Yup, that's why Trump Jr. wanted to meet with the Russian lawyer.
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Holy shit Prowlie, just stop.
Nyet.
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He's dumber than a fuckbasket.
Nice addition to the discussion, fuckstick.
Here's what happened...
Donald Trump Jr. gets an email indicating a Russian lawyer wants to meet with him and provide compromising information to the Trump campaign provided by the Russian government that could hurt Hillary Clinton. Trump Jr., Kushner, and Manafort all agreed to attend the meeting in Trump Tower. But, according to them, the Russian didn’t actually have said information. The Trump campaign and the Trumpets spins this as "Nothing to see here...no collusion occurred because the Russian didn’t have any information to collude with...no crime, move along."
It doesn’t matter that the co-conspirator failed to come through with the goods, they still participated in the conspiracy.
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Still not illegal and doesn't prove collusion.
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Nice addition to the discussion, fuckstick.
Here's what happened...
Donald Trump Jr. gets an email indicating a Russian lawyer wants to meet with him and provide compromising information to the Trump campaign provided by the Russian government that could hurt Hillary Clinton. Trump Jr., Kushner, and Manafort all agreed to attend the meeting in Trump Tower. But, according to them, the Russian didn’t actually have said information. The Trump campaign and the Trumpets spins this as "Nothing to see here...no collusion occurred because the Russian didn’t have any information to collude with...no crime, move along."
It doesn’t matter that the co-conspirator failed to come through with the goods, they still participated in the conspiracy.
Your grandfather tells great stories.
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Still not illegal and doesn't prove collusion.
Trump was there too or being fed information (made the anti-hillary speech a couple of weeks later)...along with close friend Rob Goldstone (has strong connections to Putin). It's starting to sound like it was a trade ("blackmail file" on Hillary for Trump's end of the Magnitsky Act), because before this meeting, Manafort & Kushner were busy meeting with the Russian agents. Just calling it like I sees it.
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Still not illegal and doesn't prove collusion.
Even if the Russians DID provide negative info on Hillary -- which they didn't, they only used that as a ruse to get an audience -- well guess what?
That's not fucking collusion. As you mentioned, it's not illegal. It's click bait for morons.
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More. Fake. News.
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“After pleasantries were exchanged,†he said, “the woman stated that she had information that individuals connected to Russia were funding the Democratic National Committee and supporting Mrs. Clinton. Her statements were vague, ambiguous and made no sense. No details or supporting information was provided or even offered. It quickly became clear that she had no meaningful information.â€
That is all they had to put in the article. It's proof that Hillary was colluding with the Russians!!!!!1
#micdrop
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Wait...I was wrong. Here is the proof that Trump and Putin were in it together.
https://www.facebook.com/theblaze/videos/1526392697398065/?fref=mentions (https://www.facebook.com/theblaze/videos/1526392697398065/?fref=mentions)
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Still not illegal and doesn't prove collusion.
In fact it proves collusion by the other side. Meeting was a setup.
This lady whose last name is impossible to pronounce was employed by fusion gps. The company that organized the oppo/dossier put together by Chris Steele for the dnc.
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Your grandfather tells great stories.
He has great learning from the university of "Google some bullshit websites"
And his usage of the word collusion is well....fast and loose to say the least.
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This place is becoming like FB. Anytime a remote possibility of a link pops up, the leftwing resident moonbats post the shit out of it as if its more "proof"!
AND, right on cue:
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Vox, I know, but it puts the controversy in a language you can understand without being blinded by your biases.
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/7/11/15950664/trump-jr-russia-meeting-clinton
We are past the point of innocent explanations on Trump and Russia
Imagine if the Clintons had done what the Trumps did on Russia.
Imagine the names were different.
Imagine Chelsea Clinton had taken Bill Clinton and campaign chair John Podesta to a meeting set up by a Chinese government intermediary who claimed to have damaging information about Donald Trump’s tax returns and said over email they were willing to share the information in a bid to defeat Trump.
Imagine this information came out mere weeks after stories revealing a major Democratic funder, acting on the behest of prospective National Security Adviser Susan Rice, had been trying to work with Chinese hackers to steal copies of Trump’s tax returns.
Imagine, during all of this, that Hillary Clinton herself had gotten on a stage and begged the Chinese government to release Trump’s tax returns. “China, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the tax returns,†Clinton said in Florida. “I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press.â€
Imagine that these stories were not isolated. They came alongside dozens of strange meetings between Clinton campaign aides and Chinese staffers — contacts left off security clearance forms and “forgotten†during sworn congressional testimony — and were buttressed by Clinton herself lurching toward a strangely pro-China policy and an unusual, and repeatedly articulated, affection for China’s leader.
And imagine that, in a crucial stretch of the campaign, hackers backed by the Chinese government really did break into the Trump family’s systems and release a bevy of damaging financial documents in a successful effort to elect Clinton.
To simply write this story out is to strain credulity. It reads like a bad spy novel or a fevered conspiracy. Can you imagine what Fox News would be saying? What Rush Limbaugh would be saying? How deafening the calls for impeachment and investigation would be?
But this is where we are. The best defense of Trump’s associates, at this point, is they were too dumb to know what they’re doing — a defense that doesn’t work when it includes experienced international operators like campaign manager Paul Manafort and ex-Defense Intelligence Agency Director Michael Flynn. Donald Trump Jr.’s own defense of himself is that he attempted to collude with Russian agents but they didn’t have any useful information and so he didn’t. This is, as my colleague Zack Beauchamp notes, no defense at all — even if it is true, Trump Jr. may well have committed a crime.
What’s more, we know for a fact that the Russian hacking of Democratic files happened, that it was successful, and that Trump has stubbornly resisted efforts to admit or investigate Russia’s intervention into the campaign while repeatedly praising Putin. We also know Trump has, since taking office, undermined the NATO alliance while cozying up to Vladimir Putin — the two of them joked about their shared dislike for the American media at the G20 last week and pledged to work together on cybersecurity.
This isn’t just smoke. We can see the damage done by the fire. We are watching our president pal around with the suspected arsonists. And so we are past the point where innocent explanations on Trump and Russia remain credible. Consider the context of Trump Jr.’s meeting:
The most important fact about Trump Jr.’s meeting is that Manafort and Kushner were there. Absent their involvement, this may have just been Trump Jr. entertaining himself. But Manafort and Kushner were Trump’s campaign manager and key consigliere, respectively. They were busy. They didn’t take meetings without knowing what they were about. Their presence suggests the Trump campaign was keenly interested in this kind of collusion, though we don’t yet know whether it actually happened.
It was only days after Trump Jr.’s meeting that Trump himself publicly asked Russian hackers to find and release Clinton’s missing emails. Under criticism, Trump played the comments off as a joke, but it seems plausible that there was a theory floating around the campaign that Russian hackers had breached Clinton’s files and could reveal information that would devastate her campaign.
Currently, the White House is saying Trump only learned of his son’s meeting in the past few days. So the going defense of the president is this: His son, his son-in-law, and his campaign manager met with Russian operatives to try to obtain dirt on Clinton — potentially both committing a crime and giving the Russians leverage over the candidate — and no one bothered to ask Trump whether this was a good idea. As with many of Trumpworld’s excuses, it’s hard to know if it’s more damning if it’s true or if it’s false.
Remember that all this took place in June 2016 when Trump was considered a serious underdog to win the race. The risk of colluding with a foreign power — if that risk was even understood and appreciated by Trump’s team — might well have seemed worth it to have a chance at winning the election. A gamble that looks insane in retrospect might have looked reasonable at the time, particularly if its consequences weren’t fully understood or expected.
It is always worth asking how people involved in clear wrongdoing might have seemed like the hero of the story to themselves. Trump and his family bought into the most fevered conspiracies about the emails Clinton withheld from the State Department as personal, and they likely believed that there was information crucial to American interests lurking in those documents. If they had obtained the emails and proven Clinton dangerously unfit to lead, or revealed that foreign powers had more information or leverage over American policymaking than we knew, they would have done the country a great service, or at least it’s easy to believe how they would see it that way. Recall former CIA Director John Brennan’s comment: "Frequently individuals who go along a treasonous path do not even realize they are on that path until it gets to be a bit too late.â€
“If The New York Times knows all this, imagine what Bob Mueller knows,†writes Axios’s Mike Allen. It is, for the Trump administration, a scary thought. But also remember: Obstruction of justice is a strange and somewhat vague crime that relies heavily on intent to undermine an investigation. Trump’s intent looks quite different if it turns out he was trying to protect his beloved son and son-in-law from investigation than if he was just annoyed by James Comey’s reticence.
How hard is Vladimir Putin laughing at us right now? One theory of Russia’s involvement in the election is they never expected to elect Trump — they just wanted to sow doubt in America’s institutions and its leaders. Look how easily and wildly they succeeded.
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I've been critical of how close Ivanka and Jared are to the President. I don't think they have any business in policy. No more than you or I. But what she did with merkel at g20 and the saving the chair is a big nothing burger.
The meeting/setup with this Russian operative is an even bigger nothing burger. Yes - table turned and opposite players involved I would say the same. Bigger fish to fry at the moment.
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I've been critical of how close Ivanka and Jared are to the President. I don't think they have any business in policy. No more than you or I. But what she did with merkel at g20 and the saving the chair is a big nothing burger.
The meeting/setup with this Russian operative is an even bigger nothing burger. Yes - table turned and opposite players involved I would say the same. Bigger fish to fry at the moment.
All campaigns gather dirt on the opposition. I'm sure Trump's team ONLY met with this one person. And we know hitlary's team never met with anyone...
Sadly, I am back on FB...
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I'll say this, I don't think collusion happened, but I really don't know.
If collusion did happen, this is the ONLY real piece of evidence that ANYONE has found out about in close to a year investigating.
I think this meeting is odd. It doesn't mean he is guilty or innocent, but it is odd. I wish that people would be intellectually honest on both sides to have a reasonable discussion, but it won't happen.
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I'll say this, I don't think collusion happened, but I really don't know.
If collusion did happen, this is the ONLY real piece of evidence that ANYONE has found out about in close to a year investigating.
I think this meeting is odd. It doesn't mean he is guilty or innocent, but it is odd. I wish that people would be intellectually honest on both sides to have a reasonable discussion, but it won't happen.
And now Don Jr. just released his full email. He knew it was a meeting with Russian people about dirt on Hillary. What does that mean legally speaking? No clue....
Once again, this is odd.
Personally, I think that no one is clean. And if someone with money and resources, like the whole freaking US media, investigates something for over a year, they will find something. Still not sure this is any different than what any politician does to dig up dirt on their opponent.
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And now Don Jr. just released his full email. He knew it was a meeting with Russian people about dirt on Hillary. What does that mean legally speaking? No clue....
Once again, this is odd.
Personally, I think that no one is clean. And if someone with money and resources, like the whole freaking US media, investigates something for over a year, they will find something. Still not sure this is any different than what any politician does to dig up dirt on their opponent.
One of the emails refers to Veselnitskaya as a "Russian government attorney".
The email was forwarded to Kushner. In the very least, this should have come up in his SF-86 security clearance form. MAYBE HE DID include it, and that's how we knew about the meeting in the first place. We'll see.
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One of the emails refers to Veselnitskaya as a "Russian government attorney".
And then she says that she doesn't work for the government.
Again, we don't know if ANYTHING did come out of this meeting. We know nothing. This is an assumption that there was collusion because contact was there. The FBI has still not been able to turn up ANY evidence of actual collusion.
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And then she says that she doesn't work for the government.
Again, we don't know if ANYTHING did come out of this meeting. We know nothing. This is an assumption that there was collusion because contact was there. The FBI has still not been able to turn up ANY evidence of actual collusion.
Where? I'm not being salty, I just didn't see that anywhere in the email chain.
I did also see his fourth page that said "This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government's support for Mr. Trump - helped along by Aras and Emin."
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Guys - the fact that this was a pure setup job changes the entire context of it all.
“We have learned that the person who sought the meeting is associated with Fusion GPS, a firm which, according to public reports, was retained by Democratic operatives to develop opposition research on the President and which commissioned the phony Steele dossier,†Mark Corall, spokesperson for President Trump's lawyer Marc Kasowitz told NBC.
Sara Carter (circa news) and John Solomon (no not from al.com) have both done some very extensive research into this lady and her ties.
This "collusion with the Russians" story has been in the works for a good long while.
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Where? I'm not being salty, I just didn't see that anywhere in the email chain.
I did also see his fourth page that said "This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government's support for Mr. Trump - helped along by Aras and Emin."
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/russian-lawyer-who-met-trump-jr-i-didn-t-have-n781631 (http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/russian-lawyer-who-met-trump-jr-i-didn-t-have-n781631)
And I agree with you. Don Jr is not even denying that. The whole thing is weird.
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Guys - the fact that this was a pure setup job changes the entire context of it all.
“We have learned that the person who sought the meeting is associated with Fusion GPS, a firm which, according to public reports, was retained by Democratic operatives to develop opposition research on the President and which commissioned the phony Steele dossier,†Mark Corall, spokesperson for President Trump's lawyer Marc Kasowitz told NBC.
Sara Carter (circa news) and John Solomon (no not from al.com) have both done some very extensive research into this lady and her ties.
This "collusion with the Russians" story has been in the works for a good long while.
And I think that this is just as possible for sure. Again, NOTHING has been proven. BUT, in emails that Don just released, he thought he was meeting with someone from the Russian legal team that he thought had dirt on Clinton. He may have been set up, but he also took the bait. Still doesn't prove a fucking thing other than Don Jr. perhaps being extremely naive.
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http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/russian-lawyer-who-met-trump-jr-i-didn-t-have-n781631 (http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/russian-lawyer-who-met-trump-jr-i-didn-t-have-n781631)
And I agree with you. Don Jr is not even denying that. The whole thing is weird.
Oh yeah, you're saying her denial is contradicted by the emails Don Jr. just released. I thought you were saying it was "corrected" somewhere in the emails.
Apparently, by Don Jr.'s own admission by releasing the emails, all parties knew her to be a government operative.
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Oh yeah, you're saying her denial is contradicted by the emails Don Jr. just released. I thought you were saying it was "corrected" somewhere in the emails.
Apparently, by Don Jr.'s own admission by releasing the emails, all parties knew her to be a government operative.
Correct. And then she is denying it now.
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The Russians are coming! The Russians are, coming!
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And I think that this is just as possible for sure. Again, NOTHING has been proven. BUT, in emails that Don just released, he thought he was meeting with someone from the Russian legal team that he thought had dirt on Clinton. He may have been set up, but he also took the bait. Still doesn't prove a fucking thing other than Don Jr. perhaps being extremely naive.
No that's fair enough. And I agree. Very naive. But no collusion and certainly not illegal.
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Media reporting DTJ "thrilled" with the subject of a meeting.
Of course he was thrilled. Its called oppo research. You find as much dirt as you can on your opponent. Tying hitlary to the Russians "again" would have been great. But alas, for the poor dimturds, no collusion!
Not even "odd".
There was none of this "collusion" BS at the time. And if they had tied hitlary to the russians, again, it would be the final nail n the coffin.
There was no collusion. There is no collusion, There has never been any collusion. And there will never be any collusion.
People who believe in this probably believe in man made global warming also!
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Kaine saying that he thinks this is treason just gets us closer and closer to CW II.
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Kaine saying that he thinks this is treason just gets us closer and closer to CW II.
I wonder what Donna Brazille thinks about it?
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There was no collusion. There is no collusion, There has never been any collusion. And there will never be any collusion.
Serious question, how do you define "collusion"? At what point would it in fact be considered "collusion" in your estimation?
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Media reporting DTJ "thrilled" with the subject of a meeting.
Of course he was thrilled. Its called oppo research. You find as much dirt as you can on your opponent. Tying hitlary to the Russians "again" would have been great. But alas, for the poor dimturds, no collusion!
Not even "odd".
There was none of this "collusion" BS at the time. And if they had tied hitlary to the russians, again, it would be the final nail n the coffin.
There was no collusion. There is no collusion, There has never been any collusion. And there will never be any collusion.
People who believe in this probably believe in man made global warming also!
This. I still don't get the big deal here. First off, this type of "collusion" is not illegal. Second, not one damn thing the Russians did or didn't do with regard to the election had any bearing whatsoever on who people voted for. This was as polarized an election as I've ever seen. Either you wuz fer or agint. And C, does anybody believe that the good ole U.S. of A. isn't meddling in and trying to influence every election around the world that we can?
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This. I still don't get the big deal here. First off, this type of "collusion" is not illegal. Second, not one damn thing the Russians did or didn't do with regard to the election had any bearing whatsoever on who people voted for. This was as polarized an election as I've ever seen. Either you wuz fer or agint. And C, does anybody believe that the good ole U.S. of A. isn't meddling in and trying to influence every election around the world that we can?
That's why I think people like Senators Kaine and Sanders fanning the flames of someone committing "treason" will lead to more people attempting to shoot Republican Congressmen.
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That's why I think people like Senators Kaine and Sanders fanning the flames of someone committing "treason" will lead to more people attempting to shoot Republican Congressmen.
No, no. Trump posted a WWE meme of him body slamming CNN. It's the journalists lives that are now in danger. Stop trying to deflect. Trump evil.
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No, no. Trump posted a WWE meme of him body slamming CNN. It's the journalists lives that are now in danger. Stop trying to deflect. Trump evil.
Not to mention that wicked little 15 year old kid who was colluding with Trump and the Russians.
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Imagine if the Clintons had done what the Trumps did on Russia.
We would have to imagine it, because the news media would have never "broken" the story.
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Serious question, how do you define "collusion"? At what point would it in fact be considered "collusion" in your estimation?
Serious retort:
Show me how anything confirmed here or anywhere else meets a reasonable standard of "collusion".
Meeting with someone who claims to have information certainly fails to qualify.
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Serious retort:
Show me how anything confirmed here or anywhere else meets a reasonable standard of "collusion".
Meeting with someone who claims to have information certainly fails to qualify.
Webster's Dictionary
Collusion: Secret agreement or cooperation especially for an illegal or deceitful purpose
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Webster's Dictionary
Collusion: Secret agreement or cooperation especially for an illegal or deceitful purpose
Shut up, Harry.
None of that applies. But thanks for proving me right.
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Shut up, Harry.
None of that applies. But thanks for proving me right.
"Secret agreement or cooperation for a deceitful purpose" applies.
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"Secret agreement or cooperation for a deceitful purpose" applies.
Do you think it's treason?
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Serious retort:
Show me how anything confirmed here or anywhere else meets a reasonable standard of "collusion".
Meeting with someone who claims to have information certainly fails to qualify.
Serious indulgement.
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I consider the entire email conversation, especially in light of the highlighted portion, collusion.
I consider this to be lying about said collusion.
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Do you think it's treason?
I know you're not asking me, and I know he probably does, but I don't.
I think it's collusion though, by any realistic definition of the word.
I think if I asked the question "What would it take for you consider this collusion?" a couple of months ago, a lot of people's response would probably be something like "Ok, like if it came out that Trump or someone really close to him like one of his sons or son-in-law or something, like knowingly met with a Kremlin operative, specifically with the intention of gathering Russian government intelligence for the specific purpose of sabotaging the opposing campaign in order to attempt sway the election, and if, I dunno there were conversations that explicitly acknowledged the Russian government was behind it and explicitly supported Trump and would actively participate in helping him, maybe THEN I'd say ok that's collusion."
Seems like some of your definition goal posts keep shifting.
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I know you're not asking me, and I know he probably does, but I don't.
I think it's collusion though, by any realistic definition of the word.
I think if I asked the question "What would it take for you consider this collusion?" a couple of months ago, a lot of people's response would probably be something like "Ok, like if it came out that Trump or someone really close to him like one of his sons or son-in-law or something, like knowingly met with a Kremlin operative, specifically with the intention of gathering Russian government intelligence for the specific purpose of sabotaging the opposing campaign in order to attempt sway the election, and if, I dunno there were conversations that explicitly acknowledged the Russian government was behind it and explicitly supported Trump and would actively participate in helping him, maybe THEN I'd say ok that's collusion."
Seems like some of your definition goal posts keep shifting.
I agree with you that he colluded, by the definition of it. I think too many in the media associate "collusion" with "treason" though. If Donald Jr "Colluded" with the Russians, then the DNC "Colluded" with CNN to tilt the debates in HRC's favor.
I can also agree with CCTAU, in that I believe that this was someone from the Trump campaign attempting to get some dirt on an opponent. And I don't think that trying to get dirt on someone is treason.
I agree with WE!!! in that DTJr is a dumbass.
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At the very least, if you are Trump Jr., you should know better than to meet with someone representing a foreign government that has dirt from "high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia" on a former US Secretary of State. That should be a no-no.
Is it illegal? I don't think so.
But it was stupid.
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Do you think it's treason?
No. It is collusion and perjury though.
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June 7th New Jersey primary victory speech: "I am going to give a major speech on probably Monday of next week (June 12th) and we’re going to be discussing all of the things that have taken place with the Clintons. I think you’re going to find it very informative and very, very interesting."
June 9th Trump was at his HQ in Trump Tower...as well as Trump Jr., Kushner, Manafort, Goldstone, and the Russian lawyer "acting on behalf of the Russian Government".
Like I said, Trump knew about the meeting beforehand and was either at said meeting or was being fed information through one of his three top aides.
Also, they've all denied ever having that meeting, that was until the New York Times was going to publish it. Then, Trump Jr. sent out the tweet with all of the emails the night before.
Funny how that works isn't it. EmailGate2.0?
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Serious indulgement.
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I consider the entire email conversation, especially in light of the highlighted portion, collusion.
I consider this to be lying about said collusion.
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You're wrong.
Nothing more needed.
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No. It is collusion and perjury though.
I can understand you calling it collusion, but I'm not sure I'd call it perjury, though.
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I can understand you calling it collusion, but I'm not sure I'd call it perjury, though.
He doesn't know what either means.
To "collude" you actually have to both make some sort of exchange and act upon it.
Even if they met with the Russians and were handed photos of Hillary having carnal canine relations with a Doberman, unless those photos were used to achieve some unfair advantage and unless the use provided a mutual benefit there IS NO COLLUSION.
A discovery meeting that yielded nothing does not meet the standard.
I'm really surprised at how easily so many of you have been drawn into the media's hysterical, breathless reshaping of the discussion.
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I think this is one of the better articles I've read about the Trump Jr Emails...
http://legalinsurrection.com/2017/07/trump-jr-emails-show-amateurishness-but-not-collusion-or-illegality/#sthash.Tq5J8VFl.uxfs
Trump Jr. emails show amateurishness, but not “collusion†or illegality
Posted by William A. Jacobson Tuesday, July 11, 2017 at 2:00pm
The NY Times has an article today about email exchanges between Donald Trump Jr. and a person setting up a meeting with a Russian lawyer promising damaging documents and information about Hillary Clinton’s connections to Russia.
In a preemptive move, Trump Jr. published the email exchange on Twitter (here and here) just before the Times published its story.
The emails are highly embarrassing and politically damaging, but as usual, the media and other Trump opponents are overstating the case. The media overstating the case and popping the champagne corks are probably the best things Trump Jr. and the Trump administration have going for them.
The emails show no actual evidence of “collusion†or illegality. There is nothing indicating the information to be offered was stolen or otherwise improperly obtained, or that other than being willing to listen, the Trump campaign was involved in how the information was obtained. To the contrary, the promised information was “official records and information.â€
This also took place prior to the hack of the DNC being publicly known, so there was no reason to suspect that this was hacked information. Notice how the narrative has changed from the Trump campaign colluding with the Russians to “hack the election†to the Trump campaign being willing to have a meeting with someone who may have damaging oppo research.
And of course, there was no there there. There’s no indication any information actually existed.
Trump Jr. displayed incredible amateurishness in how this was handled. There isn’t any doubt that the Clinton campaign, if offered “official records and information†showing improper Trump dealings with the Russians would have taken the meeting. But her campaign would have been savvy enough to do it through surrogates and allies, and to provide key players with deniability and distance. We know this because in January 2017 Politico reported that the Ukrainian government helped Hillary with opposition research on Trump, but she did it though “allies.â€
Trump Jr., by contrast, took the bait, and brought others from the inner circle into it. In so doing, he provided seeming confirmation for a preexisting narrative. Even if the actual emails don’t show it.
The lack of suspicion of someone who approaches with such a promise is quite astounding. I’m always suspicious of unsolicited tips and contacts. Is this person for real, am I being set up, and so on, immediately run through my mind. That appears not to have been the case for Trump Jr. here. If, as intelligence officials have stated before, the goal of the Russians was to disrupt the U.S. political environment, it didn’t matter whether there actually was damaging information on Hillary — Trump Jr. merely taking the meeting was the hook the Russians had into a later disruption.
So my overall take on this is that the Trump Jr. emails show amateurishness, but not collusion or illegality.
I explained my position on the Tony Katz Show earlier today.
My take is not the collective narrative, but the collective narrative repeatedly has gotten ahead of itself and the actual evidence.
Here are some key excerpts from the NY Times article, including some portions that are largely ignored in the media frenzy, Russian Dirt on Clinton? ‘I Love It,’ Donald Trump Jr. Said
The June 3, 2016, email sent to Donald Trump Jr. could hardly have been more explicit: One of his father’s former Russian business partners had been contacted by a senior Russian government official and was offering to provide the Trump campaign with dirt on Hillary Clinton.
The documents “would incriminate Hillary and her dealings with Russia and would be very useful to your father,†read the email, written by a trusted intermediary, who added, “This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government’s support for Mr. Trump.†…
He replied within minutes: “If it’s what you say I love it especially later in the summer.â€
Four days later, after a flurry of emails, the intermediary wrote back, proposing a meeting in New York on Thursday with a “Russian government attorney.â€
Donald Trump Jr. agreed, adding that he would likely bring along “Paul Manafort (campaign boss)†and “my brother-in-law,†Jared Kushner, now one of the president’s closest White House advisers….
The precise nature of the promised damaging information about Mrs. Clinton is unclear, and there is no evidence to suggest that it was related to Russian-government computer hacking that led to the release of thousands of Democratic National Committee emails….
The back story to the June 9 meeting involves an eclectic cast of characters the Trump family knew from its business dealings in Moscow.
The initial email outreach came from Rob Goldstone, a British-born former tabloid reporter and entertainment publicist who first met the future president when the Trump Organization was attempting to do business in Russia.
In the June 3 email, Mr. Goldstone told Donald J. Trump Jr. that he was writing on behalf of a mutual friend, one of Russia’s biggest pop music stars, Emin Agalarov. Emin, who professionally uses his first name only, is the son of Aras Agalarov, a real estate tycoon sometimes called the “Donald Trump of Russia.â€
The elder Agalarov boasts close ties to Mr. Putin: his company has won several large state building contracts, and Mr. Putin awarded him the “Order of Honor of the Russian Federation.†…
Mr. Kushner recently disclosed the fact of the meeting, though not the content, in a revised form on which all those seeking top secret security clearances are required to list contacts with foreign government officials and their representatives. The Times reported in April that he had failed to list a number of Russian contacts, which his lawyer called an error.
Mr. Manafort also disclosed that a meeting had occurred, and that Donald Trump Jr. had organized it, in response to one of the Russia-related congressional investigations.
Trump Jr.’s lawyer issued the following statement:
https://twitter.com/jaketapper/status/884599737101545473
Was this “collusion� That’s not a legal term, and it depends on how you want to define collusion. Mirriam-Webster‘s definition is: “secret agreement or cooperation especially for an illegal or deceitful purpose.†Based on the emails, the purpose was not for an illegal or deceitful purpose, it was to expose allegedly improper conduct by a political opponent. But “collusion†is so ill-defined, that the media is running wild with it, and as usual, overstating the case:
"Just got a call from Sergei Colludnikov, who wants to collude with you and your father's campaign. Wanna meet him at Collude Plaza?"
— Christopher Hayes (@chrislhayes) July 11, 2017
THERE IS LITERALLY AN EMAIL WHERE RUSSIA OFFERS TO COLLUDE WITH THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN AND TRUMP JR SAYS ABSOLUTELY LETS SET UP A MEETING
— Judd Legum (@JuddLegum) July 11, 2017
Under what definition of collusion, is this not an attempt at collusion? https://t.co/cLu4PUrJ2I
— David Corn (@DavidCornDC) July 11, 2017
This NYT bombshell is just devastating. It means that Don Trump Jr. knew of Russian efforts to interfere in our election–and welcomed them.
— Nicholas Kristof (@NickKristof) July 11, 2017
Don’t think for a second the media or other Trump opponents actually care about the substance of Trump Jr.’s emails or meeting. If they actually cared about collusion with foreign governments, the January 2017 Politico report on actual collusion between Clinton allies and the Ukrainians would not have gone down the media memory hole.
I don’t underestimate the potential political damage from this. It breathes new life into the attempt to delegitimize Trump’s victory.
Perhaps had this not come after a year of mostly false and anonymous stories that have been serially debunked over time, it would have more legs.
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Think Trump will frame the upcoming Time Magazine cover (the real cover not like the fake one he framed of himself)?
(https://timedotcom.files.wordpress.com/2017/07/juniorcoverfinal.jpg?quality=85&w=280)
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Think Trump will frame the upcoming Time Magazine cover (the real cover not like the fake one he framed of himself)?
(https://timedotcom.files.wordpress.com/2017/07/juniorcoverfinal.jpg?quality=85&w=280)
Think you'll pull bernies dildo out of your ass and brush your teeth with it?
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I'd rather listen to Comedians talk about politics than mainstream media (I grew up watching one of my favorite comedians, George Carlin).
https://youtu.be/VSuD7gMQ0x4
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I'd rather listen to Comedians talk about politics than mainstream media (I grew up watching one of my favorite comedians, George Carlin).
https://youtu.be/VSuD7gMQ0x4
People that get their political talking points from entertainers is what is wrong with America...
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People that get their political talking points from entertainers is what is wrong with America...
I'd rather get my talking points from someone that actually does research on them, instead of from the mainstream media talking heads.
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Back to the #RussianCollusionGate
Like Kaos said "the meeting was nothing"...nothing compared to what's coming.
https://www.google.com/amp/www.nydailynews.com/amp/news/politics/house-dems-demand-info-doj-settlement-russian-lawyer-article-1.3321728
"The case against Prevezon was brought by then Manhattan U.S. Attorney Preet Bharara in 2013. (After the money laundering was discovered by Segei Magnitsky).
The case settled just two days before trial earlier this year — after Bharara was fired by Trump."
Pieces are coming together. And it's looking like anyone associated with Trump will somehow get caught up in it.
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Back to the #RussianCollusionGate
Like Kaos said "the meeting was nothing"...nothing compared to what's coming.
https://www.google.com/amp/www.nydailynews.com/amp/news/politics/house-dems-demand-info-doj-settlement-russian-lawyer-article-1.3321728
"The case against Prevezon was brought by then Manhattan U.S. Attorney Preet Bharara in 2013. (After the money laundering was discovered by Segei Magnitsky).
The case settled just two days before trial earlier this year — after Bharara was fired by Trump."
Pieces are coming together. And it's looking like anyone associated with Trump will somehow get caught up in it.
You're a fucking loon.
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You're a fucking loon.
He's just talking to himself at this point. He's about 0-23 so far.
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He's just talking to himself at this point. He's about 0-23 so far.
Wait just a gall darn minute. What about the underage hookers and blow?
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Wait just a gall darn minute. What about the underage hookers and blow?
...and golden showers.
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I can take about an hour on the tower of power, as long as I gets a little golden shower.
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Back to the #RussianCollusionGate
Pieces are coming together. And it's looking like anyone associated with Trump will somehow get caught up in it.
Let's pray they don't pick up kaos.
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You're a fucking loon.
Funny how Trump has gone from "Russia collusion is Fake News/Witchhunt" to "Can I pardon myself and family from the investigation?" in the matter of a week.
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Funny how Trump has gone from "Russia collusion is Fake News/Witchhunt" to "Can I pardon myself and family from the investigation?" in the matter of a week.
Funny how that's not happening.
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Funny how that's not happening.
Sadly, it is.
About the pardoning business. The only President to have approval numbers as low as Trump's, was Gerald Ford. The reason why his number was so low was mainly because he had just pardoned Nixon...and this is suppose to be the "honeymoon phase".
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Sadly, it is.
About the pardoning business. The only President to have approval numbers as low as Trump's, was Gerald Ford. The reason why his number was so low was mainly because he had just pardoned Nixon...and this is suppose to be the "honeymoon phase".
Still funny how that is not happening!
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Trump supporters 6 months ago:
“There were no meetings with any Russians.â€
Trump supporters 3 months ago:
“They just forgot to report the meetings with Russians.â€
Trump supporters last week:
"There's no evidence of collusion with Russia!!"
Trump supporters 3 days ago:
"Who cares if the Trump campaign colluded with Russia?"
Trump supporters yesterday:
“It’s Obama’s fault for not stopping the meetings with Russians.â€
Trump’s lawyer Jay Sekulow today:
“It’s the Secret Service’s fault for not stopping the meeting with Russians.â€
Trump supporters tomorrow:
“Трамп ÑобираетÑÑ Ñделать РоÑÑию велик."
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Still more relevant:
Squirrel Stew
"This slow-cooked squirrel is a no brainer for a first-time cooker of squirrel. My husband and 2 sons were very impressed as if I had been making this dish my entire life. The meat will fall off the bone."
Ingredients
1 onion, cut into chunks
2 cups baby carrots
4 large potatoes, cut into small chunks
1 large green bell pepper, cut into chunks
2 cloves garlic
4 cubes chicken bouillon
salt and pepper to taste
3 squirrels - skinned, gutted, and cut into pieces
water to cover
2 tablespoons flour
Directions
Place the onion, carrots, potatoes, bell pepper, garlic, chicken bouillon, salt, and pepper in a slow cooker. Lay the squirrel meat on top of the vegetable mixture. Pour enough water over the mixture to cover completely. Cover and cook on HIGH 6 hours. Stir the flour into the mixture and cook another 2 hours.
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I just bought 1000 acres in Russia right next to the fucking Kremlin.
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I just bought 1000 acres in Russia right next to the fucking Kremlin.
On the good side.
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Where sissies been?
Please enjoy recipe from old country.
Beef Stew Russian Style
The Russian roast beef is traditionally stewed in a clay pot in the oven. It is often recommended to sear the meat first in order to get a nice crust. It makes the meat really juicy and tasty. The selection of vegetables can vary according to season and mood. In Russia, root vegetables such as carrots and celery are quite common. Whole grain rye bread used in this recipe gives the dish a special flavor. Potatoes can be served separately or braised with meat in the oven.
Ingredients
600-800 g (=1.3-1.7 lb) beef
3 onions
1 carrot
1 celery (root)
2 slices rye bread
150 g (=5.3 oz) bacon
50 g (=3.5 tbsp) butter
500 ml (=2.2 cups) stock
100 ml (=0.4 cup) sour cream
4-6 potatoes
peppercorns, bay leaves
flour, salt
fresh parsley
Directions
Cut beef into slices, season with salt, dredge in flour and sear on both sides until a nice brown crust forms.
Finely chop onions, carrot and celery.
Cut bread into small pieces and combine with vegetables. Add bay leaf, peppercorns and season with salt.
Line bottom of a casserole dish with bacon slices. Layer some meat, follow with a layer of vegetable-bread mixture. Repeat. Pour stock into the casserole dish, just enough to cover the second meat layer, no more. The whole thing shouldn’t swim! Bring to low boil over medium heat and take off heat.
Preheat oven to 100C/212F, cover and bake for about two hours. Add sour cream and bake for another half an hour. Sprinkle with parsley shortly before serving.
Peel and boil potatoes. Serve as side dish.
The following variation is especially popular in Russia on special occasions:
Prepare and serve beef stew in small clay pots. In this case cook potatoes in the pots together with the rest.
This beef stew is often cooked for different celebrations.
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OMG...now the Russians are colluding on the recipes.
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Where sissies been?
Please enjoy recipe from old country.
Beef Stew Russian Style
The Russian roast beef is traditionally stewed in a clay pot in the oven. It is often recommended to sear the meat first in order to get a nice crust. It makes the meat really juicy and tasty. The selection of vegetables can vary according to season and mood. In Russia, root vegetables such as carrots and celery are quite common. Whole grain rye bread used in this recipe gives the dish a special flavor. Potatoes can be served separately or braised with meat in the oven.
Ingredients
600-800 g (=1.3-1.7 lb) beef
3 onions
1 carrot
1 celery (root)
2 slices rye bread
150 g (=5.3 oz) bacon
50 g (=3.5 tbsp) butter
500 ml (=2.2 cups) stock
100 ml (=0.4 cup) sour cream
4-6 potatoes
peppercorns, bay leaves
flour, salt
fresh parsley
Directions
Cut beef into slices, season with salt, dredge in flour and sear on both sides until a nice brown crust forms.
Finely chop onions, carrot and celery.
Cut bread into small pieces and combine with vegetables. Add bay leaf, peppercorns and season with salt.
Line bottom of a casserole dish with bacon slices. Layer some meat, follow with a layer of vegetable-bread mixture. Repeat. Pour stock into the casserole dish, just enough to cover the second meat layer, no more. The whole thing shouldn’t swim! Bring to low boil over medium heat and take off heat.
Preheat oven to 100C/212F, cover and bake for about two hours. Add sour cream and bake for another half an hour. Sprinkle with parsley shortly before serving.
Peel and boil potatoes. Serve as side dish.
The following variation is especially popular in Russia on special occasions:
Prepare and serve beef stew in small clay pots. In this case cook potatoes in the pots together with the rest.
This beef stew is often cooked for different celebrations.
Y'all admit it. When you read this you did it in your best Russian accent in your head. Then. You amazingly wrote it down in Russian. We've all just been activated.
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Y'all admit it. When you read this you did it in your best Russian accent in your head. Then. You amazingly wrote it down in Russian. We've all just been activated.
Real Russians don't say y'all.
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Real Russians don't say y'all.
Nothing is real...
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Y'all admit it. When you read this you did it in your best Russian accent in your head. Then. You amazingly wrote it down in Russian. We've all just been activated.
Guilty!
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Y'all admit it. When you read this you did it in your best Russian accent in your head.
No.
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Interesting rumblings on Awan arrest and DNC emails.
(http://d2ws0xxnnorfdo.cloudfront.net/meme/535672)
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Real Russians don't say y'all.
Nyet
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-dictated-sons-misleading-statement-on-meeting-with-russian-lawyer/2017/07/31/04c94f96-73ae-11e7-8f39-eeb7d3a2d304_story.html?hpid=hp_rhp-top-table-main_airforceone-759pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&tid=a_inl&utm_term=.74cb8d1c91a9
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-dictated-sons-misleading-statement-on-meeting-with-russian-lawyer/2017/07/31/04c94f96-73ae-11e7-8f39-eeb7d3a2d304_story.html?hpid=hp_rhp-top-table-main_airforceone-759pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&tid=a_inl&utm_term=.74cb8d1c91a9
thanks Scoop.
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I'm sure this happens all the time with "witchhunts" and "nothing burgers"...
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/08/03/special-counsel-robert-mueller-impanels-grand-jury-russia-investigation-intensifies-reports-say/537839001/
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To tie the Improved Clinch knot, a.k.a the Fisherman’s knot, follow these steps
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I'm sure this happens all the time with "witchhunts" and "nothing burgers"...
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/08/03/special-counsel-robert-mueller-impanels-grand-jury-russia-investigation-intensifies-reports-say/537839001/
It does. You just don't understand the process. It also tells me that we are near a resolution on this whole thing at least.
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It does. You just don't understand the process. It also tells me that we are near a resolution on this whole thing at least.
Correct. It would have been much more shocking news if he had NOT gotten a grand jury involved. This is pretty common.
And the factually correct headline should have been "Mueller impanels grand jury". Period.
But they insist on the obligatory click bait lingo of "as investigation intensifies reports say".
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Correct. It would have been much more shocking news if he had NOT gotten a grand jury involved. This is pretty common.
And the factually correct headline should have been "Mueller impanels grand jury". Period.
But they insist on the obligatory click bait lingo of "as investigation intensifies reports say".
Well "reports say". Do you need a more definitive source than that?
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Prowler. Thoughts?
http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/355749-fbi-uncovered-russian-bribery-plot-before-obama-administration
FBI uncovered Russian bribery plot before Obama administration approved controversial nuclear deal with Moscow
BY JOHN SOLOMON AND ALISON SPANN - 10/17/17 06:00 AM EDT 8,632
65,589
Before the Obama administration approved a controversial deal in 2010 giving Moscow control of a large swath of American uranium, the FBI had gathered substantial evidence that Russian nuclear industry officials were engaged in bribery, kickbacks, extortion and money laundering designed to grow Vladimir Putin’s atomic energy business inside the United States, according to government documents and interviews.
Federal agents used a confidential U.S. witness working inside the Russian nuclear industry to gather extensive financial records, make secret recordings and intercept emails as early as 2009 that showed Moscow had compromised an American uranium trucking firm with bribes and kickbacks in violation of the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act, FBI and court documents show.
They also obtained an eyewitness account — backed by documents — indicating Russian nuclear officials had routed millions of dollars to the U.S. designed to benefit former President Bill Clinton’s charitable foundation during the time Secretary of State Hillary Clinton served on a government body that provided a favorable decision to Moscow, sources told The Hill.
The racketeering scheme was conducted “with the consent of higher level officials†in Russia who “shared the proceeds†from the kickbacks, one agent declared in an affidavit years later.
Rather than bring immediate charges in 2010, however, the Department of Justice (DOJ) continued investigating the matter for nearly four more years, essentially leaving the American public and Congress in the dark about Russian nuclear corruption on U.S. soil during a period when the Obama administration made two major decisions benefiting Putin’s commercial nuclear ambitions.
The first decision occurred in October 2010, when the State Department and government agencies on the Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States unanimously approved the partial sale of Canadian mining company Uranium One to the Russian nuclear giant Rosatom, giving Moscow control of more than 20 percent of America’s uranium supply.
When this sale was used by Trump on the campaign trail last year, Hillary Clinton’s spokesman said she was not involved in the committee review and noted the State Department official who handled it said she “never intervened ... on any [Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States] matter.â€
In 2011, the administration gave approval for Rosatom’s Tenex subsidiary to sell commercial uranium to U.S. nuclear power plants in a partnership with the United States Enrichment Corp. Before then, Tenex had been limited to selling U.S. nuclear power plants reprocessed uranium recovered from dismantled Soviet nuclear weapons under the 1990s Megatons to Megawatts peace program.
“The Russians were compromising American contractors in the nuclear industry with kickbacks and extortion threats, all of which raised legitimate national security concerns. And none of that evidence got aired before the Obama administration made those decisions,†a person who worked on the case told The Hill, speaking on condition of anonymity for fear of retribution by U.S. or Russian officials.
The Obama administration’s decision to approve Rosatom’s purchase of Uranium One has been a source of political controversy since 2015.
That’s when conservative author Peter Schweitzer and The New York Times documented how Bill Clinton collected hundreds of thousands of dollars in Russian speaking fees and his charitable foundation collected millions in donations from parties interested in the deal while Hillary Clinton presided on the Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States.
The Obama administration and the Clintons defended their actions at the time, insisting there was no evidence that any Russians or donors engaged in wrongdoing and there was no national security reason for any member of the committee to oppose the Uranium One deal.
But FBI, Energy Department and court documents reviewed by The Hill show the FBI in fact had gathered substantial evidence well before the committee’s decision that Vadim Mikerin — the main Russian overseeing Putin’s nuclear expansion inside the United States — was engaged in wrongdoing starting in 2009.
Then-Attorney General Eric Holder was among the Obama administration officials joining Hillary Clinton on the Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States at the time the Uranium One deal was approved. Multiple current and former government officials told The Hill they did not know whether the FBI or DOJ ever alerted committee members to the criminal activity they uncovered.
Spokesmen for Holder and Clinton did not return calls seeking comment. The Justice Department also didn’t comment.
Mikerin was a director of Rosatom’s Tenex in Moscow since the early 2000s, where he oversaw Rosatom’s nuclear collaboration with the United States under the Megatons to Megwatts program and its commercial uranium sales to other countries. In 2010, Mikerin was dispatched to the U.S. on a work visa approved by the Obama administration to open Rosatom’s new American arm called Tenam.
Between 2009 and January 2012, Mikerin “did knowingly and willfully combine, conspire confederate and agree with other persons … to obstruct, delay and affect commerce and the movement of an article and commodity (enriched uranium) in commerce by extortion,†a November 2014 indictment stated.
His illegal conduct was captured with the help of a confidential witness, an American businessman, who began making kickback payments at Mikerin’s direction and with the permission of the FBI. The first kickback payment recorded by the FBI through its informant was dated Nov. 27, 2009, the records show.
In evidentiary affidavits signed in 2014 and 2015, an Energy Department agent assigned to assist the FBI in the case testified that Mikerin supervised a “racketeering scheme†that involved extortion, bribery, money laundering and kickbacks that were both directed by and provided benefit to more senior officials back in Russia.
“As part of the scheme, Mikerin, with the consent of higher level officials at TENEX and Rosatom (both Russian state-owned entities) would offer no-bid contracts to US businesses in exchange for kickbacks in the form of money payments made to some offshore banks accounts,†Agent David Gadren testified.
“Mikerin apparently then shared the proceeds with other co-conspirators associated with TENEX in Russia and elsewhere,†the agent added.
The investigation was ultimately supervised by then-U.S. Attorney Rod Rosenstein, an Obama appointee who now serves as President Trump’s deputy attorney general, and then-Assistant FBI Director Andrew McCabe, now the deputy FBI director under Trump, Justice Department documents show.
Both men now play a key role in the current investigation into possible, but still unproven, collusion between Russia and Donald Trump’s campaign during the 2016 election cycle. McCabe is under congressional and Justice Department inspector general investigation in connection with money his wife’s Virginia state Senate campaign accepted in 2015 from now-Virginia Gov. Terry McAuliffe at a time when McAuliffe was reportedly under investigation by the FBI.
The connections to the current Russia case are many. The Mikerin probe began in 2009 when Robert Mueller, now the special counsel in charge of the Trump case, was still FBI director. And it ended in late 2015 under the direction of then-FBI Director James Comey, whom Trump fired earlier this year.
Its many twist and turns aside, the FBI nuclear industry case proved a gold mine, in part because it uncovered a new Russian money laundering apparatus that routed bribe and kickback payments through financial instruments in Cyprus, Latvia and Seychelles. A Russian financier in New Jersey was among those arrested for the money laundering, court records show.
The case also exposed a serious national security breach: Mikerin had given a contract to an American trucking firm called Transport Logistics International that held the sensitive job of transporting Russia’s uranium around the United States in return for more than $2 million in kickbacks from some of its executives, court records show.
One of Mikerin’s former employees told the FBI that Tenex officials in Russia specifically directed the scheme to “allow for padded pricing to include kickbacks,†agents testified in one court filing.
Bringing down a major Russian nuclear corruption scheme that had both compromised a sensitive uranium transportation asset inside the U.S. and facilitated international money laundering would seem a major feather in any law enforcement agency’s cap.
But the Justice Department and FBI took little credit in 2014 when Mikerin, the Russian financier and the trucking firm executives were arrested and charged.
The only public statement occurred a year later when the Justice Department put out a little-noticed press release in August 2015, just days before Labor Day. The release noted that the various defendants had reached plea deals.
By that time, the criminal cases against Mikerin had been narrowed to a single charge of money laundering for a scheme that officials admitted stretched from 2004 to 2014. And though agents had evidence of criminal wrongdoing they collected since at least 2009, federal prosecutors only cited in the plea agreement a handful of transactions that occurred in 2011 and 2012, well after the Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States’s approval.
The final court case also made no mention of any connection to the influence peddling conversations the FBI undercover informant witnessed about the Russian nuclear officials trying to ingratiate themselves with the Clintons even though agents had gathered documents showing the transmission of millions of dollars from Russia’s nuclear industry to an American entity that had provided assistance to Bill Clinton’s foundation, sources confirmed to The Hill.
The lack of fanfare left many key players in Washington with no inkling that a major Russian nuclear corruption scheme with serious national security implications had been uncovered.
On Dec. 15, 2015, the Justice Department put out a release stating that Mikerin, “a former Russian official residing in Maryland was sentenced today to 48 months in prison†and ordered to forfeit more than $2.1 million.
Ronald Hosko, who served as the assistant FBI director in charge of criminal cases when the investigation was underway, told The Hill he did not recall ever being briefed about Mikerin’s case by the counterintelligence side of the bureau despite the criminal charges that were being lodged.
“I had no idea this case was being conducted,†a surprised Hosko said in an interview.
Likewise, major congressional figures were also kept in the dark.
Former Rep. Mike Rogers (R-Mich.), who chaired the House Intelligence Committee during the time the FBI probe was being conducted, told The Hill that he had never been told anything about the Russian nuclear corruption case even though many fellow lawmakers had serious concerns about the Obama administration’s approval of the Uranium One deal.
“Not providing information on a corruption scheme before the Russian uranium deal was approved by U.S. regulators and engage appropriate congressional committees has served to undermine U.S. national security interests by the very people charged with protecting them,†he said. “The Russian efforts to manipulate our American political enterprise is breathtaking.â€
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Prowler's thoughts?
"The investigation into Trump is ongoing."
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Prowler's thoughts?
"The investigation into Trump is ongoing."
Maybe you need to read google! Do some research you trumptard dorito skinned jerk!
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Prowler. Thoughts?
http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/355749-fbi-uncovered-russian-bribery-plot-before-obama-administration
Only Orange Trumph is guilty you stupid right wing,fuck!
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Weinstein and Clinton Foundations FTW!
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Looks like things are about to get interesting for the FBI, DOJ and previous admin. Just waiting for the special council to finish their investigation too...wait...what?
#allcrooks
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Looks like things are about to get interesting for the FBI, DOJ and previous admin. Just waiting for the special council to finish their investigation too...wait...what?
#allcrooks
Funny how this has all went down. Some forget not to throw rocks in a glass house. The real corrupt criminals accusing and putting others on trial over nothing. It's like the good ole days in the rural south again.
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Funny how this has all went down. Some forget not to throw rocks in a glass house. The real corrupt criminals accusing and putting others on trial over nothing. It's like the good ole days in the rural south again.
Even if it is proven that the great ONE was totally complicit in this and guilty as hell, do you think they could put the first black president in jail?
The rioting would be off the charts. Kenya is a loved nationality among the left!
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Even it it is proven that the great ONE was totally complicit in this and guilty as hell, do you think they could put the first black president in jail?
The rioting would be off the charts. Kenya is a loved nationality among the left!
But is it a shithole?
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But is it a shithole?
More importantly, did he stick it in a pornstar's shithole? We need the facts of what really matters here.
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More importantly, did he stick it in a pornstar's shithole? We need the facts of what really matters here.
Prowler was there in the room. Must have happened. Skreets.
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More importantly, did he stick it in a pornstar's shithole? We need the facts of what really matters here.
^^This^^
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So the Mueller "investigation" was never really about Russia huh...
I'm shocked....
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This is what you get when you piss off the Clintons and then make the mistake of hiring a puss as Attorney General.
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So the Mueller "investigation" was never really about Russia huh...
I'm shocked....
It's about everything...not just Russia. Mueller is putting together the case against Trump that's going to look like a set of Encyclopedia Britannicas.
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It's about everything...not just Russia. Mueller is putting together the case against Trump that's going to look like a set of Encyclopedia Britannicas.
He wasn't appointed to investigate "everything". He was appointed in May of 2017 to investigate possible Russian interference in the Presidential election and probe any ties between the Trump campaign and Russia.
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He wasn't appointed to investigate "everything". He was appointed in May of 2017 to investigate possible Russian interference in the Presidential election and probe any ties between the Trump campaign and Russia.
Details...schmetails.
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So the Mueller "investigation" was never really about Russia huh...
I'm shocked....
Mueller didn't order the raid. He referred something he found (presumably indicia of a crime) to the US Attorney for the SDNY. That Attorney decided to pursue his own investigation. There are, as of now, two independent investigations happening.
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Mueller didn't order the raid. He referred something he found (presumably indicia of a crime) to the US Attorney for the SDNY. That Attorney decided to pursue his own investigation. There are, as of now, two independent investigations happening.
ho hum...russia, russia...absolutely nothing...stormy daniels...hmmm...get him boys
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Kind of a slippery slope to give Mueller authority to investigate an issue that's limited in scope, when the reality is he has carte blanche to dig into whatever he wants in order to nail the President. The fact that he's using a proxy to do his dirty work makes little difference.
They'll get Cohen on something. In fact, I've thought his payment to the porn queen violated campaign finance laws all along. Yuge argument to be made for that. But, if they start using privileged communications to go after Trump, this will get really ugly on all fronts.
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ho hum...russia, russia...absolutely nothing...stormy daniels...hmmm...get him boys
The Russia investigation is ongoing. As for the Stormy Daniels and another woman...it's not the act that's the issue, it's the cover up.
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The Russia investigation is ongoing. As for the Stormy Daniels and another woman...it's not the act that's the issue, it's the cover up.
Wrong again.
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The Russia investigation is ongoing. As for the Stormy Daniels and another woman...it's not the act that's the issue, it's the cover up.
I don't know that there's been any cover up that would constitute anything illegal. Hypothetically, if Trump wanted to pay these two hurs himself to, A.) Keep getting his knob schlobbed a private matter and away from his hot wife, and/or, 2.) Keep them from going public during the campaign...then whatever. That's his business and strictly a moral issue. But, if his lawyer did in fact, take care of the $130K payment for the purpose of keeping Stormy quiet during the campaign, I think it can be argued that this is in violation of campaign finance laws. That would strictly be Cohen's problem.
You have two hurs here. One had no agreement (That I know of) to keep quiet. She sold her story about polishing the Trump Tower to The Enquirer for $150K. The CEO of said rag is tight with Trump so he sat on the story. Said Playboy hur got pissed and still went public and I believe also sued The Enquirer. Second pern hur played the Trump skin flute and the story to this point is that Cohen paid her off for a non-disclosure agreement, which she's completely ignored. Since the story is out, he ought to drag her ass to Court.
My opinion on what's going to come of it is they'll ultimately find that Cohen was falling on the sword for Trump, but The Donald was the one that financed the deal and just had Cohen draw up zee papers. If that's the case, then it's move along, nothing to see here.
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Cohen's law firm, Squire Patton Boggs, is also used by Cambridge Analytical.
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Having said all that above, Yo Wes, chime in and tell me if I'm full of shit. Just on my take, not in general.
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I didn't know that they raided Cohen's apartment and his house too...and that Mueller's team was meeting with Trump's legal team at around the same time as the raid.
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Cohen's law firm, Squire Patton Boggs, is also used by Cambridge Analytical.
And Obama also used Cambridge extensively. So?
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I don't know that there's been any cover up that would constitute anything illegal. Hypothetically, if Trump wanted to pay these two hurs himself to, A.) Keep getting his knob schlobbed a private matter and away from his hot wife, and/or, 2.) Keep them from going public during the campaign...then whatever. That's his business and strictly a moral issue. But, if his lawyer did in fact, take care of the $130K payment for the purpose of keeping Stormy quiet during the campaign, I think it can be argued that this is in violation of campaign finance laws. That would strictly be Cohen's problem.
You have two hurs here. One had no agreement (That I know of) to keep quiet. She sold her story about polishing the Trump Tower to The Enquirer for $150K. The CEO of said rag is tight with Trump so he sat on the story. Said Playboy hur got pissed and still went public and I believe also sued The Enquirer. Second pern hur played the Trump skin flute and the story to this point is that Cohen paid her off for a non-disclosure agreement, which she's completely ignored. Since the story is out, he ought to drag her ass to Court.
My opinion on what's going to come of it is they'll ultimately find that Cohen was falling on the sword for Trump, but The Donald was the one that financed the deal and just had Cohen draw up zee papers. If that's the case, then it's move along, nothing to see here.
There's never been anything to see.
Trump is right. Witch hunt. The establishment didn't want him to win (both parties) and they are doing their best to destroy him.
Everything he's doing is working, though. Every decision he makes is the right one for the country. I admire the man for keeping his head on, his head straight and doing the damn job. He's the anti-Obama so far, thank God.
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The raids were also looking into information involving Trump and Cohen's communication about the Access Hollywood tape.
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There's never been anything to see.
Trump is right. Witch hunt. The establishment didn't want him to win (both parties) and they are doing their best to destroy him.
Everything he's doing is working, though. Every decision he makes is the right one for the country. I admire the man for keeping his head on, his head straight and doing the damn job. He's the anti-Obama so far, thank God.
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Mueller didn't order the raid. He referred something he found (presumably indicia of a crime) to the US Attorney for the SDNY. That Attorney decided to pursue his own investigation. There are, as of now, two independent investigations happening.
The raids were also looking into information involving Trump and Cohen's communication about the Access Hollywood tape.
I'm shocked...shocked I tell you.
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I'm shocked...shocked I tell you.
Shocked to know that the FBI also seized Cohen's taped conversations or that other people were paid hush money? It's possible they were looking for a particular conversation or two between Cohen and Trump regarding Stormy Daniels (one that might've involved something about her being threatened or about hush money to her and someone else).
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Shocked to know that the FBI also seized Cohen's taped conversations or that other people were paid hush money? It's possible they were looking for a particular conversation or two between Cohen and Trump regarding Stormy Daniels (one that might've involved something about her being threatened or about hush money to her and someone else).
You're still part of the problem.
If you'd dig your head out of your peanut butt you'd realize Trump is doing a fantastic job as president. He's knocking it completely out of the park. All of this nonsense from Mueller, Comey and the rest is nothing but white noise intended to distract from just how freaking awesome he's doing.
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Shocked to know that the FBI also seized Cohen's taped conversations or that other people were paid hush money? It's possible they were looking for a particular conversation or two between Cohen and Trump regarding Stormy Daniels (one that might've involved something about her being threatened or about hush money to her and someone else).
Shocked to know that the guy that was hired to investigate collusion with Russia to to interfere in our election is now worried about hush money to a porn star or grabbing someone by the pussy. Seems like a bit of a let down after we were promised that Trump stole the White House with Russian help.
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But, if his lawyer did in fact, take care of the $130K payment for the purpose of keeping Stormy quiet during the campaign, I think it can be argued that this is in violation of campaign finance laws. That would strictly be Cohen's problem.
To believe that it's solely Cohen's problem you have to presume that Cohen, of his own volition and without discussing the matter with DT, took it upon himself to pay off Daniels. With the presidential election looming.
I'm a nice guy and I look out for my clients, but I'm not volunteering that chunk of cheddar out of my pocket unbeknownst to my client and without discussing the potential ramifications of said payment. Would you?
My opinion on what's going to come of it is they'll ultimately find that Cohen was falling on the sword for Trump, but The Donald was the one that financed the deal and just had Cohen draw up zee papers. If that's the case, then it's move along, nothing to see here.
Conspiracy to violate federal election laws.
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Conspiracy to violate federal election laws.
So we have moved on from Russia?
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To believe that it's solely Cohen's problem you have to presume that Cohen, of his own volition and without discussing the matter with DT, took it upon himself to pay off Daniels. With the presidential election looming.
I'm a nice guy and I look out for my clients, but I'm not volunteering that chunk of cheddar out of my pocket unbeknownst to my client and without discussing the potential ramifications of said payment. Would you?
Conspiracy to violate federal election laws.
Oh I agree. Like I said, I believe it all came from Trump through Cohen. Ultimately though, the question for me is that if Trump had just met with Stormy and paid her the hush money, would it then be nothing more than a moral issue for him and not cross over to the criminal realm? I can't say I'm well versed in campaign finance laws by any means, but I've heard a lot of talk on Cohen's alleged payment to her being a violation. His "covering" for Trump is far more of a problem than if Trump had given her $130 G's and said keep your cock gobbler closed.
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So we have moved on from Russia?
Long since moved on. My thoughts are that the whole Russia thing turned out to be a dead end so what's happening now is Mueller and Co. are going to systematically take down anyone close to Trump until they get to him. And they'll do it by any means necessary, whether it's illegally obtaining a FISA warrant or raiding an attorneys office to steal privileged information. The whole Russia investigation was never just about Russia. It was about taking down Donald Trump with anything they can find. They're just getting started.
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So we have moved on from Russia?
Two.
Separate.
Investigations.
Mueller =/= US ATTY SDNY
Mueller passed along indicia of a crime and the SDNY pursued it.
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Long since moved on. My thoughts are that the whole Russia thing turned out to be a dead end so what's happening now is Mueller and Co. are going to systematically take down anyone close to Trump until they get to him. And they'll do it by any means necessary, whether it's illegally obtaining a FISA warrant or raiding an attorneys office to steal privileged information. The whole Russia investigation was never just about Russia. It was about taking down Donald Trump with anything they can find. They're just getting started.
That's the problem.
There's a real difference between looking into an issue and having the agenda to find something, anything, anywhere to damage a man because the people pushing you don't like/fear him.
Apply this same scrutiny to Obama, Acorn, Rev. Wright and that jug-eared fool is sitting in prison somewhere and his water buffalo wife is up to 500 pounds snacking on pork skins and bean dip.
What is happening here is the classic definition of a witch hunt.
Take Comey. He's so ridiculously dumb that he's misconstruing simple quotes and using them to try to defame Trump.
This, for instance:
When the Hillary humping DNC financed that fake report that included allegations about Russian prostitutes (you know, the thing Prowler thinks is real) Trump demanded an investigation.
This is Comey's view:
"It bothered [President Trump] if there was 'even a one percent chance' his wife, Melania, thought it was true," Comey wrote,according to the New York Post (https://nypost.com/2018/04/12/comey-trump-asked-me-to-investigate-pee-tape-to-reassure-melania/). Later on, Comey mused: "In what kind of marriage, to what kind of man, does a spouse conclude there is only a 99 percent chance her husband didn’t do that?"
That's not what Trump meant AT ALL. Not that he thought she'd 99% believe it, but that if there was even the REMOTEST chance she thought it might have some credibility he wanted it debunked. Only a moron filled with binding hatred could hear than and conclude what he did.
Comey is a fool. Mueller is an overreaching activist. Every bit of their attack philosophy is wrong and if you defend it, so are you.
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Long since moved on. My thoughts are that the whole Russia thing turned out to be a dead end so what's happening now is Mueller and Co. are going to systematically take down anyone close to Trump until they get to him. And they'll do it by any means necessary, whether it's illegally obtaining a FISA warrant or raiding an attorneys office to steal privileged information. The whole Russia investigation was never just about Russia. It was about taking down Donald Trump with anything they can find. They're just getting started.
I was informed that it's two separate investigations and that we are to perhaps still believe that Russia and the Trump team worked together to take over the White House, in addition to Trump breaking Campaign Finance Laws by paying off some whore that he fucked 12 years ago.
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Mueller is still investigating Trump campaign and their collusion with Russia.
Two.
Separate.
Investigations.
Mueller =/= US ATTY SDNY
Mueller passed along indicia of a crime and the SDNY pursued it.
^THIS^
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Mueller is still investigating Trump campaign and their collusion with Russia.
^THIS^
Yep. And Mueller will make sure there are 3...5....9 more separate investigations aimed at bringing down everybody associated with Trump and eventually, Trump. When you start draining the swamp, the alligators and other sleazy reptiles get really pissed. The transparency of this has become embarrassing.
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Yep. And Mueller will make sure there are 3...5....9 more separate investigations aimed at bringing down everybody associated with Trump and eventually, Trump. When you start draining the swamp, the alligators and other sleazy reptiles get really pissed. The transparency of this has become embarrassing.
Mueller is duty-bound to refer anything substantive to the appropriate jurisdiction. It may have the effect of generating more pressure/leverage in Mueller's investigation, but it's part of his job to do so regardless.
Mueller apparently found some evidence that Trump/Cohen conspired to violate federal law (thus rendering their communications and Cohen's files non-privileged), referred it to the US Atty in NY, who had to run it through a procedural wringer to get a judge to sign off on raiding a lawyer's office. There were multiple opportunities for the legal process to shut this down if it were a merit-less fishing expedition.
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Mueller is duty-bound to refer anything substantive to the appropriate jurisdiction. It may have the effect of generating more pressure/leverage in Mueller's investigation, but it's part of his job to do so regardless.
Mueller apparently found some evidence that Trump/Cohen conspired to violate federal law (thus rendering their communications and Cohen's files non-privileged), referred it to the US Atty in NY, who had to run it through a procedural wringer to get a judge to sign off on raiding a lawyer's office. There were multiple opportunities for the legal process to shut this down if it were a merit-less fishing expedition.
The fact that you can't (refuse to) see this for what it is utterly astounds me.
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Mueller is duty-bound to refer anything substantive to the appropriate jurisdiction. It may have the effect of generating more pressure/leverage in Mueller's investigation, but it's part of his job to do so regardless.
Mueller apparently found some evidence that Trump/Cohen conspired to violate federal law (thus rendering their communications and Cohen's files non-privileged), referred it to the US Atty in NY, who had to run it through a procedural wringer to get a judge to sign off on raiding a lawyer's office. There were multiple opportunities for the legal process to shut this down if it were a merit-less fishing expedition.
I sure hope they never raid your office and find those naked pics.
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House Intelligence Committee just released their year long investigation report and stated zero evidence of any Trump/Russian collusion.
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House Intelligence Committee just released their year long investigation report and stated zero evidence of any Trump/Russian collusion.
Next!
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Next!
Its gonna get Stormy now!
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House Intelligence Committee just released their year long investigation report and stated zero evidence of any Trump/Russian collusion.
Color me shocked.
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The Red Elephant Club investigated itself and found no wrong doing......
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The Red Elephant Club investigated itself and found no wrong doing......
Now Mueller is part of the Trump club?
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Now Mueller is part of the Trump club?
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That wasn't Mueller's report. That was the GOP faction of the HIC.
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House Intelligence Committee just released their year long investigation report and stated zero evidence of any Trump/Russian collusion.
The House Republicans admit that...
They didn't finish the investigation.
They didn't look for evidence of collusion.
They didn't interview the key players.
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The House Republicans admit that...
They didn't finish the investigation.
They didn't look for evidence of collusion.
They didn't interview the key players.
And Muley has had one and a half years to do all of the above, and he's come up with NOTHING! And still, at the end of the day, collusion is NOT a crime.
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And Muley has had one and a half years to do all of the above, and he's come up with NOTHING! And still, at the end of the day, collusion is NOT a crime.
Say what you will about Snags but when it comes to legal matters, I recommend that you listen.
I don’t like to discuss it but some of you may remember when I was charged with sodomy a few years back. Snags got the charges reduced to tailgating.
I honestly felt that he cared.
Primarily about getting paid. But, still. He called several times before he got his check.
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Say what you will about Snags but when it comes to legal matters, I recommend that you listen.
I don’t like to discuss it but some of you may remember when I was charged with sodomy a few years back. Snags got the charges reduced to tailgating.
I honestly felt that he cared.
Primarily about getting paid. But, still. He called several times before he got his check.
That wasn't him. That was his in-house collection agency!
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And Muley has had one and a half years to do all of the above, and he's come up with NOTHING! And still, at the end of the day, collusion is NOT a crime.
Come up with nothing? You realize that the investigation is ongoing, but up to this point, 75 charges have been filed against 19 people, 4 are cooperating with Mueller and 5 have pleaded guilty...19 more people charged than in the nearly 3 year Benghazi investigation.
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Which of those have been charged with collusion?
And sadly the evidence in Benghazi was so much greater, yet your evil kind ignored it.
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Which of those have been charged with collusion?
And sadly the evidence in Benghazi was so much greater, yet your evil kind ignored it.
You like bengay you say?
How long you been that way?
Deeeez nuts!
https://youtu.be/5LlQNty_C8s (https://youtu.be/5LlQNty_C8s)
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https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/04/politics/paul-manafort-hearing/index.html?sr=twCNN050418paul-manafort-hearing1131AMStory (https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/04/politics/paul-manafort-hearing/index.html?sr=twCNN050418paul-manafort-hearing1131AMStory)
A federal judge expressed deep skepticism Friday in the bank fraud case brought by special counsel Robert Mueller's office against former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort, at one point saying he believes that Mueller's motivation is to oust President Donald Trump from office.
"You don't really care about Mr. Manafort's bank fraud," District Judge T.S. Ellis said to prosecutor Michael Dreeben, at times losing his temper. Ellis said prosecutors were interested in Manafort because of his potential to provide material that would lead to Trump's "prosecution or impeachment," Ellis said.
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https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/04/politics/paul-manafort-hearing/index.html?sr=twCNN050418paul-manafort-hearing1131AMStory (https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/04/politics/paul-manafort-hearing/index.html?sr=twCNN050418paul-manafort-hearing1131AMStory)
shocking...CNN reported this. shocked i am.
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CNN still toned the report down as much as they could. This Judge administered a beat down.
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CNN still toned the report down as much as they could. This Judge administered a beat down.
I heard you know how to beat it.
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https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/04/politics/paul-manafort-hearing/index.html?sr=twCNN050418paul-manafort-hearing1131AMStory (https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/04/politics/paul-manafort-hearing/index.html?sr=twCNN050418paul-manafort-hearing1131AMStory)
Even if you assume that's true, so what? If the crime was committed, then it's prosecutable.
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Even if you assume that's true, so what? If the crime was committed, then it's prosecutable.
How are you missing this?
No crime. None. They are going to keep trying until they can find something they can possibly classify as a crime, but be honest wes. Is that how "investigations" are supposed to work?
It's not supposed to be "we don't like this guy, so let's look into every facet of his life and hope we can find something to nail him, no matter how minor. Oh, and along the way, we'll leak little tidbits of salacious information that really isn't true or relevant just in case we can't find anything at all to use."
Would you want to be investigated that way? Would you want some task force led by CCTAU, me and BF to dig through everything you've ever said or done, having already pre-determiend that you must have done something and we need to bring you down?
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How are you missing this?
No crime. None.
Not sure you can say that. He's been charged, but not adjudged.
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Not sure you can say that. He's been charged, but not adjudged.
Adjudged?
I’ll have to to hand one thing to you. You don’t try to hide being gay.