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The Library => The SGA => Topic started by: AUChizad on January 25, 2017, 05:35:05 PM
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We're five days into Trump's presidency and so far he has put a gag order (http://fortune.com/2017/01/24/trump-gag-order/) on multiple government agencies, threatened to impose martial law (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/824080766288228352) on Chicago, called for "major investigation" (http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/25/politics/trump-calls-for-major-investigation-into-voter-fraud/index.html) into his voter fraud conspiracy theory (dude, you won, no need for a dick measuring contest because you lost the popular vote), signed an order (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/25/us/politics/refugees-immigrants-wall-trump.html) to start wasting even more money on the stupid wall. All while his senior adviser, in Orewellian (or Kaosian) fashion decided that things that are factually unequivocally incorrect are just "alternative facts" (http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/22/politics/kellyanne-conway-alternative-facts/).
And for all the stink over "her damn emails", guess who gives zero fucks (http://www.newsweek.com/trump-emails-rnc-reince-priebus-white-house-server-548191) about doing exactly the same thing even with the benefit of hindsight?
I have not been among the childish shrieking since he won. I think about 90% of the criticisms against him are as childish as most of his actions. I started getting outrage fatigue from all the leftists crying wolf with unfounded, unsubstantiated claims of him being homophobic or every one of his appointees being racist monsters, etc. Which pisses me off even more that legitimate grievances re emerging. They're lost in the shrill crowd of pussy hats.
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Also, when does he start becoming more normal and presidential, and less boorish and belligerent as I was constantly being told on here?
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I think it's been the most fucking awesome week in the history of the presidency.
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I think it's been the most fucking awesome week in the history of the presidency.
Thank you!
I agree!
Balls. Some gottem. Some don't! (Sorry Snags)
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We're five days into Trump's presidency and so far he has put a gag order (http://fortune.com/2017/01/24/trump-gag-order/) on multiple government agencies, threatened to impose martial law (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/824080766288228352) on Chicago, called for "major investigation" (http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/25/politics/trump-calls-for-major-investigation-into-voter-fraud/index.html) into his voter fraud conspiracy theory (dude, you won, no need for a dick measuring contest because you lost the popular vote), signed an order (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/25/us/politics/refugees-immigrants-wall-trump.html) to start wasting even more money on the stupid wall. All while his senior adviser, in Orewellian (or Kaosian) fashion decided that things that are factually unequivocally incorrect are just "alternative facts" (http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/22/politics/kellyanne-conway-alternative-facts/).
And for all the stink over "her damn emails", guess who gives zero fucks (http://www.newsweek.com/trump-emails-rnc-reince-priebus-white-house-server-548191) about doing exactly the same thing even with the benefit of hindsight?
I have not been among the childish shrieking since he won. I think about 90% of the criticisms against him are as childish as most of his actions. I started getting outrage fatigue from all the leftists crying wolf with unfounded, unsubstantiated claims of him being homophobic or every one of his appointees being racist monsters, etc. Which pisses me off even more that legitimate grievances re emerging. They're lost in the shrill crowd of pussy hats.
speaking alternative facts...
gag order ...you mean a hiring freeze?
martial law ...you mean federal mutual assistance?
CNN is rotting your brain.
anyway beyond the pipeline he's had a fantastic week. productive, effective and efficient...millenials struggle with those concepts.
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speaking alternative facts...
gag order ...you mean a hiring freeze?
No I mean a gag order.
Despite what Infowars tells you, that is what is happening. If you don't trust the actual news, take it from the horse's mouths.
Several agencies have gone rogue and defied the order.
‪ http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2017/01/24/the_badlands_national_park_tweeted_about_climate_change_then_deleted_them.html‬
Go look at the tweets yourself.
martial law ...you mean federal mutual assistance?
How in the everloving fuck do you get "mutual assistance" from this tweet?
If Chicago doesn't fix the horrible "carnage" going on, 228 shootings in 2017 with 42 killings (up 24% from 2016), I will send in the Feds!
Facts are just, like, a social construct, man!
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Great interview tonight. Never seen anyone, much less the President, throw it back in the interviewers face so much. And Chicago is a mess. Killing each other at unprecedented rates. Damn right, send in the Guard, whoever you have to in order to shut it down and try and get a handle on it. Do people want lip service or action? Let me say this. If people were being shot every single night in my city at the rate they are up there, I'd be begging for assistance. Assistance armed with guns and tanks and shit that blows other shit up.
Chicago PD can't do anything about it. They're too bust defending themselves against being called racists.
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No I mean a gag order.
Despite what Infowars tells you, that is what is happening. If you don't trust the actual news, take it from the horse's mouths.
Several agencies have gone rogue and defied the order.
‪ http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2017/01/24/the_badlands_national_park_tweeted_about_climate_change_then_deleted_them.html‬
Go look at the tweets yourself.
How in the everloving fuck do you get "mutual assistance" from this tweet?
Facts are just, like, a social construct, man!
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No I mean a gag order.
Despite what Infowars tells you, that is what is happening. If you don't trust the actual news, take it from the horse's mouths.
Several agencies have gone rogue and defied the order.
‪ http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2017/01/24/the_badlands_national_park_tweeted_about_climate_change_then_deleted_them.html‬
Go look at the tweets yourself.
How in the everloving fuck do you get "mutual assistance" from this tweet?
Facts are just, like, a social construct, man!
No different than you stating "gag order" or "martial law". not sure where you saw martial law either in the tweet.
interpretation. I just don't agree with your spin.
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Can someone hack Trump's twitter and change his password? Now would be a good time. 140 characters isn't enough to explain what you mean. So whenever you throw out a somewhat cryptic message as THE FUCKING PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES things can become unnecessarily escalated.
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No I mean a gag order.
Despite what Infowars tells you, that is what is happening. If you don't trust the actual news, take it from the horse's mouths.
Several agencies have gone rogue and defied the order.
‪ http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2017/01/24/the_badlands_national_park_tweeted_about_climate_change_then_deleted_them.html‬
Go look at the tweets yourself.
How in the everloving fuck do you get "mutual assistance" from this tweet?
Facts are just, like, a social construct, man!
Somebody needs a pussy hat.
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speaking alternative facts...
gag order ...you mean a hiring freeze?
martial law ...you mean federal mutual assistance?
CNN is rotting your brain.
anyway beyond the pipeline he's had a fantastic week. productive, effective and efficient...millenials struggle with those concepts.
beyond your pipeline statement this was a fantastic post. productive, effective and efficient.
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Great interview tonight. Never seen anyone, much less the President, throw it back in the interviewers face so much. And Chicago is a mess. Killing each other at unprecedented rates. Damn right, send in the Guard, whoever you have to in order to shut it down and try and get a handle on it. Do people want lip service or action? Let me say this. If people were being shot every single night in my city at the rate they are up there, I'd be begging for assistance. Assistance armed with guns and tanks and shit that blows other shit up.
Chicago PD can't do anything about it. They're too bust defending themselves against being called racists.
Why would a president send help. The previous one said it just needs more gun laws.
These whitebreads all say they are for the black people. But when the black people need help, they balk, because they interpret help as "martial law".
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Everything Trump has done to this point? It's vindicated my decision to vote for him.
Every thing he's done gets this from me:
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Thought it was a great week.
Hillary is not president(check). Obama is no longer president (Check). In his first week he is doing for the American Public (Like he said) and not trying to close a base for holding terrorist scum bags.
One week down hopefully 415 more to go. :thumsup:
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No one going to mention that Dow Jones hit 20,000 in week 1?
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Thought it was a great week.
Hillary is not president(check). Obama is no longer president (Check). In his first week he is doing for the American Public (Like he said) and not trying to close a base for holding terrorist scum bags.
One week down hopefully 415 more to go. :thumsup:
And the Dow hit 20,000.
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And the Dow hit 20,000.
Thanks Obama!
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No one going to mention that Dow Jones hit 20,000 in week 1?
https://twitter.com/anneapplebaum/status/824351597362892808
just remember: in Nazi Germany, the stock market rose and rose and kept rising, right up to Stalingrad
That person is obviously deranged. I'm only posting to make fun of it.
Thanks Obama!
But now that you mention it...
https://twitter.com/search?q=obama%20dow&src=typd
Dow up around 9 percent since Trump's win. Only around 200 percent to go to match Obama's record.
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https://twitter.com/anneapplebaum/status/824351597362892808
That person is obviously deranged. I'm only posting to make fun of it.
But now that you mention it...
https://twitter.com/search?q=obama%20dow&src=typd
As you know, as numbers go higher it takes a higher % to get the same increase. The same way Obama cooks the deficit and debt numbers to make himself look good %wise.
Besides the stock market isn't quite that linear. Simply looking at the Dow jones without looking at other indicators in the total market is foolish. It's the fact that it hit 20k with other things factored in. It's increasing right now because of confidence and optimism. The last 8 years it was usually do to companies hitting their marks by slashing costs and offshoring. They did ok in spite of him not because of him. Just the opposite is happening now.
The Dow jones was also at a big low at the start of his presidency during the recession. It was going to go up regardless to a degree per the ebb n flow nature of it all.
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No one going to mention that Dow Jones hit 20,000 in week 1?
Well no, we were all waiting on you to mention, like duh.
You know, the nice the thing about the stock market is that it reports truth without bias. Like GH mentioned, the business world and the middle class have optimism and confidence.
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The significance of the stock market isn't to suggest that Trump did it all by him self. Rather, it's to show that the world didn't crash because the worst man in the history of the world was elected president.
The economy didn't crash, the rich entertainers who said they would leave are still fucking here and we still talking about the same shit.
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The significance of the stock market isn't to suggest that Trump did it all by him self. Rather, it's to show that the world didn't crash because the worst man in the history of the world was elected president.
The economy didn't crash, the rich entertainers who said they would leave are still fucking here and we still talking about the same shit.
Other than the pinko commies that are still on the x whining about losing (when they were always gay losers anyway) I've enjoyed this week.
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The Dow jones was also at a big low at the start of his presidency during the recession. It was going to go up regardless to a degree per the ebb n flow nature of it all.
Much of the reason it was at a big low was there was no confidence in what he was bringing. It had started to dive due to the recession. But up until maybe two years ago, we were a crippled economy. That is why we had the slowest growth in a long time. Companies just would not start anything new. They were never sure when the great ONE was going to throw out another regulation. By the end of his last term, companies knew there was nothing he could really do, so they started investing a bit more. Trump is seen as a friend to business. Therefore confidence is high. The stock market is continuing its run up.
So in all reality, the market should have corrected itself even faster. If not for the great ONE.
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http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2017-01-27/gdp-growth-slows-to-19-percent-in-obama-administrations-final-days?int=u.s.-news%20information-rec
Republicans and Obama-critics have been quick to point out that the recently retired commander-in-chief is the first president in the post-war era to have never seen economic growth hit at least a 3 percent pace in any year he was in office.
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#Memez
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#Memez
then don't buy imported goods from Mexico. buy American you socialist swine. oh and don't forget about the trade deficit we have...don't quote me but we might be the only superpower economy that has one.
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I guess now a new VW Jetta = 4,232,000 tea bags...
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I guess now a new VW Jetta = 4,232,000 tea bags...
I'm gonna teabag the lot of ya
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then don't buy imported goods from Mexico.
Are we sure this tax proposal applies only to Mexican imports?
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Are we sure this tax proposal applies only to Mexican imports?
Of course. It'll be juuuuust enough to build that wall. Then, we're taxing those damn Chinese and all their crazy fireworks.
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Are we sure this tax proposal applies only to Mexican imports?
Cialis is cheaper there though.
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Of course. It'll be juuuuust enough to build that wall. Then, we're taxing those damn Chinese and all their crazy fireworks.
And Ramen Noodles
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then don't buy imported goods from Mexico. buy American you socialist swine. oh and don't forget about the trade deficit we have...don't quote me but we might be the only superpower economy that has one.
Just because you plug your ears and think you don't doesn't mean you don't.
If you eat vegetables at all, you probably do (http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2017/01/26/americans-may-pay-more-beer-snacks-and-cars-build-border-wall/97108358/) and don't even know it. We import about $5 billion worth every year. And another billion and a half in processed fruits in vegetables. About $2 billion in snack foods. About $3 billion in beer and wine.
Ford, GM, Walmart, Best Buy are all going to be hit hard (http://money.cnn.com/2017/01/26/news/economy/trump-mexico-tariff/index.html) with this tax.
If you can't understand that direct, obvious effect, there's no hope in trying to explain the ripple effect blunt tariffs like that have on an economy as a whole. You'd have to be an actual conservative with principles, not a cheerleader for President dipshit to already know that.
Not to mention what this will do to Mexico's economy. BUT FUCK DA MEXICANS AMIRIGHT?!? I know you'll never be convinced of this cause science and studies and facts and learnin' are for fags, but currently more people emigrate from the US to Mexico than the other way around (http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016/01/05/more-mexicans-leave-the-us-than-come-across-the-border). Immigration from Mexico to the US peaked about a decade ago (http://www.wsj.com/articles/mexican-immigration-to-u-s-reverses-1447954334) and has been dropping since. Expect that to turn back around starkly in the other direction once we cripple their economy again. Oh, but the wall will stop them, because it has magical powers and they can't just fly over it, or tunnel under it, or go around it.
Let alone the horrible optics of building a fucking wall to keep people out of our country. What other examples of this are there in history? North and South Korea? East and West Berlin? I remember Ronald Reagan tearing down the wall as a symbol of freedom and prosperity, and now the same people who cheered that are now cheering for the exact opposite to happen right here in America.
What the fuck happened to conservatism?
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Just because you plug your ears and think you don't doesn't mean you don't.
If you eat vegetables at all, you probably do (http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2017/01/26/americans-may-pay-more-beer-snacks-and-cars-build-border-wall/97108358/) and don't even know it. We import about $5 billion worth every year. And another billion and a half in processed fruits in vegetables. About $2 billion in snack foods. About $3 billion in beer and wine.
Ford, GM, Walmart, Best Buy are all going to be hit hard (http://money.cnn.com/2017/01/26/news/economy/trump-mexico-tariff/index.html) with this tax.
If you can't understand that direct, obvious effect, there's no hope in trying to explain the ripple effect blunt tariffs like that have on an economy as a whole. You'd have to be an actual conservative with principles, not a cheerleader for President dipshit to already know that.
Not to mention what this will do to Mexico's economy. BUT FUCK DA MEXICANS AMIRIGHT?!? I know you'll never be convinced of this cause science and studies and facts and learnin' are for fags, but currently more people emigrate from the US to Mexico than the other way around (http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016/01/05/more-mexicans-leave-the-us-than-come-across-the-border). Immigration from Mexico to the US peaked about a decade ago (http://www.wsj.com/articles/mexican-immigration-to-u-s-reverses-1447954334) and has been dropping since. Expect that to turn back around starkly in the other direction once we cripple their economy again. Oh, but the wall will stop them, because it has magical powers and they can't just fly over it, or tunnel under it, or go around it.
Let alone the horrible optics of building a fucking wall to keep people out of our country. What other examples of this are there in history? North and South Korea? East and West Berlin? I remember Ronald Reagan tearing down the wall as a symbol of freedom and prosperity, and now the same people who cheered that are now cheering for the exact opposite to happen right here in America.
What the fuck happened to conservatism?
Fuck optics, you pussy!
Actually, I agree with all of this.
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And Ramen Noodles
Whoa Whoa Whoa, there cowboy. You want college kids to starve?
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Just because you plug your ears and think you don't doesn't mean you don't.
If you eat vegetables at all, you probably do (http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2017/01/26/americans-may-pay-more-beer-snacks-and-cars-build-border-wall/97108358/) and don't even know it. We import about $5 billion worth every year. And another billion and a half in processed fruits in vegetables. About $2 billion in snack foods. About $3 billion in beer and wine.
Ford, GM, Walmart, Best Buy are all going to be hit hard (http://money.cnn.com/2017/01/26/news/economy/trump-mexico-tariff/index.html) with this tax.
If you can't understand that direct, obvious effect, there's no hope in trying to explain the ripple effect blunt tariffs like that have on an economy as a whole. You'd have to be an actual conservative with principles, not a cheerleader for President dipshit to already know that.
Not to mention what this will do to Mexico's economy. BUT FUCK DA MEXICANS AMIRIGHT?!? I know you'll never be convinced of this cause science and studies and facts and learnin' are for fags, but currently more people emigrate from the US to Mexico than the other way around (http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016/01/05/more-mexicans-leave-the-us-than-come-across-the-border). Immigration from Mexico to the US peaked about a decade ago (http://www.wsj.com/articles/mexican-immigration-to-u-s-reverses-1447954334) and has been dropping since. Expect that to turn back around starkly in the other direction once we cripple their economy again. Oh, but the wall will stop them, because it has magical powers and they can't just fly over it, or tunnel under it, or go around it.
Let alone the horrible optics of building a fucking wall to keep people out of our country. What other examples of this are there in history? North and South Korea? East and West Berlin? I remember Ronald Reagan tearing down the wall as a symbol of freedom and prosperity, and now the same people who cheered that are now cheering for the exact opposite to happen right here in America.
What the fuck happened to conservatism?
Did you take any history classes?
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Did you take any history classes?
Or fucking business classes?
All part of negotiation.
This whole thing is a stupid argument because nothing has happened yet. It's all part of negotiations. When he ACTUALLY imposes a 20% tariff from ALL imports like you are suggesting, then I will worry. But right now? I see it as negotiations to make trade deals more fair for the American people.
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Two things about that article. First, huge difference in protecting your own borders from other countries and walls being built to separate one country due to civil war/strife. Not the same at all.
Second, and this is a question I don't know the answer to. Are we talking about legal or illegal immigration? I doubt U.S. Citizens are sneaking across the border under cover of nightfall. Are they comparing how many U.S. Citizens to Mexican Citizens concerning how many are going through proper channels to enter the other's country?
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This whole thing is a stupid argument because nothing has happened yet. It's all part of negotiations. When he ACTUALLY imposes a 20% tariff from ALL imports like you are suggesting, then I will worry. But right now? I see it as negotiations to make trade deals more fair for the American people.
I think may actually be one of those straw and hominy arguments too.
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I think may actually be one of those straw and hominy arguments too.
Why are you guys responding to this dipshit. He has no idea how Wal-Mart even works.
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Why are you guys responding to this dipshit. He has no idea how Wal-Mart even works.
You don't.
http://fortune.com/2016/06/29/walmart-made-in-usa/
Walmart Is Still Making Bogus Made In USA Claims Says Ad Watchdog
You also don't understand that even things manufactured in the USA require parts made elsewhere, including Mexico.
"JUS' BUY 'MERICAN, COMMIE!!! IF YOU'D BUY FORD TRUCKS INSTEAD OF YER LITTLE FAG CAR IT WUDN'T BE NO PROBLEM!!"
http://money.cnn.com/2017/01/26/news/companies/trump-mexican-auto-jobs/
The Ford F-150, the best selling car or truck in the United States, gets 15% of its parts from Mexico, according to government data. The Ram 1500 pickup, Fiat Chrysler's best selling vehicle, gets 27% of its parts from Mexico. And GM's best selling Chevy Silverado gets more than half its parts from foreign plants, and uses a Mexican-built engine. The GMC Sierra also gets more than half of its parts from Mexico.
You have a child's understanding of what "Made in America" actually means, let alone the nuances of economics and trade.
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You don't.
http://fortune.com/2016/06/29/walmart-made-in-usa/
You also don't understand that even things manufactured in the USA require parts made elsewhere, including Mexico.
"JUS' BUY 'MERICAN, COMMIE!!! IF YOU'D BUY FORD TRUCKS INSTEAD OF YER LITTLE FAG CAR IT WUDN'T BE NO PROBLEM!!"
http://money.cnn.com/2017/01/26/news/companies/trump-mexican-auto-jobs/
You have a child's understanding of what "Made in America" actually means, let alone the nuances of economics and trade.
Agreed completely. Which is why I personally think he is using this to negotiate. Contrary to your belief, Trump is not an idiot.
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Agreed completely. Which is why I personally think he is using this to negotiate. Contrary to your belief, Trump is not an idiot.
And you guys obviously aren't up to speed on the trade deficit the last 30 years. No one is saying to be an isolationist and ONLY make things here. The playing field just needs to be evened. And sorry but I guess I am one of the few who would rather spend the extra money of a quality item here that will last 2 decades versus a Chinese made piece of shit that has to be replaced every 12 months. The first thing that comes to mind are tools and things like that.
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My tool has stood the test of time for over 50 years. Now, it might be missing a couple of nuts...
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You don't.
http://fortune.com/2016/06/29/walmart-made-in-usa/ (http://fortune.com/2016/06/29/walmart-made-in-usa/)
You also don't understand that even things manufactured in the USA require parts made elsewhere, including Mexico.
"JUS' BUY 'MERICAN, COMMIE!!! IF YOU'D BUY FORD TRUCKS INSTEAD OF YER LITTLE FAG CAR IT WUDN'T BE NO PROBLEM!!"
http://money.cnn.com/2017/01/26/news/companies/trump-mexican-auto-jobs/ (http://money.cnn.com/2017/01/26/news/companies/trump-mexican-auto-jobs/)
You have a child's understanding of what "Made in America" actually means, let alone the nuances of economics and trade.
You are a moron. This will not affect Wal-mart. Wal-mart is not a buyer....
I never mentioned one thing about made in America. Once again, you are projecting because you are SO SMART!
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You are a moron. This will not affect Wal-mart. Wal-mart is not a buyer....
You're wrong.
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And you guys obviously aren't up to speed on the trade deficit the last 30 years. No one is saying to be an isolationist and ONLY make things here. The playing field just needs to be evened. And sorry but I guess I am one of the few who would rather spend the extra money of a quality item here that will last 2 decades versus a Chinese made piece of shit that has to be replaced every 12 months. The first thing that comes to mind are tools and things like that.
Meh. Depends. If I use a tool a lot, then I spend more. If it will be just an occasional need, I go to Harbor Freight.
I don't buy Snap-on for a once in a five year job. There is a place for both.
If i were a full time mechanic, then yes, I would invest differently in tools.
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You're wrong.
They are not a buyer in the sense that you think. They will easily find products to broker from somewhere other than Mexico.
They do not buy every product on their shelves for resale. That is how they have been successful. It has been one of the most successful business models in history. How do you think they can have such drastic markdowns on products and stay in business? It's not their money they are losing.
Besides, it has been said they get 70% of their product form China.
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Besides, it has been said they get 70% of their product form China.
Is that why my kid has a permanent orange afro?
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Is that why my kid has a permanent orange afro?
That's not why... :bowl: :gig:
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You don't.
http://fortune.com/2016/06/29/walmart-made-in-usa/
You also don't understand that even things manufactured in the USA require parts made elsewhere, including Mexico.
"JUS' BUY 'MERICAN, COMMIE!!! IF YOU'D BUY FORD TRUCKS INSTEAD OF YER LITTLE FAG CAR IT WUDN'T BE NO PROBLEM!!"
http://money.cnn.com/2017/01/26/news/companies/trump-mexican-auto-jobs/
You have a child's understanding of what "Made in America" actually means, let alone the nuances of economics and trade.
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Just because you plug your ears and think you don't doesn't mean you don't.
i'm not sure what you are saying. are you saying pow? regardless, my momma told me not to put objects in my ears.
If you eat vegetables at all, you probably do (http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2017/01/26/americans-may-pay-more-beer-snacks-and-cars-build-border-wall/97108358/) and don't even know it. We import about $5 billion worth every year. And another billion and a half in processed fruits in vegetables. About $2 billion in snack foods. About $3 billion in beer and wine.
i don't doubt consumers will see an increase. it will not be 20 percent at the register even if the 20 percent tariff was imposed. it would be less, much less...and in some cases you wouldn't even blink an eye.
yes, i eat vegtables [and fruit]. i have a choice as to where and when i buy as well as from country of origin. a vast majority of the vegetables and fruits my family consumes are grown in the USA. why? we make choices through CSA's, local farmer markets and local grocery stores that promote USA grown products. we have a vegetable garden. the company I work for has a 4 acre garden for the employees too. in case you forgotten or didn't even know i live in one of the more fertile and diversified agricultural valleys in the USA as well as living not terribly far from the San Joaquin Valley.
i will admit tomato, sweet pepper, eggplant, okra and hot pepper are not as available compared to abundance found in the warm south. the PNW cool weather limits local production to mid July - early September...that is okay. we make a choice not to have BLT's in December...hot house tomatoes from Canada are mealy and lack flavor as well as the forced picked tomatoes from Mexico. citrus...shit is getting real right now from California. summer citrus, no thanks.
strawberries...the best are grown in Oregon and are available from April - the early frost of October. my family has a nice planting of strawberries that keep us fresh from mid-May to late-September. in addition to strawberries...our valley grows peaches, cherries, nectarines, apricots, filberts and so much more that can be eaten fresh or preserved. furthermore, i live 40 miles from the apple state and 80 miles from Hood River...a national Pear growing region in Oregon.
i do enjoy bannas and avacados. we eat a lot of avacados and many of those that we eat do come from California; however, product of Mexico labels have been inside my house. oops...a splurge. have you ever done an avacado exfoliation? importing does allow diversity but again i have a choice. if it is too expensive then i do with out. at some point enough people are going to stop buying it and there will be a surplus driving the price down again from that imposed tax. ching ching eatin' #bananas again.
i would be more concerned about frost, drought, disease and labor strikes driving prices up whether or not it is at home or abroad.
no doubt there are labor concerns and we can discuss that at a different time as well as the exporting portion of the equation. i think the optimism, regarding the fruits of our land, is a resurge in American agriculture not just grain and soybeans.
snack foods?...ummm yeah, whatever.
beer and wine...i'm not going to elborate on this one in much detail...i live, like literally live, in Oregon wine country. have you ever seen a hop farm? i do every day. i will menition i enjoy tequila but i might just start drinking more vodka.
Ford, GM, Walmart, Best Buy are all going to be hit hard (http://money.cnn.com/2017/01/26/news/economy/trump-mexico-tariff/index.html) with this tax
a lot of what i said above can apply to these trades as well; however, you have valid points. i do firmly believe the 20 percent is a negotiating starting point as other folks have mentioned. i think the hope and goal is to see a resurge in American manufacturing which would include these small parts. there is so much cash that is going to be released from American corporations it will make your head spin. quality of life can only improve.
If you can't understand that direct, obvious effect, there's no hope in trying to explain the ripple effect blunt tariffs like that have on an economy as a whole. You'd have to be an actual conservative with principles, not a cheerleader for President dipshit to already know that.
this just silly arrogance and discounts any openmindness of opinion and discourse you have. is it affect or effect? heck i can never remember.
Not to mention what this will do to Mexico's economy. BUT FUCK DA MEXICANS AMIRIGHT?!? I know you'll never be convinced of this cause science and studies and facts and learnin' are for fags, but currently more people emigrate from the US to Mexico than the other way around (http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016/01/05/more-mexicans-leave-the-us-than-come-across-the-border). Immigration from Mexico to the US peaked about a decade ago (http://www.wsj.com/articles/mexican-immigration-to-u-s-reverses-1447954334) and has been dropping since. Expect that to turn back around starkly in the other direction once we cripple their economy again. Oh, but the wall will stop them, because it has magical powers and they can't just fly over it, or tunnel under it, or go around it.
the mexican government pretty much answered my response to your question. my hope is a synergy between the two countries but I really think we need to put America first.
Let alone the horrible optics of building a fucking wall to keep people out of our country. What other examples of this are there in history? North and South Korea? East and West Berlin? I remember Ronald Reagan tearing down the wall as a symbol of freedom and prosperity, and now the same people who cheered that are now cheering for the exact opposite to happen right here in America.
i agree. building the wall is silly concept; however, if we can keep drugs, violence, terrorism, etc...then i'm for conceptual and practical means to do so.
What the fuck happened to conservatism?
quite frankly it went away over the last 8 years
i will never be as twitter or internet smart as you and quite frankly i don't aspire to be.
lastly, i appreciate the discussion and i apologize for previous knee jerk attitude or personal insults.
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quite frankly it went away over the last 8 years
Whoa, kemo sabe.
Classic conservatism (small govt/fiscal responsibility) finally got thrown out the door when the R's couldn't beat the Bill Clinton machine. They sold their principles for the religious vote and gave us W (who was by no measure a Conservative).
That said, true conservative values were on the decline for a long time prior to that due to the shift from "service" to "lifetime employment" up on the Hill.
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Whoa, kemo sabe.
Classic conservatism (small govt/fiscal responsibility) finally got thrown out the door when the R's couldn't beat the Bill Clinton machine. They sold their principles for the religious vote and gave us W (who was by no measure a Conservative).
That said, true conservative values were on the decline for a long time prior to that due to the shift from "service" to "lifetime employment" up on the Hill.
I don't agree with you much politically, but this is spot on. Especially the "lifetime employment" statement.
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Whoa, kemo sabe.
Classic conservatism (small govt/fiscal responsibility) finally got thrown out the door when the R's couldn't beat the Bill Clinton machine. They sold their principles for the religious vote and gave us W (who was by no measure a Conservative).
That said, true conservative values were on the decline for a long time prior to that due to the shift from "service" to "lifetime employment" up on the Hill.
great points. i'm not sure i agree with selling out to the religious vote, completely. lost or gone were the religious zealots preaching the word and thumping the bibles door to door to the masses. gone were the conservative principles that came with them.
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great points. i'm not sure i agree with selling out to the religious vote, completely. lost or gone were the religious zealots preaching the word and thumping the bibles door to door to the masses. gone were the conservative principles that came with them.
The religious right was courted specifically by the Republican party with a focus on gay marriage and abortion as trigger campaign points (I'm not saying the Ds don't do the same thing). The traditional religious positions on these issues is at direct odds with conservative values. Addressing these issues proactively requires the government to intervene in private relationships far beyond the scope of the federal duties.
Thus, in courting the religious vote, the Republican party officially dropped all pretense of being the party of conservatism.
Plus, the spending under Bush would make a drunken sailor blush (again, Ds do as well, but without the hypocrisy.)
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The religious right was courted specifically by the Republican party with a focus on gay marriage and abortion as trigger campaign points (I'm not saying the Ds don't do the same thing). The traditional religious positions on these issues is at direct odds with conservative values. Addressing these issues proactively requires the government to intervene in private relationships far beyond the scope of the federal duties.
Thus, in courting the religious vote, the Republican party officially dropped all pretense of being the party of conservatism.
Plus, the spending under Bush would make a drunken sailor blush (again, Ds do as well, but without the hypocrisy.)
Back to the matter at hand...
I think Trump has done an admirable job so far. His support among the people on the ground far outweighs the morons who run to the streets protesting every time he farts, the babbling talking heads on TV (which now includes Stephen A. and ESPN) and the Hollydoof elites.
He's the first President I can remember in a while who does the right thing without waiting for a focus group, without worrying about what the <deleted> or the French are going to think.
Down where it matters, there's a lot of hope and optimism, something I haven't seen in a long, long time.
Fuck Meryl Streep. What does she know about jobs or national security? Fuck Michael Moore. And Ashley Judd. And Madonna. And all the protesters.
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We as workers are losing ground. Bush, tax cuts to take jobs overseas. Trump, tax cuts to bring jobs back. I say put tariffs on all goods made overseas and brought in regardless, then let the cards fall where they may. With foreign-made products not selling because of higher prices, the companies will gladly pay for said relocation of production.
Screw 'em.
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We as workers are losing ground. Bush, tax cuts to take jobs overseas. Trump, tax cuts to bring jobs back. I say put tariffs on all goods made overseas and brought in regardless, then let the cards fall where they may. With foreign-made products not selling because of higher prices, the companies will gladly pay for said relocation of production.
Screw 'em.
My only issue here is we've been down this circular road before.
Election of 1888:
Tariff policy was the principal issue in the election of 1888. Benjamin Harrison took the side of industrialists and factory workers who wanted to keep tariffs high, while incumbent Grover Cleveland strenuously denounced high tariffs as unfair to consumers.
Harrison won. In 1890 the McKinley Tariff was enacted. The tariff raised the average duty on imports to almost fifty percent, an act designed to protect domestic industries from foreign competition.Protectionism, a tactic supported by Republicans, was fiercely debated by politicians and condemned by Democrats.
The Election of 1892:
In the only presidential race that featured two former US Presidents (I think), Harrison lost to Cleveland.
Two reasons: 1) The Grange Movement (a populist third-party effort) drew voters away from Harrison and 2) the McKinley tariff proved to be unpopular as costs for basics rose, in some cases, dramatically.
In general I'm for protective tariffs, but I think we'd be better served by repealing NAFTA and giving American businesses incentives to keep facilities and employees in the US. It would be much cheaper for me to fire all of my developers and hire firms in India and Belarus for pennies on the dollar, but so far I've resisted out of my core belief in the US economy. I believe that by hiring and paying employees, I keep businesses I want and need (from restaurants to clothing stores to gas stations) open.
I lost a contract I really wanted because my competition saw our bid and on their "best and final offer" lowballed us by farming their development out to Croatia. I have no respect for that, but I did wonder how much longer I could hold out. Had that bellowing shrew been elected? I had resigned myself to doing at least some of that. Cutting American workers so I could compete with firms that went outside the US. On a side note? The project that was farmed to Croatia? It failed. Cost the agency several hundred grand and was never delivered. I had to spend a lot of my own development time and money trying to help them get it to work after the fact. Last I heard it was going back out for bid in April. I'm sure they'll make the same mistake again.
A 40-50% tariff won't work, though. We've seen that film before.
Study history. You'll learn things.
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My only issue here is we've been down this circular road before.
Election of 1888:
Tariff policy was the principal issue in the election of 1888. Benjamin Harrison took the side of industrialists and factory workers who wanted to keep tariffs high, while incumbent Grover Cleveland strenuously denounced high tariffs as unfair to consumers.
Harrison won. In 1890 the McKinley Tariff was enacted. The tariff raised the average duty on imports to almost fifty percent, an act designed to protect domestic industries from foreign competition.Protectionism, a tactic supported by Republicans, was fiercely debated by politicians and condemned by Democrats.
The Election of 1892:
In the only presidential race that featured two former US Presidents (I think), Harrison lost to Cleveland.
Two reasons: 1) The Grange Movement (a populist third-party effort) drew voters away from Harrison and 2) the McKinley tariff proved to be unpopular as costs for basics rose, in some cases, dramatically.
In general I'm for protective tariffs, but I think we'd be better served by repealing NAFTA and giving American businesses incentives to keep facilities and employees in the US. It would be much cheaper for me to fire all of my developers and hire firms in India and Belarus for pennies on the dollar, but so far I've resisted out of my core belief in the US economy. I believe that by hiring and paying employees, I keep businesses I want and need (from restaurants to clothing stores to gas stations) open.
I lost a contract I really wanted because my competition saw our bid and on their "best and final offer" lowballed us by farming their development out to Croatia. I have no respect for that, but I did wonder how much longer I could hold out. Had that bellowing shrew been elected? I had resigned myself to doing at least some of that. Cutting American workers so I could compete with firms that went outside the US. On a side note? The project that was farmed to Croatia? It failed. Cost the agency several hundred grand and was never delivered. I had to spend a lot of my own development time and money trying to help them get it to work after the fact. Last I heard it was going back out for bid in April. I'm sure they'll make the same mistake again.
A 40-50% tariff won't work, though. We've seen that film before.
Study history. You'll learn things.
Your point is well taken. The knee jerk regarding tariffs is a slippery slope. I agree with the repealing of NAFTA and other fast track negotiations that Bush and Clinton pushed through. I'm not getting any younger and it's just not happening fast enough with proven results, that's all. It seems as if past administrations have only undermined the very fabric of this nation by default and something has to give. An improvement would be bring back the textile industries that devastated many female workers in plants like Lee Jeans, Levi, Vanity Fair, etc. That's all these people knew and there were no transitional programs offered at that time. They were, for the most part, on their own. Thompson tube factory was another who decided to move to Mexico with devastating results in quality control and loss prevention. I'm not sure they are still in business because this happened circa 2002. I guess it's really hard to identify if you haven't been there or had close family members affect by these policies. Globalization is a bad thing for American Workers, along with the H1B Visa program. The H1B Visa program is the one of the reason we are not farther behind in technology, engineering and science.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=NK0Y9j_CGgM
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Your point is well taken. The knee jerk regarding tariffs is a slippery slope. I agree with the repealing of NAFTA and other fast track negotiations that Bush and Clinton pushed through. I'm not getting any younger and it's just not happening fast enough with proven results, that's all. It seems as if past administrations have only undermined the very fabric of this nation by default and something has to give. An improvement would be bring back the textile industries that devastated many female workers in plants like Lee Jeans, Levi, Vanity Fair, etc. That's all these people knew and there were no transitional programs offered at that time. They were, for the most part, on their own. Thompson tube factory was another who decided to move to Mexico with devastating results in quality control and loss prevention. I'm not sure they are still in business because this happened circa 2002. I guess it's really hard to identify if you haven't been there or had close family members affect by these policies. Globalization is a bad thing for American Workers, along with the H1B Visa program. The H1B Visa program is the one of the reason we are not farther behind in technology, engineering and science.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=NK0Y9j_CGgM
As long as we don't use a tariff as a punitive measure to right past wrongs it can work.
We don't need to eliminate imports or crash the global economy. But we have to bring things back into balance somehow. Rural america is all but dead. (This is another socialist/communist long play goal) Towns die because companies take their jobs to Indonesia or mexico or Croatia. With the death of the towns comes the death of traditional values and morality. It's easier to be an atheist (no offense) in the obscurity and social isolation of urban life than it is in the communal small town life.
I don't think there's any going back. Textile plants aren't going to spring up to save small southern towns. The auto industry isn't going resurrect in Detroit. But we can begin to build a new concept where businesses don't have incentives to build outside America.
We've gotten fat and lazy (and ripe for takeover). So many of us have convinced ourselves and our children that we are too good for the jobs that are going to Mexico and other countries. It's more than just creating jobs. It's about creating a new American mindset. Trump was the only candidate capable of that.
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As long as we don't use a tariff as a punitive measure to right past wrongs it can work.
We don't need to eliminate imports or crash the global economy. But we have to bring things back into balance somehow. Rural america is all but dead. (This is another socialist/communist long play goal) Towns die because companies take their jobs to Indonesia or mexico or Croatia. With the death of the towns comes the death of traditional values and morality. It's easier to be an atheist (no offense) in the obscurity and social isolation of urban life than it is in the communal small town life.
I don't think there's any going back. Textile plants aren't going to spring up to save small southern towns. The auto industry isn't going resurrect in Detroit. But we can begin to build a new concept where businesses don't have incentives to build outside America.
We've gotten fat and lazy (and ripe for takeover). So many of us have convinced ourselves and our children that we are too good for the jobs that are going to Mexico and other countries. It's more than just creating jobs. It's about creating a new American mindset. Trump was the only candidate capable of that.
Again, I don't think anyone wants isolationism. Most simply want an even playing field. That's where the cases you've listed are different. Many tariffs and things like that before were for shear isolationist purposes. That's not what this is today. We have to get the trade deficit back in order. It has destroyed things.
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Again, I don't think anyone wants isolationism. Most simply want an even playing field. That's where the cases you've listed are different. Many tariffs and things like that before were for shear isolationist purposes. That's not what this is today. We have to get the trade deficit back in order. It has destroyed things.
Agreed. 100%.
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Agreed. 100%.
What trump is saying will be promoted as smoot hawley. It is not.
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What trump is saying will be promoted as smoot hawley. It is not.
In 1930, the Republican-controlled House of Representatives, in an effort to alleviate the effects of the... Anyone? Anyone?... the Great Depression, passed the... Anyone? Anyone? The tariff bill? The Hawley-Smoot Tariff Act? Which, anyone? Raised or lowered?... raised tariffs, in an effort to collect more revenue for the federal government. Did it work? Anyone? Anyone know the effects? It did not work, and the United States sank deeper into the Great Depression. Today we have a similar debate over this. Anyone know what this is? Class? Anyone? Anyone? Anyone seen this before? The Laffer Curve. Anyone know what this says? It says that at this point on the revenue curve, you will get exactly the same amount of revenue as at this point. This is very controversial. Does anyone know what Vice President Bush called this in 1980? Anyone? Something-d-o-o economics. "Voodoo" economics.
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Where's your brain?
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In 1930, the Republican-controlled House of Representatives, in an effort to alleviate the effects of the... Anyone? Anyone?... the Great Depression, passed the... Anyone? Anyone? The tariff bill? The Hawley-Smoot Tariff Act? Which, anyone? Raised or lowered?... raised tariffs, in an effort to collect more revenue for the federal government. Did it work? Anyone? Anyone know the effects? It did not work, and the United States sank deeper into the Great Depression. Today we have a similar debate over this. Anyone know what this is? Class? Anyone? Anyone? Anyone seen this before? The Laffer Curve. Anyone know what this says? It says that at this point on the revenue curve, you will get exactly the same amount of revenue as at this point. This is very controversial. Does anyone know what Vice President Bush called this in 1980? Anyone? Something-d-o-o economics. "Voodoo" economics.
My best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who's going with the girl who saw Ferris pass out at 31 Flavors last night. I guess it's pretty serious.
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"has been absent NINE TIMES."
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Aaaaannd he's taking a vacation this weekend...smh
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Aaaaannd he's taking a vacation this weekend...smh
When was the last break he had since campaigning and present? He's taking a break. Hell, if I had to put up with the liberal media hounding me at every corner, I would get away for a little while as to prevent their untimely deaths.
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Aaaaannd he's taking a vacation this weekend...smh
So taking the weekend off is now a vacation. No wonder my employer says I don't need a vacation. I get 52 a year already!
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Aaaaannd he's taking a vacation this weekend...smh
How dare he
He only did more in 10 days than your hero Barry did in 8 years.
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In general I'm for protective tariffs, but I think we'd be better served by repealing NAFTA and giving American businesses incentives to keep facilities and employees in the US. It would be much cheaper for me to fire all of my developers and hire firms in India and Belarus for pennies on the dollar, but so far I've resisted out of my core belief in the US economy. I believe that by hiring and paying employees, I keep businesses I want and need (from restaurants to clothing stores to gas stations) open.
I lost a contract I really wanted because my competition saw our bid and on their "best and final offer" lowballed us by farming their development out to Croatia. I have no respect for that, but I did wonder how much longer I could hold out. Had that bellowing shrew been elected? I had resigned myself to doing at least some of that. Cutting American workers so I could compete with firms that went outside the US. On a side note? The project that was farmed to Croatia? It failed. Cost the agency several hundred grand and was never delivered. I had to spend a lot of my own development time and money trying to help them get it to work after the fact. Last I heard it was going back out for bid in April. I'm sure they'll make the same mistake again.
A 40-50% tariff won't work, though. We've seen that film before.
Study history. You'll learn things.
You are doing the right thing keeping American workers employeed. Trump agrees. Minimum wage increase.
http://www.teluguodu.com/donald-trump-signs-h1b-visa-reforms-bill/
Donald Trump has launched ‘surgical strikes’ on migrants to the US. Fulfilling his election promises, the American president started passing bills tightening immigration rules. He has black listed 7 countries’ immigrants from entering into the country. Today Trump has signed yet another bill hiking minimum wage from $60k to $130k for H1B visa holders. The bill comes under High-Skilled Integrity and Fairness Act of 2017.
It restricts the employers to prefer American nationals rather than cheap foreign workers. It will have direct impact on H-1B or L-1 visa holders. Dependents who are seeking jobs also could be effected. On the other hand, illegal immigrants with fake documents may have to face serious consequences. Buzz has it that Trump also has increased vigilance on students and employees who are working illegally outside visa rules. Immigration officials also have plans to track personal phone calls, scrutinize social networking accounts and organic search data of those who are seeking visas to enter the US.
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Buzz has it that Trump also has increased vigilance on students and employees who are working illegally outside visa rules.
Damn, knew the dude was important but holy shit, connections at the white house. :thumsup:
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#Memez
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#Memez
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Yeah that's exactly what we want.
Some of you are like a damn woman with the exaggerations. I guess we didn't ever get bananas in the 50s when the trade difference was even. Some things we have always gotten from south of the border and Always will. That's not what any of this is about and you know it.
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How dare he
He only did more in 10 days than your hero Barry did in 8 years.
Probably didn't help that the Republicans did everything they could to block anything Obama wanted to do, and you stupid fucks cheered it on.
I just hope that he Democrats return the favor and do everything they can to block anything coming from Trump, just so I can sit back and marvel at the hypocrisy coming from your side.
Oh yeah, the 7 Countries that were already on the bill for additional security checks were placed there by the Republican-led Congress in 2015. This was added to a large spending bill that was passed overwhelmingly by Congress and signed by Obama. It is a Muslim ban...and it's probably just the beginning.
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Probably didn't help that the Republicans did everything they could to block anything Obama wanted to do, and you stupid fucks cheered it on.
I just hope that he Democrats return the favor and do everything they can to block anything coming from Trump, just so I can sit back and marvel at the hypocrisy coming from your side.
Oh yeah, the 7 Countries that were already on the bill for additional security checks were placed there by the Republican-led Congress in 2015. This was added to a large spending bill that was passed overwhelmingly by Congress and signed by Obama. It is a Muslim ban...and it's probably just the beginning.
Everything that fucking puff of air tried to do was Islamo-focused and anti-American. You're fucking-a right sane people tried to stop him. Democrats are morons.
Trump is a true patriot. He's going to make a mistake here and there, but I have no doubt where his loyalties and heart are.
I don't give a fuck if we ban Muslims. Ban them. If they want to impose their will and ways on the US, they can stay in whatever hellhole they live in now.
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Everything that fucking puff of air tried to do was Islamo-focused and anti-American. You're fucking-a right sane people tried to stop him. Democrats are morons.
Trump is a true patriot. He's going to make a mistake here and there, but I have no doubt where his loyalties and heart are.
I don't give a fuck if we ban Muslims. Ban them. If they want to impose their will and ways on the US, they can stay in whatever hellhole they live in now.
I bet you feel sense of freedom as you drive by mosques don't ya?
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I bet you feel sense of freedom as you drive by mosques don't ya?
I try not to d[size=78%]rive by mosks! You never know when a Canadian might be making his move![/size]
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I bet you feel sense of freedom as you drive by mosques don't ya?
I don't do drive bys at mosques. I'd be perfectly happy if they were all so empty they were bulldozed to the ground to make room for a BBQ restaurant.
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I don't do drive bys at mosques. I'd be perfectly happy if they were all so empty they were bulldozed to the ground to make room for a BBQ restaurant.
With lots of pork and non Halel chicken.
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FUCK Mooslims.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MegZXm1rCPg
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I don't do drive bys at mosques. I'd be perfectly happy if they were all so empty they were bulldozed to the ground to make room for a BBQ restaurant.
So, you don't give a shit about the Constitution of the United States of America. It's time for you to pack your shit and get the fuck out of here...I'm sure you were one of the retarded Republicans that threatened to do the same 8 years ago or 4 years ago when Barack Obama was named President.
Get.
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So, you don't give a shit about the Constitution of the United States of America. It's time for you to pack your shit and get the fuck out of here...I'm sure you were one of the retarded Republicans that threatened to do the same 8 years ago or 4 years ago when Barack Obama was named President.
Get.
You moron.
I don't give a shit about jihad, the Koran, Sharia Law or any of the other shit that group has been trying to force on the rest of the world since the days of the Crusades and before.
I don't give a shit about an Islamic-sympathizing, Muslim-raised, American hating faux president who lubed us up to be overrun.
You're the one who needs to GTFO of this country. You and every other single-celled organism that thinks the way you do.
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You moron.
I don't give a shit about jihad, the Koran, Sharia Law or any of the other shit that group has been trying to force on the rest of the world since the days of the Crusades and before.
I don't give a shit about an Islamic-sympathizing, Muslim-raised, American hating faux president who lubed us up to be overrun.
You're the one who needs to GTFO of this country. You and every other single-celled organism that thinks the way you do.
Re-check your Constitution. You can stop after the first amendment.
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"
No one is endorsing your straw-man that we should implement Sharia. If anything, essentially YOU are trying to do that. Of the Christian variety.
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I think we should ban all dentists!
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I think we should ban all dentists!
you're an anti-dentite.
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Re-check your Constitution. You can stop after the first amendment.
No one is endorsing your straw-man that we should implement Sharia. If anything, essentially YOU are trying to do that. Of the Christian variety.
1) Horse shit. The Constitution doesn't say what you think it does.
2) WE don't want to implement Sharia, THEY do. It's part of the mission. It's part of what they're required to do. It's not a fucking straw-man, it's the reason they don't assimilate and the reason we can't let that happen. And don't try to tell me they aren't doing it. Look at Michigan for God's sake. There are towns there trying to do it. And blasting that godless prayer noise night and day across the town.
2a) No, you don't get it. Rejecting Sharia Law has nothing to do with "implementing it of the Christian variety" That's one of the dumbest things you could say. Sharia Law usurps the Constitution. It nullifies US law. Not God's Holy Word, but the law of the land.
I'd drop the mic but Prowler's damaged it beyond repair by shoving it up his ass on a regular basis.
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Speaking of religion....Holy SHIT!!!
Just saw this little piece on Foxnews. Unfortunately, it didn't give Pelosi's response. This is just one of many real facts of life that President Trump has been trying to address; however, the wacko protesters are so hell bent on attacking the messenger and refusing to heed the message.
A Texas woman whose son was murdered by an illegal alien put House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi on the spot during a town hall Tuesday evening.
CNN host Jake Tapper called on Laura for an audience question about sanctuary cities. Laura shared how her son had been "tortured," "tied up like an animal," and set on fire by an illegal immigrant in 2010.
"I am not a one-story mother. This happens every day because there are no laws enforcing the border," Laura said. "How do you reconcile in your head about allowing people to disavow the law?"
"The second part of my question is this: if you need to go home tonight and line up your babies as you say, and your grandbabies, which one of them could you look in their eyes today, and tell them that they're expendable for another foreign person to have a nicer life? Which one would you look to say, you, my child, are expendable for someone else to come over here and not follow the law."
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Speaking of religion....Holy SHIT!!!
Just saw this little piece on Foxnews. Unfortunately, it didn't give Pelosi's response. This is just one of many real facts of life that President Trump has been trying to address; however, the wacko protesters are so hell bent on attacking the messenger and refusing to heed the message.
A Texas woman whose son was murdered by an illegal alien put House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi on the spot during a town hall Tuesday evening.
CNN host Jake Tapper called on Laura for an audience question about sanctuary cities. Laura shared how her son had been "tortured," "tied up like an animal," and set on fire by an illegal immigrant in 2010.
"I am not a one-story mother. This happens every day because there are no laws enforcing the border," Laura said. "How do you reconcile in your head about allowing people to disavow the law?"
"The second part of my question is this: if you need to go home tonight and line up your babies as you say, and your grandbabies, which one of them could you look in their eyes today, and tell them that they're expendable for another foreign person to have a nicer life? Which one would you look to say, you, my child, are expendable for someone else to come over here and not follow the law."
come on snaggle...fox news is fake news. get your shit together...did you check huffingtonpost.com?
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come on snaggle...fox news is fake news. get your shit together...did you check huffingtonpost.com?
I prefer the term, "Alternative news."
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1) Horse shit. The Constitution doesn't say what you think it does.
You're wrong.
I'll paste it again for you. I'll even bold the part of it you're pretending means something other than what it clearly concisely fucking says.
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"
is incompatible with:
I don't give a fuck if we ban Muslims. Ban them. If they want to impose their will and ways on the US, they can stay in whatever hellhole they live in now.
But please, hit me with some Alternative Factsâ„¢
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You're wrong.
I'll paste it again for you. I'll even bold the part of it you're pretending means something other than what it clearly concisely fucking says.
is incompatible with:
But please, hit me with some Alternative Factsâ„¢
How do you feel about Dentists?
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How do you feel about Dentists?
I have a suspicion that you've converted to Judaism purely for the jokes.
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I don't do drive bys at mosques. I'd be perfectly happy if they were all so empty they were bulldozed to the ground to make room for a BBQ restaurant.
You should try that new mosque bbq joint out on 85. Smoque a Jihad. Their pork is shit but they do an excellent brisket and their infidel ribs...to die for!
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You're wrong.
I'll paste it again for you. I'll even bold the part of it you're pretending means something other than what it clearly concisely fucking says.
is incompatible with:
But please, hit me with some Alternative Factsâ„¢
You don't understand the meaning of the words.
Banning Muslims isn't the same as make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof because that clause applies to American citizens who are under the protection of the Constitution.
Prohibiting entry into the country from Islamic states isn't prohibiting the free exercise of religion, it's just preventing people from those areas from coming into the country.
You can babble all you care to, but it's not the same thing. Only chowderheaded liberals on the Supreme Court twisted it to be perceived that way. That's all about to change.
Let me also add that when THEIR exercise of religion expands into defying American law and to preventing the free expression of other religions? You know, like it's doing in Michigan and other Islamic enclaves? You know, like it's doing all across Europe? Then yeah, that doesn't work either.
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S-T-R-A-W-M-A-N.
You don't understand the meaning of the words.
Banning Muslims isn't the same as make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof because that clause applies to American citizens who are under the protection of the Constitution.
Yes, it is. Banning Muslims in America bans American citizens from being Muslim.
Prohibiting entry into the country from Islamic states isn't prohibiting the free exercise of religion, it's just preventing people from those areas from coming into the country.
You can babble all you care to, but it's not the same thing. Only chowderheaded liberals on the Supreme Court twisted it to be perceived that way. That's all about to change.
No one is saying that. I'm certainly not saying that. I don't think banning 7 of 50something-odd Muslim majorities is a Muslim ban. I even understand that showing favoritism to non-Muslims from those countries, since they are the ones most likely to be persecuted, is still not a Muslim ban.
But now we're talking about something else entirely from what I was objecting to, which is textbook Kaos.
Let me also add that when THEIR exercise of religion expands into defying American law and to preventing the free expression of other religions? You know, like it's doing in Michigan and other Islamic enclaves? You know, like it's doing all across Europe? Then yeah, that doesn't work either.
With the exception of the bold, duh shit. There is a grand canyon sized rift between banning Muslims and razing mosques to the ground, and letting them all in 100% unvetted, encouraging them not to assimilate at all, letting them break existing American law because of religious exceptions, and inviting them to implement Sharia. But you know that.
As for the bold, WTF are you talking about. Lay off the Infowars, man. I know you're talking about Dearborn. Oh noes! There's one small city in the US with about 29% Muslim population!!! Please show me how they are subverting the US Constitution and American law and implementing Sharia.
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Yes, it is. Banning Muslims in America bans American citizens from being Muslim.
I'm not getting involved cause you two will continue to argue non-stop without either side conceding, but how do you come to the conclusion above?
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I'm not getting involved cause you two will continue to argue non-stop without either side conceding, but how do you come to the conclusion above?
No point in arguing. His entire position has already been Trumped no matter how much he yowlsn
Wrong then. Wrong now.
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Yes, it is. Banning Muslims in America bans American citizens from being Muslim.
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Just so we're clear, this is a blanket Muslim ban.
(3:00min mark)
https://youtu.be/l9GKL6i38pI
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I'm not getting involved cause you two will continue to argue non-stop without either side conceding, but how do you come to the conclusion above?
We're playing semantics now, as Kaos's intentional deflection and conflation was designed to do. He wasn't talking about the immigration freeze. He was talking about razing mosques to the ground and banning Islam.
All of that said, banning people from entering the country expressly BECAUSE they are Muslim is 100% unconstitutional.
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Page 2301 of the Congressional Record - House
THE SLY FOX OF MEXICO
(Mr. POE asked and was given per-
mission to address the House for 1
minute.)
Mr. POE. Mr. Speaker, let me recite
to you an immigration policy.
1. If you migrate to this country you
must speak the native language.
2. You have to be a professional or an
investor. No unskilled workers are al-
lowed.
3. There will be no special bilingual
programs in the schools, no special bal-
lots or elections, and all government
business will be conducted in one lan-
guage.
4. Foreigners will not have the right
to vote.
5. Foreigners will never be able to
hold public office.
6. Foreigners will not be a burden to
taxpayers. There will be no welfare, no
food stamps, no health care or other
government assistance programs.
7. If foreigners come and want to buy
land, that is highly restricted.
8. Foreigners may not protest. No
demonstrations, no foreign flag, no po-
litical organizing, no criticizing the
President or the policies. If you do, you
will be sent back to your country.
9. If you come to this country ille-
gally, you will be arrested by our Fed-
eral police and sent to jail.
Mr. Speaker, this is not U.S. immi-
gration policy, but the alleged policy
of President Vicente Fox and Mexico.
President Fox is a hypocrite for trying
to dictate to America what we should
do in this country, letting his illegal
citizens into the United States, while
apparently demanding tougher immi-
gration laws in his own country. Fox is
nothing more than a fox in fox cloth-
ing. And that’s just the way it is.
https://www.congress.gov/crec/2006/05/09/CREC-2006-05-09.pdf
Cut off the freebees and the rats will have to leave.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=8y3zEP75kFM
Paul: "You subsidize illegal immigration, you get more of it."
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All of that said, banning people from entering the country expressly BECAUSE they are Muslim is 100% unconstitutional.
Exactly. Which is why the Attorney General Sally Yates has more balls than a lot of people when she stood up against the Muslim ban because it is unconstitutional. Trump then fired her.
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We're playing semantics now, as Kaos's intentional deflection and conflation was designed to do. He wasn't talking about the immigration freeze. He was talking about razing mosques to the ground and banning Islam.
All of that said, banning people from entering the country expressly BECAUSE they are Muslim is 100% unconstitutional.
I said I was fine with the immigration freeze which is legal, lawful, constitutional and American.
I also said on a PERSONAL note, not as a matter of policy, that I'd be fine if there were so few Muslims in the US that the mosques were knocked down to make room for BBQ joints. I'm not proposing that as law. I'm not suggesting that Jim and Nick's become Jibar and Achned's Ribs and Slaw. I'm merely saying that me personally, as an American citizen, an informed voter and a patriot at heart that I don't care for the Islamic influence in this country. All this bullshit about a "melting pot" (which isn't true anyway) is utter nonsense when those that are supposed to be melting prefer to retain their ways and try to change ours. What I think on a personal level has nothing to do with any proposed legislation. Just my opinion.
Keep that straight.
Second, banning people from entering the country for ANY reason -- even religious ones -- does not run afoul of the Constitution. Peeeeriod.
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Exactly. Which is why the Attorney General Sally Yates has more balls than a lot of people when she stood up against the Muslim ban because it is unconstitutional. Trump then fired her.
"A chick with balls."
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Exactly. Which is why the Attorney General Sally Yates has more balls than a lot of people when she stood up against the Muslim ban because it is unconstitutional. Trump then fired her.
Don Quixote and Sancho Panza ride again.
Just as wrong as they were years ago.
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Don Quixote and Sancho Panza ride again.
Just as wrong as they were years ago.
Wise people in this World are those that admit when they're wrong. You sir are not wise. If you don't support the Constitution, then get out. That goes for anyone, including Donald Trump.
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Wise people in this World are those that admit when they're wrong.
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Show me in the US Constitution where immigration is addressed. Naturalization yes, but immigration NO.
Congress and the executive branch work together on matters of immigration policy and enforcement. Although there is no explicit mention of immigration policy in the Constitution, a series of Supreme Court decisions has established that the political branches of the federal government—Congress and the President—share responsibility for immigration. In many cases, Congress passes immigration laws enforced by the executive branch; in other cases, the executive branch has prosecutorial discretion to implement immigration policies.
http://blog.constitutioncenter.org/2017/01/who-can-be-excluded-as-an-immigrant-to-the-united-states/
Immigration and the Constitution
The Constitution does not delegate to the federal government power over immigration, only over naturalization.
But the Constitution itself—from which all federal powers derive—does not delegate to the federal government power over immigration, only over naturalization. Thus, when the government's motivation for enacting immigration laws is to further genuine compelling foreign policy goals, the laws will be upheld. But when the government's motivation is nativism or fear or hatred or favoritism, strict scrutiny will operate to defeat those laws.
Shortly after the first federal immigration statute was enacted in the 1880s—the Chinese Exclusion Act—the Supreme Court ruled that aliens, whether here legally or illegally, are persons, and the Constitution protects all persons from governmental deprivation of life, liberty and property without due process.
In the same era, the court held that all babies born here of alien mothers are citizens.
http://reason.com/archives/2015/09/03/immigration-and-the-us-constitution
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"A chick with balls."
There are no chicks with dicks, only guys with tits!
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There are no chicks with dicks, only guys with tits!
Was surprised to find out at the Sugar Bowl that Lurking Tiger had never heard this pearl of Godfather wisdom.
Learn it.
Live it.
Love it.
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Was surprised to find out at the Sugar Bowl that Lurking Tiger had never heard this pearl of Godfather wisdom.
Learn it.
Live it.
Love it.
Words to live by.
In other news, one of the Hollywood elite changes his tune and we finally hear someone address the current environment with some sanity. No one is asking anyone to change sides or become a Trump supporter. President Obama was the big cheese the last 8 years. I didn't agree with a lot of his policies, especially the ones that affected me personally and my business. But I didn't riot, protest or threaten to leave the country. Well, I did actually talk about moving to a Caribbean Island with all the civil unrest. Ultimately, I voted for what I thought was a better way. Right or wrong, I checked Trump's box. foxnews
Matthew McConaughey thinks his fellow actors' attitude about President Donald Trump is not alright, alright, alright.
The actor said in a new interview that it's time for Hollywood to "embrace" Trump and get over it.
"Well, they don’t have a choice now. He's our president," he told ChannelFI. "And, it’s very dynamic and as divisive of an Inauguration and time as we've had. At the same time, it’s time for us to embrace and shake hands with this fact. And be constructive with him over the next four years."
The 47-year-old said it's okay to strongly disagree with some of Trump's policies but it's important to wait and see how his first term in office plays out.
"So anyone, even those who may strongly disagree with his principles or things he’s said and done — and that’s another thing, we’ll see what he does compares to what he has said — no matter how much you even disagreed along the way, it’s time to think about how constructive can you be," he shared.
Why is McConaughey taking on this attitude of embracing Trump while his fellow stars are largely against him?
"'Cause he's our president for the next four years, at least," he said, "the President of the United States."
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Page 2301 of the Congressional Record - House
https://www.congress.gov/crec/2006/05/09/CREC-2006-05-09.pdf
Cut off the freebees and the rats will have to leave.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=8y3zEP75kFM
Paul: "You subsidize illegal immigration, you get more of it."
Nope.
The cartels Play a large part also. Last I checked drug smuggling was already illegal.
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Exactly. Which is why the Attorney General Sally Yates has more balls than a lot of people when she stood up against the Muslim ban because it is unconstitutional. Trump then fired her.
47 Muslim counties on this earth. 7 are banned. Muslims are allowed from the other 40.
Muslims are not banned because they are Muslims. They are banned because they come from one of those countries with terrible vetting and records.
Prowler this is simple logic. Not an opinion. It is not a Muslim ban as long as Muslims from other countries can still enter into this country. It's a logically false statement.
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47 Muslim counties on this earth. 7 are banned. Muslims are allowed from the other 40.
Muslims are not banned because they are Muslims. They are banned because they come from one of those countries with terrible vetting and records.
Prowler this is simple logic. Not an opinion. It is not a Muslim ban as long as Muslims from other countries can still enter into this country. It's a logically false statement.
WOTS you are speaking alternative facts!
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WOTS you are speaking alternative facts!
Maybe you need to read some real facts!! Rabble rabble Cheeto dust yaw yaw yaw orange toupee blah blah fascist dictator yadda yadda racist!
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Maybe you need to read some real facts!! Rabble rabble Cheeto dust yaw yaw yaw orange toupee blah blah fascist dictator yadda yadda racist!
You yada yada over the best part.
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You yada yada over the best part.
No, I mentioned the bisque.
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47 Muslim counties on this earth. 7 are banned. Muslims are allowed from the other 40.
Muslims are not banned because they are Muslims. They are banned because they come from one of those countries with terrible vetting and records.
Prowler this is simple logic. Not an opinion. It is not a Muslim ban as long as Muslims from other countries can still enter into this country. It's a logically false statement.
It's mind blowing how hard this is to grasp.
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It's mind blowing how hard this is to grasp.
Seriously!!! This is clearly a Muslim ban by the Anti-Muslite, Donald Trump.
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It's mind blowing how hard this is to grasp.
It's hard to hear anything when you're throwing a tantrum.
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Seriously!!! This is clearly a Muslim ban by the Anti-Muslite, Donald Trump.
I can live with that. :haha: :bugs:
I fart in their general direction.
:pee: :shitfan:
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I think we need to start banning Bama Alumni from this board.
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I think we need to start banning Bama Alumni from this board.
i'm going to miss Buzz.
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47 Muslim counties on this earth. 7 are banned. Muslims are allowed from the other 40.
Muslims are not banned because they are Muslims. They are banned because they come from one of those countries with terrible vetting and records.
Prowler this is simple logic. Not an opinion. It is not a Muslim ban as long as Muslims from other countries can still enter into this country. It's a logically false statement.
I'm guessing you missed the part were Rudy Guliani stated that Trump came to him to "find a quick and legal way to ban Muslims". If there were 40 more Countries on the bill that the Republicans wrote up and passed in 2015, there would be 40 more Countries banned.
You should do more research.
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I'm guessing you missed the part were Rudy Guliani stated that Trump came to him to "find a quick and legal way to ban Muslims". If there were 40 more Countries on the bill that the Republicans wrote up and passed in 2015, there would be 40 more Countries banned.
You should do more research.
You're an idiot.
And it's hard to argue with an idiot.
Leave it to you to muddy the waters on a very simple concept. I take it you haven't read the EO. Fact: this EO IS NOT BANNING MUSLIMS. You realize some of the people being turned away from these 7 countries aren't all Muslims too right? This is a country ban. Not a religious ban. End of story. You don't get to argue it with conspiracy theory bullshit.
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You're an idiot.
And it's hard to argue with an idiot.
Leave it to you to muddy the waters on a very simple concept. I take it you haven't read the EO. Fact: this EO IS NOT BANNING MUSLIMS. You realize some of the people being turned away from these 7 countries aren't all Muslims too right? This is a country ban. Not a religious ban. End of story. You don't get to argue it with conspiracy theory bullshit.
Bernie promised him free cheese and a portion of your money and mine. Every one of his anti-Trump posts are the equivalent of this:
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I'm guessing you missed the part were Rudy Guliani stated that Trump came to him to "find a quick and legal way to ban Muslims". If there were 40 more Countries on the bill that the Republicans wrote up and passed in 2015, there would be 40 more Countries banned.
You should do more research.
i'm sure your research also included the origins of the Visa Waiver Program Improvement and Terrorist Travel Prevention Act of 2015 which included a 407-19 vote from the House...though stalled in Senate it eventually made it's way to the Consolidated Appropriations Act, 2016...which passed both houses. it was signed in December of 2015 by the President. it got bipartisian support. you're more than welcome to read the 888 page PDF.
the reality it was a law formed and passed throught the Obama adminstration. additionally, Obama's adminstration added additional countries to the original.
like GH mentioned...take time to read the excutive order, if you haven't already. i'm sure though you have...
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i'm sure your research also included the origins of the Visa Waiver Program Improvement and Terrorist Travel Prevention Act of 2015 which included a 407-19 vote from the House...though stalled in Senate it eventually made it's way to the Consolidated Appropriations Act, 2016...which passed both houses. it was signed in December of 2015 by the President. it got bipartisian support. you're more than welcome to read the 888 page PDF.
the reality it was a law formed and passed throught the Obama adminstration. additionally, Obama's adminstration added additional countries to the original.
like GH mentioned...take time to the excutive order.
I would say it's a waste of breath nook but I keep doing it as well - mainly because he's entertaining. Like those people you pay money to see at the carnival. Like that woman that cousin Eddie knew that was a helluva cook.
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I would say it's a waste of breath nook but I keep doing it as well - mainly because he's entertaining. Like those people you pay money to see at the carnival. Like that woman that cousin Eddie knew that was a helluva cook.
barking for the yak woman?
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barking for the yak woman?
She's got these big horns
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i'm sure your research also included the origins of the Visa Waiver Program Improvement and Terrorist Travel Prevention Act of 2015 which included a 407-19 vote from the House...though stalled in Senate it eventually made it's way to the Consolidated Appropriations Act, 2016...which passed both houses. it was signed in December of 2015 by the President. it got bipartisian support. you're more than welcome to read the 888 page PDF.
the reality it was a law formed and passed throught the Obama adminstration. additionally, Obama's adminstration added additional countries to the original.
like GH mentioned...take time to read the excutive order, if you haven't already. i'm sure though you have...
I'm sure your research included the fact that it was formed by Republican Senators Candice Miller and Michael McCaul (which is what I stated earlier). The bill was eventually slipped into the above mentioned Consolidated Appropriations Act as a rider bill. Yes, 3 more Countries were added later by the Homeland Security.
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I'm sure your research included the fact that it was formed by Republican Senators Candice Miller and Michael McCaul (which is what I stated earlier). The bill was eventually slipped into the above mentioned Consolidated Appropriations Act as a rider bill. Yes, 3 more Countries were added later by the Homeland Security.
all i can do is laugh.
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all i can do is laugh.
He copies and pastes from the daily kos very well.
Problem with copying shit is it's still shit. Can we still say shit?
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He copies and pastes from the daily kos very well.
Problem with copying shit is it's still shit. Can we still say shit?
As long as you don't classify the color of said excrement.
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You're an idiot.
And it's hard to argue with an idiot.
Leave it to you to muddy the waters on a very simple concept. I take it you haven't read the EO. Fact: this EO IS NOT BANNING MUSLIMS. You realize some of the people being turned away from these 7 countries aren't all Muslims too right? This is a country ban. Not a religious ban. End of story. You don't get to argue it with conspiracy theory bullshit.
You're a retard.
Hard to argue with a window licker.
Leave it to you to not understand a simple statement by Rudy Giuliani. "When he first announced it, he said 'Muslim ban'" Giuliani said on Fox News. "He called me up, he said, 'Put a commission together, show me the right way to do it legally.'" (Read: Show me how to ban Muslims legally)
Giuliani said he then put together a commission that included lawmakers and expert lawyers. What we did was we focused on, instead of religion, danger," Giuliani said. (Number of Americans killed on their home soil by people from those 7 Countries? ZERO)
I highlighted, underlined, & bolded it for you. Should I write it in crayon next time?
Also, Christian refugees are prioritized of those 7 Countries...nope, nothing to do with religion.
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Laugh all you want...it's still unconstitutional.
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Laugh all you want...it's still unconstitutional.
so it's unconstitutional to laugh as much as i want?
damn.
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so it's unconstitutional to laugh as much as i want?
damn.
Yes.
The unconstitutional part is the banning of people due to religious beliefs.
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Unfortunately, President Trump's initial statements and positions on numerous issues are nothing more than water cooler talk. He's never been a politician and he rarely gives a calculated, measured response. That doesn't excuse it. It is what it is. Oftentimes, he's had to flat out change or alter his stance to make it conform to a more acceptable looking intention. Chad was very vocal about all the dumbass things he said and the number of times he appeared to waffle on what he first proposed. And Chiz was right.
But, the "Muslim ban" is a prime example. The San Bernadino massacre happens and Trump immediately shoots off the same knee jerk reaction that millions of people did, including myself. I came on here pissed as hell saying we ought to line up on the West side with our allies, let Russia line up on the east, start fucking up everything in our path and meet in the middle. We'll divide it up later. Well no, you can't do that any more than you can ban all Muslims, as Trump did in fact propose.
But he soon started softening his stance and has eventually, as President, implemented a plan, agree or disagree, to try and get a handle on the vetting process for those who want to enter our country. Especially from nations that have a long history of producing, harboring and training the worst of the worst terrorists and who have persecuted and beheaded those who don't conform to their beliefs.
I will never disagree that the man has said some colossally stupid shit....for a "politician". But I like his stated core values and his vision for us. I just hope the man will keep people much smarter politically than himself close by and listen to sound advice.
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Unfortunately, President Trump's initial statements and positions on numerous issues are nothing more than water cooler talk. He's never been a politician and he rarely gives a calculated, measured response. That doesn't excuse it. It is what it is. Oftentimes, he's had to flat out change or alter his stance to make it conform to a more acceptable looking intention. Chad was very vocal about all the dumbass things he said and the number of times he appeared to waffle on what he first proposed. And Chiz was right.
But, the "Muslim ban" is a prime example. The San Bernadino massacre happens and Trump immediately shoots off the same knee jerk reaction that millions of people did, including myself. I came on here pissed as hell saying we ought to line up on the West side with our allies, let Russia line up on the east, start fucking up everything in our path and meet in the middle. We'll divide it up later. Well no, you can't do that any more than you can ban all Muslims, as Trump did in fact propose.
But he soon started softening his stance and has eventually, as President, implemented a plan, agree or disagree, to try and get a handle on the vetting process for those who want to enter our country. Especially from nations that have a long history of producing, harboring and training the worst of the worst terrorists and who have persecuted and beheaded those who don't conform to their beliefs.
I will never disagree that the man has said some colossally stupid shit....for a "politician". But I like his stated core values and his vision for us. I just hope the man will keep people much smarter politically than himself close by and listen to sound advice.
His water cooler talk is beginning to be more than just that...which is why he went to Giuliani and asked him to "figure out a way to do it (ban Muslims) legally." There will likely be more Countries added.
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His water cooler talk is beginning to be more than just that...which is why he went to Giuliani and asked him to "figure out a way to do it (ban Muslims) legally." There will likely be more Countries added.
If we could ban all Mooslims, that'd be great.
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His water cooler talk is beginning to be more than just that...which is why he went to Giuliani and asked him to "figure out a way to do it (ban Muslims) legally." There will likely be more Countries added.
It was good enough for your black jesus. So it's still good. All legal.
Suck it loser lefty!
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It was good enough for your black jesus. So it's still good. All legal.
Suck it loser lefty!
Obama didn't ban travel to America...try to keep up.
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I came on here pissed as hell saying we ought to line up on the West side with our allies, let Russia line up on the east, start fucking up everything in our path and meet in the middle. We'll divide it up later. Well no, you can't do that any more than you can ban all Muslims, as Trump did in fact propose.
People who disagree:
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(http://www.modestoradiomuseum.org/images/macarthur%20photo.jpg)
(http://www.celebheights.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/Emperor-Hirohito-249x300.jpg)
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Obama didn't ban travel to America...try to keep up.
All legal!
Suck it loser lefty!
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People who disagree:
(http://surftofind.com/htruman.jpg)
(http://www.modestoradiomuseum.org/images/macarthur%20photo.jpg)
(http://www.celebheights.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/Emperor-Hirohito-249x300.jpg)
They can't disagree. They're all dead. Do you see now what so much hatred will do to you? It'll get you dead. Dead, I tell ya'.
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They can't disagree. They're all dead. Do you see now what so much hatred will do to you? It'll get you dead. Dead, I tell ya'.
Good point. They dead. I'm probably not far behind.
Still, tho. The guts it took to do what we did to beat Japan in WWII? All these whiny ass pusswads would try to stop it now.
MacArthur was willing to commit to a ground invasion that would have cost as many as a million US lives and two million of theirs.
Truman was willing to vaporize hundreds of thousands of Japanese women and children to protect those US lives *even though Mac lied to Truman and said the probable lives lost would be 1/10th of the reality because Mighty Mac wanted the greenlight.
They did these things because it was necessary to protect the American way of life.
The <deleted> (Truman's phrasing, not mine there Titan) had attacked us without warning. The <deleted> had slaughtered our soldiers and performed unspeakable atrocities on those they captured as well as their own people. (9-11? Any of a hundred videos out there?)
We waged war back in the day. We need to again. We have the ability and the technology to wipe them off the face of the earth and set the tone for decades to come.
Look at our relationship with Japan now. I'm typing on a Samsung computer, watching a Samsung TV. I've owned Hondas and Toyotas. If we'd piddled around with Japan like we're doing with these << insert inappropriate slur of choice here>> they'd still be flying Zeroes into US ships in the Pacific and I wouldn't have a TV.
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All legal!
Suck it loser lefty!
Still, didn't ban travel.
Here's your ass, served piping hot.
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So now we're moderating the President of the United States, the man from Missouri who made the decisions that won World War II?
:facepalm:
Somebody needs to untwist their sensitive little titties.
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So now we're moderating the President of the United States, the man from Missouri who made the decisions that won World War II?
:facepalm:
Somebody needs to untwist their sensitive little titties.
#littletittieslivesmatter
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You should try that new mosque bbq joint out on 85. Smoque a Jihad. Their pork is shit but they do an excellent brisket and their infidel ribs...to die for!
Do they serve Baco's in their salad bar?
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Still, didn't ban travel.
Here's your ass, served piping hot.
Didn't need to. As soon. As they hit US soil, the went into detention camps.
But you are right, no ban...