That's on Jacobs.
Although I'm disappointed in this season, it's definitely better than last. And it's one of the better ones in the last ten years, though it doesn't feel like it.
Doesn't matter how any of you feel about Gus. He's our coach until I and other boosters decide differently.
Get on the bus or get left at the stop.
Better one of the last ten years? Haaaa.Math isn't your strong suit then. The two things that make it improved and one of the better are the wins/losses and the defense.
I'd say one of the worst. We were a Hail Mary away from beating Clemson but we lost because the offense had no idea what it was and we squandered the majority of the game. Probably could have beaten A&M. Should have beat Georgia to set up a huge Iron Bowl. Should have been able to get up big on Bama in the first half.
And I say "should" not out of wishful thinking but out of the fact that we had the pieces there to be a good football team. A really good one when healthy. Terrible game planning and preparation killed this season. Poor player development and talent evaluation might kill the program for as long as Gus is there.
One of the worst seasons I've experienced.
And to add - our only good wins were against an LSU team that fired its coach, a god awful Miss St team, a seven loss Ole Miss team, and an Arkansas team that lost to Missouri. We were awful this year with very little to show for it.
Better one of the last ten years? Haaaa.
I'd say one of the worst. We were a Hail Mary away from beating Clemson but we lost because the offense had no idea what it was and we squandered the majority of the game. Probably could have beaten A&M. Should have beat Georgia to set up a huge Iron Bowl. Should have been able to get up big on Bama in the first half.
And I say "should" not out of wishful thinking but out of the fact that we had the pieces there to be a good football team. A really good one when healthy. Terrible game planning and preparation killed this season. Poor player development and talent evaluation might kill the program for as long as Gus is there.
One of the worst seasons I've experienced.
And to add - our only good wins were against an LSU team that fired its coach, a god awful Miss St team, a seven loss Ole Miss team, and an Arkansas team that lost to Missouri. We were awful this year with very little to show for it.
There's a bigger issue though. 2011, 2015, and 2016 had records that don't reflect the real shittiness of the season. 2012 should never happen at Auburn. 2014 should have been a championship season.
We shouldn't be what we are. That's on Jacobs. Fuck him.
Damn dude. Really? Either your expectations are completely out of whack or you haven't experienced much in your lifetime.
"Yes. Give me consistency with no trips to the championship game" , said no sane fan ever.
"Yes. Give me consistency with no trips to the championship game" , said no sane fan ever.
I'd take 2008 over this.
How about having both? They don't have to be mutually exclusive.
We'd probably end up with Joel Osteen as head coach.
We'd probably end up with Joel Osteen as head coach.
Math isn't your strong suit then. The two things that make it improved and one of the better are the wins/losses and the defense.
Agree that the Georgia loss is really bad. Incredibly bad. No excuses bad.
I don't understand why someone wouldn't see this season as improved over last and better than the 10 year average but regardless, the 10 year avg isn't good enough. The lows are too low.
But I have hope. And I'm encouraged that Gus will make some changes.
How about having both? They don't have to be mutually exclusive.
Given our limited options...Jacobs and Malzahn, with or without Lashlee-we must have a read option QB that can pass in the same vein as Nick Marshall. That can't be fudgeed-up as much by the coaches.Just as long as we don't give it to him on the hut instead of the hut hut.
Left on the hut, right on the hut, hut. That's about a third of the opportunities to screw something up minimalized.
Just as long as we don't give it to him on the hut instead of the hut hut.Yeah I mean think about it. We get a ringer that runs the read with Pettway and another back maybe, say 20 or 25 snaps. That's approximately 1/3 of the amount of plays by an offense for an entire game. Lessens the number of twirly-birds, fullback hurls, dipsy doodles and tackle eligibles our OC's can dial up.
Yeah I mean think about it. We get a ringer that runs the read with Pettway and another back maybe, say 20 or 25 snaps. That's approximately 1/3 of the amount of plays by an offense for an entire game. Lessens the number of twirly-birds, fullback hurls, dipsy doodles and tackle eligibles our OC's can dial up.Jarrett Stidman is a dual threat QB with a strong arm and good size. Maybe Gus just doesn't fully trust Lashlee enough to hand over the offense completely. I'm wondering if a true coordinator were to come in, like a Kendall Briles, if he'd be more comfortable handing him the reins.
Jarrett Stidman is a dual threat QB with a strong arm and good size. Maybe Gus just doesn't fully trust Lashlee enough to hand over the offense completely. I'm wondering if a true coordinator were to come in, like a Kendall Briles, if he'd be more comfortable handing him the reins.No.
We are in the goddamn Sugar Bowl and a few of y'all are wanting to burn the program to the ground.
:facepalm:
There are concerns. There are issues. Gus's stubbornness. His lack of a plan B. The lack of a plan in the 2nd half of the UGA loss. Those are real concerns.
But we're in the goddamn Sugar Bowl. We're the 2nd best team out of 14 in the SEC but because Bama isn't one of the 12 below us, y'all are throwing your toys around the room.
I swear to God, nuance is dead and the Internet killed it. It's gotta be either build a statue or pitchforks and torches and zero gray area. Lighten up, Buttercup.
We are in the goddamn Sugar Bowl and a few of y'all are wanting to burn the program to the ground.
:facepalm:
There are concerns. There are issues. Gus's stubbornness. His lack of a plan B. The lack of a plan in the 2nd half of the UGA loss. Those are real concerns.
But we're in the goddamn Sugar Bowl. We're the 2nd best team out of 14 in the SEC but because Bama isn't one of the 12 below us, y'all are throwing your toys around the room.
I swear to God, nuance is dead and the Internet killed it. It's gotta be either build a statue or pitchforks and torches and zero gray area. Lighten up, Buttercup.
Agree...sort of.Oh, no doubt. Like I said:
There is plenty from this season to grumble about, but the final destination is pretty decent.
There are concerns. There are issues. Gus's stubbornness. His lack of a plan B. The lack of a plan in the 2nd half of the UGA loss. Those are real concerns.
I swear to God, nuance is dead and the Internet killed it. It's gotta be either build a statue or pitchforks and torches and zero gray area. Lighten up, Buttercup.
Agree...sort of.
There is plenty from this season to grumble about, but the final destination is pretty decent.
We are in the goddamn Sugar Bowl and a few of y'all are wanting to burn the program to the ground.
:facepalm:
There are concerns. There are issues. Gus's stubbornness. His lack of a plan B. The lack of a plan in the 2nd half of the UGA loss. Those are real concerns.
But we're in the goddamn Sugar Bowl. We're the 2nd best team out of 14 in the SEC but because Bama isn't one of the 12 below us, y'all are throwing your toys around the room.
I swear to God, nuance is dead and the Internet killed it. It's gotta be either build a statue or pitchforks and torches and zero gray area. Lighten up, Buttercup.
Agree to agree.
Isn't this kind of what you live by? OHHHH MYYYY GOOOOOODDDDD!!!! TRRRRUUUUUMMMMPPPPPPPPPPP!!!!
I totally agree. We all thought we were going to the Allstate Sugar Bowl. Instead, we wind up in Goddamn Sugar Bowl. I for one am pissed and can't believe Chad is taking this attitude. Fuck you, Gus.Harumph!!!!
Agree...sort of.
There is plenty from this season to grumble about, but the final destination is pretty decent.
In an ordinary year where the rest of the SEC isn't a dumpster fire? We are a Liberty Bowl team.
The losses to A&M and Georgia were inexcusable.
Zero first downs against Georgia or Alabama, abject failure at developing a quarterback that is even remotely adequate. Those two things alone cry out for significant changes -- changes that aren't coming.
This team is far too talented for an 8-4, 8-5 finish. A Sugar Bowl consolation prize where the bowl has to hold its nose and pick between the dysfunctional, ineffective trio of us, Florida and LSU doesn't have the same panache as riding to New Orleans on the surge of a ten-win season.
This isn't a building year where the future looks extremely bright and momentum is on our side.
Please. Tell me one single thing you expect to be better next year than it was this season? We've SEEN this movie already. 2013 to 2014! Gonna be great, then pfffizzzz. 2014-2015! Jeremy for Heisman! Muschamp's defense! Shit the bed. 2015-2016! Steele's defense (admittedly much better)! And we'll haveRoc,Robinson,Barber?. Uhhh, and still zero quarterbacks. Ridiculous defensive talent. Good OL, a rugged, dynamic RB that would never have been discovered by these chowderheads without injury and defection.
That's the problem and the reason for distress. With quality coaching, a viable gameplan, decent vision in player evaluation and effective player development we aren't taking a "oh shit, do we have to pick one of those teams?" potential Sugar Bowl invitation. We should have been knocking on the door of more.
We've got ten-plus win talent. We've got minus eight win coaching.
Pretend it's not a problem. Pretend it's awesome.
Just remember that I told you. And remember that I'm almost always right.
Fuck's sake. Did you even read past the first word of my post? You're unhinged.
The potential invitation is a product of there being even shittier other options. IMO, that isn't something to celebrate.
Who the fuck is celebrating?
The Hillary supporters.
Which directly segues into:
We're not allowed to say anymore that anything is pretty ok. It's gotta be sunshine & roses or Chernobyl.
The "final destination" may be decent, but it's not acquired because of any greatness or approaching greatness on our part. It will be attained (if it actually is) through the collapse and ruin of other programs around us. We don't "deserve" a Sugar Bowl bid and in any other season we wouldn't be within snorting distance of it. The potential invitation is a product of there being even shittier other options. IMO, that isn't something to celebrate.The only definition of "good" or "bad" in college football is in relation to everyone else. It's a game that is played between two teams in 12 different combinations per team plus the postseason. If everyone else in the conference team is shit, well then fine by me, that makes us King Shit.
The only definition of "good" or "bad" in college football is in relation to everyone else. It's a game that is played between two teams in 12 different combinations per team plus the postseason. If everyone else in the conference team is shit, well then fine by me, that makes us King Shit.
I'm not celebrating, I'm just saying the utter meltdown I've seen from Auburn fans across the board because we're ONLY the 2nd best team in the SEC is embarrassing.
We have zero impressive wins this year.
K is killing it in this thread.
I really don't know how anyone can look at 2016 as a whole and combine it with what's occurred with Gus since he arrived and believe the program is on the track it should be on.
We have zero impressive wins this year. Too many embarrassing losses. A whole lot to worry about.
I don't know if it's psychological on the part of the coaching staff or the players or what, but it's not acceptable to be one and then the other over the span of a few weeks. It's not acceptable to whiz, wham and pirouette for four quarters against Clemson, come out and truck Arky and then look like a drunk monkey trying to finger bang a bowling ball against UGA.It was physical. Guys got hurt. Key figures in our offense. This is not a secret. It's as simple as that.
Show me where a Malzahn coached Auburn team (other than 2010 and maybe 2013) was better at the end of the season than it was at the beginning. Show me where when talent was equal and it came down to coaching where we've succeeded? I know there are examples, but the overall trend isn't good.Barring injury, this one. After the A&M loss we had people similarly distraught. Two of our four losses are in the 4 team playoff. Yeah, I agree we probably could and should have beat Clemson. I was frustrated with that game plan as well. The UGA game was terrible and one of the worst halves of football I've ever seen. But there's an excuse, in my mind for the putrid offense. Our two MOST IMPORTANT offensive players were BOTH injured. Pettway not even dressing out compacted our reliance on the pass, which hobbled White even more. It sucks and I'm not happy about it, but it is what it is. Honestly the A&M game is the only one I got nothin for. Other than shit happens and upsets happen all the time in the SEC.
This is a bizarro world where I'm aligned with CCTAU against Townhallsavoy.
We had a solid month and a half of playing "good golf" as it were. Starting with beating LSU, dominating ULM as we should, beating the pants off of MSU, dominating Arkansas even more than ULM, and making Ole Miss our bitch. Then the Vandy game happened and the wheels started to fall off. But why did that happen? Because of injury. The consequences of that carried over into the UGA game and, well, shit happened.
I understand that things are off. I understand that there are legitimate grievances. But to just say "Well, 13 teams in the SEC are having a down year, so Auburn's success against them is null and void" is lunacy. What are those other 12 teams? Do you think they'd trade places with us?
Your one and only measuring stick is Bama. Until Saban chokes on a dick and dies, you're going to be perpetually disappointed.
To elaborate on this one more, what do you think 2010, the pennacle of Auburn football, would have been like if Cam and Dyer BOTH got hurt? It would look a lot like this.
Barring injury, this one. After the A&M loss we had people similarly distraught. Two of our four losses are in the 4 team playoff. Yeah, I agree we probably could and should have beat Clemson. I was frustrated with that game plan as well. The UGA game was terrible and one of the worst halves of football I've ever seen. But there's an excuse, in my mind for the putrid offense. Our two MOST IMPORTANT offensive players were BOTH injured. Pettway not even dressing out compacted our reliance on the pass, which hobbled White even more. It sucks and I'm not happy about it, but it is what it is. Honestly the A&M game is the only one I got nothin for. Other than shit happens and upsets happen all the time in the SEC.
The only definition of "good" or "bad" in college football is in relation to everyone else. It's a game that is played between two teams in 12 different combinations per team plus the postseason. If everyone else in the conference team is shit, well then fine by me, that makes us King Shit.You sorta had me until this ^^^ Isn't this like winning the Life Award?
I'm not celebrating, I'm just saying the utter meltdown I've seen from Auburn fans across the board because we're ONLY the 2nd best team in the SEC is embarrassing.
God help us, I was thinking the same...
I see where they are coming from, but that impressive stretch alone did not show how bad the other SEC teams were. It showed how good we could be.
People look at SW and see a slow ass White boy that is not NM or Cam and never will be.
But HE was the difference. He and Pettway created an unstoppable O. They both LED the SEC in categories. That is HARD! There are not many teams in America that can lose an SEC leading QB and replace them with a backup.
The issue here is that Gus and company were too damn stupid to see what SW was and gave everyone the impression that the backups were just as good. THEY WERE NOT!
You do not lead the SEC in efficiency and be just, MEH!
So when he got hurt, we were all led to believe that the three way race was so close. I'm not sure who is more stupid for believing that, us or Gus!
But. WE are finally back to defense, which is NOT Gus' thing. We are so close on offense that its silly. If Gus cannot succeed next season with what we got, he never will. Unless he goes JUCO for another savior.
Troof^^^ I still don't understand the constant Sean White bashing from Auburn fans. Is he Cam Newton...no. But fuck he was leading our team and our offense. To me he was more crucial of a loss than Pettway was.
Kaos you mentioned the QB's from bammer as being not all that great, but what have all of them done? They fucking win, one way or the other they lead their team. Sean leads this team.
I will also add to the backup theory, and I'm not defending Gus. Lord knows that I am as pissed at him for his mind boggling coaching this season. But everyone was pissed that we lost to bammer based on Gus's game plan...and yes it did suck, and his lack of not having a backup QB. However, I just don't believe that everyone has a backup QB waiting to come in and rescue the game (except when they are playing us) . Players are back-ups for a reason, because if they were good enough to be starting they would be. Look at Mr. Fragile himself Romo, until this year the backups Dallas had were abysmal and this is the NFL.
I'm not bashing Sean.I wasn't actually referring to you.
It's not about Sean not being good enough, it's about a coaching staff that isn't providing him the best chance to succeed -- and not having a clue what to do when he struggles.
I wasn't actually referring to you.I wish that you two would get a room.
I agree with a lot of what you are saying as well. I'm not happy about how we got into the Sugar Bowl either, but honestly it really doesn't matter anymore. The 4 team playoff has made the bowls including the Sugar pointless. We get a better slot at primetime so hopefully it will help our recruiting, but outside of that it's pointless. Whether we had gone to Capital One or Outback or even Music City they are all the same.
I think Gus is absolutely in over his head. This year even more than last year he has shown me that he is a High School football coach. In all of the games we have lost this year (save for maybe bama) I 100% blame coaching. Like you said earlier I had hoped he had learned a lesson and was finally moving forward after handing the reigns to Lashlee, but the same issues creep up year after year. IMO he isn't our future coach, which sucks because even though I didn't like his hire, I really wanted him to be.
I wish that you two would get a room.For what?
For what?
Bob Crane-like endingsWhat if I told you we were sitting next to each other in the same room....
What if I told you we were sitting next to each other in the same room....