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Title: Cruz almost had my vote
Post by: Kaos on February 12, 2016, 01:19:41 AM
Then he pulled the ads featuring the soft core porn actress.  I've never ever seen her on Showtime almost every night, so I have no idea who she is, really I don't, but I might have voted for him if he'd have manned up and kept her on the air.

http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2016/02/ted_cruz_pulls_ad_after_learni.html#incart_river_home

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Title: Re: Cruz almost had my vote
Post by: Townhallsavoy on February 12, 2016, 08:23:34 AM
And this is an issue that many people have with Cruz. Maybe not so much that he didn't "man up" but that he's so overly conservative and evangelical that he loses any sense of reason when trying to make sure he falls in line with the puritanical beliefs that he pushes.

Title: Re: Cruz almost had my vote
Post by: War Eagle!!! on February 12, 2016, 08:52:08 AM
Lose-lose situation.

You don't want to have someone in your presidential campaign that was in soft core porn.

And you can't fire that person when you find out because you're too evangelical.

I would have probably not aired the ad again and if someone find out, released some sort of quote disagreeing with the porn industry, but appreciating all supporters from all backgrounds...
Title: Re: Cruz almost had my vote
Post by: dallaswareagle on February 12, 2016, 09:59:15 AM
Lose-lose situation.

You don't want to have someone in your presidential campaign that was in soft core porn.
And you can't fire that person when you find out because you're too evangelical.

I would have probably not aired the ad again and if someone find out, released some sort of quote disagreeing with the porn industry, but appreciating all supporters from all backgrounds...


No shit, if your going that route get Jenna Jameson.
Title: Re: Cruz almost had my vote
Post by: AUChizad on February 12, 2016, 10:56:45 AM

No shit, if your going that route get Jenna Jameson.
She is an ardent Republican. Seriously. I believe she's big on Trump though.

https://twitter.com/jennajameson
Title: Re: Cruz almost had my vote
Post by: dallaswareagle on February 12, 2016, 11:13:02 AM
She is an ardent Republican. Seriously. I believe she's big on Trump though.

https://twitter.com/jennajameson

#pornstarsmatter   :tits:
Title: Re: Cruz almost had my vote
Post by: Kaos on February 12, 2016, 11:27:21 AM
#pornstarsmatter   :tits:

You said smatter.  Ewww. 
Title: Re: Cruz almost had my vote
Post by: The Prowler on February 15, 2016, 09:23:04 PM
Cruz is so beloved that his own State is voting against him...

http://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/editorials/20160212-editorial-we-recommend-john-kasich-for-gop-presidential-nomination.ece

http://www.houstonchronicle.com/opinion/recommendations/article/For-Bush-6827621.php

http://m.mysanantonio.com/opinion/editorials/article/Bush-is-best-pick-for-GOP-nomination-6824279.php?cmpid=twitter-desktop

That's going to leave a mark...
Title: Re: Cruz almost had my vote
Post by: GH2001 on February 16, 2016, 09:26:25 AM
Cruz is so beloved that his own State is voting against him...

http://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/editorials/20160212-editorial-we-recommend-john-kasich-for-gop-presidential-nomination.ece

http://www.houstonchronicle.com/opinion/recommendations/article/For-Bush-6827621.php

http://m.mysanantonio.com/opinion/editorials/article/Bush-is-best-pick-for-GOP-nomination-6824279.php?cmpid=twitter-desktop

That's going to leave a mark...

Our resident tejans will probably inform you that 2/3 editors of newspapers in very liberal cities do not represent the 78 bazillion people that state has. You may want to check some polls.

That said, I don't hate Kasich or Bush. I really don't want another bush but between him and trump? Yeah all day long. Bush would be better than a facist authoritarian dictator like the Orange Toupe
Title: Re: Cruz almost had my vote
Post by: dallaswareagle on February 16, 2016, 09:59:26 AM
Our resident tejans will probably inform you that 2/3 editors of newspapers in very liberal cities do not represent the 78 bazillion people that state has. You may want to check some polls.

That said, I don't hate Kasich or Bush. I really don't want another bush but between him and trump? Yeah all day long. Bush would be better than a facist authoritarian dictator like the Orange Toupe


True, all inner cities are very liberal cause most of the city folk want their free hand out, while most of us outer folk work hard to give them that handout. 
Title: Re: Cruz almost had my vote
Post by: CCTAU on February 16, 2016, 10:05:29 AM

True, all inner cities are very liberal cause most of the city folk want their free hand out, while most of us outer folk work hard to give them that handout.

Therein lies the issue. It was the same sort of issue that brought about the "War of Northern Aggression".

The populated areas think they know what is best for the less populated areas. Just look at voting lines and how they stand today.

I for one, do not believe a city rat knows what life is. Why would I want their rules.
Title: Re: Cruz almost had my vote
Post by: The Six on February 16, 2016, 10:12:06 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Ko9TpduOhE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Ko9TpduOhE)
Title: Re: Cruz almost had my vote
Post by: Buzz Killington on February 16, 2016, 10:30:15 AM
Do you feel Hawd Cowe Powno is the way to go?  Because I feel women prefer softer core porn.
Title: Re: Cruz almost had my vote
Post by: wesfau2 on February 16, 2016, 10:41:00 AM
The populated areas think they know what is best for the less populated areas. Just look at voting lines and how they stand today.

What's funny to me is how poor, rural white people often vote against their own interests (under this "new" GOP) simply because of the "R" in front of the candidates' names.
Title: Re: Cruz almost had my vote
Post by: War Eagle!!! on February 16, 2016, 10:46:20 AM
What's funny to me is how poor, rural white people often vote against their own interests (under this "new" GOP) simply because of the "R" in front of the candidates' names.

Or maybe, some voters believe in work and not hand outs...

But honestly, the both can be said of voters on each side of the aisle.
Title: Re: Cruz almost had my vote
Post by: GH2001 on February 16, 2016, 11:22:49 AM
But honestly, the both can be said of voters on each side of the aisle.

Correct.

And which one candidate do you think those types on the right are overwhelming supporting per the polls? Hint: his hair is awful.
Title: Re: Cruz almost had my vote
Post by: CCTAU on February 16, 2016, 11:34:35 AM
Or maybe, some voters believe in work and not hand outs...

But honestly, the both can be said of voters on each side of the aisle.

Rural white voters want to be left alone. It has always been this way. THAT is their own interest.
Title: Re: Cruz almost had my vote
Post by: wesfau2 on February 16, 2016, 12:19:40 PM
Rural white voters want to be left alone. It has always been this way. THAT is their own interest.

And yet they keep voting for Republicans that are trying to infiltrate all aspects of a person's personal life.  Odd.
Title: Re: Cruz almost had my vote
Post by: Kaos on February 16, 2016, 12:26:17 PM
And yet they keep voting for Republicans that are trying to infiltrate all aspects of a person's personal life.  Odd.

Voting against entitlement. 

There's an enormous difference between personal involvement and financial involvement.  Many people want a government that will be responsive to moral and ethical issues while leaving their wallets alone.  I have zero problem with the government saying "we can't tell you not to pray in school" and a big problem with government saying "your money has to go to causes like LGBT projects, etc." 
Title: Re: Cruz almost had my vote
Post by: wesfau2 on February 16, 2016, 12:41:19 PM
Voting against entitlement. 


Bullshit.

Voting for god, guns and 'murica.

The GOP knows their flyover base and plays to them.
Title: Re: Cruz almost had my vote
Post by: Kaos on February 16, 2016, 12:44:27 PM
Bullshit.

Voting for god, guns and 'murica.

The GOP knows their flyover base and plays to them.

God, guns and 'murica is specifically a vote against entitlement.  It's a vote against handouts and for people who (even if phony) play to the "work hard, win hard" mentality. 

That's basically where I am.  I don't care about the guns part, but I'm okay with God and pretty on board with 'murica. 


Also?  Can someone explain to me how a thread that was started in a humorously-intended vein about a fairly decent looking MILF (or SCPAILF as it were) got derailed into a political piss and moan fest?
Title: Re: Cruz almost had my vote
Post by: wesfau2 on February 16, 2016, 12:48:49 PM
God, guns and 'murica is specifically a vote against entitlement. 

Bullshit, again.
Title: Re: Cruz almost had my vote
Post by: Kaos on February 16, 2016, 12:54:24 PM
Bullshit, again.

You can say that as much as you want, doesn't make it true. 

Back to this now. 

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Title: Re: Cruz almost had my vote
Post by: War Eagle!!! on February 16, 2016, 01:58:37 PM
Bullshit.

Voting for god, guns and 'murica.

The GOP knows their flyover base and plays to them.

Same can be said for the dems.

It's politics. And people are stupid as hell to fall for it.

But nothing will change no matter who gets elected. Because once someone goes to Washington, it is all status quo...
Title: Re: Cruz almost had my vote
Post by: wesfau2 on February 16, 2016, 02:04:49 PM
Same can be said for the dems.

It's politics. And people are stupid as hell to fall for it.

But nothing will change no matter who gets elected. Because once someone goes to Washington, it is all status quo...

The dem voters are, presumably, voting in their own interest: to get entitlements.

The repub voters are voting against their alleged interest (as postulated in this thread), as the morality police creep ever further into your bedroom.
Title: Re: Cruz almost had my vote
Post by: CCTAU on February 16, 2016, 02:12:38 PM
The dem voters are, presumably, voting in their own interest: to get entitlements.

The repub voters are voting against their alleged interest (as postulated in this thread), as the morality police creep ever further into your bedroom.

It can be looked at in another way. The rural white folks don't want to be told they have to agree that same sex marriages are the same as their marriage just because some liberal judges legislated from the bench. (a clear bastardization of the 14th amendment)
Many of these rural white folks aren't as stupid as your overly educated ass thinks they are. They know what they believe. And they stick by it. Also, the white guilt is not strong with these folks.
Title: Re: Cruz almost had my vote
Post by: wesfau2 on February 16, 2016, 02:15:27 PM
It can be looked at in another way. The rural white folks don't want to be told they have to agree that same sex marriages are the same as their marriage just because some liberal judges legislated from the bench. (a clear bastardization of the 14th amendment)
Many of these rural white folks aren't as stupid as your overly educated ass thinks they are. They know what they believe. And they stick by it. Also, the white guilt is not strong with these folks.

No one is going to force them into a gay marriage.

So, are you amending your allegation of their position to be: Leave me alone...but let me tell everyone else how to live?
Title: Re: Cruz almost had my vote
Post by: AUTiger1 on February 16, 2016, 02:24:33 PM
Is the Republican party not a party of big government, just like the Democrats, but in other ways?   Hard for me to tell now days.
Title: Re: Cruz almost had my vote
Post by: dallaswareagle on February 16, 2016, 02:28:47 PM
It can be looked at in another way. The rural white folks don't want to be told they have to agree that same sex marriages are the same as their marriage just because some liberal judges legislated from the bench. (a clear bastardization of the 14th amendment)
Many of these rural white folks aren't as stupid as your overly educated ass thinks they are. They know what they believe. And they stick by it. Also, the white guilt is not strong with these folks.


To some of us its non-existent.
Title: Re: Cruz almost had my vote
Post by: CCTAU on February 16, 2016, 02:29:54 PM
No one is going to force them into a gay marriage.

So, are you amending your allegation of their position to be: Leave me alone...but let me tell everyone else how to live?

If you don't get it, you are part of the reason this country is going downhill.
Title: Re: Cruz almost had my vote
Post by: AUChizad on February 16, 2016, 02:33:06 PM
It can be looked at in another way. The rural white folks don't want to be told they have to agree that same sex marriages are the same as their marriage just because some liberal judges legislated from the bench. (a clear bastardization of the 14th amendment)
Many of these rural white folks aren't as stupid as your overly educated ass thinks they are. They know what they believe. And they stick by it. Also, the white guilt is not strong with these folks.
#OverlyEducatedAss
 :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Title: Re: Cruz almost had my vote
Post by: AUTiger1 on February 16, 2016, 03:19:22 PM
Republicans:  I'm going to force and legislate conservatism down your throat.  You will not accept the homos and you can't smoke your pot.

Democrats:  I'm going to force and legislate liberalism down your throat.  You will  accept the homos and you will smoke your pot.

Libertarians:  I'm going to take over, shrink the size of government, leave you the hell alone and give you the individual freedom to choose what you want. 

So which party is the party of small government again?
Title: Re: Cruz almost had my vote
Post by: wesfau2 on February 16, 2016, 03:22:51 PM
Republicans:  I'm going to force and legislate conservatism down your throat.  You will not accept the homos and you can't smoke your pot.

Democrats:  I'm going to force and legislate liberalism down your throat.  You will  accept the homos and you will smoke your pot.

Libertarians:  I'm going to take over, shrink the size of government, leave you the hell alone and give you the individual freedom to choose what you want. 

So which party is the party of small government again?

There is nothing "conservative" about the Republican agenda these days.
Title: Re: Cruz almost had my vote
Post by: Kaos on February 16, 2016, 03:24:11 PM
Did somebody say "party?"

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Title: Re: Cruz almost had my vote
Post by: wesfau2 on February 16, 2016, 03:24:31 PM
If you don't get it, you are part of the reason this country is going downhill.

The pre-sellout Republican party would want the government to refrain from even weighing in on this issue.  I think you're part of the reason...
Title: Re: Cruz almost had my vote
Post by: CCTAU on February 16, 2016, 03:31:23 PM
Republicans:  I'm going to force and legislate conservatism down your throat.  You will not accept the homos and you can't smoke your pot.

Democrats:  I'm going to force and legislate liberalism down your throat.  You will  accept the homos and you will smoke your pot.

Libertarians:  I'm going to take over, shrink the size of government, leave you the hell alone and give you the individual freedom to choose what you want. 

So which party is the party of small government again?

We accepted that the homo lifestyle was a choice and had no problem with it being kept private. We did not appreciate the lie that it was "normal" and could be equated to its on genetic race so that it could be legitimized my marriage.

You, and others, always miss the point when it come to this.
Title: Re: Cruz almost had my vote
Post by: wesfau2 on February 16, 2016, 03:35:57 PM
We accepted that the homo lifestyle was a choice and had no problem with it being kept private. We did not appreciate the lie that it was "normal" and could be equated to its on genetic race so that it could be legitimized my marriage.

You, and others, always miss the point when it come to this.

Sadly for you, the world is not static and the unwashed masses are getting their voices heard.  Equality is a bitch, isn't it?
Title: Re: Cruz almost had my vote
Post by: Snaggletiger on February 16, 2016, 03:36:33 PM
If gays can't procreate, why do they keep popping up everywhere?
Title: Re: Cruz almost had my vote
Post by: CCTAU on February 16, 2016, 03:38:47 PM
Sadly for you, the world is not static and the unwashed masses are getting their voices heard.  Equality is a bitch, isn't it?

Their deviant voices, yes.

It is sad.

And there is no equality. When a minority catches a break before the white man, equality does not exist. Only a fool would support that kind of equality.
Title: Re: Cruz almost had my vote
Post by: wesfau2 on February 16, 2016, 03:48:42 PM
Their deviant voices, yes.

It is sad.

And there is no equality. When a minority catches a break before the white man, equality does not exist. Only a fool would support that kind of equality.

Or you could realize that the "white man" has been enjoying his status and privilege on the backs of other, equal groups and it's ok to acknowledge that (without reducing the white man's rights/privileges) those groups are equally deserving of protection under the law.
Title: Re: Cruz almost had my vote
Post by: GH2001 on February 16, 2016, 03:57:24 PM
Voting against entitlement. 

There's an enormous difference between personal involvement and financial involvement.  Many people want a government that will be responsive to moral and ethical issues while leaving their wallets alone.  I have zero problem with the government saying "we can't tell you not to pray in school" and a big problem with government saying "your money has to go to causes like LGBT projects, etc."

I'll agree with Wes here on one thing. The lower class of the GOP voting base is not voting against entitlement. You and I may be. But the folks in trailers. The bammers. They are voting for exactly what Wes said. They talk about Murcia and the good lord and shooting things and things of the like. It's a cultural vote for that part of the electorate, not a good sound economic vote.
Title: Re: Cruz almost had my vote
Post by: wesfau2 on February 16, 2016, 04:00:12 PM
I'll agree with Wes here on one thing. The lower class of the GOP voting base is not voting against entitlement. You and I may be. But the folks in trailers. The bammers. They are voting for exactly what Wes said. They talk about Murcia and the good lord and shooting things and things of the like. It's a cultural vote for that part of the electorate, not a good sound economic vote.

Just one thing?  C'mon, buddy.
Title: Re: Cruz almost had my vote
Post by: CCTAU on February 16, 2016, 04:18:26 PM
Or you could realize that the "white man" has been enjoying his status and privilege on the backs of other, equal groups and it's ok to acknowledge that (without reducing the white man's rights/privileges) those groups are equally deserving of protection under the law.

You truly are indoctrinated with the white guilt.

I gained nothing on the back of anyone. I worked my ass off for what I got.

Some folks lived off the mommy tit and are now guilty about it. I don't have that guilt.

The "People's History of America" is made up bullshit.

Title: Re: Cruz almost had my vote
Post by: Snaggletiger on February 16, 2016, 04:22:44 PM
You truly are indoctrinated with the white guilt.

I gained nothing on the back of anyone. I worked my ass off for what I got.

Some folks lived off the mommy tit and are now guilty about it. I don't have that guilt.

The "People's History of America" is made up bullshit.


snap snap snap snap snap snap snap snap snap......
Title: Re: Cruz almost had my vote
Post by: AUTiger1 on February 16, 2016, 04:34:24 PM
We accepted that the homo lifestyle was a choice and had no problem with it being kept private. We did not appreciate the lie that it was "normal" and could be equated to its on genetic race so that it could be legitimized my marriage.

You, and others, always miss the point when it come to this.

No, you totally missed the point.  That was an example on social issues.  The Republicans are just as much a big spend party as the Democrats, just on different things.  DHS ring a bell?  No Child Left Behind ring a bell? 

One was a knee jerk reaction that created another bureaucracy at a tune to $64.5 billion a year (where did we get that money?) for what?  Why not make the heads of the CIA and FBI talk and brief one another for free and save that $64.5 billion.  NCLB created another $50 billion a year in spending for the department of education.  It more than tripled their budget.  GWB grew the federal government at a rate of 13%.   Again, they spend just as much as the Dems.  Any big spending bill in the past 20 years, go look at the votes it took to pass.  Many of them passed with tons of R and D votes.  They are one in the same, without being one in the same. 

I'd rather not lend my support to a party that betrayed me in 1996, but you can keep on supporting them if you like.   
Title: Re: Cruz almost had my vote
Post by: wesfau2 on February 16, 2016, 05:14:56 PM
You truly are indoctrinated with the white guilt.

I gained nothing on the back of anyone. I worked my ass off for what I got.

Some folks lived off the mommy tit and are now guilty about it. I don't have that guilt.

The "People's History of America" is made up bullshit.

I'm not feeling any guilt.  Your status as white man in America is an automatic standing double (edited to add: OUR status).  Lucky enough to be second or third generation patrician?  Then you are sitting on a bona fide triple before you leave the womb.

If you can try to argue with a straight face that any non-white group in America is on equal footing from a political, social or economic perspective then you are being deliberately disingenuous or you are a fucking sociopath.



I'd rather not lend my support to a party that betrayed me in 1996, but you can keep on supporting them if you like.   

That's about when they lost me, too.  If the Republicans were truly advocates of conservatism, I'd still be in that camp most likely.

If both parties are going to spend us into oblivion, I at least want my government to take care of the least of its citizens.

For Chad: We lack a meaningful 3rd party option, so my views above don't address that end of the spectrum.
Title: Re: Cruz almost had my vote
Post by: Snaggletiger on February 16, 2016, 05:22:34 PM
I'm not feeling any guilt.  Your status as white man in America is an automatic standing double (edited to add: OUR status).  Lucky enough to be second or third generation patrician?  Then you are sitting on a bona fide triple before you leave the womb.

If you can try to argue with a straight face that any non-white group in America is on equal footing from a political, social or economic perspective then you are being deliberately disingenuous or you are a fucking sociopath.

That's about when they lost me, too.  If the Republicans were truly advocates of conservatism, I'd still be in that camp most likely.

If both parties are going to spend us into oblivion, I at least want my government to take care of the least of its citizens.

For Chad: We lack a meaningful 3rd party option, so my views above don't address that end of the spectrum.


How can you be so obtuse?
Title: Re: Cruz almost had my vote
Post by: wesfau2 on February 16, 2016, 05:24:11 PM

How can you be so obtuse?

30 days in the hole.

/nohumblepie
Title: Re: Cruz almost had my vote
Post by: Snaggletiger on February 16, 2016, 05:32:23 PM
30 days in the hole.

/nohumblepie

A man just up and disappears like a fart in the wind.
Title: Re: Cruz almost had my vote
Post by: WiregrassTiger on February 16, 2016, 05:34:01 PM
I'm not feeling any guilt.  Your status as white man in America is an automatic standing double (edited to add: OUR status).  Lucky enough to be second or third generation patrician?  Then you are sitting on a bona fide triple before you leave the womb.

If you can try to argue with a straight face that any non-white group in America is on equal footing from a political, social or economic perspective then you are being deliberately disingenuous or you are a fucking sociopath.

That's about when they lost me, too.  If the Republicans were truly advocates of conservatism, I'd still be in that camp most likely.

If both parties are going to spend us into oblivion, I at least want my government to take care of the least of its citizens.

For Chad: We lack a meaningful 3rd party option, so my views above don't address that end of the spectrum.
You tell 'em brother.
Now, when I'm supposed to get my check.
Title: Re: Cruz almost had my vote
Post by: wesfau2 on February 16, 2016, 05:50:17 PM
A man just up and disappears like a fart in the wind.

Do you trust your wife?
Title: Re: Cruz almost had my vote
Post by: Kaos on February 16, 2016, 06:00:23 PM
Or you could realize that the "white man" has been enjoying his status and privilege on the backs of other, equal groups and it's ok to acknowledge that (without reducing the white man's rights/privileges) those groups are equally deserving of protection under the law.

Bullshit. 

Utter bullshit.

Title: Re: Cruz almost had my vote
Post by: wesfau2 on February 16, 2016, 06:03:12 PM
Bullshit. 

Utter bullshit.

Colonialism puts the invading populace at an immediate, and entrenched advantage.

You guys did notice that I am not advocating an erosion of your crusty old white rights?  I only want everyone to enjoy equal rights, regardless of race, gender or penus desire.
Title: Re: Cruz almost had my vote
Post by: wesfau2 on February 16, 2016, 06:04:53 PM
  Opportunity is pretty much the same for all.  Scholarships, assistance, and really opportunity is greater for any ethnic/gender "minority."

Bullshit.


Utter Bullshit.
Title: Re: Cruz almost had my vote
Post by: Kaos on February 16, 2016, 06:05:16 PM
Colonialism puts the invading populace at an immediate, and entrenched advantage.

You guys did notice that I am not advocating an erosion of your crusty old white rights?  I only want everyone to enjoy equal rights, regardless of race, gender or penus desire.

A hundred years ago maybe.  Today?  Opportunity is pretty much the same for all.  Scholarships, assistance, and really opportunity is greater for any ethnic/gender "minority."  And STILL outcome is not the same.  So you take even more from me in an effort to "balance" things.  That's manure.  Stinking, fetid manure.  That won't EVER work.   

You want it to be.  I simply don't.  And won't ever want equality of outcome. 

Depravity does not DESERVE equal rights. 
Title: Re: Cruz almost had my vote
Post by: Kaos on February 16, 2016, 06:08:12 PM
Bullshit.


Utter Bullshit.

Don't tell me that. 

I had to campaign for my daughter to get a scholarship to Auburn.  She had the GPA she had the ACT score.  But she was in a queue behind minorities who had lesser scores and lower GPAs. 

They didn't make decisions based strictly on merit. Those decisions were based on other factors. 

Kids who didn't have the same qualifications as she did got full rides. She got a partial -- and only after a concerted effort on my part to make it happen.

That's just one example. 
Title: Re: Cruz almost had my vote
Post by: wesfau2 on February 16, 2016, 06:09:45 PM
Don't tell me that. 

I had to campaign for my daughter to get a scholarship to Auburn.  She had the GPA she had the ACT score.  But she was in a queue behind minorities who had lesser scores and lower GPAs. 

They didn't make decisions based strictly on merit. Those decisions were based on other factors. 

Kids who didn't have the same qualifications as she did got full rides. She got a partial -- and only after a concerted effort on my part to make it happen.

That's just one example.

Terribly sorry that your anecdotal story highlights the gross injustice of possibly almost missing out on your #1 choice of university.

The struggle is horrifically real.

Title: Re: Cruz almost had my vote
Post by: Kaos on February 16, 2016, 06:17:06 PM
Terribly sorry that your anecdotal story highlights the gross injustice of possibly almost missing out on your #1 choice of university.

The struggle is horrifically real.

Yep.  It is.  What happened to "content of character and not color of skin"? 

If that were true, then the applications and scholarships would be weighed only on their merits and not sorted based on race, gender and other factors. 

It goes directly to the point that if you are a minority, there is a world of opportunity awaiting you IF YOU CHOOSE TO PURSUE IT. 

You want to give it to those who don't deserve it simply because they refuse to try.  You want to take all those kids sitting at the wall of defeat, crying about how hard it is to be a pimp and give them more. 

They don't want more, Wes.  More stuff?  Sure.  But something they have to work for?  Nope. 

You can't tell me with a straight face that anyone of any color who applies himself/herself in school, goes to college and does the work and goes out into the world with ambition and dedication is going to be shackled by some dusty ideal.  There are far too many examples of success that belie your overwhelming guilt. 
Title: Re: Cruz almost had my vote
Post by: wesfau2 on February 16, 2016, 06:24:46 PM
Yep.  It is.  What happened to "content of character and not color of skin"? 

If that were true, then the applications and scholarships would be weighed only on their merits and not sorted based on race, gender and other factors. 

It goes directly to the point that if you are a minority, there is a world of opportunity awaiting you IF YOU CHOOSE TO PURSUE IT. 

You want to give it to those who don't deserve it simply because they refuse to try.  You want to take all those kids sitting at the wall of defeat, crying about how hard it is to be a pimp and give them more. 

They don't want more, Wes.  More stuff?  Sure.  But something they have to work for?  Nope. 

You can't tell me with a straight face that anyone of any color who applies himself/herself in school, goes to college and does the work and goes out into the world with ambition and dedication is going to be shackled by some dusty ideal.  There are far too many examples of success that belie your overwhelming guilt.

There are examples of minorities excelling with the assistance of a competent infrastructure (governmental and private).  There are even exceptional, life-affirming stories of success without those basic foundational components.

What doesn't exist anywhere is a catalog of modest success stories from the populations that live without one or both of those components.  That is the margin in which most of non-white America lives.
Title: Re: Cruz almost had my vote
Post by: Kaos on February 16, 2016, 06:33:51 PM
There are examples of minorities excelling with the assistance of a competent infrastructure (governmental and private).  There are even exceptional, life-affirming stories of success without those basic foundational components.

What doesn't exist anywhere is a catalog of modest success stories from the populations that live without one or both of those components.  That is the margin in which most of non-white America lives.

What doesn't exist anywhere is a catalog of modest success stories from the populations that live without one or both of those components.

There IS NO minority that exists without one or both of these components.  That's the point. The components exist. The issue is whether those that could take advantage of them. 

You can wail and moan all you want, but there's not a minority alive, particularly one from a poorer background, who cannot get an education and use that education as a springboard to college and more.  They choose not to do so. 

They make horrific decisions and mire themselves in lives from which there is little escape. That.Is.Not.My.Fault.  Nor is it yours.

You look at the disenfranchised youth and see a population that needs more help.  I look at the same group and see a population that's declined the obscene amount of help that's already available.  Giving them more isn't an incentive, it creates the opposite effect. 

A miniscule few in this country is denied opportunity. 
You will never achieve equal outcome.

The more the government tries to "help" the poor?  The more poor we will have. 
Title: Re: Cruz almost had my vote
Post by: The Prowler on February 16, 2016, 06:43:33 PM
Sorry I derailed the pornstar that Edwardo Raphael "anointed by God to be President" Cruz chose for one of his ads post.
Title: Re: Cruz almost had my vote
Post by: djsimp on February 17, 2016, 12:21:06 AM
Sorry I derailed the pornstar that Edwardo Raphael "anointed by God to be President" Cruz chose for one of his ads post.

Shut the HELL up Prowler!!! We are looking for a wes/Kaos battle here not you rambling bullshit
Title: Re: Cruz almost had my vote
Post by: CCTAU on February 17, 2016, 12:29:53 AM
Like I said, white guilt is a helluva thing.

Lines straight from made up liberal history!

Once again, good will hunting, "The People's History of America" is liberal made up bullshit!

Quit eating it up.
Title: Re: Cruz almost had my vote
Post by: Kaos on February 17, 2016, 08:02:46 AM
Shut the HELL up Prowler!!! We are looking for a wes/Kaos battle here not you rambling bullshit

No battle.  He's educated and intelligent.  Respect his opinion.  Our life experiences are vastly different however so we see the world through different lenses.  I have reason to believe I'm unassailably correct.  I assume he does as well. 

He's not going to change my mind.   I have no expectations of changing his.  He would never vote for trump.  I would vote for a ferret with the mange before I'd vote for Hillary or Bernie.  I don't really like any of the options but this is the current state of politics. 

But the ability to present opposing viewpoints is vital to what makes this whole process work. 
Title: Re: Cruz almost had my vote
Post by: GH2001 on February 17, 2016, 11:27:26 AM
30 days in the hole.

/nohumblepie

One of the most underrated classics of all time.
Title: Re: Cruz almost had my vote
Post by: GH2001 on February 17, 2016, 11:29:01 AM
Shut the HELL up Prowler!!! We are looking for a wes/Kaos battle here not you rambling bullshit

Correct.

While I don't agree with Wes or K on all these things, they provide more substance in 1 post than prowler does in a year.  I respect their opinions even if I disagree because they at least provide good basis and I try to find common ground. And doing so is how shit gets done ultimately.
Title: Re: Cruz almost had my vote
Post by: Snaggletiger on February 17, 2016, 12:21:12 PM
Correct.

While I don't agree with Wes or K on all these things, they provide more substance in 1 post than prowler does in a year.  I respect their opinions even if I disagree because they at least provide good basis and I try to find common ground. And doing so is how shit gets done ultimately.

All I got out of their back and forth was "Bitches ain't shit but hoes and tricks".
Title: Re: Cruz almost had my vote
Post by: GH2001 on February 17, 2016, 02:05:01 PM
All I got out of their back and forth was "Bitches ain't shit but hoes and tricks".
Well, yeah! Duhhhhh
Title: Re: Cruz almost had my vote
Post by: djsimp on February 17, 2016, 08:29:28 PM
No battle.  He's educated and intelligent.  Respect his opinion.  Our life experiences are vastly different however so we see the world through different lenses.  I have reason to believe I'm unassailably correct.  I assume he does as well. 

He's not going to change my mind.   I have no expectations of changing his.  He would never vote for trump.  I would vote for a ferret with the mange before I'd vote for Hillary or Bernie.  I don't really like any of the options but this is the current state of politics. 

But the ability to present opposing viewpoints is vital to what makes this whole process work.

Agreed 110%. However, my jab was more aimed at Prowler. Im sure you prolly know that but just saying.
Title: Re: Cruz almost had my vote
Post by: The Prowler on February 17, 2016, 11:13:56 PM
Shut the HELL up Prowler!!! We are looking for a wes/Kaos battle here not you rambling bullshit
So you don't think that God anointed Cruz to be the next POTUS? Gasp.
Title: Re: Cruz almost had my vote
Post by: GH2001 on February 18, 2016, 11:18:57 AM
So you don't think that God anointed Cruz to be the next POTUS? Gasp.

Patronizing and sensationalism is always a sound basis.