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The Library => Haley Center Basement => Topic started by: WiregrassTiger on January 14, 2015, 10:21:08 AM
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Maybe you remember the video one of the local pigs put up of a violent cop killing a while back, captured by the dashboard cam. A 22 year old cop stops a Vietnam vet for speeding, then the guy starts dancing around, saying shoot me, etc.
Well, he gone. Georgia laid him to rest.
The video is powerful in many ways to me. First, it was funny to me when the old guy starts dancing around, like: "Ha Ha, that guys crazy!"
Then, it all of the sudden gets really crazy as the guy goes to his truck to load his rifle. This is when the cop should have either started shooting or got the hell out of dodge. He was trying his best to not shoot the old fellow, it's obvious. But it cost him his life. Vet goes full jungle warfare mode on camera.
Worst part is that a 22 year old cop lost his life. Second worst is that 66 yr old Vietnam vet shot him. Even thought the guy had PTSD, he knew what he was doing was wrong and this story has ended.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/us-war-vet-with-ptsd-executed-for-cop-murder/ar-AA890km?ocid=DELLDHP (http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/us-war-vet-with-ptsd-executed-for-cop-murder/ar-AA890km?ocid=DELLDHP)
US war vet with PTSD executed for cop murder
File picture shows officers with the Georgia Department of Corrections are seen at the entrance to the Georgia Diagnostic and Classification Prison in Jackson, Georgia  © Provided by AFP File picture shows officers with the Georgia Department of Corrections are seen at the entrance to the Georgia Diagnostic and Classification Prison in Jackson, Georgia
A Vietnam war vet with post-traumatic stress disorder was executed Tuesday in the southern state of Georgia for murdering a police officer, the country's first death row inmate killed this year.
Andrew Howard Brannan, 66, was declared dead by lethal injection at 8:33 pm (0133 GMT Wednesday) at an execution chamber in Jackson, Georgia, prison spokeswoman Susan Megahee told AFP.
Brannan, who fought in the Vietnam War, was diagnosed with post-traumatic stress disorder and was convicted in January 2000 for the murder of 22-year-old police officer Kyle Dinkheller.
This undated prison photo provided by the Georgia Department of Corrections shows convicted murderer Andrew Brannan.  © Georgia Department of Corrections/AP Photo This undated prison photo provided by the Georgia Department of Corrections shows convicted murderer Andrew Brannan.
Georgia's State Board of Pardons and Paroles had considered clemency Monday, but denied a stay of execution and said Brannan was guilty of "malice murder."
A dashboard police camera recorded Dinkheller's death on January 12, 1998, after the officer stopped Brannan for speeding.
The video shows Brannan dancing and yelling insults at the officer before taunting the officer to kill him, according to court documents.
Brannan then reached into his car and pulled out a gun, shooting the officer nine times, including once at close range.
The Georgia Supreme Court reinstated Brannan's death sentence in 2008 after a lower court judge struck it down. Last June, the US Supreme Court rejected his appeal.
The top US court rejected a last-ditch appeal Tuesday evening.
Brannan's lawyers argued he was a courageous soldier who volunteered to fight for his country and did not deserve to be killed.
"Andrew Brannan was decorated for heroic combat service," said attorney Brian Kammer.
"Brannan suffered severe, debilitating mental illness as a result of his combat experiences whose symptoms continued to manifest up to the time of the crime," Kammer wrote in a final appeal.
The lawyer called for a "categorical exemption" from capital punishment for veterans such as Brannan and argued the execution was unconstitutional.
"A categorical exclusion is warranted because combat veterans with PTSD are meaningfully distinguishable from other capital offenders," he said.
Brannan's lawyers had not denied that he killed Dinkheller, but argued for clemency based on his mental illness.
"There was a direct connection between his service in Vietnam and the violence that he was exposed to there and the ultimate events that occurred here," defense lawyer Joe Loveland said.
In 2014, the number of executions in the United States fell to its lowest in 20 years, with a total of 35 inmates executed across the country, according to the Death Penalty Information Center.
A total of 29 states plus the US capital Washington have either abolished the death penalty or no longer use it.
http://youtu.be/L6z8q4lOrDU (http://youtu.be/L6z8q4lOrDU)
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I'd like the view from the men in blue.
Not to sound harsh but seems to me the deputy gave him way to much warning and leniency. Seems like he should have slapped him in handcuffs when he charged at him.
Terrible shame the deputy lost his life, and folks wonder why incidents like Michael Brown happen.
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BTW ...PTSD or not they should have fried that guy!
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I'd like the view from the men in blue.
Not to sound harsh but seems to me the deputy gave him way to much warning and leniency. Seems like he should have slapped him in handcuffs when he charged at him.
Terrible shame the deputy lost his life, and folks wonder why incidents like Michael Brown happen.
I would say he should have shot him when he charged him. Way too much leniency, fosho. But, putting myself in that position at 22, I'm sure the officer was thinking that it would be like shooting his dad or someone in his family. Maybe the guy had a Vietnam sticker on his back glass, who knows?
Regardless, it's a terrible way for the kid to have to go. Just out doing his job one minute and then gone the next.
And this guy fully intended to kill him. No question about that.
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BTW ...PTSD or not they should have fried that guy!
Correct. Plenty of folks in this world who suffer from one mental disorder or another. Plenty of options by which one can receive assistance for coping with disorder. Plenty of people who do so.
Once you've proven you can no longer function in society, society should no longer have to function with you.
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As Chris Kyle's brother has stated, PTSD is now the newest excuse for any bad behavoir...and thats what it is - a fucking excuse. May this MFer rot in hell.
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Well that's a hell of a video to get the day going. Not sure what I was expecting after reading the article.
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Well that's a hell of a video to get the day going. Not sure what I was expecting after reading the article.
Yeah no shit
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There's long since been blatant abuse of our vets by the police in this country. The vetism must stop. I say all vets should protest, march and burn down a few stores. But make sure and steal everything first. Maybe then the police will understand that vetism has no place in society.
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I'd like the view from the men in blue.
Not to sound harsh but seems to me the deputy gave him way to much warning and leniency. Seems like he should have slapped him in handcuffs when he charged at him.
Terrible shame the deputy lost his life, and folks wonder why incidents like Michael Brown happen.
That is one of the first videos they play in the LE academy. I don't like to second guess deputies and officers, because until you are in a situation with a hostile subject, you can't say what you'd do. There is literally no time to think in some situations. Shit happens fast, just like this.
With that said, this shit isn't for everyone. That's exactly how not to handle a situation. He should have gained control over that guy, with whatever non lethal force necessary when the suspect walked back to the officer. That suspect should have NEVER been allowed to walk back to his truck nor reach into his truck to pull that weapon out. But when he did grab the gun and made a move to come out of the vehicle, he should have been shot at center mass until the threat was neutralized. Not shot in the leg, not shot in the arm. Shot in the chest multiple times. And because that officer couldn't make that decision, it cost him his life.
That is a tough video to watch, and there are hundreds more just like it. They just aren't always published for the media to view.
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That is one of the first videos they play in the LE academy. I don't like to second guess deputies and officers, because until you are in a situation with a hostile subject, you can't say what you'd do.
This is the thing that we have to realize. Although it's easy to sit back and say, "I wudda", nope. No way to know. I certainly don't know what would've been going through my mind.
I can only say that "I think" I would have unloaded either when he charged or when he started loading his rifle. Or, I would've hopped in the lice mobile and spun dirt as fast as she would go.
Fear makes some people more volatile and dangerous than anger or meanness sometimes. I'm a dangerous man.
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There's long since been blatant abuse of our vets by the police in this country. The vetism must stop. I say all vets should protest, march and burn down a few stores. But make sure and steal everything first. Maybe then the police will understand that vetism has no place in society.
We do, its just in other countries is so much more fun.
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Something else I think a lot of people (LEO and non LEO) don't understand is, loud repeated verbal commands aren't meant to repeat 100 times. The officer just keeps yelling "Sir get back" and "put the gun down". Over and over. Until he is killed. The vet was posturing, when he realized the officer wasn't going to do anything, he knew he could do whatever he wanted. If he is told once to get back, and then gets his ass folded up like a pretzel and put in handcuffs when he doesn't comply, they are both still alive today.
There is a fantastic book called "on killing" written by Lt. Col. Dave Grossman. I recommend it to anyone who is curious about this topic.
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That is one of the first videos they play in the LE academy. I don't like to second guess deputies and officers, because until you are in a situation with a hostile subject, you can't say what you'd do. There is literally no time to think in some situations. Shit happens fast, just like this.
With that said, this shit isn't for everyone. That's exactly how not to handle a situation. He should have gained control over that guy, with whatever non lethal force necessary when the suspect walked back to the officer. That suspect should have NEVER been allowed to walk back to his truck nor reach into his truck to pull that weapon out. But when he did grab the gun and made a move to come out of the vehicle, he should have been shot at center mass until the threat was neutralized. Not shot in the leg, not shot in the arm. Shot in the chest multiple times. And because that officer couldn't make that decision, it cost him his life.
That is a tough video to watch, and there are hundreds more just like it. They just aren't always published for the media to view.
I agree with this, but since it was not handled well, I have no problem saying this dude was crazy as hell. PTSD accompanied by bipolar disorder. No way this guy should fry. Life without parole. If we fry him, then anyone who commits a murder with a messed up head should fry. (not that most of them are sane anyway) This guy didn't come out afterward and claim crazy, hell he showed crazy from the beginning.
Don't get me wrong. I won't miss him or fight for him, but we do have standards set already.
If we throw those standards out, then I'm fine with that too as long as we clean house of all of them. We can't pick and choose just because the victim was LE.
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I agree with this, but since it was not handled well, I have no problem saying this dude was crazy as hell. PTSD accompanied by bipolar disorder. No way this guy should fry. Life without parole. If we fry him, then anyone who commits a murder with a messed up head should fry. (not that most of them are sane anyway) This guy didn't come out afterward and claim crazy, hell he showed crazy from the beginning.
Don't get me wrong. I won't miss him or fight for him, but we do have standards set already.
If we throw those standards out, then I'm fine with that too as long as we clean house of all of them. We can't pick and choose just because the victim was LE.
I am really surprised that you take this stance. I won't argue it. It's your right.
I'll just say this guy got what he asked for, in a sense anyway. He told the cop to shoot him. Yes, he was as crazy as bat shit. Yes, he was a Vietnam Vet and I have a lot of respect for them. At the same time, if I were on a jury, this is as premeditated of a murder as can be, imo. Regardless of his imbalances, that mofo knew it wasn't right to shoot a cop. Reload and shoot a cop.
Executions and abortion are delicate and complicated subjects. And I can find myself questioning circumstances with either. In this instance, I don't have any qualms with the verdict. None.
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I am really surprised that you take this stance. I won't argue it. It's your right.
I'll just say this guy got what he asked for, in a sense anyway. He told the cop to shoot him. Yes, he was as crazy as bat shit. Yes, he was a Vietnam Vet and I have a lot of respect for them. At the same time, if I were on a jury, this is as premeditated of a murder as can be, imo. Regardless of his imbalances, that mofo knew it wasn't right to shoot a cop. Reload and shoot a cop.
Executions and abortion are delicate and complicated subjects. And I can find myself questioning circumstances with either. In this instance, I don't have any qualms with the verdict. None.
Oh, I have no problem frying a bastage. And I would have no problem with this if he claimed to have JUST PTSD. But this guy was also bipolar. he was messed up from the get-go. And like I said, if you do him, hurry up and get the rest of the crazies too.
We have precedent in place for just this type of thing. If a person is crazy, you don't fry them (not that I agree with it). And dude is obviously batshit crazy.
When the law becomes arbitrary and random, there will be no reason to follow any law.
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Oh, I have no problem frying a bastage. And I would have no problem with this if he claimed to have JUST PTSD. But this guy was also bipolar. he was messed up from the get-go. And like I said, if you do him, hurry up and get the rest of the crazies too.
We have precedent in place for just this type of thing. If a person is crazy, you don't fry them (not that I agree with it). And dude is obviously batshit crazy.
When the law becomes arbitrary and random, there will be no reason to follow any law.
Are you o.k. with serial killers getting the death penalty? I would assume not, right? Since they are obviously bat shit crazy.
In my view, most anyone who kills someone in a situation other than their life being in danger, is some degree of crazy.
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Are you o.k. with serial killers getting the death penalty? I would assume not, right? Since they are obviously bat shit crazy.
In my view, most anyone who kills someone in a situation other than their life being in danger, is some degree of crazy.
I'm fine with killing the serial killers as they are sociopaths and there is no medication to cure that.
Bipolar and PTSD are a bit different than just not having a conscience.
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Just a question where are you getting the bipolar thing from, I 'm not seeing that?
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Just a question where are you getting the bipolar thing from, I 'm not seeing that?
It was in a lot of other articles. Says he was off of his meds at the time.
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/georgia-vet-ptsd-first-person-be-executed-2015-n284946 (http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/georgia-vet-ptsd-first-person-be-executed-2015-n284946)
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The other thing that was not mentioned often is that the cop had been disciplined two weeks earlier for being too rough on suspects. So he was probably being more cautious than he would have because he was afraid of getting in trouble again. That's going to be the aftermath of the Trayvon/Michael Brown shit - cops TOO afraid of getting in trouble to do what they NEED to do to protect themselves or others.
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Who else was in the truck and why are they not complicit?
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Who else was in the truck and why are they not complicit?
That dog did nothing wrong.
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The last shot you hear is when Brannan walks over to Dinkheller after shooting him several times, and stands over him and shoots him in the face. It is a hard one to watch, not just because he is a LEO, but because he is a human being doing a job that not many people wish to do once they are no longer playing in the back yard with their friends. A job that I can say without knowing, he didn't get paid enough to do. A job where most people just want to sit back and curse him until they need him for something. Dinkheller was wrong, and like Token stated, it cost him his life. I have said it before and I will say it again, if you don't think you can pull the trigger when the time comes, then find another job.
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The other thing that was not mentioned often is that the cop had been disciplined two weeks earlier for being too rough on suspects. So he was probably being more cautious than he would have because he was afraid of getting in trouble again. That's going to be the aftermath of the Trayvon/Michael Brown shit - cops TOO afraid of getting in trouble to do what they NEED to do to protect themselves or others.
Already happening in NYC....
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That dog did nothing wrong.
Pretty sure that I heard him barking derogatory remarks toward the cop when the perp opened the drivers door.
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Pretty sure WT is correct in that it isn't that you're mentally ill, but just how mentally ill are you. Most killers are some kind of crazy, after all. You can be bi-polar or even tri-polar and be declared mentally competent to stand trial and be executed.
This may be just me but I don't think there should be such a thing as life in prison. Not because I'm angry, or want revenge or even because I think its our place to visit vengeance upon murderers, I just think its pretty impractical to pay to keep someone alive for 75 years after they've been declared unfit for society. Heck, life in prison is probably the most cruel and unusual punishment modern society inflicts, we keep you alive under extremely shitty circumstances while you wait to die and clog up the legal system with appeals. Its a huge drain upon our resources and for what?
I love my country but damn we flush a lot of time and money down the shitter.
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Pretty sure WT is correct in that it isn't that you're mentally ill, but just how mentally ill are you. Most killers are some kind of crazy, after all. You can be bi-polar or even tri-polar and be declared mentally competent to stand trial and be executed.
This may be just me but I don't think there should be such a thing as life in prison. Not because I'm angry, or want revenge or even because I think its our place to visit vengeance upon murderers, I just think its pretty impractical to pay to keep someone alive for 75 years after they've been declared unfit for society. Heck, life in prison is probably the most cruel and unusual punishment modern society inflicts, we keep you alive under extremely shitty circumstances while you wait to die and clog up the legal system with appeals. Its a huge drain upon our resources and for what?
I love my country but damn we flush a lot of time and money down the shitter.
I'm with you on that. I grew up watching a lot of old movies. They would hang a bastard in second back then.
and you knew, good people were good, and bad ones were just nasty. They knew if they got caught, there weren't no prison for them.
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Oh, I have no problem frying a bastage. And I would have no problem with this if he claimed to have JUST PTSD. But this guy was also bipolar. he was messed up from the get-go. And like I said, if you do him, hurry up and get the rest of the crazies too.
We have precedent in place for just this type of thing. If a person is crazy, you don't fry them (not that I agree with it). And dude is obviously batshit crazy.
When the law becomes arbitrary and random, there will be no reason to follow any law.
(http://imgstore.jailbase.com/arrested/al-mcso/2014-06-12/clint-preston-saucier-20140612-201400011031.pic1.jpg)
http://jail.com/arrest-records/clint-saucier-7975542 (http://jail.com/arrest-records/clint-saucier-7975542)
I can testify to this guy's batshit craziness because I experienced it firsthand. This guy, while working for the VA, walked into work on day and told his coworkers that he is threatening the POTUS back when Clittin' was in orifice. Needless to say, the POS went to jail for his actions. This dude is really spent and I could see him doing something like what the old vet did. Clint is also a vet. I'm not sharing my experience with you guys, but take my word for it, that motherfucker is CRAZY!!! BTW, he was arrested for domestic violence against my ex-wife, so there is a KARMA God I'm sure.
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