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Title: Better Call Saul
Post by: wesfau2 on December 02, 2014, 08:37:04 AM
Thoughts on the first preview?

Clearly geared to existing fans rather than trying to recruit new ones.

Funny to see the humble roots of Saul and Mike.  If you have never seen BB, I imagine this didn't really whet your appetite.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: Townhallsavoy on December 02, 2014, 08:53:18 AM
Not excited.

This needs to be more than Saul buffoonery and Breaking Bad cameos. 

I think Vince could have done much better than this.  If he wanted to stay in the Breaking Bad universe, I think he should have done a show about Mike going from cop to head hitman for drug cartels.  That would be interesting, similar to the feel of Breaking Bad, and potentially successful.

Saul just doesn't have the depth of character.  He's a quirky, funny guy good for one liners, but what the hell is going to carry the show?  Seems like it can't be anything more than a procedural with hijinks and outlandish criminals that he gets out of going to jail.  Which was already done with Jesse in Breaking Bad.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: Catphish Tilly on December 02, 2014, 09:25:20 AM
I feel the same way. I'm currently streaming through season 4 of BB (first watch), so I can't talk like an expert yet. However so far, everything I've seen of Saul tells me that he's an excellent supporting character would be a repetitive and cheesy lead.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: AUTiger1 on December 02, 2014, 11:45:50 AM
I'm going to watch just because I am a huge BB fan.  Trying to go into it without any expectations.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: War Eagle!!! on December 02, 2014, 12:54:15 PM
I am excited about it. I loved Saul and Mike on BB. I am excited until I see if the show is good. The preview is pretty funny and the same Saul and Mike characteristics are seen...so thumbs up for that.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: Kaos on December 02, 2014, 01:01:00 PM
I saw this show when it was on NBC (I think), starred Greg Kinnear, had some decently hot women in it and was called "Rake".  I think I was the only person in the US who watched and enjoyed it.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: Townhallsavoy on January 15, 2015, 08:11:31 AM
Second trailer:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1xIGfVFb-U#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1xIGfVFb-U#ws)

Definitely looks better than the first trailer portrayed.  I just hope there's an overall point to the series.  If it's just following Saul around, it's not going to work.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: Kaos on January 15, 2015, 10:32:55 AM
Second trailer:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1xIGfVFb-U#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1xIGfVFb-U#ws)

Definitely looks better than the first trailer portrayed.  I just hope there's an overall point to the series.  If it's just following Saul around, it's not going to work.

The story I hope it turns out to be is like the one I'm currently writing. 

How somebody good and decent and upstanding gets turned. 

Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: Townhallsavoy on January 15, 2015, 10:48:09 AM
The story I hope it turns out to be is like the one I'm currently writing. 

How somebody good and decent and upstanding gets turned.

I read a rumor that Better Call Saul will start six years before Breaking Bad and conclude after the events of Breaking Bad.

That piques my interest.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: Townhallsavoy on February 09, 2015, 12:51:57 AM
I'm hooked. 
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: CCTAU on February 09, 2015, 01:03:57 AM
I saw this show when it was on NBC (I think), starred Greg Kinnear, had some decently hot women in it and was called "Rake".  I think I was the only person in the US who watched and enjoyed it.

I tried to watch it. I really did. And I am easily amused. But that show just stank. I quit laughing at the guy and just started feeling sad.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: Kaos on February 09, 2015, 07:50:15 AM

I'm between hooked and bored.  As a premiere it had some major flaws.  Not sure how it's going to draw in new viewers with that.  The best part of the show was a call back to another show.  If all it wants to do is retain a small percentage of Breaking Bad fans who would watch anything associated with it including the Skinny Pete and Badger Variety Show then it did its job.  If the show has aspirations of reaching beyond the hardest core BB followers then I think it missed the mark. 

Odenkirk is great in small doses.  I don't know that his quirkyness can carry an entire show like this.  It followed the BB tradition of giving you small tidbits of information that may mean something entirely different when you finally (and it may take weeks) get to the explanation.  I know it's already gotten a season two greenlight, but unless it grows a lot I don't see it pulling enough viewers to care by the time the decision to renew for a third comes around. 

I'm sure it drew massive ratings last night.  My guess is that tonight's episode brings back only about half of that total. 

I'd like to be wrong, but this seems like a great idea for comic relief inside another series, but incomplete as a stand alone.  I loved Breaking Bad when I finally started watching it.  Unless tonight picks up I'm going to remove Saul from my DVR list. 
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: Townhallsavoy on February 09, 2015, 08:28:10 AM
I thought it did a really good job of opening up Saul's character.  I actually thought the Breaking Bad cameos took away from the show.  Mike was definitely pointless in his small scene though from what I understand he will come to play a bigger role as Saul becomes entrenched in the drug game. 

Tuco wasn't necessary.  I know his character.  He's crazy.  He's going to do crazy shit.  We've seen him before.  We know both Tuco and Saul survive. 

There were plenty of arcs introduced that I can follow.  Maybe it could have been done more intriguingly.  Honestly, I was hoping they would have taken Saul away from New Mexico.  Let him start somewhere else then bring him into the Breaking Bad universe later on. 

But I will say that though I'm interested in the show, I don't see the five season storyline here.  Two seasons would probably tell his story well enough. 
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: wesfau2 on February 10, 2015, 09:28:26 AM
I'm really enjoying this show.  The callback to the "managing a Cinnabon in Omaha" line from BB was a nice touch. 

Surely Jimmy/Saul/Gene's cocktail of choice in the post-BB world, the rusty nail, is significant in some way.  A lot of effort was put into the audience knowing the ingredients.

I think we got to see a great depth of character from Jimmy in the first episode.  He was predictably over the top in the courtroom, but we also see that he is financially covering for his batshit-crazy brother and is genuinely upset when he and Chuck have their confrontation over money. 

The history behind "Slippin' Jimmy" (and the acknowledgment of it as a point of contention between Jimmy and Chuck) and the mention of Jimmy's "cronies in the mailroom" show us that Jimmy is a hustler at heart and not born to the lofty ideals that Chuck holds (see his reasons for not cashing out of the firm).  How did they end up so different?  Are they biological brothers or is Jimmy adopted?  Who is Kim?

Getting Tuco back in the show was an instant jolt of excitement.  You knew shit was going to get messy and unpredictable.  It also gets us to Jimmy's entrance into the underworld sooner rather than later...and isn't that what we really want: to see Jimmy become Saul and work his shady magic?

I think watching BCS without having seen BB would make this exposition plodding, but I think the eventual payoff is going to be spectacular (especially if the viewer were then to continue watching through the finale of BB).
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: djsimp on February 10, 2015, 09:55:57 AM
I loved Breaking Bad and I can certainly see the same type of writing/directing in BSC. I like that. I can also see how some may of thought the first episode was not so great, hence the network releasing the first two episodes on back to back nights. I think I will enjoy the show and looking foward to seeing jump knee deep into some shiznit next week.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: Townhallsavoy on February 10, 2015, 11:08:19 AM
I actually thought the Tuco scene was a bit weak and definitely too drawn out.  A lot of mulling around, too much Saul talking.  I get that it was supposed to show that he is a smooth talker and does use his annoying mouth to get out of precarious situations, but Tuco didn't seem to have it in him to put forth the performance like he did in season 1 of Breaking Bad. 

But all in all, I'm excited about this show.  I think it's also going to expose more institutional issues in the area that set up for Gus and Walt to be as successful as they were.  Something's amiss here.  I can feel it.  They're already setting it up with the crazy-rich law firm, Tuco and Mike's presence, and the fact that there is a side guy working for Tuco that wants to do business with Saul.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: wesfau2 on February 10, 2015, 11:12:47 AM
I actually thought the Tuco scene was a bit weak and definitely too drawn out.  A lot of mulling around, too much Saul talking.  I get that it was supposed to show that he is a smooth talker and does use his annoying mouth to get out of precarious situations, but Tuco didn't seem to have it in him to put forth the performance like he did in season 1 of Breaking Bad. 

Tuco was spiraling out of control as his meth use intensified during BB.  We're seeing him here 6 years before that extreme drug intake.  He's still a psycho motherfucker, but he's less unstable (relatively speaking, of course).

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But all in all, I'm excited about this show.  I think it's also going to expose more institutional issues in the area that set up for Gus and Walt to be as successful as they were. 

Yeah, the formation and organization of the Chicken/Dry Cleaning empire is intriguing to me in a professional sense.   

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Something's amiss here.  I can feel it.  They're already setting it up with the crazy-rich law firm, Tuco and Mike's presence, and the fact that there is a side guy working for Tuco that wants to do business with Saul.

Of course, otherwise there's no story.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: Godfather on February 10, 2015, 11:44:54 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIom3LSbB0I#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIom3LSbB0I#ws)
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: wesfau2 on February 10, 2015, 11:53:24 AM
Peter's half-right. 

I wasn't as impressed by the Wire as the rest of the free world, apparently.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: War Eagle!!! on February 10, 2015, 12:10:59 PM
I'm really enjoying this show.  The callback to the "managing a Cinnabon in Omaha" line from BB was a nice touch. 

Surely Jimmy/Saul/Gene's cocktail of choice in the post-BB world, the rusty nail, is significant in some way.  A lot of effort was put into the audience knowing the ingredients.

I think we got to see a great depth of character from Jimmy in the first episode.  He was predictably over the top in the courtroom, but we also see that he is financially covering for his batshit-crazy brother and is genuinely upset when he and Chuck have their confrontation over money. 

The history behind "Slippin' Jimmy" (and the acknowledgment of it as a point of contention between Jimmy and Chuck) and the mention of Jimmy's "cronies in the mailroom" show us that Jimmy is a hustler at heart and not born to the lofty ideals that Chuck holds (see his reasons for not cashing out of the firm).  How did they end up so different?  Are they biological brothers or is Jimmy adopted?  Who is Kim?

Getting Tuco back in the show was an instant jolt of excitement.  You knew shit was going to get messy and unpredictable.  It also gets us to Jimmy's entrance into the underworld sooner rather than later...and isn't that what we really want: to see Jimmy become Saul and work his shady magic?

I think watching BCS without having seen BB would make this exposition plodding, but I think the eventual payoff is going to be spectacular (especially if the viewer were then to continue watching through the finale of BB).

Pretty much all of this.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: AUTiger1 on February 10, 2015, 12:19:05 PM
Can I rent this from amazon?
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: wesfau2 on February 10, 2015, 03:24:45 PM
Can I rent this from amazon?

You might have to wait a few days.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: Godfather on February 10, 2015, 03:33:33 PM
Can I rent this from amazon?

Be kind rewind.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: AUTiger1 on February 10, 2015, 03:34:44 PM
You might have to wait a few days.

Not a problem.  I am a season behind on SOA anyways.  Get caught up on that and give this a shot.  I am looking forward to it since BB was my favorite TV show of all time.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: dallaswareagle on February 10, 2015, 04:46:33 PM
Not a problem.  I am a season behind on SOA anyways.  Get caught up on that and give this a shot.  I am looking forward to it since BB was my favorite TV show of all time.


Spolier Alert:











Somebody dies.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: Snaggletiger on February 10, 2015, 05:06:06 PM

Spolier Alert:











Somebody dies.

DOH!!!!!  Really???  Thanks a lot.  That's just mean spirited.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: Kaos on February 10, 2015, 10:58:20 PM
Okay, first I want to congratulate myself for being EXACTLY right. 


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http://www.ew.com/article/2015/02/10/better-call-saul-ratings-drop-record-premiere

Here are the results: Better Call Saul had 3.4 million viewers and a 1.6 rating among adults 18-49. That’s precisely a 50 percent drop in viewers, along with a 52 percent fade in the demo.

Remember who said this?

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I'm sure it drew massive ratings last night.  My guess is that tonight's episode brings back only about half of that total. 

If you said Kaos?  You're gotDAMN right. 

And therein lies some of the problem.  The second show was, IMO much better than the first.  After it got the Tuco shit out of the way early it moved at a pretty good pace and the character started to take shape.  Problem is that only half the people who watched the blah first episode bothered to come back for the second one.  The first episode didn't do enough for anybody who wasn't already a part of the Bad universe to bring them back in. 

I feel better about the series overall after seeing the second episode but I still have my doubts. 

I don't like Chuck and think that may be a dead end story that needs to go away. 
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: Godfather on February 11, 2015, 09:07:25 AM
I don't like Chuck and think that may be a dead end story that needs to go away.

Chuck might have been a bit of a doof, but Sarah Walker (Yvonne Strahovski) was hot as hell.

(http://images4.fanpop.com/image/photos/19700000/Chuck-1x11-yvonne-strahovski-19727202-720-400.jpg)

(http://www.yvonne-strahovski.eu/gallery/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Yvonne-Strahovski-PETAs-30th-Anniversary-Gala-Humanitarian-Awards-022.jpg)
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: wesfau2 on February 11, 2015, 09:35:12 AM
Okay, first I want to congratulate myself for being EXACTLY right. 


Remember who said this?

If you said Kaos?  You're gotDAMN right. 

And therein lies some of the problem.  The second show was, IMO much better than the first.  After it got the Tuco shit out of the way early it moved at a pretty good pace and the character started to take shape.  Problem is that only half the people who watched the blah first episode bothered to come back for the second one.  The first episode didn't do enough for anybody who wasn't already a part of the Bad universe to bring them back in. 

I feel better about the series overall after seeing the second episode but I still have my doubts. 

I don't like Chuck and think that may be a dead end story that needs to go away.

I think some of the viewers were confused by the consecutive night's episodes.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: Kaos on February 11, 2015, 09:35:36 AM
Chuck might have been a bit of a doof, but Sarah Walker (Yvonne Strahovski) was hot as hell.

(http://images4.fanpop.com/image/photos/19700000/Chuck-1x11-yvonne-strahovski-19727202-720-400.jpg)

(http://www.yvonne-strahovski.eu/gallery/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Yvonne-Strahovski-PETAs-30th-Anniversary-Gala-Humanitarian-Awards-022.jpg)

Dexter fucked her. She was all kinds of naked on the killing table.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: Kaos on February 11, 2015, 09:36:48 AM
I think some of the viewers were confused by the consecutive night's episodes.

Then they shouldn't breed. They only ran ads for it every eleven seconds for 90 days. 
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: Townhallsavoy on February 11, 2015, 10:12:29 AM
I think some of the viewers were confused by the consecutive night's episodes.

I did watch it the second night, but it was late.  I couldn't convince my wife to watch it again because as she said - "Didn't we watch it last night?"

It was a bad idea to run it two nights in a row.  Should have just done a two hour special if they felt the need to get the ball rolling that quickly.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: ssgaufan on February 11, 2015, 04:31:43 PM
I'm with the majority here, the 1st episode was pretty boring, but the second one shows some promise of getting back to the Bad style.  I'll stick around and see where it goes this season.

Agree with Kaos about the Chuck line as well.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: Jumbo on February 11, 2015, 06:49:46 PM
The second episode was great I think it's going to be a great show.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: Godfather on February 12, 2015, 08:25:09 AM
The second episode was great I think it's going to be a great show.
What's your opinion of traffic lights?
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: Token on February 16, 2015, 11:19:28 PM
Good episode tonight. I like how they are setting show up. Maybe some don't like it, but I'm in.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: Townhallsavoy on February 17, 2015, 10:34:25 AM
Good episode tonight. I like how they are setting show up. Maybe some don't like it, but I'm in.

Same here. 
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: Token on March 10, 2015, 12:35:57 AM
If you're not watching this show, you are seriously missing out.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: Kaos on March 10, 2015, 12:38:57 AM
The cinematography is good, but it's just not holding me. 

It's not "must see" by any stretch of the imagination.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: Token on March 10, 2015, 12:55:04 AM
To be fair, you rarely back off your initial opinion. You were never going to like the show. 

With that said, tonight's episode was very good. They are doing a great job of showing the beginning of the the partnership between Jimmy and Mike. Jonathan Banks was good as Mike in breaking bad. He was fantastic in tonight's episode. Maybe the show isn't for everyone. I really like it.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: djsimp on March 17, 2015, 08:34:41 AM
So Mike and Saul have their first gig together.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: Token on March 17, 2015, 08:56:33 AM
So Mike and Saul have their first gig together.

Which I'm willing to bet is the last time they "do the right thing". 

Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: djsimp on March 17, 2015, 11:10:51 AM
Which I'm willing to bet is the last time they "do the right thing".

They both looked long and hard at that bag full of money. Plus, it looks like Mike went back to see the Vet about some side work.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: Saniflush on March 18, 2015, 07:11:40 AM
This show is badass and I really wanted to take Betsy Kettleman to pound town.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: Kaos on March 18, 2015, 08:16:49 AM
This show is badass and I really wanted to take Betsy Kettleman to pound town.

I'm yawning through it.  I forget it's on, find it in my DVR queue accidentally and try to watch it.  I've yet to make it to the end of one without falling asleep. 
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: WiregrassTiger on March 18, 2015, 10:27:33 AM
This show is badass and I really wanted to take Betsy Kettleman to pound town.
I heard Betsy say that she thinks you're gay. You have a long way to go if you're going to ever get her to strap some of that pussy on you.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: Saniflush on March 18, 2015, 12:53:31 PM
I heard Betsy say that she thinks you're gay. You have a long way to go if you're going to ever get her to strap some of that pussy on you.

Well Betsy is as fucked up in the head as a football bat but those are usually quite fun in the sack.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: wesfau2 on April 07, 2015, 03:23:43 PM
Goddamn, this show is good.  The corner has been turned.  Turns out Saul Goodman is a tribute to Marco.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: Token on April 07, 2015, 03:31:13 PM
Which I'm willing to bet is the last time they "do the right thing". 


Damn, almost nailed that line. Great show. Can't wait for next season. It's not really what I expected when I heard the spinoff was being filmed, but they've done a great job in my opinion.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: wesfau2 on April 07, 2015, 03:47:04 PM
Damn, almost nailed that line. Great show. Can't wait for next season. It's not really what I expected when I heard the spinoff was being filmed, but they've done a great job in my opinion.

Fuck me.  Agreeing with the bama fan.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: Jumbo on April 17, 2015, 03:36:13 AM
Love, love this show.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: wesfau2 on January 11, 2016, 10:53:39 AM
Season 2 next month:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUDUowZbiU8
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: Townhallsavoy on January 12, 2016, 10:29:11 AM
May be worth picking up Hulu to see it. I loved the first season.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: wesfau2 on February 02, 2016, 11:22:59 AM
Netflix has Season 1 up as of yesterday.  Get caught up...Season 2 coming soon.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: Saniflush on February 02, 2016, 12:59:57 PM
Netflix has Season 1 up as of yesterday.  Get caught up...Season 2 coming soon.

The esteemed emerald coast barrister knows.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: wesfau2 on February 04, 2016, 10:51:37 PM
Rewatching first season...amazing.

Bob Odenkirk is a great man.  Humorous/serious/farcical...he can do it all.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: AUTiger1 on February 17, 2016, 11:18:29 AM
Finally got around to watching the first season.  Damn good show.  I usually wait until Netflix has a show I want, but will more than likely be doing the Hulu or Amazon thing on this season. 
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: War Eagle!!! on February 17, 2016, 02:40:12 PM
Season 2, Episode 1 starts out strong.

I love the writing and directing in this show.

Opening and closing scenes are beautiful. You see Saul "breaking bad" if you will. First scene he stays in a room with a dumpster for 2.5 hours because he doesn't want to open an emergency door for a non-emergency. Last scene he flips a light switch that says "do not turn off under any circumstance" just for the hell of it.

Great show.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: The Prowler on February 17, 2016, 05:29:45 PM
Any GTA V fans here might recognize the actor in the parking deck (hint: he's the voice actor for Trevor)...


http://youtu.be/NLsjmwt_KVw
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: wesfau2 on February 17, 2016, 06:42:55 PM
Season 2, Episode 1 starts out strong.

I love the writing and directing in this show.

Opening and closing scenes are beautiful. You see Saul "breaking bad" if you will. First scene he stays in a room with a dumpster for 2.5 hours because he doesn't want to open an emergency door for a non-emergency. Last scene he flips a light switch that says "do not turn off under any circumstance" just for the hell of it.

Great show.

Agreed, but you see it in reverse.  You see Jimmy go from habitual line stepper, to dumpster denizen.

Also...what's up with the hummingbird that flits across the screen when hummer guys goes to meet Nacho alone?
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: wesfau2 on February 23, 2016, 09:21:32 AM
Hoboken Squat Cobbler.

Fucking Odenkirk is a genius.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: djsimp on February 23, 2016, 01:18:19 PM
Hoboken Squat Cobbler.

Fucking Odenkirk is a genius.

There is one thing, you're gonna have to make a video.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: War Eagle!!! on February 24, 2016, 12:09:03 PM
Hoboken Squat Cobbler.

Fucking Odenkirk is a genius.

Agreed. Great scene.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: wesfau2 on March 03, 2016, 11:14:28 AM
Main is going to get his righteous indignation about Jimmy's commercial shoved up his ass by his other partners when they see how many clients it netted (especially compared to their previous shitty effort to get mesothelioma clients).

This will anger Chuck further and he's going to do something to get Jimmy fired.  Constantly skirting the ethical rules (and getting rewarded for doing so) really puts a bee in Chuck's bonnet and he will fuck his brother over it.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: Token on March 08, 2016, 09:30:01 PM
I like the shit out of Tuco.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: AUownsU on March 10, 2016, 06:38:32 PM
I like the shit out of Tuco.
Is that all you got? Haha. Nope. This show is fucking awesome. Neck and neck with Vikings as the best show on T.V.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: wesfau2 on March 12, 2016, 12:08:02 PM
Main is going to get his righteous indignation about Jimmy's commercial shoved up his ass by his other partners when they see how many clients it netted (especially compared to their previous shitty effort to get mesothelioma clients).

This will anger Chuck further and he's going to do something to get Jimmy fired.  Constantly skirting the ethical rules (and getting rewarded for doing so) really puts a bee in Chuck's bonnet and he will fuck his brother over it.

Well, I was pretty fucking wrong about nearly everything.

Mike is a goddamned badass.  "Is that all you got?"
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: wesfau2 on March 25, 2016, 08:05:50 AM
Fuckin A.  The creepy Salamanco twins make an appearance.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: Token on March 25, 2016, 09:54:29 AM
Fuckin A.  The creepy Salamanco twins make an appearance.

Two really good storylines going on at the same time. Great show.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: Kaos on March 28, 2016, 11:53:18 PM
I've come to like this show very much. 

I wasn't a big fan of the measured pace at first, but over time it has grown on me.  I appreciate the attention to detail.  I'm just so used to shows so desperate to stay on the schedule that they blow their wad early and have nothing left, I guess, that I wanted the quick fix. 

I'm still waiting for him to become Saul, but that looks like it may be even another season off.  Three episodes left, so it may still happen.  If it doesn't? I'm fine with that. 

I wondered if Vince G was a one-hit wonder and doubted he could recreate the power of Breaking Bad.  What's interesting to me is that this is a very, very different show that's set in the same universe. It tackles similar themes of personal morality and the vast grey area that exists between right and wrong, but handles those themes in a completely different manner.  And yet does so with just as much skill and with a touch just as deft. 

I was impatient in the beginning, but am now along for the ride.  It's not "must see" yet like Breaking Bad was.  I don't build my schedule so I can watch in real time,  but I'm always glad to find it on the DVR on a Monday night. 
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: wesfau2 on April 04, 2016, 08:50:20 AM

I'm still waiting for him to become Saul, but that looks like it may be even another season off.  Three episodes left, so it may still happen.  If it doesn't? I'm fine with that. 

We saw the initial step: hanging the middle finger at D&M's establishment values.

The colorful wardrobe, the inflatable dancing guy, his return to strip-mall office space...all Goodman hallmarks.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: Token on April 06, 2016, 03:34:45 PM
Fantastic opening scene. This show is incredible.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: War Eagle!!! on April 12, 2016, 12:37:27 PM
Fantastic opening scene. This show is incredible.

Opening scenes are always fantastic. This week's was great as well.

The guy that was hi-jacked saw the blue car though. I bet that is why Mike gets out the big gun seen in the previews for the season finale.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: Kaos on April 12, 2016, 02:23:04 PM
Fantastic opening scene. This show is incredible.

I really, really like it.  But it hasn't reached the "incredible" level yet.  It's a lot better than most everything else on TV, but it doesn't hit home with everybody.  Even my breaking bad loving friends and family have let it drift.  Maybe they don't appreciate the long game (I didn't at first).  And you have to admit the pace can be deliberate to the point of absolutely crawling sometimes.  I'm encouraging people to watch it, but not having much luck getting anybody who wasn't in the Breaking Bad universe to even give it a shot. 

Sopranos?  Always back to that. I resisted, but one episode and I was completely hooked.  Same with Breaking Bad.   This show just doesn't have that same "drag you in and make you stay" hook that shows I'd rate as "incredible" do. 

It's very very good for what it is, but I just don't think it will ever have broad appeal. 
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: Jumbo on April 13, 2016, 03:17:55 AM
Fuckin A.  The creepy Salamanco twins make an appearance.
I love the integration of Breaking Bad characters.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: jmar on April 13, 2016, 04:51:27 AM
Agree it's a very good series but not as compelling as some others have been, most of whom we agree on.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: Kaos on April 19, 2016, 03:57:34 AM
The first scene, explaining the genesis of Chuck's perpetual hate for Jimmy, was really good.   

The rest left me a little flat.   As far as "season finales" go, it was lacking.   

I did find the secret hidden in the episode names interesting, but it should have paid off.   
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: GH2001 on April 19, 2016, 08:51:03 AM
The first scene, explaining the genesis of Chuck's perpetual hate for Jimmy, was really good.   

The rest left me a little flat.   As far as "season finales" go, it was lacking.   

I did find the secret hidden in the episode names interesting, but it should have paid off.

Mike reminds me a little of Tony S.  As far as their badassery but also having their own internal human struggles. And having to differentiate the two in their lives.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: wesfau2 on April 10, 2017, 01:13:59 PM
New season starts tonight.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: Kaos on April 10, 2017, 01:21:43 PM
New season starts tonight.

Fuck Bob Odenkirk. 

I vote with my dollars.  Won't watch his show. 
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: wesfau2 on April 10, 2017, 01:23:25 PM
Fuck Bob Odenkirk. 

I vote with my dollars.  Won't watch his show.

Ok, Spartacus, the rest of us will keep enjoying his work.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: Kaos on April 10, 2017, 01:31:38 PM
Ok, Spartacus, the rest of us will keep enjoying his work.

Maybe.  Maybe not. 

There are prices to be paid for bullshit rhetoric.  People are discovering that fact.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: wesfau2 on April 25, 2017, 09:25:13 AM
So...maybe Kaos is right and you guys aren't watching. 

But you're missing out if that's the case.  The first three episodes have set us up for a pretty precipitous fall from respectable, if hustling, lawyer to slimy, crime-facilitator.

Victor and Gus are in the picture and are menacing (each in his own way) as ever.

I'm guessing that Hamlin gets Chuck to agree to drop the charges in exchange for the complete dissociation of Jimmy from all things HHM...and might even include the stipulation that he not use the family name anymore.  Thus, Saul.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: Kaos on April 27, 2017, 11:33:49 PM
So...maybe Kaos is right and you guys aren't watching. 

But you're missing out if that's the case.  The first three episodes have set us up for a pretty precipitous fall from respectable, if hustling, lawyer to slimy, crime-facilitator.

Victor and Gus are in the picture and are menacing (each in his own way) as ever.

I'm guessing that Hamlin gets Chuck to agree to drop the charges in exchange for the complete dissociation of Jimmy from all things HHM...and might even include the stipulation that he not use the family name anymore.  Thus, Saul.

Series low last week. 

Tromped by Basketball Wives and TI and Tiny. 

Ouch. 

I don't miss it. 
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: War Eagle!!! on April 28, 2017, 09:26:20 AM
So...maybe Kaos is right and you guys aren't watching. 

But you're missing out if that's the case.  The first three episodes have set us up for a pretty precipitous fall from respectable, if hustling, lawyer to slimy, crime-facilitator.

Victor and Gus are in the picture and are menacing (each in his own way) as ever.

I'm guessing that Hamlin gets Chuck to agree to drop the charges in exchange for the complete dissociation of Jimmy from all things HHM...and might even include the stipulation that he not use the family name anymore.  Thus, Saul.

I still watch. And enjoy. If I let politics ruin all entertainment for me, it would be a shallow field.

That is a good guess on why he changes the name. I think Jimmy is going to have to fight though and will be able to weasel his way out in some way.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: Jumbo on May 03, 2017, 01:39:35 AM
Better Call Saul is now must see tv. The pace and attention to detail this season has been outstanding.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: wesfau2 on May 03, 2017, 09:36:33 AM
I still watch. And enjoy. If I let politics ruin all entertainment for me, it would be a shallow field.

That is a good guess on why he changes the name. I think Jimmy is going to have to fight though and will be able to weasel his way out in some way.

I thought it would be a package deal with the pre-prosecution diversion plan, but looks like Jimmy and Kim have some shenanigans up their sleeves vis a vis the bar complaint.

Pics of Chuck's house and acknowledgment of a duplicate tape will add up to something...maybe laying bare Chuck's "disability" as a sham?  Not sure the mechanics of the argument, but it won't end well for Chuck...and the blowback might also catch Jimmy.

Oh...the BB tie-ins...Eladio mocking Hector's tiny little stack of cash and the subsequent showdown with Gus.  If a bullet is too humane for him, then maybe pushing Hector over the top and forcing the debilitating stroke on him is not.  Then visiting him in the nursing home periodically to mock him...for the rest of his life...is cold-fucking-blooded.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: wesfau2 on May 08, 2017, 08:26:51 AM


Oh...the BB tie-ins...Eladio mocking Hector's tiny little stack of cash and the subsequent showdown with Gus.  If a bullet is too humane for him, then maybe pushing Hector over the top and forcing the debilitating stroke on him is not.  Then visiting him in the nursing home periodically to mock him...for the rest of his life...is cold-fucking-blooded.

I've been thinking about this a bit.  In BB, Walt was the character seen to be felled by his own hubris while Gus is the calculating, logical strategist who makes all the right moves.

But...BB was just a single slice of the overall story.  Taken over the longer timeline, Gus is just as petty and proud as Walt in wanting to torture Salamanca rather than letting Mike kill him with a single bullet.  That pettiness...that hubris in thinking that Gus could manipulate everyone to conform to his plan/wishes...gets his ass unnecessarily killed by Hector.


Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: wesfau2 on May 09, 2017, 01:00:58 PM
Brilliant way to bring Huell back!

Eat a dick, Chuck.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: War Eagle!!! on May 09, 2017, 01:03:53 PM
Brilliant way to bring Huell back!

Eat a dick, Chuck.

Agreed. Loved seeing him in the episode.

So they played Chuck like a fiddle. The only reason to make a big deal out of the tape was to make sure that Chuck got on the stand. Then let Jimmy do his thing. Got 'em...

Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: AUChizad on May 11, 2017, 04:29:18 PM
Brilliant way to bring Huell back!
Bill Burr's on deck.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: wesfau2 on May 11, 2017, 04:40:50 PM
Bill Burr's on deck.

Lord willing and the creek don't rise.

Was talking to my neighbor about Kim's absence in BB and wondering how/when she and Jimmy call it quits.  She suggested a little light googling of "ice station zebra associates."

Goddamn, Vince is good.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: Token on May 15, 2017, 10:53:04 PM
Damn. "It's all good, man". I would have never fucking guessed it. Also loved seeing the lab being purchased along with other meaningless scenes that connect the shows.

Incredible writing skills. You'd think the guy had this show in mind before he ever wrote breaking bad.

My guess is Saul Goodman is a way to bypass the year probation.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: AUChizad on May 16, 2017, 10:12:06 AM
Damn. "It's all good, man". I would have never fucking guessed it.

(http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/04/04fea3d3303cda1f0ab87101f426e7950291b305dd7361e34672152ec5db4dda.jpg)
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: wesfau2 on May 26, 2017, 09:19:25 AM
So, the Ice Station Zebra Associates stuff makes it pretty obvious that Kim is still involved when Skyler and Walt are looking to launder their ill-gotten dough.  She's looking pretty close to cracking right now.  Is it just the pantsing of Chuck in the hearing?  She seems, otherwise, to have the world by the balls pretty much: thriving solo practice with a cornerstone client.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: Token on May 26, 2017, 04:15:50 PM
For Jimmy to have such a fun loving upbeat personality he's a vengeful motherfucker to cross.  He would have certainly fucked up that guy in the bar and he buried Chuck.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: wesfau2 on May 27, 2017, 08:47:03 AM
For Jimmy to have such a fun loving upbeat personality he's a vengeful motherfucker to cross.  He would have certainly fucked up that guy in the bar and he buried Chuck.

Chuck had it coming.

Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: Token on June 21, 2017, 09:45:47 AM
Really really good season.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: wesfau2 on June 21, 2017, 07:31:23 PM
Fucking Chuck.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: Token on June 24, 2017, 11:25:10 AM
I hate that Nacho wasn't a character in Breaking Bad.  Tells me he probably doesn't make it out of this series alive and I like the guy.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: wesfau2 on June 24, 2017, 11:39:54 AM
I hate that Nacho wasn't a character in Breaking Bad.  Tells me he probably doesn't make it out of this series alive and I like the guy.

He got an oblique reference in BB, so there's hope.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: AUChizad on June 24, 2017, 09:41:39 PM
He got an oblique reference in BB, so there's hope.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gM6_FCeiBA
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: Jumbo on June 28, 2017, 02:43:07 AM
Pretty nice send off for Chuck.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: wesfau2 on August 06, 2018, 04:33:16 PM
PSA:

Season 4 starts tonight.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: AUJarhead on August 07, 2018, 09:04:23 AM
PSA:

Season 4 starts tonight.
Good episode?  Had to take my daughter to a camp last night, and haven't seen it yet.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: wesfau2 on August 07, 2018, 09:08:13 AM
Bit of a let-down premiere.  Not much action and the plot only advanced incrementally.

Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: wesfau2 on August 14, 2018, 10:30:29 AM
Well...that escalated quickly.

I think we've seen the last of Jimmy the lawyer.  When the NM bar association lets him out of time-out he's going to be full on Saul.  Those Neff guys didn't know what hit 'em.  Don't fall for the head-fake on the Hummels, Jimmy's gonna end up counterfeiting on the vintage copier.

Ignacio is looking straight Roger Murtaugh: too old for this shit.  His exit strategy just took a hard left turn, however.

The only question in my mind after this episode: what connection (or dirt) does the JH doctor have?  Clearly Gus sent her there to give the appearance of doing all they can to improve Hector's condition.  She won't, of course, but is she a Fring family member or just someone who owes Gus?

Edit: Actually, two questions in my mind.  The other is "what is in the letter from Chuck to Jimmy?"  
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: wesfau2 on August 20, 2018, 10:48:13 PM
Well, I was completely fucking wrong.  I thought the Hummel "heist" was too straight-forward for VG, but Jimmy's still small timin'.

Nacho's Salamanca cred has to be at an all time high.  How will Gus use him now that the cartel has green-lit local sourcing and the Salamancas are basically finished in ABQ (other than the creepy twins)?  Also...Gayle gets introduced in a totally Gayle manner.

Kim's breakdown is getting a head of steam. 

The letter...didn't sound like a Chuck letter.  Was Jimmy improvising the content on a better spin to put it to bed and be done with the Chuck saga?  Kim wasn't overcome by the platitudes in that letter.  Did she read the letter beforehand and re-seal the envelope?  Jimmy's fiction might be more than she can bear, so she's mourning the end of her relationship?
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: Kaos on August 21, 2018, 11:32:41 AM
I know you're still riding with this and I figure Breaking Bad was so iconic that AMC's going to give Gilligan to rope to run this out to whatever end he has in mind, but nobody might be around to see that end game. I gave up on the show at first because of Odenkirk's comments on the president.  I've run across it a few times since and I just can't make myself care.   

The ratings are terrible.  It's on par with Kid's Baking Championship. 

I know they're doing the slow play and dribbling out plot points in bite-sized pieces but what happens to all those open, flapping threads if AMC decides they can't abide ratings that continue to slide?  

I think I'd rather see a series about what happens to Jesse after he drives off at the end of BB. 
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: ssgaufan on August 21, 2018, 03:37:49 PM
I know you're still riding with this and I figure Breaking Bad was so iconic that AMC's going to give Gilligan to rope to run this out to whatever end he has in mind, but nobody might be around to see that end game. I gave up on the show at first because of Odenkirk's comments on the president.  I've run across it a few times since and I just can't make myself care. 

The ratings are terrible.  It's on par with Kid's Baking Championship.

I know they're doing the slow play and dribbling out plot points in bite-sized pieces but what happens to all those open, flapping threads if AMC decides they can't abide ratings that continue to slide? 

I think I'd rather see a series about what happens to Jesse after he drives off at the end of BB.
I gave up on it too.  Just too slow paced for me.  Maybe it's because I was expecting it to be in the same realm as BB.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: wesfau2 on August 28, 2018, 09:46:24 AM
So we finally know how Jimmy gets connected with the cartel: burner phones. 

The creepy Salamanca twins continue to be stone-cold badasses.

Mike's audit of Madrigal's facilities continues and I'm wondering if he's proving something to Gus (in addition to legitimizing his "paycheck") or if he's acting at Gus's direction.  Mike continues to have the hugest balls on the show, though, with his shrugging off of the threat posed by Gus's men at the "ask."

Also, the destruction of Henry at the group therapy session was classic Mike.  "You wanted me to talk...so I talked."
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: Kaos on September 12, 2018, 12:41:44 AM
Random question.  

Would you still enjoy the show if Breaking Bad had never existed? 
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: wesfau2 on September 12, 2018, 09:40:40 AM
Random question. 

Would you still enjoy the show if Breaking Bad had never existed?
Hard to say, but probably.  I've been an Odenkirk fan for a long time.

Sorry you don't like the show, I do.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: Kaos on September 12, 2018, 09:51:18 AM
Hard to say, but probably.  I've been an Odenkirk fan for a long time.

Sorry you don't like the show, I do.
I don't dislike it.  I just gave up on it for political reasons and couldn't find a compelling reason to go back.  

Might binge it when it's all over.  
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: wesfau2 on September 24, 2018, 09:19:31 AM
Haven't had time the past few weeks to keep up, but I binged the last three episodes yesterday. 

This is the detail I was hoping for: the lab infrastructure construction, the accelerating transformation from Jimmy to Saul...the juxtaposition of Gus getting respectable and Jimmy getting dirty.

I have a feeling Kai is going to end up in a shallow hole in the desert...or as part of the concrete subfloor that is being installed.

Jimmy and Kim, as evidenced by the split-screen "daily routine" shot are clearly on different trajectories.  Jimmy is resenting Kim's embracing of the trappings of law that Chuck held so dear.  The Huell matter will likely be the wedge that finally splits them up.

Turns out that there is no nefarious plot by the doctor to impede Hector's recovery...she's genuinely working hard (as quid pro quo for Gus's funding of her clinic.)  Gus can't have that shit.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: wesfau2 on September 25, 2018, 07:57:27 AM
Well, I couldn't have been more wrong about Kim.

The Germans ain't gonna see Deutschland ever again.  None of 'em.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: wesfau2 on October 02, 2018, 09:42:10 AM
Werner is off the reservation.  Momma's boy couldn't stand to be away from home, so he runs afoul of the cartel.  What a dumbshit.

What was Lalo able to discern from Hector's bell-ringing?  Loved getting backstory on something as pivotal as that bell.

Kim found a way to merge her thirst for the wild life with her buttoned-down corporate gig.  I presume (while acknowledging how wrong I've been about Kim this season) that she will, at some point, use her powers to scam some large dollars out of Mesa Verde.

Poor Jimmy...his greatest strength works against him at last.  Turned down for insincerity.

Only one more episode this season.  Then I presume we're waiting another two years...
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: wesfau2 on October 09, 2018, 10:04:42 AM
Wow.  Fantastic season finale.

For such a brilliant engineer, Werner is a dumbshit.  He does realize who he's working for, right? 

Mike is a fucking bloodhound and it was fun watching him recreate Werner's shitty escape plan in his mind.  Losing Lalo in the parking lot was just a touch of Mike's typical ingenuity.  Lalo's menace-with-a-smile is fucking unnerving.

Gayle shows up...giddy as usual...and Gus puts his fucking foot down on that shit.  He's a fucking terrifying employer and I think Gayle now understands the gravity of the situation.  Gus isn't the businessman/philanthropist dabbling in the shady side of the economy...he's a goddamned criminal boss.  Gayle's gotten what he asked for...which can be as much curse as blessing sometimes.

Jimmy and Kim had a brilliant strategy to rehabilitate Jimmy's rep for the Bar.  "I can pay for the food, but I'm too sad to eat it?"

I think the biggest head-fake VG gave us this season was the speech Jimmy gave to The Shoplifter.  I figured that was setting Jimmy up to blow off the Bar committee knowing that they would never let him in their circle.  Instead Jimmy puts on the performance of a lifetime...and puts the bar on notice that he's moving forward under his d/b/a.

My only consternation is the undoubtedly looooooooooooong wait for Season 5.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: wesfau2 on February 09, 2020, 11:53:41 AM
Season 4 on Netflix today.  Two weeks to get caught up.




Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: Kaos on February 09, 2020, 04:37:08 PM
Season 4 on Netflix today.  Two weeks to get caught up.
Why did you revive this?  

Up there is a post where I said I’d prefer a “what happened to Jesse series”. 

I was wrong. 
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: wesfau2 on February 10, 2020, 08:45:25 AM
Why did you revive this? 


Because I still love this show.  Not everything is about you, Sally.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: Kaos on February 10, 2020, 09:45:24 AM
On that we must disagree. It’s all for me.  
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: AUTiger1 on February 10, 2020, 10:58:39 AM
Interested to see how much further Jimmy goes and how it's going to affect him and Pam.   I think this is the season they finally split. 
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: Kaos on February 10, 2020, 01:30:37 PM
Interested to see how much further Jimmy goes and how it's going to affect him and Pam.  I think this is the season they finally split.
Nah.  She flirts with one of the camera guys while he’s obsessed with that job in Philly, but they come back together. One of the great American love stories. 
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: wesfau2 on February 26, 2020, 10:37:32 AM
First two eps get us right back in the thick of things.

Lalo remains creepily charming and terrifying.

I think Kai is going to be retained to finish the lab (he was the only solo German driver.)

Poor Nacho.  All he wants is out.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: Kaos on February 26, 2020, 02:40:02 PM
First two eps get us right back in the thick of things.

Lalo remains creepily charming and terrifying.

I think Kai is going to be retained to finish the lab (he was the only solo German driver.)

Poor Nacho.  All he wants is out.
I went back to it because I’m starving for intelligently written television and Vince typically delivers that. 

Did the whole catch up grind. I like it better watching like that.  Otherwise it might be inexorably slow.  

Just can’t warm up to Kim though. 
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: wesfau2 on February 27, 2020, 08:49:29 AM
First two eps get us right back in the thick of things.

Lalo remains creepily charming and terrifying.

I think Kai is going to be retained to finish the lab (he was the only solo German driver.)

Poor Nacho.  All he wants is out.

Forgot to mention: we get the origin of Crazy Eight's nickname.  
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: WiregrassTiger on February 27, 2020, 09:55:53 AM
Because I still love this show.  Not everything is about you, Sally.
When you first mentioned this show, I admit that I wrote it off as just another one of the many faggot topics or traits that you love to discuss. But I’m hooked. Love this show. One of the best, ever.

And one of the only things that I’ve ever know you to be right about, taste wise. It is quality stuff. Not gay or cheesy at all.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: wesfau2 on April 07, 2020, 10:20:59 AM
Fantastic episode last night...two more until the season finale (and attendant 3-year wait for the final season.)

I think we saw Saul lose his "innocence" in this episode.  Or at the very least, he lost the last shred of naivety he had about his clients and their world.  He and Kim outsmarted the square world with their marriage, but they didn't consider the effect on the other side of that coin.

Interesting bit of symmetry with Saul wandering sunburnt through the desert as his "trial by fire" with the cartel.  Remember that Walt once made a similar foot-trek in his skivvies after he and Jesse were ambushed at the Bounder cook in the desert.

Also, you knew he was going to drink the piss at some point.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: wesfau2 on April 21, 2020, 10:13:20 AM
Well...the bittersweet season finale came and went.  Jimmy and (the newly scheming and cold-hearted utilitarianist) Kim are going to destroy Howard for their seed money.

Does Lalo get Nacho in Chihuahua?  We hear both names in BB but see neither of them.

The wait will be interminable, but that last season should be a wild ride.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: Kaos on April 21, 2020, 11:24:44 AM
Well...the bittersweet season finale came and went.  Jimmy and (the newly scheming and cold-hearted utilitarianist) Kim are going to destroy Howard for their seed money.

Does Lalo get Nacho in Chihuahua?  We hear both names in BB but see neither of them.

The wait will be interminable, but that last season should be a wild ride.
I forgot to watch it.   

I've warmed up to Kim, though.  
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: WiregrassTiger on April 21, 2020, 05:09:20 PM
I forgot to watch it. 

I've warmed up to Kim, though. 
I’ve been warmed up to Kim.

I’d like to teach her a thing or two. I’ll show her about how to lawyer. With my love muscle.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: Kaos on April 13, 2022, 10:29:44 PM
I was wrong about everything.  This is a great show and it’s a real shame it never found an audience. 

Kim is languidly hot in a way I should have realized.

This is one of the better shows of all time.
It’s definitely the best prequel. It’s brilliant in the way it hooks all the tiny pieces together. I hate to see it end.

Comparing it to breaking bad was an injustice. 

It may actually hold up better than BB.

I don’t like odenkirk’s politics but he is fantastic in this role. 

I will be wearing my American Samoa Law School T-shirt when I watch the return.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: GH2001 on April 14, 2022, 11:59:59 AM
I was wrong about everything.  This is a great show and it’s a real shame it never found an audience. 

Kim is languidly hot in a way I should have realized.

This is one of the better shows of all time.
It’s definitely the best prequel. It’s brilliant in the way it hooks all the tiny pieces together. I hate to see it end.

Comparing it to breaking bad was an injustice. 

It may actually hold up better than BB.

I don’t like odenkirk’s politics but he is fantastic in this role. 

I will be wearing my American Samoa Law School T-shirt when I watch the return.

Put down the drugs and please erase that 5th bullet point.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: Kaos on April 14, 2022, 12:23:07 PM
Put down the drugs and please erase that 5th bullet point.

I only say that because the level of depravity and the slow descent into the mud.

Walter broke bad quickly. Went from making meth to murder at an accelerated rate.  Like a single episode. 

Saul wants to be good.  He tries. But he’s a leopard. The spots always come out. 

I really like the fact that he drags Kim from the moral side over into his lunacy.  I also like the evil tinfoil under her professional veneer. Watching her wrestle with being a upstanding corporate drone and sliding into Giselle so effortlessly is effective.

I relate to Saul on a personal level.  We all have those demons pulling us into the dark.  I wish I had his vengeful creativity. Never understanding that he was his mother’s favorite, constantly comparing himself to chuck and never measuring up. All of that is handled so well. 

It’s got the same amazingly detailed writing. The same peculiar (and much appreciated) sense of style.  Simple things like an ice cream cone dropped on the sidewalk that gets consumed by ants - which is a metaphor for what’s happening to Saul in that moment are so beautifully crafted. 

The little “blink and you missed it” callbacks to Breaking Bad like Domingo being so scared of Lalo in a poker game that he folded with three eights…. And Lalo offhand calls him loco Ocho as he rakes in the pot… thus Krazy 8 who is Walt’s basement buddy in season one?  That’s just superb.

It’s the same show but at the same time a different show.  And long-term - maybe mainly because Kim isn’t the joker-faced BITCH from hell that Skyler was - it has its own place inside and outside Breaking Bad.  And it holds up well. 

It’s better the second time through.  Much better.  Not sure I can say that about breaking bad. 

Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: GH2001 on April 14, 2022, 02:29:33 PM
I only say that because the level of depravity and the slow descent into the mud.

Walter broke bad quickly. Went from making meth to murder at an accelerated rate.  Like a single episode. 

Saul wants to be good.  He tries. But he’s a leopard. The spots always come out. 

I really like the fact that he drags Kim from the moral side over into his lunacy.  I also like the evil tinfoil under her professional veneer. Watching her wrestle with being a upstanding corporate drone and sliding into Giselle so effortlessly is effective.

I relate to Saul on a personal level.  We all have those demons pulling us into the dark.  I wish I had his vengeful creativity. Never understanding that he was his mother’s favorite, constantly comparing himself to chuck and never measuring up. All of that is handled so well. 

It’s got the same amazingly detailed writing. The same peculiar (and much appreciated) sense of style.  Simple things like an ice cream cone dropped on the sidewalk that gets consumed by ants - which is a metaphor for what’s happening to Saul in that moment are so beautifully crafted. 

The little “blink and you missed it” callbacks to Breaking Bad like Domingo being so scared of Lalo in a poker game that he folded with three eights…. And Lalo offhand calls him loco Ocho as he rakes in the pot… thus Krazy 8 who is Walt’s basement buddy in season one?  That’s just superb.

It’s the same show but at the same time a different show.  And long-term - maybe mainly because Kim isn’t the joker-faced BITCH from hell that Skyler was - it has its own place inside and outside Breaking Bad.  And it holds up well. 

It’s better the second time through.  Much better.  Not sure I can say that about breaking bad.

Im semi kidding. I honestly don't know. I have never watched a min of Saul but maybe I will give it a go. But I may need to get back caught up to the Breaking Bad arc before I do. Its been several years since Ive seen any BB. Much like Sopranos when the movie came out end of last year on HBO, I had to re-remember a lot of things prior to watching it.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: wesfau2 on April 14, 2022, 04:47:06 PM
But I may need to get back caught up to the Breaking Bad arc before I do.

It's...a prequel.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: GH2001 on April 14, 2022, 05:29:32 PM
It's...a prequel.

A prequel that came out after the original. As with any like that, the already existing arc is important because of some of the very things K mentioned and because the prequel was done afterwards with that in mind. I’m talking basics here. 101. Characters.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: Kaos on April 14, 2022, 10:11:02 PM
It's...a prequel.

I agree that it wouldn't hurt to do Breaking Bad first.  Otherwise you might not get things like Krazy-8 or even the "working in a Cinnabon in Oklahoma" reference that kicks it all off. 

It IS a prequel, yes. But it has so many callbacks --- call forwards? --- to Breaking Bad that it would be a shame to miss all of that context. 

It also begins before Breaking Bad, but allegedly ends in a world after Bad was over.  So in that way, it's almost as much a bookend as a prequel or sequel.  If it does, that is. 

One thought.... if Breaking Bad hadn't existed or if you watched Saul first and then decided to follow with Breaking Bad would it have the same impact?  If Bad hadn't existed, I don't know that Saul gets six seasons.  I kind of think the audience for it might have been bigger had it been first, though.  It's a really well-written show, solid acting, solid story.  The way it's shot is really fantastic.  The camera angles, the visuals.  Even simple, throwaway shots like looking up at a pissed off Hector from beneath the pool water.  It carries that same sense of framing and style from Breaking Bad that was so fantastic but it's (in my opinion) even better. 

Another thought.  It's 'Better Call Saul' but it's really much more than that. 

It's Gus Fring's story.
It's Mike's story.
It's Krazy-8's story.
It's Hector Salamanca's story.
It's Tuco's story.
It's Saul's story.
All of them were contributors to Breaking Bad

But it's also
Chuck's story.
Kim's story.
Howard's story.
Lalo's story.
Nacho's story.

In the time it has, in each episode, it weaves components of all those vastly different but intertwined stories into a single cohesive narrative. 

I don't mind admitting when I was wrong and I was.  It's a fucking great show.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: Kaos on April 18, 2022, 10:37:29 AM
I've got my University of American Samoa Law School sweatshirt ready to go for tonight.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: GH2001 on April 27, 2022, 10:07:45 AM
I agree that it wouldn't hurt to do Breaking Bad first.  Otherwise you might not get things like Krazy-8 or even the "working in a Cinnabon in Oklahoma" reference that kicks it all off. 

It IS a prequel, yes. But it has so many callbacks --- call forwards? --- to Breaking Bad that it would be a shame to miss all of that context. 

It also begins before Breaking Bad, but allegedly ends in a world after Bad was over.  So in that way, it's almost as much a bookend as a prequel or sequel.  If it does, that is. 

One thought.... if Breaking Bad hadn't existed or if you watched Saul first and then decided to follow with Breaking Bad would it have the same impact?  If Bad hadn't existed, I don't know that Saul gets six seasons.  I kind of think the audience for it might have been bigger had it been first, though.  It's a really well-written show, solid acting, solid story.  The way it's shot is really fantastic.  The camera angles, the visuals.  Even simple, throwaway shots like looking up at a pissed off Hector from beneath the pool water.  It carries that same sense of framing and style from Breaking Bad that was so fantastic but it's (in my opinion) even better. 

Another thought.  It's 'Better Call Saul' but it's really much more than that. 

It's Gus Fring's story.
It's Mike's story.
It's Krazy-8's story.
It's Hector Salamanca's story.
It's Tuco's story.
It's Saul's story.
All of them were contributors to Breaking Bad

But it's also
Chuck's story.
Kim's story.
Howard's story.
Lalo's story.
Nacho's story.

In the time it has, in each episode, it weaves components of all those vastly different but intertwined stories into a single cohesive narrative. 

I don't mind admitting when I was wrong and I was.  It's a fucking great show.

So I kicked this off this week.....halfway through season 1 now but so far, I'm pleased with it. And yes, if you haven't seen BB first, you will miss a lot of the refer backs and small nuances. Its a prequel designed and produced AFTER the original so it makes perfect sense in how Gilligan does that. One thing I've noticed is the movement, photography, camera angles, imagery.....its grade A just like BB. Im only 10% of the way through this whole thing and I can already say this (along with BB) will cement Vince Gilligan as legendary status for a long time. Just a marvelous piece of work - the whole BB ARC.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: CCTAU on April 27, 2022, 11:28:06 AM
When is this Saul guy gonna die...
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: GH2001 on April 27, 2022, 03:36:13 PM
When is this Saul guy gonna die...

He doesn't.

He simply becomes Paul later on.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: Kaos on April 28, 2022, 04:35:58 PM
He doesn't.

He simply becomes Paul later on.

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Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: AUJarhead on May 24, 2022, 09:58:01 AM
Outstanding mid-season finale last night.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: wesfau2 on May 24, 2022, 11:18:39 AM
The setup on Howard was just fucking exquisite.

Redirected the PI, staged the cash withdrawal and payoff, got the eye dilating substance on the photos...

Just fucking genius.

The way Howard went from smug, to manic, to raving paranoid lunatic...to spoiler: dead

Then the fucking candle flickering...

Fuck is it July 11 yet?
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: AUJarhead on May 24, 2022, 11:33:57 AM
The setup on Howard was just fucking exquisite.

Redirected the PI, staged the cash withdrawal and payoff, got the eye dilating substance on the photos...

Just fucking genius.

The way Howard went from smug, to manic, to raving paranoid lunatic...to spoiler: dead

Then the fucking candle flickering...

Fuck is it July 11 yet?

Also wondering about the way Kim stares at the business card in the black book, and if I should have hope that maybe she survives the season. 
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: Kaos on May 24, 2022, 11:55:06 AM
The setup on Howard was just fucking exquisite.

Redirected the PI, staged the cash withdrawal and payoff, got the eye dilating substance on the photos...

Just fucking genius.

The way Howard went from smug, to manic, to raving paranoid lunatic...to spoiler: dead

Then the fucking candle flickering...

Fuck is it July 11 yet?

The big takedown of Howard was kind of a letdown.  Guess I expected more crash and burn.  D-Day should have been epic as much time was spent building it up.  But the complexity and depth of the plot was outstanding.  Anticipating his every move and playing one step ahead. 

Part of me was bothered by it though.  Why?  Why Howard?  He championed Kim.  He defended Jimmy. Yeah he deferred to Chuck but he tried to fix it.   Wanted to bring Saul into the firm as soon as Chuck’s overbearing influence was gone.  Why spend the time and effort to break a guy who actually appreciated you for who you are?

As it wore on I felt sorry for Howard.  Overshadowed by pretentious asshole Chuck.  Trapped between his (deserved) loyalty to that smug prick Chuck and his admiration for the recklessness and resilience of James.  Always caught in the hedges between them, always forced to side with the interests of the firm. But he tried to make it right.  Other than banishing Kim to the basement for betraying him - which she kind of deserved - I never really faulted his actions.

Outstanding character development by the writers to take what could easily be a one-note throwaway character and turn him into a fully realized and sympathetic three dimensional player. More than anything else the humanization of Howard illustrates the brilliance of the writers and producers of this show.  That I came to care as much of more about Howard’s fate and his chances to disrupt the plot and win the day is evidence of that mastery.   

I agreed with everything he said in his apartment speech.  They are soulless. They are sociopaths.   They are toxic together. Even in defeat he took it like a man. No fury.  No vows of vengeance.   “You won.  But why? Help me understand what I did to deserve this from you…”

Made Jimmy and Kim look petty.  He didn’t deserve their wrath. They were the bad guys in that scenario.  I didn’t want them to win.   
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: GH2001 on May 24, 2022, 01:49:56 PM
I was wrong about everything.  This is a great show and it’s a real shame it never found an audience. 

Kim is languidly hot in a way I should have realized.

This is one of the better shows of all time.
It’s definitely the best prequel. It’s brilliant in the way it hooks all the tiny pieces together. I hate to see it end.

Comparing it to breaking bad was an injustice. 

It may actually hold up better than BB.

I don’t like odenkirk’s politics but he is fantastic in this role. 

I will be wearing my American Samoa Law School T-shirt when I watch the return.

I am at Episode 2 of Season 6 now.....my thoughts ON YOUR THOUGHTS:

I was wrong about everything.  This is a great show and it’s a real shame it never found an audience. - Couldn't agree more. Its fantastic. But I saw it in binge mode. Not the way Wes did. I don't know if I would have felt the same if I had to see all of that over an 8 year period. I saw it all in 3-4 weeks. But its great nonetheless.

Kim is languidly hot in a way I should have realized. - Lord yes. I love her.

This is one of the better shows of all time. - YES YES and YES.
It’s definitely the best prequel. It’s brilliant in the way it hooks all the tiny pieces together. I hate to see it end. Also Yes.

Comparing it to breaking bad was an injustice.  - They are comparable to me. Both great. But as you watch this one and see the whole arc, its very apparent that BB and Walt were just ONE PART of this whole thing. You could argue that Jimmy/Saul is bigger to the overall arc.

It may actually hold up better than BB. - We will see, but I won't argue that at all.

I don’t like odenkirk’s politics but he is fantastic in this role. - He and Cranston were both late bloomers like Gandolfini - just needed the perfect storm of character and writing with a terrific director like VG. Credit where due - his politics aside - he is pretty awesome as Jimmy/Saul.

I will be wearing my American Samoa Law School T-shirt when I watch the return. - Not going that far. You weirdo.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: GH2001 on August 09, 2022, 10:45:22 AM
Last episode in 6 days. You fuqqerz are falling down on the job.

Before last night, the last few episodes were a slow burn much like seasons 3 and 4 of BB. Much was focused on Gene and the "future" arc post BB. Last night did some of the same as far as "Gene" and post BB BUT......I wouldn't call it a slow burn. Things are starting to head downhill rapidly. I would love to try to predict the series finale next Monday but I would probably be wrong. I have a few ideas though.

Not going to give away any spoilers for those that have not seen it but.....(this isn't a spoiler) - I find it intriguing that they have made Carol Burnett a huge linchpin in these last 6 episodes. Casting her 90 year old self was completely out of left field and I kind of like it. She can still be funny and effective.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: Kaos on August 12, 2022, 04:41:41 PM
Yep yep yep. 

I vomited.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: GH2001 on August 12, 2022, 08:14:35 PM
Yep yep yep. 

I vomited.

Purposely to totally Illustrate her downfall into a sad boring life.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: Kaos on August 13, 2022, 09:39:26 AM
Purposely to totally Illustrate her downfall into a sad boring life.

Whatever the purpose it ruined the character.  I can’t bleach that out of my mind. 
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: GH2001 on August 13, 2022, 01:38:15 PM
Whatever the purpose it ruined the character.  I can’t bleach that out of my mind.

Yep….

X3
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: Kaos on August 13, 2022, 04:09:52 PM
Breaking Bad was an almost perfect ending.  I still can’t hear Baby Blue without getting a little misty for what we lost. 

Lost in that, though, is all of Walt’s exposed ugliness before that final semi-redemption. 

In a lot of ways the end runs are very similar in arc. 

If you remember back to Bad, Walt had gradually morphed from a guy who wrestled with his conscience into a despicable human being with no thought other than his own needs and wants.

He left Jane to die and didn’t regret it.
He killed Mike.
He wanted Jesse dead.
He killed Gus. 
He was complicit in killing Hank and Gomez.

Every single person who tried to help him in his quest was destroyed by their association with him. 

There was a time we all related to and sympathized with Walter.  I think even the show’s creators were surprised that we stuck with him even as his acts of destruction grew more vile and self centered.

Saul has gone the same way.  From a gregarious, fun character to a spiteful, petty criminal with little to no moral compass. 

I don’t know if Saul can stick the landing like Walter did, but I hope there’s some final small redemption for a guy who fought stacked odds from the day he was born. 

I really hate the end of Kim’s thread (if that was it).  It’s kind of funny.  She made him want to be a better man than he was, but she wasn’t interested in that.  She’s the one who pushed him into the Hoaward scam - for no real reason.  And when it blew up? She left him adrift.  I’m beginning to wonder if she wasn’t the villain all along. 
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: GH2001 on August 14, 2022, 08:47:11 AM
Not sure it was for no reason. Remember what Howard did to her at the firm. And with complete elitism and smugness. Actions have consequences and you have to be careful who you mess with.