Well fudge me running. They did it. Bammer being gift wrapped a rematch at the very least.
Bigger travesty, Bammer rematch or Ducks rematch?
Hey, Ark wins, they may sneak in the #1 team.
I neglected this game's existence because I thought, "Surely, Oklahoma State vs. Iowa State would be a terrible waste of a Friday night."
:facepalm:
And to answer the question - Bigger travesty would be Alabama getting the rematch. Why? Because I'm an Auburn fan. That's why.
I neglected this game's existence because I thought, "Surely, Oklahoma State vs. Iowa State would be a terrible waste of a Friday night."
:facepalm:
And to answer the question - Bigger travesty would be Alabama getting the rematch. Why? Because I'm an Auburn fan. That's why.
Assuming LSU and UA win out, it's a travesty because Alabama did not win the league. Did not win the division.
Oregon lost in essentially a pre-season game and had injury issues. Lost what was basically a home game for LSU.
If they're still around, they get credit for winning their league. So would OU.
But to this point the season is utter bullshit.
Just admit it. Alabama's the best team left.
Oregon may have an argument, but it's still laden with excuses. People who watched that game saw how LSU beat the hell out of them, and they noticed that the scoreboard didn't indicate how bad of a beat down it actually was.
I do wish conference champions were rewarded for their accomplishments, but if the BCS is set out to determine the two best teams, I don't see why Alabama wouldn't be considered.
Just admit it. Alabama's the best team left.No point in trying to reason.
Oregon may have an argument, but it's still laden with excuses. People who watched that game saw how LSU beat the hell out of them, and they noticed that the scoreboard didn't indicate how bad of a beat down it actually was.
I do wish conference champions were rewarded for their accomplishments, but if the BCS is set out to determine the two best teams, I don't see why Alabama wouldn't be considered.
If this were to benefit AU, you would see all sorts of justification as to why AU is deserving of a spot in the NCG. The problem is it works out for Alabama, so therefore, it is a travesty. Forget that Oregon has a weaker schedule than Alabama.Fuck you.
The top two teams should play for the BCS Championship, that would be a rematch between uat and LSU.
BCS is designed to pit #1 vs #2, not "best 2 teams".
I hate to play devil's advocate with this subject, but....
How does that make any sense?
So the current design isn't to put the two best teams together; it's supposed to put #1 vs. #2 in a bowl game.
Who's to say #1 and #2 shouldn't be the best two teams?
I agree that Bama should have dropped a little further than they did when they lost. They lost at home. They had an inept offense and a piss-poor special teams. The only positive was their defense, which wasn't enough to win.
But the fact remains that in terms of analyzing this objectively, we as Auburn fans can't simply because it's Bama.
Who do you think is the better team?
Alabama vs. Oklahoma.
Alabama vs. Oregon.
Alabama vs. Clemson.
Alabama vs. Boise State.
Alabama vs. Stanford.
Alabama vs. Virginia Tech.
Unless you can tell me why Alabama loses one of those games, then I don't see how anyone can argue that Bama isn't the #2 team in the country.
Fuck you.Wait, who the fuck has Stanford beaten this season? The ranked teams they have beaten were #25 Washington (now unranked and a 4 loss team), #20 USC (now unranked and a 2 loss team), and they just lost to a then ranked #7 Oregon. And those are the ranked teams they played. San Jose St is 3-7, Duke is 3-7, Arizona is 2-8, UCLA is 5-5, Colorado is 2-9, etc etc. Their best win is over a 2 loss unranked team who hasn't even beaten a ranked team this season. So before we go claiming Stanford as destroyer of college football, you might want to check into who they have played. Not that Alabama has played an undefeated team every week, but they do have a much better strength of schedule than Stanford.
Who the fuck did you beat that is on par with Stanford? The best you've got is Arkansas who should have lost to Ole Miss & Vandy. And they'll lose to LSU next weekend.
You lost at home to LSU. The rematch will be in New Orleans. If you couldn't do it in your back yard, you ain't doin it here.
I heard some national sports reporter talking about how the nation was tired of the SEC style of play. He said that the voters would likely put OU in against LSU because the thought of another defensive 9-6 type of game didn't excite anybody. I can understand this way of thinking, but if you're tired of SEC style football then step up and beat the SEC.
Oh yeah, I think OU could/would beat bammer. What type of offense does little nicky seem to struggle against? That's right. The spread.
Wait, who the fuck has Stanford beaten this season? The ranked teams they have beaten were #25 Washington (now unranked and a 4 loss team), #20 USC (now unranked and a 2 loss team), and they just lost to a then ranked #7 Oregon. And those are the ranked teams they played. San Jose St is 3-7, Duke is 3-7, Arizona is 2-8, UCLA is 5-5, Colorado is 2-9, etc etc. Their best win is over a 2 loss unranked team who hasn't even beaten a ranked team this season. So before we go claiming Stanford as destroyer of college football, you might want to check into who they have played. Not that Alabama has played an undefeated team every week, but they do have a much better strength of schedule than Stanford.
And your reasoning for why Alabama can't win a rematch is beyond stupid. Especially given how that game played out.
I think LSU beats bammer 7 out of 10 times. Solely because of McBrodie. It's the other 3 that scare me in a rematch.Maybe, maybe not. It's hard to tell from the game that was played who would win how many times out of 10. That's about as even as a game as you could get. Both teams missed some opportunities, and both teams left some points on the field. But to say since Alabama lost at home, they can't win in the Super Dome in the NC game is ridiculous.
Maybe, maybe not. It's hard to tell from the game that was played who would win how many times out of 10. That's about as even as a game as you could get. Both teams missed some opportunities, and both teams left some points on the field. But to say since Alabama lost at home, they can't win in the Super Dome in the NC game is ridiculous.It's not. Sorry.
The regular season - despite what many college football apologists claim - is not a playoff in itself. No one is playing for a spot in a tournament; every team is playing to win its conference and/or impress human voters.Then seriously, why did we play a regular season game if it means nothing? People that don't want a playoff claim that every game is a playoff. Then your playoffs already happened and Bama lost. Adding one would diminish the extreme importance of each regular season game. But we're going to pretend like that game didn't happen? Was just a preseason game in the late/middle of the year?
It's not. Sorry.So, since Alabama lost to LSU at home in overtime in an evenly matched blow-for-blow game, they should give way to Oregon, who got their asses beat in Baton Rouge......simply due to geography? Are you fucking serious? If AU were in the same situation and I suggested this scenario, you would lose your shit. I would clearly be a Bama homer who was blinded by the rage of AU playing for a NC.
I know you've never been in BDS, so you are unaware, but when you're the home team, you have a significant advantage. It gets loud as shit when the visiting team has the ball in a big SEC game. And that stadium was about 95% crimson.
In New Orleans, it will be at the very least 75% purple & gold. LSU fans already have the tickets bought up. They have season tickets at the Super Dome and have connections.
It's a factor that makes Oregon a more suitable rematch, even though I don't want to see it either.
Another factor is with the SEC fatigue that's already in place, they're going to put two schools from the same division of the same conference who already played each other on the field be the only teams with an opportunity to play for it all? Think if it was hypothetically a Stanford-Oregon rematch. You'd be pissed beyond words. It makes no sense. No one outside of the northwest United States will give a shit. And it's unfair to the rest of the country.
Who do you think is the better team?Irrelevant.
Alabama vs. Oklahoma.
Alabama vs. Oregon.
Alabama vs. Clemson.
Alabama vs. Boise State.
Alabama vs. Stanford.
Alabama vs. Virginia Tech.
Unless you can tell me why Alabama loses one of those games, then I don't see how anyone can argue that Bama isn't the #2 team in the country.
Irrelevant.
What we do know is who is the better team: LSU vs. Bama. LSU. We also know LSU is the better team between them and Oregon.
What we do NOT know, and thus the purpose of the extra BCS National Championship game, is who will win these games.
LSU vs. Oklahoma.
LSU vs. Oklahoma State.
LSU vs. Clemson.
LSU vs. Boise State.
LSU vs. Stanford.
LSU vs. Virginia Tech.
The Bowl Championship Series (BCS) is a five-game showcase of college football. It is designed to ensure that the two top-rated teams in the country meet in the national championship game, and to create exciting and competitive matchups among eight other highly regarded teams in four other bowl games.
Wrong.
http://www.bcsfootball.org/news/story?id=4809699
The purpose of the BCS is to put thebesttwo highest rated (read as highest ranked) teams in New Orleans. If the humans and the computers say Alabama is number 2, then they are without question the right team to be in New Orleans.
Fixt. Second part is correct, but shouldn't happen IMHO. If the humans vote for that, they're fucking stupid. That game has been played.THIS!
THIS!
Without a playoff there's no empirical way of knowing who the two "best" teams are, with the exception of head-to-head matchups.
Auburn was undoubtedly at least one of the two best teams in the nation. Chokelahoma was one of the top 2 RANKED teams.
And for the record, if we lose to Samford at home today, I don't believe we deserve a rematch.
Essentially what you're saying is that for Alabama to win the MNC they only have to beat LSU once, after losing to them at home. In order for LSU to win, they have to beat Alabama twice, once at their house. And they have to win the conference whereas Alabama doesn't even have to win their division.
Sorry, if Alabama wanted to play for the MNC, they should have beaten LSU when they played them. Give another 1-loss team (other than Alabama or Oregon) a shot. It's not like we are lacking for them.
Essentially what you're saying is that for Alabama to win the MNC they only have to beat LSU once, after losing to them at home. In order for LSU to win, they have to beat Alabama twice, once at their house.Translation: I'm not sure LSU can beat Alabama twice given the results of the first matchup, so they shouldn't get a chance, because it's Alabama.
Translation: I'm not sure LSU can beat Alabama twice given the results of the first matchup, so they shouldn't get a chance, because it's Alabama.
I must be devoid of logic because I can't seem to figure out how the TWO TOP RATED teams shouldn't be the TWO BEST TEAMS.
They're synonymous. Equals. Tautology. Homonyms. Homophones. Metonyms. Twins. Doubles. Identicals. Parallels.
You're wanting the voters to vote Alabama #3 in spite of believing they're #2.
If you want the voters to use their vote to manipulate a tournament, then go ahead. But that's worse - much worse - that voting honestly based on the outcome of the actual games.
I understand what you're saying, and I completely agree. It would be great to have a stipulation that says, "If you don't win your conference, you can't compete in the BCSCG."
I'm just arguing that the system isn't set up for that to happen. The system says that voters should vote based on who they think is the best.
1. LSU.
2. ?????
So even though Alabama is the clear cut favorite against all one-loss teams, you don't vote them number 2 simply because you don't want to see a BCSCG between LSU and Alabama?
What if Oklahoma loses to Baylor? And Oklahoma State to Oklahoma? And Oregon to USC? And Clemson to South Carolina? And Virginia Tech in the ACC championship?
Do you still keep Alabama out?
Translation: I'm not sure LSU can beat Alabama twice given the results of the first matchup, so they shouldn't get a chance, because it's Alabama.If that's how you translate that, then, there's no other way to translate anything you say any other way than:
Translation: I root for Ala-GD-bammah and we deserve to be in the Nashunal Championship game! It's our God-given right! RTR!!!!!1!!!
I can paint with a broad brush, too.
If that's how you translate that, then, there's no other way to translate anything you say any other way than:Bottom line, this thing is dripping with butthurt. If it were AU in the same position, you would argue up and down how it is totally fair, and this is the system we have to work with. You would argue that it doesn't matter if AU had already lost to LSU earlier in the season. You would argue anything to validate AU being in the NC game.
You must be devoid of ears. I've heard numerous BCS-ologist talk about this ad nausium. As has happened this year, and IF fucking Ok State and Stanford hadn't lost, bammer, who most believe is at least the 2nd best team in the nation, would not have been ranked number 1 or 2. That would be due to having already matched up with the "other best team in the nation". What is it about the polls you don't get?
I, for the life of me, can't get why you don't get it if the voters decide "Welp, we've seen that matchup, bammer had their shot, at home no less, and lost, let's see another one".
I must be devoid of logic because I can't seem to figure out how the TWO TOP RATED teams shouldn't be the TWO BEST TEAMS.
They're synonymous. Equals. Tautology. Homonyms. Homophones. Metonyms. Twins. Doubles. Identicals. Parallels.
Bottom line, this thing is dripping with butthurt. If it were AU in the same position, you would argue up and down how it is totally fair, and this is the system we have to work with. You would argue that it doesn't matter if AU had already lost to LSU earlier in the season. You would argue anything to validate AU being in the NC game.
But the fact that it might be Alabama, well that changes things. Fuck no. They can't have another shot, because they might actually win. Can't have that.
No. No, they're not.
See 2004.
You want to be the fly in the ointment? You root for Mississippi State this weekend. Arkansas struggled against Vanderbilt and Ole Miss. Miss State will hopefully still be fighting for a bowl berth.Arkansas beating the brakes off of MSU 31-10. Penn State up on OSU by 6 with 7 minutes left in the 4th.
If Miss State upsets Arkansas, it will hurt Bama's computer numbers. Also, Penn State should lose to Ohio State and Wisconsin.
If LSU then beats Arkansas, Alabama won't have a meaningful win on their schedule.
I know it's petty, but sorry. I really don't want to watch my arch-rival back into the national championship game and win it.
Arkansas beating the brakes off of MSU 31-10. Penn State up on OSU by 6 with 7 minutes left in the 4th.
To add to that, Clemson is getting waxed by NC State 37-6. Not sure how the fuck that is happening, I figured it would be the other way around.
We can all say we know Alabama doesn't deserve another shot; however, when other teams lose late in the season while at the same time voters are saying Alabama is the actual #2 team in the country, it's hard to have a reason to keep them out.Oregon and Alabama have the same 1 loss to LSU.
Oregon and Alabama have the same 1 loss to LSU.
Oregon lost the very first game of the season.
Bama lost two weeks ago.
If you're going to apply the "losing late" theorem, then Oregon goes before Bama does. And Oregon shouldn't go either.
I hate to play devil's advocate with this subject, but....
In 2004, the voters thought Oklahoma was better than Auburn. The voters were wrong.
And they'd be wrong to put bammer in a rematch game with LSU. You finally figured out "the logic".
Apparently Oregon's shitting the bed too...21-7 USC leads at half.
Were losing 14-0 with under 6 minutes left in the half.
Just finally scored.
21-7 USC leads at half.
Oklahoma losing to Baylor at the half 17-10.
If Oklahoma and Oregon both lose, I can't wait to see what argument you pull out of your ass as to why Alabama should be kept out of the BCSNCG if Bama were to win out.
Now 38 to 14. The CFB World is bowing to bammer's greatness.
As I posted that, Oregon scored, but missed the 2 pt attempt. 38-20 now.I can't really remember ever seeing a late season implosion in the top 10 of the BCS such as we might see tonight. Sure, you get a team or two that usually gets upset. But somehow, Iowa State has opened up some alternate dimension in the football universe.
This could be unprecedented territory. It's possible that tomorrow's BCS standings will have 3 SECW teams in the top 3 spots. At the very least 3 of the top 5 will be SECW teams if USC holds on.
21-7 USC leads at half.
Oklahoma losing to Baylor at the half 17-10.
If Oklahoma and Oregon both lose, I can't wait to see what argument you pull out of your ass as to why Alabama should be kept out of the BCSNCG if Bama were to win out.
This USC/Oregon game is pretty entertaining. USC is still LOADED with talent. So much so that Lane Kiffen really can't fuck it up.They have to award the 2 pt. play there.
Fuck me running...VT will probably be the new #4, but they have only beaten 1 ranked team this season (then ranked #21 Georgia Tech), and they are a 1 loss team as well. No way they jump Alabama if everybody wins from here on out.
Missed field goal.
USC wins.
:facepalm:
VT? Houston? Only hope of a non-rematch.
Except they had a false start and will now kick the PAT.
Almost exciting.
38-38. 51 seconds. Let's see if Robert Griffith can get back in the Heisman race.
Damn this is the most exciting football season I can remember. Stoops is a fucking idiot for calling that timeout when Baylor was ready for overtime.
Fuck it. I hope Arkansas ass rapes LSU Sandusky style. :facepalm:He'll no. LSU is by far tHe best team in CFB this year. If Bama's gonna cake walk into the MNCG, they'd better at least have some competition.
He'll no. LSU is by far tHe best team in CFB this year. If Bama's gonna cake walk into the MNCG, they'd better at least have some competition.
Who do you think is the better team?
Alabama vs. Oklahoma.
Alabama vs. Oregon.
Alabama vs. Clemson.
Alabama vs. Boise State.
Alabama vs. Stanford.
Alabama vs. Virginia Tech.
Unless you can tell me why Alabama loses one of those games, then I don't see how anyone can argue that Bama isn't the #2 team in the country.
Want me to tell you why this argument is an entire tractor trailer full of fail?This guy hates you.
It's pretty simple.
Oregon vs. USC in Autzen
Oklahoma vs. Texas Tech
Oklahoma State vs. Iowa State
Oklahoma vs. Baylor
Southern Miss vs. UAB
SMU vs TCU
TCU vs Boise
Wake Forest vs. Florida State
Virginia vs. Florida State
Unless you can tell me how Oregon, Oklahoma, OK State, Southern Miss, TCU, Boise or FSU lose any of those games.... wait..... whaaaaaaaaaaaaat?
Paper is a shitty place to play football.
Paper is a shitty place to play football.