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Title: Frazier is This Season's Future
Post by: Townhallsavoy on September 27, 2011, 05:12:05 PM
From CBSSportsAuburn:

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Freshman QB Kiehl Frazier continues to get work out of the Wildcat formation, but coaches have considered letting their coveted freshman work from standard formations. "That’s not out of the question, but right now … it’s been a concerted effort to keep him inthe spot with the Wildcat threat," coach Gene Chizik said

Slowly but surely, he'll start working his way in.

I have a bad feeling this isn't because Frazier is that talented.
Title: Re: Frazier is This Season's Future
Post by: Snaggletiger on September 27, 2011, 05:21:35 PM
From CBSSportsAuburn:

Slowly but surely, he'll start working his way in.

I have a bad feeling this isn't because Frazier is that talented.

He has much work to do.
Title: Re: Frazier is This Season's Future
Post by: AUTailgatingRules on September 27, 2011, 05:34:26 PM
I'd rather lose with the future.  I say let him play, if he does well Pike goes elsewhere, if he tanks we can turn him into a wide receiver.
Title: Re: Frazier is This Season's Future
Post by: jmar on September 27, 2011, 07:39:33 PM
I'd rather lose with the future.  I say let him play, if he does well Pike goes elsewhere, if he tanks we can turn him into a wide receiver.
And fuck-up Trooper's elite receiving corp with a cast-off?
Title: Re: Frazier is This Season's Future
Post by: djsimp on September 27, 2011, 08:49:44 PM
Hell, what is gonna hurt at this point. I'm sure the kid has got skills at passing, we know hes gots the wheelz.
Title: Re: Frazier is This Season's Future
Post by: Townhallsavoy on September 27, 2011, 09:39:46 PM
Gus Malzahn on Kiehl Frazier playing more:

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"I think so. He's impressed us. He's a real calm kid. We're trying to expand his role"
Title: Re: Frazier is This Season's Future
Post by: GH2001 on September 28, 2011, 09:21:37 AM
I'd rather lose with the future.  I say let him play, if he does well Pike goes elsewhere, if he tanks we can turn him into a wide receiver.
Yep, go ahead and develop him. Were a 5-7 win team with or without him, so might as well plan for next year. We could be badass the next 2 years if we play this right.

I don't think Zeke would leave solely because of this happening.
Title: Re: Frazier is This Season's Future
Post by: GH2001 on September 28, 2011, 09:22:24 AM
He has much work to do.

Enough about Barrett Trotter snaggle. Let's talk about Frazier.
Title: Re: Frazier is This Season's Future
Post by: CCTAU on September 28, 2011, 09:26:15 AM
Bwaaaaa. That Kodi Burns kid will win us 500 games if we just let him play.


Be real. The kid has not even shown he can throw the ball yet. Keep him in wildcat and give him more throws. If he does well, increase his time. But don't give away the now for the future just because you THINK he'll be great one day.
Title: Re: Frazier is This Season's Future
Post by: Townhallsavoy on September 28, 2011, 09:30:57 AM
I didn't mean this to say "He's the answer to our woes."

I'm just relaying what the coaches are saying.

They're starting to hint.  Frazier is going to get more plays. 
Title: Re: Frazier is This Season's Future
Post by: CCTAU on September 28, 2011, 09:36:11 AM
I didn't mean this to say "He's the answer to our woes."

I'm just relaying what the coaches are saying.

They're starting to hint.  Frazier is going to get more plays.

And he should, but we don't need another false savior. We need to bring him along slowly. If the kid is going to be good, we'll see it in flashes. For now he has not done, of been allowed to do, a whole lot. I don't mind mixing him in more. But there are many out there who just want to give up and let him have the reins.
Title: Re: Frazier is This Season's Future
Post by: Snaggletiger on September 28, 2011, 09:44:06 AM
I didn't mean this to say "He's the answer to our woes."

I'm just relaying what the coaches are saying.

They're starting to hint.  Frazier is going to get more plays.

I think working him in more and at least giving him a series here and there is the ticket.  I'm certainly not ready to tank Trotter by any stretch because he's had some good moments and a lot of his ineffectiveness at times is the result of shitty playcalling.  Right now, through 4 games, Trotter is:

61/99  783 yards  8TDs  3 Ints.  196 yards/game

Not bad numbers and again, I think they'd be a good bit better if some things were different in the playcalling.  The only real element Frazier brings right now is better running ability.
Title: Re: Frazier is This Season's Future
Post by: GH2001 on September 28, 2011, 10:22:19 AM


Be real. The kid has not even shown he can throw the ball yet.
Why do you guys keep bringing Trotter into this?
Title: Re: Frazier is This Season's Future
Post by: JR4AU on September 28, 2011, 01:11:14 PM
Why do you guys keep bringing Trotter into this?

Being cute and funny aside, he's right.  We know NOTHING about him, other than he seems to have pretty good wheels.  Yet, everybody assumes he's the savior?   

Fuckin' shit fans are funny.  "The true Fr. guy we've barely seen play has to be better than the guy the coaches chose to start!" 

                                                                                      :haha:




                                                                                                                                           

Title: Re: Frazier is This Season's Future
Post by: Vandy Vol on September 28, 2011, 01:55:40 PM
Being cute and funny aside, he's right.  We know NOTHING about him, other than he seems to have pretty good wheels.  Yet, everybody assumes he's the savior?   

Fuckin' shit fans are funny.  "The true Fr. guy we've barely seen play has to be better than the guy the coaches chose to start!" 

                                                                                      :haha:
                                                                                                                                     

Thinking that any large black guy with wheels is Jesus Christ; it's one of the many symptoms of Cammy Cam Juice withdrawal.
Title: Re: Frazier is This Season's Future
Post by: Snaggletiger on September 28, 2011, 02:04:24 PM
Thinking that any large black guy with wheels is Jesus Christ; it's one of the many symptoms of Cammy Cam Juice withdrawal.

Drinkin' my juice young love chug-a-lug me
Title: Re: Frazier is This Season's Future
Post by: Jumbo on September 28, 2011, 02:34:24 PM
Thinking that any large black guy with wheels is Jesus Christ; it's one of the many symptoms of Cammy Cam Juice withdrawal.
I miss your face.
Title: Re: Frazier is This Season's Future
Post by: GH2001 on September 28, 2011, 02:39:51 PM
I miss your face.

Vandy Vol loves the juice of a big black guy. AWK is jealous.
Title: Re: Frazier is This Season's Future
Post by: Xanusus on September 28, 2011, 02:49:04 PM
I'm not calling for Frazier to replace Trotter. Just give him more reps than he is currently getting. Everytime Frazier has been in the game something positive has happened. Need the third down conversion? Boom he comes in and delivers. Need a huge pass play. Boom he comes in and he and Clint deliver. There's only been one bad play that Frazier has been in on on offense and that was his first pass. It wasn't a terrible pass either. It was put where it could not be intercepted and off the receiver's hands. Sorry but if the ball hits the receivers hands I expect them to catch it.
Title: Re: Frazier is This Season's Future
Post by: Snaggletiger on September 28, 2011, 02:55:53 PM
I'm not calling for Frazier to replace Trotter. Just give him more reps than he is currently getting. Everytime Frazier has been in the game something positive has happened. Need the third down conversion? Boom he comes in and delivers. Need a huge pass play. Boom he comes in and he and Clint deliver. There's only been one bad play that Frazier has been in on on offense and that was his first pass. It wasn't a terrible pass either. It was put where it could not be intercepted and off the receiver's hands. Sorry but if the ball hits the receivers hands I expect them to catch it.

You're asking way too much of our young receiving corp.  Catching the ball.  Pffft...
Title: Re: Frazier is This Season's Future
Post by: djsimp on September 28, 2011, 02:59:07 PM
You're asking way too much of our young receiving corp.  Catching the ball.  Pffft...

Maybe they should be using Parkay spread, its not butter.
Title: Re: Frazier is This Season's Future
Post by: Snaggletiger on September 28, 2011, 03:02:17 PM
Maybe they should be using Parkay spread, its not butter.

He's the kicker.  What does he know about offense?
Title: Re: Frazier is This Season's Future
Post by: AUTiger1 on September 28, 2011, 03:06:07 PM
If only we had a long snapper.....this shit wouldn't be happening.
Title: Re: Frazier is This Season's Future
Post by: Snaggletiger on September 28, 2011, 03:12:47 PM
If only we had a long snapper.....this shit wouldn't be happening.

Raise your hand and Daxify, bitch.
Title: Re: Frazier is This Season's Future
Post by: chinook on September 28, 2011, 03:28:07 PM
   PASSING           GP      Effic     Cmp-Att-Int         Pct     Yards     TD   Long  Avg/G
Wilson, Russell     4     218.4         69-91-1        75.8     1136     11     63     284.0

Title: Re: Frazier is This Season's Future
Post by: AuburnChopper 3.0 on September 28, 2011, 03:33:39 PM
Thinking that any large black guy with wheels is Jesus Christ; it's one of the many symptoms of Cammy Cam Juice withdrawal.


Maybe....but....

At least he brings knowledge of the specific offense.  Coaches say he's progressing.  He's a proven winner to this point.  He was the USA Today's #1 HS Offensive Player of the Year last year.

Id say there are reasons other than just being "any large black guy with wheels". I think there is justifiable intrigue outside his skin color also.
Title: Re: Frazier is This Season's Future
Post by: JR4AU on September 28, 2011, 03:36:51 PM
   PASSING           GP      Effic     Cmp-Att-Int         Pct     Yards     TD   Long  Avg/G
Wilson, Russell     4     218.4         69-91-1        75.8     1136     11     63     284.0

Excellent contribution.
Title: Re: Frazier is This Season's Future
Post by: Tiger Wench on September 28, 2011, 03:38:13 PM
The most popular guy on any football team is the back-up quarterback...

/smh/
Title: Re: Frazier is This Season's Future
Post by: JR4AU on September 28, 2011, 03:41:11 PM

Maybe....but....

At least he brings knowledge of the specific offense.  Coaches say he's progressing.  He's a proven winner to this point.  He was the USA Today's #1 HS Offensive Player of the Year last year.

Id say there are reasons other than just being "any large black guy with wheels". I think there is justifiable intrigue outside his skin color also.

I suspect that he may be familiar with a the core concepts, but every coach put their own spin on things, and Gus has been gone from there for a few years.  The language he understood from HS may be different, and I suspect that Gus had to make some tweaks and changes along the way when he moved to the next level.   In that regard, I'd bet Trotter is much better versed in it than Frazier. 
Title: Re: Frazier is This Season's Future
Post by: War Eagle!!! on September 28, 2011, 03:45:42 PM
The most popular guy on any football team is the back-up quarterback...

/smh/

I am pretty sure that is not always correct...

(http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSBp-YWBVlyHvqqhHIvmhuT6MTjhaAgjFjX0o4NWjguT0GF5W77BQ)
Title: Re: Frazier is This Season's Future
Post by: AuburnChopper 3.0 on September 28, 2011, 03:49:07 PM
I suspect that he may be familiar with a the core concepts, but every coach put their own spin on things, and Gus has been gone from there for a few years.  The language he understood from HS may be different, and I suspect that Gus had to make some tweaks and changes along the way when he moved to the next level.   In that regard, I'd bet Trotter is much better versed in it than Frazier.

Trotter just needs to fix his problem with L.O.F.T. (Lack Of Fucking Talent).

Which is possible, but right now he's looking very Toddish...
Title: Re: Frazier is This Season's Future
Post by: Snaggletiger on September 28, 2011, 03:58:25 PM
I am pretty sure that is not always correct...

(http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSBp-YWBVlyHvqqhHIvmhuT6MTjhaAgjFjX0o4NWjguT0GF5W77BQ)


Ooohh, I know you di'in't.
Title: Re: Frazier is This Season's Future
Post by: Vandy Vol on September 28, 2011, 04:40:32 PM

Maybe....but....

At least he brings knowledge of the specific offense.  Coaches say he's progressing.  He's a proven winner to this point.  He was the USA Today's #1 HS Offensive Player of the Year last year.

Id say there are reasons other than just being "any large black guy with wheels". I think there is justifiable intrigue outside his skin color also.

Like JR said, I think Malzahn's offense is different from (and more complex than) the high school offense that Frazier previously operated in.  Yes, Malzahn utilizes the spread, and yes, Frazier performed well in the spread during high school, but Malzahn's version of the spread utilizes aspects of the wishbone formation.  It's considered to open up more running lanes than the traditional spread, which is used to open up passing lanes.

That's not to say that Frazier wouldn't succeed in an altered spread offense with various complexities that Malzahn has added for the collegiate level, but why is Frazier just now showing signs of progress worthy of being reported?  People bitch about Trotter, and suddenly the coaches think that Frazier's progressing well?  No one noticed any signs of potential or progress in this kid until now?  It all seems a little contrived to me, as if the coaches (and now the fans) are looking for the next double threat superstar.
Title: Re: Frazier is This Season's Future
Post by: Snaggletiger on September 28, 2011, 04:53:36 PM
I can see where they would see improvement in the guy.  In the scrimmage I saw, he was in for about 8-9 series.  Totally unimpressive passer.  Has a gun but just wasn't accurate at all. Even the short passes were a tough catch.  Very smooth and athletic runner.  My point is, the kid has the tools but in my pathetically untrained eye, he had that whole "speed of the game" problem.  I saw him play twice in high school and the game revolved around him.  He was the offense.  Now, everyone is twice as big and fast and it's not up to him to create things like he did in HS.

When I saw him, he'd been on campus 3 weeks.  Now we're in week 5 of the season and he's just that much more experienced being around the game and in it some.  I still have no problem with Trotter and I'm certainly a long way from calling for a change.  The bottom line for me is I think you have to work the #2 in and I wish they had been able to get Fro Throw more reps last year.  Too many tight games, though.     
Title: Re: Frazier is This Season's Future
Post by: Xanusus on September 28, 2011, 06:02:56 PM
You've all seen this before but...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RB6Iei2URe8

I'm ready to start chanting Kodi Kodi Kodi. Anyone with me on that?
Title: Re: Frazier is This Season's Future
Post by: Tiger Wench on September 28, 2011, 06:31:32 PM
The most popular guy on any football team that sucks is the back-up quarterback...

/smh/

Fixt.  And still /smh/.  And y'all know it's true. 
Title: Re: Frazier is This Season's Future
Post by: chinook on September 28, 2011, 06:57:41 PM
Fixt.  And still /smh/.  And y'all know it's true.

lol
Title: Re: Frazier is This Season's Future
Post by: RWS on September 28, 2011, 09:49:51 PM
Like JR said, I think Malzahn's offense is different from (and more complex than) the high school offense that Frazier previously operated in.  Yes, Malzahn utilizes the spread, and yes, Frazier performed well in the spread during high school, but Malzahn's version of the spread utilizes aspects of the wishbone formation.  It's considered to open up more running lanes than the traditional spread, which is used to open up passing lanes.

That's not to say that Frazier wouldn't succeed in an altered spread offense with various complexities that Malzahn has added for the collegiate level, but why is Frazier just now showing signs of progress worthy of being reported?  People bitch about Trotter, and suddenly the coaches think that Frazier's progressing well?  No one noticed any signs of potential or progress in this kid until now?  It all seems a little contrived to me, as if the coaches (and now the fans) are looking for the next double threat superstar.
To further that, as an AU fan, I would be pretty fucking concerned if a true frosh showed up and could run Malzahn's college system as well as, or better than, a guy that has been at AU since day 1 of Malzahn. Even if that true frosh ran Malzahn's system in HS.
Title: Re: Frazier is This Season's Future
Post by: BZ770 on September 28, 2011, 10:53:46 PM
In the 99 season Ben Leard was hurt and Gabe Gross was sucking it up at a home game.  The student section started chanting we want Klein we want Klein.  Guess What Jeff Klein sucked worse than Gabe Gross.  I admire Kodi Burns but guess what same shit 2008 season.  I think Kyle Frazier has lots of talent but I don't know if he comes in he will be a saviour.  I would like to see Taylor Mosely take a few snaps this year to give me an opinion of himself.
Title: Re: Frazier is This Season's Future
Post by: ssgaufan on September 28, 2011, 11:06:09 PM
In the 99 season Ben Leard was hurt and Gabe Gross was sucking it up at a home game.  The student section started chanting we want Klein we want Klein.  Guess What Jeff Klein sucked worse than Gabe Gross.  I admire Kodi Burns but guess what same shit 2008 season.  I think Kyle Frazier has lots of talent but I don't know if he comes in he will be a saviour.  I would like to see Taylor Mosely take a few snaps this year to give me an opinion of himself.

If Trotter and Mosely were so close in fall camp, it couldn't hurt to see what he can do.
Title: Re: Frazier is This Season's Future
Post by: djsimp on September 28, 2011, 11:46:43 PM
I honeslty don't think Trotter has done a bad job at all. Actually, he has done pretty well. I do have to agree though, burning an entire redshirt for a couple Wildcat plays with Frazier seems a bit foolish to me. If his redshirt is gone now, lets see more if him you know.
Title: Re: Frazier is This Season's Future
Post by: jmar on September 29, 2011, 05:55:13 AM
I honeslty don't think Trotter has done a bad job at all. Actually, he has done pretty well. I do have to agree though, burning an entire redshirt for a couple Wildcat plays with Frazier seems a bit foolish to me. If his redshirt is gone now, lets see more if him you know.
Frothro has a short history with knees since his senior year at Briarwood. It's really worked out as I thought it would with Moseley as number two and Kiehl getting more snaps. The October schedule alone was reason enough to burn a RS. And it wouldn't surprise me a bit to see Moseley some late in the year like we did Nix.

We need to protect better, but mostly our receivers need to angle back toward the sideline for the ball and not drop the screens. Trotter takes care of the offense well enough if the others do their part. He's only had a couple of glaring miscues and his stat line is comparable to Brantleys at UF. And we knew he wasn't Wilson or Murray coming in.

I wouldn't have bet .50 on that guy at Oklahoma after seeing his innaugural season and he might have reached his pinnacle but he has a heap of help surrounding him too.
Title: Re: Frazier is This Season's Future
Post by: wesfau2 on September 29, 2011, 10:23:35 AM
I honeslty don't think Trotter has done a bad job at all. Actually, he has done pretty well.

Fuck me.  We agree.
Title: Re: Frazier is This Season's Future
Post by: GH2001 on September 29, 2011, 12:04:06 PM
Fuck me.  We agree.

Admit it Wes. You and simp put on a show for our entertainment pleasure ala Finebaum.
Title: Re: Frazier is This Season's Future
Post by: JR4AU on September 29, 2011, 03:15:44 PM
Like JR said, I think Malzahn's offense is different from (and more complex than) the high school offense that Frazier previously operated in.  Yes, Malzahn utilizes the spread, and yes, Frazier performed well in the spread during high school, but Malzahn's version of the spread utilizes aspects of the wishbone formation.  It's considered to open up more running lanes than the traditional spread, which is used to open up passing lanes.

That's not to say that Frazier wouldn't succeed in an altered spread offense with various complexities that Malzahn has added for the collegiate level, but why is Frazier just now showing signs of progress worthy of being reported?  People bitch about Trotter, and suddenly the coaches think that Frazier's progressing well?  No one noticed any signs of potential or progress in this kid until now?  It all seems a little contrived to me, as if the coaches (and now the fans) are looking for the next double threat superstar.

A. "The Spread" is not an offensive system.  It's a method of spreading the defense out to run an offensive system. 

B.  Malzahn's offense is pretty much the Wing T run from the Shotgun, not the Wishbone.  He started his coaching career with a whistle and a copy of "The Delaware Wing T, An Order of Football by "Tubby" Raymond in his hand. 

All I'm pointing out is that Frazier's HS experience may aid him every so slightly in understanding what Malzahn does, because he played for a HS coach that learned from Malzahn, but there's still probably lots of differences in the play calling system, how they reads, etc.   Not to mention the speed of the game.
Title: Re: Frazier is This Season's Future
Post by: djsimp on September 29, 2011, 05:09:56 PM
Admit it Wes. You and simp put on a show for our entertainment pleasure ala Finebaum.

Shut you pie hole GH. This is nothing like Finebaum.
Title: Re: Frazier is This Season's Future
Post by: AWK on September 29, 2011, 06:04:10 PM
A. "The Spread" is not an offensive system.  It's a method of spreading the defense out to run an offensive system. 

B.  Malzahn's offense is pretty much the Wing T run from the Shotgun, not the Wishbone.  He started his coaching career with a whistle and a copy of "The Delaware Wing T, An Order of Football by "Tubby" Raymond in his hand. 

All I'm pointing out is that Frazier's HS experience may aid him every so slightly in understanding what Malzahn does, because he played for a HS coach that learned from Malzahn, but there's still probably lots of differences in the play calling system, how they reads, etc.   Not to mention the speed of the game.
If you want to be technical, if it is a method used to do something a specific way, then it can be described as a system...no?
Title: Re: Frazier is This Season's Future
Post by: jmar on September 29, 2011, 07:52:10 PM
A. "The Spread" is not an offensive system.  It's a method of spreading the defense out to run an offensive system. 

B.  Malzahn's offense is pretty much the Wing T run from the Shotgun, not the Wishbone.  He started his coaching career with a whistle and a copy of "The Delaware Wing T, An Order of Football by "Tubby" Raymond in his hand. 

All I'm pointing out is that Frazier's HS experience may aid him every so slightly in understanding what Malzahn does, because he played for a HS coach that learned from Malzahn, but there's still probably lots of differences in the play calling system, how they reads, etc.   Not to mention the speed of the game.
All I care is that the players allow Gus to blend all of the elements together because no one has figured out a way to stop the no huddle and so much can be added beyond the base plays. The triple option, pro-set and virtually any scheme can be implemented from the NH.   
Title: Re: Frazier is This Season's Future
Post by: djsimp on September 29, 2011, 08:29:32 PM
Fuck me.  We agree.

The bi-product of having a phenom at QB like Cam. Everyone knew there would be a dropoff, just wasn't prepared for it.
Title: Re: Frazier is This Season's Future
Post by: JR4AU on September 29, 2011, 08:46:40 PM
If you want to be technical, if it is a method used to do something a specific way, then it can be described as a system...no?

Not sure what you're asking.
Title: Re: Frazier is This Season's Future
Post by: GH2001 on September 29, 2011, 09:20:20 PM
If you want to be technical, if it is a method used to do something a specific way, then it can be described as a system...no?

Jim likes teh semantics of foosball formations.
Title: Re: Frazier is This Season's Future
Post by: AWK on September 29, 2011, 09:38:14 PM
Not sure what you're asking.
System
1. A set of connected things or parts forming a complex whole, in particular.
Title: Re: Frazier is This Season's Future
Post by: Tiger Wench on September 29, 2011, 10:03:53 PM
System
1. A set of connected things or parts forming a complex whole, in particular.

Is that anything like a process?  Cuz Lord Sabinz got that bitch locked down, a'ight?
Title: Re: Frazier is This Season's Future
Post by: JR4AU on September 29, 2011, 10:07:52 PM
System
1. A set of connected things or parts forming a complex whole, in particular.

If you think lining up in the various shotgun spread formations and running any of a multitude of offensive concepts means that everybody that lines up in shotgun spread formations is running the same system, then have at.
Title: Re: Frazier is This Season's Future
Post by: GH2001 on September 30, 2011, 09:05:42 AM
If you think lining up in the various shotgun spread formations and running any of a multitude of offensive concepts means that everybody that lines up in shotgun spread formations is running the same system, then have at.

We need a "bait, meet fish" emoticon. Like a hook or something.
Title: Re: Frazier is This Season's Future
Post by: Vandy Vol on September 30, 2011, 09:21:11 AM
A. "The Spread" is not an offensive system.  It's a method of spreading the defense out to run an offensive system.

I don't recall where I called it a "system?"  Regardless, they (meaning the public at large) refer to it as the spread offense.  In its very basic form, it utilizes three or more receivers.  The basic purpose of it is to create passing lanes.  Seems like a form of offense to me, hence why it's called the "spread offense."

B.  Malzahn's offense is pretty much the Wing T run from the Shotgun, not the Wishbone.  He started his coaching career with a whistle and a copy of "The Delaware Wing T, An Order of Football by "Tubby" Raymond in his hand.

It has strong elements of the wishbone, which is what allows the running game to be a significant part of Malzahn's spread offense.

Don't agree with me?  Take it up with Dye...

http://www.annistonstar.com/view/full_story/3619956/article-Spread-the-love--Malzahn-s-system-has-produced-big-so-far

All I'm pointing out is that Frazier's HS experience may aid him every so slightly in understanding what Malzahn does, because he played for a HS coach that learned from Malzahn, but there's still probably lots of differences in the play calling system, how they reads, etc.   Not to mention the speed of the game.

If we're talking Malzahn experience, doesn't Trotter have more of it?  Or, at the very least, knowledge of Malzahn's more recent variations and schemes?  I understand Trotter's not blowing people out of the water or anything, but is it really time to hand over the reins to a freshman QB because he has wheels and shows some signs of improvement?

Me thinks not.
Title: Re: Frazier is This Season's Future
Post by: GH2001 on September 30, 2011, 09:27:39 AM
I don't recall where I called it a "system?"  Regardless, they (meaning the public at large) refer to it as the spread offense.  In its very basic form, it utilizes three or more receivers.  The basic purpose of it is to create passing lanes.  Seems like a form of offense to me, hence why it's called the "spread offense."

It has strong elements of the wishbone, which is what allows the running game to be a significant part of Malzahn's spread offense.

Don't agree with me?  Take it up with Dye...

http://www.annistonstar.com/view/full_story/3619956/article-Spread-the-love--Malzahn-s-system-has-produced-big-so-far

If we're talking Malzahn experience, doesn't Trotter have more of it?  Or, at the very least, knowledge of Malzahn's more recent variations and schemes?  I understand Trotter's not blowing people out of the water or anything, but is it really time to hand over the reins to a freshman QB because he has wheels and shows some signs of improvement?

Me thinks not.

I've always thought of the spread in general as just a wishbone with shotgun that went a little further vertically with an extra WR. I remember watching Auburn run it in the 80's with Bo and Little Train. It was a thing of beauty. Even watching GT or Navy run the triple option now is fun to watch. When it fails though, it's ugly. As good as GT looks now running it, I think they would hit a brick wall with OU, Bama or LSU's front 7.
Title: Re: Frazier is This Season's Future
Post by: Snaggletiger on September 30, 2011, 09:41:32 AM
I've always thought of the spread in general as just a wishbone with shotgun that went a little further vertically with an extra WR. I remember watching Auburn run it in the 80's with Bo and Little Train. It was a thing of beauty. Even watching GT or Navy run the triple option now is fun to watch. When it fails though, it's ugly. As good as GT looks now running it, I think they would hit a brick wall with OU, Bama or LSU's front 7.

Your post reminded me of watching CSS last night.  The 91' Georgia/GT game from Grant Field.  Muschamp was on D for Jawja and Garrison Hearst was a beast running the ball.  I love how during those replays, they have all this trivia flashing on the bottom of the screen.  They said Jawja had 8 wins that year and beat Arkansas in the Independence Bowl.  Love those old replays.
Title: Re: Frazier is This Season's Future
Post by: JR4AU on September 30, 2011, 12:07:55 PM
I don't recall where I called it a "system?"  Regardless, they (meaning the public at large) refer to it as the spread offense.  In its very basic form, it utilizes three or more receivers.  The basic purpose of it is to create passing lanes.  Seems like a form of offense to me, hence why it's called the "spread offense."

It has strong elements of the wishbone, which is what allows the running game to be a significant part of Malzahn's spread offense.

Don't agree with me?  Take it up with Dye...

http://www.annistonstar.com/view/full_story/3619956/article-Spread-the-love--Malzahn-s-system-has-produced-big-so-far

If we're talking Malzahn experience, doesn't Trotter have more of it?  Or, at the very least, knowledge of Malzahn's more recent variations and schemes?  I understand Trotter's not blowing people out of the water or anything, but is it really time to hand over the reins to a freshman QB because he has wheels and shows some signs of improvement?

Me thinks not.

Whatever.
Title: Re: Frazier is This Season's Future
Post by: chinook on September 30, 2011, 12:10:38 PM
Whatever.

(http://www.soliloblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Matt-Damon-As-Will-Hunting-in-Good-Will-Hunting.jpg)
Title: Re: Frazier is This Season's Future
Post by: Vandy Vol on September 30, 2011, 02:34:20 PM
I've always thought of the spread in general as just a wishbone with shotgun that went a little further vertically with an extra WR. I remember watching Auburn run it in the 80's with Bo and Little Train. It was a thing of beauty. Even watching GT or Navy run the triple option now is fun to watch. When it fails though, it's ugly. As good as GT looks now running it, I think they would hit a brick wall with OU, Bama or LSU's front 7.

I've pretty much thought the same thing as well.  The traditional wishbone loaded up the backfield with three backs for the possibility of a double or triple option, and was primarily a rushing offense.  Oklahoma owned that shit in the 70's.  I think they still have NCAA rushing records from their use of the wishbone from that era?  Since then there have been a multitude of variations on the wishbone, including the spread offense which can be considered a bastard child of the wishbone.

It's all pretty muddy terminology now, especially with coaches like Malzahn mixing things up.
Title: Re: Frazier is This Season's Future
Post by: djsimp on September 30, 2011, 03:56:35 PM
Got this in a fluchergam today:

Quote

Auburn freshman backup quarterback Kiehl Frazier may get more playing time in the Wildcat formation.

Written by

Jay G. Tate

·         

AUBURN -- Kiehl Frazier arrived on campus three months ago as the future of Auburn's offense. He's quickly becoming part of the current solution.

Frazier, a freshman, earned a season-high four snaps against Florida Atlantic last weekend, averaging 10 yards with his three carries and missing with an ambitious throw to wideout Emory Blake.

He ran with surprising conviction between the tackles and his emerging reputation alone could be enough to boost the Tigers' middling ground attack.

Will Frazier soon be in position to seize the job from junior Barrett Trotter?

"Whatever Coach (Gus) Malzahn thinks," Frazier said. "He's going to go in with the guy he has the most trust in and that has been Barrett so far."

Trotter waited three seasons for his chance at the starting job and his knowledge of Malzahn's intricate offense is unparalleled. Still, the quarterback has missed some important passing opportunities because of poor reads and/or inaccurate throws.

He has struggled to burn defenses with deep balls, which is an important element of Malzahn's philosophy.

Perhaps most important, Trotter isn't a running threat. Surgery on both knees has robbed the Birmingham native of his once-impressive acceleration.

Defenses allocated ample resources toward defending Cam Newton as a rusher last season. His presence made jet sweeps and power runs an overwhelming advantage because opponents were concerned about guarding every possible ball carrier.

Those plays are no longer working consistently.

Defenses aren't scared of Trotter as a rushing threat, which makes life more difficult for tailbacks Onterio McCalebb and Mike Dyer.

If a rushing threat emerged at quarterback, though, defenses again would be forced to consider every possible option out of the backfield.

Heading into Saturday's game at No. 10 South Carolina, Frazier could be that man.

To this point, he has worked exclusively out of the Wildcat formation.

Frazier, even with his relative inexperience, only goes through a few simple reads.

A front-size or back-side defensive end is the key each time.

If he crashes to the in-motion tailback, Frazier is supposed to run.

If the end crashes to Frazier, the ball is pitched to the tailback.

He made good decisions against Florida Atlantic and finished as Auburn's second-leading rusher with 30 yards.

"I was a little bit surprised," wideout Emory Blake said. "In practice, he doesn't really get hit because he's the quarterback, and I really hadn't had a chance to see him run yet. He ran plays well when he got out there."

Frazier's ability to handle simple plays may help him land a more important job in short order. Coach Gene Chizik on Tuesday insinuated that Frazier has been considered for work beyond the Wildcat formation.

"That's not out of the question," Chizik said. "Right now, it has been a concerted effort to keep in the spot with the Wildcat threat. We see it in practice every day. He's getting more confident. That's why his role has expanded some."

Frazier said he works with the first-team offense occasionally during practice, but it's only to sharpen his command of certain packages. He didn't identify those packages.

Malzahn took a new step with Frazier last weekend by letting him throw out of the Wildcat formation. He was given two passing options and was instructed to scramble if neither receiver was open.

He improvised.

A pair of defenders had Blake covered and Frazier forced a throw anyway.

The pass was incomplete.

Statistically, it was nothing more than a footnote.

Yet it's clearer than ever that Frazier is valued highly by the coaching staff. They're ready to put at least token trust in him, which is notable considering he's still behind sophomore Clint Moseley on the depth chart.

Frazier said he appreciates his time on the field.

"It definitely makes me a lot more comfortable, just like all us freshmen," he said. "As the season goes on, I think that we'll be making more and more plays."
Title: Re: Frazier is This Season's Future
Post by: GH2001 on September 30, 2011, 03:56:58 PM
I've pretty much thought the same thing as well.  The traditional wishbone loaded up the backfield with three backs for the possibility of a double or triple option, and was primarily a rushing offense.  Oklahoma owned that shit in the 70's.  I think they still have NCAA rushing records from their use of the wishbone from that era?  Since then there have been a multitude of variations on the wishbone, including the spread offense which can be considered a bastard child of the wishbone.

It's all pretty muddy terminology now, especially with coaches like Malzahn mixing things up.

The Spread isn't a system damnit!! It's a method.

The Wing T - now that's a system.
Title: Re: Frazier is This Season's Future
Post by: djsimp on September 30, 2011, 04:05:45 PM
The Wing T - now that's a system.

No, this is a system.

(http://184.168.127.216/photos/Sagia-Casta-eda-working-the-dj-equipment-in-a-white-top-and-shorts-and-yankee-cap.jpg)
Title: Re: Frazier is This Season's Future
Post by: AU_Tiger_2000 on September 30, 2011, 04:17:23 PM
No, this is a system.

(http://184.168.127.216/photos/Sagia-Casta-eda-working-the-dj-equipment-in-a-white-top-and-shorts-and-yankee-cap.jpg)

Looks like she might have undergone some sort of surgical process.
Title: Re: Frazier is This Season's Future
Post by: Snaggletiger on September 30, 2011, 04:18:56 PM
Looks like she might have undergone some sort of surgical process.

Yep.  Here eyebrows do look a little high.
Title: Re: Frazier is This Season's Future
Post by: GH2001 on September 30, 2011, 04:25:53 PM
Yep.  Here eyebrows do look a little high.
I'm gonna need proof that surgery has indeed been performed on said lady.
Title: Re: Frazier is This Season's Future
Post by: djsimp on September 30, 2011, 04:29:58 PM
Whats wrong with you guys, I was talking about the turntab.....ok, never mind. I would to be there to hear the records she is spinning. That would be wonderful.
Title: Re: Frazier is This Season's Future
Post by: Snaggletiger on September 30, 2011, 04:32:35 PM
She spins me right round baby right round
Title: Re: Frazier is This Season's Future
Post by: djsimp on September 30, 2011, 05:17:20 PM
She spins me right round baby right round

All I want to do is the boom boom boom in the zoom zoom.
Title: Re: Frazier is This Season's Future
Post by: Vandy Vol on September 30, 2011, 11:56:20 PM
The Spread isn't a system damnit!! It's a method.

The Wing T - now that's a system.

Well, whatever the nature of Malzahn's system, it appears to be broken at the moment:

(http://registrycleanersoftware.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/blue-screen-of-death.jpg)
Title: Re: Frazier is This Season's Future
Post by: GH2001 on October 02, 2011, 10:16:55 AM
Well, whatever the nature of Malzahn's system, it appears to be broken at the moment:

(http://registrycleanersoftware.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/blue-screen-of-death.jpg)

Yeah, it has a glitch in it called a "Trotter".