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Pat Dye Field => War Damn Eagle => Topic started by: Saniflush on August 25, 2011, 03:11:54 PM
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Time to get this party started.
http://blog.chron.com/aggies/2011/08/aggies-notify-big-12-they-intend-to-explore-options-on-league-front/
COLLEGE STATION – Texas A&M has made its first official move outside of Aggieland in its plans to exit the Big 12 for the Southeastern Conference. The Aggies on Thursday afternoon sent the Big 12 office in Dallas a letter explaining the Aggies are “exploring options related to the institution’s athletic conference affiliation.”
An A&M insider said the letter is simply the first official, legal step in the process of A&M exiting the Big 12 for the SEC. The Big 12’s directors board is scheduled to meet on Saturday, the insider said, and perhaps at that time release the Aggies from the conference. If so, the SEC would then be free in the days following to invite A&M as its 13th member, and the Big 12 likely would officially begin its pursuit of a 10th member to take A&M’s place – perhaps BYU, Notre Dame, Houston or SMU, among other candidates.
A&M’s letter to the Big 12 is similar to the process that Nebraska, now in the Big Ten, followed in its exit from the Big 12 last year (Colorado also left for the Pac-12, leaving the Big 12 with 10 members). In A&M’s letter to Big 12 commissioner Dan Beebe, A&M president R. Bowen Loftin “indicated that if the university withdraws from the conference, Texas A&M would do so in a way that complies with the Big 12’s bylaws. Additionally, Texas A&M would be supportive of the Big 12’s efforts to seek a new member of the conference,” according to an A&M release.
Said Loftin in the release, “As I have indicated previously, we are working very deliberately to act in the best long-term interests of both Texas A&M and the State of Texas. This truly is a 100-year decision. While we understand the desire of all parties to quickly reach a resolution, these are extremely complex issues that we are addressing methodically.”
Loftin added, “Ultimately, we are seeking to generate greater visibility nationwide for Texas A&M and our championship-caliber student-athletes, as well as secure the necessary and stable financial resources to support our athletic and academic programs. As a public university, Texas A&M owes it to the state’s taxpayers to maximize our assets and generate additional revenues both now and well into the future.”
No timetable has been set for an announcement that A&M will join the SEC, as the Aggies continue working through the legal process, the insider said.
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The Faggies do nothing for me. I see no reason to expand in the first place but if it's got to happen, they'd be way down my list. Fuck an Aggie
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The Faggies do nothing for me. I see no reason to expand in the first place but if it's got to happen, they'd be way down my list. Fuck an Aggie
The more this thing lingers, the less I like the idea.
Don't like the idea of expansion at all, much less for a 13th team, much less for someone as mediocre as aTm.
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I thought this was over.
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If this goes down how much you wanna bet they go after SMU. Another powder puff football program that Texas can run rough shot over. God I hate the Big 12 light-
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Just another team wearing maroon/crimpsum.
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If they must come, they should bring Oklahomo with them, so Auburn can move to the East.
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I thought this was over.
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It ain't over.
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The more this thing lingers, the less I like the idea.
much less for someone as mediocre as aTm.
Your kidding right?
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Your kidding right?
'splain.
Are you saying they're better than mediocre?
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Your kidding right?
Sani is right. As mediocre as they SEEM, statistically speaking they are above average. They have just been mediocre lately, much like Syracuse. They're a Top 20 All Time program.
http://football.stassen.com/
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Sani is right. As mediocre as they SEEM, statistically speaking they are above average. They have just been mediocre lately, much like Syracuse. They're a Top 20 All Time program.
http://football.stassen.com/
Yeah, that.
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Sani is right. As mediocre as they SEEM, statistically speaking they are above average. They have just been mediocre lately, much like Syracuse. They're a Top 20 All Time program.
http://football.stassen.com/
By your own source (actual relevant info here (http://football.stassen.com/cgi-bin/records/calc-wp.pl?start=1869&end=2010&rpct=30&min=5&se=on&by=Win+Pct)) they are 24th in Win Percentage.
Behind Alabama, Tennessee, Georgia, LSU, Auburn, and Florida in the SEC. In other words, bottom half. Three spots above Arkansas. Hardly great.
Others above them in that list: Miami-Ohio, Washington, Arizona State, Central Michigan, Colorado...
Just sayin', they've been Texas & Oklahoma's doormat for as long as I can remember.
Haven't had less than 4 losses since 1994 (2 years they had three, but the record shows they actually had at least one win vacated in both of those years).
I think they water down the SEC (in football at least) more than they strengthen it.
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By your own source (actual relevant info here (http://football.stassen.com/cgi-bin/records/calc-wp.pl?start=1869&end=2010&rpct=30&min=5&se=on&by=Win+Pct)) they are 24th in Win Percentage.
Behind Alabama, Tennessee, Georgia, LSU, Auburn, and Florida in the SEC. In other words, bottom half. Three spots above Arkansas. Hardly great.
Others above them in that list: Miami-Ohio, Washington, Arizona State, Central Michigan, Colorado...
Just sayin', they've been Texas & Oklahoma's doormat for as long as I can remember.
Haven't had less than 4 losses since 1994 (2 years they had three, but the record shows they actually had at least one win vacated in both of those years).
I think they water down the SEC (in football at least) more than they strengthen it.
If you exclude Yale and Boise St OR go by Wins (which is what most do in this regard), they are top 20.
And yes, I agree with everything you said. Top 20 or Top 25, either way I don't want them. They DO water the SEC down. They'e been very average the last 15 years in a very average conference. And frankly, they're crazy.
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By your own source (actual relevant info here (http://football.stassen.com/cgi-bin/records/calc-wp.pl?start=1869&end=2010&rpct=30&min=5&se=on&by=Win+Pct)) they are 24th in Win Percentage.
Behind Alabama, Tennessee, Georgia, LSU, Auburn, and Florida in the SEC. In other words, bottom half. Three spots above Arkansas. Hardly great.
I think they water down the SEC (in football at least) more than they strengthen it.
Well part of the problem is you are too young to remember it. Who are you going to bring in at this point that really does not water it down and you gain television market?
Remember at the end of the day that's what is going to sell anyone coming in. So with the Faggies you gain a huge fan base and an even larger television market.
Their standards will come up.
Remember Bear was there, so the knowledge of how to cheat is firmly entrenched in their culture.
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If you exclude Yale and Boise St OR go by Wins (which is what most do in this regard), they are top 20.
Have you still not looked at your own source?
Yale and Boise St. are not on that list.
They are both at the bottom under "Teams not qualifying for the Win % Table".
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Screw expansion. Why mess with a good thing? Just more hurdles to get over to win the league.
If it happens, the teams that have been mentioned most prominently over the last month or so have been:
Texas A&M
FSU
Virginia Tech
Clemson
Georgia Tech
Miami
We know Miami is out. Out of that list, I'd most like to see FSU and Georgia Tech, who already have built in yearly rivalries with SEC teams and they fit geographically. Plus, the TV markets are pretty stout. TexASS A&M just makes no damn sense and makes for one hell of a long road trip for everyone except maybe LSU. I just don't get the thought process here.
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Screw expansion. Why mess with a good thing? Just more hurdles to get over to win the league.
If it happens, the teams that have been mentioned most prominently over the last month or so have been:
Texas A&M
FSU
Virginia Tech
Clemson
Georgia Tech
Miami
We know Miami is out. Out of that list, I'd most like to see FSU and Georgia Tech, who already have built in yearly rivalries with SEC teams and they fit geographically.
The SEC already has coverage in both of those tv markets. Texas and the DC beltway is where the SEC does not have a grip yet.
GT will never do it. There is a reason they left to begin with. They're pussies.
FSU had their chance in the 80's and they didn't take it. They're pussies.
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Screw expansion. Why mess with a good thing? Just more hurdles to get over to win the league.
If it happens, the teams that have been mentioned most prominently over the last month or so have been:
Texas A&M
FSU
Virginia Tech
Clemson
Georgia Tech
Miami
We know Miami is out. Out of that list, I'd most like to see FSU and Georgia Tech, who already have built in yearly rivalries with SEC teams and they fit geographically. Plus, the TV markets are pretty stout. TexASS A&M just makes no damn sense and makes for one hell of a long road trip for everyone except maybe LSU. I just don't get the thought process here.
What TV market? The market in the state of Florida which is already led by UF? There are no GT fans in Atlanta. Only Bulldogs in that entire state.
Just sayin.
The only option of those from a "Market" standpoint is A&M, but really who gives a fuck? That money's not going in our pockets.
I care about the prestige of the SEC. I want an SEC team in the National Championship game every year. A&M isn't going to help that.
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The SEC already has coverage in both of those tv markets. Texas and the DC beltway is where the SEC does not have a grip yet.
GT will never do it. There is a reason they left to begin with. They're pussies.
FSU had their chance in the 80's and they didn't take it. They're pussies.
It's like you're in my head but faster.
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Aggie will be in the SEC, bank it.
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Have you still not looked at your own source?
Yale and Boise St. are not on that list.
They are both at the bottom under "Teams not qualifying for the Win % Table".
Here is the one I did just by wins, excluding teams not considered major or D-I now or at the start of the span.
http://football.stassen.com/cgi-bin/records/calc-wp.pl?start=1869&end=2010&rpct=30&min=5&ss=on&se=on&c1a=on&by=Wins (http://football.stassen.com/cgi-bin/records/calc-wp.pl?start=1869&end=2010&rpct=30&min=5&ss=on&se=on&c1a=on&by=Wins)
I do see where they slip to 23rd on Winning % under the same criteria. To me, the wins is more of an indicator of a good program since it is sustained. Boise St has the best Winning % the last 50 years but by no means are they a Top 25 program all time.
Basically, my point here is that of all the major schools the last 150 years, they are roughly a Top 20 program. Out of 120 Current D1 schools, that's above average. Too bad, that's not gonna be good enough IMHO. I'm with you, either go big or don't go at all. Aggie is just not big enough in stature anymore.
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That money's not going in our pockets.
How do you figure that?
Conferences negotiate their television contracts based on what projected viewership will be. Bigger T.V. contracts mean bigger individual payouts to each school.
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The SEC already has coverage in both of those tv markets. Texas and the DC beltway is where the SEC does not have a grip yet.
GT will never do it. There is a reason they left to begin with. They're pussies.
FSU had their chance in the 80's and they didn't take it. They're pussies.
If it's all about the market, then to hell with the whole idea. College football in general is getting way out of control.
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If you judge a school more by over 20 years ago than you do the last 20 years, you might be a bammer.
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How do you figure that?
Conferences negotiate their television contracts based on what projected viewership will be. Bigger T.V. contracts mean bigger individual payouts to each school.
Our meaning mine and yours.
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If you judge a school more by over 20 years ago than you do the last 20 years, you might be a bammer.
It's more directed at the inference that Aggie is a "mediocre program". Usually "program" is spoken in the context of their entire existence from start to present. Just saying that technically speaking, they are not a "mediocre program", but yes they have been mediocre the last 15 years or so. I probably am more against them joining the SEC than you. They offer nothing in the hear and now. I don't see anything they add but TV market. Screw that. Like Snaggle said, this is suppose to be about football, not fucking TV deals. If we add them to get TV market ONLY, then we've done ourselves a disservice as a conference.
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If it's all about the market, then to hell with the whole idea. College football in general is getting way out of control.
I don't disagree that it's out of control but you know as well as I do it's exactly about the money.
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It's more directed at the inference that Aggie is a "mediocre program". Usually "program" is spoken in the context of their entire existence from start to present. Just saying that technically speaking, they are not a "mediocre program", but yes they have been mediocre the last 15 years or so. I probably am more against them joining the SEC than you. They offer nothing in the hear and now. I don't see anything they add but TV market. Screw that. Like Snaggle said, this is suppose to be about football, not fucking TV deals. If we add them to get TV market ONLY, then we've done ourselves a disservice as a conference.
Before Mac Brown got to Texas you could have easily said that Texas was mediocre if you use the same standards.
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Before Mac Brown got to Texas you could have easily said that Texas was mediocre if you use the same standards.
True.
Texas was slightly above avg in the 80's and extremely mediocre in the 90's. They were a top 5 program by wins despite that, but still could have been seen as mediocre at the time. Good point.
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How do you figure that?
Conferences negotiate their television contracts based on what projected viewership will be. Bigger T.V. contracts mean bigger individual payouts to each school.
I honeslty believe the way this thing is headed, an arms race to get the biggest deal, more millions etc. is going to lead to every year being just like this one. NCAA scandals at the forefront of the news throughout college football. Cheating has always been a part of the culture but as you continue to turn this game into nothing more than big business (Which it already is) the stakes become higher and the need to out do the other guy becomes greater.
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I honeslty believe the way this thing is headed, an arms race to get the biggest deal, more millions etc. is going to lead to every year being just like this one. NCAA scandals at the forefront of the news throughout college football. Cheating has always been a part of the culture but as you continue to turn this game into nothing more than big business (Which it already is) the stakes become higher and the need to out do the other guy becomes greater.
I agree completely with this. Luckily we will still be at 12 teams when aTm comes in.
The updykes should have received the death penalty by that point.
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If it's all about the market, then to hell with the whole idea. College football in general is getting way out of control.
What the fuck do you think it's about?
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What the fuck do you think it's about?
I know what it's about. Stop being an butthole.
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I know what it's about. Stop being an butthole.
Liar liar pants on fire.
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Liar liar pants on fire.
Oh yeah? Says you.
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No to GT - with Dodd they fancied themselves the ND of the south, too good for a conference - they deserve no better than the acc
The last time the SEC expanded, they let in the ex-SWC alma mater of a governor knocking out a one-term president - I'm fine with aTm if history repeats
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Oh yeah? Says you.
Yo momma!
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Yo momma!
You and what army?
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Put aTm in the East, this year...they'd be playing uat in the SEC Championship Game, of course they'd get clobbered by uat, but that's beside the point.
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There is no secret that the major conferences are looking to become these super conferences. It's gonna happen, but it doesn't mean I have to like it.
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There is no secret that the major conferences are looking to become these super conferences. It's gonna happen, but it doesn't mean I have to like it.
Just like when the SEC expanded taking in SC and Ark...you'll get used to it, and it will soon seem normal.
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Just like when the SEC expanded taking in SC and Ark...you'll get used to it, and it will soon seem normal.
Before Spurrier got to SC and got them deccent, I could have cared less if they had left. Arky I like. But SC, I could still not give a rat's ass about. I would be the same way about Aggie.
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Before Spurrier got to SC and got them deccent, I could have cared less if they had left. Arky I like. But SC, I could still not give a rat's ass about. I would be the same way about Aggie.
Aggie is coming, my only question is who is coming with them.
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http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefootball/story/Texas-AM-reportedly-notifies-Big-12-it-will-withdraw-082911?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
Texas A&M reportedly will leave Big 12
COLLEGE STATION, Texas (AP)
Texas A&M has notified the Big 12 it will withdraw from the conference, according to a newspaper report.
The New York Times said in a story posted on its website Monday night that Texas A&M President R. Bowen Loftin sent a letter to Missouri Chancellor and Big 12 board chairman Brady Deaton to inform the league it was leaving. The report cited two unidentified college officials with direct knowledge of the decision.
University spokesman Jason Cook did not immediately respond to an email seeking comment late Monday night.
Texas A&M's departure would cast doubt on the future of the Big 12 and could lead to more major changes to college athletics.
The university said earlier Monday it had received a letter from Big 12 Commissioner Dan Beebe outlining the withdrawal procedure should the Aggies decide to leave the league.
Cook said the letter ''outlines the withdrawal procedures according to the financial provisions of the Big 12 bylaws and mutual waivers of legal claims.'' He wouldn't provide any other details of the letter or comment on what A&M's next step might be.
The Aggies are interested in joining the Southeastern Conference and the dueling letters come less than a week after they formally told Beebe they are exploring their options and asked for the conference to outline the process if they decide to leave. The league's board of directors addressed the possible departure of the Aggies this weekend.
''I certainly appreciate the discussion among the Big 12 presidents/chancellors and the expression of their desire for Texas A&M to remain in the conference,'' Loftin said in a statement issued before The New York Times report. ''We all agree that Texas A&M is an extremely valuable institution; thus, it is incumbent upon me, as the president of the university, to ensure that we are in a position to enhance our national visibility and future financial opportunity.''
Loftin added this is a ''complex and long-term decision,'' but ''it is not our intent to prolong our conference exploration for an extended period of time.''
The SEC said earlier this month it was happy with its current 12-school membership but left the door open to expansion. Loftin then received authority from the board of regents to take any action he deems necessary in terms of realignment.
There is concern that a departure by the Aggies could jeopardize the future of the Big 12, which is down to 10 teams after Nebraska (Big Ten) and Colorado (Pac-12) left the league last July. Loftin has said the Aggies would consider how their departure would impact the future of Big 12 before any decision is made.
The Big 12 would need to find a team to replace the Aggies if they exit the conference and there has been a lot of speculation about possible schools. So far, the only school to publicly express interest in moving to the Big 12 is SMU. Athletic director Steve Orsini said he's had informal talks with Big 12 officials for some time to inform them of the school's improvements and growth.
In the letter Loftin sent to the Big 12 last week, he said if the Aggies leave, they would want to do it in a manner that complies with league bylaws. He also has said financial concerns will factor into any decision to leave; the school likely would face an exit fee.
The Big 12, including Texas A&M, agreed to a 13-year television deal with Fox Sports in April worth more than $1 billion. There is a chance the contract could be voided if the Aggies leave the conference, which could lead to legal issues for Texas A&M and its new league.
The Big 12 declined to comment on Monday's letter.
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But, but, but...where will they go?
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Expansion is going to happen. I don't necessarily like it, but it is. The SEC is trying to be proactive in the markets that they can get. If/when A&M joins, the SEC will have a huge market in Texas. Huge. Dallas, Houston, and San Antonio now become marketing areas for the SEC. Hell, Houston itself is the 4th largest city in the US...the market power this could generate would be HUGE.
At this point, even if the SEC doesn't invite any other teams, it stakes our claim to Texas. What we do with the new market at that point is anyone's guess. I for one am excited about the possibility.
And another thing, A&M absolutely does NOT bring the SEC's credibility down. A&M is a HUGE name HUGE. Any type of college football's "tradition" lists have A&M in the Top 20 somewhere if not the Top 10. FSU, Clemson, whoever...will be easy to take in once the Super conferences start aligning. However, A&M and the Texas market would not be if we wait. It is better to be proactive instead of reactive and get left out in the cold.
And I get to watch an away game with only a 3 hour trip...And hear SEC sports talk here locally!
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Expansion is going to happen. I don't necessarily like it, but it is. The SEC is trying to be proactive in the markets that they can get. If/when A&M joins, the SEC will have a huge market in Texas. Huge. Dallas, Houston, and San Antonio now become marketing areas for the SEC. Hell, Houston itself is the 4th largest city in the US...the market power this could generate would be HUGE.
At this point, even if the SEC doesn't invite any other teams, it stakes our claim to Texas. What we do with the new market at that point is anyone's guess. I for one am excited about the possibility.
And another thing, A&M absolutely does NOT bring the SEC's credibility down. A&M is a HUGE name HUGE. Any type of college football's "tradition" lists have A&M in the Top 20 somewhere if not the Top 10. FSU, Clemson, whoever...will be easy to take in once the Super conferences start aligning. However, A&M and the Texas market would not be if we wait. It is better to be proactive instead of reactive and get left out in the cold.
^^^This
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Expansion is going to happen. I don't necessarily like it, but it is. The SEC is trying to be proactive in the markets that they can get. If/when A&M joins, the SEC will have a huge market in Texas. Huge. Dallas, Houston, and San Antonio now become marketing areas for the SEC. Hell, Houston itself is the 4th largest city in the US...the market power this could generate would be HUGE.
At this point, even if the SEC doesn't invite any other teams, it stakes our claim to Texas. What we do with the new market at that point is anyone's guess. I for one am excited about the possibility.
And another thing, A&M absolutely does NOT bring the SEC's credibility down. A&M is a HUGE name HUGE. Any type of college football's "tradition" lists have A&M in the Top 20 somewhere if not the Top 10. FSU, Clemson, whoever...will be easy to take in once the Super conferences start aligning. However, A&M and the Texas market would not be if we wait. It is better to be proactive instead of reactive and get left out in the cold.
And I get to watch an away game with only a 3 hour trip...And hear SEC sports talk here locally!
So, you're saying this is HUGE?
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So, you're saying this is HUGE?
:fu:
I knew that shit was coming after I reread it. I was waiting for that, something about being verbose, or tl;dr.
I make some damn good points though...damnit.
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Just saw an article about the Aggs leaving the Big 12. Here are a few stats that were included in the article that proves my point that this could potentially be a good thing for the SEC:
Texas A&M at a glance
* Located in College Station, Texas.
* Home to more than 49,000 students, ranking as the sixth-largest university in the country, with more than 360,000 former students worldwide.
* Holds membership in the prestigious Association of American Universities, one of only 63 institutions with this distinction.
* Has an endowment valued at more than $5 billion, which ranks fourth among U.S. public universities and 10th overall.
* Conducts research valued at more than $630 million annually, placing it among the top 20 universities nationally and third behind only MIT and the University of California at Berkeley for universities without medical schools.
* Recognized as Home of the 12th Man, where students stand during football games to show support for the team ? and for fellow Aggies ? a personification of the Aggie Spirit.
* Corps of Cadets is recognized among the nation's largest uniformed student bodies at more than 2,000 strong. Texas A&M commissions more officers than any other institution outside of the nation's service academies.
* Named second in the nation by The Wall Street Journal among all universities, public and private, in a survey of top U.S. corporations, non-profits and government agencies, based on graduates that recruiters prefer to hire.
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I think money-wise, it's a good move if your sole intent is to become bigger, better and stronger in the $$$ department. I hate it but understand the thinking. Just not a fan of the Faggies and my fear is that we'll wind up with two schools I want the least...A&M and VT. I fucking HATE Virginia Tech and who on earth was allowed to do shrooms while picking the school colors? Some shade of purple/maroon/brown whatever and orange....sort of.
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I think money-wise, it's a good move if your sole intent is to become bigger, better and stronger in the $$$ department. I hate it but understand the thinking. Just not a fan of the Faggies and my fear is that we'll wind up with two schools I want the least...A&M and VT. I fucking HATE Virginia Tech and who on earth was allowed to do shrooms while picking the school colors? Some shade of purple/maroon/brown whatever and orange....sort of.
I would be pissed too about VT. I can see the Aggies, but what is the reasoning behind VT? What do they bring?
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I would be pissed too about VT. I can see the Aggies, but what is the reasoning behind VT? What do they bring?
The beltway tv market.
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The beltway tv market.
And some kickass special teams play.
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And some kickass special teams play.
Goiterball
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Goiterball
Sick humor - Yer doin' it right
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The Louisiana State Police had received numerous reports of illegal cockfights being held in the area
around Abbeville and had sent their famous Detective Boudreaux from Thibodeaux to investigate.
Boudreaux promptly began his investigation and then reported to his Commander the next morning.
"Dey is tree main groups involve in dis rooster Fightin", he began.
"Good work! Who are they?" the Commander asked.
Boudreaux replied confidently, "De Texas Aggies, de local Cajuns, and de Mafia from N'awlins".
Puzzled, the Commander asked, "Now Boudreaux, how did you find all that out in one night?"
"Well," he replied, "I went down and done seen dat rooster fight in person. And I knowed immedjiately dat dem Aggies was involved when a Duck was entered in the fight."
The Commander nodded, "I'll buy that. But what about the others?"
Boudreaux nodded knowingly, "Well, I knowed de Cajuns was involved when sum body bet on de duck!"
"Ah, I see, I see....." sighed the sergeant, "And how did you figure the Mafia was involved?"h
"De duck won!"
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Something that doesn't really mean much but. The fans travel well and are fun to be around. I have been to a few game in College station, they treat the visiting fans with respect and have a good time.
UT on the other hand is Turd west.
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Something that doesn't really mean much but. The fans travel well and are fun to be around. I have been to a few game in College station, they treat the visiting fans with respect and have a good time.
UT on the other hand is Turd west.
I have been told that if this does happen, that I need to make a trip to College Station. The guy told me that it was one of the best atmospheres he has been around.
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http://content.usatoday.com/communities/campusrivalry/post/2011/09/texas-a38m-accepts-southeastern-conference-with-condition/1
Supposedly Baylor is gonna try to sue to impeded it.
Southeastern Conference accepts Texas A&M with condition
By Thomas O'Toole, USA TODAY
It's official -- almost. An anticipated rubber-stamp vote by Southeastern Conference presidents to accept Texas A&M as a member turned into conditional approval late Tuesday night when word surfaced of possible legal action by a Big 12 member.
In a statement released Wednesday morning, the league said it unanimously approved A&M's application but under the condition that the remaining Big 12 schools offer no roadblocks to the Aggies departure.
The SEC release said it was assured in a Sept. 2 letter that all Big 12 schools condoned the A&M move. But then on Tuesday, the SEC said it found out one Big 12 school had withdrawn its approval, leaving the SEC to say the Aggies would be approved "upon receiving acceptable reconfirmation that the Big 12 and its members have reaffirmed the letter dated September 2, 2011."
The SEC did not name the school. The Dallas Morning News reported that Big 12 member Baylor was considering some sort of legal action.
The statement from Florida president Dr. Bernie Machen, chair of the SEC's presidents and chancellors:
"After receiving unanimous written assurance from the Big 12 on September 2 that the Southeastern Conference was free to accept Texas A&M to join as a new member, the presidents and chancellors of the SEC met last night with the intention of accepting the application of Texas A&M to be the newest member of the SEC. We were notified yesterday afternoon that at least one Big 12 institution had withdrawn its previous consent and was considering legal action. The SEC has stated that to consider an institution for membership, there must be no contractual hindrances to its departure. The SEC voted unanimously to accept Texas A&M University as a member upon receiving acceptable reconfirmation that the Big 12 and its members have reaffirmed the letter dated September 2, 2011."
The announcement keeps a three-month chapter alive in the ongoing drama of major conference realignment. And there could be more to come. Assuming the A&M situation is settled, it would give the SEC 13 teams and an unbalance in its two-division format. It would seem the league would add a 14th at some point. So far, the league has said it is in no hurry on further expansion. Schools in the region who would seem attractive choices, like Clemson and Virginia Tech, have insisted they re staying in the Atlantic Coast Conference. Florida State, another ACC member, has only said it is happy in the league and has had no talks with the SEC.
Missouri has been mentioned as a possible addition. It would give Arkansas a relatively close opponent and allow the SEC to expand into the Kansas City and St. Louis markets, much like A&M takes the league into the talent-rich state of Texas. But so far Missouri has said it would remain in the Big 12. The other question, though, is whether the Big 12 will survive. Oklahoma president David Boren said last week the school will soon decide if it will leave, likely for the Pac-12, and Oklahoma State would be expected to follow.
A&M has been a member of the Big 12 since it combined members of the Southwest and Big Eight conferences in the mid-1990s. Last year, Nebraska and Colorado left. A&M's departure leaves the league with nine teams. The Salt Lake Tribune reported recently that Big 12 officials have talked with Brigham Young, which is playing this year as an independent in football with other sports in the West Coast Conference.
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http://content.usatoday.com/communities/campusrivalry/post/2011/09/texas-a38m-accepts-southeastern-conference-with-condition/1
Will Baylor be using the services of Glennon Threatt?
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Will Baylor be using the services of Glennon Threatt?
Hellz yeeeeah!
(http://www2.wrbl.com/mgmedia/image/500/0/208753/threatt-latest-attorney-represent-updyke/)
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I mean, he apparently likes to represent highly unpopular lost causes that involve college football and all, so I figured he's their guy.
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Sounds like the Big 12 called aTm's bluff.......but they weren't bluffing. Now the Big 12 has to scramble and call in some favors. If Oklahoma does in fact leave as well, that's it for the Big 12. Game over.
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So this draws in the TX TV market. The SEC's TV deal is up for renegotiation, correct?
Who would be the second team to join and if it's someone like a Mizzou, does this mean that the conference divisions are going to be realigned?
If you take A&M and say a GT you place one in the West and the other in the East and it stays the same. You take two teams from out West then you either have to realign the divisions or take two other teams for the East. Right?
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So this draws in the TX TV market. The SEC's TV deal is up for renegotiation, correct?
Who would be the second team to join and if it's someone like a Mizzou, does this mean that the conference divisions are going to be realigned?
If you take A&M and say a GT you place one in the West and the other in the East and it stays the same. You take two teams from out West then you either have to realign the divisions or take two other teams for the East. Right?
I would imagine any realignment would send us to the East. After all the discussion on the reasons for A&M and the TV market, I get it. There has to be a team that makes more sense geographically and who will hit just as big a market as Mizzou. I want them about as much as I'd want to see Middle Tennessee.
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I would imagine any realignment would send us to the East. After all the discussion on the reasons for A&M and the TV market, I get it. There has to be a team that makes more sense geographically and who will hit just as big a market as Mizzou. I want them about as much as I'd want to see Middle Tennessee.
Agreed. Mizzou is a shit choice.
I think I'd like to see VT. Supposedly in this agreement that went down yesterday, Georgia vetoed GT, UF vetoed FSU, Kentucky vetoed Louisville, and South Carolina vetoed Clemson. Could just be rumors, but I read it on Twitter or something.
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Agreed. Mizzou is a shit choice.
I think I'd like to see VT. Supposedly in this agreement that went down yesterday, Georgia vetoed GT, UF vetoed FSU, Kentucky vetoed Louisville, and South Carolina vetoed Clemson. Could just be rumors, but I read it on Twitter or something.
Can we veto Bama and send them to Conference USA?
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My problem with this is the possibility of realignment. If we move to the east then bama is our tie in game and then we start to rotate LSU, MSU, ARK....etc...etc.. in an out every two years. That is if they go with 14 teams. Now if they go get two teams from the west and two from the east and we get 16 teams then everyone else will follow suit and we will have what, 4 super conferences? Not excited about that at all.
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My problem with this is the possibility of realignment. If we move to the east then bama is our tie in game and then we start to rotate LSU, MSU, ARK....etc...etc.. in an out every two years. That is if they go with 14 teams. Now if they go get two teams from the west and two from the east and we get 16 teams then everyone else will follow suit and we will have what, 4 super conferences? Not excited about that at all.
When we went to two divisions, I'd have preferred the east to maintain the UF and UGA rivalries. LSU wasn't that big a rivalry then, at least not in my mind. However, it is now. That said, I don't think they're going to realign the current SEC teams.
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When we went to two divisions, I'd have preferred the east to maintain the UF and UGA rivalries. LSU wasn't that big a rivalry then, at least not in my mind. However, it is now. That said, I don't think they're going to realign the current SEC teams.
True, back in the day we played UT, UF, UGA and bammer every year with LSU about every two or three years it seemed. Those were some damn good football days. The reason I would hate to lose LSU is b/c I hate them almost as bad as bammer. To me it's bammer, LSU and then everyone else. I like what that rivalry has become in recent years.
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True, back in the day we played UT, UF, UGA and bammer every year with LSU about every two or three years it seemed. Those were some damn good football days. The reason I would hate to lose LSU is b/c I hate them almost as bad as bammer. To me it's bammer, LSU and then everyone else. I like what that rivalry has become in recent years.
I meant to include UT in with UGA and UF. Loved that early season big game. But I agree, I'd hate to lose the LSU game every year.
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Can we veto Bama and send them to Conference USA?
I know Vito...well, I KNEW Vito. Good guy. Until he decided to suck dick.
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Done deal according to.....Joe Schad. So I put the chances of it happening at around 10-12%.
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/6939017/texas-aggies-accepted-sec-legal-threat-delays-move
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Done deal according to.....Joe Schad. So I put the chances of it happening at around 10-12%.
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/6939017/texas-aggies-accepted-sec-legal-threat-delays-move
10-12% is a little high for Schad. I'd say more like 1-2%.
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Back from lunch. Gonna' grab a magazine and go take a huge Schad.
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Back from lunch. Gonna' grab a magazine and go take a huge Schad.
Come to think of it I have a Thayer playing peek-a-boo.
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Come to think of it I have a Thayer playing peek-a-boo.
Thayer be prarie doggin'
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If we move to the east then bama is our tie in game and then we start to rotate LSU, MSU, ARK....etc...etc..
But then Bama would lose it's UT game. Token, RWS, how would you feel about that?
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But then Bama would lose it's UT game. Token, RWS, how would you feel about that?
UT is their biggest rival anyway.
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UT is their biggest rival anyway.
Well they can just drop Vandy then.
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UT is their biggest rival anyway.
They really don't even think about us much.
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They really don't even think about us much.
We're irrelevant. Perennial .500 program.
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"Bad Baylor. Bad."
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The obvious answer here is the SEC will pick up a school to fit in the East division. No way will any current SEC schools agree to bust any long traditions. Bama ain't going without Auburn and Tennessee. Way too much money in those games. But honestly, would it be so bad if Auburn was moved to the east and only played Bama during rotating years? I don't want to see it, but I believe many in this state need a break from the series. Plus, it would be friggin sweet for Bama and Auburn to meet in the SEC championship game.
Also, since it's going to happen, I think A&M is a good fit. They have a history with LSU and Arkansas, so it's not like we're bringing in a school who's rarely played SEC teams in the past.
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The obvious answer here is the SEC will pick up a school to fit in the East division. No way will any current SEC schools agree to bust any long traditions. Bama ain't going without Auburn and Tennessee. Way too much money in those games. But honestly, would it be so bad if Auburn was moved to the east and only played Bama during rotating years? I don't want to see it, but I believe many in this state need a break from the series. Plus, it would be friggin sweet for Bama and Auburn to meet in the SEC championship game.
Also, since it's going to happen, I think A&M is a good fit. They have a history with LSU and Arkansas, so it's not like we're bringing in a school who's rarely played SEC teams in the past.
This....all of it. I would hate losing the yearly Iron Bowl too but damn, it's getting more out of hand every year. And what would the ATL be like if these two met for the marbles?
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And what would the ATL be like if these two met for the marbles?
(http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/9546/alabamavsauburnsecchamp.jpg)
That is what it would look like.
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A small X
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A small X
It werks fer me?
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It werks fer me?
So is the A&M move on hold, dead in the water or what? Was listening to Finebaum and this guest of his named Billy Lucci comes on weekly and says absolutely nothing on the subject that one can't get from ESPN updates.
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So is the A&M move on hold, dead in the water or what? Was listening to Finebaum and this guest of his named Billy Lucci comes on weekly and says absolutely nothing on the subject that one can't get from ESPN updates.
The Big 12 commissioner told the SEC that they'd have to get waivers from each individual school, and that he "regrets" having initially told them that they were free to accept A&M.
The SEC hasn't issued any statements, and probably won't for a day or two, so there's no update to my knowledge.
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Beebee told Slive that the SEC didn't need waivers from the Big 12-2 Institutions and that they could accept aTm into the SEC without lawsuits from the other schools...then about a week later said that he made a mistake and that they did need the okay from each individual institution. Now Baylor, Kansas, Kansas State and I think Iowa State are looking to sue the SEC if the deal goes through (notice anything about those schools looking to sue...they all suck and just rake in Big 12 $$$ without contributing much.) I say, sue the SEC...the Big 12 Commish already stated that it was okay to accept them. Oh yeah, Beebee emailed the SEC his mistake the night of their voting...last night.
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Why would it not be possible for Auburn to move to the East, and the SEC make the rule change to 2 historical rivalries. We would gain old rivals Florida and Tenn. Play UGA every year since they would be in our division. We could have Bama as yearly rival and pick another team my pick LSU.
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I say, sue the SEC...the Big 12 Commish already stated that it was okay to accept them. Oh yeah, Beebee emailed the SEC his mistake the night of their voting...last night.
Well, it's not clear that the SEC would win in such a lawsuit. Sure, they had a letter from Beebe which indicated that they were free to accept A&M. But, the question is whether Beebe has the authority to speak or act on behalf of the universities.
Based upon the fact that he is now stating that the SEC needs waivers from each individual school, then I'm assuming each university's contractual relationship with the Big 12 and Beebe does not allow the Big 12 or Beebe to speak for the universities on some issues, such as whether they will waive their right to legal action.
So, essentially, the SEC would have a letter from Beebe, and the SEC would argue that this was a contractual agreement. However, without the authority to act as an agent on behalf of each university, Beebe's "agreement" with the SEC can not be enforced by a court of law.
Of course, all of this is conjecture about the actual terms of the Big 12's agreement with its member universities. Beebe may very well be able to waive the universities' right to sue under their contractual relationship, but I doubt it given Baylor's actions and Beebe's response.
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Well, it's not clear that the SEC would win in such a lawsuit. Sure, they had a letter from Beebe which indicated that they were free to accept A&M. But, the question is whether Beebe has the authority to speak or act on behalf of the universities.
Based upon the fact that he is now stating that the SEC needs waivers from each individual school, then I'm assuming each university's contractual relationship with the Big 12 and Beebe does not allow the Big 12 or Beebe to speak for the universities on some issues, such as whether they will waive their right to legal action.
So, essentially, the SEC would have a letter from Beebe, and the SEC would argue that this was a contractual agreement. However, without the authority to act as an agent on behalf of each university, Beebe's "agreement" with the SEC can not be enforced by a court of law.
Of course, all of this is conjecture about the actual terms of the Big 12's agreement with its member universities. Beebe may very well be able to waive the universities' right to sue under their contractual relationship, but I doubt it given Baylor's actions and Beebe's response.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPF_XnXXrPI
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Thx VV, the Mr. Bigg clip cleared it all up for me.
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Well, it's not clear that the SEC would win in such a lawsuit. Sure, they had a letter from Beebe which indicated that they were free to accept A&M. But, the question is whether Beebe has the authority to speak or act on behalf of the universities.
I'd say that the SEC has a pretty strong "apparent authority" defense. One would be reasonably justified in relying upon the statement of the commissioner of the conference. Estoppel FTW!
The commissioner should know what's what before he opens his dirty whore mouth.
All that said: keep the fAggies in Texas. I like my conference just the way it is.
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I'd say that the SEC has a pretty strong "apparent authority" defense. One would be reasonably justified in relying upon the statement of the commissioner of the conference. Estoppel FTW!
The commissioner should know what's what before he opens his dirty whore mouth.
All that said: keep the fAggies in Texas. I like my conference just the way it is.
Here hear
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Here hear
Hu-rumf
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http://www.star-telegram.com/2011/09/07/3345246/sooners-finally-lower-the-boom.html
Sooners finally lower the boom
When do the Longhorn jokes start?
Got a $300 million network, except there's one thing missing.
TV stations.
As a college power broker, Bevo has the biggest biceps in the land.
Except a Sooner stepped up and flexed up this week, asking the Longhorn, "your guns or mine?"
The Longhorn quickly changed into a long-sleeve shirt.
The unraveling of what once was a rather proud Big 12 Conference is not a happy time, yet, I've got to admit, with each breaking news day, comes a chuckle.
When Texas A&M made the decision it no longer wanted to be tied to Bevo's tail, without a doubt there was an orchestrated Aggie joke campaign coming from the vicinity of Austin.
The cry-baby Aggies have cut-and-run. Run right into the busy SEC intersection, where they will die a slow 5-and-7 death for ever more in football.
Nobody leaves Mother Bevo, not in this state, and lives to tell about it.
And, oh, by the way, sniffed Bevo. We just won't play the Aggies anymore, either.
Then on Wednesday, the biggest conference houseboy for the Longhorns, those Baylor Bears, was among several Bevo Nine schools (Iowa State also admitted it) that refused to sign a legal waiver with the SEC over A&M leaving, meaning a delay for now in the Aggies and the SEC making it official.
Hmmm. Nearly 20 years ago, when the Bears were waving bye-bye, did TCU sue Baylor? Did SMU? Rice? Houston?
Baylor, playing the weasel here after coming off its finest football hour in like 40 years, has constantly cried out to daddy, Daddy DeLoss in Austin, to save it from an uncertain fate should the staggering Big 12 finally crumble. But this latest move is real sad and real cheap, although if you dust for fingerprints it'd be interesting to see who is spurring on poor Baylor.
It was just last Friday when there was no problem from Baylor or any other Bevo Nine school over the Aggies leaving. In fact, those schools told us the Bevo boys would soldier on, better than ever, without the dirty Aggies.
What changed all of a sudden? Easy answer. The University of Oklahoma finally spoke up, that's what changed.
No one can blame the University of Texas for having power and using power. That's what people with power do. They use it.
Except be careful who you continue to push around.
Or as the "owner" of Oklahoma State, Mr. T. Boone Pickens, said the other day, and I paraphrase, it's hard to keep saying "aaaaah" when it's constantly being shoved down your throat.
Right or wrong, the Aggies see leaving for the SEC as a great alternative to being used as another of the Longhorns many patsies in the remnants of the conference that was ruled by Daddy DeLoss in Austin.
Still, the Aggies couldn't bring Texas to its knees.
No one around here could, with the exception of ...
Hello, Norman.
I'll be darn, after 15 months of me constantly asking, "where are the Sooners in all this?" the Boomers suddenly spoke up and dropped a boom heard 'round the land.
Is that you, Mr. Dodds, now down there on bended knee?
Since the first go-around a summer ago, when the Big 12 appeared to be dead, Oklahoma had remained strangely quiet, seemingly tied to the Longhorns in an unmanly kind of way.
Don't know if the Sooners had a plan all along, or suddenly had just had enough, but when the Okie words started flying over the weekend, it was a direct hit right to the Bevo gut. It panicked everybody, especially Baylor.
The big dagger came Tuesday from coach Bob Stoops, and I don't think for a second that he meant it, but he did say that if Oklahoma moves along to the Pac-12, and if Texas isn't involved in the move, then the annual Red River crossing may not happen again in Dallas.
If not, Stoops countered-punched, then it's no big deal. Boom, boom go the Sooners. (But watch it, Bob. Baylor may sue you next.)
Oklahoma, the message implied, is going, Oklahoma State is coming along, and, good luck, Longhorns with whatever you decide to do.
Texas, of course, would go to the Pac-12 in a hurry, and were going that way a year ago until Texas A&M balked at the move, destroying the exit, but the Longhorns now have an additional problem.
The Pac-12 won't accept the Longhorn Network under its current programming of all UT stuff all the time. Bring in Texas Tech and call it a regional network, or even include Oklahoma and Oklahoma State in the regional concept, and that's acceptable to the Pac-12 by-laws. Except ...
Not so sure ESPN had Lubbock or Norman or Stillwater in mind when it agreed to the $300 mil deal with DeLoss.
But what Oklahoma has pulled is the ultimate power play. They have out-bicep-ed the Longhorn muscle.
Your choice, Bevo. You can stay with OU, or stay with your network? DeLoss Dodds, the Horns' AD, no longer drives the bus. Bob Stoops does. As the Sooners talk tough, DeLoss hasn't even been heard from lately. The dying conference is no longer the Bevo Nine. It's the Boomer Nine. Only Oklahoma can save it. Does Oklahoma want to save it?
Longhorn bluster once centered on a third option -- going independent, a la Notre Dame.
Two words on that bluster: No way. Way too many headaches involved.
The Sooners, meanwhile, waited and waited to flex up, waited so long I was wondering if they had gone toothless up there.
But then they dropped the boomer over the weekend, and did it again this week. Well played, Oklahoma.
Except for the fact Texas A&M is long gone to the SEC, and Baylor can't stop that with a frivolous legal play, no one knows how this eventually ends.
But this we do know at the moment:
The joke's on you, Bevo.
Read more: http://www.star-telegram.com/2011/09/07/3345246/sooners-finally-lower-the-boom.html#ixzz1XN6L2wu1
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Welcome to C-USA, Bears.
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Welcome to C-USA, Bears.
Let's see....Baylor, Rice, TCU, SMU...all schools with a religious affiliation. Add in Houston, maybe Southern Miss, La. Tech and oohh say, Arkansas St. Damn, the thought of a super conference like that gives me chills.
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I'd say that the SEC has a pretty strong "apparent authority" defense. One would be reasonably justified in relying upon the statement of the commissioner of the conference. Estoppel FTW!
The commissioner should know what's what before he opens his dirty whore mouth.
All that said: keep the fAggies in Texas. I like my conference just the way it is.
Sure, but you have to rely upon the apparent authority, which means the SEC would need to actually act and uphold its end of the "contract."
However, I think it's too late for that. How are you going to claim apparent authority when the commissioner has retracted his previous offer and has informed the SEC that he doesn't have the authority to speak on behalf of the universities?
Sure, if the SEC had accepted A&M and this was a done deal, and then Beebe, Baylor, and whoever else came back and said, "Sorry guys, we screwed up. We'll need A&M back now," then yeah, in that case you would have had actual reliance upon apparent authority.
But because the SEC did not actually rely upon Beebe's letter before he cleared things up, then I don't think that apparent authority would hold up as a defense.
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Well, it's not clear that the SEC would win in such a lawsuit. Sure, they had a letter from Beebe which indicated that they were free to accept A&M. But, the question is whether Beebe has the authority to speak or act on behalf of the universities.
Based upon the fact that he is now stating that the SEC needs waivers from each individual school, then I'm assuming each university's contractual relationship with the Big 12 and Beebe does not allow the Big 12 or Beebe to speak for the universities on some issues, such as whether they will waive their right to legal action.
So, essentially, the SEC would have a letter from Beebe, and the SEC would argue that this was a contractual agreement. However, without the authority to act as an agent on behalf of each university, Beebe's "agreement" with the SEC can not be enforced by a court of law.
Of course, all of this is conjecture about the actual terms of the Big 12's agreement with its member universities. Beebe may very well be able to waive the universities' right to sue under their contractual relationship, but I doubt it given Baylor's actions and Beebe's response.
The SEC isn't in a position to be successfully sued for anything here. The contract dispute is between aTm and Baylor/Big 12. And Baylor originally gave it's consent to aTm, then withdrew it. The SEC's offer was contingent on there not being any legal action, so I would assume it's been withdrawn until it's all worked out.
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The SEC isn't in a position to be successfully sued for anything here. The contract dispute is between aTm and Baylor/Big 12. And Baylor originally gave it's consent to aTm, then withdrew it. The SEC's offer was contingent on there not being any legal action, so I would assume it's been withdrawn until it's all worked out.
As of right now, no, the SEC can't be sued, because they haven't actually acted. My understanding is that they took a vote, but before they could make any agreements or even contact Beebe regarding their vote, Beebe contacted them and retracted his previous offer.
However, the posts to which I was responding implied that the Big 12 can go to hell, they already said we can accept A&M, so we should accept them and let them sue us. Should the SEC try to rely upon Beebe's previous offer and sign a contract with A&M, then the SEC could be sued for interference with contractual relations. If such a suit were to occur, then I don't think the apparent authority defense is going to work, as Beebe cleared up any confusion as to his ability to act as an agent for the universities before the SEC actually relied on his initial offer.
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My understanding is that having more than one lawyer fucks everything up.
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My understanding is that having more than one a lawyer fudges everything up.
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My understanding is that having more than one lawyer fucks everything up.
O.J. disagrees.
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My understanding is that having more than one a lawyer fucks everything up.
Casey Anthony disagrees.
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O.J. disagrees.
Damn, beat me to it!
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Message to Baylor.
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Message to Baylor.
(http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d58/saniflush/messagetobaylor.jpg)
If God is taking out billboards, then he's probably serious.
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Watched a good bit of the Okie State/Arizona game last night. BTW, OState might be pretty damn good. They had an interview with Okie States owner, T. Pickett Boone's Farm Pickens Tickle Pink, or whatever his name is. Old dude was all over the place but basically said A&M to the SEC may not happen and he thinks the Big 12 will stay together. But then he said OSU and Oklahoma are together and would be a package deal whatever happens.
I felt dumber for listening
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While going through some other boards I found these from the turmoil of last year.
Good shit and still pretty topical.
Here's the one where they're all cheerleaders:
http://www.maizenbrew.com/2010/6/4/1500646/the-rumormill-the-big-xii-to-pac
Every Day Should Be Saturday has a new funny one, Behind the Music-style, about the breakup of the Big 12:
http://www.everydayshouldbesaturday.com/2011/9/8/2412677/when-the-band-broke-up-the-oral-history-of-the-big-12