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Title: Trooper very upset with Auburn...
Post by: Townhallsavoy on December 11, 2010, 07:20:36 AM
...Junior High.

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Trooper Taylor's son at center of hairstyle lawsuit

Auburn Junior High ninth-grader Blaise Taylor, 14-year-old son of Auburn University assistant football coach Trooper Taylor, is suing the school system for the right to wear braided hair during junior varsity basketball games.

The oldest child of Trooper and Evelyn Taylor has had braids since the third grade. He has played basketball, football and baseball for different coaches at various schools and, until this year, “no coach has ever had a problem with his hair,” said Evelyn Taylor.

Three days before Blaise was to play his first JV game, Evelyn Taylor said Auburn High varsity basketball coach Frank Tolbert told her son he would not be allowed to play unless he cut his braids.

“I was in a state of shock and disbelief,” said Blaise. “I worked hard to make the team and make it through the cuts. I was really disappointed I wasn’t going to get to play with my teammates.

“I felt like I let them down. They were counting on me being there for them.”

Montgomery attorney Julian McPhillips filed suit Friday in U.S. District Court against the Auburn City Schools board of education, Tolbert, Superintendent Dr. Terry Jenkins, principal Dr. Todd Freeman and athletics director Clay McCall.

By excluding Blaise from the basketball team because of his hairstyle, the suit claims the coach and school personnel violated the First and 14th Amendments of the U.S. Constitution, which address freedom of speech and race discrimination, respectively.

“Braids are very important to me,” said Blaise. “Growing up, the people I looked up to, my role models, all had braids.”

McPhillips said the arbitrary rule to prohibit braids was simply an “old-fashioned” belief of an old coach. He said braided hair was not addressed in school policies or the school handbook.

But according to a letter from Rick Davidson, the Opelika attorney representing the Auburn school board, Tolbert has enforced a grooming policy since 1980 as a way of teaching players “the way they present themselves has a major impact on how other people perceive them and while not only competing athletically, but when attempting to gain employment and in other endeavors in the community.”

The letter also says Tolbert’s policy “applies to all players” and will be upheld throughout the current basketball season, as it has for the past 30 years.

The suit claims Tolbert, a black man, targets black players only, while allowing white players to play “even though their hair is long, blown out, unkempt and/or even gets in their own eyes, or the eyes of others.”

“I’m taking a stand not only for Blaise, but all the kids in Auburn with braids, twists, or dreads,” said Evelyn Taylor.

She said there was “no justification” for Tolbert’s rule of conformity, which has forced other players to conform or quit the team. Neither option was acceptable for her or Blaise.

 â€œThat’s not how we raised our children,” Evelyn Taylor said.

“For him, it’s a matter of identity, of pride,” said McPhillips.

“My son’s hair is pulled back and is not obstructing his vision,” added Evelyn Taylor. “It has nothing to do with the game of basketball.”

Since Blaise has missed four games so far, the suit asks the court to issue a temporary restraining order, allowing him to play without cutting his hair until a hearing can be set.

On Thursday, McCall deferred questions to Jenkins, who declined to comment. Freeman could not be reached for comment.

Staff writers Joe McAdory and Ed Enoch contributed to this report.

What do you all think about this situation? 

We had a similar problem at my work.  A kid with braids from Miami transferred to my school.  He wanted to play basketball, but out coaches have the same rule about hairstyles. 

Now our rule was a bit different because it wasn't a "braids" problem, but a hair length problem. 
Title: Re: Trooper very upset with Auburn...
Post by: The Prowler on December 11, 2010, 07:34:54 AM
I think it's a stupid coaches' "rule".
Title: Re: Trooper very upset with Auburn...
Post by: Plainsman94 on December 11, 2010, 07:48:33 AM
The PUBLIC high school I went to had a rule that a male's hair could not touch the collar of a Tshirt.  This was not in order to play sports, but they would not allow you to come to school if your hair was that long.

I don't have much of an issue with a rule like this to play an extracirricular sport, if you don't want to conform to the team's rules, go play AAU or something.  It would be different if they just started doing this at game time or if they had not been doing it for 30 years.  It's completely different when they will not let you come to school at all and then send the truancy officer to your house.

In the 80's when everyone had long hair, I had a real problem with my school's rule, but now I run a company and enforce dress and grooming standards on my employee's, but once again if they want to facial tattoos, dreadlocks, or piercing in their face - I'm fine with that, they just cannot work for my company.
Title: Re: Trooper very upset with Auburn...
Post by: GH2001 on December 11, 2010, 10:50:50 AM
Its dumb and they even admit its arbitrary. As long as it is not interfering with him or anyone playing with him (which it seems its not), then who cares. If Polamolu can sport that bush on his head that friggin whips people when he changes directions, then this kid is of no harm to anyone.
Title: Re: Trooper very upset with Auburn...
Post by: Token on December 11, 2010, 11:36:01 AM
Just another example of parents thinking everyone and everything should change to accommodate their preferences.  You guys won't blast him because he's an Auburn coach, I understand that, but it's bullshit that one person believes rules should be changed for their kid when the rule has been in effect for years. 
Title: Re: Trooper very upset with Auburn...
Post by: Townhallsavoy on December 11, 2010, 11:45:04 AM
Its dumb and they even admit its arbitrary. As long as it is not interfering with him or anyone playing with him (which it seems its not), then who cares. If Polamolu can sport that bush on his head that friggin whips people when he changes directions, then this kid is of no harm to anyone.

Is it dumb and arbitrary that I expect my students to come to class every day with a binder reserved only for English, and it must be divided into five sections? 

Because I got taken to the board two years ago because a parent thought I was being ridiculous asking them to have a binder just for my class.  She lost, but I was encouraged to not be so rigorous in my expectations for supplies for my class.  She'll win next time. 

A friend of mine was taken to the board last year because she took 5 points off of a test for students who weren't putting their names on the test.  It was a problem happening with multiple students every time she gave a test. The parent and subsequently the board said that putting a name on a test is not an assessment of the content learned, and therefore, she would have to give those 5 points back and never take points away again. 

A different issue - the board (state board) has ruled that students should not be expected to remediate outside of the classroom.  Too much of a hassle to the parents and what about those kids that don't have access to tutors?  Therefore, teachers can no longer expect students to get "extra" help from a tutor or from their teacher by showing up before or after class.  We've been told this year that we must incorporate intervention and remediation during the 50 minutes we have the students.  Research PST or BBSST plans in the state of Alabama.

As one with experience in the classroom, I can tell you one thing - this shit ain't working. 

Why do we have to constantly worry about being convenient to the parents and students?  If the coach doesn't want the kid to wear braids, then the kid shouldn't wear braids. 
Title: Re: Trooper very upset with Auburn...
Post by: Token on December 11, 2010, 12:19:00 PM
Is it dumb and arbitrary that I expect my students to come to class every day with a binder reserved only for English, and it must be divided into five sections? 

Because I got taken to the board two years ago because a parent thought I was being ridiculous asking them to have a binder just for my class.  She lost, but I was encouraged to not be so rigorous in my expectations for supplies for my class.  She'll win next time. 

A friend of mine was taken to the board last year because she took 5 points off of a test for students who weren't putting their names on the test.  It was a problem happening with multiple students every time she gave a test. The parent and subsequently the board said that putting a name on a test is not an assessment of the content learned, and therefore, she would have to give those 5 points back and never take points away again. 

A different issue - the board (state board) has ruled that students should not be expected to remediate outside of the classroom.  Too much of a hassle to the parents and what about those kids that don't have access to tutors?  Therefore, teachers can no longer expect students to get "extra" help from a tutor or from their teacher by showing up before or after class.  We've been told this year that we must incorporate intervention and remediation during the 50 minutes we have the students.  Research PST or BBSST plans in the state of Alabama.

As one with experience in the classroom, I can tell you one thing - this shit ain't working. 

Why do we have to constantly worry about being convenient to the parents and students?  If the coach doesn't want the kid to wear braids, then the kid shouldn't wear braids.

 :bar:
Title: Re: Trooper very upset with Auburn...
Post by: Aubie16 on December 11, 2010, 12:49:15 PM
Is it dumb and arbitrary that I expect my students to come to class every day with a binder reserved only for English, and it must be divided into five sections? 

Because I got taken to the board two years ago because a parent thought I was being ridiculous asking them to have a binder just for my class.  She lost, but I was encouraged to not be so rigorous in my expectations for supplies for my class.  She'll win next time. 

A friend of mine was taken to the board last year because she took 5 points off of a test for students who weren't putting their names on the test.  It was a problem happening with multiple students every time she gave a test. The parent and subsequently the board said that putting a name on a test is not an assessment of the content learned, and therefore, she would have to give those 5 points back and never take points away again. 

A different issue - the board (state board) has ruled that students should not be expected to remediate outside of the classroom.  Too much of a hassle to the parents and what about those kids that don't have access to tutors?  Therefore, teachers can no longer expect students to get "extra" help from a tutor or from their teacher by showing up before or after class.  We've been told this year that we must incorporate intervention and remediation during the 50 minutes we have the students.  Research PST or BBSST plans in the state of Alabama.

As one with experience in the classroom, I can tell you one thing - this shit ain't working. 

Why do we have to constantly worry about being convenient to the parents and students?  If the coach doesn't want the kid to wear braids, then the kid shouldn't wear braids.

I'm glad it's not just the school system I teach for that has stupid policies like the ones you mentioned above. It is unbelievably frustrating
Title: Re: Trooper very upset with Auburn...
Post by: RWS on December 11, 2010, 03:37:26 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Chizik and company talk about making their players keep a tidy haircut shortly after their arrival? Seems like I remember that being talked about.

Work requires me to have hair no longer than a certain length, no facial hair, etc. I knew that before I was hired. As Token said, its bullshit to expect the rules to be changed just for you. If you don't like their rules, don't play.
Title: Re: Trooper very upset with Auburn...
Post by: Tiger Wench on December 11, 2010, 04:05:27 PM
What about the part where the rules are not written down anywhere?  The kid goes through tryouts and makes the team and only THEN the coach says no braids? 

Also, braids are neat, meaning the hair is confined and does not interfere with anything or anyone else. Some white boy with longish hair and  bangs that get all sweaty and nasty  is better than a black guy with braids?

This is stupid. I get the whole five dividers in a binder thing- that is a teaching method. But the braids do not interfere with playing ball, so this coach is being a jerk.
Title: Re: Trooper very upset with Auburn...
Post by: Ranger12 on December 11, 2010, 04:16:53 PM
Sorry, but I have to disagree with the Taylors on this. Their son has a right to a free public eduction, but not a right to play sports. He tried out for the team and if he wants to play, then he has to go by the coach's rules. This coach is not the only high school coach in the country that has a rule about hair. A team is the coach's team and that needs to be respected.

Coach's rules like that have never been written down, so why all of a sudden must the be written on paper for them to be valid? When I played basketball, our coach did not allow long hair. The rule was not written down anywhere, but once you made the team, he let you know of the rule if you had long hair. He would even tell you it was time for a haircut if he thought it was getting too shaggy and would bench you if it was not taken care of. If you did not like it, then you can quit and then first guy cut is now on the team. Usually team rules are not even discussed until the team is set, so it is not odd for a player to not know all the rules until they have made the team.

If your hair is more important than playing, then as a coach, I don't know if I want him on the team to be quite honest with you. The kid talks about this rule letting down his team, but if you ask me, him making his hair more important is letting down the team. I would think as a coach, Trooper would understand the importance of coach's rules instead of thinking his son deserves some accommodation, so I admit I am a little disappointed in hearing this.
Title: Re: Trooper very upset with Auburn...
Post by: boartitz on December 11, 2010, 04:42:00 PM
Cut them off and have them tied back on after the season.
Title: Re: Trooper very upset with Auburn...
Post by: Token on December 11, 2010, 05:46:56 PM
Karma has a way of dealing with this. 

School system buckles due to the pressure of a BS lawsuit.  Coach retires because he actually has a back bone.  Teammates get pissed because their coach quits and refuses to play with the freshman.  Freshman is lucky if he doesn't get his ass kicked by other students and is ridiculed all through high school for calling mommy when he didn't get his way. 

Seriously, this exact story took place at Etowah High School when a set of parents caused the Great Raymond Farmer to retire. 
Title: Re: Trooper very upset with Auburn...
Post by: Townhallsavoy on December 11, 2010, 06:14:17 PM
Karma has a way of dealing with this. 

School system buckles due to the pressure of a BS lawsuit.  Coach retires because he actually has a back bone.  Teammates get pissed because their coach quits and refuses to play with the freshman.  Freshman is lucky if he doesn't get his ass kicked by other students and is ridiculed all through high school for calling mommy when he didn't get his way. 

Seriously, this exact story took place at Etowah High School when a set of parents caused the Great Raymond Farmer to retire.

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Title: Re: Trooper very upset with Auburn...
Post by: The Prowler on December 12, 2010, 03:04:31 AM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Chizik and company talk about making their players keep a tidy haircut shortly after their arrival? Seems like I remember that being talked about.
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Title: Re: Trooper very upset with Auburn...
Post by: GH2001 on December 12, 2010, 09:39:43 PM
Is it dumb and arbitrary that I expect my students to come to class every day with a binder reserved only for English, and it must be divided into five sections? 

Because I got taken to the board two years ago because a parent thought I was being ridiculous asking them to have a binder just for my class.  She lost, but I was encouraged to not be so rigorous in my expectations for supplies for my class.  She'll win next time. 

A friend of mine was taken to the board last year because she took 5 points off of a test for students who weren't putting their names on the test.  It was a problem happening with multiple students every time she gave a test. The parent and subsequently the board said that putting a name on a test is not an assessment of the content learned, and therefore, she would have to give those 5 points back and never take points away again. 

A different issue - the board (state board) has ruled that students should not be expected to remediate outside of the classroom.  Too much of a hassle to the parents and what about those kids that don't have access to tutors?  Therefore, teachers can no longer expect students to get "extra" help from a tutor or from their teacher by showing up before or after class.  We've been told this year that we must incorporate intervention and remediation during the 50 minutes we have the students.  Research PST or BBSST plans in the state of Alabama.

As one with experience in the classroom, I can tell you one thing - this shit ain't working. 

Why do we have to constantly worry about being convenient to the parents and students?  If the coach doesn't want the kid to wear braids, then the kid shouldn't wear braids.

You are comparing apples and oranges. Appearance vs something of function in the academic arena. What you require on a syllabus for a class is totally different than just personally not liking a guy's hairstyle. Very slippery slope here....Where would it stop? I dont like my players wearing white t shirts, nike shoes, jansport satchels, etc etc. While they are at it, no CK One allowed either. I dont like the smell. You can't govern your personal taste on someone else. As long as the kid's hair isnt against the personal attire rules, its of no issue.
Title: Re: Trooper very upset with Auburn...
Post by: RWS on December 12, 2010, 09:44:59 PM
I think some of the kids that tried out for the team and didn't make it should sue the school. Then, the kids that aren't getting as much playing time as the other kids should sue the school. I mean, where does this end?
Title: Re: Trooper very upset with Auburn...
Post by: CCTAU on December 12, 2010, 09:54:46 PM
Damn Allen Iverson!
Title: Re: Trooper very upset with Auburn...
Post by: Townhallsavoy on December 12, 2010, 09:54:56 PM
You are comparing apples and oranges. Appearance vs something of function in the academic arena. What you require on a syllabus for a class is totally different than just personally not liking a guy's hairstyle. Very slippery slope here....Where would it stop? I dont like my players wearing white t shirts, nike shoes, jansport satchels, etc etc. While they are at it, no CK One allowed either. I dont like the smell. You can't govern your personal taste on someone else. As long as the kid's hair isnt against the personal attire rules, its of no issue.

Our basketball coaches mandate that the players wear khakis, a dress shirt, and a tie on game days. 

If one of the players said, "No, I don't like those clothes.  I'm going to wear jeans and a white t," is the coach prohibited from issuing a punishment?
Title: Re: Trooper very upset with Auburn...
Post by: GH2001 on December 12, 2010, 10:02:09 PM
Our basketball coaches mandate that the players wear khakis, a dress shirt, and a tie on game days. 

If one of the players said, "No, I don't like those clothes.  I'm going to wear jeans and a white t," is the coach prohibited from issuing a punishment?

Gameday Protocol.
Title: Re: Trooper very upset with Auburn...
Post by: Token on December 12, 2010, 10:09:44 PM
You are comparing apples and oranges. Appearance vs something of function in the academic arena. What you require on a syllabus for a class is totally different than just personally not liking a guy's hairstyle. Very slippery slope here....Where would it stop? I dont like my players wearing white t shirts, nike shoes, jansport satchels, etc etc. While they are at it, no CK One allowed either. I dont like the smell. You can't govern your personal taste on someone else. As long as the kid's hair isnt against the personal attire rules, its of no issue.

Bullshit.  Rumor had it that Chizik wanted those helmets in a fucking row.  Was it against the rules of the University to not line their helmets up?  I doubt it.  But I guarantee you those helmets are lined up the way Chizik says and he doesn't get any lip about it.  Why? Because HE'S the head coach and those are his rules. 

Every coach I've ever played for had his "thing".  The things were always different, but they all represented the same teaching point.  You sacrifice something for the coach, or you won't play.  The guy has been coaching for 30 years.  He's had the rule in effect for all 30 years.  How many kids have sacrificed in the past to play for the guy?  My guess is hundreds, if not thousands.  And now this one kid comes through who's parents have a little money, and he has to change a staple in his 30 year coaching career?

It's fucking ridiculous. 
Title: Re: Trooper very upset with Auburn...
Post by: GH2001 on December 12, 2010, 10:15:50 PM
Bullshit.  Rumor had it that Chizik wanted those helmets in a fucking row.  Was it against the rules of the University to not line their helmets up?  I doubt it.  But I guarantee you those helmets are lined up the way Chizik says and he doesn't get any lip about it.  Why? Because HE'S the head coach and those are his rules. 

Every coach I've ever played for had his "thing".  The things were always different, but they all represented the same teaching point.  You sacrifice something for the coach, or you won't play.  The guy has been coaching for 30 years.  He's had the rule in effect for all 30 years.  How many kids have sacrificed in the past to play for the guy?  My guess is hundreds, if not thousands.  And now this one kid comes through who's parents have a little money, and he has to change a staple in his 30 year coaching career?

It's fucking ridiculous.

Helmets, pads, cleats, locker room - property of football team.

Hair, underwear, deodorant - property of YOU.

The stupid part is a fucking coach that is close minded enough to think he deems what kind of damn hairstyle is acceptable. Seriously? There are pre established school rules concerning a student or student athlete's attire. This is NOT one of them apparently. Its ARBITRARY.
Title: Re: Trooper very upset with Auburn...
Post by: Token on December 12, 2010, 10:32:13 PM
Helmets, pads, cleats, locker room - property of football team.

Hair, underwear, deodorant - property of YOU.

The stupid part is a fucking coach that is close minded enough to think he deems what kind of damn hairstyle is acceptable. Seriously? There are pre established school rules concerning a student or student athlete's attire. This is NOT one of them apparently. Its ARBITRARY.

On the contrary, the stupid part is one kid's parents would rather threaten a lawsuit against a board of education than let their child learn a valuable life lesson about sacrifice.  Sacrifice, after all, is the most important lesson in life. 

What are we teaching our children about the world when they never have to do anything they don't want to do?  What happens if little trooper wants to join the service when he leaves high school?  Is mommy going to sue the United States Marine Core when they take his hair down to the scalp?  Same with business.  What if he really wants a certain job, but can't get it because of his braids.  Mommy going to sue the business owner so he doesn't have to sacrifice? 

We obviously aren't going to agree here, and that's fine.  But it's a sad day when a board of education is sued because a 14 year old doesn't want to get a hair cut.  Especially when hair cut is only being mandated because of an extracurricular activity the 14 year old has opted to participate in.
Title: Re: Trooper very upset with Auburn...
Post by: Jumbo on December 13, 2010, 02:48:59 AM
On the contrary, the stupid part is one kid's parents would rather threaten a lawsuit against a board of education than let their child learn a valuable life lesson about sacrifice.  Sacrifice, after all, is the most important lesson in life. 

What are we teaching our children about the world when they never have to do anything they don't want to do?  What happens if little trooper wants to join the service when he leaves high school?  Is mommy going to sue the United States Marine Core when they take his hair down to the scalp?  Same with business.  What if he really wants a certain job, but can't get it because of his braids.  Mommy going to sue the business owner so he doesn't have to sacrifice? 

We obviously aren't going to agree here, and that's fine.  But it's a sad day when a board of education is sued because a 14 year old doesn't want to get a hair cut.  Especially when hair cut is only being mandated because of an extra curricular activity the 14 year old has opted to participate in.
I agree, cut your fucking hair and play or keep the hair and sit out.
Title: Re: Trooper very upset with Auburn...
Post by: CCTAU on December 13, 2010, 10:15:40 AM
Actually it is not even a haircut. If he were to change it to a fro, I think he'd be OK. It is the braids that are getting attention. And if these braids can be slung around and hit someone in the eye, why is this not also addressed as a safety issue? Why does a man want braided hair anyway? And what role model black man throughout history wore braids?

I really don't care as long as there is no safety issue and the individual presents themselves in a respectful clean manner.


And HELL yes, deodorant is the business of the school. Who wants to be around Johnny Depp all day?
Title: Re: Trooper very upset with Auburn...
Post by: Saniflush on December 13, 2010, 10:32:59 AM
And what role model black man throughout history wore braids?

Bob Marley.
Title: Re: Trooper very upset with Auburn...
Post by: Godfather on December 13, 2010, 10:52:56 AM
Bob Marley.
Dreadlocks and Braids are separate by definition.

I gots to agree with Token, basketball is a privilege not a right.  Disappointed with Trooper on this one.
Title: Re: Trooper very upset with Auburn...
Post by: Townhallsavoy on December 13, 2010, 10:53:10 AM
Helmets, pads, cleats, locker room - property of football team.

Hair, underwear, deodorant - property of YOU.

The stupid part is a fucking coach that is close minded enough to think he deems what kind of damn hairstyle is acceptable. Seriously? There are pre established school rules concerning a student or student athlete's attire. This is NOT one of them apparently. Its ARBITRARY.

The "gameday attire" is arbitrary. 

Asking the team to get together on Thursday nights for a team dinner, which helps establish team unity, is arbitrary. 

Asking the team to have personal conduct rules off the court is arbitrary.

And asking the team to have a hair style acceptable to the coach's liking is arbitrary.

You're absolutely right.  The rules can be describe as stupid, but it's the coach's prerogative.  And the players should respect the coach enough to go by his rules.  Just like Chizik telling our players to take their hats off in the athletic department.   

Token has hit on this enough - it's more ridiculous that our society is hell bent on being politically correct and catering to people's feelings. 
Title: Re: Trooper very upset with Auburn...
Post by: AUChizad on December 13, 2010, 11:17:00 AM
Are the white kids allowed to have hair down to their shoulders?

If not, then it's not racist, it's a team rule.

Also disappointed in Troop for this.
Title: Re: Trooper very upset with Auburn...
Post by: Tiger Wench on December 13, 2010, 11:40:59 AM
My point is that if the kid had the braids during tryouts, the coach should have made the point about his "unwritten rule" then, and now wait until the kid worked hard to make the team.

And the lawsuit mentions all the long messy hair of the white kids on the team - same deal.
Title: Re: Trooper very upset with Auburn...
Post by: Snaggletiger on December 13, 2010, 11:43:35 AM
What's all this fuss about grades?  And why would you want to cut someone's grades?  If a kid earns a good grade, he ought to be able to keep it.  And I didn't know Luper had a son.
Title: Re: Trooper very upset with Auburn...
Post by: AUTiger1 on December 13, 2010, 12:47:33 PM
I agree, cut your phuking hair and play or keep the hair and sit out.
Title: Re: Trooper very upset with Auburn...
Post by: Snaggletiger on December 13, 2010, 12:51:55 PM
Jumbo is harsh on teh hairs.
Title: Re: Trooper very upset with Auburn...
Post by: Townhallsavoy on December 13, 2010, 01:28:14 PM
My point is that if the kid had the braids during tryouts, the coach should have made the point about his "unwritten rule" then, and now wait until the kid worked hard to make the team.

And the lawsuit mentions all the long messy hair of the white kids on the team - same deal.

Of course the lawsuit mentions the white kids with long air.

"But, little Timmy says everyone else is talking during class!  Why is he being singled out?" 

Same ole dance and routine.  I pretty much have my script down in how to respond to these kinds of parents. 

It sucks that it's one of my favorite coaches thoguh.
Title: Re: Trooper very upset with Auburn...
Post by: Jumbo on December 13, 2010, 01:35:06 PM
Jumbo is harsh on teh hairs.
I got Lonhair and a pocket full of stone.
Title: Re: Trooper very upset with Auburn...
Post by: AUChizad on December 13, 2010, 01:38:20 PM
Of course the lawsuit mentions the white kids with long air.

"But, little Timmy says everyone else is talking during class!  Why is he being singled out?" 

Same ole dance and routine.  I pretty much have my script down in how to respond to these kinds of parents. 

It sucks that it's one of my favorite coaches thoguh.
Ok, if the white kids are allowed to have hair down to their shoulders, and the black kids aren't...then he has a case for that being racist.

I totally get a coach having team rules, as arbitrary and meaningless as the may be, for a team unity type of deal. I was on the basketball team in high school and had to keep a clean face and haircut. I get that.

If the white kids can have Lee Zeimba hair, but the black kids have to use a 1-guard?

The Taylors have a legitimate case.
Title: Re: Trooper very upset with Auburn...
Post by: Townhallsavoy on December 13, 2010, 01:39:53 PM
Ok, if the white kids are allowed to have hair down to their shoulders, and the black kids aren't...then he has a case for that being racist.

I totally get a coach having team rules, as arbitrary and meaningless as the may be, for a team unity type of deal. I was on the basketball team in high school and had to keep a clean face and haircut. I get that.

If the white kids can have Lee Zeimba hair, but the black kids have to use a 1-guard?

The Taylors have a legitimate case.

Sorry.  My point wasn't clear.

I'm willing to bet the white kids don't have long hair.  I could easily be wrong, and if the coach has a double standard, that's a completely different issue.
Title: Re: Trooper very upset with Auburn...
Post by: Snaggletiger on December 13, 2010, 01:46:31 PM
I've heard of dreadlocks...but shitlocks?

Agree with Chad here.  IF...there really are other kids allowed to sport the doo they want, then you can't single someone out just because you don't like braids...or fades.  Like everyone else, I played sports for coaches who had their own set of quirky rules and you followed them if you wanted to play.  I guess my biggest problem is what someone pointed out earlier, everyone should know going in what the rules are prior to trying out for the team.  The example of the military was used as well but you know full well going in that you will conform to certain standards and codes and if you don't want to be a part of that..don't join.
Title: Re: Trooper very upset with Auburn...
Post by: War Eagle!!! on December 13, 2010, 01:49:07 PM
I did what I wanted. Coached begged me to play. The kid must not be that good.
Title: Re: Trooper very upset with Auburn...
Post by: Snaggletiger on December 13, 2010, 01:50:39 PM
I did what I wanted. Coached begged me to play. The kid must not be that good.

I know someone who woulda' kicked yo ass.  You may have heard of him.
Title: Re: Trooper very upset with Auburn...
Post by: War Eagle!!! on December 13, 2010, 01:51:43 PM
I know someone who woulda' kicked yo ass.  You may have heard of him.

My pops was scared of me. I would kick that old mans ass...now that he is 65
Title: Re: Trooper very upset with Auburn...
Post by: Snaggletiger on December 13, 2010, 01:53:01 PM
My pops was scared of me. I would kick that old mans ass...now that he is 65

Yo daddy would hit you so hard, by the time you stopped rollin' your clothes would be out of style.
Title: Re: Trooper very upset with Auburn...
Post by: Saniflush on December 13, 2010, 01:56:54 PM
My pops was scared of me. I would kick that old mans ass...now that he is 65
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Am I gonna have to have a word with Charles Lee?
Title: Re: Trooper very upset with Auburn...
Post by: GH2001 on December 13, 2010, 01:57:21 PM


...if the coach has a double standard, that's a completely different issue.

This is something I was assuming as well. I also was reading "dreads" not "braids" for some reason without thinking there was a difference. With braids, CCT has a good point. That is a "little" different as it can pose a safety hazard, especially in Basketball. Not as much in football. Troy Polamalu gets on m last nerve to this day with that bush floating widely outside of his helmet.

BTW - I dont necessarily agree with bringing this to the level of a lawsuit and for that I disagree with Trooper. It seems there could be a compromise of sorts here. Maybe change it from braids to dreads on gameday or something. But I do think the coach is being a total stick in the mud and its a dumb rule. That was my overall point. I still think he is stupid for it being just arbitrary. I am picturing Principal Strickland from Back to the Future.
Title: Re: Trooper very upset with Auburn...
Post by: Snaggletiger on December 13, 2010, 01:59:11 PM
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Am I gonna have to have a word with Charles Lee?

Charles Lee would sink him like a 3 foot putt
Title: Re: Trooper very upset with Auburn...
Post by: Tiger Wench on December 13, 2010, 03:44:59 PM
This is something I was assuming as well. I also was reading "dreads" not "braids" for some reason without thinking there was a difference. With braids, CCT has a good point. That is a "little" different as it can pose a safety hazard, especially in Basketball. Not as much in football. Troy Polamalu gets on m last nerve to this day with that bush floating widely outside of his helmet.

Those little cornrowed braids that are tight to the head would be as safe as a buzzcut.  See the attached picture of the kid from the OA News.  There is zero safety issue there.

I think that is neat and tidy and see no problem.


Title: Re: Trooper very upset with Auburn...
Post by: Token on December 13, 2010, 04:59:25 PM
Those little cornrowed braids that are tight to the head would be as safe as a buzzcut.  See the attached picture of the kid from the OA News.  There is zero safety issue there.

I think that is neat and tidy and see no problem.

Didn't realize that was the hair style in question.  I now understand where the coach is coming from.  I wouldn't want those damn thugs on my team either.
Title: Re: Trooper very upset with Auburn...
Post by: Tiger Wench on December 13, 2010, 05:04:32 PM
How is that thug?  To me, "thug" is an attitude and one's actions, rather than appearance.  If the braids are the only thing about him that might identify him as a thug - if his shirts are tucked in and his pants are not at his knees and he doesn't have gold teeth and a massive rope chain - then someone is racially profiling. 

To me, a white guy shaving his head to the scalp could be equally and erroneously reflective of his beliefs - shaved heads automatically mean skinheads, right?  That is about as plausible as a black guy with braids being automatically called a thug.
Title: Re: Trooper very upset with Auburn...
Post by: Token on December 13, 2010, 05:07:38 PM
Racial profiling is 67% effective.  Who gives a shit about the rights of the other 33%?

And I was joshing. 
Title: Re: Trooper very upset with Auburn...
Post by: Tiger Wench on December 13, 2010, 05:17:44 PM
And I was joshing.

Can't ever tell with you jackbooted thugs.
Title: Re: Trooper very upset with Auburn...
Post by: CCTAU on December 13, 2010, 07:47:32 PM
Those little cornrowed braids that are tight to the head would be as safe as a buzzcut.  See the attached picture of the kid from the OA News.  There is zero safety issue there.

I think that is neat and tidy and see no problem.


That is cornrows. Braids hang free; Like the black Wendy that catches passes for bammer.
Title: Re: Trooper very upset with Auburn...
Post by: Tiger Wench on December 13, 2010, 10:48:39 PM
That picture is actually the kid in question - Trooper's kid.

Those are the braids in question.

And I see nothing wrong with them.
Title: Re: Trooper very upset with Auburn...
Post by: DnATL on December 13, 2010, 11:03:38 PM
I slap a bitch with my hair
Title: Re: Trooper very upset with Auburn...
Post by: CCTAU on December 14, 2010, 01:16:49 AM
I slap a bitch with my hair


Ahhhhh! Chief Slapahoe gonna have a sqaw?

I do not see an issue with hue cornrows as long as the back of the hair cannot be whipped around.


Once again, damn Allen Iverson.