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The Library => The SGA => Topic started by: Tarheel on March 14, 2008, 03:38:57 PM
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I like this guy's idea of taking Algore and his Global Warming alarmist friends to task in court. Then we would see some real debate over this psuedo-scientific fraud (just another excuse for another tax):
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,337710,00.html
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Do you actually know anyone over the age of 25 that is not a flaming liberal that actually believes all this global warming, carbon credit bullshit?
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Do you actually know anyone over the age of 25 that is not a flaming liberal that actually believes all this global warming, carbon credit bullshit?
Unfortunately, yes, I do...and, no, they are not (all) flaming liberals...I'd say they are just gullible especially since the Main Stream Media reports this Glow-Bull warming crap as if it is fact.
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Do you actually know anyone over the age of 25 that is not a flaming liberal that actually believes all this global warming, carbon credit bullshit?
Scientists?
Dammit guys, don't make me be the resident hippie just because I'm a right-leaning moderate, which makes me the farthest left here.
This place needs real hippies to argue with.
I'm not saying everyone should be driving solar powered cars and hugging trees, I'm just saying this is hard to argue with...
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f4/Instrumental_Temperature_Record.png)
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Compelling! Almost as much as this.
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Oh my god, it is 1/2 degree hotter now than it was 120 yaers ago. Holy shit we are going to fry from the inside out. This is typical of the Libs, in order to make that chart look alarming they spread the numbers way out and use miniscule measures to make the line look like it is on a drastic up tick. Do the same graph with 1 degree temperature variances and the line looks almost straight over the last 120 years.
You are going to have to come up with much more than this to convince me!!
Its a good thing we did away with the horse and buggy, sure was hot back in 1880. riddle me that one batman.
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I didn't say The Day After Tomorrow was accurate, and everyone should be on massive freakout mode. It's definitely gradual. If you spread out a chart with the number of PC's per household over the last 40 years just right, it would make a flat line too.
I'm just saying to act like there is no trend is denying fact. And to say that only crazy flaming liberals subscribe the idea that the climate is changing is also not true. For example, the scientists who actually devote their lives to studying and finding imperical evidence to deterimine whether or not it's happening...
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We had ice ages and warming trends way back before the burning of fossil fuels. The global temperature has always gone through cycles of cooling and warming. To think that we can do anything to cause or stop the warming/cooling is ridiculous. Do you blame the cavemen for the last ice age? who is to blame for warming the atmosphere to melt said ice?
The reason we have the global warming scare right now is simple....there a ton of people making shitloads of money off it!!!!!!!!!!!!
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The reason we have the global warming scare right now is simple....there a ton of people making shitloads of money off it!!!!!!!!!!!!
I may believe this statement if it had more exclamation marks...
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Trust me, if this board was full of hippies declaring the end is near and we all need to become vegetarians to cut down on carbon emissions and whatnot, I'd be the first to break out the Pirate chart.
I'm just playing devil's advocate here because we don't have any real liberals here to argue against those that think it's all 100% garbage based less in fact than the tooth fairy and that you have to be a barking lunatic to think it's an issue that warrants SOME concern.
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Trust me, if this board was full of hippies declaring the end is near and we all need to become vegetarians to cut down on carbon emissions and whatnot, I'd be the first to break out the Pirate chart.
I'm just playing devil's advocate here because we don't have any real liberals here to argue against those that think it's all 100% garbage based less in fact than the tooth fairy and that you have to be a barking lunatic to think it's an issue that warrants SOME concern.
I will be the first to label myself as a 'barking idiot". I'm pretty sure the crops will still grow and we can walk outside without frying for a few billion more years.
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I will be the first to label myself as a 'barking idiot". I'm pretty sure the crops will still grow and we can walk outside without frying for a few billion more years.
Reread what I said. I said you guys are the ones saying that anyone who DOES think there is SOME cause for concern are barking lunatics.
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OK good, that means I don't have to wear the label. Good to know.
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Its a good thing we did away with the horse and buggy, sure was hot back in 1880.
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And there was a lot more horseshit to clear up too.
As you all have guessed I really don't buy this Global Warming (or is it Global Cooling?...or Global Climate Change?) crap...especially after reading Michael Crichton's book "State of Fear" a few years back...a book that I can highly recommend on this subject.
Meteorologists can hardly forecast what the weather will be like over a five day period...how can these same scientists speak with any kind of credibility about the weather over a 50 to 100 year cycle? These are the same folk who predicted horrible hurricane seasons the past two years and we didn't have anything close that severe of a weather pattern. Historically climate is cyclical...and none of these 'scientists' can explain what caused the Medieval Warming Period or the subsequent Little Ice Age other than to claim that it was a "local" phenomenon without any contrary evidence(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medieval_Warm_Period). They report this as matter of fact (a localized phenomenon) but it is plain to see that because there is no empirical data (other than what can be documented in Europe) they cannot claim that it was NOT global in nature either. (And, yes, I know purists recoil in horror at a citation from Wikipedia...but I did anyway since I know the Auburn grads will appreciate it.)
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Reread what I said. I said you guys are the ones saying that anyone who DOES think there is SOME cause for concern are barking lunatics.
I prefer using the term "Barking Moonbats"; there's also a great conservative blog by that same name.
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Scientists?
Dammit guys, don't make me be the resident hippie just because I'm a right-leaning moderate, which makes me the farthest left here.
Nobody's making you do anything.
The point here is that global warming is not caused by man. This is why we see it as “Glow-Bull” warming. Nobody really refutes the idea that the earth is warming slightly, but logic and reason suggests that natural occurrences would be a better explanation for this phenomenon. Are we not still recovering from the last ice age? Has the planet not undergone several warming and cooling trends prior to the existence of man and their EVIL Industrial Age?
Where did your chart come from? NASA revised their warming estimates a while back which showed the trend to fall off resulting in a correction to the “hottest year on record.” Algore, Newsweek and every other Liberal media rag and outlet claimed that it was 1998. After the NASA correction, 1934 became the “hottest year on record.” Your chart doesn’t show this, which leads me to believe that you have false, pre-correction information. By the way, the global alarmists had also claimed that 5 of the 10 hottest years occurred in the last 10 years, but the NASA correction revised that number down to 3.
Finally, look at your own chart. If the rate of rise in global temperatures increased around the time of the Industrial Age, you and Algore might have a point by blaming man for the relatively insignificant rise in global temperatures, but there is no acceleration or even a notable increase in temperature rise as a reasonable person would expect. I mean seriously, if more people are driving cars every year, and more cars are being produced every year, and more energy is being generated every year, and more stuff is being created every year, and so on, wouldn’t a logical reflection of this increased activity be evident in an accelerated slope or gentle parabolic curve upward?
Download and read this for an interesting perspective on this argument... http://www.businessandmedia.org/specialreports/2006/fireandice/FireandIce.pdf
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Fucking hippie.
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More fun on the topic...
Court Identifies Eleven Inaccuracies in Al Gore’s ‘An Inconvenient Truth’
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2007/10/09/court-identifies-eleven-inaccuracies-al-gore-s-inconvenient-truth
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Let me post those right now. I don't want any of the hippies claiming they couldn't use the link cause it would inadvertently harm the environment or overly encumber the invention of Al Gore.
* The film claims that melting snows on Mount Kilimanjaro evidence global warming. The Government's expert was forced to concede that this is not correct.
* The film suggests that evidence from ice cores proves that rising CO2 causes temperature increases over 650,000 years. The Court found that the film was misleading: over that period the rises in CO2 lagged behind the temperature rises by 800-2000 years.
* The film uses emotive images of Hurricane Katrina and suggests that this has been caused by global warming. The Government's expert had to accept that it was "not possible" to attribute one-off events to global warming.
* The film shows the drying up of Lake Chad and claims that this was caused by global warming. The Government's expert had to accept that this was not the case.
* The film claims that a study showed that polar bears had drowned due to disappearing arctic ice. It turned out that Mr Gore had misread the study: in fact four polar bears drowned and this was because of a particularly violent storm.
* The film threatens that global warming could stop the Gulf Stream throwing Europe into an ice age: the Claimant's evidence was that this was a scientific impossibility.
* The film blames global warming for species losses including coral reef bleaching. The Government could not find any evidence to support this claim.
* The film suggests that the Greenland ice covering could melt causing sea levels to rise dangerously. The evidence is that Greenland will not melt for millennia.
* The film suggests that the Antarctic ice covering is melting, the evidence was that it is in fact increasing.
* The film suggests that sea levels could rise by 7m causing the displacement of millions of people. In fact the evidence is that sea levels are expected to rise by about 40cm over the next hundred years and that there is no such threat of massive migration.
* The film claims that rising sea levels has caused the evacuation of certain Pacific islands to New Zealand. The Government are unable to substantiate this and the Court observed that this appears to be a false claim.
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Another fun piece of information...
Mars Melt Hints at Solar, Not Human, Cause for Warming, Scientist Says
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/02/070228-mars-warming.html
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Here's what happens when the tree huggers decide we should be running our cars on biofuel. The cost of everything goes up exponentially.
http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Investing/SuperModels/CouldWeReallyRunOutOfFood.aspx
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Here's what happens when the tree huggers decide we should be running our cars on biofuel. The cost of everything goes up exponentially.
http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Investing/SuperModels/CouldWeReallyRunOutOfFood.aspx
THIS COULD AFFECT BEER PRICES!!!!???? THIS IS A REAL CRISIS!!!!
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Here's what happens when the tree huggers decide we should be running our cars on biofuel. The cost of everything goes up exponentially.
http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Investing/SuperModels/CouldWeReallyRunOutOfFood.aspx
The tree huggers won't be happy until we all start living in caves again and flinging our own dung at each other. The Demoncraps call that Progressive, but in reality, it's Regressive. It all started with Populism during the Industrial Age. Farmers who couldn't afford the new tractors, combines and other state-of-the-art equipment that came about during the Industrial Age looked to gub'ment to level the playing field for everyone, aka make it fair for the lowest common denominator. Populism later evolved into Progressivism, which is what Hillary Stalin Clinton likes to call herself, but it’s all about the same thing. Constrain and restrict the big guys, acheivers and winners, while boosting and nursing the little guy, losers and whiners. They use this environmental movement to place constraints and restrictions on the world's greatest acheivers (America) while allowing "developing nations" (China) to ignore them. It makes me sick...
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Here's what happens when the tree huggers decide we should be running our cars on biofuel. The cost of everything goes up exponentially.
http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Investing/SuperModels/CouldWeReallyRunOutOfFood.aspx
This is an interesting if timely commentary on this same subject by Walter Williams (sometimes fills in for Rush):
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/WalterEWilliams/2008/03/12/big_corn_and_ethanol_hoax
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OK, just one more of these for fun....
There IS a problem with global warming... it stopped in 1998
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2006/04/09/do0907.xml&sSheet=/news/2006/04/09/ixworld.html
Don't tell anybody. You might mess up Algore's money tree.
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This stuff just falls into your lap sometimes...
The Mystery of Global Warming's Missing Heat
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=88520025
It seems that "everybody" was "wrong again."
Some of this new information could very well put an end to this over-blown hysteria.
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Well, it looks like this thread had gone dead. Here are a few more graphs to review. The point here is that this modern enviro-mental movement is failing to look at all of the facts and tell the whole truth.
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Well, it looks like this thread had gone dead. Here are a few more graphs to review. The point here is that this modern enviro-mental movement is failing to look at all of the facts and tell the whole truth.
Contribute to entropy - do your part, light a fart
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See here GarMan; your facts on Global Warming are standing in the way of the truth; Antarctica IS melting:
Antarctic ice shelf 'hanging by a thread'
18:08 25 March 2008
NewScientist.com news service
Catherine Brahic
A thin strip of ice, just 6 kilometres wide, may be all that is holding back the collapse of a huge ice shelf in AntarcticaWatch the full-size video A narrow strip of ice is now bracing the remainder of the Wilkins ice sheet.A thin strip of ice, just 6 kilometres wide, is all that is holding back the collapse of a huge ice shelf in Antarctica, according to glaciologists.
The Wilkins ice shelf – previously some 16,000 square kilometres in area – has been disintegrating fast. On 28 February, an iceberg 41 km long and 2.5 km wide broke off the ice shelf. This triggered the runaway disintegration of a further 570 square kilometres of ice.
"I would be very surprised if it survives more than a couple more melt seasons," says Ted Scambos of the University of Colorado, US.
Other researchers, including David Vaughan of the British Antarctic Survey, believe it could be gone within weeks. "The ice shelf is hanging by a thread – we'll know in the next few days or weeks what its fate will be," he says.
'Narrow brace'
Although researchers agree the disintegration of the Wilkins ice shelf will not contribute to rising sea levels, they say it may help them understand what triggers such events in order to predict when they are likely to happen again.
"There now remains just a narrow beam of ice, roughly 6 km wide, which is bracing the rest of the shelf," says Scambos. "If that beam breaks up, about half of the ice shelf will probably very quickly break apart."
However Scambos says this is not likely to happen this year, as the southern winter is settling in.
The break up is already helping researchers understand what triggers the disintegration of ice sheets. They now know that waves generated by storms over the open ocean are just as important as air and water temperature.
No sea-level rise
"The waves travel thousands of kilometres and are long and gentle. They are able to flex and break an ice shelf," says Scambos.
Normally, a slurry of sea ice floating in front of the ice shelf would act as a wave breaker, keeping the surrounding waters still. But this year – as in 2002 when the Larsen B shelf dramatically disappeared in just 30 days – warm temperatures melted away much of the sea ice. The glaciologists believe this is what has caused the break up of the Wilkins ice shelf in recent weeks.
The Wilkins ice sheet is not connected to inland glaciers in the same way as Larsen B was. As a result, its collapse will not accelerate the flow of glaciers into the ocean, and so will not immediately cause a sea-level rise
Here's a link to the article:
http://environment.newscientist.com/article/dn13530-antarctic-ice-shelf-hanging-by-a-thread.html
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http://www.earthhourus.org/
Everyone make a point to turn on all of your lights, appliances, and electronics from 8-9pm to offset this stupid hippie shit.
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http://www.earthhourus.org/
Everyone make a point to turn on all of your lights, appliances, and electronics from 8-9pm to offset this stupid hippie shit.
There's a couple of billboards in Atlanta about this environmentalist bullshit...your suggestion is EXACTLY what I had in mind!
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I think I'm going to go turn my car on for an hour, and then crank up my lawnmower and just let it run. Next I'll turn on every light in the house, run the dishwasher, do a couple loads of laundry and nuke some food in the microwave. Then I'm going to take all the trash in my house and dump it into the river. I'll probably defecate in the river while I'm there.
Should be a good time.
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Good Ole Al Gore chimes in again. What a dick head
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/03/27/60minutes/main3974389.shtml
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Hey, don't you dare bad mouth the creator of these very intrawebs we are posting on right now. That man is a jeenyus I tell ya'.
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Hey, don't you dare bad mouth the creator of these very intrawebs we are posting on right now. That man is a jeenyus I tell ya'.
He's also the Emperor of the Moon and he's ridden the mighty moon worm!